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29729 26-MAY 01:43 Telcom
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RE: KBCom (Re: Msg 29721)
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From: EDDIEKUNS To: ZACKSESSIONS
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Hehehe.... still working on the commercial version! Making really good progress
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lately. Biggest thing waiting: autodialer.
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Eddie
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29739 26-MAY 11:36 Telcom
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RE: KBCom (Re: Msg 29729)
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From: ZACKSESSIONS To: EDDIEKUNS
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I hope you get the script language working good, too. We need a good term
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program which has good scripting capabilities.
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Zack
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29761 27-MAY 12:45 Telcom
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RE: KBCom (Re: Msg 29739)
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From: EDDIEKUNS To: ZACKSESSIONS
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Well, scripting is pretty low in my list right now. Too much else to finish up.
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Eventually, KBCom will come with nice scripting. Also, I'll document how it
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works so if you don't like it, you can write your own!
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I'm quickly running out of time tho!
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Eddie
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29730 26-MAY 01:51 Programmers Den
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RE: BALLS.C (Re: Msg 29699)
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From: NES To: GREGL
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Greg, thanx got it goning.. NES
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29731 26-MAY 01:51 Programmers Den
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RE: BALLS.C (Re: Msg 29722)
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From: NES To: DODGECOLT
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thanx for the help NES
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End of Thread.
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29732 26-MAY 02:00 Programmers Den
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Planet Engine
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From: NES To: ALL
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I just got my copy of the new program Planet Engine for os9 level 2 from Gravity
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Studio. Qeston is there anyone out there have it running. I get the MV menu,
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and it draw's part of the screen, but when it starts to place the stars and
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planet's start getting an error 194 (bad/undefined buffer
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number... anyone had this problem? there Manual look's sharp, and the menu's are
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ok, but the error 194 keep it from working right have sent them a letter about
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this but hope maybe someone out there has had the same trouble...
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NES
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29733 26-MAY 02:07 Programmers Den
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MV menu
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From: NES To: ALL
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Hay can you use a Framed window with scroll bar's as a overlay menu? do you need
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to define it like the main Framed window? I have it set up like this: owset
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t
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(size and stuff) _ss_wset(0,WT_FSWIN,0); or should it have
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_ss_wset(0,WT_FSWIN,&MENU)... where MENU is defined like the window menu's are
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set??? NES
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29734 26-MAY 05:22 Programmers Den
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digitising sound
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From: THEFERRET To: OS9UGPRES (NR)
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Is there an "easy" way (in other words, without buying stuff) to digitise sound
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through the serial port? And more importantly, is there a prog that does it?
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I've "search"ed the os9 and coco databases, but no luck
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29735 26-MAY 07:10 Telcom
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RE: DCM212 and RS-232pak (Re: Msg 29727)
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From: BILLBEISSERT To: CHYDE
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Well, I found the problem to be a bad connection at the RS-232 Pak end of the
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cable...*P*poor manufacturing. I bumped the cable while online with a local BBS
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and it died (no echo) so I wiggled the wiggle out of it and things came back to
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life. I've replaced the connector (original was molded onto the cable and wires
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not soldered!) with one from Radio Shack and things are okay and hunky-dory.
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Didn't expect anything like that. I will definitely replace the connector on the
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other end first chance. Thanks for your help anyway. Bill
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29736 26-MAY 10:09 General Information
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MPI
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From: TEDJAEGER To: OS9UGPRES (NR)
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Kevin, I think I really need some expert advise! Off and on for about 6 months
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I have been trying to get my CoCo in a AT case. The hangup has been replacing my
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old (large) MPI with another product. I have tried two Slot Paks but both failed
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after a couple of hours of use. More recently I have acquired a small MPI. While
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the Slot Pak would switch the SCS line appropriately for my RS HD interface and
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RS floppy controller, the small MPI that I have now will not allow me to boot my
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hard drive. I'm really puzzled because my old (large) MPI works fine with
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exactly the same cards installed and using the same boot disk. I just paid dear
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Tandy $30.00 to upgrade my newer (small) MPI for CoCo 3 use bu that did not
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solve the problem. Here are my efforts to diagnose: --When I first got the MPI
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it would not boot my HD although it would boot an all floppy os9 system.
