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86208 13-MAR 13:25 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86193)
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From: MITHELEN To: RANDYKWILSON
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Yes.. I know I did have the swamped DSR-CTS hack working flawlessly before
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I changed the 6551. But one problem with that, is that hack then messed up
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using swamped DSR and DCD operation... I'm not an assembly programmer, nor
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do I play on on TV, so couldn't figure out that one...
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Paul
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86212 13-MAR 13:58 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86207)
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From: MITHELEN To: NEHOWARD
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To get the maximum possible throughput on a "moderm" modem, you need to set
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the port speed to 4 times (at least) that of the raw speed. This is because,
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for data compression to be effective between the modems, you have to be able
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to transfer it to/from the modem faster at each end, then the modems actually
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talking to each other.
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Paul
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86214 13-MAR 17:57 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86176)
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From: DSRTFOX To: NEHOWARD
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You should also be able to install another scsi47 driver set with different
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names and use another two drives. Chris Burke says that can be done with the
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CoCoXT drivers to support more than 2 drives (and CoCoXTs in that case), but
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the drawback is the memory two sets of drivers take up. Of course your
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situation would be temporary, so this should be acceptable- all you need to
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do is make a boot disk with the two sets of drivers/descriptors while doing
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the HD to HD backups.
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86223 13-MAR 19:39 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86212)
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From: DBREEDING To: MITHELEN
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> To get the maximum possible throughput on a "moderm" modem, you need to
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> set the port speed to 4 times (at least) that of the raw speed. This is
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That's what I was wondering about. My 2400 modem in V.42bis would supposedly
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be capable of nearly 9600. If I set my CoCo to 4800, the only thing will be
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that I won't get the speed the modem is capable of, isn't it? I don't think
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it will be able to handle 9600. I can tell a big difference in text coming
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across the screen @4800 vs 2400.
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-- David Breeding --
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86226 13-MAR 20:02 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86212)
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From: NEHOWARD To: MITHELEN
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That makes sense, otherwise the data compression would be rather useless
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with the port locked at the actual baud rate! Too bad the coco cant go
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above 19200! Then we could speed up things a tad.
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Nelson
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86227 13-MAR 20:07 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86214)
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From: NEHOWARD To: DSRTFOX
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I had thought about doing that. using dEd to 'rename' CCHDISK to somethine
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like 'CCBINKY' and having /h2 and /h3 look for 'CCBINKY' as the driver but
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yeah, that would take up a LOT more room. the drawback is that Ken Scales
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says the scsi47 drivers are 'hard coded' for only 2 drives. I wonder if that
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means 2 drives at any address or 2 drives starting with the begining address?
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If it is 2 at ANY address, then it could be done easily. If it is 2 drives
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starting at the begining address then I would have 2 drives addressed the
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same and may wind up with a real mess! Something to think about I guess.
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Nelson
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86232 14-MAR 00:47 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86092)
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From: DIETER To: CBJ
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> Ah but Dieter, you have modified your serial port. I am talking about an
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> unmodified pak and running NO patches such as powerboost or Nitros.
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> Carl
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Oh! I stand corrected... But way are You still using the unmodified port?
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You should also patch all Your memory modules, for better operation. All the
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patches are here on Delphi and some on CIS...
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Before I purchased the 63C09 and NitrOS-9, I still was able to use 9600 baud
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with my RS-232 port, I just had to replace the 6551 chip with the Rockwell
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65C51PE chip and add two Nano Caps, did not cost much at all... I recommend
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that change at least...
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Dieter
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86233 14-MAR 00:47 Telecom (6809)
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RE: SandV BBS (Re: Msg 86093)
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From: DIETER To: CBJ
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> Dieter,
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> Are you running a stock serial port and stock OS-9 with stock modules?
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> I think not.
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> Carl
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You are right! I'm NOT... But way are You still doing that? Most patches
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are on Delphi or CIS, and the cost to modify the TANDY RS-232 Deluxe pack is
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negligible, and the rest is cost free so to speek (on Delphi)...
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Dieter
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86234 14-MAR 00:49 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86167)
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From: AJMLFCO To: MARKGRIFFITH
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RE:86167
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Just to back up your observation that there is nothing wrong
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with the 6551 in most situations, I have many 6809 based
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industrial systems running 24hrs a day at 19.2kbaud that use
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the same chip. Most of them haven't been touched for several
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years. They are used in interfacing programmable logic
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controllers to a larger process control system. These sytems
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use dedicated software (no OS9 ), sor the 6809 is very
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adequate.
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Allen
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86236 14-MAR 01:14 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86121)
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From: RICKULAND To: NEHOWARD
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yes
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86239 14-MAR 01:36 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86123)
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From: RICKULAND To: MITHELEN
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Paul,
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Hehe- there are TONS of sneakiness with getting the 65c51 truely stable
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in a 6551a pak- it can be done...... blame the diode on the cart line
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or the 87 bazillion semi-good 65c51's out there..........
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I finally got these dogs working in my Mini-232, mainly by trial and
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error didoe swaps- the tiniest signal diode one can find is best- one that pops
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if you wave your hand over it is about right. Otherwise the cmos can't assert
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a hard irq, methinks. The diode is needed but unwanted.
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Ps- about to start stacking 16550's, if thats what it takes, to get CoCoIO
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out:-)
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-ricku
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86241 14-MAR 02:05 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86167)
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From: RICKULAND To: MARKGRIFFITH
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Yet another disagreement..... it's true the 6551 _shouldn't_ affect
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data thruput, put the CoCo's irq latencey is measured in days. Tripping
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this most convoluted path every byte has a bit to do with many problems-
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often what we are testing is how well the OTHER system can handle handshaking
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without dribbling a few chars or timing out.
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-ricku
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86243 14-MAR 07:34 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86189)
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From: MARKGRIFFITH To: MITHELEN
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Paul,
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> but, it sure as heck has a LOT to do with data integrity... which effect
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> throughput dramatically, when data constantly has to be resent.
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If you are having flow control problems, that is a different thing. If
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you don't need to hardware flow the chip, it works just fine at speeds up
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to 19.2kbaud. If your software was fast enough to receive data at 9600
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baud, you wouldn't need flow control.
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I seriously doubt that the chip causes any degradation in the serial
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stream. Too many programmers would like to blame their problems on
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faulty hardware or compiler errors when the problem is their code.
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86249 14-MAR 20:11 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86243)
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From: MITHELEN To: MARKGRIFFITH
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But, in the 6551's case, the chip IS at fault for faulty (or at least
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STUPID) handleing of a CTS transission... it stops transmission
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IMMEDIATELY, even within the middle of a byte, and if it is in the
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middle of a byte... if just throws out the rest of the bits! This IS
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documented, and thus the reason the new version was designed.
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Handshakeing is also necessary even if the transfer protocal is perfectly
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capable of keeping up on an unloaded system, because, not all system
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are always unloaded, and, on a CoCo, transmitting data bi-directionally
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AND doing anything else is overloading the available CPU power.
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Paul
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86252 14-MAR 20:24 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86232)
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From: BANANAMAN To: DIETER (NR)
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What were the two Nano Caps for?
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--Andy
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86269 15-MAR 07:27 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86234)
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From: MARKGRIFFITH To: AJMLFCO
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Allen,
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> Just to back up your observation that there is nothing wrong
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> with the 6551 in most situations, I have many 6809 based
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> industrial systems running 24hrs a day at 19.2kbaud that use
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> the same chip. Most of them haven't been touched for several
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> years. They are used in interfacing programmable logic
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> controllers to a larger process control system. These sytems
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> use dedicated software (no OS9 ), sor the 6809 is very
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> adequate.
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Thanks for your input. As you noted, the problem most people are
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experiencing is software related, maybe 50% of that due to the
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overhead of OS-9 (this is just a guess).
