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#: 6304 S10/Tandy CoCo
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25-Aug-90 03:47:36
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Sb: #6281-#B09 bug?
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Fm: Paul Kacprowicz 72057,345
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To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
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Yes, you're right. If it is a bug it would be in RBF. I originally thought it
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was related to Basic09 because the version of "login" that I am using updates a
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similar file while "proc" shows that the user (of login) is *other* than user
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#0. But after dissasembling login, I see that F$SUser is used to change the ID
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to 0 before accessing the file.
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I also tried the same test with a program written in C and found the results to
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be the same. So it is not limited to Basic09.
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Though I probably should have done this additional testing before leaving that
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message, the basic question of the timestamp not being updated is still, I
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would think, valid.
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#: 6308 S10/Tandy CoCo
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25-Aug-90 04:46:28
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Sb: #6304-B09 bug?
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: Paul Kacprowicz 72057,345 (X)
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Paul - I looked up the code in RBF, and the date is changed when the file is
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opened... no actual file data changes needed.
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The weird thing: this is done only if A) file opened with write mode on, and B)
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if you have permission to access the file.
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Now (A) makes sense of course, and you did have UPDATE (read/write). (B) also
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makes sense, but then the open should've failed altogether.
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So a successful open using your code should always update the time, at least as
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far as I can read from RBF internals. Strange!
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#: 6305 S10/Tandy CoCo
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25-Aug-90 03:48:21
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Sb: #6282-B09 bug?
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Fm: Paul Kacprowicz 72057,345
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To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
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Yes, the attributes of the file have been set as "---wr-wr" and the changes are
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written to the file no matter who the user is. (See James Jones' message and
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my reply to him.)
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#: 6306 S10/Tandy CoCo
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25-Aug-90 03:49:09
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Sb: #6283-#BIOS
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Fm: Paul Kacprowicz 72057,345
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To: bob hemedinger 76256,427 (X)
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Well Bob, the original guestion on this thread was how to disable the BIOS ROM
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on a HD controller for use with a Burke & Burke XT on a Y-cable. I have that
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setup on one computer.
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Another (dedicated BBS) has an SCII and B&B-XT in an MPI and I haven't had any
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problems with it. But I'm not familiar with the 4in1 board.
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I think that the port on the 4in1 is not adressed at $FF68. So to hazard a
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guess as to what your problem is, I'd say to check and see if there is a /t2
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descriptor on the CRC disk that came with the 4in1 board and use that one. Or
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check the manual to find the proper address and modify the stock descriptor if
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that's what you're using now.
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I hope it's a simple as that. Perhaps someone else with a setup like yours can
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jump in here with some help.
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#: 6334 S10/Tandy CoCo
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27-Aug-90 07:50:54
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Sb: #6306-BIOS
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Fm: bob hemedinger 76256,427
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To: Paul Kacprowicz 72057,345 (X)
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Unfortunately, it wasn't that simple. T2 works only when the SCII is plugged
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into the coco, in spite of the driver combinations I have used form the Disto
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module's disk that came with the 4/1 board. I read somewhere that I may have to
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patch a driver to get /t2 to run, but I've experimented with a y cable setup
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and may have take that route... at least I know that works.
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By the way, has anyone heard of/from Arizona Small Computer since they stopped
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advertising in the Rainbow?
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#: 6311 S6/Applications
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25-Aug-90 20:35:27
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Sb: #6199-#HARDware
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Fm: Richard Ries 76057,3534
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To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
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It's pretty simple (what the trainer expects on the serial line). The
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difficulty lies in getting BASIC09 to read back /t1 properly. I've had some
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problems using XTERM, which is the only commo pgm I know of that can access the
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bit- banger port. Rich
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#: 6331 S6/Applications
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26-Aug-90 23:03:24
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Sb: #6311-#HARDware
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Fm: edward langenback 73510,145
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To: Richard Ries 76057,3534 (X)
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need a comm program to access the bit banger? check out BANGER.AR
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in dl10, it has a drive that uses the bit banger and replacement
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/t1 & /t2 descriptors to use with it.
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it works, a little jerky in its action, but it does work.
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"KMA-68!!"
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>>>>>S S<<<<<
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#: 6406 S6/Applications
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30-Aug-90 21:50:37
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Sb: #6331-HARDware
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Fm: Richard Ries 76057,3534
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To: edward langenback 73510,145 (X)
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I'll check it out this weekend. Thanks, Rich
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#: 6312 S6/Applications
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25-Aug-90 20:38:00
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Sb: #6200-HARDware
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Fm: Richard Ries 76057,3534
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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Yeah, I'm starting to see just how difficult! I'll check out banger, however. I
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was hoping to keep my real 232 port free to talk with you guys, but I guess I
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shouldn't be so lazy <grin>! Rich
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#: 6313 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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25-Aug-90 21:01:26
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Sb: #6299-#OSK bootsplit avail?
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: Timothy J. Martin 71541,3611 (X)
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There were a few binary file editors here written in Basic09, and the UG lib
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has/had a crude one or two if memory serves. There was something floating
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about on UseNet that converted binary files to ascii, forked vi to work on it,
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and then made it binary again. Other than that I don't have anything. It has
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been on the list for a long time, but.......
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#: 6342 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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27-Aug-90 20:21:42
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Sb: #6313-#OSK bootsplit avail?
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Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
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To: [F] Tim Martin 71541,3611 (X)
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There is a program called DMP that I believe is available from the UG that is a
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binary file lister/editor, I use it all the time for simple stuff.
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I only have a binary out on my HD, I think I have the OSK C source at work if
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you would like me to drop you a copy via mail.
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I'll email you a copy of the binary in S-Record format, use "exbin" on it to
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convert it back to binary then use attr to make it executable.
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The only option is "-u" which means Update mode, If -u is not specified, you
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can't modify the file you're looking at and it works like a normal dump
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program. Entering a "?" while at the program command prompt will display the
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program's commands.
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Hope this is what you need.
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-J
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#: 6343 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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27-Aug-90 20:26:13
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Sb: #6342-#OSK bootsplit avail?
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Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
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To: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 (X)
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How do I specify-9 who the message is to when I use the REPLY command? I wanted
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the previous message to goto Timothy J. Martin, NOT Carl.
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Is there any way to change who the message is addressed to after you have
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posted it? I looked for a way via the HELP command here but didn't see
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anything that would let me do what I wanted.
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#: 6352 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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27-Aug-90 23:55:03
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Sb: #6343-#OSK bootsplit avail?
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 (X)
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Jay, no, no way for the user to change the target of a message after it's
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posted. Sysops can tho... I'll take care of it.
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I run into the same situation, and what I do is to do a Read Previous command
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to back up to the message I want to reply to. Ah, ok, you probably do also
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usually. You can however, delete any message you leave, so you could also
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capture your reply, delete it, then go back and reply to the correct message.
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best - kev
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#: 6372 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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28-Aug-90 21:12:41
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Sb: #6352-OSK bootsplit avail?
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Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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It's not replying to the wrong message that I have a problem with, its
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addressing the reply to the correct person at reply time so that they will
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recieve that nifty note when the logon to the forum telling them that they have
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a msg here.
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#: 6314 S1/General Interest
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25-Aug-90 21:28:43
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Sb: #BYTE OS9 T0 OS9000
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Fm: CRAIG WYNN 72125,466
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To: ALL
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The Sept 90 issue of BYTE their 15th Annual as a article on OS9000!
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It's proably the last time you'll ever see the Tandy Color Computer
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mentioned in a favorable light in the pages of this magazine...
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catch it while you can!
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#: 6379 S1/General Interest
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29-Aug-90 14:33:48
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Sb: #6314-BYTE OS9 T0 OS9000
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: CRAIG WYNN 72125,466 (X)
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Craig - that whole September issue of BYTE is quite interesting. Besides the
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article on OS-9000 (and the way it started with good words about the CoCo!),
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the interviews with dozens of industry people are good-reading.
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There are some dumb statements made by them, and some very thought-provoking
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ones, too. All in all, one BYTE which takes hours to read through!
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#: 6380 S1/General Interest
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29-Aug-90 14:44:43
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Sb: #6314-#BYTE OS9 T0 OS9000
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: CRAIG WYNN 72125,466 (X)
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PS: Will someone tell me why Microware didn't have an ad in this BYTE???! What
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a chance!
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Instead, a large QNX ad appears in the OS-9000 article section, right where QNX
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and OS-9000 is being compared, in fact. Auuuuuuuuuugh.
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#: 6381 S1/General Interest
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29-Aug-90 15:43:53
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Sb: #6380-#BYTE OS9 T0 OS9000
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Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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Cmon, Kevin. After all these years (I've been watching - I'm a long-term
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"lurker") and you still haven't figured out that there is no way to figure out
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Microware's Marketing "Strategy" (or is that Tragedy)?
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Mark
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#: 6382 S1/General Interest
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29-Aug-90 16:36:13
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Sb: #6381-#BYTE OS9 T0 OS9000
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X)
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<grin>
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or is that, <grimace>??
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I guess an ad wouldn't pay for itself in BYTE, most likely, but "showing the
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flag" is always worth something, methinks.
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#: 6398 S1/General Interest
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30-Aug-90 09:24:09
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Sb: #6382-#BYTE OS9 T0 OS9000
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Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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I get mad at MW's "attitude" about once a month now. (You should have heard our
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purchasing people thinking they were going to swing a deal. Now, THAT was
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funny!) We would have switched long ago, but the alternatives are such a pain
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in the neck to actually use. VxWorks? We don't need no stinking VxWorks!!
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Mark
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#: 6400 S1/General Interest
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30-Aug-90 10:43:22
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Sb: #6398-BYTE OS9 T0 OS9000
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X)
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<smile> Well, I'm feeling nice towards MW's attitude right now... they gave a
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decent deal to the guys behind the MM/1. Of course, they had to buy a BUNCH of
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licenses at one time, but...
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Who knows? If the OSK personals take off, then I'd see every reason for MW to
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make sweeter and sweeter deals, and to advertise more (well, maybe not
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advertise).
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Now if only Tandy would make a deal with them on OS-9000...
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#: 6315 S10/Tandy CoCo
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25-Aug-90 21:45:52
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Sb: #ar help
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Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366
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To: all
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How do you ar a whole disk??
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#: 6324 S10/Tandy CoCo
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26-Aug-90 11:47:36
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Sb: #6315-ar help
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 (X)
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Everett -
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Hmmm... you could potentially:
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chd /d0
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files -e ! ar -uz /d1/d0disk
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Pete
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#: 6316 S6/Applications
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26-Aug-90 04:37:24
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Sb: #OS9 Profile
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Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
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To: All
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Does anyone know how to get OS9 Profile to work under OS9 Level II? I would
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like to use this program in an 80 column window and was wondering what I need
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to put in my OSBoot file. The original Profile OS9Boot file has these modules
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in it:
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IOMan,RBF,CCDisk,D0,D1,SCF,RS232,T1,PRINTER,P,CCIO,CO32,TERM,PIPEMAN,Piper,Clock,SysGo,Shell.
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Which modules do I need to put in my new boot file?
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Thanks for the help! George
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#: 6317 S6/Applications
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26-Aug-90 05:14:39
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Sb: #6316-#OS9 Profile
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Fm: James Jones 76257,562
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To: George Hendrickson 71071,2003 (X)
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Do a browse/key=profile in DL10; you should find the necessary patches there.
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#: 6336 S6/Applications
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27-Aug-90 10:44:05
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Sb: #6317-OS9 Profile
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Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
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To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
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Thanks for the info!
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#: 6318 S10/Tandy CoCo
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26-Aug-90 06:45:51
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Sb: #Interbank Incident
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Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
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To: All
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Does anyone know how to get The Interbank Incident to work on a Level 2 hard
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drive system?
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#: 6377 S10/Tandy CoCo
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29-Aug-90 03:40:53
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Sb: #6318-#Interbank Incident
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Fm: Shawn Thomas 76226,3237
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To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
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Floyd- As I recall there was some call from level 1 that is not supported on
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level 2, so the game has a problem. At least I think that was it. I have never
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been able to get my copy to work.
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Shawn
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#: 6384 S10/Tandy CoCo
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29-Aug-90 20:57:23
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Sb: #6377-Interbank Incident
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Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
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To: Shawn Thomas 76226,3237 (X)
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Yeah, when I try to boot the game all I get is a messed up pmode screen.
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#: 6321 S10/Tandy CoCo
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26-Aug-90 10:35:11
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Sb: #games and joysticks
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Fm: James Jones 76257,562
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To: All
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I've grabbed rescue.ar and the Dungeon Depths programs. Nice graphics, but
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when I run them, the object under my control seems to run immediately to the
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upper left-hand corner and stay there. My guess is that they are doing
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something that works only for low-res joysticks/mice. If someone who has these
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programs going would describe his or her joystick configuration, I'd sure
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appreciate it.
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#: 6326 S10/Tandy CoCo
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26-Aug-90 12:56:34
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Sb: #6321-#games and joysticks
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Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
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To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
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Both games require a low-res joystick. However, I designed both games so you
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can use either the left or right joystick ports. Therefore, you could leave
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your hi-res adapter plugged into the right port and plug a joystick into the
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left one and play the game.
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Floyd
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#: 6327 S10/Tandy CoCo
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26-Aug-90 16:25:58
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Sb: #6326-#games and joysticks
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Fm: James Jones 76257,562
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To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
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Aha. Will do--actually, that will turn out rather nicely given my MV env.file;
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thanks.
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#: 6338 S10/Tandy CoCo
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27-Aug-90 12:24:15
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Sb: #6327-games and joysticks
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Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
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To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
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No problem. I made it like that because I got tired of switching from my mouse
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(which I used to create the icons) to my joystick and having to plug and unplug
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them. Then it dawned on me that all I had to do was use a variable to keep
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track of which stick the user wanted. It is simple. Sure is a lot better than
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hardwiring it.
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Floyd
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#: 6323 S7/Telecommunications
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26-Aug-90 11:08:46
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Sb: #access help
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Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
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To: all
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I have forgotten how to get to CIS from Nuxiland. It is something like
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71076.76@compuserv.com. Can anyone help? - Carl
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#: 6325 S7/Telecommunications
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26-Aug-90 11:49:07
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Sb: #6323-#access help
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Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
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To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X)
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Carl -
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Dead on.... if I were mailing to you, it'd be:
|
||
|
||
mail 71076.76@compuserve.com
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||
|
||
Pete
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There is 1 Reply.
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|
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#: 6330 S7/Telecommunications
|
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26-Aug-90 22:12:43
|
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Sb: #6325-access help
|
||
Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
|
||
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
|
||
|
||
Thanks Pete. Kid is off to college for the last year and he lost my address
|
||
and I wasn't sure. - Carl
|
||
|
||
#: 6328 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
26-Aug-90 17:57:20
|
||
Sb: #Kill and C
|
||
Fm: Dan Charrois 70721,1506
|
||
To: all
|
||
|
||
I have a question regarding the kill command.
|
||
I've noticed that when I kill a process, I get the OS9 prompt back and
|
||
everything appears normal until I try some other command. If the command
|
||
exists and can be executed, I get the first little bit of the command output,
|
||
followed by -003 (or whatever process number I just killed), a bit more of the
|
||
command, then ERROR #228.. Then, the command keeps on over the various lines of
|
||
OS9 prompts. It would appear as though the process is killed alright, then the
|
||
confirmation (-003) and error are sent simultaneously when the next command is
|
||
being executed, though I can't tell for sure. If more than one process is
|
||
killed, things go haywire until that many alternate commands have been
|
||
executed.
|
||
Aside from obvious inconvenience, it poses a problem for a C program I'm
|
||
writing to kill various processes. They are all killed fine, but the C program
|
||
aborts with the deletion of process messages and then the ERROR 228. I've tried
|
||
to trap the error with both interrupt() and signal(), but it seems to get
|
||
through somehow at any rate. Note than in my receiving the ERROR 228, I am not
|
||
trying to kill the actual C program itself, but various other routines.
|
||
So, is there some way to get the kill(processnumber,0) routine in C to stop
|
||
sending the -003, etc. message and more importantly the ERROR 228? Does anyone
|
||
have any idea on what I am doing wrong? I have always found this bug(?) in the
|
||
KILL command particularly confusing.
|
||
Thanks for all your help...Dan Charrois
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|
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There is 1 Reply.
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|
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#: 6329 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
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26-Aug-90 18:28:12
|
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Sb: #6328-#Kill and C
|
||
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
|
||
To: Dan Charrois 70721,1506 (X)
|
||
|
||
It's not C; it's the shell. When the shell executes a command, aside from the
|
||
ones that have to be done internally (ex, chd, chx), it spawns a process to
|
||
actually run it, and unless you tack on an ampersand, it then does a F$Wait to
|
||
wait for the child to exit. Currently, if the child's exit code is non-zero,
|
||
it prints out the "ERROR #whatever" message.
|
||
|
||
Here comes the fun part--unfortunately, the shell as it is currently written
|
||
doesn't pay any attention to the process id of the child that exited, so here's
|
||
what happens:
|
||
|
||
User types "cmd &".
|
||
|
||
Shell spawns process and doesn't wait, but comes back with a prompt after
|
||
displaying the process ID (say +003).
|
||
|
||
User types "cmd2".
|
||
|
||
Shell spawns another process, and does wait.
|
||
|
||
Process 3, running "cmd," exits abnormally for some reason, or is killed.
|
||
|
||
Shell is awakened from its wait, sees the non-zero exit code, displays the
|
||
ERROR message, and goes back to a prompt and a I$ReadLn to get the next command
|
||
to execute.
|
||
|
||
Unfortunately, if cmd2 is still going, it and the shell are now competing for
|
||
the attention of standard input. To correct this problem, the shell would have
|
||
to keep track of the last process it spawned, and *only* go back to get another
|
||
command line when that process exited. This is a bug of very long standing,
|
||
and like the weather, folks talk about it but nothing gets done, alas.
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6332 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
27-Aug-90 00:21:04
|
||
Sb: #6329-#Kill and C
|
||
Fm: Dan Charrois 70721,1506
|
||
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
|
||
|
||
Yuck.. I read your reply, and I think I understand what's going on in the
|
||
shell. That's really not very encouraging at all (though the fact that I
|
||
understand what's going on now makes things a bit better...)
|
||
This doesn't make things look good. My project was to set up a routine to
|
||
kill all processes associated with /T2 when a user logs off the port. It gets
|
||
all the process ids and everything, and all I had to do is kill them. The
|
||
routine is run, and it kills them okay... but when it's done, the shell that
|
||
started the routine is filled with all the dying process errors. Is there any
|
||
way whatsoever that an automated routine such as this can be initiated without
|
||
getting bogged down by the errors afterwards?
|
||
Hmm... perhaps, could one kill the processes to /t2, and then kill the shell
|
||
from which they originated... then restart the shell?
|
||
Things don't look too good... but thanks a lot for your reply!
|
||
Dan
|
||
|
||
There are 3 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6333 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
27-Aug-90 03:44:18
|
||
Sb: #6332-#Kill and C
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: Dan Charrois 70721,1506 (X)
|
||
|
||
Dan - I'm not quite sure what you're doing, but you could start the initial
|
||
processes with (program <>>>/t2&) ... the () starts a subshell which then dies
|
||
and Program is left as an orphan... nobody to report errors back to.
|
||
|
||
Also, whenever you kill off some processes, do some "w <ENTER>" wait commands
|
||
from the shell to let the errors get on by.
|
||
|
||
I'm not sure which shell is getting the errors back, btw... do you mean the one
|
||
from which the "kill all t2 programs" is done from? Or a shell on t2? Or?
|
||
And is this a case where the "kill" bit in the t2 descriptor won't do what you
|
||
need?