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Suspecting slot #3 (where the RS HD interface must go) might be bad, I stuck a
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game cartridge in it and it worked fine. So I decided to do the satellite
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upgrade figuring maybe it really was necessary with a RS HD interface. --When
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the upgraded MPI would not work, I started wondering about the BLOB. I shortened
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my HD cable (which was about 4 feet long) to 18 inches. No help. Then I made a
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new boot disk with /h0 reconfigured as /hd (thanks, Zack). I thought this would
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get me around any BLOB centered boot up problem and then I could access the HD
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as /hd. I confirmed that this worked with my old (large) MPI. I inserted the new
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(small) MPI and the system booted but any attempt to access the HD produces
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error 240 - unit error. --Next, I tried booting a floppy os9 system with the
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floppy controller in slot #3 and the HD interface out of the system. When I
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selected slot #3 with the switch on the front of the MPI case, this worked. So
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next I left the floppy controller in slot #3, used the switch to select slot #4,
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poked 65407, 34 to software select slot #3, did an EXEC &HC000, to bring up DISK
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BASIC, and booted a floppy OS9 system OK. Figured this meant that the MPI can
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software select slot #3 as is must do when the OS9 hard drive system boots. --
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Finally, for what it is worth, I booted the floppy system with the controller in
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slot #4 and my RS232 card in slot 1 and successsfully ran SuperComm. I gues this
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means the interrupts are working.
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The other observation I can share is that there does seem to be some elctrical
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difference between my old and new MPI because, at power up, this happens. My HD
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and two floppies are mounted in an AT case and powered by an AT supply. My CoCo
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and MPI are on my desk and powered by their own supplies. My power up process is
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to first turn on the AT power supply and let the HD come up to speed, then turn
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on the MPI and CoCo by flipping the switch on a six-outlet power bar. With the
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newer MPI, when I turn on the AT supply the access light on /d1 glows
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continuously, until I turn on the MPI and CoCo power. This does not happen with
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the old MPI installed.
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My brain is broke and I really want to put all of this stuff in my AT case. Any
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ideas as to what is going on? What is error 240 suppose to mean?
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Thanks, TedJaeger
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29737 26-MAY 10:11 General Information
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MPI failure
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From: TEDJAEGER To: ZACKSESSIONS
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Zack, I think I really need some expert advise! Off and on for about 6 months I
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have been trying to get my CoCo in a AT case. The hangup has been replacing my
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old (large) MPI with another product. I have tried two Slot Paks but both failed
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after a couple of hours of use. More recently I have acquired a small MPI. While
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the Slot Pak would switch the SCS line appropriately for my RS HD interface and
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RS floppy controller, the small MPI that I have now will not allow me to boot my
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hard drive. I'm really puzzled because my old (large) MPI works fine with
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exactly the same cards installed and using the same boot disk. I just paid dear
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Tandy $30.00 to upgrade my newer (small) MPI for CoCo 3 use bu that did not
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solve the problem. Here are my efforts to diagnose: --When I first got the MPI
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it would not boot my HD although it would boot an all floppy os9 system.
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Suspecting slot #3 (where the RS HD interface must go) might be bad, I stuck a
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game cartridge in it and it worked fine. So I decided to do the satellite
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upgrade figuring maybe it really was necessary with a RS HD interface. --When
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the upgraded MPI would not work, I started wondering about the BLOB. I shortened
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my HD cable (which was about 4 feet long) to 18 inches. No help. Then I made a
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new boot disk with /h0 reconfigured as /hd (thanks, Zack). I thought this would
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get me around any BLOB centered boot up problem and then I could access the HD
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as /hd. I confirmed that this worked with my old (large) MPI. I inserted the new
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(small) MPI and the system booted but any attempt to access the HD produces
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error 240 - unit error. --Next, I tried booting a floppy os9 system with the
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floppy controller in slot #3 and the HD interface out of the system. When I
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selected slot #3 with the switch on the front of the MPI case, this worked. So
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next I left the floppy controller in slot #3, used the switch to select slot #4,
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poked 65407, 34 to software select slot #3, did an EXEC &HC000, to bring up DISK
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BASIC, and booted a floppy OS9 system OK. Figured this meant that the MPI can
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software select slot #3 as is must do when the OS9 hard drive system boots. --
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Finally, for what it is worth, I booted the floppy system with the controller in
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slot #4 and my RS232 card in slot 1 and successsfully ran SuperComm. I gues this
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means the interrupts are working.
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The other observation I can share is that there does seem to be some elctrical
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difference between my old and new MPI because, at power up, this happens. My HD
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and two floppies are mounted in an AT case and powered by an AT supply. My CoCo
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and MPI are on my desk and powered by their own supplies. My power up process is
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to first turn on the AT power supply and let the HD come up to speed, then turn
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on the MPI and CoCo by flipping the switch on a six-outlet power bar. With the
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newer MPI, when I turn on the AT supply the access light on /d1 glows
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continuously, until I turn on the MPI and CoCo power. This does not happen with
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the old MPI installed.
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My brain is broke and I really want to put all of this stuff in my AT case. Any
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ideas as to what is going on? What is error 240 suppose to mean?
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Thanks, TedJaeger
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29740 26-MAY 11:39 General Information
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RE: MPI failure (Re: Msg 29737)
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From: ZACKSESSIONS To: TEDJAEGER
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Let me absorb this offline and get back to you.
