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#: 19509 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Dec-93 18:05:15
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Sb: #19501-GNU C
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Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
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To: Zack Sessions 71532,1555 (X)
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> Hmm, I jsut got GCC from cabrales and it is version 1.42?!?!?
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Correction, the older version I have is ver 1.42 (the docs say 1.37) - the
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newer one I just got from cabrales is 2.5.6. -- I'm keeping the older one on my
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Hard Drive until I get to the bottom of this "signal 103" business.
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John R. Wainwright
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<<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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*********** InfoXpress ************
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#: 19507 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Dec-93 12:55:27
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Sb: #19500-#GNU C
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Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
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To: John R. Wainwright 72517,676 (X)
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John,
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I get the same results with 2.5.n GCC, I suspect that it was written for and on
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something other than a 68000 or 68070.
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-Bill-
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 19512 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Dec-93 21:44:29
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Sb: #19507-GNU C
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Fm: John R. Wainwright 72517,676
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To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
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> John,
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> I get the same results with 2.5.n GCC, I suspect that it was written for and
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on
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> something other than a 68000 or 68070.
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> -Bill-
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Uh-oh, and thanks for the confirmation, Bill. BTW, I am running it (or trying
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to) on a 68340.
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John R. Wainwright
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<<CIS -- 72517,676>> <<DELPHI -- JOHNREED>>
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*********** InfoXpress ************
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#: 19510 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Dec-93 19:51:39
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Sb: #19502-Printing problems
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Fm: keith bauer 71102,317
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To: ole hansen 100016,3417
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> Are your spooler running on /p at the time you try to rint from ved ??
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> If you need it, I can post you a 'pseudo'-device-drive/descriptor that
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> will redirect to a spooled printer. I can print to that from 'ved'.
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> regards ole@danelec.dk
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>
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Yes I am running the spooler. Please send the 'pseudo' device-drive.desc.
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Thanks
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---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Keith Bauer
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CIS :71102,317
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Delphi :keithbauer
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Internet:kbauer@pids.com
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Via InfoXpress/OSK ver 1.01 How 'bout them Cowboys!
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#: 19511 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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20-Dec-93 19:51:50
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Sb: #19503-Printing problems
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Fm: keith bauer 71102,317
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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> If you are using the spooler...respond 'yes' to Ole's offer to post the
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> replacement /p. Otherwise, you better post some more info.
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>
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Thanks, I will ask Ole for his replacement /p.
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Thanks for the explanation
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Keith Bauer
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CIS :71102,317
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Delphi :keithbauer
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Internet:kbauer@pids.com
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Via InfoXpress/OSK ver 1.01 How 'bout them Cowboys!
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#: 19508 S15/Hot Topics
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20-Dec-93 17:25:19
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Sb: GWINDOWS for MM/1
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Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
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To: ALL
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Frank Hogg in his message #19504 made several statements which require
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clarification and correction.
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Frank Hogg didn't have to call Steve Adams to find out what changes had
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occurred to G-WINDOWS. He need only read the current edition of the
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'edition.h' file provided by Steve. All changes to G-WINDOWS are listed
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there. Also, Steve lists to whom and when he has sent updated versions.
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DELMAR CO is listed twice.
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First, his conversation with Steve Adams wherein he claims Steve stated the
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only changes to G-WINDOWS involved -
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> 1) The Japanese version
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> 2) Ultra C use
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> 3) GView
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> 4) OS9000.
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> There is no significant difference between 37 and 51 other than those.
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I wasn't privy to the conversation nor, apparantly, was anyone else. But
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I doubt Steve Adams made the above statements as claimed.
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One need only look at the 'edition.h' file provided with G-WINDOWS. I
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include a copy with all copies of G-WINDOWS I sell. From edition 37
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through edition 50, there were over 200 changes. While many of these did
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deal the Kanji version, OS-9000 and some with Ultra C and GView, there are
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many others that deal directly with G-WINDOWS. To illustrate just a few of
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the changes since edition 37 -
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Change to WFM (the window file manager) - 'changed so CLUT is correctly set-up
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before background color in window is drawn when a window is made visible or
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moved to the top of the window stack.'
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Change to DESKTOP - 'Fixed bug that wrongly identified text files as shell
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scripts.'
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Change to WFM - 'Fixed task queuing mechanixm so high priority processes
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don't lock low priority processes on fast CPUs.' (I don't know if the
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68340 qualifies as a fast cpu.)
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Change to WFM - 'Fixed bug in "Window_Get(W_RawScreenData)" function which
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would inadvertantly change contents of the BOX parameter.'
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Change to WFM - 'Added a cache flush so WFM would work with copy-back cache.'
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Added utility - 'editframe' - a frame editor for G-WINDOWS.
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The utility is especially important to hardware with limited resolution
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capabilities such as the KIX/MGA board and the MM/1. It permits reducing
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the width of the window border permitting a larger window area.
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There are other changes pertinent to G-WINDOWS including the use of many
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environment variables.
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'edition.h' is solely the product of Steve Adams and all changes listed
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therein are his including the ones I extracted above. Hence, I question
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the veracity of Frank Hogg's report of his conversation. I will post a copy
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of the latest 'edition.h' I have in the library.
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I don't mean to imply G-WINDOWS is buggy. It isn't. But no one has yet
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to write the perfect code. As Steve Adams finds or is made aware of
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problems, he resolves them immediately. To my knowledge and experience,
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none of the 'bugs' will result in crashing G-WINDOWS. G-WINDOWS will simply
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ignore the error or respond with an appropriate error message. This is also
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true when you try to run certain software written under later versions of
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G-WINDOWS but run under earlier versions. Further, Steve has been adding
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enhancements to G-WINDOWS.