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86270 15-MAR 07:27 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86241)
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From: MARKGRIFFITH To: RICKULAND
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Rick,
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> Yet another disagreement..... it's true the 6551 _shouldn't_ affect
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> data thruput, put the CoCo's irq latencey is measured in days.
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Yeah, when you have the GIME doing the IRQ handling, you probably
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will have problems. Again, this has nothing to do with the 6551,
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but in the case, is a firmware problem.
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The classic fix for this is the hard-wire IRQ hack. I and many other
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people did this a long time ago and the IRQ problems vanished. I
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don't know about all these other hacks to various OS-9 kernals to get
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the same effect. Perhaps they don't work as well as one would expect.
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Also, there were problems with the original ACIAPAK drivers that many
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people have been trying to get around for some time judging by the
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number of drivers released over the years.
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The most sure fix for CoCo serial problems is 1) do the hardware IRQ hack
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and 2) get an ACIAPAK that works well, has a fairly large I/O buffer
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and uses the suspend state. Note that all these are not related to
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the 6551, but fixes for other problems.
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86278 15-MAR 21:27 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86227)
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From: DSRTFOX To: NEHOWARD
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I think what you described WILL work.... won't hurt to try, just crash the
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system! Shouldn't hurt the hard drives or info themselves, as long as you try a
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few reads before a write!
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86287 15-MAR 23:52 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86207)
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From: CBJ To: NEHOWARD
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It has to do with the data compression, etc. the faster the modem gets the
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data the more efficiently it can send it in compressed mode. The same goes
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with decompression.
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It seems the rule of thumb is the Comm port should be running at twicw the
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speed of the actual connection of the modems. If you are running a 9600
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baud modem with error correction and data compression enabled and your Comm
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port set at 9600 you will actually see a decrease in throughput. Makes
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sense when you think about it.
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Carl
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86288 15-MAR 23:55 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86232)
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From: CBJ To: DIETER (NR)
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But I said that the CoCo wasn't capable of 9600 baud as a stock system. If
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it is modified then it isn't stock. I didn't say it wasn't wise to modify it,
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just that in stock form it couldn't handle it. Best wishes,
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Carl
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86289 15-MAR 23:57 Telecom (6809)
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RE: SandV BBS (Re: Msg 86233)
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From: CBJ To: DIETER (NR)
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Actually I've tried the mods...they didn't work on my Comm 4 board. Paul
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Jerkatis can testify to that. I'll probably try them again now that I'll
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be having some free time soon.
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Carl
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86294 16-MAR 00:19 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86270)
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From: RICKULAND To: MARKGRIFFITH
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But Mark, it does. Not per se, indeed the newer 65c51 is awful
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decent for a single byte port, and the smarts in there are pretty cool.
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While the hard fix or the newer software fixes ensure they (irqs) are all
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handled, what I was driving at is the actual speed of the thing!
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They way babyOS9 operates, the LAST thing you want to do is trip
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the irq code every 10 bits. How long one can _prevent_ recept of data
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is not considered a feature here.
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-ricku
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86316 17-MAR 00:56 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86249)
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From: AJMLFCO To: MITHELEN
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But, the CTS problem is only applicable to data going
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OUT of the CoCo, right. This is a possible problem if
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1. The other device, such as a modem, is not able to
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keep up with the CoCo's output.
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2. The port is set up for hardware handshaking.
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3. The data stream is steady (not "bursty").
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It would seem that any problem would be less pronounced with
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a faster modem because it would be able to avoid the need to
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handshake with the CoCo. A smaller transmit buffer might
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be helpful, too.
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Allen
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86323 17-MAR 05:40 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86287)
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From: NEHOWARD To: CBJ (NR)
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Yeah, did some experimenting with my Supra 14.4K v4.2bis/MNP5 modem as of
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late and yup, works just like you said. If I disable ALL MNP and V4.2 commands
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in the modem profile, she handles speeds up to 14.4K on the BBS reliably, but
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if I enable MNP5/V4.2bis, the serial port seems to overflow and everything
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imaginable happens!!! I guess 19.2K just isnt fast enough speed to xmode /t2
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at to catch all of it!!!
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Nelson
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86324 17-MAR 06:58 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86249)
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From: MARKGRIFFITH To: MITHELEN
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Paul,
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> But, in the 6551's case, the chip IS at fault for faulty (or at least
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> STUPID) handleing of a CTS transission.
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Now we're talking about something completly different. Like I said, I
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don't doubt that the 6551 has some problems, but not being able to
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handle data at 9600 bps is NOT one of them. That was your original
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statement.
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86325 17-MAR 09:45 Telecom (6809)
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RE: 9600 on a CoCo... (Re: Msg 86324)
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From: MITHELEN To: MARKGRIFFITH (NR)
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No Mark, that was NOT my original statement... The original statement was
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that using Stock OS-9 level 2, and a stock RS-232 pack, with standard 6551
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ACIA, your could not get reliable 9600 baud comunications. And this is what
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this whole thread has been about. I stand by this statement, because it
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is 100% truthful and fact... To argue this point any further is a complete
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waste time...
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86209 13-MAR 13:42 General Information
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RE: Hello All... (Re: Msg 86201)
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From: MITHELEN To: DBREEDING
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The GIME toggle clock modules (clock ED#9) eliminates the need for a hot
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wired IRQ line to the CPU. If you have more then one device generating
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IRQ's in the MPI, then you need to strap the line 8's together on those
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slots to slot 1.
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Paul
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86222 13-MAR 19:38 General Information
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RE: Hello All... (Re: Msg 86209)
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From: DBREEDING To: MITHELEN
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> The GIME toggle clock modules (clock ED#9) eliminates the need for a hot
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> wired IRQ line to the CPU. If you have more then one device generating
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> IRQ's in the MPI, then you need to strap the line 8's together on those
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Thanks, I thought maybe so... I may hook up my MPI and give it a try. I
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suppose then I will be able to use the hardware flow control? I'm currently
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using IX for my message stuff here and on CI$, and OSTerm for my other
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stuff. SACIA will handle all the RTS/CTS stuff? The sacia I have came
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from esw110.ar, got it yesterday(?), I suppose this is current, are there any
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patches for it?
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Buncha Q's, eh?
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-- David Breeding --
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86247 14-MAR 19:54 General Information
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RE: Hello All... (Re: Msg 86222)
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From: MITHELEN To: DBREEDING (NR)
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Yes... SAcia will do the hardware handshakeing... There are a few patches
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that allow more reliable operation at highspeed in the database (look
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for the most recent, which should also contain al lthe pervious
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patches) a "search sacia" in the system mods (or is it telcom) database
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SHOULD find the patches... although, don't flogg me if it doesn't 8-)
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Paul
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86255 14-MAR 21:52 General Information
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RE: Hello All... (Re: Msg 86247)
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From: RANDYKWILSON To: MITHELEN
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As far as I can tell, the only SAcia patches in the db are the ones I included
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with SuperComm 2.2. One of these days I'm going to have to chase down Bruce
|
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and see about permission to upload my SAcia mule (all patches plus some
|
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enhanced syscalls).
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Randy
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-*-
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86262 15-MAR 00:10 General Information
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RE: Hello All... (Re: Msg 86255)
|
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From: MITHELEN To: RANDYKWILSON
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|
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I thought I uploaded my modified patches, that had the CTS/'DSR hack in them.
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also... I'll have to do a search for them...
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--
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Paul
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-*-
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86264 15-MAR 00:20 General Information
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RE: Hello All... (Re: Msg 86262)
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From: MITHELEN To: RANDYKWILSON
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|
|
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Hmm.. I guess you were right... I didn't upload my patches to SAcia to here.
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Probably cause I couldn't get ahold of Bruce fro permission...