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Zack
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ps, to anyone else who reads Ted plea, if you can also help, PLEASE DO!!! <grin>
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29741 26-MAY 14:03 General Information
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RE: MPI failure (Re: Msg 29737)
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From: ZACKSESSIONS To: TEDJAEGER
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Ted,
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Wow, I wouldn't wish anyone to be having the problems you're having! btw, I
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apologize about the MPI I was supposed to get for you, I have given up on the
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guy and torn up your check.
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I am in no way a hardware guru, so I would also be scratching my head if I had
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the same situation to deal with as you. But I may be able to offer some
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observations.
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First of all, 4 feet does seem rather long for a hd cable. I think the key here
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is that with your hd configured as /hd, you get a 240 error when attempting to
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access it. And changing the device name from /h0 to /hd does nothing to help a
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potential BLOB problem. The main thing you can do about the BLOB is to rearrange
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modules in your bootlist so that all RBF related modules are located in the same
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bank of memory. It's been explained to me twice, but I still don't fully
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remember exactly how this is done. I know how to move modules around, but I
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forgot just where they should be. I do know that you need to look at a "mdir e"
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command output and the RBF modules (RBF, all RBF device drivers and descriptor
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modules) should not overflow from one major number in the second column to the
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next.
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Chris Burke knows this in and out, he helped me, but I use his CoCo-XTC. You're
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problem may also be related to you using the RS HD controller and driver.
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One last thing, the situation you mention about the access light staying on on
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your floppy until you power up the MPI sounds strange. I never noticed that
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situation on my system.
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I noticed you also sent the same message to Kev, he will be better able to fully
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explain what a 240 error is and what could possibly causing it.
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Zack
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29743 26-MAY 17:47 General Information
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RE: MPI failure (Re: Msg 29741)
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From: TEDJAEGER To: ZACKSESSIONS
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Thanks for taking an interest, Zack. Since I could boot fine with my HD
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configured as /hd and still could not access the hard drive through the small
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MPI, I figured that I had at least avoided the BLOB and, given the continuing
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failure to access the hard drive, something must still be messed up in the MPI.
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I will take a look at where my boot modules are with mdir. --Bests, TedJaeger
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29738 26-MAY 10:45 Telcom
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RE: wizpro (Re: Msg 29676)
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From: OS9UGED To: LEFKA (NR)
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Hmmmm I'll need some more info then. Exactly what is in your AIF, it should say:
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"icons/wiz" "95" "2" "80" "24" "1" "0".
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29742 26-MAY 16:19 General Information
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RE: Drive cable mod. for 4 drives (Re: Msg 27182)
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From: RANDYADER To: DODGECOLT
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The interface goes between the controller and the drives. It's supposed three
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drive select lines into four lines and the side select line goes straight
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through. I had a problem of selecting the drives but found I had wires the chip
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wrong. My problem now is getting the drives to turn on and rotate - the drive
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activity light comes on but not the drive. Also to access the extra drive I have
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modified the CC3DISK driver and
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Ext. ADOS3.
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29744 26-MAY 21:49 Users Group
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RE: MOTD (Re: Msg 29582)
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From: OS9BERT To: OS9UGED (NR)
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I did get it, thank you!
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(o) (o)
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Bert Schneider
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29745 26-MAY 22:05 General Information
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Circuit Cellar Ink
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From: OS9BERT To: ALL
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This letter just appeared in the June/July 1990 Circuit Cellar magazine:
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OF 6800s AND DAAs
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I know this is late, but I agree with Chuck Yerkes's letter in Circuit
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Cellar INK #11. I think it's important not to ignore the 6502 and 6800 family
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trees.
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My interest in the 6502 arose when BYTE was two months old, when the
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magazine ran an article on the CPU. Knowing nothing about software, what
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attracted me to the 6502 was its cheap price. It took me about three years (you
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might say I grew up with BYTE), but when I did get a computer, it used the 6502.
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I've stayed with the 6502/6800 tress since then. Sure, I bought a Model 100
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laptop, but don't program on it because the mnemonics look funny. And how much
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easier it would be to program if it used a 6809 with its relocatable machine
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language, instead of the 8085 which dosen't even have relative branches.
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I also thought that it was important that [Mr. Yerkes] mentioned OS9.
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SUupposedly it is quite popular in industry, especially as part of controllers,
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but the popular computing press has fairly ignored it. But I did see one
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article in a UNIX magazine about a year ago, which included it because they were
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discussing alternative operating systems for when UNIX isn't fast enough.
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Having used OS9 as an operating system for appications in my Color
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Computer, I'm now starting to see its usefulness in controller applications.
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Instead of going the mainstream 80x86 route, with its ever-increasing demand for
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higher speeds and more memory, it seems much more valid to expand my system by
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offloading various features to their own litte microprocessors. The features
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that make OS9 good, its relocatability, ROMability, small size, and ability to
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load correct versions of modules and ignore erlier version will make this task
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easy. I haven't yet decided whether I'll leave OS9 in the "coprocessors" or
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replace it with simpler code once the main code has been finished........
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.........