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Frank Hogg reports the following statement from Steve Adams -
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> As far as I know there is no changes to the drivers required to update to
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> newer versions of GWINDOWS from #37 on.
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It is true that a driver written under edition 37 will work under edition
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#50. Since certain library functions may've been changed and/or added, the
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driver should be re-compiled with the new library/header files to insure these
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are picked up. In fact, this was neccesary for the 2 releases I received.
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Sometimes Steve includes suggestions on new algorithms to perform some of the
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functions in the driver. I'm learning others. A new release is a good time
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to review the driver code to insure everything is optimized and is wholly
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consistent with the other modules comprising G-WINDOWS.
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A new release is not because of the driver. The Window File Manager (WFM),
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Desktop and a whole host of related programs and utilities may be updated.
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These updates come from Steve Adams. An update is really a whole new
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G-WINDOWS package and DELMAR CO distributes them as such.
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I suppose it's a matter of how we perceive our responsibility to our
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customers. My preference is to provide the best and latest I can to my
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customers.
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The following dialogue is most interesting -
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> FH: What about ControlCalc? And how much does it cost?
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> SA: ControlCalc may be the only difference. It may
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> require a newer edition. I don't know the cost for sure
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> but I think it's $6,000.
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> FH: Well if it costs that much then it is not an issue here. ...
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The statement 'it is not an issue here' is presumptuous. Following FHL's
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reasoning would preclude the MM/1 or MM/1A being considered as a platform
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for ControlCalc and perhaps other programs which might be developed and
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released in the future. I don't believe the distributor of a package of
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this type should pre-judge the market for other hardware.
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More info on ControlCalc and G-WINDOWS. It is true that the Developer's
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version of ControlCalc costs $6000.00. But the Run-Time is only $995.00.
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ControlCalc uses G-VIEW. Also a very expensive package (but included in the
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price of the Developer's version of ControlCalc). It is G-VIEW that is
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sensitive to the version of G-WINDOWS being used. I don't think we can expect
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the average G-WINDOWS user to purchase G-VIEW, but a demo version of G-VIEW
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is included with G-WINDOWS. Except for the size of the source code it can
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process, it is a full-fledged, working version. (I think it's limited to
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about 100 lines of source code.) I am aware of one programmer who is using
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this version of G-VIEW and will be including the gadgets, etc. generated in
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his software. There is no reason other programmers can't take advantage of
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the demo version of G-VIEW as well. Will a user with an older version of
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G-WINDOWS be able to run his software? I think it really will depend on
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what the programmer has done but I don't see why anyone should take chances.
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> ... Delmars comments annoyed me and I have decided to pursue this.
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Since Frank Hogg credits my comments with causing him to withdraw his offer
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of an obselete and unsupported version of G-WINDOWS, I feel my efforts were
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worth while.
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In message #19505, Frank Hogg is now offering a current, supported version
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of G-WINDOWS. Fine - I have no problem with that _if_ he follows through
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and is committed to continued and ongoing support. But I think the OSK
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community might feel more comfortable had he pursued this course of action
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originally without being 'annoyed' by me. His own statement creates doubts
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as to his motivation.
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Judging by his past actions, he does not seem interested in providing up-to-
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date products. In fact, he appears obsessed rationilizing his failure to
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provide current software. The TC70 was delivered with Version 2.3 of OSK and,
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according to the best information I've been able to get, he is still providing
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Version 2.3 OSK with his KIX series of computers. I believe all other
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providers of OSK hardware have long ago switched to Version 2.4. It would
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appear that his MGA board is being shipped with edition 37 of G-WINDOWS.
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So, does he demonstrate a history of providing up-dated products and support?
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Before making a decision, you may wish to consider the following factors -
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Several TC70 customers purchased G-WINDOWS from FHL. What kind of support
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have they received including upgrades?
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What version of G-WINDOWS is being shipped for the KIX/MGA? What support
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are these customers receiving?
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Since Ray Tremblay is an independent agent, what is his long term commit-
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ment for support and upgrades. What will Frank Hogg do in the event Ray,
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for whatever reason, is unable or unwilling to continue his support?
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Can you call Frank Hogg most any time and get support? Is he knowledgeable
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about G-WINDOWS? The developer's pak? G-VIEW?
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What documentation is included? In addition to the official documentation
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for G-WINDOWS, DELMAR includes a comprehensive tutorial to assist new users
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get started using G-WINDOWS.
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Because of the commitments already made, I will continue my offer and permit
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the market to decide who is capable of best serving them. Those who have
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placed orders with me and wish to cancel certainly may do so. Just let me
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know.
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Ed Gresick
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DELMAR CO
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#: 19513 S15/Hot Topics
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20-Dec-93 23:42:44
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Sb: GWINDOWS on the MM1
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Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317
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To: all
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Please refer to message #80584 on DELPHI.
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In that message we showed how we caught Ed Gresick red handed deliberately
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falsifying benchmark results. He lied about us and about our products. That
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message was the culmination of many weeks of grief where Ed Gresick put all of
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us thru the wringer. Now he has the unmitigated gall to question MY veracity
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when it was he who has been proven BY HIS OWN WORDS and IN HIS OWN HAND to be
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deceitful! Shame on him. Now he wants to start this all over again with another
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long winded flame about our port of GWINDOWS to the MM1. Not me! Not again! You
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will notice in message #80657 (again going back to the old DELPHI thread) that
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he did not admit in full to what he had done. His 'apology' such as is was was
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NEVER accepted by Mike Smith or myself.
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This is all I have to say on this matter in this forum. All further comments
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from Ed Gresick and his past lies will be dealt with in a different venue.
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Frank Hogg -- FHL
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PS. If you do not have access to DELPHI I will be happy to email you the two
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messages referred to above. #80584 and #80657.
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