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-*-
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86275 15-MAR 20:30 General Information
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|
RE: Hello All... (Re: Msg 86264)
|
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From: THETAURUS To: MITHELEN
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|
|
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Does Bruce even exist in the OS9 world anymore, or has he gone on to other
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things, like many others have?
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|
>Chris<
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-*-
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86285 15-MAR 23:48 General Information
|
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RE: Hello All... (Re: Msg 86275)
|
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From: MITHELEN To: THETAURUS
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I havbe no idea...
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-*-
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86319 17-MAR 01:30 General Information
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RE: Hello All... (Re: Msg 86255)
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From: DSPICER To: RANDYKWILSON (NR)
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|
|
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Theres no law against an .ipc with your changes for Sacia is there?
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[Access CoCo of L.A.(Lower Alabama) (205)598-2100 Fido: 1:18/75]
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-*-
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End of Thread.
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-*-
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86210 13-MAR 13:47 General Information
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|
RE: MM1 & SCSI (Re: Msg 86205)
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: NIMITZ
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|
|
|
And, there is the hardware repair that will allow use oif the 4 meg
|
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simms on the I/O board, for those that are skilled in hardware hacking
|
|
(or they can have someone do it for them for a price)
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|
I recently (this week) did the hack on my MM/1 and the extra memory
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|
is a nice thing to have.
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|
Dave, are you offering this hack as an alternitive to the 8 meg
|
|
backplane?
|
|
--
|
|
Paul
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|
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-*-
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|
86217 13-MAR 18:27 General Information
|
|
RE: MM1 & SCSI (Re: Msg 86210)
|
|
From: NIMITZ To: MITHELEN
|
|
|
|
Actually, Kevin Pease and Mark Griffith are still offering that upgrade.
|
|
I do not offer the upgrade, nor will I warrant upgraded boards (moot point for
|
|
now, as my first system won't ship until late this month, or early next month.
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|
|
|
) I offer the 8 meg card because it is the ONLY way to allow eventual 10 meg
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|
RAM for an MM/1. And because if offers no risk to the I/O board if properly
|
|
installed and easier installation.
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|
|
|
David
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|
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|
-*-
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|
End of Thread.
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-*-
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86211 13-MAR 13:51 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: Telecom (Re: Msg 86206)
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: NEHOWARD
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|
|
|
you need to use the "xmode" command that came with sacia.. and then:
|
|
xmode /Tx xtp=?p
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|
|
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where TX is the port,and "?p" is the number of pages of RAM to use as
|
|
buffer space (0-F, with the same high nibble that was there before)
|
|
A typical example is:
|
|
xmode /T2 xtp=04
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|
|
|
for setting a 1024 byte receive buffer on /T2.
|
|
--
|
|
Paul
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|
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|
-*-
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|
|
86219 13-MAR 18:52 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: Telecom (Re: Msg 86196)
|
|
From: JWILKERSON To: DENNYWRIGHT
|
|
|
|
You must use the upgraded Xmode. Not the stock one to change the Sacia
|
|
buffer.
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|
|
Seeya
|
|
-- John
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-*-
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86225 13-MAR 20:00 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: Telecom (Re: Msg 86211)
|
|
From: NEHOWARD To: MITHELEN
|
|
|
|
OK, I can live with that as I dont remember exactly how it is done! It's
|
|
been too long! If that is the case, what size buffer do I have set if I
|
|
have my /t2 xmoded to xtp=85??? That is where I run mine at and the system
|
|
works great. Just curious.
|
|
Nelson
|
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|
-*-
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|
86248 14-MAR 20:02 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: Telecom (Re: Msg 86225)
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: NEHOWARD
|
|
|
|
That would be a 1280 byte buffer... I cant recall what the "8x" part does.
|
|
is that for setting swamped DSR/DCD operation... It has been a LONG time
|
|
since I used a CoCo...
|
|
--
|
|
Paul
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-*-
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|
86272 15-MAR 18:14 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: Telecom (Re: Msg 86248)
|
|
From: DENNYWRIGHT To: MITHELEN
|
|
|
|
How do you set the buffer in Sacia? I also use T2 Sacia combo and have xtp=85
|
|
set in T2. But I have no idea how to set the buffer in sacia.
|
|
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|
-*-
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86284 15-MAR 23:47 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: Telecom (Re: Msg 86272)
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: DENNYWRIGHT
|
|
|
|
The buffer is set in the Descriptor (/T2) not the driver (Sacia)... You
|
|
set the buffer size by using the new xmode that came with SAcia, and changeing
|
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the low nibble of the xtp byte to the number of 256 byte pages of system
|
|
RAM to use as buffer space... so.. your xtp=85 means you have 5 pages, or 1280
|
|
bytes... I can't remember off hand what the hight nibble of xtp does... chack
|
|
the manual/doc file that came with SAcia... it is ALL explaind there...
|
|
--
|
|
Paul
|
|
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|
-*-
|
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|
|
86299 16-MAR 18:11 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: Telecom (Re: Msg 86284)
|
|
From: DENNYWRIGHT To: MITHELEN
|
|
|
|
Thanks! I found the problem though. I just started replacing modules with
|
|
differant crc's from the boot that worked but was buggy and found I was using
|
|
the old stock clock module. I replaced it with the latest version and whoait
|
|
works fine again! Thanks an
|
|
yway!
|
|
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|
-*-
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|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
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|
-*-
|
|
|
|
86213 13-MAR 17:52 General Information
|
|
RE: os9 under (Re: Msg 86155)
|
|
From: DSRTFOX To: BROWN80
|
|
|
|
"ZOGSTER" here is one of Alan's regular writers, bye the way. He usually
|
|
handles E-mail and can pass things along if need be.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
86257 14-MAR 23:16 General Information
|
|
RE: os9 under (Re: Msg 86145)
|
|
From: TMF To: BROWN80
|
|
|
|
THANKS FOR THE INFO I DID NOT SEE THE MESSAGE CONCERNING THE EARTHQUAKE
|
|
DELAY.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
86215 13-MAR 18:10 General Information
|
|
RE: Unix System V problem (Re: Msg 86166)
|
|
From: DSRTFOX To: ALWAGNER (NR)
|
|
|
|
No, it's not discouraging at all! I'm not the admin here either, just an
|
|
operator (and handle 90% of maintenance also!). Good thing is I pretty much
|
|
have the system to myself over weekends and from 7:00pm in the evenings to
|
|
about 6:00am. I just published a backup schedule and for that time the
|
|
system is MINE! If I want or need to reset it, I do! Actually, we reset ours
|
|
about once every two weeks anyway- not for maintenance per-se, btu usually
|
|
because we've made some configuration change, and a new boot list has to be
|
|
made every time something is moved around. With 240 odd terminals, 50 odd
|
|
printers, and another 40 or so remote users (either dedicated phone line or
|
|
dial-up), things change occasionally! If I haven't reset the system in a couple
|
|
weeks, I do it anyway one night the backups go kind of fast.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
86216 13-MAR 18:19 General Information
|
|
RE: Size of RAM disk (Re: Msg 86188)
|
|
From: FHOGG To: BRIANGOERS
|
|
|
|
Use dmode to change the size of sectors per track (I think that is the one)
|
|
Anyway after changinf deiniz and iniz /r0. Play with the values till you get
|
|
what you want.
|
|
|
|
Frank
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
86218 13-MAR 18:39 General Information
|
|
RE: Size of RAM disk (Re: Msg 86203)
|
|
From: JES68K To: BRIANGOERS
|
|
|
|
An even more direct method of changing the ramdisk size, is by using MODED
|
|
the Module Editor ..... with it you can editor any module directly, even
|
|
os9Boot. Look in your manual and read up on MODED ... its easy to use and
|
|
once you have finished editing, nothing else need be done, quick and easy.
|
|
|
|
I like it much better than using DMODE or reassembling from assembly source
|
|
code and using os9gen, etc.
