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#: 3423 S10/Tandy CoCo
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11-May-90 22:33:04
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Sb: #3403-#CoCo List
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Randy Wilson 71561,756 (X)
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Randy, I see you've spotted the typo with puuc vs pucc. That should fix you
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right up.
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Steve
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#: 3436 S10/Tandy CoCo
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12-May-90 20:11:02
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Sb: #3423-#CoCo List
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Fm: Randy Wilson 71561,756
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Steve,
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Yah, it's dibbling in, now. Looks like it took about twelve hours to get
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setup once I got the right address.
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Any comment on leaving my mailbox unattended with the list enabled?
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Randy
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#: 3438 S10/Tandy CoCo
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12-May-90 20:18:43
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Sb: #3436-#CoCo List
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: Randy Wilson 71561,756 (X)
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Randy - if I'm going to be gone for more than a couple of days, I always resign
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from the list, and sign back up when i return. But I'd ask the list about it,
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as they may have implemented some form of protection lately. Maybe not.
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Sometimes there are 20 msgs a day, and since your mailbox can only hold 50, two
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days or so unattended will cause problems.
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I have a thought tho. Maybe someone could AR up each week's mail and post it
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here? Maybe two files, swapped every other week, or something. Hafta think
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about it.
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#: 3483 S10/Tandy CoCo
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14-May-90 08:54:30
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Sb: #3438-#CoCo List
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Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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Kevin,
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One other option is to request the latest weekly message archive file from the
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list. Mosts lists maintain files, on a weekly basis, of all messages posted to
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the list. It means you'd be a week or so behind, and requires sending a request
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for the file each week, but would cut down on the number of messages. Now that
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the CompuServe Mail file size limit is fairly large (not sure of exactly how
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big) a weeks worth of messages shouldn't go past any file size limitations.
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Bill
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#: 3486 S10/Tandy CoCo
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14-May-90 09:51:52
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Sb: #3483-CoCo List
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X)
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Bill,
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50 is the magic number of messages the Mailbox will hold before barfing. And
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that's 50 messages regardless of size (so long as yu don't exceed the size
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limits of 50K on ASCII or 512K on binaries).
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Kind of neat thinking you can have 50 512K binary files waiting for you when
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you log in! :-)
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Steve
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#: 3455 S10/Tandy CoCo
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13-May-90 12:07:47
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Sb: #3436-CoCo List
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Randy Wilson 71561,756 (X)
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> Any comment on leaving my mailbox unattended ...
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Yeah .... don't. :-)
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You'll risk the wrath of the list. The traffic has, at times, been heavy enough
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that a CIS mailbox will fill to overflowing in about 2 days. At that point,
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mail will start to bounce back to the list ... and to every other members's
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mailbox. Not something you'd want your name associated with.
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If you're gonna be unable to check in at least every other day, I'd
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unsubscribe. You can pick up what you've missed (if you like) from the
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archives.
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Steve
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#: 3424 S10/Tandy CoCo
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11-May-90 22:34:54
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Sb: #3409-#CoCo List
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
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HEY ZACK!
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Whacha shouting for? :-)
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I took a peek at the file looking for occurances of puuc and came up empty.
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There was a typo of this type when I first uploaded the file but that was fixed
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long ago (mod date on the file tells me in January).
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Can you point me to a line?
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Steve
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#: 3428 S10/Tandy CoCo
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12-May-90 09:19:51
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Sb: #3424-#CoCo List
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Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Apparently the person with the problem downloaded the file prior to it being
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fixed? I had heard of others with the same problem, so I thought the file may
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not have been fixed yet. Sorry for the shout. ;-)
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Zack
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#: 3430 S10/Tandy CoCo
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12-May-90 10:58:35
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Sb: #3428-#CoCo List
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
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Just razzin' you a bit, Zack .... most likely you're correct in that he had an
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old copy of the file.
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Steve
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#: 3458 S10/Tandy CoCo
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13-May-90 13:24:32
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Sb: #3430-CoCo List
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Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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I gotcha, Steve! <grin>
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#: 3437 S10/Tandy CoCo
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12-May-90 20:11:19
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Sb: #3424-#CoCo List
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Fm: Randy Wilson 71561,756
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Steve,
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Last mod date on my cclist.txt file is 89/12/29. Guess I got the old copy.
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Randy
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#: 3456 S10/Tandy CoCo
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13-May-90 12:08:25
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Sb: #3437-CoCo List
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Randy Wilson 71561,756 (X)
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Ahh .. that explains the mystery, Randy. Sorry 'bout the confusion.
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Steve
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#: 3425 S10/Tandy CoCo
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12-May-90 07:21:18
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Sb: #3421-C arrays
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Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
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To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
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OK, I got it Zack. Thanks.
