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#: 17259 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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15-Dec-92 21:47:19
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Sb: Televideo Terminal
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: All
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Does anyone know if a normal PC-type keyboard will work with a Televideo 965
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terminal. I have a term. with a blown keyboard (I think). I thought I'd make up
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a little converter cable to switch from a DIN plug to the telephone jack the
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TV-965 uses. But if someone has more knowledge than me let me know if I'm
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wasting my time (or if I can damage the PC keyboard... even though I have
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checked voltages and it appears to be just 5volt).
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#: 17260 S3/Languages
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17-Dec-92 08:36:10
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Sb: #17255-#C question
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
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Bill...
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Interesting question.... what about:
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a) Take address of structure
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b) Take address of interesting element
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c) Subtract a) from b)
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d) Assign result to a variable
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Pete
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#: 17262 S3/Languages
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18-Dec-92 08:50:54
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Sb: #17260-#C question
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Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
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To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
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Pete,
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I hadn't thought of that one, but like Bob's suggestion, it is a runtime
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method, which I wanted to avoid. The simplest runtime solution, in this
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particular case, is to assign the address of each element to an array of
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pointers. I was hoping there was some way to initialize variables to the
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offsets at compile time. I could do it with #asm, I think, but really didn't
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want to. I think I'll just leave it like it is, which is all runtime type
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stuff. The purpose of this was to reduce the size of the code, since I'm having
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great fun trying to pack a lot of program into 48K, or 40K in some cases, for
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the CoCo. What is one OSK module is now four OS9 modules, and I think I'm going
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to have to go to five.
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-Bill-
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#: 17265 S3/Languages
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18-Dec-92 20:47:46
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Sb: #17262-#C question
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
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Bill, I don't want to get into any arguments here...but both my and Pete's
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suggestions were compile time. Uh, maybe you should upload a snippet of code so
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we can be sure we're all talking about the same thing...
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BTW, is this for your auto-cis program? How's it coming?
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#: 17268 S3/Languages
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19-Dec-92 10:58:38
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Sb: #17265-C question
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Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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Bob,
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Yes its for the auto-CIS (auto-Delphi, too) program, which is called InfoXpress
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(IX for short). IX is coming along, but slowly. I had thought I would have more
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free time to work on it, which just hasn't happened. I was hoping to have a
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shareware version available for the CoCo by now. The biggest stumbling block
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with the CoCo is the 64K per process limitation, but so far I've managed.
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I went back and looked at your suggestion, and you're right, it is compile
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time. But when I apply your suggestion to my problem, I end up with run time
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code because I'm dealing with pointers to structures that are passed from other
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functions. I could copy the passed structure to a local structure and use your
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suggestion (I hadn't thought of that until just now).
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Pete's suggestion can actually be interpreted as either compile time or run
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time, and again, in this particular situation it would be run time.
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After asking the question, and further thought on a solution, I think I've
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decided to leave it as it is, it will be easier to maintain, and since the
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functions involved save and load the configuration file for IX, I expect the
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code is going to change frequently.
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-Bill-
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#: 17280 S3/Languages
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23-Dec-92 14:43:14
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Sb: #17255-#C question
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
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Bill,
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Here is the classical method of finding a struct element offset, if this
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is what you meant.
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#define offsetof(t, m) (&(((t *)0)->m))
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typedef struct {
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char a;
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int b;
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short c;
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} X;
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main()
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{
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printf("offsetof(b) = %d\n", offsetof(X, b));
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}
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#: 17285 S3/Languages
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24-Dec-92 08:23:32
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Sb: #17280-#C question
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Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X)
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Carl,
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That's not exactly what I was looking for (I was looking for something that I
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could use to initialize an offset table at compile time) but its something I
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have filed away for future reference. Thanks.
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-Bill-
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#: 17299 S3/Languages
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28-Dec-92 20:58:24
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Sb: #17285-C question
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
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Ok. I wasn 't clear whether you wanted the offset of a member within a struct
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(ie with respect to the start of the struct) or the location in memory of a
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member of a struct.
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#: 17261 S1/General Interest
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17-Dec-92 19:09:36
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Sb: #17244-AR for the non-C types
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Fm: fred kohlhepp 72300,3553
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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list help
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type l Steve,
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Thanks! It's not easy for a beginner to "learn the lingo" in these forums. Yur
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help is appreciated!
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Fred
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#: 17266 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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18-Dec-92 20:47:58
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Sb: New uploads
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: All
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I've uploaded two files to DL12 in the last couple of days. The first is docs
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and binary for a new upzip program. I didn't do too much too it--just figured
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out what files to include so that the unix source would compile properly. This
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program will melt the newer PK-ZIP files which the existing unzip on this
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system will not. It also melts files into subdirectories and keeps file dates
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accurate. However, it insists on processing everything in all lowercase (unless
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you like uppercase filenames), so I wrote a little program to convert directory
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names to all uppercase. Look for the files "unzip.lzh" and "updir.c" in DL12.
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#: 17269 S15/Hot Topics
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19-Dec-92 23:27:20
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Sb: #17205-New Video for KiX\30
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Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317
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To: Chris Perrault 75346,165 (X)
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I'm sure that the KiX\30 would handle X-Windows but I have no plans to do
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anything in that regard. We are just about done with the 6809 stuff. Will only
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be selling what we currently have, ie DynaStar etc. We won't put that info in a
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catalog because of such small interest. We are concentrating on OSK now and
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mostly the KiX\30 as we have not sold one TC70 since the KiX\30 was introduced.
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BTW as you see I rarely get into the forum here so if you want to get hold of
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me I would suggest email, which I check almost daily.
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Frank
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#: 17270 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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20-Dec-92 13:55:12
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Sb: Coco C compiler
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: all
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Just wanted you all to know that I received my copy of CoCo-C the other day.
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This is a C compiler for RS_DOS Coco1/2/3. It is quite complete implementation
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(integer only). It features a separate compiler (to assembler), assembler and
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linker. The supplied library contains most of the common C functions plus calls
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to interface with the Basic ROMS.
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The Docs are about 100 8x11 pages in a bound manual. Quite complete, but does
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assume you have some C programming knowledge.
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I do have an interest in the success of this product--they have licensed my
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editors which are included in the package.
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For the price, I think it's an excellent offer. According to the ad in Rainbow,
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it costs $59.95 + 4.00 s/h. For more info contact:
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Infinitum Technology
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PO Box 356
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Saddle River, NJ 07458
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914 356 7688
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Please feel free to re-post this information.
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#: 17271 S1/General Interest
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20-Dec-92 14:30:01
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Sb: #language?
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Fm: charles sielicki 75716,42
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To: all
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A general question for anyone. In what language to most programmers or
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programming teams program today, eg. C, assembly, ?. For example does anyone
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know what a program like WordPerfect or WordStar was written in? thanks for the
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help.
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chas
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#: 17272 S1/General Interest
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21-Dec-92 04:45:42
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Sb: #17271-#language?
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Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
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To: charles sielicki 75716,42 (X)
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The most used programming language in the OSK community is 'C'. In general 'C'
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is an accepted language in embedded system, real time systems and the like. As
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far as application programs, most likely 'C' or even Pascal. I believe the
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ORIGINAL (CP/M) version of WordStar was written in assembly language on the
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Z80/8080 microprocessors, but it was much easier to program in assy lang in
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those days when one could brag about having a system with 64k and TWO eight
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inch disk drives. The WordStar for CP/M was about 38k long.