|
|
|
|
=== Jesse ===
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
86220 13-MAR 18:55 General Information
|
|
CoCo2 Emulator runs Level One OS9
|
|
From: JES68K To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Okay, folks ------ the CoCo2 Emulator Rev 1.3 now runs Level One OS9 as
|
|
per the author's latest efforts at improving this MS-DOS program that
|
|
supports our favorite machine, the Color Computer 2, actually one of our
|
|
favorite machines. The author states that he may code up an Emulator for
|
|
the CoCo-3 (in the future when he has more time), especially if it were
|
|
a commercial program (maybe $25 or so).
|
|
|
|
This is hot off Internet! Enjoy!
|
|
|
|
For more support of emulator type programs, access ACS BBS in Atlanta
|
|
at (404)636-2991 .... our new 1Gig hard drive is looking for many new
|
|
programs for our users to enjoy.
|
|
|
|
Filename is COCO2-13.ZIP when it appears in NEW UPLOADS.
|
|
|
|
=== Jesse ===
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
86293 16-MAR 00:02 General Information
|
|
RE: CoCo2 Emulator runs Level One OS9 (Re: Msg 86220)
|
|
From: CBJ To: JES68K
|
|
|
|
You may quote me as saying I'd be willing to buy a CoCo3 emulator if it will
|
|
run OS-9 level2! $25.00 is more than reasonable.
|
|
Carl
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
86305 16-MAR 20:50 General Information
|
|
RE: CoCo2 Emulator runs Level One OS9 (Re: Msg 86293)
|
|
From: DSRTFOX To: JES68K (NR)
|
|
|
|
Jesse, he can get at least $50... my $25 along with Carls!
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
86318 17-MAR 01:10 General Information
|
|
RE: CoCo2 Emulator runs Level One OS9 (Re: Msg 86305)
|
|
From: ILLUSIONIST To: DSRTFOX (NR)
|
|
|
|
Agreed, count me in for anyother $25 (In fact, if it was made, that might
|
|
just be the thing to push me over the edge and to buy a 486dx2, I dunno
|
|
if it would work, (might be a bit TOO much) but how about OS-9000
|
|
DOS emulation, running OS-9 Level 2? or OS/2 DOS emulation running OS-9
|
|
Level 2.
|
|
|
|
:) My dream system for the hardware + $125 ($100 for OS/2 and $25 for
|
|
the CoCo)
|
|
|
|
Yeah, if a coco 3 emulator that ran OS-9 Level 2 (though I bet some
|
|
patches wouldnt work, if the patch requires a special hardware mod..)
|
|
were available..I dont think there would be a heck of alot to stop me
|
|
from buying a top-of-the-line PC. Except maybe a PowerPC running, well
|
|
everything :)
|
|
|
|
<- In quest of the Holy Grail of Computer -> -* Mike
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
86221 13-MAR 19:06 General Information
|
|
RE: The Future (Re: Msg 85827)
|
|
From: TOMFANN To: TEDJAEGER
|
|
|
|
What happened to MVSystems? I bought some stuff from them a few years ago.
|
|
|
|
..Tom Fann
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
86306 16-MAR 21:19 General Information
|
|
RE: The Future (Re: Msg 86221)
|
|
From: TEDJAEGER To: TOMFANN (NR)
|
|
|
|
MVSystems sold both OS9 Level II and MSDOS products when I licensed
|
|
DeskTamer to them. Sales of MSDOS products were going better and the
|
|
cost of the Rainbow ad was not being returned in sales. I would
|
|
guess that MVSystems still exists (I'd call the phone number from the
|
|
Rainbow ads if interested in a product) but Mike Woolley and I
|
|
discontinued the DeskTamer arrangement as he was quitting advertising.
|
|
|
|
Bests
|
|
---TedJaeger
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
End of Thread.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
86224 13-MAR 19:57 Programmers Den
|
|
RE: print formatter (Re: Msg 85931)
|
|
From: TOMFANN To: MDALENE
|
|
|
|
VPRINT from Bob van der Poel does proportional printing, if that is what you
|
|
want.
|
|
|
|
..Tom Fann
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
86228 13-MAR 20:15 Applications (6809)
|
|
RE: TSEDIT? (Re: Msg 85843)
|
|
From: TOMFANN To: KEITHJABBOTT (NR)
|
|
|
|
The best word processing program under RS-DOS is Telewriter 128, but its
|
|
distributor, Cognitec, seems to have disappeared. It is both powerful and
|
|
very easy to use. If you can find someone willing to sell his copy, buy it.
|
|
|
|
The next best under RS-DOS is Simply Better, available from Rick's Computer
|
|
Enterprise at (606) 787-5783.
|
|
|
|
Under OS9, the best (again, IMHO) is VED and VPRINT from Bob van der Poel in
|
|
Canada at (604) 866-5772. It is very similar to Telewriter, and you have all
|
|
the advantages of OS9.
|
|
|
|
Max-10 is a WYSIWYG word processor (mouse-based) under RS-DOS, available from
|
|
Alpha Products in Connecticut at (203) 656-1806. The advantage to this one is
|
|
that it is like a desktop publishing program, meaning there are a lot of
|
|
different fonts available for it. You could use it to make your own newspaper.
|
|
You are limited to the fonts in your printer with the other ones. It is
|
|
also easy to use; my 14-year-old daughter uses it all the time.
|
|
|
|
Any of the above put SCRIPSIT to shame. I know - I started with Color
|
|
SCRIPSIT.
|
|
|
|
..Tom Fann
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
86229 13-MAR 20:26 Applications (6809)
|
|
RE: TSEDIT? (Re: Msg 85871)
|
|
From: TOMFANN To: DSRTFOX
|
|
|
|
Word Power is still available from Microcom Software, the very same people
|
|
who used to advertise in The Rainbow. It is in no way "orphanware". I
|
|
talked to them on the phone last weekend and informed MRUPGRADE that he
|
|
should not consider it "orphanware". Just because a vendor no longer
|
|
advertises does not mean he is out of business. All you have to do to check
|
|
is pick up the phone. Unfortunately, the last known number for Cognitec
|
|
(Telewriter) "has been disconnected".
|
|
|
|
BTW, CoCo Max III and Max-10 are still available from Alpha Products
|
|
(Colorware), as they have been for years. MRUPGRADE was informed of this also.
|
|
Someone
|
|
told him these products are "orphanware". Not true.
|
|
|
|
..Tom Fann
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
86237 14-MAR 01:19 Applications (6809)
|
|
RE: TSEDIT? (Re: Msg 85871)
|
|
From: MRUPGRADE To: DSRTFOX
|
|
|
|
As Tom says,,, you may be able to find MAX-10, Word Power etc. (Rick does
|
|
carry Simply Better),, if youo dig deep enouhh,, nad have enough past years
|
|
magazines to dig through.
|
|
However,, to satisfy Tom Fann,, I've looked in some of my system buys, disk
|
|
files (I usually take all disks with). And have several "Original Coppies
|
|
each". Since I don't place a high value on used software,, I7ll just put
|
|
'em in the library.
|
|
Is that OK with you TOM?
|
|
they are original disks.
|
|
However this is not a general for sale thing (no EMAIL please). It is
|
|
a club listing for members (and (smile) Tom).
|
|
Thanks for the plug Frank.
|
|
Til then,,, Terry Simons
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
86242 14-MAR 02:26 Applications (6809)
|
|
RE: TSEDIT? (Re: Msg 86229)
|
|
From: RICKULAND To: TOMFANN
|
|
|
|
I also have a problem with this. It seems almost any program older
|
|
than six months is considered orpahned...... EVEN IF THEY ARE, copyrights
|
|
run close to a hundred years nowadays. Honest vendors pay good money for
|
|
old copies of this stuff, only to find it 'sold' for $9.95 as 'orphanware'
|
|
We will sone have some true orphans- with MI&CCC the last purveyour
|
|
of CoCo software.