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6369 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
28-Aug-90 19:41:59
|
||
Sb: #6333-Kill and C
|
||
Fm: Dan Charrois 70721,1506
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
Well, that idea of the parentheses might just do the trick. I must've
|
||
skipped over that section in the manual, but I don't recall seeing the idea of
|
||
putting the execution within parentheses. It would probably do alright for
|
||
starting things up.. But do you have any idea how one could fork or chain a
|
||
program from within C to accomplish this? The idea is that I had a routine to
|
||
check carrier running in the back, and when carrier is lost, it ran the routine
|
||
to kill all processes associated with T2. The only problem with using () is
|
||
that if someone is in a shell on t2 and they run a program from that shell
|
||
without the parentheses, when the routine to kill everything goes into effect,
|
||
the shell on t2 would get the errors.. I suppose if the shell on t2 is killed
|
||
in the process anyway, it might not matter...
|
||
The shell getting the errors back is the shell from where I started the
|
||
processes on t2. If I start up a shell on t2, run some processes, then kill
|
||
them (from anywhere), t2 gets the errors. If I redirect input,output, etc. to
|
||
t2 and run a program from another shell, that's the one that gets the errors
|
||
when the programs directed to t2 die. It looks as though the parent shells are
|
||
the ones dying on me.
|
||
Thanks a lot for your reply. I'm going to check out and see what I can do
|
||
about using the parentheses....Dan
|
||
|
||
#: 6340 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
27-Aug-90 16:11:34
|
||
Sb: #6332-#Kill and C
|
||
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
|
||
To: Dan Charrois 70721,1506 (X)
|
||
|
||
Dan, You are re-inventing the wheel. Go to the TSMon lib and check out
|
||
logins.ar and login.ar. Both have a bye command which do exactly what you are
|
||
working on.
|
||
|
||
Zack
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6370 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
28-Aug-90 19:44:11
|
||
Sb: #6340-Kill and C
|
||
Fm: Dan Charrois 70721,1506
|
||
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
|
||
|
||
Hmm... Thanks for your advice as well, Zack. That might be my easiest
|
||
betespecially if someone has done the work for me already!
|
||
|
||
#: 6367 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
28-Aug-90 18:36:38
|
||
Sb: #6332-#Kill and C
|
||
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
|
||
To: Dan Charrois 70721,1506 (X)
|
||
|
||
Dan,
|
||
|
||
I have a CoCo version of a command Pete Lyall wrote, which does what you want
|
||
to do. It will kill processes based on device name of standard in/out/error or
|
||
current program name. It peeks at the process descriptor to figure that stuff
|
||
out. It will also work with his login system (LOGINS.AR in LIB 7) and can kill
|
||
processes by user # or user name. Its up to Pete as to whether he wants it
|
||
released or not. I thought it might be in the data libraries already, but
|
||
couldn't find it.
|
||
|
||
Bill
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6371 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
28-Aug-90 19:46:22
|
||
Sb: #6367-#Kill and C
|
||
Fm: Dan Charrois 70721,1506
|
||
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
|
||
|
||
Thanks for your reply Bill. I'm going to check and see what logins.ar and
|
||
login.ar contain, and see if anything in there does what I want to do. If not,
|
||
I'll ask you or Pete if the command he wrote could be released.
|
||
Thanks again....Dan
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6416 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
31-Aug-90 05:48:22
|
||
Sb: #6371-#Kill and C
|
||
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
|
||
To: Dan Charrois 70721,1506 (X)
|
||
|
||
Dan,
|
||
|
||
Pete said it was OK for me to upload it, if he hasn't done it already. Look for
|
||
it over the next day or so, its called, appropriately enough, "murder". I'll
|
||
upload it to LIB 7 along with the other login tools, although I've found other
|
||
uses for it as well.
|
||
|
||
Bill
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6434 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
31-Aug-90 23:42:44
|
||
Sb: #6416-#Kill and C
|
||
Fm: Dan Charrois 70721,1506
|
||
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
|
||
|
||
Thanks a lot, Bill. I'll be checking out LIB 7. Dan
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6438 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
01-Sep-90 07:00:56
|
||
Sb: #6434-Kill and C
|
||
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
|
||
To: Dan Charrois 70721,1506
|
||
|
||
Dan,
|
||
|
||
I goofed, its not LIB 7, but LIB 8. I uploaded it this morning, so whenever the
|
||
sysop can do his magic thing, it will become available. Its called MURDER.AR.
|
||
|
||
Bill
|
||
|
||
#: 6378 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
29-Aug-90 09:38:57
|
||
Sb: #6367-Kill and C
|
||
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
|
||
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
|
||
|
||
Bill -
|
||
|
||
Go ahead and upload it (if I haven't already).
|
||
|
||
Pete
|
||
|
||
#: 6335 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
27-Aug-90 10:13:14
|
||
Sb: #MULTIVUE-CALENDAR
|
||
Fm: Chuck Watters 70115,536
|
||
To: ALL
|
||
|
||
IS THERE ANY WAY TO EDIT OR PRINT CALENDAR FILES IN MULTIVUE?
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6351 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
27-Aug-90 23:49:19
|
||
Sb: #6335-#MULTIVUE-CALENDAR
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: Chuck Watters 70115,536 (X)
|
||
|
||
Chuck - dunno. You could use VEFIO to snapshot the calendar screen to a VEF
|
||
picture file, and then perhaps use a printer dump for the whole thing.
|
||
|
||
But as far as editing the files, I'm not sure anyone has looked into this yet.
|
||
Anyone who has, speak up! <grin>
|
||
|
||
There is at least one commercial product which takes notes and may have a
|
||
calendar/reminder util also. From Alphasoft. Shoot, I forgot the name of the
|
||
program set. James Jones loves it. JJ??!!
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6358 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
28-Aug-90 06:53:00
|
||
Sb: #6351-MULTIVUE-CALENDAR
|
||
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
That's Presto Partner; it does what it does pretty well, though I wish one
|
||
could have it schedule "regular" events of the form "every 2nd Tuesday of the
|
||
month" (for example). I'm glad I bought it.
|
||
|
||
#: 6383 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
29-Aug-90 20:16:33
|
||
Sb: #6351-MULTIVUE-CALENDAR
|
||
Fm: Chuck Watters 70115,536
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
Kevin Thanks for the reply to my question. If you haven't done it it probably
|
||
hasn't been done!
|
||
|
||
#: 6337 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
27-Aug-90 11:59:42
|
||
Sb: #Help
|
||
Fm: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
|
||
To: all
|
||
|
||
Can anyone tell me where the utility 'verify' is? I need it patch my OS9
|
||
Profile disk to run under lvl 2.
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6339 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
27-Aug-90 16:09:33
|
||
Sb: #6337-#Help
|
||
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
|
||
To: George Hendrickson 71071,2003
|
||
|
||
I know of no 'verify' utility. If you use dEd to patch the modules (profile and
|
||
mgt), then after writing out the modified sector, you then re-verify the module
|
||
with the builtin dEd verify function. If you patch with modpatch (which
|
||
requires the save utility to save the module after being patched in memory) you
|
||
just include a modpatch verify command (v) as the last command in the modpatch
|
||
script.
|
||
|
||
Zack
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6341 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
27-Aug-90 18:30:29
|
||
Sb: #6339-#Help
|
||
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
|
||
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
|
||
|
||
Hmm - don't remember if LII provided it.. It may have been cut like some of the
|
||
other 'developer' utilities [BINEX, EXBIN, etc.), but there used to be a VERIFY
|
||
utility that would read a module, and emit a copy of it with a proper CRC in
|
||
place. LI had it.
|
||
|
||
Pete
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6344 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
27-Aug-90 22:17:11
|
||
Sb: #6341-#Help
|
||
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
|
||
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
|
||
|
||
Ahh, yes, it IS part of the dev pack! Thanks for reminding me. I just may use
|
||
now!
|
||
|
||
Zack
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6359 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
28-Aug-90 09:00:00
|
||
Sb: #6344-Help
|
||
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
|
||
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
|
||
|
||
ZAck -
|
||
|
||
Nah... it's one of the more useless commands if you have another tool that will
|
||
update CRC's. Ident will check them, and [dEd, Patch, Mverify, and others] will
|
||
correct them.
|
||
|
||
Pete
|
||
|
||
#: 6345 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
27-Aug-90 23:14:51
|
||
Sb: #6239-TOP UUCP woes...
|
||
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
|
||
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
|
||
|
||
Ja! Ja!
|
||
|
||
Paul
|
||
|
||
#: 6346 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
27-Aug-90 23:20:31
|
||
Sb: #6232-#MM/1
|
||
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
|
||
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
|
||
|
||
James,
|
||
|
||
FYI, you DO need the second board for the hard drive. It has the host adapter
|
||
on it. THen get a SCSI hard drive and you're set.
|
||
|
||
Paul
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6357 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
28-Aug-90 06:50:48
|
||
Sb: #6346-MM/1
|
||
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
|
||
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
|
||
|
||
Thanks. I thought that was the case (and was planning to get the second board,
|
||
definitely).
|
||
|
||
#: 6347 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
27-Aug-90 23:22:59
|
||
Sb: #6247-MM/1
|
||
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
|
||
To: Mark S 76004,373 (X)
|
||
|
||
Mark,
|
||
|
||
The omission of the hard drive on the Extended list is a result of leaving out
|
||
many features of the second board due to space constraints. It has turned out
|
||
ot be -- while not a tragic choice -- a cause for some concern, as some people
|
||
thought we might have dropped support of the hard drive.
|
||
|
||
We'll drop a cpy of our brochure in the mail to you, if you like!
|
||
|
||
Paul
|
||
|
||
#: 6349 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
27-Aug-90 23:30:37
|
||
Sb: #6261-#os-9 emulation
|
||
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
|
||
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
|
||
|
||
I think that one of the MM/1 developers is working on such support for a new
|
||
bbs. I'll see if he cares to comment.
|
||
|
||
Mike Guzzi, you out there?
|
||
|
||
Paul
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6354 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
28-Aug-90 06:15:59
|
||
Sb: #6349-os-9 emulation
|
||
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
|
||
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
|
||
|
||
That would be great! I hope its true.
|
||
|
||
#: 6350 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
27-Aug-90 23:30:44
|
||
Sb: #Hardware Prob. A/D port
|
||
Fm: Dale Robertson 76475,356
|
||
To: All
|
||
|
||
Help !! My Josticks have quit. The D/A port of my coco III seems to have a
|
||
problem. The Hi-res adapter does not seem to give proper readings and if i
|
||
unplug it and connect direct the port does not seem to give the full scale of
|
||
values. There is also some distortion on the Audio. The left port runs the
|
||
mouse in a diagonal across the screen top left to midscreen right. the right
|
||
port runs in the top 2/3 of the screen and is quite jerky. I have tried other
|
||
joysticks and it made no difference. Does anyone have any info on the A/D port
|
||
on the coco 3 as it would help in my tracing down the problem. Thank
|
||
You!!!!!!!!
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6425 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
31-Aug-90 19:36:38
|
||
Sb: #6350-#Hardware Prob. A/D port
|
||
Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
|
||
To: Dale Robertson 76475,356 (X)
|
||
|
||
Since you say that both your sound and joysticks are not working, I suggest
|
||
that you check IC7 (SC77526). If the serial and cassette port also don't work
|
||
then IC4 (68B21) is probably bad.
|
||
|
||
William
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6433 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
31-Aug-90 23:23:26
|
||
Sb: #6425-#Hardware Prob. A/D port
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: William Phelps 75100,265 (X)
|
||
|
||
Speaking of IC7, I have had some probs with my CoCo (namely Hires mouse doesn't
|
||
work and cassette port doesn't work) and it was suggested I get a new IC7. What
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did you say about the IC4, and where can I get these chips? Thanks.
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#: 6473 S10/Tandy CoCo
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03-Sep-90 05:15:33
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Sb: #6433-#Hardware Prob. A/D port
|
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Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
Try the serial port also; if it doesn't work the problem is IC4. If the serial
|
||
port is OK, then what part of the cassette port doesn't work(in, out, or motor
|
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control). If only the out function is not working then the problem is IC7.
|
||
|
||
Chip type RS-part#(these have to be ordered)
|
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--------------------------
|
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IC4 68B21 MX-7260
|
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IC7 8050526 MX-6202
|
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|
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William
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 6519 S10/Tandy CoCo
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04-Sep-90 23:02:21
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Sb: #6473-#Hardware Prob. A/D port
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: William Phelps 75100,265 (X)
|
||
|
||
The serial port is fine (aack! How else would I be typing to you? 8-) I
|
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believe only the out on the cassette is malfunctioning. IC7, eh? ok.
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|
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#: 6524 S10/Tandy CoCo
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05-Sep-90 07:14:40
|
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Sb: #6519-#Hardware Prob. A/D port
|
||
Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
I mean the serial port built into the CoCo(the Bitbanger). If you are using an
|
||
OS-9 terminal program, I would think you are using the RS232 Pak.
|
||
|
||
William
|
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|
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 6541 S10/Tandy CoCo
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05-Sep-90 23:06:04
|
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Sb: #6524-#Hardware Prob. A/D port
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: William Phelps 75100,265 (X)
|
||
|
||
I'm using the bitbanger now (with Ultimaterm). Thanks for all the info,
|
||
William, you'vebeen more than helpful.
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 6564 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
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07-Sep-90 02:30:22
|
||
Sb: #6541-Hardware Prob. A/D port
|
||
Fm: William Phelps 75100,265
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
You are very welcome.
|
||
|
||
#: 6639 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
09-Sep-90 20:14:34
|
||
Sb: #6425-Hardware Prob. A/D port
|
||
Fm: Dale Robertson 76475,356
|
||
To: William Phelps 75100,265 (X)
|
||
|
||
I will check that thanks!
|
||
|
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#: 6353 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
27-Aug-90 23:58:17
|
||
Sb: #PT68k & Herc graphics
|
||
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
|
||
To: all
|
||
|
||
I have a PT68k 16 Mhz OS9 system and I am in desperate need of some help.
|
||
To start off with a have written a 'c' program that writes directly to
|
||
my Hercules graphics card in text mode. The program does a mundane task of
|
||
writing a row of chars (2000 of them) on the screen.
|
||
|
||
My next task is to write pixels, in 'graphics mode' on the screen which
|
||
up to this point have been unsuccessful. I know that IBM Herc graphics start at
|
||
&hB800 whice on the PT68k os mapped to &hd70001.
|
||
My problem is setting the 6845 to the 'graphics mode' as stated my the
|
||
Herc standard. I read the Motorola book on the chip and was able to make little
|
||
since on the stuff. Does anyone that owns a PT68 ever written directly to to
|
||
graphics on the Herc card supplied with the computer.
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
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#: 6356 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
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28-Aug-90 06:37:38
|
||
Sb: #6353-#PT68k & Herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
|
||
|
||
Scott - I think Chris Babcock could help. I'll yell at him. Have you tried
|
||
setting up the 6845 at all yet? Did your book give an example of setting it to
|
||
different modes? What kind of gfx modes does that card have, btw?
|
||
|
||
There are 3 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6363 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
28-Aug-90 14:13:39
|
||
Sb: #6356-#PT68k & Herc graphics
|
||
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
Kevin,
|
||
It has a Hercules card. I said that is was a 6845 but that was a slight
|
||
error. It is really a ASIC that emulates a 6845, parallel printer port,
|
||
decoders, graphics/text shift regs, timing regs and the like. I suppose that
|
||
6845 'compatible' as far as the regs and all, but cannot swear to it.
|
||
|
||
I looked at the Moto specs on 6845 but it was all greek to me
|
||
Thanks, Scott Howell
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
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#: 6375 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
28-Aug-90 23:09:32
|
||
Sb: #6363-PT68k & Herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
|
||
|
||
Scott - if you have the full Moto 6845 specs, then I think they have a work
|
||
sheet at the back where they give a sample 80x25 calculation. Diddling around
|
||
with those should bring up something. I forgot to ask Chris. thx for reminder!
|
||
|
||
#: 6364 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
28-Aug-90 14:14:57
|
||
Sb: #6356-PT68k & Herc graphics
|
||
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
.con't from last.. I suppose that it has the herc mode 748 X 380 or some
|
||
|
||
#: 6365 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
28-Aug-90 14:16:34
|
||
Sb: #6356-#PT68k & Herc graphics
|
||
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
Woops, sorry. I think it is the Herc 720 X 348 standard and my book is very
|
||
thin on info on setting it up.
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6403 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
30-Aug-90 19:40:54
|
||
Sb: #6365-#PT68k & Herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Bud Hamblen 72466,256
|
||
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
|
||
|
||
Tracy Thieret has written a set of graphics routines that work with the CSC C
|
||
compiler that you can get for SK*DOS. You could get these to work with OS-9.
|
||
You've got them already if you got SK*DOS and the CSC C compiler for your
|
||
PT68K-2. If not, easy me your address and I'll mail you a listing. Thieret has
|
||
released for non-commercial use.
|
||
|
||
wrh
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6435 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
01-Sep-90 03:20:30
|
||
Sb: #6403-#PT68k & Herc graphics
|
||
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
|
||
To: Bud Hamblen 72466,256 (X)
|
||
|
||
Thanks, Sounds good. I have os9 My address is Scott Howell 4100-D Woodchase
|
||
Lane Marietta, Ga 30067 Thanks again
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6452 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
01-Sep-90 12:26:25
|
||
Sb: #6435-PT68k & Herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Bud Hamblen 72466,256
|
||
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
|
||
|
||
OK. Will send a listing. I haven't translated from SK*DOS to OS-9, but the
|
||
routines DO work with SK*DOS.
|
||
|
||
wrh
|
||
|
||
#: 6474 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
03-Sep-90 08:27:27
|
||
Sb: #6403-PT68k & Herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327
|
||
To: Bud Hamblen 72466,256 (X)
|
||
|
||
Bud, is that a general offer? I have SK*DOS, and could use a copy of those
|
||
graphics routines as well.
|
||
|
||
Jack
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
#: 6366 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
28-Aug-90 17:22:39
|
||
Sb: #6353-#PT68k & Herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
|
||
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
|
||
|
||
Hi Scott!
|
||
|
||
I left you some information regarding the Hercules board in the mail section.
|
||
I did try to upload it here, but it was too long. Hope it helps - If you do
|
||
finally get it running, be nice if you posted the code - Thanks
|
||
|
||
Ed
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6376 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
29-Aug-90 01:10:05
|
||
Sb: #6366-PT68k & Herc graphics
|
||
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
|
||
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)
|
||
|
||
Thanks Ed, This Really i mean REALLY helps. Fred gave me to formule to convert
|
||
IBM addresses to PT68 addresses. I do'nt remember it now but when I get home I
|
||
will post it
|
||
Thanks,
|
||
Scott Howell
|
||
|
||
#: 6475 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
03-Sep-90 08:27:29
|
||
Sb: #6366-#PT68k & Herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327
|
||
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)
|
||
|
||
Ed, would you be willing to upload your info on the Herc board to a DL?
|
||
|
||
Jack
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6480 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
03-Sep-90 12:23:06
|
||
Sb: #6475-PT68k & Herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
|
||
To: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327 (X)
|
||
|
||
I'll see what I can do. If I redo it, maybe I can send it up as a
|
||
regular'message.
|
||
|
||
Ed
|
||
|
||
#: 6355 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
28-Aug-90 06:19:54
|
||
Sb: #Questions
|
||
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
|
||
To: All
|
||
|
||
I have two questions:
|
||
1. What format does the paint program in DeskMate3 use and is there a viewer
|
||
that can show those pictures?
|
||
2. Is there any way at all to alter the hardware font set?
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6360 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
28-Aug-90 10:57:01
|
||
Sb: #6355-#Questions
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
|
||
|
||
I know that the (coco 1/2) vdg had a way to alter the hardware font set, and I
|
||
had thought that the gime does too, tho I don't know. I have often thought
|
||
about doing that, but never had the skill (or enough desire to compensate for
|
||
the lacking skill).
|
||
|
||
I would imagine that you could easily figure out Deskmate's paint program
|
||
format, unless some compression is done. Take the size of a deskmate file,
|
||
subtract 16/17 bytes or so for palette, screen type, etc., and from there you
|
||
should have raw data. count the size of the data to determine the number of
|
||
scan lines it uses, etc. shouldn't be hard from a basic program.