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#: 3530 S10/Tandy CoCo
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16-May-90 18:07:35
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Sb: #3419-C arrays
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Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
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To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
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Last call for cgfx.l erratia to be included in the LIB file. cf. messages 3419
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and 3421.
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#: 3426 S10/Tandy CoCo
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12-May-90 08:26:16
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Sb: #3407-C arrays
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Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
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To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
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Wow! And I thought what I wanted to do was complicated! Now I feel better, but
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even more confused than I was before.
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Bill
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#: 3427 S7/Telecommunications
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12-May-90 08:26:21
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Sb: #3406-Modem problems
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Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
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To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)
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Lute,
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I can't really recommend any one particular modem. My experience has been with
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a very inexpensive 2400 modem (Supra) that works, but is a little flakey, and
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with one of the older US Robotics Courier modems that is rock solid (but was
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almost $400). Bruce is right, though, avoid the really cheap ones, so plan to
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spend at least $150. DO NOT buy the US Robotics modem that is around $150, I
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have had nothing but trouble with two different versions of that model at work.
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Also Hayes modems seem to be overpriced.
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Bill
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#: 3429 S7/Telecommunications
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12-May-90 10:26:24
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Sb: #S-Term file loss
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Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
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To: Anyone
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I could swear that sometimes while using S-Term I lose my capture file.
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Usually I open /r0/name with the esc-C command. I close it before exiting
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S-Term. After exiting S-Term, sometimes it isn't there. Thought I might see if
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anyone else has this happen.
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Paul
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#: 3431 S7/Telecommunications
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12-May-90 11:01:18
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Sb: #3429-#S-Term file loss
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X)
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Paul,
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The capture feature of STERM has been rock soild for me for years.
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Is it possible that you're miss-keying the path name and the file is actually
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ending up somewhere else? I've had that hhappen to me more times than I care to
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admit ;-)
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Steve
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#: 3461 S7/Telecommunications
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13-May-90 15:07:49
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Sb: #3431-S-Term file loss
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Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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You're right. After being very careful about closing the file each time the
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problem went away. There is also that phantom /ro typo.
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Paul
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#: 3432 S11/Non-CoCo OS-9
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12-May-90 11:13:01
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Sb: SS-50 Ram Boards
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Fm: Ken Drexler 75126,3427
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To: Pete Lyall, 76703,4230 (X)
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Pete,
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I tried to call Computer Excellence as you suggested. It appears they are out
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of business. Their phone number is now a residence and information has no
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listing for them. I guess I will have to look for SS-50 ram boards elsewhere.
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Ken
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#: 3433 S15/Hot Topics
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12-May-90 16:02:27
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Sb: #3393-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
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Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)
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Dan,
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Well, the best response here is no response. I WILL say that UniFlex is
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interested and that we talk.
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Kenneth-Leigh Enterprises and Interactive Media Systems have spent tens of
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thousands of dollars already. We will spend half a million before the year is
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out. That means that our choice of the operating system depends on two factors:
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timing, and what our markets need. UniFlex is EXTREMELY UNIX-like, even more so
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than OS-9. THis is sure to win over our education market, although OS9 could be
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made to work nicely, too. Also, UniFlex is real-time, making it logical for the
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data acquisition folks.
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Of course, I want OS-9 on the MM/1, too. But timing and the market drive us.
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We'll use a system that makes sense for the market, and work with the company
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that makes sense to us.
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BTW, you didn't mention that Minix may soon be available on the MM/1? Not that
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>I< want to be starting rumors!
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<grin>
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Paul
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#: 3434 S15/Hot Topics
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12-May-90 16:41:35
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Sb: #3433-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
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Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
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Dan,
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Part of that message got garbled -- strangeness at CIS! What was not printed
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was: OS-9 could also do extremely well in the education market, although I
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think it would be a somewhat harder sell. Also, with UniFlex being real-time,
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the data acquisition folks that we have targeted could do their work nicely.
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Over the years, UniFLex has kept up with changes in Unix, even to the point
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that they are FIPS (Federal Processing Standard) compatible and have NFS and so
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on. Very nice.
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Still, Microware seems to be getting some good stuff over, too.
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I don't want to give anyone the impression that Microware is being excluded.
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Just that we are committing ourselves to the OS vendor that commits to us -and
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we have a good relationship with Microware and UniFlex.
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Paul
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#: 3440 S15/Hot Topics
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12-May-90 23:34:18
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Sb: #3434-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
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Fm: John Dickey 76537,2631
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To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
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Paul, Two quick things... One, Have not yet received any info (other than here
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on the sig) of the MM/1 from KLE. Address to send to is...