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Today, big projects like WordPerfect or Paradox and other IBM
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application software take a tremendous time, number of people, and money. One
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person may work just on one certain part of the project.
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#: 17273 S1/General Interest
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21-Dec-92 06:25:09
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Sb: #17272-#language?
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Fm: charles sielicki 75716,42
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To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
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thanks scott, do you know if the popularity of C also holds true for the IBM
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(and compatible) community? One reason why I ask is that a friend of that
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persuasion claims that programs like WordPerfect are written in this thing
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called QBasic while I think a lower (and more powerful) level language is used.
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thanks again.
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chas
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#: 17274 S1/General Interest
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21-Dec-92 11:16:28
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Sb: #17273-#language?
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Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
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To: charles sielicki 75716,42 (X)
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the 'C' language is very popular among IBM users, although IBM users have a
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wider range of choices of languages than OSK users, such as QBasic. QBasic is a
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BASIC language compiler made by Microsoft, the original maker of MBASIC for IBM
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and MS-DOS systems.
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While I could not swear to it, I would think WordPerfect would probably
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be written under something like 'C' or Pascal. Even though WordPerfect
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theoretically could be written under QBasic since QBasic does make an
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executable (.EXE).
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#: 17284 S1/General Interest
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24-Dec-92 05:20:07
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Sb: #17274-language?
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Fm: charles sielicki 75716,42
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To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
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FYI scott, & you were right. I contacted WPCorp, WordPerfect is written in
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assembly, and the windows are in C. All future updates of WordPerfect are
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being written in C. I didn't realize that C was (is) so popular.
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chas (& thanks again for your help)
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#: 17286 S1/General Interest
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24-Dec-92 18:51:21
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Sb: #17271-language?
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: charles sielicki 75716,42
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Charles -
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With little exception, the majority of current vintage stuff is written in C.
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Pete
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#: 17277 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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21-Dec-92 22:42:31
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Sb: #MSDOS/OS9
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Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762
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To: All
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What software exists to read/write CoCo format OS9 discs on MSDOS machines?
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PCDOS does a fine job the other way around, but I sometimes need the reverse. A
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quick look through the libraries didn't turn up anything.
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#: 17293 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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26-Dec-92 10:33:57
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Sb: #17277-MSDOS/OS9
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Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
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To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X)
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There used to be a product called CoCoUtil that ran on an MS-DOS machine and
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would
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read, write and even format standard RS-DOS-type disks (single-sided
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35-track).
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I think Clearbrook Software Group had a set of MS-Dos Utilities, too. They
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used to advertise in Rainbow. Their Utility would actually supported
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OS9-->MS-DOS and viceversa transfers. However, I think their utilities ran
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under OS-9.
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Seems like I saw an advertiser in Rainbow (recently) that is selling an
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MS-DOS-based transfer utility, too, but I don't think it mentioned transfers to
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or from OS-9. Seems like it was OwlWare's ad, if you're willing to take a
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chance with them.
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Lee
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#: 17307 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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30-Dec-92 14:27:25
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Sb: #17277-#MSDOS/OS9
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Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127
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To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762 (X)
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OS9MAX will do transfers from OS9 to MSDOS on an MSDOS machine. A crippleware
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version of it should exist somewhere here in the LIBs.
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#: 17312 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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01-Jan-93 17:55:48
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Sb: #17307-#MSDOS/OS9
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Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417
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To: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 (X)
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TO ALL and Ian Hodgson
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I uploaded a 'demo-version' of OS9MAX some time ago. I anybody is interrested I
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will upload the latest 'demo-version' I have. The 'news' about the current
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version of 'OS9MAX' is:
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can now generate 'bootable' OS9disks. several 'utilities' added to : backup
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different disk-formats(msdos,os9,unix) user-defined formats can be added.
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identx utility like os9-ident, but can also 'split' bootfile(even with
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romdebugger as the first code) now operates under windows(3.0/3.1) in its own
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window.
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regards ole b. hansen
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#: 17321 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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03-Jan-93 15:21:32
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Sb: #17312-#MSDOS/OS9
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Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127
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To: ole hansen 100016,3417 (X)
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>I uploaded a 'demo-version' of OS9MAX some time ago. I anybody is
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>interrested I will upload the latest 'demo-version' I have. The 'news'
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>about the current version of 'OS9MAX' is:
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I would, for one, very much appreciate your uploading the latest demo.
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Thanks in advance.
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#: 17344 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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08-Jan-93 18:46:04
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Sb: #17321-#MSDOS/OS9
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Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417
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To: Chris Bergerson 72227,127 (X)
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hello Chris OS9MAX v3.04 demo is uploaded to lib 12 OSK
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regards ole hansen
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#: 17357 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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11-Jan-93 05:45:11
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Sb: #17344-MSDOS/OS9
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Fm: Chris Bergerson 72227,127
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To: ole hansen 100016,3417 (X)
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>hello Chris OS9MAX v3.04 demo is uploaded to lib 12 OSK
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Thanks very much, Ole. I'll grab it next time I log in!
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#: 17333 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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06-Jan-93 20:58:16
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Sb: #17312-#MSDOS/OS9
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Fm: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762
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To: ole hansen 100016,3417 (X)
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OS9Max sounds very much like what I need; although most of my home computing is
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done on OS9 (CoCo3) I do have an all-singing all-dancing MSDOS machine beside
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me too, on which I do business related stuff (the OS isn't great but the
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software is staggering).
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I would very much like to see the latest demo version of OS9Max, so I hope you
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upload it soon. I presume there is also some way to get a "real" version?
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Thanks in advance.
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Ian
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#: 17343 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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08-Jan-93 18:36:18
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Sb: #17333-MSDOS/OS9
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Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417
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To: Ian Hodgson 72177,1762
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hello Ian I just finished uploading the 'new' demoversion of OS9MAX. The
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company that sells OS9MAX is German and is called DTR. Their address should be
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in the archive. I believe that 'Ultra science' sells it in the 'states'.
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best regards Ole B. Hansen
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#: 17278 S1/General Interest
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21-Dec-92 23:31:09
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Sb: Benchmarks
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Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317
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To: ALL
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The following benchmark, written in Basic on OS9/68000
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was done to show the 'relative' performance between
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different computers from FHL/Hazelwood. As benchmarks go
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it is very simple. I think you will find the results
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interesting.
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SHELL "date -j"
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FOR j=1 to 12
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FOR i=1 to 1000
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a=SQRT(i)
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b=INT(a)
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IF a=b THEN a=b
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ENDIF
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NEXT i
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NEXT j
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SHELL :date -j"
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Year Model Speed CPU FPU Seconds
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'92 KiX\30 33 Mhz 68030 Yes 2
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'92 KiX\30 25 Mhz 68030 Yes 3
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'92 KiX\30 16 Mhz 68030 Yes 5
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'87 QT20x 12 Mhz 68020 Yes 12
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'92 KiX\30 33 Mhz 68030 No 14
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'92 KiX\30 25 Mhz 68030 No 19
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'92 KiX\30 16 Mhz 68030 No 29
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'90 TC70* 15 Mhz 68070 No 105
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'85 QT+ 10 Mhz 68000 No 105
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'84 QT 8 Mhz 68008 No 219
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* On board memory only.
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The fastest KiX\30 turned out to be 52.5 times faster
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than the TC70. All of the KiX\30 tests were done on a
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KiX\30 with a 25Mhz CPU. The crystal was changed to get
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the different speeds. We will be testing 40Mhz and 50Mhz
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on the KiX\30 soon. I will report those results later.