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6361 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
28-Aug-90 12:43:52
|
||
Sb: #6360-#Questions
|
||
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
Joseph -
|
||
|
||
Hmmm - I spent a lot of time with the Motorola data sheets in the early days,
|
||
and don't recall a way to use alternative fonts in conjunction with the
|
||
6883/6847/13??... You could make them orange, or invert them though...
|
||
|
||
Pete
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6374 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
28-Aug-90 23:07:38
|
||
Sb: #6361-Questions
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
|
||
|
||
Pete - there was at least one company in the old coco days, which sold an addon
|
||
board to allow changing fonts on the 6847. Check the docs again, they mention
|
||
adding external EPROM for this purpose, I'm almost positive.
|
||
|
||
However, the GIME has no provision for external hardware text fonts.
|
||
|
||
From the back of my head, I think the 6847 pin was called I/E, btw... for
|
||
internal/external fonts. But I could be waaay off on that name.
|
||
|
||
#: 6389 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
30-Aug-90 00:04:12
|
||
Sb: #6361-#Questions
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
|
||
|
||
I am almost POSITIVE I read that the VDG chip had provisions for external
|
||
character sets. I know that (Green Mountain Micro?) made lowerkits, and I
|
||
believe others did also. I always figured that these used that VDG mode and
|
||
never thought that it might be, anyway. But, I guess since the GIME won't do
|
||
it, it really doesn't matter 8-(. <Sigh>, makes me want my MM/1 even more
|
||
<double sigh>. Which, btw, I am hoping that it will support (a full)
|
||
256character character set? I. E., provisions for emulating the IBM enhanced
|
||
character set. prob'ly shoulda asked this several months ago <;-)>.
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6392 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
30-Aug-90 01:54:00
|
||
Sb: #6389-Questions
|
||
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
Joseph -
|
||
|
||
I stand corrected... Kevin squared me away earlier today. Sorry I was unable to
|
||
help, and in this case, provide accurate information...
|
||
|
||
Pete
|
||
|
||
#: 6362 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
28-Aug-90 13:09:55
|
||
Sb: #6360-#Questions
|
||
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
Some compression is done on the picture files because they are only about 14k
|
||
long. As far as the fonts, I just wish they would have built into the CoCo the
|
||
IBM primitive graphic characters. At least I could see what I'm suppose to
|
||
when I call and IBM board.
|
||
|
||
Floyd
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6390 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
30-Aug-90 00:06:26
|
||
Sb: #6362-#Questions
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
|
||
|
||
What mode is used? If it's 320x192x4 or 640x200x2 then mebbe just some scan
|
||
lines were lost. A good way to check is make two pictures and save them. make
|
||
them (radically) different, and then check the file size.
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6405 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
30-Aug-90 19:53:38
|
||
Sb: #6390-#Questions
|
||
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
The pictures are 320x192x16. I guess I could simply examine the files byte for
|
||
byte and try a few things.
|
||
|
||
Floyd
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6408 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
30-Aug-90 22:57:58
|
||
Sb: #6405-#Questions
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
|
||
|
||
Hmm, well, if the pictures are compressed, it's going to be practically
|
||
impossible to figure out the decompression scheme, since there are SOOO many. I
|
||
suppose you could hope that it's a simple RLE method, but still--many many many
|
||
of those. It probably is something simple, though.
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6422 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
31-Aug-90 14:38:11
|
||
Sb: #6408-Questions
|
||
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
I hope it's simple. I'm going to give it a shot!
|
||
|
||
#: 6373 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
28-Aug-90 21:47:12
|
||
Sb: #OSK Binary File Editing
|
||
Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
|
||
To: 71541,3611 (X)
|
||
|
||
The "moded" (as in MODule EDitor) utility program supplied with OSK V2.3 will
|
||
do exactly what you want (I think) and works very similar to Burke & Burke's
|
||
"ezgen" for OS9/6809.
|
||
|
||
Quoting from the manual: "The moded utility is used to edit individual fields
|
||
of certain types of OS-9 modules. Currently, moded can be used to change the
|
||
Init module and any OS-9 Device Descriptor Module. moded can edit modules
|
||
which exist in their own files and modules which exist among other modules in a
|
||
single file such as a bootstrap file. moded will update the module's CRC and
|
||
header parity if changes are made."
|
||
|
||
A file named "moded.fields" must exist that describes the module field
|
||
information for each type of file to be edited. This is a standard ASCII file
|
||
that you can add your own module information to. Microware provides a
|
||
moded.fields file with definitions for the Init module, and device descriptors
|
||
for RBF, SBF, SCF, PIPE, NETWORK, UCM and GFM devices. Definitions include the
|
||
module and device type, a detailed definition of each field and an optional
|
||
description of the field to be given when the user asks for help about a given
|
||
field. The field definition includes: size of field in bytes, offset in hex
|
||
from the start of the module, base (ascii hex octal, decimal) that the field
|
||
contents will be displayed in (!), unused default value, name of associated
|
||
driver (optional).
|
||
|
||
The V2.3 release notes document the moded utility as do the new V2.3 (Revision
|
||
C) OSK manuals.
|
||
|
||
-J
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6493 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
03-Sep-90 16:49:10
|
||
Sb: #6373-#OSK Binary File Editing
|
||
Fm: Timothy J. Martin 71541,3611
|
||
To: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 (X)
|
||
|
||
Yup, I have the moded utility. But the way I see it, moded is only for working
|
||
with valid OS-9 modules. I want to work with any sort of binary file. The
|
||
basic functions I want are to be able to cut a section out and write it to a
|
||
file. Also to search for a binary pattern. replace ... thats about it.
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6559 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
06-Sep-90 20:49:06
|
||
Sb: #6493-OSK Binary File Editing
|
||
Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
|
||
To: Timothy J. Martin 71541,3611 (X)
|
||
|
||
Well, I'm not familiar with any tools that will do what you want then.
|
||
|
||
Good Luck.
|
||
|
||
#: 6385 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
29-Aug-90 22:41:01
|
||
Sb: #OSK Forkingg problem
|
||
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
|
||
To: All
|
||
|
||
There seems to be a strange problem with the Shell (??) in OSK. I can send
|
||
mail address parameters to a command like so: "rewop!sysop" and the shell
|
||
doesn't see the "!" as a pipe symbol. Find and dandy.
|
||
|
||
Now, I try to do the same thing by forking a shell using os9fork(), and it
|
||
alwasy returns an error stating "can't fork "sysop"" as if it was now seeing
|
||
the "!" character even though it is enclosed in double quotes in the string
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that is passed to os9fork() as the parameters.
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Has anyone seen this before? It works fine under 6809/OS9 Level II shell.
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Mark
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 6393 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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30-Aug-90 02:28:09
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Sb: #6385-#OSK Forkingg problem
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Fm: James Jones 76257,562
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To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
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|
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Gee. I'm surprised that the shell doesn't see the !. In any case, you should
|
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seriously consider lapsing into conditional compilation for this one, and using
|
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os9exec() for the OSK version, so that environment variables get inherited. (If
|
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all else fails...have you considered domain addressing? <grin>) (Oops... I
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wasn't thinking about the quotes--I'm not surprised that it behaved as expected
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in the first case.) Could you post a code fragment, please?
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 6407 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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30-Aug-90 22:47:09
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Sb: #6393-#OSK Forkingg problem
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Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
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To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
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|
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James,
|
||
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Basically, what was happening was; if you used os9fork() to run this string:
|
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|
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rmail "system!user" <filename >/nil >>/nil
|
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|
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it would return an error of "can't fork "user"" even with the quotes. This same
|
||
command, if given at the shell prompt, worked fine. It only barfed when using
|
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os9fork().
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What I did was use system() to fork the process. It's not very elegant, but it
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works. The only reason I used os9fork() for the 6809 was because the string
|
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being passed to the forked command sometimes was longer than the 80 char limit
|
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enforced by system(). I assume this is not a problem under OSK.
|
||
|
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I looked into using os9exec() after Ed Gressick fax'ed me the man pages for it,
|
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but it was simpler to use system() so I did. Works fine now. I do need to work
|
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with it some more cause I'd like to get out of having to use the shell for the
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command line redirection stuff.
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Mark
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 6413 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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31-Aug-90 02:40:17
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Sb: #6407-OSK Forkingg problem
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Fm: James Jones 76257,562
|
||
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
|
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|
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That's interesting. I'll have to experiment some more with that. Thanks.
|
||
|
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#: 6387 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
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29-Aug-90 23:00:16
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Sb: #5930-Transferring Apple FIles
|
||
Fm: Ladd Temple 73647,2154
|
||
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
|
||
|
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Thanx for your time Pete, That is exactly what I had to do - use a null modem.
|
||
It took for ever!! (I had almost 2 megs of data) but it worked. I can die
|
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happy if I never have to see another Apple II again.
|
||
|
||
<<<Ladd>>>
|
||
|
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#: 6388 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
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29-Aug-90 23:02:25
|
||
Sb: #6173-Transferring Apple FIles
|
||
Fm: Ladd Temple 73647,2154
|
||
To: Lee Veal 74726,1752 (X)
|
||
|
||
Thanx for the suggestion Lee. (Same as Pete's) That is exactly what I had to do
|
||
- null modem. Even at 9600 it took forever to move almost 2 megs of data. A
|
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project I will hopefully need never repeat. Thanx again
|
||
|
||
<<<Ladd>>>
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
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#: 6391 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
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30-Aug-90 00:07:56
|
||
Sb: #dead procs
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
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To: all
|
||
|
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What causes a DEAD process (a terminated process that just won't go away)? You
|
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know, a process that shows up DEAD on a proc(s?) list.
|
||
|
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There are 2 Replies.
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||
|
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#: 6394 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
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30-Aug-90 02:29:52
|
||
Sb: #6391-#dead procs
|
||
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
Those processes are barely there--they're waiting for their parents to notice
|
||
their passing. Once that happens, or their parents in turn exit, they'll
|
||
disappear completely.
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6409 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
30-Aug-90 22:58:51
|
||
Sb: #6394-#dead procs
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
|
||
|
||
How do 'parents notice their passing'? Please explain.
|
||
|
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There is 1 Reply.
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||
|
||
#: 6414 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
31-Aug-90 02:42:36
|
||
Sb: #6409-#dead procs
|
||
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
They do that by executing the F$Wait system call, that tells them when it
|
||
returns either
|
||
|
||
(1) they have no children left to wait for
|
||
|
||
or
|
||
|
||
(2) child process number X exited with exit code Y (i.e. Y is the parameter the
|
||
child passed the F$Exit system call)
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
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||
|
||
#: 6430 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
31-Aug-90 23:13:39
|
||
Sb: #6414-dead procs
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
|
||
|
||
But then what happens if your program can't wait around all day for children to
|
||
die? It can't go F$Waiting all the time.
|
||
|
||
#: 6399 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
30-Aug-90 09:29:14
|
||
Sb: #6391-#dead procs
|
||
Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
Like James said, all that needs to happen is for the parent to do a wait() for
|
||
the child or for the parent itself to die.
|
||
If it's really a problem to you, I can upload a timedwait(pid,seconds)
|
||
function that does a wait(), but does not wait() forever. If you're using OSK,
|
||
it accepts tenths of a second because of the alarm() calls.
|
||
Let me know, and tell me OS9/6809 or OSK.
|
||
Mark
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6410 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
30-Aug-90 23:00:48
|
||
Sb: #6399-#dead procs
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X)
|
||
|
||
Hmm, great, so every time I fork a process using F$Fork I have to F$Wait so
|
||
that I will notice that the process is dead? What if I want it executed
|
||
concurrently? What does GShell do?
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6415 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
31-Aug-90 02:51:33
|
||
Sb: #6410-#dead procs
|
||
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
No, you don't have to wait immediately. GShell probably does, though, and if
|
||
you type a command at the shell and *don't* terminate it with "&", then the
|
||
shell will F$Wait. However, at *some* point, an F$Wait is a polite thing to
|
||
do--do you really have an application in which the parent doesn't care whether
|
||
the child succeeded or not?
|
||
|
||
A child process in the DEAD state has all its resources save for the process
|
||
descriptor given back to the system, so it's not using very much memory--but
|
||
process descriptors *are* a finite resource, so a parent process should check
|
||
on its children at least once in a while. (Is this a pain? Perhaps, but I
|
||
can't think of any scheme that would let a process find out the exit status of
|
||
its children and consume zero memory doing it.)
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6424 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
31-Aug-90 16:18:31
|
||
Sb: #6415-#dead procs
|
||
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
|
||
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
|
||
|
||
Certain GShell functions like the calculator, shell and others allow you to
|
||
CLEAR back to the GShell main window and do other stuff with the child process
|
||
still running in background. I'm not sure how it determines the passing of a
|
||
child, since if a process does have a child and you execute a F$Wait, your
|
||
process will wait until the death of the first child process occurs. I would
|
||
like to know how to do a "timed" F$Wait, where if a child is executing, the
|
||
F$Wait doesn't continue to wait, it just returns to your program as if you
|
||
don't have any children.
|
||
|
||
Zack
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6437 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
01-Sep-90 06:27:07
|
||
Sb: #6424-#dead procs
|
||
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
|
||
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
|
||
|
||
Zack,
|
||
|
||
Gshell keeps a path open to all child processes so it knows when they are still
|
||
active by checking the open path list. This is how you get the "processes
|
||
still active" message when you try to stop Gshell with child processes still
|
||
running.
|
||
|
||
You could setup a sortof timed wait by having the child process send a signal
|
||
to the parent when it is just about ready to end. The parent can then setup a
|
||
signal and using the signal() function, get interrupted when the child dies.
|
||
The child would have to get the parent's pid from it' process descriptor. The
|
||
parent, in turn, could keep a list of process id's that it forks so it knows
|
||
when all of them are dead.
|
||
|
||
Mark
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6439 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
01-Sep-90 07:31:55
|
||
Sb: #6437-#dead procs
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
|
||
|
||
Gshell "keeps a path open to all child processes" ? Whatcha mean? I can see
|
||
(with Paths command) that it keeps paths to the subwindows used, but I can't
|
||
see how that helps.
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6464 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
02-Sep-90 05:50:27
|
||
Sb: #6439-dead procs
|
||
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
Kevin,
|
||
|
||
Hey, you should know more about this than I do. I have the source that Kent
|
||
made for a few months and found something in there about keep and active path
|
||
list to children. All I know is it shows on the paths command, and there was
|
||
something diddling with it in Kents sources. Other than that, I'm as dumb as
|
||
anyone else.
|
||
|
||
Someone needs to break down the Gshell code in this area and figure out what
|
||
they did. You know anyone who has nothing better to do (grin) ????
|
||
|
||
Mark
|
||
|
||
#: 6441 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
01-Sep-90 09:14:37
|
||
Sb: #6437-#dead procs
|
||
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
|
||
To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X)
|
||
|
||
I have heard the "keeps a path open" answer before, but I still haven't
|
||
completely figured it out. How does GShell "check the open path list"?
|
||
|
||
Yes, I figured you could set up timed waits if you also wrote the program which
|
||
you wish to exeute in a child process, but what of a program you didn't write
|
||
and don't have the soruces for? ie, the general case?
|
||
|
||
Zack
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6465 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
02-Sep-90 05:50:32
|
||
Sb: #6441-dead procs
|
||
Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41
|
||
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
|
||
|
||
Zack,
|
||
|
||
Paths opened:
|
||
|
||
Got me....I don't know how it be done either, just reporting my observations.
|
||
|
||
Two programs:
|
||
|
||
In that case you could do something like Mark Wuest did in his timedwait.c file
|
||
he uploaded to DL12. Send a signal to your own process via an alarm. That way
|
||
you can wait for the child to die and if it doesn't can wake yourself up.
|
||
|
||
Mark
|
||
|
||
#: 6431 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
31-Aug-90 23:15:37
|
||
Sb: #6415-#dead procs
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
|
||
|
||
My question is, how do you know when to check for dead child processes,
|
||
assuming that your program runs concurrently? When to check?
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6436 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
01-Sep-90 05:55:34
|
||
Sb: #6431-#dead procs
|
||
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
That's hard to say at that level of abstraction (i.e. it depends on the
|
||
particular program enough that anything I'd say without an example would be
|
||
even more hot air than usual :-).
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6521 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
04-Sep-90 23:09:47
|
||
Sb: #6436-#dead procs
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
|
||
|
||
I think I've figured it out . . . when you're not doing anything, F$Wait. When
|
||
you need to do something, either a signal from the mouse button or the keyboard
|
||
(data ready) will wake you out of your Wait . . . am I correct? Does anyone
|
||
know?
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6523 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
05-Sep-90 06:18:15
|
||
Sb: #6521-#dead procs
|
||
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
That's right--an incoming signal will rouse a process from a F$Wait.
|
||
(Otherwise you couldn't get back a shell prompt with ctrl-c after firing up a
|
||
process that does no I/O to the screen.)
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6540 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
05-Sep-90 23:05:03
|
||
Sb: #6523-#dead procs
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
|
||
|
||
Along those lines, how does OS-9 know to send the signal to the shell instead
|
||
of to the forked program?
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6542 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
05-Sep-90 23:08:47
|
||
Sb: #6540-dead procs
|
||
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
The signal is sent to whatever process last did I/O to the path.
|
||
|
||
#: 6419 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
31-Aug-90 09:16:29
|
||
Sb: #6410-dead procs
|
||
Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
Again, James is on the money. In Xinu, of course, you get a SIGCLD (or is it
|
||
SIGCHLD?) signal when your child dies, which is a lot better, IMHO. When *I*
|
||
write programs that are spawning each other and do not want to wait(), I have
|
||
the child send SIGCLD to the parent every time before it exit()s.
|
||
Someone else could answer this, but I do not know how a parent shell knows
|
||
when its children die, but it does in OSK.
|
||
Mark
|
||
|
||
#: 6396 S15/Hot Topics
|
||
30-Aug-90 05:26:18
|
||
Sb: #New Patent on MPUs!