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John Dickey Jr.
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Susquehanna QBS
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325 N. Pine St.
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Lancaster, PA 17603
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Two, The MM/1 without OS9 would hold no interest to us at Susquehanna... Maybe
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I'm coming into this conversation at mid-point but the gist of what I'm reading
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sure isn't re-assuring. Understand market, etc. but I thought that since
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Phillips (et al) had [chosen?] OS9 that the machine you were bringing out would
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have it as the OS? Would appreciate any comment you would have that would
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straighten out any mis-understanding on my part. Thanks for your time and in
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getting out a brochure/info on the MM/1 to us.
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John
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#: 3443 S15/Hot Topics
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13-May-90 06:10:01
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Sb: #3440-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
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Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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To: John Dickey 76537,2631 (X)
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John,
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Thanks for the address -- I'll need to check to see if you were on the list for
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the second mailing (going out this week). The first mailing went out around the
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Fest (over 800 pieces) and this one is at least as big. We've had a really
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tough time keeping up with the demand.
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About OS-9 on the MM/1 -- by no means are we excluding it.
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Remember what happened to us with Tandy -- we were dealing with a company that
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seemed mute.
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Microware and UniFLex (one more than the other) have been communicating with us
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well, making us hopeful that if one or both operating systems is included we as
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a community will have a forthcoming and involved OS vendor to by (oops, "be") a
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partner.
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Does that make sense to you?
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Paul
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13-May-90 10:34:30
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Sb: #3443-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
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Fm: Colin Smith 73777,1360
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To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
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I HATE Unix!
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[Just an opinion]
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BTW Paul, is there any chance of a CHEAP high level programming language being
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made available (i.e. BASIC09 for $25?).
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And one more thing. How soon before you will start announcing prices, software
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support, etc? The suspense is killing me.
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-Colin
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#: 3460 S15/Hot Topics
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13-May-90 14:49:00
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Sb: #3449-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
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Fm: Steve Sampson N5OWK 75136,626
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To: Colin Smith 73777,1360 (X)
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Then you'll hate OS-9 - it's billed as Unix-Like. :-) Cheap and 68K parts are
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two words that don't go together. If you want a cheap basic, go buy an used
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Apple II+... :-)
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#: 3550 S15/Hot Topics
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17-May-90 00:34:51
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Sb: #3460-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
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Fm: Colin Smith 73777,1360
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To: Steve Sampson N5OWK 75136,626 (X)
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No, I actually like OS-9. I just hate UNIX. What are the differences? How
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about DEL vs RM, DIR vs LS, LIST vs CAT etc...
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--Colin KB5BSH
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#: 3557 S15/Hot Topics
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17-May-90 16:07:27
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Sb: #3550-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
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Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524
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To: Colin Smith 73777,1360
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(not standing up for UN*X, mind you, I'm a VMS person at work, and an OS9er at
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home, but) UN*X does have an alias command so you can make your user interface
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to be anything you like. And UN*X does emply command line parameters and
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switches just like OS9 does. First thing I did when we got an Ultrix (DEC's
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flavor of UNIX) box was to go set up personal aliass for all the common
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commands to be like VMS!
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Zack
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Oh, Tim Koonce ported alias to OS9, so if you DO like UNIX, you can make your
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CoCo seem like it is running UNIX and not OS9!
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#: 3507 S15/Hot Topics
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15-May-90 10:00:32
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Sb: #3449-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
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Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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To: Colin Smith 73777,1360 (X)
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Colin,
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The current plan is to include a high level language in the base case system,
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and to include ANOTHER high level language in the second board package, making
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a full system come with TWO languages.
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Plus, we will be selling a language currently selling extremely well on MS-DOS
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machines.
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Pricing? Will let you know the REAL price in about a month. We have found that
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certain items are costing less, others more.
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We want to find a price that gives you guys a break but also allows us to hire
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FULL TIME PROGRAMMERS to crank out cool stuff.
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Incidentally, we already have several people from Atari, Amiga, and PC domains
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itching to get a system.
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Looks like the application support, esp. on the multimedia side, will be
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outrageous.
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I hate UNIX too, because it has made itself inconsistent and quirky at the
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Shell level which is where I spend most of my time. I am sorry, but I like the
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OS-9 convention of keeping executables together, instead of littering them all
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about. I mean, why have /usr, /bin, /misc, and so on?
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But I'm just being a stick in the mud. UNIX will be on five times as many
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desktops in two years as it is now. And if you look into Personal Computing
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Magazine this month, you'll see that MS-DOS is going LOSE about 20% market
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share.