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Michael Black Montreal, Quebec
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We all love OS9, but more folks know something about the intel set of micros
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than the moto set. Same with operating systems. More folks know about MS-DOS
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(some even think it is the ONLY operating system). This is similar to the two
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video formats, BETA and VHS. BETA was far superior, which one do you think Joe
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Public chose?
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29756 27-MAY 11:17 General Information
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RE: Circuit Cellar Ink (Re: Msg 29745)
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From: 6809ER To: OS9BERT (NR)
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About a year ago SRB Software started a new line of computer products based
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on hardware devices. (Maybe we should change our name to SRB Hardware, grin!)
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Anyway, we needed a micro-controler chip and in place of the Intel line we
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are using a 6801/6803 from Moto{ola. This chip is based on the 6800 with a few
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new commands (like LDD and MUL) so it looked a little bit more like a 6809. But
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the micro-comtroler's built-in u!hardware device are what sold us on the chip.
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Things like Serial port, Programable timer, built in ram and PIA ports cut down
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on the other suport chips needed by our hand held computer device. All total,
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the Mileage Computer only has 7 ICs including the power supply and fits on a 3
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by 5 PC board.
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This on designer you don't have to tell twice about Motorola!
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Steve Bjork, SRB Software
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P.S. the Intel version of the software would have been 35% bigger! Another cost
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savings of the 6801/3 chip!
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29746 26-MAY 22:17 Users Group
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RE: Advent (Re: Msg 29543)
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From: OS9BERT To: EASYSINGLES
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You may need to patch the original program to recognize the hard drive. I think
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the original program used the path "/d0/misc" instead of the /h0 path listing.
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If you have modpatch or patch, you can patch the program. Just do a dump to find
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out where in the program you will find any "/d0" entries. Make sure you update
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the CRC as well. If you are still having problems, I'll look up the files
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myself and upload a scipt for modpatch for you.
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Bert Schneide
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29760 27-MAY 12:31 Users Group
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RE: Advent (Re: Msg 29746)
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From: EASYSINGLES To: OS9BERT (NR)
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Thanks for the reply. I used dEd to change that path problem, but still can't
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get it to work. I changed all occurance of /d0 to /h0. put the data files in
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can't open /h0/misc/advent2.dat Fatal error number 200 which means Path table
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full.
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I have even tried it on floppy with the original file. Still the same errors. I
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would really appreciate any help you can give. Thank you very much. Bob Dorrell
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29747 26-MAY 22:21 General Information
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RE: ROBOT ODYESSY I (Re: Msg 29562)
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From: OS9BERT To: WAYNELAIRD (NR)
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It comes with some sample files to use for some of the chips. Also, have you
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tried to get Robot Odyessy to work under level two? I would sure like to get
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mine to work under level two.
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Bert Schneider
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29749 27-MAY 02:21 General Information
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RE: Questions (Re: Msg 29572)
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From: KENHALTER To: TIMKOONCE (NR)
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Thanks again for your great reply Tim... You ain't kiddin' about the marketing
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for msdos machines. Any one that owns a CoCo knows what a little marketing could
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do! Wouldn't it be great if we could go down to the mall or local record store
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and take your pick of just about everything you see that has anything to do with
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computers?!
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I went down and picked up one of those modem paks. I haven't used it yet tho...
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Is there any way of getting around that darned 300 bps modem and just send
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output to an external 1200 bps modem?
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Boy! I'm sure glad it was only $9.95! Ken Halter
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29750 27-MAY 02:21 General Information
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RE: Questions (Re: Msg 29566)
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From: KENHALTER To: ZACKSESSIONS
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Thanks for your reply on the development sys. Now.... What the heck does RMA
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stand for?
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Thanks again. Ken Halter
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29757 27-MAY 11:55 General Information
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RE: Questions (Re: Msg 29750)
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From: ZACKSESSIONS To: KENHALTER (NR)
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RMA -> Relocating Macro Assembler
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It is more versatile than the ASM assembler with Level 1. It generates ROFs
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(Relocatable Object Files) which then need to be linked using the RLINK linker
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to create a memory module suitible for loading and running. It also supports
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lots of other goodies not supported by ASM.
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Zack
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End of Thread.
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29751 27-MAY 02:28 Applications
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RE: Sculptor (Re: Msg 29633)
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From: CIZZIJR To: GENEDEAL (NR)
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Gene,
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you want to adjust the number of lines in the vdu file, not the pvdu file.
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This should get your screen formats correct.
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I have to simply databases set up, one keeps track of vacation request for the
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people who report to me. The other keeps track of game cartridges that I clean
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for a video store in my area. I hope, when I find time, to expand the database
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for the vaction request so it looks up in a personal file database the senority
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date of the person, calculates their total vacation time, then reports the
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time available and the time remaining for vacation.
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Carmen
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P.S. Because of the limited amount of free time I have available, it is hard
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for me to get online with Delphi. So expect delays in responses from me.