|
|
-ricku
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
86254 14-MAR 20:38 Applications (6809)
|
|
RE: TSEDIT? (Re: Msg 86228)
|
|
From: COLORSYSTEMS To: TOMFANN
|
|
|
|
> The best word processing program under RS-DOS is Telewriter 128, but its
|
|
> distributor, Cognitec, seems to have disappeared. It is both powerful
|
|
> and very easy to use. If you can find someone willing to sell his copy,
|
|
> buy it.
|
|
|
|
> Under OS9, the best (again, IMHO) is VED and VPRINT from Bob van der Poel
|
|
> in Canada at (604) 866-5772. It is very similar to Telewriter, and you
|
|
> have all the advantages of OS9.
|
|
|
|
There's a darn good reason why VED/VPrint are similar to TW-128. While TW-128
|
|
was marketed by Cognitec, it was written by Bob van der Poel!!!
|
|
|
|
------------------------------------
|
|
Zack C Sessions
|
|
|
|
"Always in motion is the future." - Yoda
|
|
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
86268 15-MAR 01:14 Applications (6809)
|
|
RE: TSEDIT? (Re: Msg 86254)
|
|
From: RICKULAND To: COLORSYSTEMS
|
|
|
|
Bob has made a carrier(sic) out of Motorola test whackers, hasn't he?
|
|
Long live vdp!
|
|
-ricku
|
|
"Always in motion is the past." - Clinton
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
86279 15-MAR 21:30 Applications (6809)
|
|
RE: TSEDIT? (Re: Msg 86242)
|
|
From: DSRTFOX To: RICKULAND
|
|
|
|
I don't have a problem with orphanware in concept... but one DOES need to
|
|
be responsible in searching out those who no longer support a program. And I'd
|
|
say wait a reasonable time before accepting anything as "orphaned" ... say at
|
|
least three years. But that pretty much leaves most CoCo stuff open, doesn't it?
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
86295 16-MAR 00:35 Applications (6809)
|
|
RE: TSEDIT? (Re: Msg 86279)
|
|
From: RICKULAND To: DSRTFOX
|
|
|
|
Actually, no. The law unfortunately doesn't allow reasonability. Any je
|
|
rk
|
|
with $100 and a winning
|
|
smile might assume some copyright- not because the work involved is inherently
|
|
valuable, but to establisha legal point. There is no such thing as
|
|
orpahware...... hmmmm, neat
|
|
typo- The men who duplicate software and the women who love them, next on Oprah!
|
|
|
|
-ricku
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
|
|
|
86303 16-MAR 20:44 Applications (6809)
|
|
RE: TSEDIT? (Re: Msg 86295)
|
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From: DSRTFOX To: RICKULAND (NR)
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I understand the possible legal implications, but in order to sue for damages,
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one has to establish that sales were lost and damages incurred. Now, that would
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be hard to do since the software hasn't been marketed for years! About the
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only thing someone could do in this case would be to stop the distribution of
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the software. I understand the copyright laws enough, I actually have on fully
|
|
registered copyright under the old laws (circa 1983... they were changed
|
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around 1989 to the current standard where anyone puting a copyright notice on
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an item is protected). I also talked with a lawyer about this.... unless
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damages can be proven, you couldn't even get your legal fees back!
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86307 16-MAR 21:32 Applications (6809)
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RE: TSEDIT? (Re: Msg 86303)
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From: BANANAMAN To: DSRTFOX (NR)
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Just as a point, though. Just because you couldn't win a court case doesn't
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mean it's legal. It just means you couldn't prove it.
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--Anyd
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(ooops) --Andy
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End of Thread.
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86230 13-MAR 22:43 General Information
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New GIME
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From: NEALSTEWARD To: ALL
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I'm back after suffering from all sorts of strange bugs and crashes. It
|
|
turns out that my old GIME gave out on me. New ones are available from
|
|
Radio Shack Consumer Mail. The part number is MX-0992 and the cost is
|
|
a steep $34.17 + $2.00 shipping + tax. Almost 40 bucks later, my coco3
|
|
is alive and well. I can even run Gshell with my 2 megs, which wouldn't
|
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work before. It's like getting a new machine.
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86231 14-MAR 00:18 General Information
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RE: DISTO Products running Low. (Re: Msg 86073)
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From: AJMLFCO To: DBREEDING (NR)
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The 4n1 and a RS232 pak will both run on a short piece of ribbon cable.
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I use my RS232 pak for /t2 with RTS/CTS etc. and use the
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Disto 4n1 serial port for /t3. Sacia will run'm both just fine
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without a multipak.!
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Allen
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86235 14-MAR 00:53 Applications (6809)
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hamradio
|
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From: K4OP To: ALL
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a
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Are there any os9 programs to use for ham radio uses?
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If so where are they located? Bruce K4OP
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86258 14-MAR 23:35 Applications (6809)
|
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RE: hamradio (Re: Msg 86235)
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From: WA2EGP To: K4OP (NR)
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|
|
Contact Bob Billson (if you have internet access - bob@kc2wz.bubble.org) for
|
|
a satellite tracking program. I've also seem a morse code program (for the
|
|
CoCo) that will take a string characters and beep them out. It does grab the
|
|
machine completely though. That one might be in the database but I don't
|
|
know since a friend gave it to me before I got on Delphi. There is also a
|
|
packet BBS program but that is for a 68020. There may be other stuff but I
|
|
haven't seen it. Bob
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86261 14-MAR 23:45 Applications (6809)
|
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RE: hamradio (Re: Msg 86235)
|
|
From: WA2EGP To: K4OP (NR)
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|
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The morse program is in the database under applications.
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86277 15-MAR 21:25 Applications (6809)
|
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RE: hamradio (Re: Msg 86261)
|
|
From: DSRTFOX To: K4OP (NR)
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|
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Dynamic Electronics has several HAM programs, including a keyer. Don't have
|
|
an address of phone # handy right now, drop me E-mail ....
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86286 15-MAR 23:50 Applications (6809)
|
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RE: hamradio (Re: Msg 86277)
|
|
From: MRUPGRADE To: DSRTFOX
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|
Check any (grin) recent UPGRADE magazine Frank. we carry a full listing
|
|
and yes their HAM is said to be of theh Best on CoCo. If youo don't find
|
|
it,, I7ll leave it next time I'm on line.
|
|
Til then,,, Terry Simons
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End of Thread.
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86238 14-MAR 01:21 Games & Graphics
|
|
RE: new user hard drive (Re: Msg 86132)
|
|
From: RICKULAND To: TAULBORG
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|
|
|
This is a real slow relpy, do to various things. Perhaps I can help you out
|
|
after building a zillion BBXT boot's it's likely I have one here- or almost
|
|
one, at worst. Drop me a line with in mail if you are still stuck.
|
|
-ricku
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86311 16-MAR 23:46 Games & Graphics
|
|
RE: new user hard drive (Re: Msg 86238)
|
|
From: TAULBORG To: RICKULAND (NR)
|
|
|
|
With help I have been able to get a simple boot going but I can't seem
|
|
to run king's quest and leisure suit larry and I am haveing probs with
|
|
supercomm!!! They all worked fine before and now with the new boot they
|
|
don't seem to work.I also can't get the help message system to work.
|
|
I have bought many coco's along with thier software over the years and
|
|
have ammassed a large pile of EVERYTHING almost.according to the local
|
|
os9 people I have to put more stuff in my boot file but I have looked
|
|
at evrything and most if not all of everything I need is there!
|
|
I really don't know what to do with all the files but they are there
|
|
and I just can't get them to work the way they are supposed to!!!!!
|
|
I am haveing no problem with the RSDOS part of my hard drive but I
|
|
really need a lot of help with the OS9 part.
|
|
I need to learn how to download files and what to do with them.
|
|
But before then i have to get supercomm to work again.
|
|
I also need to know how to add stuff to my boot file so that I can
|
|
get all this stuff to run off my hard drive!I would also like ANY info
|
|
on the XT-Rom because it would be neat to turn my coco on and get OS9
|
|
straight from the hard drive.I am really new at OS9 so please give
|
|
detailed info if you can give me any info,any questions asked will be
|
|
answered so help me if you can!!!!