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Frank Hogg -- FHL
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PS Please send comments via email as I don't check into
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this forum very often.
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PPS 'FPU' is the 68881/2 math co-processor for those who
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aren't familiar with the terminology.
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#: 17279 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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23-Dec-92 04:37:39
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Sb: #SETENV & MY STARTUP FILE
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Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
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To: All
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All:
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Can I put all am SETENV parameters in the .login file instead of the startup
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file
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Is their a difference being in one place than the other?
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I noticed that the parameters in the startup file are only good for w-w? and
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not term, WHY?
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Keith
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#: 17281 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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23-Dec-92 17:30:01
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Sb: #17279-#SETENV & MY STARTUP FILE
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Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417
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To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X)
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hello keith
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the reason why your SETENV stuff only work in .login, is because your 'startup'
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is run by a 'shell' forked by 'sysgo'. This shell dies after having 'executet'
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the startup-file. If you want to set up ENV-variables from the shell you talk
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to after startup has run, you need to modify your sysgo.a to setup parameters
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for the final 'shell' forked. Let me know if you need some example-code !!
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regards ole b. hansen
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#: 17282 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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23-Dec-92 20:47:43
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Sb: #17281-#SETENV & MY STARTUP FILE
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: ole hansen 100016,3417 (X)
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Ole and Keith: as an alternate to changing sysgo you can just use the builtin
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shell command 'profile'. I have a line in my startup (right near the start):
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profile .login
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this (apparently) reads the .login file and sets the variables for the parent
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of the shell which is running startup. For some reason the profile command is
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not documented (or I can't find it in the manual).
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#: 17288 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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25-Dec-92 15:29:51
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Sb: #17282-SETENV & MY STARTUP FILE
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Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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Hello Bob
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You might be wright about 'profile .login', but I don't have a straihgt 'shell
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.login'. My .login sets up a lot of things for my 'mshell' and therefor I have
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to set up my parameters for 'shell' in 'sysgo' as parameters before it is
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forked.
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The 'profile' builtin-command to shell is described in a 'release note' to OSK
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V2.4
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regards ole
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#: 17296 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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27-Dec-92 11:19:28
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Sb: #17282-SETENV & MY STARTUP FILE
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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Bob/ole -
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Not sure if Mshell supports this construct, but in Bourne and Korn shells, the
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line '. .profile' (or more portably, '. $HOME/.profile' will read and execute
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commands in the .profile file in the context of the current shell.
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Pete
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P.S. That's DOT SPACE DOT FILENAME
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#: 17283 S1/General Interest
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23-Dec-92 21:18:43
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Sb: #Seasons Greetings
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Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
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To: All
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Dear Friends:
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As the Holy Days enfold and the year draws to an end, I always take some time
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to reflect. Once again this has been a year when my little CoCo has given me a
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chance to continue on with old friendships while having the opportunity to make
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many new ones. The amount of sharing of knowledge and willingness to lend a
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helping hand is wonderful. I have treasured the Fests for allowing me to meet
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those people in person who were formerly names across the miles. It is a nice
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feeling to be a part, in some small way way , of this computer community. I
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wish I had more time to work on programs to be able to share with all of you,
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but at the moment that is one of the luxuries my chosen life requires me to
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forego.
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Tomorrow evening, when as a monk and a priest, I stand before the altar for
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Midnight Mass, I will do so with all of you in my heart. May God bless you and
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all who are dear to you.
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With all best wishes,
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Brother Jeremy, CSJW
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#: 17287 S1/General Interest
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24-Dec-92 22:17:37
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Sb: #17283-#Seasons Greetings
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Fm: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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To: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 (X)
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Merry Christmas, Jeremy!! (and all!)
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kevin
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(about to get online again regularly soon)
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#: 17289 S1/General Interest
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25-Dec-92 18:30:51
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Sb: #17287-Seasons Greetings
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
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Hi stranger...hope the cold isn't bitting too much. We miss your wit, humor and
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postings of kwindows fixes, demos and docs <g>.
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I'd like to add my "MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL" here too.
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#: 17292 S1/General Interest
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25-Dec-92 21:40:10
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Sb: #17287-Seasons Greetings
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Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142
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To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
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A very Merry Christmas to you and Marsha. I hope things are well for you both.
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--Jeremy
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#: 17301 S1/General Interest
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29-Dec-92 12:30:54
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Sb: #Languages
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Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
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To: All
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Topic: How to Shoot Yourself in the Foot
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Author: harles Forsythe
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Date: 04:09 Today
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C: You shoot yourself in the foot.
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C++: You accidentally create a dozen instances of yourself and shoot them all
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in the foot. Providing emergency medical assistance is impossible since you
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can't tell which are bitwise copies and which are just pointing at others and
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saying, "That's me, over there."
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FORTRAN: You shoot yourself in each toe, iteratively, until you run our of
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toes, then you read in the next foot and repeat. If you run out of bullets, you
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continue anyway because you have no exception-handling facility.
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Modula-2: After realizing that you can't actually accomplish anything in this
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language, you shoot yourself in the head.
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COBOL: USEing a COLT 45 HANDGUN, AIM gun at LEFT.FOOT, THEN place
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ARM.HAND.FINGER on HANDGUN.TRIGGER and SQUEEZE. THEN return HANDGUN to HOLSTER.
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CHECK whether shoelace needs to be retied.
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LISP: You shoot yourself in the appendage which holds the gun with which you
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shoot yourself in the appendage which holds the gun with which you shoot
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yourself in the appendaga which holds...
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BASIC: Shoot yourself in the foot with a water pistol. On big systems, continue
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until entire lower body is waterlogged.
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FORTH: Foot in yourself shoot.
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APL: You shoot yourself in the foot, then spend all day figuring out how to do
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it in fewer characters.
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Pascal: The compiler won't let you shoot yourself in the foot.
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SNOBOL: If you succeed, shoot yourself in the left foot. If you fail, shoot
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yourself in the right foot.
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HyperTalk: Put the first bullet of the gun into the foot left of leg of you.
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Answer the result.
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Prolog: You tell your program you want to be shot in the foot. The program
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figures out how to do it, but the syntax doesn't allow it to explain.
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370 JCL: You send your foot down to MIS with a 4000-page document explaining
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how you want it to be shot. Three years later, your foot comes back deep-fried.
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From the December 1991 issue of Developer's Insight and later from The Well.
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#: 17308 S1/General Interest
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31-Dec-92 18:26:59
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Sb: #17301-Languages
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)
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Thanks Lee...needed that to brighten up my day!
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#: 17303 S1/General Interest
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29-Dec-92 14:23:27
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Sb: Night Before Crisis
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Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
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To: All
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Programmer's Night before Crisis
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'Twas the night before crisis and all through the house,
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Not a program was working, not even a browse.
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The programmers were wrung out, too mindless to care,
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Knowing chances of cutover hadn't a prayer.
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The users were nestled all snug in their beds,
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While visions of inquiries danced in their heads.
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When out in the lobby there arose such a chatter,
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I sprang from my tube to see what was the matter.
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And what to my wondering eyes should appear,
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But a Super Programmer, oblivious to fear.
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More rapid than eagles, his programs they came,
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And he whistled and shouted and called them by name;
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"On Update! On Add! On Inquiry! On Delete!"
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"On Batch Jobs! On Closing! On Functions Complete!"