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Also the example included with sculptor is excellant. Type it in and modify
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it, this will allow you to see what you can do and can't do with sculptor,
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along the way it becomes easier to work with sculptor.
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29752 27-MAY 03:26 General Information
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Shell+
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From: BRIANWHITE To: EDDIEKUNS
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Eddie,
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I don't know if you've gotten a reply to your Shell+ message yet. I'm forced to
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be a week between reading messages and posting replies, so if you've already
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heard this from Kev or someone else, sorry!
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As far as I can tell, the priority change won't work on anything that does disk
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i/o as soon as it starts. IOMan bumps up the priority of these proceses so they
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get serviced faster, and restores the original priority when the task finishes.
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It would see m that Shell+ resets the priority of the process (via a F$SPrior
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call) while IOMan has made this change, so when the disk access finishes, IOMan
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restores the original (before the Shell+ change) value. What should have been
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done is that Shell+ changes it s OWN priority, forks the process and then
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restores its OWN priority.
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And while we are on the subject of Shell+ and bugs, there are a few other
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annoying things I'd like to point out to whomever might be listening. Somebody
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may even want to pass this message on to the authors of Shell+ because I don't
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believe they can be f ound here on Delphi.
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1) If your prompt default includes the current path, Shell+ ALWAYS get's this
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path upon during its initialization. Very annoying with any program that calls
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shell to execute each command (like make) because Shell+ spends a few seconds
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getting the PWD e ach time it is called. Remedy: Only get the PWD on the first
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time it needs to be displayed.
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2) There is no way to pass command line variables to shell scripts. Remedy:
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Have Shell+ assign any parameters to shell variables %%0 to %%9 when starting
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up.
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3) Shell+ refuses to start a process with less than 31 pages of memory. Shell+
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should check the optional "#nK" param against the value in the module header,
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not against #31! That way a process would still default to 8k, but you could
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override this by forking it with an option of, say, "#2k". Thus most of the
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problems with this additional memory could be overcome. And besides, why not
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use 32 instead of 31?
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4) CHD (CD) commands always update the "last modified" date and time of that
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directory. My home-made nightly backup program (a Shell+ script) always backs
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up every directory I changed to that day. Remedy: Only open a directory
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(I$ChgDir) with modes o f "Read." or "Read.+Exec." This works just as well as
|
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including "Write." There are no problems with writing to a directory you have
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write permission to when the CHD is performed in this manner. (The original
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Shell also unneccessarily includes the "Wri te.") This minor change also allows
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other people with different user numbers to CHD to a directory of which have
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public read access but not public write access. Other users can read files, but
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cannot write to that directory without public write. This is how CHD/CHX was
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meant to be used. Note: This goes for ALL programs, not just Shell+!!!
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5) One more addition to the set priority (^) character. How about allowing a
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relative priority such as "^+10" or "^-50".
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6) Shell+ needs the ability to escape any character for passing to the program
|
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it forks. For this I suggest the backslash ("\") character because it seems to
|
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be the most common for other shells. Any character directly following a
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backslash, including another backslash, would be passed directly to the new
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process without interpretation by Shell+
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7) Shell+ seems to go through the trouble of expanding lines even while
|
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searching through the script as the result of a GOTO statement. This caused an
|
|
error in one of my scripts that checked for a second hard drive. Because it
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wasn't there, errors occ urred expanding paths to that second drive while a GOTO
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was skipping the whole routine.
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8) Allow a method of not echoing lines in a shell script. The MS-Dos shell has
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this in that any line preceeded by an asperand ("@") is not echoed to the
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terminal. Not that this is all that neccessary because as a default, echo is
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off, where in the Mes sy-Dos world, it defaults to on.
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9) A history of the last few commands executed (like the UNIX cshell has) would
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be very useful. A "h" command to view the last 10 commands and the ability to
|
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execute any of them with a line like "!14" to execute command number 14. Of
|
|
course a line lik e "!14.c" would execute command #14 appending ".c" to its end.
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The expanded line would them be stored as command #?? for later reference. The
|
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current command line number should also be able to be displayed in the current
|
|
prompt.
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10) A true alias ability would be nice. Again, much like the unix command, it
|
|
should be something like "alias ls dir -e". Then, whenever the user typed "ls",
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|
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the shell would expand it into "dir -e". (EVERYTHING after the the alias name
|
|
is aliased to that name).
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Maybe these changes could be included in the next release of Shell+ to further
|
|
improve one of the greatest improvements OS-9 has seen yet.
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Brian
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29758 27-MAY 11:58 General Information
|
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RE: Shell+ (Re: Msg 29752)
|
|
From: ZACKSESSIONS To: BRIANWHITE (NR)
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The UN*X alias command has been ported to OS9 Level 2 by Tim Koonce. It is in
|
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our Utilities lib. I have it and it works quite well.
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Other than that, you have great ideas about improvements to Shell+.