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: all
|
||
|
||
Oh boy! Here's one that makes the Hitachi/Motorola dispute look like nothing!
|
||
|
||
Gilbert Hyatt, an inventor from California, has finally received the patent he
|
||
applied for back in 1970... the patent covers a "single-chip integrated circuit
|
||
computer architecture" he invented in 1968. To you and me, that means he
|
||
appears to have the first broad patent on the MICROPROCESSOR!
|
||
|
||
The earliest previously granted patents were in 1973 from TI and Intel.
|
||
|
||
Whether it will stand up to challenge or not, is yet to be seen. However, as it
|
||
stands now, his patent could mean royalties for ALL microprocessors
|
||
manufactured from 1970-1987!
|
||
|
||
Wow. - kev
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6397 S15/Hot Topics
|
||
30-Aug-90 06:11:12
|
||
Sb: #6396-#New Patent on MPUs!
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
Oops. Actually, I don't know if the patent covers the 17 years starting from
|
||
1970, or starting now that it's been issued, until 2007. Either way, this one
|
||
should be fun to watch!
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6411 S15/Hot Topics
|
||
30-Aug-90 23:03:39
|
||
Sb: #6397-#New Patent on MPUs!
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
Sounds VERY interesting, kevin! Where'd you hear about this? Please keep us
|
||
posted!
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6417 S15/Hot Topics
|
||
31-Aug-90 06:52:11
|
||
Sb: #6411-#New Patent on MPUs!
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
Joe - actually, I read it in a Newsgrid item the other night, but since then
|
||
the news is all over. GO OLT90 and read up on it there, for example.
|
||
|
||
Oh. And I asked a lawyer in another forum, and he said that the patent (and
|
||
royalties, if he gets any) would start from now. Someone else pointed out that
|
||
lawyers all over the country must be drooling over this one! <grin>
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6432 S15/Hot Topics
|
||
31-Aug-90 23:19:21
|
||
Sb: #6417-New Patent on MPUs!
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
Hey, thanks Kevin. Sounds VERY interesting (colossal? Kids will be reading
|
||
about Washington, Lincoln, and the guy who got his MPU patent in history 10
|
||
years from now?) Wow.
|
||
|
||
#: 6426 S15/Hot Topics
|
||
31-Aug-90 20:34:19
|
||
Sb: #6396-#New Patent on MPUs!
|
||
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
The articles I read said his royalties start now (at date patent was issued)
|
||
not when he applied. Still looks like a big ticket if his patent withstands
|
||
challenges. Big names will probably mount big challenges, though. regards,
|
||
Ches.
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6447 S15/Hot Topics
|
||
01-Sep-90 10:10:09
|
||
Sb: #6426-#New Patent on MPUs!
|
||
Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153
|
||
To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X)
|
||
|
||
Ches;
|
||
|
||
News tonight (8/31) said that his royalties should amount to about $68M from
|
||
Intel alone with another $28M or so from Motorola -e a year!
|
||
|
||
Anybody got any ideas that they'd like to patent??
|
||
|
||
..Jim O_o AACK!
|
||
=( )=
|
||
U
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6462 S15/Hot Topics
|
||
01-Sep-90 22:46:58
|
||
Sb: #6447-New Patent on MPUs!
|
||
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
|
||
To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X)
|
||
|
||
I wonder how they determine the amount of royalty. I know (correction: think I
|
||
know) that it is on each piece sold, and I suppose it is a percentage - but
|
||
what percentage?? Ches.
|
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|
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#: 6401 S5/OS9 Users Group
|
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30-Aug-90 19:17:37
|
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Sb: glabel
|
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Fm: Chuck Watters 70115,536
|
||
To: J. Cluts/ 74126,27631
|
||
|
||
Jonathan-I have a DMP200 printer at home and an OKI83A in my office. I am
|
||
having a problem writing the printer driver for the OKI printer. The OKI does
|
||
not have underning. It uses dec 30 for 10cpi; dec 31 for wide print; dec 29 for
|
||
ced ; and 29,31 for Bold. What do you suggest. I can get the three fonts but am
|
||
unable to get the fonts & bold.
|
||
|
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#: 6402 S7/Telecommunications
|
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30-Aug-90 19:39:21
|
||
Sb: #6255-OSTERM
|
||
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
|
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To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
|
||
|
||
Hi James--I find I can get a backspace in VT-100 but not in ANSI!!!??
|
||
|
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#: 6404 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
30-Aug-90 19:42:45
|
||
Sb: #GFX2
|
||
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
|
||
To: Sysop Kevin Darling (X)
|
||
|
||
Hi Kev--Didja ever get a chance to look into that select quirk with GFX2
|
||
--CC3IO ?? I'm really impressed with GFX2 and its possibilities.
|
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|
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There is 1 Reply.
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|
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#: 6418 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
31-Aug-90 06:53:34
|
||
Sb: #6404-#GFX2
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
|
||
|
||
Phil - sorry, not yet. Mentioned it to Dale tho.
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|
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There is 1 Reply.
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|
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#: 6440 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
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01-Sep-90 08:42:41
|
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Sb: #6418-#GFX2
|
||
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
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Thanks Kev--By the way I dont seem to be able to get the wildcards to work in
|
||
shellplus. What am I missing?
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|
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There is 1 Reply.
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|
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#: 6457 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
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01-Sep-90 13:49:00
|
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Sb: #6440-#GFX2
|
||
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
|
||
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
|
||
|
||
Phil,
|
||
|
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First of all, what exactly are you trying to do with wildcards? Shell+ expands
|
||
wildcards within a command line, so if I type a command like "list *.c" and
|
||
there are three files, prog1.c, prog2.c and prog3.c, in the current data
|
||
directory, the actual command line generated is "list prog1.c prog2.c prog3.c".
|
||
|
||
This works great as long as the command issued can handle multiple file names.
|
||
A good example of one that does not work is the dir command, which assumes any
|
||
pathnames specified are directories. If I issue a "dir *.c", dir returns ERROR
|
||
#214.
|
||
|
||
I use the echo command to double check what really gets expanded using
|
||
wildcards, "echo *.c", for example. Another problem arises when the file list
|
||
generated by expanded wildcards is too long for the command being used. Many
|
||
commands assume that the input parameters won't be more than 255 bytes long.
|
||
|
||
Bill
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6458 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
01-Sep-90 17:56:33
|
||
Sb: #6457-#GFX2
|
||
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
|
||
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
|
||
|
||
Hi Bill--if I type list *.s--I get a 215. There is a file aif.she in the pwd. I
|
||
tried the line in the docs that uses fstat and I used it verbatim with the same
|
||
result.
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6489 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
03-Sep-90 15:31:10
|
||
Sb: #6458-#GFX2
|
||
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
|
||
To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X)
|
||
|
||
Phil, the error 215 is symptomatic of wildcards being disabled (as you
|
||
suspected). Which version of Shell+ are you using? Versions prior to 2.0 did
|
||
not support wildcards. Versions 2.0 and 2.1 require that you place a colon
|
||
(":") at the beginning of each line to enable wildcard expansion. To turn
|
||
wildcards on permanently, there is a patch file included. Bill
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6491 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
03-Sep-90 16:42:37
|
||
Sb: #6489-GFX2
|
||
Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545
|
||
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
|
||
|
||
Hi Bill I'm using 2.1. I just tried the colon as you said and it works.
|
||
Thanks!!
|
||
|
||
#: 6412 S6/Applications
|
||
30-Aug-90 23:34:02
|
||
Sb: #6291-ue and termcap
|
||
Fm: Greg Morse 72746,3451
|
||
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
|
||
|
||
OH. The old s/w would complain if it didn't know what the name meant. I'll do
|
||
ppn's from here. any help would be appreciated if it is not to much trouble,
|
||
yes i'd like a vt52 and vt100 entry. thanks - greg.
|
||
|
||
#: 6420 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
31-Aug-90 11:36:55
|
||
Sb: c bug
|
||
Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76
|
||
To: all
|
||
|
||
The following source will generate bad code from both c68 and c68020 that come
|
||
with 'cc' version 3.1. Both compilers will generate a call to float sized
|
||
addition in either the library or the trap lib, depending on the option
|
||
selected. The -k=2f option (or c68020 -t881) will generate inline fpu code
|
||
that is correct. Removing '++', using the '+=' shorthand, or removing
|
||
'register' will all permit the compilers to generate correct code. They don't
|
||
get much more obscure than this!
|
||
|
||
poly()
|
||
{
|
||
double accum;
|
||
register double *rdp;
|
||
|
||
accum = accum + *rdp++;
|
||
}
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
#: 6421 S5/OS9 Users Group
|
||
31-Aug-90 12:42:23
|
||
Sb: glabel
|
||
Fm: Chuck Watters 70115,536
|
||
To: J. CLUTS/ 74126,2736
|
||
|
||
Jonathan- see msg # 6401
|
||
|
||
#: 6423 S7/Telecommunications
|
||
31-Aug-90 14:48:33
|
||
Sb: #T3 troubles
|
||
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
|
||
To: All
|
||
|
||
I am having trouble with my t3 device. I have just recently added it to my
|
||
bootfile and everytime I try to open a path to it I get a module not found
|
||
error. It is definately in memory and each time I open a path the link counter
|
||
increments. Any ideas anyone?
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6428 S7/Telecommunications
|
||
31-Aug-90 21:40:25
|
||
Sb: #6423-#T3 troubles
|
||
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
|
||
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
|
||
|
||
What device driver are you telling it to use? Perhaps that's what it can't
|
||
find.
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6453 S7/Telecommunications
|
||
01-Sep-90 12:27:47
|
||
Sb: #6428-#T3 troubles
|
||
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
|
||
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
|
||
|
||
I would assume it uses ACIAPAK. I have that onlong with t2 and t3 in memory.
|
||
T2 works just fine.
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6456 S7/Telecommunications
|
||
01-Sep-90 13:48:50
|
||
Sb: #6453-#T3 troubles
|
||
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
|
||
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
|
||
|
||
Floyd,
|
||
|
||
Is the T3 you included in your boot file from the original system config disk?
|
||
If so, then its set up to use the MODPAK driver with a serial interface
|
||
addressed at $FF68 (like a standard T2 device.) MODPAK was written for the
|
||
modempak, will work with any 6551 serial port, but is limited to 300 baud.
|
||
|
||
If you want to use a second serial interface addressed at $FF6C (like a
|
||
modified RS232 pak) then use the M1 descriptor, which uses ACIAPAK. The other
|
||
option is M2, which uses MODPAK and a serial port addressed at $FF6C, the
|
||
standard modempak address. To summarize, the four Tandy serial device
|
||
descriptors are:
|
||
|
||
device address driver
|
||
|
||
T2 $FF68 ACIAPAK
|
||
T3 $FF68 MODPAK
|
||
M1 $FF6C ACIAPAK
|
||
M2 $FF6C MODPAK
|
||
|
||
These names are not an OS9 standard, however, and have been implemented in
|
||
different ways by different software and hardware vendors.
|
||
|
||
Bill
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6459 S7/Telecommunications
|
||
01-Sep-90 19:27:07
|
||
Sb: #6456-T3 troubles
|
||
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
|
||
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
|
||
|
||
Ah! Thanks, I'll give it a try.
|
||
|
||
Floyd
|
||
|
||
#: 6427 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
31-Aug-90 21:36:09
|
||
Sb: #6041-New gfx2
|
||
Fm: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
hi kev, thought I read where the gfx2 did the speed up of the drawing, but
|
||
could be I had them mixed up, in any case I put both of the grfdrv & the gfx2
|
||
in
|
||
|
||
Tazman and still came out ahead in speed. Seemed that the color came out a
|
||
|
||
little better when I put the new gfx2 in as well. B CEING U -w.
|
||
|
||
#: 6442 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
01-Sep-90 09:20:59
|
||
Sb: #OSK TSmon
|
||
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
|
||
To: ALL
|
||
|
||
Assuming OSK comes with a TSmon/login package, does the TSmon properly handle
|
||
baud rate detection?
|
||
|
||
Zack
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6443 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
01-Sep-90 09:27:10
|
||
Sb: #6442-#OSK TSmon
|
||
Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
|
||
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
|
||
|
||
Tsmon has NO ability to detect baud rates (like from a modem). Why I dunno.
|
||
It seems like such an obvious thing to do. The OSK software from TOPS had
|
||
someting to do baud rate detection in the older version of their stuff but I
|
||
didn't play with it to see if it worked.
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6517 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
04-Sep-90 22:56:36
|
||
Sb: #6443-#OSK TSmon
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 (X)
|
||
|
||
TSMon is meant for hardwired connections where no baud rate is needed. That is
|
||
why TSMon does not do auto-detect baud rate. If you need one, there are many
|
||
auto-detect TSMon-like programs for OS-9/CoCo, and I'm sure that with a little
|
||
hunting or such you could find one (or get someone to port one for you).
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6560 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
06-Sep-90 20:51:54
|
||
Sb: #6517-#OSK TSmon
|
||
Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
I'd guess that the port from 6809 to osk assembler would be no trivial task
|
||
being familar with both.
|
||
|
||
TOPS is supposed to have something available but I myself have never tried it.
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6623 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
09-Sep-90 12:30:06
|
||
Sb: #6560-#OSK TSmon
|
||
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
|
||
To: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 (X)
|
||
|
||
Jay,
|
||
|
||
Regarding porting stuff from 09 asm to 68k asm -- several of our developers are
|
||
really enjoying the switch and finding it no problem. So "porting" -- if you
|
||
take the phrase loosely enough -- should end up being less of a learning curve
|
||
that those Intel types had when they got the 386.
|
||
|
||
What I think we'll find, though, is that programs will get larger and perhaps a
|
||
little sloppier because we no longer have to optimize stuff to run fast and
|
||
small. Ah well.
|
||
|
||
paul
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6626 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
09-Sep-90 14:41:07
|
||
Sb: #6623-#OSK TSmon
|
||
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
|
||
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
|
||
|
||
Paul,
|
||
|
||
Larger and sloppier does, amazingly enough, have some advantages. I, for one,
|
||
will be very happy not to have to spend the time and energy trying to cram 37K
|
||
worth of program into 32K!
|
||
|
||
With all that memory to play with, software developers won't have to resort to
|
||
obscure, convoluted logic to get the job done. This means faster development
|
||
time and makes enhancements so much easier to program.
|
||
|
||
The small memory available per process also made it impossible to port a lot of
|
||
software to OS9 LII, with OSK, that limit no longer exists!
|
||
|
||
Bill
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6631 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
09-Sep-90 16:26:40
|
||
Sb: #6626-OSK TSmon
|
||
Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
|
||
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
|
||
|
||
Paul,
|
||
|
||
I found the learning curve for moving from 09 to 0x0 to be REAL short! I don't
|
||
EVEN want to go back to 09 after working with 0x0!
|
||
|
||
#: 6642 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
09-Sep-90 23:41:14
|
||
Sb: #6626-OSK TSmon
|
||
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
|
||
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
|
||
|
||
Bill,
|
||
|
||
Good points! I do think that many of the developers, you included, WILL benefit
|
||
from having to keep things tight and neat, though, adding even more pep to an
|
||
already peppy system.
|
||
|
||
Paul
|
||
|
||
#: 6445 S1/General Interest
|
||
01-Sep-90 09:49:30
|
||
Sb: #Browse nostop
|
||
Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
|
||
To: all
|
||
|
||
I'd like to be able to do a browse command and not have they system stop and
|
||
prompt me between each and every file. Something like "browse age:90 key:all
|
||
/nostop." Online help command doesn't.
|
||
|
||
Thanks, -J
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6449 S1/General Interest
|
||
01-Sep-90 10:26:26
|
||
Sb: #6445-Browse nostop
|
||
Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013
|
||
To: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 (X)
|
||
|
||
Jay, try: SCAN /DES/AGE:90
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
#: 6446 S1/General Interest
|
||
01-Sep-90 10:06:04
|
||
Sb: Juki 6100 Printer 4sale
|
||
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
|
||
To: All
|
||
|
||
|
||
I'm moving to a smaller place and no longer have the space to support 3 or 4
|
||
printers, so I'm unloading my little used Juki 6100 Daisywheel. It is a
|
||
standard daisywheel printer (emulates Diablo 630), has three print wheels, does
|
||
proportional printing, and manages around 20 CPS. I have also upgraded this
|
||
unit to include an optional 8K buffer RAM chip, and detachable tractor feed
|
||
unit. I have top covers for use with and without the tractor unit.
|
||
|
||
This unit produces excellent quality print, and is a good substitute until you
|
||
can afford a laser printer (my next purchase).
|
||
|
||
Anyway... first $100 + shipping (I'd expect around $15) gets it. I'll be moving
|
||
the next few days, so a phone response might be a better idea. Call (818)
|
||
706-5693 and leave voice mail.
|
||
|
||
Thanks..
|
||
|
||
Pete Lyall
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
#: 6451 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
01-Sep-90 11:17:50
|
||
Sb: wait()
|
||
Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
|
||
To: all
|
||
|
||
I uploaded into library # 12 (OSK) my function timedwait() that I use when I
|
||
wish to wait() for a process (keeps them zomby-like thingies down), but don't
|
||
want to stop processing just because my kid refuses to die!
|
||
I use this in an X.25 system where I fork a server on incoming call requests
|
||
and send a SIGHUP (#define SIGHUP 4) if the virtual circuit is cleared. If I
|
||
did not wait(), the process table would get rather humongous since I never die
|
||
(immortality is nice).
|
||
I would like to understand this bit about "keeping a path open" to children,
|
||
as it sounds a lot more elegant than what I'm doing. Could somebody please
|
||
'splain it to us, mon?
|
||
Mark
|
||
|
||
#: 6454 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
01-Sep-90 13:21:25
|
||
Sb: #6039-#Files with "-"!!!
|
||
Fm: Dwight D. McKay 75776,1521
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
That's really tempting... I Still wish I understood the reasons the folks who
|
||
wrote OS9 choose to do that ( make '-' an illeagal file name character ).
|
||
|
||
--Dwight D. McKay
|
||
--mckay@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu -or- ...rutgers!pur-ee!mckay
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6461 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
01-Sep-90 21:53:58
|
||
Sb: #6454-Files with "-"!!!
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: Dwight D. McKay 75776,1521
|
||
|
||
I kinda bet that they wished to leave "-" alone, so that command line options
|
||
could be found easier. Maybe??
|
||
|
||
#: 6455 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
01-Sep-90 13:21:32
|
||
Sb: #6084-#Files with "-"!!!
|
||
Fm: Dwight D. McKay 75776,1521
|
||
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)
|
||
|
||
Which UUCP are you using Ed? The TOP UUCP seems to be hopelessly unable to
|
||
deal with '-''s in UUCP site names.
|
||
|
||
--Dwight D. McKay
|
||
--mckay@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu -or- ...rutgers!pur-ee!mckay
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6479 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
03-Sep-90 12:21:54
|
||
Sb: #6455-#Files with "-"!!!
|
||
Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
|
||
To: Dwight D. McKay 75776,1521
|
||
|
||
The problem is not with UUCP but with OS9. OS9 does not permit the use of a
|
||
hyphen in a file name.
|
||
|
||
On the Coco, I'm using the new UUCP Mark Griffith is finishing up. However, to
|
||
cope with the hyphen problem, I've had to set-up alias files to provide
|
||
alternate names.
|
||
|
||
Mark is in the process of porting his version of UUCP to OSK. As soon as he
|
||
releases some source code to me, I'll modify it for aliase names.
|
||
|
||
Ed
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
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#: 6512 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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04-Sep-90 22:02:11
|
||
Sb: #6479-Files with "-"!!!
|
||
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
|
||
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)
|
||
|
||
Ed,
|
||
|
||
Actually, I think he's got uucp running on the MM/1 already.
|
||
|
||
Paul
|
||
|
||
#: 6460 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
01-Sep-90 20:46:29
|
||
Sb: RSDOSplus
|
||
Fm: ROGER SMITH 72057,2364
|
||
To: 72007,1737 (X)
|
||
|
||
Craig.. Can you tell me where to find the driver SDisk which is required with
|
||
RSDOSplus? How does it interact with the usual drivers d0.dd, d1.dd etc?
|
||
Thanks...I hope RSDOSplus is going to solve a problem for me. Rog.
|
||
|
||
#: 6463 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
02-Sep-90 05:17:18
|
||
Sb: #6194-#SPoker
|
||
Fm: Richard Taylor 73137,3324
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
Yes, I did see Zack's message about him uploading View 4.0, I already have
|
||
downloaded it, thanks.