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86314 17-MAR 00:24 Games & Graphics
|
|
RE: new user hard drive (Re: Msg 86311)
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: TAULBORG (NR)
|
|
|
|
SuperComm v2.2, and KQ3/LSL all have one thing in common. They all use
|
|
virtual IRQs. There was a problem with the original issue OS-9 that affected
|
|
VIRQs. The easiest way to fix it is to use the INIT module from Fight Sim 2,
|
|
or just patch your existing init from 0F to 0C at offset 000C.
|
|
Tis late here, I'll give you more detailed info tomorrow, if someone doesn't
|
|
beat me to it.
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|
|
Randy
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End of Thread.
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|
86240 14-MAR 01:57 Telecom (6809)
|
|
BBS
|
|
From: REVWCP To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Dear Friends:
|
|
Does anyone have a phone # for the Motorola BBS?
|
|
With all best wishes,
|
|
Brother Jeremy, CSJW
|
|
OS9 User's Group Treasurer
|
|
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86313 17-MAR 00:20 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: BBS (Re: Msg 86240)
|
|
From: JAYODER To: REVWCP (NR)
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|
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|
|
>Dear Friends:
|
|
>Does anyone have a phone # for the Motorola BBS?
|
|
>With all best wishes,
|
|
>Brother Jeremy, CSJW
|
|
>OS9 User's Group Treasurer
|
|
|
|
Jeremy,
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|
|
In my Motorola apps. guide for the M68HC705 microcontroller
|
|
their freeware BBS# is (512)891-3733. Use 8N1 at 1200/2400
|
|
baud.
|
|
|
|
I have used this BBS often, there is lots and lots of
|
|
stuff!
|
|
|
|
Jeff Yoder
|
|
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|
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|
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|
End of Thread.
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-*-
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|
86244 14-MAR 07:34 Programmers Den
|
|
RE: What is the latest g++ version (Re: Msg 86178)
|
|
From: MARKGRIFFITH To: RHELLER
|
|
|
|
|
|
> >> latest version 2.5.5
|
|
> Is g++ or gcc? On chestnut it *looks* like just gcc, not g++.
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|
|
|
It is my understanding that the 2xx series of gcc included C++ support.
|
|
But don't quote me on that.....I've never tried it.
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|
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|
|
/*********** /\/\ark *************/
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|
|
|
(Upload with InfoXpress Ver. 1.01)
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|
86246 14-MAR 19:22 Programmers Den
|
|
RE: What is the latest g++ version (Re: Msg 86244)
|
|
From: RHELLER To: MARKGRIFFITH
|
|
|
|
The archive on chesnut is 2.5.6 and does not contain a cc1plus file, just gcc2
|
|
cc2, cccp2, and the library and a couple of header files. gcc is the driver,
|
|
cc1 (2?) is the C compiler and cccp is the pre-processor. cc1plus (if it would
|
|
be there) is the C++ compiler.
|
|
|
|
Robert
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|
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|
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|
|
End of Thread.
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|
-*-
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|
|
86245 14-MAR 08:19 General Information
|
|
MM/1A Mouse Sanctification
|
|
From: BOISY To: ALL
|
|
|
|
After twiddling a bit with the msdrv disassembled code, I now have a source
|
|
code file which will assemble into either a mouse systems module *or*
|
|
a Microsoft/Logitech module.
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|
|
|
Just to be sure it worked, I went out and purchased the same Logitech
|
|
TrackMan I did a week ago, hooked it up and now it works fine! All
|
|
three buttons now function properly and the mouse cursor moves gracefully.
|
|
|
|
I've forwarded my changes to others for integration, so these modules
|
|
should be available soon.
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|
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|
-*-
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|
86250 14-MAR 20:13 General Information
|
|
PC6300
|
|
From: REVWCP To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Dear Friends:
|
|
Does anyone know what sort of CPU is in an AT & T
|
|
PC6300. I have a chance to get one. It has an
|
|
ST-225 and a 5-1/4 floppy so those alone would be
|
|
worth it.
|
|
|
|
With all best wishes,
|
|
Brother Jeremy, CSJW
|
|
OS9 User's Group Treasurer
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
86253 14-MAR 20:28 General Information
|
|
RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86250)
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: REVWCP
|
|
|
|
Humm, seems I've got one of those bieasties at work & I think its got
|
|
a 68008 in it. Runs unix, BSD4.2 I think, never been able to get into it
|
|
due to unix's overblown security. No need to really, I just call NCR/ATT
|
|
when it goes kaflooey, which it does quite regularly, usually due to a
|
|
flaky power supply or blown modem. It runs our CBS message system, receiving
|
|
data over a tletext (teletext) stream in the vertical interval, helps to
|
|
edit our replies, and modems them back to CBS. I'ts been pretty good since
|
|
I told them to either fix it or get that firetrap outta my building! I got
|
|
sick of smelling smoke all the time 'cause the techs couldn'tmber to
|
|
loop the ps wires back outta the fan blades. Its put together sorta weird
|
|
as you know. That hump that holds up the greennie screen is the power
|
|
supply, and so far no two motherboards or power supplies have come out of
|
|
stock with compatible connectors, always a jury rig of some kind. /send nimitz
|
|
hi yerself
|
|
Got mail from nimitz better go. Cheers, Gene
|
|
|
|
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|
86256 14-MAR 21:55 General Information
|
|
RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86253)
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: WDTV5
|
|
|
|
I would be highly surprised in a AT&T computer ran BSD unix. :>
|
|
|
|
Randy
|
|
|
|
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|
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|
|
86259 14-MAR 23:40 General Information
|
|
RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86250)
|
|
From: WA2EGP To: REVWCP
|
|
|
|
I believe it is an 8088. My wife has one home but it has been a while since
|
|
I looked inside. A 6300 is just their XT. Don't confuse it with a 7300 which
|
|
is a UNIX machine (68010).
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|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
|
86260 14-MAR 23:44 General Information
|
|
RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86256)
|
|
From: WA2EGP To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
I'd be surprised if a 6300 ran UNIX since it is their version of an XT.
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
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|
|
86263 15-MAR 00:15 General Information
|
|
RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86259)
|
|
From: RANDYKWILSON To: WA2EGP
|
|
|
|
Bob, I have no idea what a 6300 is. I was refering to the fact that AT&T
|
|
wrote and owned unix (until recently). I would doubt that any of their
|
|
machines would come with the BSD clone. :>
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
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|
|
86265 15-MAR 00:58 General Information
|
|
RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86253)
|
|
From: LMCCLURE To: WDTV5
|
|
|
|
|
|
"Humm, seems I've got one of those bieasties at work & I
|
|
think its got a 68008 in it. Runs unix, BSD4.2 I think, "
|
|
|
|
I think you may want to check the plate for the model number. The 6300 was
|
|
part of AT&T's Intel-based PC series. My May 1985issue of BYTE (which has
|
|
the machine you refer to on the cover), simply refers to it as "The AT&T
|
|
Unix PC", but I believe it also was known as the 7300.
|
|
|
|
BTW, the CPU is a 10Mhz 68010.
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|
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|
|
86266 15-MAR 01:01 General Information
|
|
RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86256)
|
|
From: LMCCLURE To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
According to BYTE, the AT&T Unix PC originally shipped with Unix System 5,
|
|
revision 2.