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Zack
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29762 27-MAY 13:02 General Information
|
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RE: Shell+ (Re: Msg 29752)
|
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From: EDDIEKUNS To: BRIANWHITE (NR)
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I agree with most of your comments. But.
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|
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No, NO, *NO* UNIX-style history, PLEASE! It has only a few redeeming values:
|
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!more to rerun the most recent command beginning with 'more'
|
|
!-5 execute the 5th most recent command
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|
|
But that's IT! If you want to rerun a command with a new file, UNIX-style
|
|
history is woefully inadaquite. Yes, it can be done if you can remember the
|
|
arcane syntax!
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I propose that any new shell use a more VMS-style history mechanism. You hit
|
|
the up-arrow to get the previous command, and can then edit that command as you
|
|
wish, or hit another up-arrow to get the command before that... When I worked a
|
|
couple summers on MSDOS <blech> machines, I found this wonder PD program which
|
|
installed this kind of command-line editing. It got to where I couldn't work
|
|
without it! I wouldn't mind having both available, but without VMS-style
|
|
history, I'm going to be forced to write my own shell from scratch. (On which
|
|
case I'll wait for the MM/1 and write it to run on that, as it will be a while
|
|
before I have the time.)
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You probably hadn't guessed that I feel strongly about this! :) I just find
|
|
UNIX command-line history clumsy and arcane, and the shell interface is about
|
|
the most important in the entire machine.
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Eddie
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29769 27-MAY 16:02 General Information
|
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RE: Shell+ (Re: Msg 29762)
|
|
From: ZACKSESSIONS To: EDDIEKUNS (NR)
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|
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I agree with you on the command line history. Basically what we need is the same
|
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|
|
kind of command line editing Kevin's SCF patch gives us, with the ability to go
|
|
back more than just one command. A new internal shell command which is analogous
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|
|
to the VMS RECALL command would also be nice. In case you weren't aware, Ron
|
|
Lammardo has put some command line history code in a new version of Shell+, but
|
|
it hasn't been released yet, cuz it was intended to be part of the "Level 2
|
|
Upgrade".
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Zack
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End of Thread.
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29753 27-MAY 03:27 General Information
|
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6551 + 4in1
|
|
From: BRIANWHITE To: DISTO (NR)
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|
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Tony,
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|
|
Just thought I'd let you know that I finally got around to replacing the 6551 in
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|
|
my 4in1 and now it seems to work just perfectly. Let's see, it's only been 1
|
|
year since I bought your beautiful card, during which I've only blown the 5v
|
|
regulator, broken a few traces, and replaced the rs232 jack... Do you think
|
|
warranty would reimberse me for the 6551??? I didn't think so. <smile>
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|
Brian
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29754 27-MAY 03:27 General Information
|
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Stuff for Sale
|
|
From: BRIANWHITE To: ALL
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|
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FFFFF OOO RRRR SSSS AAA L EEEEE
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F O O R R S A A L E
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FFF O O RRRR SSS AAAAA L EEEE
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F O O R R S A A L E
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|
F OOO R R SSSS A A LLLLL EEEEE
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|
|
It's moving time, so here's a bunch of stuff that I just can't aford to move
|
|
around any more. (Moving every 4 months gets expensive.) Rather than just
|
|
throwing it out, I thought I'd see if anyone else was interested in it. All
|
|
things are in good condi tion. I don't want any specific amount for anything.
|
|
I'll take best offer.
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|
Brian C. White
|
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( BRIANWHITE )
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Hardware:
|
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---------
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Color Computer 1 (64k, ECB 1.1, improved keyboard)
|
|
Multi-Pak Interface (modified for CoCo-3)
|
|
Disto Super Controller I (with Real Time Clock and Parallel Port)
|
|
J & M JFD-CP Disk Controller (with Parallel Printer Port)
|
|
Tandy Floppy Drive Controller
|
|
FD501 Double Floppy Disk Drive (single sided, 40 tracks)
|
|
TRS-80 Modem I (Direct Conect, 300 baud)
|
|
TRS-80 Telephone Interface II (Acoustic Coupler, 300 baud)
|
|
2x CoCo 1 Chicklet keyboard
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|
|
OS-9 Level II Software:
|
|
-----------------------
|
|
OS-9 Level II
|
|
Deskmate 3
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|
|
OS-9 Level I Software:
|
|
----------------------
|
|
2x OS-9 Level I
|
|
Deskmate
|
|
Basic09
|
|
Hi-Res Screen Dump Utilities
|
|
Micro Illustrator
|
|
|
|
RS-Dos Software (on disk):
|
|
--------------------------
|
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Color Disk Edtasm
|
|
Color Disk Scripsit
|
|
Cash Budget Management
|
|
Trivia Fever
|
|
Flightsim I
|
|
Ghana Bwana
|
|
The Sands of Egypt
|
|
W3IWI Orbit Prediction Program (tape)
|
|
|
|
Program Paks:
|
|
-------------
|
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Chess
|
|
Project Nebula
|
|
Mega-Bug
|
|
Galactic Attack
|
|
Space Assault
|
|
Bustout
|
|
Bedlam
|
|
Cartridge Edtasm+
|
|
Cartridge Spectaculator
|
|
Art Gallery
|
|
|
|
Books/Magazines:
|
|
----------------
|
|
The Complete Rainbow Guide to OS-9
|
|
The Official BASIC09 Tour Guide
|
|
The Complete Rainbow Guide to OS-9 Level II
|
|
TRS-80 Color Computer Programs
|
|
TRS-80 Color Computer Space Adventures
|
|
Color Computer Graphics
|
|
TRS-80 Color Computer & MC-10 Programs
|
|
TRS-80 Color Computer Programmer's HandBook
|
|
Lots of back issues of Hot CoCo & TRS-80 Microcomputer News
|
|
The RAINBOW (02/86 -> Present)
|
|
80-Micro Magazines (various, most with CoCo stuff)
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|
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|
|
(All software comes with original disks and manuals)
|
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29755 27-MAY 10:49 General Information
|
|
RE: Stuff for Sale (Re: Msg 29754)
|
|
From: MPASSER To: BRIANWHITE (NR)
|
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|
|
How much do you want for one of those chiclet keyboards? I need a replacement
|
|
for my kids' Coco I.