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His eyes were glazed over, his fingers were lean,
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From weekends and nirhts in front of the screen.
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A wink of his eye, and twist of his head,
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Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread.
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He spoke not a word but went straight to work,
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Turning specs into code, then turned with a jerk.
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He sighed as he pressed the big ENTER key,
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The system came up and worked perfectly.
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The updates updated, the deletes deleted,
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Inquiries inquired, and the closing completed.
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He tested each whistle and tested each bell,
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With nary an abend, all had gone well.
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The system was finished, the tests were concluded,
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The users' last changes were even included.
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And the user exclaimed with a snarl and a taunt,
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"It's just what I asked for, but not what I want!"
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..........Author Unknown
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/ex
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#: 17305 S4/MIDI and Music
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29-Dec-92 18:25:46
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Sb: Find Mike Knudsen
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Fm: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
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To: [F] All
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|
Has anyone heard from Mike Knudsen lately? I have Ultimusic os9 midi utility
|
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that was authored by him. I am wondering if he made any updates or has anything
|
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for a msdos pc and midi? Thanks, Denise
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#: 17306 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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30-Dec-92 08:48:40
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Sb: more ????
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Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
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To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
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Kevin,
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Has anyone done anything yet with the joystick drivers for the MM/1 ?
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#: 17309 S1/General Interest
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01-Jan-93 02:03:13
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Sb: #Happy New Year
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Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
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To: all
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I don't know if anybody will see this or not but HAPPY NEW YEAR to all.
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|
Larry Larry Olson Olson
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Come on guy's, the place is getting so empty, we're starting to get echos.
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<g>
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#: 17314 S1/General Interest
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02-Jan-93 14:35:01
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Sb: #17309-#Happy New Year
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)
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|
Happy new year to you too too too too too too.
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Funny how it got so quiet here lately...must mean that no one has any problems
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<grin>.
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 17320 S1/General Interest
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03-Jan-93 10:16:46
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Sb: #17314-#Happy New Year
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Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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|
Bob,
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Either that,(no one has any problems), or everyone went away for the
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holidays. I hope it is something like that.
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While I have your attension, do you know anything about writing screen print
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drivers. I have a Deskjet 550c sitting here just aching for a driver.
|
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It prints text files just great, but I would sure like to print some of
|
|
these pictures on the MM/1. I sent off to HP for the technical reference
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manual, because the manuals that came with it told nothing about how to send
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the data that the printer needs to do color printing. It came with a couple of
|
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disks of drivers, but these are for ms-dos, which does me no good at all.
|
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I have no idea on how to write a driver, but I'm going to look into it.
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|
larry
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 17322 S1/General Interest
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03-Jan-93 20:35:51
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Sb: #17320-#Happy New Year
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)
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|
Larry, guess it's up to us to keep the traffic here up <grin>.
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|
|
Grafix drivers for printers are pretty application specific. I have written a
|
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few screen dump routines for dumping coco screens to an Epson printer. However,
|
|
I believe that the Deskjet works much like a laser in this regard and you have
|
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to send it one line of data at a time. I spent some time reading a tech manual
|
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for a laser printer and it appeared that one just had to send the raster data
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along with some control codes. It didn't look all the complex, but then I
|
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didn't have access to the printer so didn't have to find out how "easy" it
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really is.
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I think that what you want to write is not a driver but a screen print
|
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program...quite different. The drivers supplied with your printer are most
|
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likely interfaces for specific ms-dos application programs.
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|
How do you like the deskjet? I considered buying one awhile ago, but was
|
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disappointed by the resolution. Of course, in the stores demoing them they just
|
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used cheap photocopy paper and appologized for the poor quality and assured me
|
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that with proper paper the resolution was excellent. But I wanted to see for
|
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myself and I guess they weren't all that interested in making a sale...
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#: 17328 S1/General Interest
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06-Jan-93 02:30:42
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Sb: #17322-#Happy New Year
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Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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|
Bob,
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You are right, what I meant was a screen print routine. The printer works
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great on text copy right out of the box. I will through together a little setup
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program that will allow setting different text styles and sizes. That shouldn't
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be a problem. I bought a copy of Vprint, but I havn't checked yet about setting
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Vprint enviroment up for using some of the printer features.
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I guess the stumbling block I see for a screen print routine is trying to
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figure out the correct code to send to the printer, when you get a pixel color
|
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and want to have the printer put the same color on paper. The computer uses RGB
|
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values while the printer uses CMY or CMYK. Its going to take some digging on
|
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this, right now I don't have a clue.
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As far as the print quality, from what I have seen, for text the quality is
|
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as good as a laser printer. The paper used does make a big difference, the
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regular photo copy paper is perfectly usable, but if you want the very sharpest
|
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characters,you might need to buy the paper that HP sellls. I picked up some
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erasable typing paper and tried it and it comes out beautiful when I ran the
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test routine that printed out all the different character styles and sizes. The
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only problem with this paper is that it is too thin, you can see through it.
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The problem with regular paper is that the ink has a tendency to spread as it
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soaks into the paper, but if you use some kind of coated paper, the ink won't
|
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soak in and spread.
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I don't know how long ago you looked at the Deskjet, but this new one, 550c,
|
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has a separate black ink cartridge as well as the color cartridge, which gives
|
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you black printing instead of the dark green they got when they were just
|
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mixing the colors to get black in the earlier models.
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I need to finish up this other program I have been working on, before I
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tackle any kind of screen print program, so when I do get heavy into it you can
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expect to see alot of dumb questions I'll be sure to be asking.
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|
larry
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#: 17334 S1/General Interest
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06-Jan-93 21:55:58
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Sb: #17328-#Happy New Year
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)
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Larry: Do send me a copy of your vprint init file when you have it done!
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To complicate figuring out colors for the screen dump _you_ are going to write,
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remember that the palettes for the screen can all be changed and then you have
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no idea at all of the actual colors <grin>.
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I understand that the paper HP sells is very expensive, But I don't know for
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sure...maybe that is why all the demos are on cheap paper.
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BTW, what kind of $$ is the 550c?
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#: 17336 S1/General Interest
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07-Jan-93 01:08:56
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Sb: #17334-Happy New Year
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Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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|
|
Bob,
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I havn't checked yet on the price for the HP paper but my guess is that it
|
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is high. They give you some sample Glossy paper, Cutsheet paper and
|
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Transparency film., 5 sheets of each. I havn't tried them yet, but the cut
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sheet paper is about the weight of photocopy paper, the glossy paper is almost
|
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like photographic paper, and must be expensive.
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The cost was around $650, I'm not sure what the going price is, this was
|
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part of some other stuff that was bought, plus they had them on sale at the
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time, plus I had some percentage off coupons.
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I will send you any VPRINT init file I come up with, I just got the manual
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out and noticed that I never sent the registration paper in. I'm really bad
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about that.
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The problem with the palette colors, I don't even want to think about
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yet.<grin.
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There may be some help with the color conversions, I was reading an old
|
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Compuserve newsletter, and they mentioned that there is a Hewlett Packard forum
|
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on Compuserve. I havn't gone over there yet to check on it, but there may be
|
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some help there.
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larry
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#: 17340 S1/General Interest
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07-Jan-93 15:55:11
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Sb: #17334-Happy New Year
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Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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|
I don't know about the 500c, but the 500 can use expensive or cheap paper.
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I've use a pretty wide variety, and it all seems to do pretty good.