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|
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|
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|
|
86267 15-MAR 01:06 General Information
|
|
RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86250)
|
|
From: RICKULAND To: REVWCP
|
|
|
|
A little work with magic marker, and your new PC6309 is ready for upgrade.
|
|
-ricku
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
86274 15-MAR 20:29 General Information
|
|
RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86256)
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
You're absolutley correct, that copy is in a bright red box! So its
|
|
obviously the AT&T version. Cheers Randy, you gotta keep me on my toes!
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
86276 15-MAR 20:34 General Information
|
|
RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86265)
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: LMCCLURE (NR)
|
|
|
|
Maybe, but it doesn't resemble the pix I've seen of the 7300. And Intel
|
|
sure didn't make the cpu thats in it. I wonder how many diff prod runs
|
|
there might have been too, the one time I picked up the motherboard to
|
|
look, it did have a 68008! But then this boards been swapped out at least
|
|
4 times now, and none of them were totally plug compatible with the
|
|
previous occupant of the bottom of the box! Maybe some did have 68010's
|
|
as they would be essentaiilly plug-n-play in that app. Cheers, Gene
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
|
86282 15-MAR 23:15 General Information
|
|
RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86276)
|
|
From: COCOKIWI To: WDTV5
|
|
|
|
THE 6300 system is a 8086......I saw one today!!!!
|
|
Dennis
|
|
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|
-*-
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|
|
86291 15-MAR 23:58 General Information
|
|
RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86263)
|
|
From: WA2EGP To: RANDYKWILSON
|
|
|
|
OK. I agree. It would be hard to imagine one of their machines with anything
|
|
but their "version" of UNIX. OF course, if you can get a 6300 to run UNIX,
|
|
you must be a D**M good programmer (grin).
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
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|
|
86292 15-MAR 23:59 General Information
|
|
RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86266)
|
|
From: WA2EGP To: LMCCLURE (NR)
|
|
|
|
The latest version was 3.5.1 but has been modified by users to a 3.5.1m.
|
|
I have two. Neat old beasts.
|
|
|
|
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|
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|
|
86302 16-MAR 20:28 General Information
|
|
RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86282)
|
|
From: WDTV5 To: COCOKIWI
|
|
|
|
I guess I'm gonna have to go look under the hood tommorrow, either I've got
|
|
the model or the cpu snafued.
|
|
Gene
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|
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|
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|
86304 16-MAR 20:49 General Information
|
|
RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86291)
|
|
From: DSRTFOX To: WA2EGP
|
|
|
|
The version of UNIX is a moot point. AT&T sells machines to many vendors. If a
|
|
custom software/machine vendor set up the PC7300 they may not have purchased
|
|
the operating system from AT&T with the machines. So the PC7300 could very well
|
|
have come with "BDS"
|
|
or whatever UNIX. I see this on the AF base all the time. We have some
|
|
"Monaco" automated fire alarm systems. The control unit is a Tandy 1000TX (286)
|
|
with a special BIOS in it. As far as we can tell, the only reason for the odd
|
|
BIOS is so the Monaco soft
|
|
ware won't run on anything else!! (no standard clone).
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
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|
|
86309 16-MAR 23:31 General Information
|
|
RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86304)
|
|
From: WA2EGP To: DSRTFOX (NR)
|
|
|
|
Yes the 7300 may come from a vendor with some other flavor of UNIX but
|
|
1. I would imagine that it would come from AT&T with their version when it
|
|
goes to the vendor
|
|
2. In my limited (very limited) contact with a number of machines, I haven't
|
|
seen any with anything other than System V. Maybe someone else could
|
|
jump in if they have seen anything different on one.
|
|
As far as the AF machines go, well, sometimes the military does have a
|
|
"different" way of doing things than everyone else. BTW, I think that special
|
|
BIOS is an excellent idea for preventing software piracy. Of couse it shoots
|
|
s all to heck (Grin). This all started because of confusion between
|
|
|
|
the 6300 and the 7300 which seems to me like confusing MS-DOS and OS-9 (ducking
|
|
and smiling...)
|
|
|
|
-*-
|
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|
|
86320 17-MAR 03:16 General Information
|
|
RE: PC6300 (Re: Msg 86302)
|
|
From: COCOKIWI To: WDTV5 (NR)
|
|
|
|
either that or a new pair of Eyes!<grin>......It was funny,I was following this
|
|
thread over the last few days,I am in the process of installing an alarm
|
|
system at a Computer Non profit group<church>give kids access to computers!
|
|
the guy that runs it is a NETWORK tech! and has been collecting OLD
|
|
computers to use,and this guy pulls out this old box to check out,and I just
|
|
happened to see the AT & T label! the rest you know! I looked at the Back
|
|
label,and sure enough it WAS a 6300.....I then LOOKED more closly!!!<G>
|
|
dennis
|
|
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|
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|
|
End of Thread.
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|
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|
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|
86273 15-MAR 19:55 System Modules (6809)
|
|
Grfdrv Patch
|
|
From: DENNYWRIGHT To: ALL
|
|
|
|
I applied the 25 line grfdrv patch but I was wondering if anyone can tell me how
|
|
|
|
to patch the window descriptors so that they are 25 lines. Or do I have to
|
|
wcreate the windows with 25 lines?
|
|
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|
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|
|
86280 15-MAR 23:09 System Modules (6809)
|
|
RE: Grfdrv Patch (Re: Msg 86273)
|
|
From: JRUPPEL To: DENNYWRIGHT
|
|
|
|
The easiest way that I found to modify my window descriptors is with Easyedit
|
|
found here in the Applications database. It gives you a chance, also, to adjust
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step rates, fore and background colors and device configurations. It works
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exceptionally well.
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John
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86290 15-MAR 23:58 System Modules (6809)
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RE: Grfdrv Patch (Re: Msg 86280)
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From: MITHELEN To: DENNYWRIGHT
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Of course... you can always look up the information in the OS-9 Technical
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referance section. You should be able to find out whay bytes to patch
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in the information on SCF file descriptors, and then use modpatch to make the
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changes... This gives you a much more fuller understanding about how OS-9
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works, and helps you to develop the skills to figure these types of changes
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on your own in the future...
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I don't mean to sound like I'm "ragging" on you... but if more people
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would consult the manual or documentation onthese type of things, other
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people wouldn't have to answer the same old questions over and over, again
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and again...
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--
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Paul
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P.S. I had a rotten day, so sorry if I seem uptight...
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-*-
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86298 16-MAR 18:09 System Modules (6809)
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RE: Grfdrv Patch (Re: Msg 86280)
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From: DENNYWRIGHT To: JRUPPEL
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Thanks I'll look into it.
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86300 16-MAR 18:15 System Modules (6809)
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RE: Grfdrv Patch (Re: Msg 86290)
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From: DENNYWRIGHT To: MITHELEN
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Yeah I know but I still have trouble trying to figure out the war and peace
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book. That's what I call the Manual because of it's size. I try to figure it
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out nyself and I wish people would start quoting the manual or Like you did
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tell me the part of the man
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ual to look in. That little bit of info will be of great help inthe future.
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F or instance I didn't know Grfdrv was a SCF device or controlled
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by the SCF
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module.
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-*-
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End of Thread.
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86281 15-MAR 23:14 General Information
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Tandy Support Lives!