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
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||
|
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#: 6518 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
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04-Sep-90 22:59:24
|
||
Sb: #6463-SPoker
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: Richard Taylor 73137,3324
|
||
|
||
Glad you found it. And thanks to Zack for uploading it.
|
||
|
||
#: 6469 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
02-Sep-90 16:08:28
|
||
Sb: #DIGITIZED SOUND
|
||
Fm: GENE TURNBOW 72457,220
|
||
To: all
|
||
|
||
Has anybody had a chance to play with the DIGITIZE program recently uploaded?
|
||
It looks like it should produce some very high quality sound, if I see this
|
||
right.
|
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|
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There is 1 Reply.
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|
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#: 6481 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
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03-Sep-90 13:12:01
|
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Sb: #6469-DIGITIZED SOUND
|
||
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
|
||
To: GENE TURNBOW 72457,220
|
||
|
||
Yeah, I've played around with it. The sound quality is very good. Now if
|
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someone would just write an sound editor, then we'd really be cooking!
|
||
|
||
#: 6470 S9/Utilities
|
||
02-Sep-90 20:20:47
|
||
Sb: #extension
|
||
Fm: Stanley L. Goldsberry 72060,2720
|
||
To: [F] All
|
||
|
||
I understand most of the extensions. such as asm, bin, txt,b09 but what is
|
||
significant about the PAK extension is there a tutorial on this Also I need the
|
||
IPATCH utility mentioned in the CC3DISK to complete the cc3disk patch do you
|
||
know what library it is in I can't seem to find it in DL9 signed stan
|
||
goldsberry 72060,2720
|
||
|
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There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6471 S9/Utilities
|
||
02-Sep-90 21:25:45
|
||
Sb: #6470-extension
|
||
Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013
|
||
To: Stanley L. Goldsberry 72060,2720 (X)
|
||
|
||
Stanley, PAK is just another file compression program. See PAK.BIN in Lib 10.
|
||
It's pretty self documenting if you invoke it with no arguments.
|
||
|
||
I took the liberty of forwarding your message to "All" so that one of the other
|
||
folks could help with the Ipatch question.
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
#: 6472 S9/Utilities
|
||
02-Sep-90 23:16:30
|
||
Sb: #6470-extension
|
||
Fm: JOHN R. WAINWRIGHT 72517,676
|
||
To: Stanley L. Goldsberry 72060,2720 (X)
|
||
|
||
Hi Stanley,
|
||
Probably, the reason you can't find "IPATCH" is because it is contained
|
||
in an archive called "PATCH.AR" in DL-10 - pretty sneaky, heh? I see Mike Ward
|
||
already answered your other question. Anyway, go to DL-10 and download
|
||
"patch.ar". JohnW
|
||
|
||
#: 6476 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
03-Sep-90 08:27:37
|
||
Sb: #PT68-K4
|
||
Fm: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327
|
||
To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
Hi, Kevin. Just thot I'd let you know: I finally got around to getting the
|
||
latest of PT's offerings, which is the K4. It's basically a -K2 with more RAM
|
||
(0.5 .. 4Meg, expandable to 16Meg), and with all the things fixed that I didn't
|
||
like about the -K2, viz.:
|
||
|
||
(1) It now has proper vectored interrupts, getting rid of that crazy INT 5
|
||
arrangement
|
||
|
||
(2) It has a four-layer board, so runs reliably at 16MHz (so far)
|
||
|
||
There are a few other nice improvements: 4 serial ports standard instead of 2,
|
||
NEC 765 + 1772 controller (apparently, the 1772 can't read some PC disks), etc.
|
||
|
||
I also got OS-9 with it. Awhile back, the situation was that OS-9 only worked
|
||
with a separate terminal, but not with the PC keyboard and Herc card. That's
|
||
been fixed, and now it seems to use the Herc CRT very nicely.
|
||
|
||
Now all I have to do is to (a) figure out how to persuade SK*DOS, OS-9, and
|
||
Minix to coexist on my 40Meg HD, and (b) learn how to use OS-9.
|
||
|
||
Best, Jack
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6478 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
03-Sep-90 12:19:16
|
||
Sb: #6476-#PT68-K4
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327 (X)
|
||
|
||
Jack - hey, thanks for the mini-review!
|
||
|
||
Does the keybd/gfx card use any default terminal codes?
|
||
|
||
And I'm glad you got OS-9 with it. We may be able to save your soul after all
|
||
<grin> !! Oh, with luck OS9 should support a partition on your hard disk...
|
||
try setting the LSN offset stuff in your disk descriptor and... ummm... I guess
|
||
you got the os9 hard disk driver, right? Better ask that first.
|
||
|
||
best - kev
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6530 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
05-Sep-90 16:09:31
|
||
Sb: #6478-#PT68-K4
|
||
Fm: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
Glad you liked the info, Kevin. Re the keybd/gfx interface, I don't know
|
||
enough yet about how they're handled by OS-9, but it seems that they're
|
||
definitely not treated as a glass TTY. The system comes up with an impressive
|
||
looking semi-graphics screen, so I'm sure they're at least doing cursor control
|
||
codes.
|
||
|
||
As it turns out, I ended up with the OS-9 disks by mistake, and so they're
|
||
basically bootlegged. Peripheral Technology has been giving $300 tradein
|
||
allowances on the older boards (how many companies have you seen that would do
|
||
that??), and so what they did was send updated versions of all the software.
|
||
They didn't know that I didn't have OS-9 before, so it was just a simple
|
||
screw-up.
|
||
|
||
I never wanted OS-9, in spite of its reputation, because it always seemed a bit
|
||
overpriced to me. Spending $400 for the CPU and $600 for the OS never seemed
|
||
to make much sense. Also, the early versions for the PT-68 didn't use the
|
||
KB/CRT at all, but required a separate terminal, which defeats the whole
|
||
purpose.
|
||
|
||
But OS-9 is now listing for $299, and this new version seems very well
|
||
integrated, and booted right up. So I called PT yesterday and got them to bill
|
||
me for the system to make me legal, and send the manuals. Looks like I'll soon
|
||
be OS-9'ing for real. I guess I'm glad they made the mistake, or I'd never
|
||
have considered it.
|
||
|
||
It turns out I could end up with no less than _SIX_ OS's: SK*DOS, OS-9,
|
||
CP/M-68K, K-OS, Minix, and the one I'm writing. Something for everyone! Let's
|
||
see the PC guys top that!
|
||
|
||
Jack
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6532 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
05-Sep-90 21:31:04
|
||
Sb: #6530-PT68-K4
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327 (X)
|
||
|
||
Jack - sounds great!
|
||
|
||
And watch out... a lot of us had started on writing our own OSs, then found OS9
|
||
and well... just stopped <grin>. Not that I can't think of some things I'd
|
||
like to add to OS9 myself, but you'll see what I mean, I think.
|
||
|
||
Hey, what's "K-OS", btw?
|
||
|
||
#: 6557 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
06-Sep-90 19:11:49
|
||
Sb: #6530-#PT68-K4
|
||
Fm: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327
|
||
To: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327 (X)
|
||
|
||
A couple of years ago, MicroCornucopia sponsored an effort (actually, more than
|
||
one) to get some kind of 16-bit hobby computer going. MicroC got started as
|
||
the "house organ" for the Big Board Z80 SBC, which evolved into the Xerox 820
|
||
and finally the Kaypro. I think their idea was to do it again, only with 16 or
|
||
more bits. There were a couple of tries, including National 32000 chips and a
|
||
couple of coprocessor boards for PC's.
|
||
|
||
At the MicroC SOG in 1988, Joe Bartel of Hawthorne industries announced the
|
||
"Tiny Giant," which was a 68000-based system in 5.25" disk drive form factor,
|
||
like the Ampro. In other words, the PC board would bolt to the side of a disk
|
||
drive. To make it useful for anything, Hawthorne also developed both a
|
||
programming language and an operating system, the latter being called K-OS.
|
||
Joe freely admits that it was a rough cut just to get something going, but
|
||
their concepts were pretty neat. They developed a stack-oriented language
|
||
called HTPL, which was a FORTH-like language but with much more of a
|
||
Pascal-like syntax. K-OS was then written in HTPL. They even had a Pascal
|
||
compiler, which used HTPL as the P-code.
|
||
|
||
Shortly after I got the PT68 and had written the review for MicroC, Joe Bartel
|
||
called me and asked me to port K-OS to the system. I told him that I would,
|
||
but warned him it would be awhile ... at that point I was working hot & heavy
|
||
on my compiler tutorial series, and also was committed to writing a debugger
|
||
and linker for the PT-68. Joe said that was OK, and he sent me a "developer's
|
||
kit," which consists of all the S/W, plus a cross-assembler and sample BIOS, to
|
||
run on a PC. I never got the thing ported, and I understand that Joe &
|
||
Hawthorne moved on to bigger and better things ... they got a big hardware
|
||
contract and couldn't care less what happens to K-OS. So I still have the
|
||
system waiting to be ported. I plan to do it Real Soon Now.
|
||
|
||
Jack
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6566 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
07-Sep-90 03:32:38
|
||
Sb: #6557-PT68-K4
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327 (X)
|
||
|
||
Aha. Thanks! Another little piece of microhistory to stow away for future
|
||
trivia games <grin>!
|
||
|
||
#: 6477 S15/Hot Topics
|
||
03-Sep-90 08:51:49
|
||
Sb: Atlanta CoCoFEST
|
||
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
|
||
To: All
|
||
|
||
Folks,
|
||
|
||
The lastest information on the upcoming CoCoFEST in Atlanta can be found in the
|
||
CoCo Forum's Library 12. Browse FESTIN.TXT for the meat and potatoes.
|
||
|
||
Steve
|
||
|
||
#: 6482 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
03-Sep-90 13:22:36
|
||
Sb: #X10 on CoCo3?
|
||
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
|
||
To: ALL
|
||
|
||
Has anyone gotten Pete Lyall's X10 controller program to work with
|
||
OS9 Level 2 on a CoCo3?
|
||
|
||
What I'm wondering about is the device. Pete mentions that you should
|
||
use device /t1. Now, /t1 on a CoCo3 is the bitbanger port, which
|
||
has problems with accurate two way communications. It would be fine
|
||
with me to use /t1, since I wouldn't have to rig up an A/B switch
|
||
to switch between the X10 and my modem.
|
||
|
||
Any ideas?
|
||
Zack
|
||
|
||
There are 3 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6486 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
03-Sep-90 13:50:54
|
||
Sb: #6482-#X10 on CoCo3?
|
||
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
|
||
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
|
||
|
||
Zack,
|
||
|
||
I've used Pete's X10 stuff for a while ... no major changes were needed. I just
|
||
used dEd to diddle the reference of /t1 to one of my other serial ports. Baud
|
||
rate is 600 (as I recall) and I believe I zapped the descriptor to all ohs.
|
||
|
||
Steve
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6492 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
03-Sep-90 16:46:39
|
||
Sb: #6486-#X10 on CoCo3?
|
||
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
|
||
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
|
||
|
||
So, you're going out a regular RS232 and not the bitbanger, I take it?
|
||
|
||
Zack
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6504 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
04-Sep-90 07:14:10
|
||
Sb: #6492-X10 on CoCo3?
|
||
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
|
||
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
|
||
|
||
Yup ... the bit banger is used for the printer here ... and that's not even
|
||
working very well.
|
||
|
||
Steve
|
||
|
||
#: 6490 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
03-Sep-90 15:31:16
|
||
Sb: #6482-X10 on CoCo3?
|
||
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
|
||
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
|
||
|
||
Zack,
|
||
|
||
You'll have to use your modem port (unless you want to try to use the BITBANG
|
||
driver). I've use X10 for years, right now its plugged into one of my COMM-4
|
||
ports. At one point in the past I rigged a relay off of the cassette motor
|
||
on/of switch to switch between my modem and the X10 controller.
|
||
|
||
Most of the values in the descriptor are 00, except for eor, which is set to
|
||
$0D and baud, which is set to $02 (600 baud).
|
||
|
||
Bill
|
||
|
||
#: 6618 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
09-Sep-90 08:44:17
|
||
Sb: #6482-X10 on CoCo3?
|
||
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
|
||
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
|
||
|
||
Zack,
|
||
|
||
A thought occured to me last night on your continued problems in getting x10 to
|
||
work.
|
||
|
||
Do you have tsmon still running at the time you're trying to diddle with the
|
||
serial port? If so, try killing that off, then zapping the descriptor, and go.
|
||
|
||
Steve
|
||
|
||
#: 6483 S1/General Interest
|
||
03-Sep-90 13:23:49
|
||
Sb: #X10 pin out
|
||
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
|
||
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
|
||
|
||
Pete,
|
||
|
||
I am in the process of setting up my X10 controller. I have had it for
|
||
several months and I now find that I have mis-placed my manual for it.
|
||
Do you have yours handy? What I need is the pin out on the 5-pin DIN
|
||
socket of the X10 so I can rig up a cable. Thanks!
|
||
|
||
Zack
|
||
|
||
There are 3 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6487 S1/General Interest
|
||
03-Sep-90 13:57:19
|
||
Sb: #6483-#X10 pin out
|
||
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
|
||
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
|
||
|
||
Zack,
|
||
|
||
|
||
Since Pete's got the moving bug again, I'm betting he won't be able to lay
|
||
hands on the manual. So:
|
||
|
||
Looking at the back of the interface, pin 5 is on your left ... 1 is on your
|
||
right.
|
||
|
||
1 nada
|
||
2 receive (input)
|
||
3 ground
|
||
4 transmit (output)
|
||
5 nada
|
||
|
||
It's 8 bit, no parity and one stop. I've already mentioned the baud rate.
|
||
|
||
Give a holler is you need anything else.
|
||
|
||
Steve
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6494 S1/General Interest
|
||
03-Sep-90 16:50:28
|
||
Sb: #6487-X10 pin out
|
||
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
|
||
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
|
||
|
||
Thanks!
|
||
|
||
#: 6496 S1/General Interest
|
||
03-Sep-90 19:22:45
|
||
Sb: #6487-#X10 pin out
|
||
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
|
||
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
|
||
|
||
Steve,
|
||
|
||
Thanks for the X10 pin out info. Just to clarify things, a 5 pin DIN
|
||
socket is labelled, right to left, 1-4-2-5s3. Assuming you weren't
|
||
taking that into account the "real" pin-out for the X10 would be:
|
||
|
||
1 - nada
|
||
4 - receive (input)
|
||
2 - ground
|
||
5 - transmit (output)
|
||
3 - nada
|
||
|
||
Is that right?
|
||
|
||
Zack
|
||
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6505 S1/General Interest
|
||
04-Sep-90 07:18:22
|
||
Sb: #6496-X10 pin out
|
||
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
|
||
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
|
||
|
||
Hmmmm ... I wonder how well I can do this in the forum's editor? Again, looking at the back of the _unit_ (direct from the manual
|
||
pages):
|
||
|
||
|
||
5 o o 1
|
||
|
||
4 o o 2
|
||
|
||
o 3
|
||
|
||
|
||
1 nada
|
||
2 receive (input)
|
||
3 ground
|
||
4 transmit (output)
|
||
5 nada
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
Bettter?
|
||
|
||
Steve
|
||
|
||
#: 6526 S1/General Interest
|
||
05-Sep-90 11:35:18
|
||
Sb: #6483-X10 pin out
|
||
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
|
||
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
|
||
|
||
Zack -
|
||
|
||
Unfortunately, I don't have _diddley_ handy.... everything I own is in boxes in
|
||
the new house. It'll take about a week or so to recover....
|
||
|
||
Pete
|
||
|
||
#: 6528 S1/General Interest
|
||
05-Sep-90 11:57:09
|
||
Sb: #6483-X10 pin out
|
||
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
|
||
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
|
||
|
||
Zack -
|
||
|
||
X10 requires a bidirectional dialog... therefore, bitbanger usage is probably
|
||
not going to be successful.
|
||
|
||
Pete
|
||
|
||
#: 6484 S4/MIDI and Music
|
||
03-Sep-90 13:25:30
|
||
Sb: #midi with level 1
|
||
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
|
||
To: ALL
|
||
|
||
I have a friend who uses a CoCo2 with a midi synth. He is working on
|
||
a custom midi driver for OS9 Level 1 and asked me if I could find
|
||
a driver program for him. He is not a CIS subscriber.
|
||
|
||
I downloaded midisf.asm from the midi lib for him. He has assembled
|
||
it and made some attempts to use it. But when he writes to the midi
|
||
device he gets an error 203, Illegal mode. He has verified that the
|
||
"write enable" flag in the device descriptor is set.
|
||
|
||
Any one got any ideas on what his problem is?
|
||
|
||
Thanks,
|
||
Zack
|
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|
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 6529 S4/MIDI and Music
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05-Sep-90 11:59:45
|
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Sb: #6484-midi with level 1
|
||
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
|
||
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
|
||
|
||
Zack -
|
||
|
||
Let's see a dump of the 1st 20 bytes of the descriptor.... is the mode byte set
|
||
to $FF?
|
||
|
||
Pete
|
||
|
||
#: 6488 S1/General Interest
|
||
03-Sep-90 14:01:33
|
||
Sb: #6271-Atlanta Fest
|
||
Fm: Spencer R. Lepley 70136,35
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
|
||
Kevin, I don't live in Atlanta (Tallahassee, FL, about 5-1/2 hours away), but
|
||
my AAA TourBook lists about six other hotel/motels in the immediate area around
|
||
the Fest. I'm really looking forward to this get together because, as you
|
||
said, a Fest is finally in my neck of the woods.
|
||
|
||
#: 6497 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
03-Sep-90 20:28:53
|
||
Sb: #Strip Poker
|
||
Fm: judd terrell 72217,714
|
||
To: 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
I have tried to use your Strip Poker game... The Picture files of the girls do
|
||
fine... The game will start and ask for opponent and directory location... Then
|
||
the first picture comes up, the program tries to access another "file" and
|
||
crashes as though "File Not Found"... Any suggestions? KD's GFX2 and FIX,
|
||
SYSCALL, INKEY, RUNB are all there, but still crashes...
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
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#: 6520 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
04-Sep-90 23:06:49
|
||
Sb: #6497-#Strip Poker
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: judd terrell 72217,714 (X)
|
||
|
||
What do you type when asked for the directory? If it is the current data dir
|
||
already, you can just hit [ENTER]. Try that and see what happens, because it
|
||
sound like it either can't find View or the pics. . .