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Paper that's specifically for laser printer does really good, but it's at the
|
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high end of the price range from what I've seen. Regular copier paper seems to
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do very well, too, and it's much cheaper.
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Lee
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#: 17339 S1/General Interest
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07-Jan-93 15:50:39
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Sb: #17328-#Happy New Year
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Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
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To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)
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I have a pretty complete vpt..init, if you're interested in saving yourself
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sometime. I have these for native mode and emulation mode. I was going to
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send them to Bob when they a little further along.
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Lee
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#: 17349 S1/General Interest
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09-Jan-93 02:12:42
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Sb: #17339-#Happy New Year
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Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
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To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)
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Lee,
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I'm always interested in saving time<g>. I started going through some of the
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Deskjet init files that came with VPrint, and found myself very quickly lost.
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This printer has so many options, which ones do you put in the init file. I
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still have to spend some more time with the technical manual to figure out what
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these commands do and how they innteract with each other.
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larry
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#: 17350 S1/General Interest
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09-Jan-93 10:46:23
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Sb: #17349-#Happy New Year
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Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
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To: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467 (X)
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There's probably more options available on the 500C, but the 500 has quite a
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powerful command set. I usually start with ones that I believe that I'll most
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likely use. Ranking them from most often used to least often used. However,
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if a less used option is especially powerful and convenient then it may get
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bumped up on the list.
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Lee
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#: 17352 S1/General Interest
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10-Jan-93 02:39:43
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Sb: #17350-Happy New Year
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Fm: LARRY OLSON 72227,3467
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To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)
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Lee,
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I have a 550c here, the one with 2 cartridges, 1 for color and a second
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with black ink.
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Part of the problem is that I don't have any major document printing jobs
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right now, its been strickly program listings for the program I'm working on,
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and some simple printing jobs.
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I will probably just slowly build the init file as I find that I need more
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commands, like you mentioned.
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larry
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#: 17338 S1/General Interest
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07-Jan-93 15:47:36
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Sb: #17322-Happy New Year
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Fm: Lee Veal 74726,1752
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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I recently bought a HP Deskjet 500 (no color).
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I like it. I bought the FX-80 Emulation cartridge that's mentioned in the back
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of the User's Manual. By using the emulation cartridge I haven't had to find
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or develop new drivers. I've used MVCanvas to dump existing .VEF pictures
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using its Epson print driver.
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One drawback from using the emulation cartridge is that there's not
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"pass-thru" capability. Once it's in emulation mode that's where it stays. You
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can't access the native features by using some sort of special pass-thru
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sequence that will cause the emulation cartridge to be by-passed. Ergo,
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there's no way, that I've found anyway, to do the landscape printing that is
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supported in the native (non-emulated) mode.
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As for quality and quietness, the DeskJet 500 is great. It's hard to tell the
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difference between it an laser quality. It's pretty speedy, too.
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I got mine at BizMart for $349 + tax. The Emulation cartridge was an extra
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$79. I had to mail-order it, but it came very quickly.
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Lee
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#: 17310 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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01-Jan-93 14:37:12
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Sb: #CD-ROM and the MM/1
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X)
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Keith,
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I've just merged in your CD-ROM file to LIB 12. Thanks!
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Can I take from this contribution that you're using a CD-ROM with the MM/1?
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Who did the driver? What titles are you using? More details, please!
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Steve
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#: 17311 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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01-Jan-93 17:51:34
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Sb: #17310-#CD-ROM and the MM/1
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Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Steve;
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Carl Krieder is working on a driver and descriptor. I am beta testing them, but
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for now I am getting error 102 and 169. I will ask you, do you think we should
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have a new File Manenger or use the SCSI hard drive one, or wright a new lib.
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cdrom.l (But this is still in the testing stage).
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Keith
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#: 17317 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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02-Jan-93 17:33:08
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Sb: #17311-#CD-ROM and the MM/1
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Keith H. March 70541,1413 (X)
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> Carl Krieder is working on a driver and descriptor. I am beta testing them,
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> but for now I am getting error 102 and 169. I will ask you, do you think we
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> should have a new File Manenger or use the SCSI hard drive one, or wright a
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> new lib. cdrom.l (But this is still in the testing stage).
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Ahhh! That is good news! Carl will do his usual good job as always.
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As far as the design questions ... I'll leave that to those more qualified that
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I to answer. My claim to fame is breaking things .... not designing 'em. Just
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ask Carl! :-)
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By the way .. what was the price of the Chinon drive you're working with?
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Steve
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*- Steve -*
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#: 17319 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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03-Jan-93 07:16:22
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Sb: #17317-CD-ROM and the MM/1
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Fm: Keith H. March 70541,1413
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Steve:
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The Price that I payed at the Dayton Hamfest was $352.56 plus $22.91 tax Total
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$375.47 on the 04/25/92.
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Yes I will be glad to get to cd-rom working. I also send Carl a start of a
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program called CDPLAY.A This program will be able to play CD-DA disks and
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(hopefully work from "desktop") will use the mouse to select the tracks and
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turn up/down the volume. (Just like the Messy-Dos Version)
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I sent him a disk (cd-rom) to work with, I hope that helps him get the software
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to work. I will let you know more as the days pass.
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Keith
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#: 17315 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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02-Jan-93 14:35:09
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Sb: #17310-CD-ROM and the MM/1
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Yes, Keith. Tell us more...just leaving that little file here is so unfair!
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#: 17313 S10/OS9/6809 (CoCo)
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01-Jan-93 20:48:12
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Sb: UNLZH7.ARC uploaded
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Fm: Norman Rheaume 71630,3476
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To: All
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I've just uploaded the newest edition of UNLZH-UNLZH7.ARC. This one fixes some
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problems with archives that I've downloaded. It also pre-allocates the output
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files to eliminate fragmentation problems with BIG files.
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#: 17316 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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02-Jan-93 14:35:20
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Sb: #Termcap files
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: David George 72240,134 (X)
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David, just downloaded your system 5 termcap file. And I figured that the
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O'Reily book was definitive...have you had a chance to compare the two and see
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if there are any conflicts?
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Thanks for sharing the info.
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#: 17351 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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10-Jan-93 00:48:27
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Sb: #17316-Termcap files
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Fm: David George 72240,134
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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Actually I have the O'Reilly book. The codes that I uploaded expand on
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the codes in the O'Reilly book. I haven't really looked into it
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extensively, but the codes that I did look at were identical.
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#: 17318 S3/Languages
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02-Jan-93 20:45:46
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Sb: RMA's "common" command
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Fm: David Breeding 72330,2051
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To: all
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Can anyone shed any light on the "common" assembler directive that is
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embedded in the "RMA". In the process of disassembling it, I came across this
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command in the list of commands, but it is not documented in the documentation
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(for the CoCo). An rdump of an rof with the -a option allows for common
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blocks, but as I mentioned, there is no mention of it in the docs. If you
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enter the line [space]common[space]3, for example, an rdump of the rof gives "1
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common block, label, size 3, 0 references:. Oh, yes, common must have a label
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before it, too.
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I just wodered if we might be able to use it somehow.
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#: 17323 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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03-Jan-93 21:58:03
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Sb: #Mail problem
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: All
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I've installed edition 11 of Microware's mail that came with my MM/1. It's a
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very different mail program than what I've become accustomed to over the years
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on various OS9/OSK systems... but no mater ... I've grown to like it.
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But!