|
|
Mike Passer
|
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29763 27-MAY 13:04 General Information
|
|
RE: Stuff for Sale (Re: Msg 29754)
|
|
From: EDDIEKUNS To: BRIANWHITE (NR)
|
|
|
|
Wow... one might think you're leaving the CoCo world! Hopefully that's not
|
|
true?
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|
Eddie
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End of Thread.
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29759 27-MAY 12:20 Telcom
|
|
RE: RiBBStrek (Re: Msg 29558)
|
|
From: EASYSINGLES To: WAYNELAIRD (NR)
|
|
|
|
Thanks for the reply, Wayne. I thought that might be the problem but was hoping
|
|
it would work on any BBS program. I already have the BBS list and my number is
|
|
one of them. The listing for CoCoMotion has my number. CoCoMotion was at my
|
|
number for about 2 months and is now at 916-392-COCO. I call my BBS "Edgar". I
|
|
named it that after seeing the movie "Electric Dreams". The computer in the
|
|
movie, named Edgar, took over the mans life and since I've gotten into OS9, my
|
|
computer has done the same. I felt the name was appropriate. Take a look
|
|
sometime. Like anything unders OS9, it is always changing and growing. Edgar is
|
|
at 916-392-8080 8-N-1 3/12/24 24 hrs. Bob Dorrell
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29764 27-MAY 13:26 Telcom
|
|
RE: list your bbs's (Re: Msg 29560)
|
|
From: EASYSINGLES To: WAYNELAIRD (NR)
|
|
|
|
My BBS is called, Edgar Phone 916-392-8080 baud 300/1200/2400 parameters
|
|
8/NONE/1 24 hours a day Support for RSDOS and OS9 Run under OS9 level 2 Quirks,
|
|
after you connect, You must hit <ENTER> then wait 2 seconds. if you get no
|
|
responce, hit <ENTER> again. This may be required as many as 4 or 5 times. The
|
|
TSMON is adjusting its baud rate.
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|
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|
29765 27-MAY 15:19 General Information
|
|
mpi failure
|
|
From: TEDJAEGER To: ZACKSESSIONS
|
|
|
|
Zack, I think I just understood something! About the BLOB, its not just a
|
|
problem that would cause a boot failure. It could make access to devices once
|
|
booted unreliable or impossible? Oh, another question. When Radio Shack went
|
|
from CoCo 1 to CoCo 2 they dropped the 12 volt usage. Is it possible that when
|
|
Radio Shack went from the old to the new MPI they dropped 12 volts and my RS HD
|
|
interface requires 12 volts. Thats an easy explanation (probably too easy) for
|
|
my hard drive failure with only the newer MPI. Bests, Ted
|
|
|
|
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|
|
29768 27-MAY 15:57 General Information
|
|
RE: mpi failure (Re: Msg 29765)
|
|
From: ZACKSESSIONS To: TEDJAEGER (NR)
|
|
|
|
Your understanding of the BLOB is correct, it only introduces unpredicatable
|
|
problems when accessing (mostly) floppy drives, most notably, the inability to
|
|
"hard" (physically) format a diskette.
|
|
|
|
Not sure about the 12V question, since I just got into CoCoing in the last few
|
|
years and I don't have service manuals to the various flavors of MPIs. Maybe
|
|
Marty, Bruce Isted or Kevin Darling can comment?
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|
|
|
Zack
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End of Thread.