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
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#: 6629 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
09-Sep-90 15:32:34
|
||
Sb: #6520-Strip Poker
|
||
Fm: judd terrell 72217,714
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
Will try [ENTER] and see, but the first pic of girl loads OK, it seems like it
|
||
can't find "cards"... Are they also VEF pics, or is it another file name... I
|
||
can check with ident and be sure all are packed in file... Thanx... Judd...
|
||
|
||
#: 6498 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
03-Sep-90 20:52:52
|
||
Sb: #5979-#hard drive info
|
||
Fm: BRETT 72057,3720
|
||
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
|
||
|
||
Greeting-
|
||
Please uucp it to me. rewop!wa3yre!wynkoop. Sorry for the late reply,
|
||
but I went away for a while shortly after my posting.
|
||
|
||
-Brett
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6506 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
04-Sep-90 07:19:39
|
||
Sb: #6498-#hard drive info
|
||
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
|
||
To: BRETT 72057,3720 (X)
|
||
|
||
Brett,
|
||
|
||
Have you checked in on rewop lately? I sent the file way back .... and nothing
|
||
bounced. Let me know if it's missing.
|
||
|
||
Steve
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6516 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
04-Sep-90 22:41:12
|
||
Sb: #6506-#hard drive info
|
||
Fm: BRETT 72057,3720
|
||
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
|
||
|
||
Greeting-
|
||
I think Mark removed my account on rewop. Can you send it to wa3yre?
|
||
....rewop!wa3yre!wynkoop I will check with Mark in the morning and see if my
|
||
account is active on rewop or not.
|
||
|
||
-Brett
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6525 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
05-Sep-90 07:44:57
|
||
Sb: #6516-#hard drive info
|
||
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
|
||
To: BRETT 72057,3720 (X)
|
||
|
||
On it's way
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6527 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
05-Sep-90 11:51:18
|
||
Sb: #6525-hard drive info
|
||
Fm: BRETT 72057,3720
|
||
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
|
||
|
||
thanks
|
||
|
||
#: 6499 S6/Applications
|
||
03-Sep-90 20:57:22
|
||
Sb: #5994-Emacs
|
||
Fm: BRETT 72057,3720
|
||
To: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 (X)
|
||
|
||
Greeting-
|
||
I direct all questions about Microemacs
|
||
|
||
to Simmy Turner. I do not have the source as I said in the readme. I know
|
||
nothing about the internals, or what features are implemented. the info I
|
||
posted with it is all I have. Most of that was found experamently.
|
||
|
||
If you want more info contact Simmy and then pass it along for everyone else.
|
||
See if you can shake the source out of him. I am sure there are folks on the
|
||
forum who could improve on what is already there if they had the code.
|
||
|
||
-Brett
|
||
|
||
#: 6500 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
03-Sep-90 20:58:42
|
||
Sb: #6147-#TAR
|
||
Fm: BRETT 72057,3720
|
||
To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631 (X)
|
||
|
||
Greeting-
|
||
No hardware requirements. tar will work on any drive you have (tape or
|
||
disk).
|
||
|
||
-Brett
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6501 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
03-Sep-90 21:35:00
|
||
Sb: #6500-#TAR
|
||
Fm: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631
|
||
To: BRETT 72057,3720 (X)
|
||
|
||
I was unaware that there was a tape drive for the COCO 3, is there a tape drive
|
||
and driver and descriptor ??? that will work ?
|
||
Joerg
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6515 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
04-Sep-90 22:38:48
|
||
Sb: #6501-TAR
|
||
Fm: BRETT 72057,3720
|
||
To: JOERG SATTLER 74016,631
|
||
|
||
Greeting-
|
||
Some say that a fellow in australia has come up with a tape driver and
|
||
descriptor for the cassette port. Any scsi unit will work you just have to
|
||
write the driver/descriptor and hook it to your disto 4in1. I have no tape and
|
||
tar requires no tape. Download and read the docs for all the details.
|
||
|
||
-Brett
|
||
|
||
#: 6508 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
04-Sep-90 17:33:36
|
||
Sb: ##pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
|
||
To: jack crenshaw 72325,1327 (X)
|
||
|
||
|
||
Hi Jack!
|
||
|
||
I don't use the mono adapter/monitor but I checked my handy-dandy IBM book and
|
||
found the following data for the Hercules Graphics Card. This information can
|
||
be found in pages 147 - 148 of 'IBM Microcomputers, A Programmer's Handbook' by
|
||
Sanchez and Canton published by McGraw-Hill.
|
||
|
||
There is a warning:
|
||
'INCORRECT PROGRAMMING CAN DAMAGE THE MONITOR'
|
||
|
||
The following is for the HGC Display Control Register at port 3B8H (write only)
|
||
|
||
Bit 0 - 1
|
||
Bit 1 - Mode Select - 0 = Text Mode
|
||
1 = Graphics Mode
|
||
Bit 2 - 0
|
||
Bit 3 - Video - 0 = Disabled
|
||
1 = Enabled
|
||
Bit 4 - 0
|
||
Bit 5 - Blink - 0 = On
|
||
1 = Off
|
||
Bit 6 - 0
|
||
Bit 7 - Graphics Page Select - 0 = Select page 0
|
||
1 = Select page 1
|
||
|
||
NORMAL SETTINGS:
|
||
Alpha mode: 00101001B = 29H
|
||
Page 0 in graphics mode: 00101011B = 2BH
|
||
Page 1 in graphics mode: 10101011B = ABH
|
||
|
||
The following is for the HGC Display Status Register at port 3BAH (read only)
|
||
|
||
Bit 0 - Video Signal State - 0 = Vertical Retrace
|
||
1 = Scanning
|
||
Bit 1 - Light Pen Flip-Flop
|
||
Bit 2 - Not used
|
||
Bit 3 - 0 = Dot not being written
|
||
1 = Dot being written
|
||
Bit 4 - Not used
|
||
Bit 5 - Not used
|
||
Bit 6 - Not used
|
||
Bit 7 - Vertical Synchronization Signal - 0 = Raster in vertical retrace
|
||
|
||
The following is for the HGC Configuration Switch at port 3BFH (read-write)
|
||
|
||
Bit 0 - 1 = Graphics mode allowed
|
||
Bit 1 = Access to page 1 allowed
|
||
Bits 2 thru 7 - Not used
|
||
|
||
HGC CONFIGURATIONS:
|
||
00 = DIAG (default)
|
||
10 = HALF (CGA compatible)
|
||
11 = FULL (text/graphics)
|
||
|
||
I hope the above information is of help.
|
||
|
||
Ed
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6531 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
05-Sep-90 16:09:40
|
||
Sb: #6508-##pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327
|
||
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)
|
||
|
||
Ed, thanks for the info. I had that already, tho. There's a book out that
|
||
describes the Herc card pretty thoroughly, and I have that. What I was really
|
||
looking for was C-code examples.
|
||
|
||
You have to approach all of this pretty gingerly, because of that warning you
|
||
quoted. As far as I know, the IBM PC is the only computer system ever designed
|
||
in which a software bug can and will destroy the hardware. Ain't progress
|
||
wonderful?
|
||
|
||
We used to say, when teaching neophyte programmers, "Don't be afraid to try
|
||
things or to make a mistake. Nothing you type is going to hurt the machine."
|
||
When you're programming the CRT, though, this is definitely _NOT_ the case,
|
||
anymore.
|
||
|
||
Jack
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6546 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
06-Sep-90 03:29:06
|
||
Sb: #6531-##pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
|
||
To: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327 (X)
|
||
|
||
Here is a program I wrote using the using the info Ed gave me abount setting up
|
||
the Herc card. When I run the program it puts the card into Herc graphics mode
|
||
but in the process it turns the snowy and wavy. This I suppose is the
|
||
'graphics' mode but only half way I guess. #include <stdio.h> #define
|
||
VID_CARD 0xD70001 #define HGC_CONT 0xFA0771 #define HGC_CONF 0xFA077F
|
||
#define HGC_STAT 0xFA0775 * These defines are set to configure the Herc
|
||
graphics card.
|
||
The formula to convert IBM addresses (video) to PT68K
|
||
addresses is (IBMVid * 2) + C00001.
|
||
|
||
For non-video conversions: (IBM * 2) + FA0001. */
|
||
|
||
char *video = VID_CARD; unsigned char *v_controll = HGC_CONT; unsigned char
|
||
*v_config = HGC_CONF; unsigned char *v_stat = HGC_STAT; char c; int i,n;
|
||
|
||
main() { video = (char *) VID_CARD; v_controll = (unsigned char *) HGC_CONT;
|
||
v_config = (unsigned char *) HGC_CONF;
|
||
|
||
*v_controll =0x2b; *v_config = 0x1;
|
||
|
||
printf("%x\n",*v_controll); printf("%x\n",*v_config);
|
||
|
||
video = (char *) VID_CARD; for (i=0;i<2000;i++)
|
||
{
|
||
*video++ =0xff; } }
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6558 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
06-Sep-90 19:11:53
|
||
Sb: #6546-##pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327
|
||
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
|
||
|
||
OK, Scott. Thanks. Your description doesn't exactly fill me with enthusiasm,
|
||
but I guess it's a good starting place. I'll take a look at the code and see
|
||
what I can make of it. Thanks again.
|
||
|
||
Jack
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6562 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
06-Sep-90 23:03:32
|
||
Sb: #6558-##pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
|
||
To: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327 (X)
|
||
|
||
Hey Jack this news WILL fill you with enthisiasm!!!
|
||
I went to Peripherial Technology for it is just doun the road. Fred is
|
||
working on a EGA/VGA driver for the k2/k4. He showed me some VGA slide shows on
|
||
the k2 and they look TERRIFIC. If you have ever looked at any of the IBM VGA
|
||
slide shows you'll know what I am talking about. He says he will eventually
|
||
develop graphics primatives for the drivers, but the 'slide shows' was enough
|
||
to convince me to buy.
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6567 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
07-Sep-90 04:30:41
|
||
Sb: #6562-##pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327
|
||
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
|
||
|
||
That is good news, Scott. Most of the people I know who are using the PT68 use
|
||
it only as a glass TTY ... Unix-oriented folks, mostly. It's always bothered
|
||
me that we haven't done more to explore the graphics-oriented aspects that the
|
||
H/W is capable of. As soon as I got the -K2, I got a book on the Herc board
|
||
and set out to find out how to use its graphics capabilities.
|
||
|
||
But somehow, it all fell by the wayside, in favor of more pressing matters like
|
||
how to get a screen editor that worked, to replace EDLIN!!! Or a linker. I've
|
||
spent two years, off & on, with SK*DOS. Those are the kinds of things we have
|
||
to worry about with it. I really like the general concepts of SK*DOS ... I've
|
||
referred to it as the CP/M of the 90's. That is, I prefer simple, small, OS's
|
||
that let me get to the hardware with a minimum of fuss, and upon which I can
|
||
build the rest of the pieces I need. But SK*DOS hasn't done much lately, and
|
||
the user base that you need to get public-domain programs floating around just
|
||
isn't there.
|
||
|
||
I'd love to see what the -K4 can do with VGA. My guess is that, given the
|
||
speed of the processor and the large amount of RAM the CPU can hold, it could
|
||
be spectacular. Who knows, maybe mice and icons are only a (shudder!) step
|
||
away.
|
||
|
||
Jack
|
||
|
||
Jack
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6569 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
07-Sep-90 07:08:47
|
||
Sb: #6567-##pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327 (X)
|
||
|
||
Jack - oh, they are! (mice and icons close by) As soon as I can get ahold of
|
||
a PT/VGA setup, we'll be porting my (still being worked-on) OSK windowing
|
||
system to it. The Atari port isn't far off, and of course the MM/1 and
|
||
hopefully the TC70 will be running it, too.
|
||
|
||
Got any ideas, now's the time to pop me on the head <grin>!
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6574 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
07-Sep-90 18:58:27
|
||
Sb: #6569-##pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
Well, let's not get carried away with this thing, Kev. If OS-9 starts
|
||
displaying little trash cans, I'm outta here!
|
||
|
||
Jack
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6576 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
07-Sep-90 21:07:10
|
||
Sb: #6574-##pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
|
||
To: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327 (X)
|
||
|
||
Don't worry, Jack, there are plenty of command line die hards (and I count
|
||
myself among them) that will seldom use some of the slick mouse/icon stuff.
|
||
Remember, however, that that kind of interface is extremely important for a
|
||
very large percentage of computer users. Just like the talk show hosts say, if
|
||
you don't like it, turn it off! If you don't want those little trashcan icons,
|
||
don't use that interface. Note to developers: please remember that there are
|
||
users that don't like rodents, or pull down menus, or cute little icons!
|
||
|
||
Bill
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6592 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
08-Sep-90 09:55:04
|
||
Sb: #6576-##pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327
|
||
To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
|
||
|
||
Whew. That's a relief, Bill. When I first saw the Mac, I fell in love with
|
||
all the slick graphics stuff. I also bought one of the first Amigas. I
|
||
quickly fell out of love again when I learned;
|
||
|
||
(1) How much of the computer resources, both CPU time and memory, go into
|
||
supporting the stuff
|
||
|
||
(2) How _HUGE_ the applications are
|
||
|
||
(3) The fact that programming for a GUI can become your life's work
|
||
|
||
My idea of the ideal OS is one that's absolutely minimalist, but also modular.
|
||
In other words, all I really want the OS vendor to build in is the essentials:
|
||
File system, file & device I/O, and program control. Then anybody who wants to
|
||
can add their own favorite user interfaces. I'm working on one like thap`3or
|
||
the PT-68.
|
||
|
||
Jack
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6598 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
08-Sep-90 12:59:37
|
||
Sb: #6592-#pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327 (X)
|
||
|
||
Jack - my entire club went down to look at the first Amigas... we were excited
|
||
until we found out that the editor and other programs weren't reentrant... you
|
||
had to take up memory for another copy each time you started another session
|
||
multitasking.
|
||
|
||
Amiga programmers are getting better at writing more programs as reentrant, but
|
||
an awful lot of stuff still isn't. Always seemed like a waste of a 68000's
|
||
talents to me. I used to accuse them of treating the 680x0 cpus as "giant
|
||
6502s" <grin>.
|
||
|
||
#: 6620 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
09-Sep-90 12:17:50
|
||
Sb: #6574-##pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
|
||
To: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327 (X)
|
||
|
||
Jack,
|
||
|
||
Now, trash cans are sometimes OK for some people, so don t go crazy. Any
|
||
windowing system worth it's salt will let you configure certain parts -- and
|
||
give you access to a shell, so you can circumvent cute icons when you're hot
|
||
and heavy.
|
||
|
||
I use multivue from time to time, when my brain is too fried to use the
|
||
characterbased approach.
|
||
|
||
Paul
|
||
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#: 6645 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
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10-Sep-90 05:32:31
|
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Sb: #6620-#pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327
|
||
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
|
||
|
||
Paul, at the SD'90 conference, there was a discussion forum called, informally,
|
||
the "GUI wars." I took the non-GUI side. I won't say whether we won or lost
|
||
(there was some pretty hefty talent arrayed on our side), but it sure became
|
||
clear that GUI is not the answer for all problems. When doing something with a
|
||
GUI interface takes more keystrokes, more time, or more skill than with a
|
||
keyboard, that's where I draw the line. I have no problem with GUI's in the
|
||
abstract, and I use a Mac quite a bit for document preparation, and especially
|
||
slide presentations. Where I start to have a problem is when to have that
|
||
feature takes up 256K of ROM and about 50% or more of the CPU resources.
|
||
Sometimes, try doing
|
||
cp foo*.bak b:
|
||
|
||
on a Mac.
|
||
|
||
Better yet, try addlib foo, which is a BAT file I used to use to:
|
||
|
||
(1) Assemble a subroutine
|
||
(2) Add the object file to an object library
|
||
(3) Add the source file to a source library
|
||
(4) Delete the object and source
|
||
|
||
Jack
|
||
|
||
|
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|
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#: 6586 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
08-Sep-90 03:41:24
|
||
Sb: #6569-#pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
Hi Kevin!
|
||
|
||
Re out telecon several weeks ago, does your windowing system also work on tty
|
||
ports (via rs-232)?
|
||
|
||
Ed
|
||
|
||
#: 6568 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
07-Sep-90 04:30:44
|
||
Sb: #6562-##pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327
|
||
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
|
||
|
||
So have you bought a -K4, Scott? If so, welcome to the club!
|
||
|
||
Jack
|
||
|
||
|
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|
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There is 1 Reply.
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|
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#: 6571 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
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07-Sep-90 14:52:03
|
||
Sb: #6568-##pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
|
||
To: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327 (X)
|
||
|
||
Yes I have bought a K4, I think I was one of the first purchasers.