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I seem to be having problems with the mail program respecting the group id of
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any particular user. Infact ... I've had to resort to making the user id and
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group id the same for each user. That is .. 0.0, 1.1, 2.2 ... and so on. Trying
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to use 0.0, 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 results in all 4 users seeing the same mail.
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Have I misunderstood something here? I should be able to establish different
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groups, with unique user id's within, jes? Or perhaps, have I missed something
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in the setup of mail?
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I'd be interested in any comments from other mail users.
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Thanks!
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*- Steve -*
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#: 17324 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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04-Jan-93 23:09:38
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Sb: #17323-#Mail problem
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Uh, Steve...don't know about the mail program. But do you have group and user
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mixed up. 0.0 is user 0, group 0; 2.0 is the same user. My understanding is
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that all users with the same group have equal access. Hence, user 3.4 and 3.2
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can read the same files... maybe some sage can explain the logic of this.
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#: 17329 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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06-Jan-93 07:59:38
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Sb: #17324-Mail problem
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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> Uh, Steve...don't know about the mail program. But do you have group and
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user
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> mixed up. 0.0 is user 0, group 0; 2.0 is the same user. My understanding is
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> that all users with the same group have equal access. Hence, user 3.4 and
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3.2
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> can read the same files... maybe some sage can explain the logic of this.
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>
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Hi Bob .. thanks for the reply!
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Your understanding of the Group/User relationship is the same as mine. First
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number is the Group, second is the User. And you're correct .. my problem is so
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counter to the philosphy of OS9/OSK the error, most likely, is mine. But I'll
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be darned if I can find it!
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When I originally set up the MM/1, I applied this logic to the assignment of
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password file entries. I was defined as 0.0, of course, and all other users
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were established as 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 4.0 and so on. Th idea being that any user
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could establish other users in their group that could easily share material
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between themselves.
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But ... when I installed Microware's Mail, I quickly found out that it was
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treating mail sent by all my users as mail being sent by me (0.0). Furthermore,
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any mail I had in _my_ mail box was visible to _all_ my users.
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Changing their Grp/Uid entry to 1.1, 2.2, 3.3, 4.4, and so on, cured this
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problem ... but left me with another. How do I take advantage of the GROUP
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feature?
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I'm hoping someone from Microware will see this and toss out a couple of ideas
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for me to try.
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Thanks!
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*- Steve -*
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#: 17332 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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06-Jan-93 16:01:44
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Sb: #17323-#Mail problem
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Fm: JBM Electronics 71174,3442
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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The numbers in the Microware Mail Mail.sys file are the user numbers from the
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password file, do not enter the group numbers from the password file.
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This way the same user (.uu) with always get their mail no matter what group
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they are logged in as. Put another way, each user on the system should always
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have a unique user number (.uu) but may appear in a number of groups (gg1.uu,
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gg2.uu, etc.).
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The mail system has no way of dealing with the group numbers as assigned in the
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password file.
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You can set up groups (lists) for mailing purposes ONLY in the mail.sys file,
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this is documented in that file.
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This might be easier to explain via voice?
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-J
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#: 17341 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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07-Jan-93 17:30:33
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Sb: #17332-#Mail problem
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: JBM Electronics 71174,3442 (X)
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So what you're telling me is this is a _feature_ .. not a bug?
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I'm aware of the operation of 'group list' and 'nickname' list. That's fine for
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mass mailing ... but my problem manifests itself in attempting to make use of
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an OSK standard ... Group/UID for user identification.
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Seem to be a problem to me ... but then ....
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*- Steve -*
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#: 17364 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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13-Jan-93 08:50:52
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Sb: #17341-#Mail problem
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Fm: Jay Truesdale [JBM] 71174,3442
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Yeah, well, I thought it was a bug/problem as well but MW explained it to me as
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a FEATURE!
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From their point of view, the UID should always be unique for an individual.
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That way the same person can be in many groups and still have the same UID.
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This way their mail software can find you no matter what group you log in under
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and you don't have to log in a bunch of times under different groups just to
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get all of your mail. It does make sense if you think of it this way.
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-J Truesdale
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#: 17367 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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14-Jan-93 05:32:21
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Sb: #17364-Mail problem
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Jay Truesdale [JBM] 71174,3442 (X)
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Yes ... I supposed it does make sense if you think of it in that way.
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Too bad it's taken me this long to come around.
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*- Steve -*
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#: 17325 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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05-Jan-93 10:39:10
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Sb: #OSK Wishlist
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Fm: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452
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To: all
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Hey Folks! 1) Who has _any_ version of source-code to a program that will
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ZIP files as well as unzip them? Does anybody have working binaries for an
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OSK-ZIP program ("compatible" with MeSsy-DOS' PKZip programs)? I've accepted
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the offer of a loan on an XT (which I don't want) so I can create ZIPfiles of
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straight-ASCII texts for an organization/BBS which absolutely refuses *.LZH
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uploads. I'd MUCH rather do it on my MM/1.
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(Actually, I'd rather stick with LHA/*.lzh, but the folks I'm working with
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insist on being "compatible" and "mainstream". Arrgh!) - 2) Who has source
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code (or OSK binaries!) for a QWK-mail-reader? (especially one with TAGLINES!)
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- 3) When are we going to have a publicly released Usenet newsreader and
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uucp* set of programs for OSK? - 4) Do wo have available the routines that
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would allow an OSK machine to
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a) use MNP, V.32, V.42 error correction and
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b) auto-fallback for calling or answering to a modem with a
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lower baud-rate? - 5) Do we have a program that will "type"
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a textfile at 10cps or so into a messagebase that otherwise barfs at full-speed
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ASCII uploads?
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(I had a patience-exercising-experience trying to ASCII-upload this
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message into the Atlanta Computer Society BBS {404/636-2991} MM/1_Tech-Echo
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area. My second attempt at 300 baud worked.) - 6) Who has the PCFile Manager
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working on an MM/1, and HOW does one get it working? -
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This inquiring mind wants to know! -
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(Is my impatience showing?) - Clyde C.
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Price, Jr.-- preferred email: 76616.3452@compuserve.com P.O.Box 667, Red Oak,
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GA 30272-0667 USA 404/761-2327 /John 3:16 Coordinator of "The Text Project"
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for Atl.Christian Tech.Society GEnie: C.PRICE14 ACTS-BBS 404/633-2280
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include<stddisclaimer.i>
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#: 17327 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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05-Jan-93 22:06:02
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Sb: #17325-OSK Wishlist
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452
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Can't answer all the ??s...but
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1 - I do have source for a PKZIP unzipper. I guess you might be able to reverse
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engineer it to do packing...send me email if you want this and we can arrange
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to get a disk to you. I have posted a binary to lib 12 which appears to work.
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3 - what's the problem with MNP v32? I have a modem doing all this and run it
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though sterm. No problems.
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6 - the pcf file manager works fine on my mm/1. Do you have the latest editions
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of the disk drivers, etc. (I believe you need edition #4 to use pcf). It's just
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a matter of making sure that pcf and the nesc. descriptors are in memory. I
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just load mine when needed.
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#: 17330 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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06-Jan-93 07:59:48
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Sb: #17325-OSK Wishlist
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452
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- 3) When are we going to have a publicly released Usenet newsreader and
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> uucp* set of programs for OSK? Mike Haaland has been working furiously on a
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uucp/news package for the MM/1. We're close to seeing it as I understand. Hang
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tight!