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|
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29766 27-MAY 15:30 General Information
|
|
mpi failure
|
|
From: TEDJAEGER To: TIMKOONCE (NR)
|
|
|
|
Tim, I promised I let you know whether or not the upgrade of my MPI to work with
|
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|
|
CoCo 3 fixed my HD boot up problem. Well, here is my current situation: I think
|
|
I really need some expert advise! Off and on for about 6 months I have been
|
|
trying to get my CoCo in a AT case. The hangup has been replacing my old (large)
|
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|
|
MPI with another product. I have tried two Slot Paks but both failed after a
|
|
couple of hours of use. More recently I have acquired a small MPI. While the
|
|
Slot Pak would switch the SCS line appropriately for my RS HD interface and RS
|
|
floppy controller, the small MPI that I have now will not allow me to boot my
|
|
hard drive. I'm really puzzled because my old (large) MPI works fine with
|
|
exactly the same cards installed and using the same boot disk. I just paid dear
|
|
Tandy $30.00 to upgrade my newer (small) MPI for CoCo 3 use bu that did not
|
|
solve the problem. Here are my efforts to diagnose: --When I first got the MPI
|
|
it would not boot my HD although it would boot an all floppy os9 system.
|
|
Suspecting slot #3 (where the RS HD interface must go) might be bad, I stuck a
|
|
game cartridge in it and it worked fine. So I decided to do the satellite
|
|
upgrade figuring maybe it really was necessary with a RS HD interface. --When
|
|
the upgraded MPI would not work, I started wondering about the BLOB. I shortened
|
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|
|
my HD cable (which was about 4 feet long) to 18 inches. No help. Then I made a
|
|
new boot disk with /h0 reconfigured as /hd (thanks, Zack). I thought this would
|
|
get me around any BLOB centered boot up problem and then I could access the HD
|
|
as /hd. I confirmed that this worked with my old (large) MPI. I inserted the new
|
|
|
|
(small) MPI and the systeiMs/ted but any attempt to access the HD produces
|
|
error 240 - unit error. --Next, I tried booting a floppy os9 system with the
|
|
floppy controller in slot #3 and the HD interface out of the system. When I
|
|
selected slot #3 with the switch on the front of the MPI case, this worked. So
|
|
next I left the floppy controller in slot #3, used the switch to select slot #4,
|
|
|
|
poked 65407, 34 to software select slot #3, did an EXEC &HC000, to bring up DISK
|
|
|
|
BASIC, and booted a floppy OS9 system OK. Figured this meant that the MPI can
|
|
software select slot #3 as is must do when the OS9 hard drive system boots. --
|
|
Finally, for what it is worth, I booted the floppy system with the controller in
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slot #4 and my RS232 card in slot 1 and successsfully ran SuperComm. I gues this
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means the interrupts are working.
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The other observation I can share is that there does seem to be some elctrical
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difference between my old and new MPI because, at power up, this happens. My HD
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and two floppies are mounted in an AT case and powered by an AT supply. My CoCo
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and MPI are on my desk and powered by their own supplies. My power up process is
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to first turn on the AT power supply and let the HD come up to speed, then turn
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on the MPI and CoCo by flipping the switch on a six-outlet power bar. With the
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newer MPI, when I turn on the AT supply the access light on /d1 glows
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continuously, until I turn on the MPI and CoCo power. This does not happen with
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the old MPI installed.
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My brain is broke and I really want to put all of this stuff in my AT case. Any
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ideas as to what is going on? What is error 240 suppose to mean?
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Thanks, TedJaeger P.S. Having ruminated a couple of days, could it be that my HD
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interface requires 12 volts and that is not supplied by the newer MPI but is
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supplied by the older?
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29767 27-MAY 15:49 Programmers Den
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Debug
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From: THEFERRET To: ALL
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Is there any way to make it more Friendly, or is there another debugger (
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preferrably P.D.) somewhere? I miss ED/TASM's debug, with step-through, and
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printing what command you're on. Referring back to a print-out is such a pain
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P.B.
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29770 27-MAY 16:45 General Information
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RE: TSWORD_1 (Re: Msg 29706)
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From: VE3DAC To: OS9UGVP (NR)
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Thanks for the explanation. I think I may be the only TSWord user so Dale is
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looking at a pretty small market, grin. BCNU Merv
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29771 27-MAY 16:47 Patches
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RE: VI (Re: Msg 29673)
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From: VE3DAC To: RICKADAMS (NR)
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OK, then I'll delete VIPars too. It should save a second on startup. In talking
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about modpatch, I was refering to changing the two things left in VIPars, Tabs
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and TabMode. I assume each only requires a one byte patch. The T and L commands
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seem OK in my version of VI. Merv
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29772 27-MAY 18:16 General Information
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Sale
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From: ERIKS To: ALL
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I have to sell my COCO 3 now because I need the money.I have a 512k COCO 3,CM8
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monitor,FD502 disk drive,1200 baud modem,deluxe joystick and mouse and many
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other things.I wll sell for $350 or best offer.IF you are interested at all make
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me an offer and if I do not get a better one I will sell it to you.Send EMAIL to
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ERIKS
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Erik
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