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
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|
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#: 6575 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
07-Sep-90 18:58:32
|
||
Sb: #6571-##pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327
|
||
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
|
||
|
||
That's good news, Scott. I'm always happy to see new PT users, mainly because
|
||
I don't want to be the only one out there with one! (and, also, we need a
|
||
certain critical mass to get P.D. software circulating).
|
||
|
||
Jack
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
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|
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#: 6583 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
07-Sep-90 23:21:06
|
||
Sb: #6575-##pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
|
||
To: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327 (X)
|
||
|
||
Hey Jack, what do you use your k4 for mostly, business, hobby, etc?
|
||
|
||
There are 3 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6587 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
08-Sep-90 03:46:13
|
||
Sb: #6583-##pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
|
||
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
|
||
|
||
Hi Jack & Scott!
|
||
|
||
Been following your thread - most interesting.
|
||
|
||
I have 2 k4 machines - they are used for business. One machine is for our POS
|
||
retail system. The second is for applications programming and a back-up for
|
||
the store system (Haven't had to use it as a back-up yet).
|
||
|
||
My first machine was a k2 purchased about three year ago. The second was
|
||
purchased about six months later. BTW, I was customer #2 for the first k4
|
||
boards - Don't know who customer #1 was - I think he was an industrial user.
|
||
|
||
A VGA board is on its way to me - should have it Monday. Going to be
|
||
interesting. Now all we need is a wysiwyg word processor.
|
||
|
||
Ed /ex
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
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|
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#: 6595 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
08-Sep-90 09:55:28
|
||
Sb: #6587-##pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327
|
||
To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)
|
||
|
||
Sounds interesting, Ed. It's good to hear that people are starting to use them
|
||
for commercial purposes.
|
||
|
||
For the record, Ron Anderson has been using a K2 (with SK*DOS) for some time to
|
||
develop software for a wheel-balancing machine. As near as I can make it out,
|
||
the K2 is actually embedded in the machine. John Spray, the developer of
|
||
Whimsical, just recently moved from New Zealand to the US, to work with Ron.
|
||
|
||
Jack
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6622 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
09-Sep-90 12:26:18
|
||
Sb: #6595-##pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
|
||
To: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327 (X)
|
||
|
||
Jack,
|
||
|
||
Well, Ed has been using th PT for YEARS for business!
|
||
|
||
Not a bad product, and given Ed's tenacity, he apparently has gotten them to
|
||
work very nicely for several projects!
|
||
|
||
Glad to have you guys around -- are you all into OSK?
|
||
|
||
Paul
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
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||
|
||
#: 6647 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
10-Sep-90 05:32:45
|
||
Sb: #6622-#pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327
|
||
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
|
||
|
||
Paul, I've been using SK*DOS with the PT up till now. The idea of paying as
|
||
little as $200 for the computer, and then $600 for the OS, never made much
|
||
sense to me. To tell the truth, when I upgraded to the Pt68-K4, Fred Brown
|
||
sent me OSK by mistake, thinking I already had it. So since I have the disks,
|
||
and the price _IS_ quite a bit lower, and it _DOES_ seem to be integrated much
|
||
better with the PT68 than it used to be, I called Fred and asked him to make me
|
||
legal and send the manuals. I probably never would have gotten it otherwise.
|
||
|
||
Jack
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
#: 6593 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
08-Sep-90 09:55:16
|
||
Sb: #6583-#pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327
|
||
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
|
||
|
||
Scott, mostly I use the PT-68 as therapy. When I had a CP/M Kaypro, I used it
|
||
for everything: Word processing (I write articles once in awhile), learning
|
||
new languages and software techniques (I like to try algorithms and things like
|
||
that, mostly in Turbo Pascal), and systems software.
|
||
|
||
When I "upgraded" to a PC, I got tools to do the first two, and use the PC for
|
||
that. But MSDOS is so horrible, I refuse to try to write systems software for
|
||
it.
|
||
|
||
So the Pt68 is my "hobby" computer. It's simple enough so that I can tinker
|
||
with it, play with interfaces to the hardware, and write my own systems
|
||
software.
|
||
|
||
I've been using SK*DOS, which is small and simple as CP/M was. It's a nice
|
||
system to develop software with, although (Peter Stark's not gonna like me for
|
||
this) it's sometimes frustrating because of the slow disk I/O. SK*DOS is a
|
||
clone of Flex, and uses the same chained file structure.
|
||
|
||
Working with SK*DOS has been an adventure because there are virtually _NO_
|
||
software development tools. For some time, we didn't even have a screen
|
||
editor, and the assembler is non-relocating. But gradually we've gotten better
|
||
tools. I wrote a hex debugger and linker (both have new versions in the
|
||
works), and John Spray of New Zealand has a wonderful little compiler called
|
||
Whimsical (not commercially available, so far). There's also an integer C
|
||
compiler, plus Small C. I got interested in writing translators, and am
|
||
working on yet another compiler (my own language, called KISS), as well as a
|
||
couple of preprocessors for the assembler.
|
||
|
||
<more...>
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
#: 6594 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
08-Sep-90 09:55:22
|
||
Sb: #6583-#pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327
|
||
To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X)
|
||
|
||
Right now, I can't say which way we'll be going with the PT-68. Several of the
|
||
users are into Minix, and I have that running. I also now have OS-9, but no
|
||
manuals as yet. Either of those platforms make a lot more sense for software
|
||
development, than a system where you have to build your own tools.
|
||
|
||
Still, I'll probably continue to play with OS stuff. I have several alternate
|
||
OS's available, plus I'd like to try my hand at writing a CP/M-like OS.
|
||
|
||
I know, I know, CP/M is obsolete. But it always met my needs pretty well
|
||
(after I replaced essentially every utility in it!), and it _IS_ fast and
|
||
small. For me, even Minix or OS-9 are a little too big & complex for my
|
||
tastes.
|
||
|
||
Jack
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
#: 6621 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
09-Sep-90 12:22:19
|
||
Sb: #6575-##pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
|
||
To: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327 (X)
|
||
|
||
Jack,
|
||
|
||
I don't think you'l have to wait long for PD OSK software. IMS is encouraging
|
||
our developers to release a lot of their little stuff as PD. So the MM/1
|
||
isgoing to give a nice boost to you PT 68K owners! (I have one, too, BTW. It's
|
||
got Simmy Turner's terminal driver on it and it screams when it scrolls!)
|
||
|
||
But, to be honest, the MM/1 is getting the lion's share of computer time around
|
||
IMS and the developers. If you read the Business Week mag that's on the stands,
|
||
you'll see why.
|
||
|
||
Still, a PT with VGA and Kev's windowing would be nice.
|
||
|
||
Paul
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6646 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
10-Sep-90 05:32:38
|
||
Sb: #6621-#pt68k & herc graphics
|
||
Fm: Jack Crenshaw 72325,1327
|
||
To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
|
||
|
||
Sorry, Paul, I don't grep IMS or MM/1? What are they? And who are you?
|
||
|
||
Jack
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
#: 6533 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
05-Sep-90 22:04:00
|
||
Sb: #OS-9 ON THE STRIDE 440
|
||
Fm: JAMES DENNEY 71101,511
|
||
To: HELO FROM ANYONE
|
||
|
||
I AM THE LONILY OWNER OF A STRIDE 440, THAT CURRENTLY RUNS P-SYSTEM (IF
|
||
YOU CAN FIND ANY SOFTWARE!!!). AS THIS IS A 68000/6820 MACHINE, I WONDERED
|
||
(HOPE) THAT OS-9 MIGHT RUN ON IT. ANY INFO WILL BE APPRECIATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|
||
THANK YOU
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6548 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
06-Sep-90 10:15:16
|
||
Sb: #6533-#OS-9 ON THE STRIDE 440
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: JAMES DENNEY 71101,511 (X)
|
||
|
||
About once every coupla months, someone asks about OS9 on the Stride/Sage
|
||
machines... but I don't think anyone knows of a port to it right now.
|
||
|
||
Seems like one should be done tho, as there are a lot of those machines around
|
||
in schools and surplus. If you had the $$ (about 1500 of them, I think), you
|
||
could buy a PortPak and install OS9. best - kev
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6553 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
06-Sep-90 18:06:08
|
||
Sb: #6548-OS-9 ON THE STRIDE 440
|
||
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
The only person I can think of who might know would be Robert Heller. I think
|
||
he has or had a Stride at one time, and may know about such a port.
|
||
|
||
#: 6534 S4/MIDI and Music
|
||
05-Sep-90 22:35:01
|
||
Sb: #6032-Ultimusic Bit banger
|
||
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
|
||
To: Denise Tomlinson 71021,3274
|
||
|
||
Well, it does take Umuse3 more compute time to send the bytes thru the
|
||
bitbanger than thru a MIDI Pak, tho I don't think it's that much difference (I
|
||
could be wrong here, tho have tried to measure the rates on an oscilloscope).
|
||
|
||
Also my play routine compensates its Sleep timings for the number of bytes
|
||
sent. BUt it sounds like the correction isn't enough (or maybe too much. so
|
||
the rhythm sometimes "rushes" the beat?). --mike k
|
||
|
||
#: 6535 S15/Hot Topics
|
||
05-Sep-90 22:38:38
|
||
Sb: #6035-#Is Basic out of date?
|
||
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
OK Kev. Glad to hear you'd already condisered hacking the B09 editor. It's too
|
||
bad that B09 wasn't built "modular" like OS9 itself, so the editor, math
|
||
package, etc. could be worked on separately.
|
||
|
||
Ya know, as much as B09 (or MWBasic) is still used in OSK, you'd think
|
||
Microware would get its own people to update that ancient and frustrating
|
||
editor. And then windowize the whole thing, like Atari ST basic. --mike k
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6543 S15/Hot Topics
|
||
05-Sep-90 23:12:09
|
||
Sb: #6535-Is Basic out of date?
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
|
||
|
||
exactly (basic09/mwbasic needs a better interface, editor). Although I
|
||
disagree on you with having it modular (separate modules) would be better. I
|
||
run into *lots* of trouble with packed basic09 programs (in which every
|
||
separate little procedure is a different module). Although it is usually a
|
||
problem because of the 64K/8K at a time barrier. I would much prefer
|
||
modularity at the source level but have it combine into one package in the end,
|
||
like C.
|
||
|
||
#: 6538 S15/Hot Topics
|
||
05-Sep-90 22:49:27
|
||
Sb: #6229-Is Basic out of date?
|
||
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
|
||
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X)
|
||
|
||
Godd -- Dynsatar is the only editor I use these days. I can see where B09's
|
||
would be faster for a LOT of global changes where you were SURE that you wanted
|
||
every one changed. B09 editor's one saving grace is the instant syntax error
|
||
detection-other than that, it would be better if B09 forked off your favorite
|
||
editor and autmoatically sic'ed it on the program in question.
|
||
|
||
#: 6539 S15/Hot Topics
|
||
05-Sep-90 22:51:04
|
||
Sb: #6230-#Is Basic out of date?
|
||
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
|
||
To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X)
|
||
|
||
About maintainability -- now I agree. Someobyd called RSBAASIC a great
|
||
"write-only language." I've heard C calaled that too, grin.
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6613 S15/Hot Topics
|
||
09-Sep-90 04:54:21
|
||
Sb: #6539-Is Basic out of date?
|
||
Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267
|
||
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
|
||
|
||
<grin>
|
||
|
||
#: 6536 S4/MIDI and Music
|
||
05-Sep-90 22:44:14
|
||
Sb: #6159-midi help
|
||
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
|
||
To: Lester Hands 70135,430
|
||
|
||
Hi Les. I guess by now EGA is getting pretty widespread, tho CGA is close to
|
||
the Coco 3 in 16-color mode. I'm also curious to see how I'll like the MM/1,
|
||
grin -- an-tiss-a-pay-shun.... Nice to hear Rich Parry is still kicking, tho I
|
||
guess anyone dealing in games should expect to sell one copy for every 10 in
|
||
use. I hear the PC world is pretty fast & loose too -- how does it look so far
|
||
re PC-Lyra?
|
||
|
||
Everyone says that Coco-OS9ers are pretty good about piracy -don't know for
|
||
sure either way, tho. --mike k
|
||
|
||
PS: What model PC, and what C compiler do you use? So many damned choices in
|
||
that world....?
|
||
|
||
#: 6537 S4/MIDI and Music
|
||
05-Sep-90 22:46:01
|
||
Sb: #6160-midi help
|
||
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
|
||
To: Lester Hands 70135,430
|
||
|
||
Yeah, I've heard good things about the Proteus, tho not about its "operating
|
||
system" being easier. Yes, they realaly call it that now in Keyboard Mag!
|
||
--mike k
|
||
|
||
#: 6544 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
06-Sep-90 00:02:29
|
||
Sb: #Level I Drivers
|
||
Fm: Don Kircher 76346,3475
|
||
To: All
|
||
|
||
Ok I've finally relented and sprung for a Coco3 I was very content with level
|
||
one but the disturbing lack of support for Coco I & II did it. The lack of
|
||
available Wordpaks to be exact.
|
||
So, now Im faced with a whole new system and a forest of new
|
||
incompatabilities. The most distressing so far is the inability of OS9 Level II
|
||
to "see" the driver for my five meg hard drive.
|
||
Its an old J&M arrangement with the neat side port that comes off the
|
||
controller allowing one to boot os9 level one off the hard drive. I'm safely
|
||
booted into OS9 Level II but the boot I configured with J&M's /h0 will not iniz
|
||
and returns an error 246.
|
||
This really is a disaster I was counting on this working. It leaves me with
|
||
these two old grey upright disk drives to run Level two. Such a distasteful
|
||
thought that Coco3 is banished to a heap in the corner until some other
|
||
arrangement can be made.
|
||
Oh yeah, the system works fine under level I on my Coco I and on Coco II (I've
|
||
managed to collect six cocos so far) The controller works fine in Coco3.
|
||
Thanks
|
||
Don K.
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6547 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
06-Sep-90 07:22:27
|
||
Sb: #6544-Level I Drivers
|
||
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
|
||
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475 (X)
|
||
|
||
Don,
|
||
|
||
Knowing absolutely nothing about what I'm about to say ... and even less about
|
||
a J&M compatability issue ... let me mention that many level one descriptors
|
||
needed a byte in thier header to be changed from $00 to $FF.
|
||
|
||
I believe Pete mentioned this 'mode byte' in a message a while back about
|
||
someone having difficulties getting a midi descriptor to work.
|
||
|
||
|
||
In any event, perhpas this note will spark some discussion that can be helpful.
|
||
|
||
Steve
|
||
|
||
#: 6549 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
06-Sep-90 14:27:54
|
||
Sb: #6544-Level I Drivers
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: Don Kircher 76346,3475 (X)
|
||
|
||
Don -
|
||
|
||
Besides having to change the /h0 address for L-II (change the byte at offset
|
||
$0E in the descriptor from $FF to $07), the error 246 you get is "drive not
|
||
ready".
|
||
|
||
CC3Go (like Sysgo) tries to chd/chx to /h0. Is the drive already running and
|
||
up to speed when you boot?
|
||
|
||
Also, the CC3 runs at double speed. I think the J&M HD interface can handle
|
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that, tho.
|
||
|
||
Seems like there was something else, also. Let me dig around.
|
||
|
||
Kev
|
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|
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#: 6550 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
06-Sep-90 15:00:09
|
||
Sb: #GIME
|
||
Fm: Bobby Dotson 70054,2324
|
||
To: [F] All
|
||
|
||
Question? What is the difference between the older GIME and the newer one?
|
||
Are graphics better? Faster I/O? What?
|
||
|
||
|
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|
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There are 2 Replies.
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#: 6551 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
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06-Sep-90 16:13:07
|
||
Sb: #6550-GIME
|
||
Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
|
||
To: Bobby Dotson 70054,2324 (X)
|
||
|
||
Bobby,
|
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If we're talking the GIME on the CoCo3 in both cases, the chip with the "A"
|
||
attatched to it, the newer one, fixed some bugs that were in it.
|
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Dan
|
||
|
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#: 6555 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
06-Sep-90 19:00:03
|
||
Sb: #6550-GIME
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: Bobby Dotson 70054,2324 (X)
|
||
|
||
Bobby - I think the newer GIME fixed a sideways scrolling bug (never used
|
||
under OS9 anyway), and perhaps changed the timing a little to be more solid. If
|
||
your old one works fine, then there's no need to change. best - kev
|
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|
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#: 6554 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
06-Sep-90 18:17:29
|
||
Sb: #Looking for GFX3 ?
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: sysop (X)
|
||
|
||
I am looking for the files alib.l and gfx3.ar, both were in lib 10 some while
|
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ago. Have you seen them? Thanks . . .
|
||
|
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There is 1 Reply.
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|
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#: 6556 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
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06-Sep-90 19:03:19
|
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Sb: #6554-#Looking for GFX3 ?
|
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
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To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
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Joe - I don't recall a file called gfx3.ar, you might mean gfx2.ar?
|
||
|
||
ALIB.AR is in Library 3... if that's the one you want. Two versions, one is
|
||
later.
|
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|
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kev
|
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|
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There is 1 Reply.
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|
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#: 6577 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
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07-Sep-90 21:07:37
|
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Sb: #6556-#Looking for GFX3 ?
|
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Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
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I know I meant GFX*3* . . . but as to the filename, it's anyone's guess. If
|
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the gfx3 and docs were inside some other package, I'm in real trouble . . .
|
||
hehe. I downloaded the gfx3 package a while back from here, but I can't
|
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remember the filename. hmm .. .
|
||
|
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There is 1 Reply.
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|
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#: 6588 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
08-Sep-90 07:40:45
|
||
Sb: #6577-#Looking for GFX3 ?
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
Hmm. Now that you insist, I think I've seen a file called GFX3?? somewhere
|
||
before. Not positive it was here tho. I'll change the title of these msgs and
|
||
maybe that will catch someone's attention who knows.
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6603 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
08-Sep-90 15:57:45
|
||
Sb: #6588-Looking for GFX3 ?
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
Thanks, Kevin. I used GFX3 in one of my programs here (edptrs) and told anyone
|
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who wanted the gfx3 to get it here (but it's gone!). Thanks again.
|
||
|
||
#: 6604 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
08-Sep-90 16:10:55
|
||
Sb: #6588-#Looking for GFX3 ?
|
||
Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
I have the gfx3 archive. I think I downloaded it from GENie, however. If it
|
||
can't be found, I'll upload it.
|
||
|
||
Floyd
|
||
|
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There is 1 Reply.
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|
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#: 6609 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
08-Sep-90 19:21:03
|
||
Sb: #6604-Looking for GFX3 ?
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X)
|
||
|
||
Thx Floyd!
|
||
|
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#: 6563 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
07-Sep-90 00:51:34
|
||
Sb: #OS-9 AND THE STRIDE 440
|
||
Fm: JAMES DENNEY 71101,511
|
||
To: 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
SB: #6533-#OS-9 ON THE STRIDE 440
|
||
FM: JAMES DENNEY 71101,511
|
||
TO: KEVEN DARLING (UG PRES) 76703,4227
|
||
|
||
THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPLY. I AM A LOWLY ABANDONED END USER, AND WHEREAS
|
||
THE $1500 WOULD BE WORKABLE IF THE AVAILABILITY OF SOFTWARE JUSTIFIED
|
||
THE INVESTMENT, ALAS I FEAR ANY PORTING WOULD BE BEYOND MY SKILLS.
|
||
WOULD OS-9 ENABLE ME TO USE ANY XENIX/UNIX PROGRAMS AND WHAT IS YOUR
|
||
ASSESMENT OF THE SOFTWARE AVAILABLE UNDER OS-9??
|
||
|
||
THANK YOU AGAIN. JIM
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6624 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
|
||
09-Sep-90 12:31:31
|
||
Sb: #6563-OS-9 AND THE STRIDE 440
|
||
Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
|
||
To: JAMES DENNEY 71101,511 (X)
|
||
|
||
James,
|
||
|
||
What kind of software do you need? I'll bet we can find it for you under OSK.
|
||
And if not, chances are good that IMS or its developers (IDEA) are getting to
|
||
it. Just let us know!
|
||
|
||
Paul
|
||
|
||
#: 6565 S7/Telecommunications
|
||
07-Sep-90 03:28:26
|
||
Sb: NEW CoCo 3 BBS!!
|
||
Fm: edward langenback 73510,145
|
||
To: all
|
||
|
||
there's a new CoCo 3 BBS now up and running!
|
||
|
||
Springwood BBS, running ACBBS modified for 3 message bases (for now)
|
||
|
||
FULL access on your FIRST call!
|
||
|
||
(614)-228-7371 basically 24 hours / 7 days except when
|
||
i need the line to call other boards
|
||
please set to 8-N-1 >only< as this software is not as forgiving
|
||
as i'd like it to be.
|
||
|
||
"KMA-68!!"
|
||
>>>>>S S<<<<<
|
||
!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|
||
s
|
||
|
||
#: 6572 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
07-Sep-90 17:01:53
|
||
Sb: #SPOKER Query
|
||
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
Joe, what is Koonce's View (4.0) utility (necessary for SPOKER)? Ches.
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6578 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
07-Sep-90 21:14:11
|
||
Sb: #6572-#SPOKER Query
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X)
|
||
|
||
Tim Koonce's View 4.0 is a VERY versatile utility that will allow you to view
|
||
many of the common CoCo picture formats, and also convert them to VEF and MGE.
|
||
I highly recommend it to anyone that does picture collecting. It is availalbe
|
||
(ack!) as view40.ar in lib 10 here.