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- 4) Do wo have available the routines that
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> would allow an OSK machine to
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> a) use MNP, V.32, V.42 error correction and
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> b) auto-fallback for calling or answering to a modem with a
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> lower baud-rate? I use a 9600 baud modem all the time with
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V.32/V.42 with no problems. You do need to use a serial port that has all the
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modem control lines such as /t3 or /t3 for best results. The port will also
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need to do hardware handshaking (RTS/CTS) for best results. Xmode /t3 type=80
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does this nicely with the new drivers/descrptors available in LIB 12.
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'fraid I can't help with the other questions ... but hang in there!
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*- Steve -*
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#: 17348 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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09-Jan-93 00:48:15
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Sb: #17325-OSK Wishlist
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Fm: Mike Haaland 72300,1433
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To: Clyde C. Price, Jr. 76616,3452
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There are a few different UUCP packages and NetNews systems available for
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OSK among them are CNews and Rick Adam's news software that comes with his
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UUCP package.
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Check the UNIX forum for source to QWK-mail-readers, I don't know of any
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binaries for OSK.
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As for ZIP, we do have an Un-Zipper, but no-one has attempted porting the
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UNIX Zipper as far as I know. (Maybe I should look into ZIP for OSK!)
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For your slow ASCII uploads, I think there is source for a program called
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slowio that will do the trick, if not, it's pretty trivial to write one:
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main()
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{
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char c;
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while (c = getc(stdin)) != EOF) {
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putc(c,stdout);
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}
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}
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call it from the command line like:
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slowio <file >/tx
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Hope this helps,
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- Mike -
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PS there is RN for OSK too.
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#: 17326 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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05-Jan-93 18:24:36
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Sb: #17023-#A New Terminal Program?
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Fm: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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I would be able to make use of a fax based software program on the tomcat tc70!
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 17331 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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06-Jan-93 07:59:53
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Sb: #17326-A New Terminal Program?
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: BRUCE MOORE 70075,143
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> I would be able to make use of a fax based software program on the tomcat
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> tc70!
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> I'll amke sure Mark sees your message! User interest is a sure fire way to
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gain features!
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Thanks!
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*- Steve -*
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#: 17335 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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06-Jan-93 21:56:14
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Sb: #Ved/68K upgrade
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: All
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For those of you who do not check the libraries on a regular basis for new
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uploads (wouldn't it be nice to have a "show new uploads" command which
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automagically alerted you of new uploads whenever you entered this forum?) I
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have uploaded a new product announcement for Ved 2.0. Registered owners of 1.x
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have been mailed upgrade letters... if you don't get yours please contact us!
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There are 2 Replies.
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#: 17337 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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07-Jan-93 11:53:45
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Sb: #17335-Ved/68K upgrade
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Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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>Wouldn't it be nice to have a "show new uploads" command which
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>automagically alerted you of new uploads whenever you entered this forum?
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Yeah, but...
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For most folks, who already complain that they see the "News Flash" bulletin
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too often, having a list of a lot of files that they're not interested in would
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only make their online session less friendly.
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After all, the single command:
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BRO/LIB:ALL/AGE:x
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would display the new files in every library for "x" days, and can easily be
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added to a macro.
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To impose mandatory-read thingies on people has been demonstrated time and time
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again to be counterproductive. Believe me.. I've fought that battle a long,
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long, long time ago and lost.
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Wayne
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#: 17361 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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12-Jan-93 19:29:15
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Sb: #17335-#Ved/68K upgrade
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Fm: Ken Gideon 72270,664
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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um, Did I ever get around to registering my vpt/ved? (I have ved serial# 10041,
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and vpt serial# 7715 if that helps, bought them at last years chicago
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|
cocofest... from CoCoPro...)
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 17366 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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13-Jan-93 21:57:33
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Sb: #17361-Ved/68K upgrade
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Ken Gideon 72270,664
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Ken, nope...you never sent in the registration. I'll fill in the slots in my
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user log. Also, I'll mail out the update ann. to you. Still at 1230 S. Summit
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|
Dr?
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#: 17342 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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|
07-Jan-93 18:12:22
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Sb: Disk Formats
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: All
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|
I was fooling around earlier with different disk formats and figured some of
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|
you might be interested in the results. This is on an mm/1 using ed #4 of
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|
rb36c65.
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sector size 256 512 1024
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sct/track 36 21 11
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ileave 2 2 2
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trans. rate 18.6 21.6 23.02 meg/sec (read, write slower)
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disk cap. 1440 1680 1760 kilobytes
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|
You might note that using 1024 byte sectors you get a total storage appx. 33%
|
|
greater than the 33 sector/track standard of the mm/1. Some cautions: you may
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|
not be able to exchange disks with other users (or even different disk drives)
|
|
if you use the above formats and using a larger sector size means that more
|
|
space may be lost with small files.
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|
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Timing were done with Mark Griffith's 'ddtest' program.
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However, you may want to consider this for 'fsave' and 'lha' type backups of
|
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hard drives, etc.
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#: 17345 S1/General Interest
|
|
08-Jan-93 21:24:09
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Sb: MM/1 System for sale
|
|
Fm: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360
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|
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
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|
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|
I have to move, so I must sell my MM/1 system. It includes the two-board
|
|
extended MM/1 system with 3 megs RAM, 105 MB Connor Hard Drive, CM-8 monitor,
|
|
keyboard, official IMS case, 2 HD 3.5" floppies, all distribution software,
|
|
OS-9/68000 v. 2.4 (complete with manuals), TOPS software, plus lots more
|
|
(graphics, sound, applications). This system is in great condition and is
|
|
ready to go (I'm using it to post this!).
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Asking price: $1350 takes everything (shipping included).
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|
If you are interested, or just have questions, please leave E-Mail, or even
|
|
better, call me at [405] 372-6359.
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I really hate to part with it, but I really, REALLY need the cash. Potential
|
|
parents, uh, owners must be kind and loving. ;)
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|
Thanks,
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|
|
--Colin [73777,1360]
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|
(If you call and I'm not home, PLEASE leave a message and I will get back to
|
|
you!)
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#: 17346 S11/OS9/6809 (Non-CoCo)
|
|
08-Jan-93 23:29:38
|
|
Sb: #Monitor? Flex? OS9?
|
|
Fm: blackbelt 76004,1771
|
|
To: ALL '09 users
|
|
|
|
Hi there... I've got a bit of an odd request. :^)
|
|
|
|
I'm an Amiga user; 68040 based machine, you may (or may not) be familiar with
|
|
it.
|
|
|
|
A favorite processor of mine has always been the 6809; I used to own various
|
|
bus level systems, and I've designed a few into machines myself - done just
|
|
tons of ASM programming for the '09, too.
|
|
|
|
Well, one of my little projects has been to create a 6809 emulator - and as of
|
|
this morning, it seems to be up and running 100%.
|
|
|
|
The environment is simple - the '09 memory space, rom emulation, ram emulation
|
|
and very limited device emulation (a 6850 ACIA to be precise). That's enough to
|
|
do many things, among which are run flex or OS-9, given a system monitor and
|
|
disk hardware emulation. I'm up to the emulation - what I'm looking for is a
|
|
copy of Psymon or some other '09 monitor - I've got it running "Assist09", the
|
|
monitor in the Motorola manual, just fine, but frankly, it stinks. :^)
|
|
|
|
So, anyone have any ideas?
|
|
|
|
Ben Williams
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 17356 S11/OS9/6809 (Non-CoCo)
|
|
10-Jan-93 23:20:15
|
|
Sb: #17346-#Monitor? Flex? OS9?
|
|
Fm: Tom Carey 71501,1544
|
|
To: blackbelt 76004,1771 (X)
|
|
|
|
Ben.
|
|
I have Psymon for the SWTP 6809. I think it is Rom. If that is any help let me
|
|
know. I still have the old SWTP machine. I never got OS9 to run on it. I
|
|
always had hopes.