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From: TOMFANN To: ALL
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I discovered something today that seems to be virtually unknown in the CoCo
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Community, and it is this: almost ALL of the software that Radio Shack ever
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sold for the Color Computer is still available by special order at your local
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Radio Shack, and at very reasonable prices, in most cases. This includes such
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titles as "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" @ $4.95, "Leisure Suit Larry"
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@ $4.95, "Tetris" @ $19.95, "C Compiler" @ $69.95, and "TSSpell" @ $10.95. I
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have the first edition of the Express Order catalog, dated 1988, and almost
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everything listed in there for the CoCo is still available. However, it is
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NOT available through Express Order! All this CoCo software has to be special
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ordered from what is called the Consumer Mail Center. There is a catalog
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listing everything in a large red binder. It also includes printwheels for
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daisy wheel printers, vacuum tubes, etc. I was told that every company-owned
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Radio Shack should have one of these Consumer Mail Center catalogs. You will
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most likely have to talk to the manager because even very few Radio Shack
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employees know about this. Check it out!
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..Tom Fann
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86296 16-MAR 09:55 General Information
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autoex/tsmon probs
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From: JWILKERSON To: ALL
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I used a package that modifies cc3go to elimiante it as an active process
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and to supposedly call login. This only locks up a window.... a program
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autoez is also supposed to be called.
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Can anyone give me a clue?
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Thanks
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-- John
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-*-
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86297 16-MAR 11:17 General Information
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RE: autoex/tsmon probs (Re: Msg 86296)
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From: ILLUSIONIST To: JWILKERSON
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put tsmon in /dd/cmds but with the filename autoex (for auto-execute, this
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can be done for any os-9 command) I am willing to bet that the reason
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the window "locks up" is that it trys to find autoex, but cant, and doesnt
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have a process to fork, cc3go dies, and of course doesnt have a parent since
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it is a system-boot process, so you end up staring at a blank window..
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is this package PD? if so is it for OS-9/6809 or OS-9/680x0? if it is
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for either you should upload it here, if it is for 6809, I am gonna have
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to make it a point of grabbing a copy :)
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-* Mike
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86301 16-MAR 18:36 General Information
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RE: autoex/tsmon probs (Re: Msg 86297)
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From: JWILKERSON To: ILLUSIONIST
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The program is _already_ here on Delphi. Look in the telecommunications
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section IUi
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I think. The package has an Ipatch for cc3go and a program called autoez. I
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had already named autoez autoex. I will however name tsmon autoex and see it
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that does it. cc3go is supposed to die become a non-active process.
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Oh, and yes.... it is for 6809 os9.
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Thanks.... John
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-*-
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86317 17-MAR 01:00 General Information
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RE: autoex/tsmon probs (Re: Msg 86301)
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From: ILLUSIONIST To: JWILKERSON (NR)
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Hmm, ok I will DL it and see if I can get it to work, I would love to
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have a CC3Go that would run a multiuser system on startup..
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-*-
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End of Thread.
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86308 16-MAR 22:10 General Information
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Multipak Pal Chip
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From: DBREEDING To: ALL
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I'd like to get an Upgrade PAL chip for the old-style Multipak. I called
|
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National Parts and they said that it was a Repair Center only part. Seems
|
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I saw an ad somewhere recently by someone, but cannot find it. If anyone
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knows where/how to get one, please let me know. My multipak was supposed
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to have been upgraded, but it says "Tandy" and has a date of '86(?) don't
|
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have the pak opened now. Someone told me that this was the old chip. It
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did seem to work OK on my CoCo 3, but don't want to take chances.
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-- David Breeding --
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*** Sent via CoCo-InfoXpress V1.01 ***
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^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
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-*-
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86321 17-MAR 03:20 General Information
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RE: Multipak Pal Chip (Re: Msg 86308)
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From: COCOKIWI To: DBREEDING (NR)
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Talk to Marty.....MARTYGOODMAN here for info on that! He has Em!leave him
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a message on E-Mail....OK!
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Dennis
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-*-
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End of Thread.
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-*-
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86310 16-MAR 23:41 Telecom (6809)
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6809 UUCP
|
|
From: WA2EGP To: ALL
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|
Just want to let everybody know that Bob Billson has been getting a lot a
|
|
messages of the "When will it be released?" type. He told me that he intends
|
|
to get it out no later than April 2nd (this year) in spite of his system
|
|
going "poof!". His 6309 got blasted and part of his hard drive got trashed.
|
|
He has recoved using a 6809 from an old CoCo I (!) and is working on it.
|
|
Knowing Bob, he'll do it. Have patience.
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-*-
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86312 17-MAR 00:17 General Information
|
|
RE: question (Re: Msg 86162)
|
|
From: TAULBORG To: LLASHER (NR)
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|
|
|
OS9 Still LIVES and is still being explored by coconuts like me!!!!
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-*-
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86315 17-MAR 00:29 General Information
|
|
cocofest
|
|
From: TAULBORG To: ALL
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|
|
Does anyone know when the next COCO fest will be?I need to know for our next
|
|
newsletter
|
|
Our Coco club is still alive and going strong with a few members that would
|
|
like to know when th next cocofest will be!!!
|
|
I have to put this info in our april newsletter so please let me know soon!
|
|
Steven P Taulborg
|
|
V.P. COCO Club of Central Ohio
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-*-
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86326 17-MAR 09:52 General Information
|
|
RE: cocofest (Re: Msg 86315)
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: TAULBORG (NR)
|
|
|
|
Contact Tony Podraza (TONYPODRAZA) He will supply you will all the information
|
|
you need. I recall off hand if he already posted the info file here or not. But
|
|
if my memory is correct, the dates are May 20 & 21 (or at least thereabouts
|
|
on that weekend)
|
|
--
|
|
Paul
|
|
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|
-*-
|
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End of Thread.
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-*-
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86322 17-MAR 04:13 Telecom (6809)
|
|
Transmitting Via Modem, Etc.
|
|
From: TAFOID To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Hi!
|
|
|
|
I have a problem. I wish to transfer the many GIF's and sound files I
|
|
have on os-9 Level 2 disk to my IBM. If there a way to Direct Connect the IBM
|
|
and CoCo via the RS232 Card. Looking specifically to transfer thedse programs
|
|
via Telecom programs o
|
|
n thier respective computers.
|
|
|
|
|
|
I was looking for possible transfer rates of 19200 for RAW data transfer
|
|
via Cable. Is this possible, and how? BTw.. I have a CoCo 3, 512k, and
|
|
Osterm.. Thanks :)
|
|
P.S Schematics for make a cable (w/ parts numbers if possible..) would be
|
|
great!
|
|
|
|
-Scott
|
|
|
|
-*-
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|
86327 17-MAR 09:56 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: Transmitting Via Modem, Etc. (Re: Msg 86322)
|
|
From: MITHELEN To: TAFOID (NR)
|
|
|
|
A standard null modem adaptor, with DCD strapped high is all that is needed.
|
|
The CoCo RS-232 pack needs DCD high before it will receive any data.
|
|
--
|
|
Paul
|
|
|
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-*-
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86328 17-MAR 10:26 Telecom (6809)
|
|
RE: Transmitting Via Modem, Etc. (Re: Msg 86322)
|
|
From: ILLUSIONIST To: TAFOID (NR)
|
|
|
|
If you have an RS232 pak, you should be able to transfer the files at
|
|
19200, might have to go with 9600 if your system doesnt have all the "right"
|
|
patches..one thing though, why not just transfer them by diskette?
|
|
|
|
there is a patch in the system modules database to read/write PC floppies
|
|
just format a bunch of PC floppies, and copy all the files over..
|
|
there is even a command to do a "dsave" like copy of all files on a floppy
|
|
to the pc disk..
|
|
|
|
-* Mike
|
|
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|
-*-
|
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|
End of Thread.
|
|
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-*-
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|
86329 17-MAR 10:31 General Information
|
|
Eliminaotr
|
|
From: ILLUSIONIST To: ALL
|
|
|
|
Can anyone tell me if the Eliminator board for the coco is a halt or
|
|
no-halt floppy controller? And is the par. port bi-directional (or more
|
|
accuratly, can if physically support bi-dir. I know that drivers would have
|
|
to be written.)
|
|
|
|
-* Mike
|
|
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|
-*-
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