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6589 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
08-Sep-90 07:55:56
|
||
Sb: #6578-SPOKER Query
|
||
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
|
||
To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
|
||
|
||
Thanks for info, when I BROwsed for view, I neglected to put the * after VIEW.
|
||
Ches.
|
||
|
||
#: 6581 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
07-Sep-90 22:19:16
|
||
Sb: #6572-#SPOKER Query
|
||
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
|
||
To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X)
|
||
|
||
Because the author of SPOKER was too lazy to write his own VEF picture load
|
||
subroutine! <big grin>
|
||
|
||
Zack
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6582 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
07-Sep-90 22:43:54
|
||
Sb: #6581-SPOKER Query
|
||
Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
|
||
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
|
||
|
||
Yew got it! I was getting tired of working on the thing and decided 'why
|
||
recode anything'? Plus using View allowed the program to be released faster,
|
||
and probably shortened the file sizes greatly as I doubt I would have gone to
|
||
the trouble of supporting VEF squashed format. And also allowed picture
|
||
loading time to be faster.
|
||
|
||
#: 6590 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
08-Sep-90 07:56:46
|
||
Sb: #6581-SPOKER Query
|
||
Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336
|
||
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
|
||
|
||
Now, now, Zack, be nice!! (bigger grin)! Ches.
|
||
|
||
#: 6573 S7/Telecommunications
|
||
07-Sep-90 17:08:47
|
||
Sb: #Upload Problems
|
||
Fm: Rodney Harper 75130,1321
|
||
To: All
|
||
|
||
I am a Librarian on the Aquarium Fish Forums (GO AQUAFORUM & GO AQUADATA). I am
|
||
having a problem uploading ASCii files to my Library's.
|
||
|
||
The problem is that when people using TAPCIS try to read these uploaded files
|
||
all they see is the line reading over itself. Undoubtly TAP does not make a
|
||
linefeed at the Carriage Returns.
|
||
|
||
All of the other staff members using various Term programs from Mac
|
||
(NAVIGATOR), Commodore Term (And several other COMMODORE Terminals), Along with
|
||
me (OSTERM, and UltimTerm (RS-DOS)), have had no problem reading these files. I
|
||
did have the problem with Telstar (OS9).
|
||
|
||
I am using SSTAR to make the files. According to one of the SYSOPS, I do not
|
||
have a Line Feed and Carriage return at the end of each line, just a <CR>,
|
||
therefor, TAPCIS will not administer a LF, and the lines will run all over each
|
||
other.
|
||
|
||
Let me know if you can help, I am desparate to find out what is wrong.
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
Rodney Harper
|
||
DataBase Manager
|
||
Aquatic Data Center
|
||
GO AQUADATA
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
ps....Does OSTerm 2.08 strip the Line Feeds ??
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6580 S7/Telecommunications
|
||
07-Sep-90 21:23:37
|
||
Sb: #6573-#Upload Problems
|
||
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
|
||
To: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 (X)
|
||
|
||
Rodney,
|
||
|
||
You've got the problem figured out. OSTERM monkeies with the LF's.
|
||
|
||
Not being a fan of that program I don't know ... but is there an option of
|
||
adding linefeeds when you upload? (Some terminal programs do allow for this).
|
||
|
||
I'll have to fire up my copy and take a look.
|
||
|
||
Steve
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6601 S7/Telecommunications
|
||
08-Sep-90 13:39:45
|
||
Sb: #6580-#Upload Problems
|
||
Fm: Rodney Harper 75130,1321
|
||
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
|
||
|
||
Have you had a chance to look at your copy of OSTerm ?
|
||
|
||
I tried turning off the LF Filter, but no JOY, still the same.
|
||
|
||
I also tried uploading with TELSTAR, and WIZ, No Joy.
|
||
|
||
I downloaded the STERM.AR that you are using, and am having a hell of time
|
||
getting it going.
|
||
|
||
>>Rod<<
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6602 S7/Telecommunications
|
||
08-Sep-90 15:23:08
|
||
Sb: #6601-Upload Problems
|
||
Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013
|
||
To: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 (X)
|
||
|
||
You'll find that STERM will add linefeeds after C/R's like you want plus it
|
||
takes advantage of CIS "sliding window" B-protocol which is very fast since it
|
||
doesn't stop between blocks.
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
#: 6610 S7/Telecommunications
|
||
08-Sep-90 19:34:44
|
||
Sb: #6601-Upload Problems
|
||
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
|
||
To: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 (X)
|
||
|
||
Rod,
|
||
|
||
I've left you my phone number in Cmail ...use it if things get to far afield.
|
||
|
||
|
||
:-)
|
||
|
||
Steve
|
||
|
||
#: 6584 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
07-Sep-90 23:23:00
|
||
Sb: GIME
|
||
Fm: Bobby Dotson 70054,2324
|
||
To: Kevin Darling
|
||
|
||
Well, I've talked to a few people about graphics and what my machine is
|
||
doing. Aparrently my colors do not correspond quite to standards . . . nor does
|
||
the timimg. I have one of the first machines to be released . . . The first
|
||
problem it had was working with a J&M Controller . . . It had problems working
|
||
with the Tandy controller(minor), until the clock was adjusted, but faild to
|
||
operate correctly with the J&M.
|
||
|
||
Also, do you know anyone who has had any ideas on making a processor
|
||
accellerator for the CC3? Say an 8 to 10 mHz 6809(Yes they are avialable)
|
||
(where? forgot) . . . or a seperate hi-speed 6809 processor board with it's own
|
||
memory.... using the coco as a slave???
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
#: 6591 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
08-Sep-90 09:20:57
|
||
Sb: #Disto HardDisk
|
||
Fm: james pottage 71750,2012
|
||
To: James Pottage
|
||
|
||
I would like some help with a problem I have encountered with my new hard
|
||
drivew. I just purchased a segate 125N hard drive and I am attempting to run it
|
||
with a disto super controller II and hard disk interface (under the SCSI mode).
|
||
I am using the drivers supplied by CRC-Disto. The problem is that when I boot
|
||
up the boot process does not acknowlege the Startup file on my hard drive. If I
|
||
reboot using the reset command then the startup file is used. Iwould like to
|
||
know if there are any fixes for this problem or any suggestions on how to solve
|
||
it. As well I have already tried changing the boot order around and this makes
|
||
no difference. Further, the RBF and disk drivers are all in the same block. I
|
||
would appreciate any help anyone can give me. Jim Pottage
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6597 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
08-Sep-90 12:55:30
|
||
Sb: #6591-Disto HardDisk
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: james pottage 71750,2012 (X)
|
||
|
||
Hi Jim. When you first boot, is the hard drive already up to speed? It could
|
||
be that it's simply not ready to accept commands right away.
|
||
|
||
Hmm. But does it switch over to using the hard disk command directory right
|
||
away? If so, then my explanation doesn't wash.
|
||
|
||
How about posting your startup file... maybe there's a clue there.
|
||
|
||
best - kev
|
||
|
||
#: 6596 S5/OS9 Users Group
|
||
08-Sep-90 12:22:08
|
||
Sb: #UG ADDRESS
|
||
Fm: Greg Morse 72746,3451
|
||
To: 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
Kevin what is the current address of the OS9-UG Librarian? Then I can mail the
|
||
form and disk in. <greg morse>
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6600 S5/OS9 Users Group
|
||
08-Sep-90 13:03:13
|
||
Sb: #6596-#UG ADDRESS
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: Greg Morse 72746,3451 (X)
|
||
|
||
Greg - he's Greg Williams... just send them to the UG in Florida marked as
|
||
being for the Librarian as a submittal. They should be able to forward it from
|
||
there (I can't seem to find Greg's address offhand). thx! - kev
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6612 S5/OS9 Users Group
|
||
08-Sep-90 23:00:13
|
||
Sb: #6600-#UG ADDRESS
|
||
Fm: Greg Morse 72746,3451
|
||
To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
|
||
|
||
that doesn't help kev. last address i have for UG is des moines. 9743
|
||
university ave. where is the UG in fla?
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6617 S5/OS9 Users Group
|
||
09-Sep-90 08:39:09
|
||
Sb: #6612-UG ADDRESS
|
||
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
|
||
To: Greg Morse 72746,3451 (X)
|
||
|
||
Greg,
|
||
|
||
Tho woefully out of date, the Fowler address in Florida is in the file
|
||
OS9UG.TXT found in LIB 1.
|
||
|
||
An aside to Kevin: Get me a list of the new ....ahh ...latest officers,
|
||
directors, etc. and I'll update the file.
|
||
|
||
Steve
|
||
|
||
#: 6606 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
08-Sep-90 18:31:57
|
||
Sb: #Disto Hard disk Part II
|
||
Fm: james pottage 71750,2012
|
||
To: Kevin Darling
|
||
|
||
Z
|
||
oIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIPART
|
||
II
|
||
|
||
I have also looked at the startup file. However, the startup file worked fine
|
||
with a WD1002-shd controller and 10meg hard drive. However, below is a copy of
|
||
the file in case you have any suggestions. Note that Rutils is a file that
|
||
contains extra commands that I have not included in the Shell file like copy,
|
||
date etc. Further, while booting the harddrive is accessed (ie the light turns
|
||
on for a breif moment) but the startup file is not used. It seems like the
|
||
drive has not been initialized and the boot procedure cannot find the startup
|
||
file. As well, occasionally the hard drive will be accessed for no apparent
|
||
reason while the system is running. Here is the startup file.
|
||
|
||
load rutils display 1b 34 04 * Echo welcome message echo * Welcome to OS-9
|
||
LEVEL 2 * echo * on the Color Computer 3 * * Lock shell and std utils into
|
||
memory link shell montype r * Start system time from keyboard setime </1 date t
|
||
iniz w1 iniz w2 display 1b 20 2 0 0 50 18 2 7 1 >/w1 display 1b 20 2 0 0 50 18
|
||
0 2 2 >/w2 shell p=[@])[$]: i=/w1& shell p=[@])[$]: i=/w2& merge sys/stdfonts
|
||
merge sys/stdptrs merge sys/stdpats_2 merge sys/stdpats_4 merge sys/stdpats_16
|
||
xmode /p baud=06
|
||
|
||
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
|
||
|
||
Jim Pottage
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6608 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
08-Sep-90 19:20:25
|
||
Sb: #6606-Disto Hard disk Part II
|
||
Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
|
||
To: james pottage 71750,2012 (X)
|
||
|
||
Oops. Never mind. I'll look at your startup file now. thx! - kev
|
||
|
||
PS: seem to be getting some garbage in your messages. Do a read previous after
|
||
reading this one, and see what I mean.
|
||
|
||
#: 6607 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
08-Sep-90 19:19:20
|
||
Sb: Disto Hard disk
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: james pottage 71750,2012 (X)
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Thx - no, I'm not worried too much about the boot order. You said that things
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switch over to the hard disk okay, but the problem seems to be only that the
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Startup file isn't executed the first time on boot? But only on reboot?
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That's awfully strange. Let me see your startup file. I have some ideas on
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things which might cause this.
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Oh. And when you boot first time, does it just ignore startup and still come
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out at the shell prompt?
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#: 6611 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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08-Sep-90 21:54:11
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Sb: #Osk 2.2 C bugs
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Fm: Robert A. Larson 75126,723
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To: all
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In porting C news to os9/68k, I've noticed a couple of bugs in the C compiler
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that comes with osk 2.2:
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"string"[0] != 's'
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sizeof "string" != 6
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The first one generates code that does a string derefernce, but does store the
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string to derefernce. (Two NULs are generated for the string to derefernce.)
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This bug was fairly easy to work around, I just changed a macro to generate
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slower smaller code.
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sizeof a string constant returns 4, rather than the number of chacters in that
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constant. This bug was much harder to work around, since strlen does not
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result in a constant. Working around this created much bigger, much uglier,
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and much slower code.
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Could someone see if these bugs are fixed in osk 2.3? (Microware hasn't
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answered their mail.) Are the nasty problems in make fixed?
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(If anyone is interested in getting usenet on an osk machine, I'll probably be
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ready for C news/Rn beta testers in a few weeks.)
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 6615 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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09-Sep-90 05:56:06
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Sb: #6611-Osk 2.2 C bugs
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Fm: James Jones 76257,562
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To: Robert A. Larson 75126,723
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The sizeof(<string constant>) bug has indeed been corrected.
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#: 6614 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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09-Sep-90 05:26:51
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Sb: #TERMCAP
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Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
|
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To: ALL
|
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|
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Does anyone know the termcap entries (codes) for color screens and, is there
|
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such a thing as termcap entries for graphics. Also, is there any reference
|
||
book available describing termcap entries. The only thing I've found regarding
|
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termcap is in the OSK C Compiler manual from MW.
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|
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Ed
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|
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There is 1 Reply.
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|
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#: 6616 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
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09-Sep-90 05:59:26
|
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Sb: #6614-TERMCAP
|
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Fm: James Jones 76257,562
|
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To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X)
|
||
|
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Termcap is very much a least-common-denominator thing when it comes to terminal
|
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features (but very much a kitchen-sink thing when it comes to bizarrre terminal
|
||
misfeatures, e.g. the Hazeltine's inability to display tildes). Definitely no
|
||
graphics.
|
||
|
||
The only references I've seen on termcap are manual pages that all look pretty
|
||
much alike, and pretty much like what you found in the compiler manual. Sad,
|
||
but true.
|
||
|
||
#: 6625 S7/Telecommunications
|
||
09-Sep-90 13:53:36
|
||
Sb: #OS9 Terminals
|
||
Fm: Rodney Harper 75130,1321
|
||
To: All
|
||
|
||
Does anyone know of any other OS9 terminal progams for the COCO, that does not
|
||
strip linefeeds upon uploading ? This is besides STERM here in the Library ?
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
>>Rod<<
|
||
|
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There is 1 Reply.
|
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|
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#: 6630 S7/Telecommunications
|
||
09-Sep-90 15:41:28
|
||
Sb: #6625-OS9 Terminals
|
||
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
|
||
To: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 (X)
|
||
|
||
Hmmm ....
|
||
|
||
|
||
Sterm not doing the job for you, Rod?
|
||
|
||
Steve
|
||
|
||
#: 6628 S9/Utilities
|
||
09-Sep-90 14:57:39
|
||
Sb: #GO.ASM
|
||
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
|
||
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X)
|
||
|
||
Pete,
|
||
|
||
I'm having a bit of a problem with go. In the doc file you state the way to
|
||
invoke a command macro to enter: go <command filename> <arguments>. You go on
|
||
to describe the <command filename> and the <paremet [D, whoops, the
|
||
<parameters> which I assume are the <arguments> previously mentioned. You state
|
||
that the arguments must be pathnames. This is confirmed upon inspection of the
|
||
source reveals you parse the command line with a F$PNAM system call. This
|
||
forces the arguments to comply with OS9 pathname convention.
|
||
|
||
My situation is that I want to call up a procedure file from cron using a go
|
||
script nut use <numbers> as the arguments. It is a procedure file will calls my
|
||
pager. My pager requires a numerical code to display.
|
||
|
||
You now say, well you have the source, fix it yourself! Well, I've tried that,
|
||
too. But simply trying to compile it with LI ASM, I get an error, "Can't open
|
||
/d0/defs/os9defs". The program source refers to /dd/defs/os9defs. ASM itself
|
||
does not contain the character string /d0. Any idea why ASM is requiring this
|
||
defs file to be in /d0/defs when both the source and ASM do not refer to /d0?
|
||
|
||
Thanks,
|
||
|
||
Zack
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6632 S9/Utilities
|
||
09-Sep-90 17:02:10
|
||
Sb: #6628-#GO.ASM
|
||
Fm: James Jones 76257,562
|
||
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
|
||
|
||
Hmmm. What does the file /dd/defs/os9defs contain?
|
||
|
||
There are 2 Replies.
|
||
|
||
#: 6637 S9/Utilities
|
||
09-Sep-90 19:58:31
|
||
Sb: #6632-GO.ASM
|
||
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
|
||
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
|
||
|
||
It is the defs file which came off of a LI disk.
|
||
|
||
It does not reference /d0, either.
|
||
|
||
Zack
|
||
|
||
#: 6640 S9/Utilities
|
||
09-Sep-90 22:20:36
|
||
Sb: #6632-GO.ASM
|
||
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
|
||
To: James Jones 76257,562 (X)
|
||
|
||
The problem was /dd/defs/Defsfile which contained references to four /dd/defs ,
|
||
whoops, /d0/defs files.
|
||
|
||
Thanks for the idea,
|
||
|
||
Zack
|
||
|
||
#: 6650 S9/Utilities
|
||
10-Sep-90 11:56:25
|
||
Sb: #6628-#GO.ASM
|
||
Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
|
||
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
|
||
|
||
Zack -
|
||
|
||
Are there any other USE directives? Also, does the defs file itself have a
|
||
reference to a /d0 pathname?
|
||
|
||
Pete
|
||
|
||
P.S. GO isn't mine... I did a bit of fixing, but it originated in the UGLIB.
|
||
Quite a goldmine in there really. Had I written it, I would have allowed non
|
||
pathname arguments, etc. May rewrite it in C when the MM/1 arrives.
|
||
|
||
There is 1 Reply.
|
||
|
||
#: 6653 S9/Utilities
|
||
10-Sep-90 17:17:40
|
||
Sb: #6650-GO.ASM
|
||
Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
|
||
To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230
|
||
|
||
Found the defs problem, see an earlier message in the thread to JJ.
|
||
|
||
Decided not to fix the asm program but to do a C re-write myself. It is 80%
|
||
done.
|
||
|
||
Zack
|
||
|
||
#: 6633 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
09-Sep-90 18:16:51
|
||
Sb: Termcap
|
||
Fm: Bobby Dotson 70054,2324
|
||
To: Ed Gresick
|
||
|
||
TERMCAP Book . . .
|
||
|
||
A Nutshell Handbook by John Strang
|
||
|
||
O'Reilly & Associates, Inc. 981 Chesnut Street Newton, Mass. 02164
|
||
|
||
1800-338-NUTS
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
#: 6652 S7/Telecommunications
|
||
10-Sep-90 15:03:08
|
||
Sb: Telecom/nullmodem
|
||
Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403
|
||
To: All
|
||
|
||
Has anyone had any experience trying to transfer files via null modem to
|
||
another computer using Deskmates telecom program? For some reason, an xmodem
|
||
transfer does not seem to ge initiated altho when in terminal mode, one
|
||
computer's keyboard text appears on the other's monitor. Is there a special
|
||
sequence of commands or other signal needed to start xmodem? I assume all
|
||
parameters are set correctly or else keyboard transfer wouldn't occur, n'est-ce
|
||
pas? -ph-
|
||
|
||
#: 6654 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
||
10-Sep-90 19:09:07
|
||
Sb: RSDOSplus
|
||
Fm: Craig Aarseth 72007,1737
|
||
To: Roger Smith 72057,2364
|
||
|
||
Roger: SDisk is a commercial product of D. P. Johnson. SDisk replaces CC3Disk
|
||
as the floppy device driver. Ads for SDisk can be found in RainBow Magazine.
|
||
I use my own device driver which is funtionly identical to SDisk but much more
|
||
compact. I hope this was helpful.
|
||
--Craig Aarseth 72007,1737
|
||
|
||
#: 6655 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
|
||
11-Sep-90 05:49:05
|
||
Sb: mm/1 information
|
||
Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641
|
||
To: 73477,2004
|
||
|
||
Hey Paul,
|
||
Can you send me sone info/price list for the MM/1. My address is:
|
||
Scott Howell
|
||
4100-D Woodchase Lane
|
||
Marietta, Ga 30067
|
||
Thanks
|
||
Scott Howell
|
||
|
||
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