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 17358 S11/OS9/6809 (Non-CoCo)
|
|
11-Jan-93 23:48:19
|
|
Sb: #17356-Monitor? Flex? OS9?
|
|
Fm: blackbelt 76004,1771
|
|
To: Tom Carey 71501,1544
|
|
|
|
That would be a huge help - in fact, how would you like to sell that SWTP,
|
|
with goodies and etc? I'll be happy to swap some $$$ for it; DO you have
|
|
Flex for it, or something else? We can carry this on EMAIL, that would be
|
|
fine with me.
|
|
|
|
CIS always seems to come through, doesn't it - I love this network, it's
|
|
the best there is, period, end of story (and I do tech support for our
|
|
company on BIX, the Internet, Portal, our own company BBS and Genie... I
|
|
have some measuring sticks to compare by!)
|
|
|
|
--Ben
|
|
...via AutoPilot
|
|
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|
|
#: 17347 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
|
08-Jan-93 23:33:22
|
|
Sb: It's Kevin!
|
|
Fm: blackbelt 76004,1771
|
|
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227
|
|
|
|
Kevin! Here you are... :^) Tried to call you the other day (see my message here
|
|
in sec 11 for details) but the phone # I had was too old. Glad you're still
|
|
floating around, I am. :^)
|
|
|
|
How about emailing me your new particulars so I can chatter at you?
|
|
|
|
Ben
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|
|
|
#: 17353 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
|
10-Jan-93 09:54:33
|
|
Sb: #17008-atari osk u.k.
|
|
Fm: David George 72240,134
|
|
To: PaulSeniura 76476,464
|
|
|
|
I have an Atari Mega ST 2 with the OSK 2.2 (Microware version) that does
|
|
support the ICD host adapter (nothing special was required). I have the
|
|
ICD adapter with the clock on it (trouble is no OSK driver for it, also
|
|
no driver for the clock that is on the Mega motherboard). Microware only
|
|
supports the 520ST and the 1040ST although it will work on the other ST's.
|
|
Also the Microware version does use the ST BIOS.
|
|
|
|
#: 17355 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
|
10-Jan-93 22:22:10
|
|
Sb: a teaser
|
|
Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
|
|
To: all
|
|
|
|
Re: CD-ROMS - here is a teaser ;)
|
|
|
|
rmcd2: cdrcat
|
|
Root Directory Listing:
|
|
Directory(/):
|
|
flags size date sysa name
|
|
-d---- 2048 1991-01-08 13:36:42 26 .
|
|
-d---- 2048 1991-01-08 13:36:42 26 ..
|
|
-d---- 2048 1991-01-08 13:42:39 26 DISCPASS
|
|
--a--- 335244 1990-12-21 17:44:34 26 DISCPASSAGE.;1
|
|
-d---- 12288 1991-01-08 13:42:40 26 DP
|
|
------ 1870 1990-09-20 12:37:08 26 INSTALL.BAT;1
|
|
------ 575616 1990-12-24 09:27:42 26 MENUTEXT.DAT;1
|
|
------ 32400 1990-12-24 09:28:00 26 MENUTEXT.IDX;1
|
|
------ 1339 1990-12-23 22:37:18 26 MSGTEXT.;1
|
|
------ 307978 1990-06-22 13:33:30 26 PUBLISH.SCF;1
|
|
------ 119747 1990-12-21 16:38:56 26 USH.EXE;1
|
|
-d---- 2048 1991-01-08 15:36:42 26 USHIST
|
|
Pathname to open? : ushist
|
|
Directory(ushist):
|
|
flags size date sysa name
|
|
-d---- 2048 1991-01-08 15:36:42 26 .
|
|
-d---- 2048 1991-01-08 13:36:42 26 ..
|
|
------ 8192 1990-12-23 21:22:30 26 AUTHORS.IDX;1
|
|
------ 12012 1990-12-23 21:21:52 26 AUTHORS.MAS;1
|
|
------ 32768 1990-12-23 21:22:38 26 SUBJECTS.IDX;1
|
|
------ 120403 1990-12-23 21:22:08 26 SUBJECTS.MAS;1
|
|
------ 30720 1990-12-23 21:22:46 26 TITLES.IDX;1
|
|
------ 104816 1990-12-23 21:22:20 26 TITLES.MAS;1
|
|
------ 806912 1990-12-23 12:02:20 26 WORDS.IDX;1
|
|
------ 15129617 1990-12-23 11:26:32 26 WORDS.MAS;1
|
|
Pathname to open? :
|
|
rmcd2:
|
|
|
|
#: 17359 S15/Hot Topics
|
|
12-Jan-93 05:02:39
|
|
Sb: CD-I in Trouble
|
|
Fm: Eric Crichlow 71051,3516
|
|
To: All
|
|
|
|
|
|
Just back from a Vegas Consumer Electronics Show that was very interesting
|
|
(and somewhat disturbing.)
|
|
|
|
Conspicuous by their absence was Philips, with CD-I. Surprising, at least
|
|
to me, since they've actually started promoting it in tv ads yet they don't
|
|
show up to the first, and probably the biggest trade show of the year.
|
|
|
|
This bodes especially badly since one of the biggest displays at the show
|
|
was Panasonic, which has joined forces with a company whose name escapes me, to
|
|
produce a product called, if memory serves me correctly, 3D-O. Basically 3D-O
|
|
is, well ... CD-I. It basically has everything that CD-I does, except that it
|
|
uses a 32 bit RISC processor made by a company that I've never heard of, and it
|
|
doesn't (at least I don't think) use our favorite Op Sys. Its got expansion
|
|
ports on it for *possible* future expansion into a computer. And Panasonic
|
|
seems to be pretty strong in support of it as they have already contracted with
|
|
over 60 software companies to produce CD titles for it.
|
|
|
|
Probably the most discouraging thing about the show was seeing the
|
|
incredible detail, work, and quality that are apparent in the upcoming crop of
|
|
computer and CD games and software products. Disturbing because it became
|
|
apparent to me that the single, or even dou or trio of programmers can't hope
|
|
to produce anything competive with, or even remotely interesting in comparison
|
|
with the stuff being brought out by the big companies with teams of
|
|
programmers. Make no doubt about it, the stuff coming out on CD in the next
|
|
year is unbelieveable.
|
|
|
|
..Eric...
|
|
|
|
P.S. As an aside, at least somebody out there is using CD-I. I just today
|
|
discovered that the Ramada Reservation Center (where I work) is using a Philips
|
|
CD-I player to familiarize its agents with the hotels they're selling. Go
|
|
Ramada!
|
|
|
|
#: 17370 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
|
14-Jan-93 18:11:42
|
|
Sb: Termcap
|
|
Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
|
|
To: David George 72240,134
|
|
|
|
David, I finally got around to printing a copy of the termcap file you
|
|
uploaded. I notice that some of the entries have a (G), * or ** (and
|
|
combinations) appended to the end of the line. Ummm, what does this mean?
|
|
|
|
BTW, this is really very comprehensive. Seems to cover printers and modems as
|
|
well as some pretty fancy terminals.
|
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Press <CR> !> |