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Looks like Tandy dropped the CoCo just in time to devote itself entirely to a
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fading market! <grin>
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Paul
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#: 3533 S15/Hot Topics
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16-May-90 18:45:05
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Sb: #3507-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
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Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524
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To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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What about Rexx? I'm not familiar (yet) with OS/9, but I think it'd be A Very,
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Very, Good Thing to have an implementation of Rexx available for the MM/1
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(maybe talk with William Hawes?). It's a fairly high-level language, and since
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the MM/1 _is_ multiuser and multitasking, having it on the machine from the
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git-go would give yet another slight 'edge' (plus, there are a lot of ARexx
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scripts out there already that I'm sure could be adapted quickly and easily.)
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You said something about hiring FULL TIME PROGRAMMERS to crank out cool
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stuff... I'd be interested in seeing a list of what you have 3rd parties
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already working on (like paint programs, animation prorams, etc), and another
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list of what applications you'd need full time prorammers for rather than
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farming it out (85% curiosity :).
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--Eet--
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(An Itchy Amiga Person :)
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#: 3544 S15/Hot Topics
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16-May-90 22:21:20
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Sb: #3507-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
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Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
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To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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Paul, I hope that "popular MSDOS language" is not Pascal -- I'd hate to pay one
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extra penny for my 2nd board to get that crippled dinosaur. Just send my Pascal
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diskette blank, save me the trouble of reformatting it. All I want is C, and
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maybe Basic for "shell scripts." UNIX has very powerful Shell programming
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language, but I hope I never figure out how to use it. At work we have
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25-year-old clerks to devote their lives to its arcane syntax. "Inconsistent"
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is being very nice of you. --mike k
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#: 3551 S15/Hot Topics
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17-May-90 00:37:17
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Sb: #3507-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
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Fm: Colin Smith 73777,1360
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To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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Awww, too bad for Tandy. Anyway, I need the rest of the summer to save up some
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more dough. I hope you're happy; you're going to take all my money!!
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-Colin
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#: 3471 S15/Hot Topics
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13-May-90 21:08:14
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Sb: #3443-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
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Fm: John Dickey 76537,2631
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To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
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Paul, Thanks for the quick reply. It makes a lot of sense to me, and seeing
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the qualification puts my mind at ease. Thanks for the reply and in advance for
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the info on the MM1. Looking forward to seeing it.
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John
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#: 3499 S15/Hot Topics
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14-May-90 21:56:17
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Sb: #3434-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
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Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
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To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
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Is UniFlex any better at real-time work than OSK? Microware has always praised
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OS9/K for its realtime response. BTW, I recall UniFlex being around back in the
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6809 days -- oops, I mean around the time OS9 was pushing out Flex, about 1983.
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This is the first I've heard of UniFlex since way back then. And we thought
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Microware was hiding under a bushel...mike k
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15-May-90 00:10:09
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Sb: #3499-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
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Fm: Steve Sampson N5OWK 75136,626
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To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X)
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Not better, but designed differently. RT OSK designs can be put together
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without a disk, while UniFlex needs a Hard Disk. It swaps processes to memory
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and/or the hard disk. OSK just uses RAM and doesn't swap. This can be a plus
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in many applications. My old UniFlex always swaps. Even if I have enough
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memory. It's basically just running procs in a 512Kb max space, and using the
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rest of memory (1.5meg) as the swap device (software memory management).
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Equipped with a 68030 you can run virtual memory and forget all that garbage.
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I want to port Minix to mine and get basically the system that OSK uses - out
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of memory? tough! The C compiler/Assembler are very good on the UniFlex
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machine. I documented a couple of bugs, but they are easy to work around. One
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feature it says I'm supposed to have is a Unix switch on the C compiler. As it
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is UniFlex uses a CR rather than a LF, and that messes alot of stuff up. The
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switch doesn't work though (the required library is probably an option $$).
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The other thing I hate is that it uses a '+' for command line options, rather
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than a '-' like normal. This causes you to have to use the shift key to get
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at. It's probably cheaper to buy a 386 with 'real' Unix than get UniFlex
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software by itself. It's very expensive with the RT and Virtual Mem options.
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Unless they had a big price reduction.
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16-May-90 22:01:04
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Sb: #3504-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
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Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
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To: Steve Sampson N5OWK 75136,626 (X)
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Very interesting. Sounds like UNIX warmed over, same good and bad points.
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Except it's like OSK, not UNIX, in using CR instead of LF. As to price, Paul is
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hinting that UniFlex may be making a good deal, in order to get their product
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into t he spotlight maybe. I hadn't heard of UniFlex since 1983! Thanks for
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the info.
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#: 3510 S15/Hot Topics
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15-May-90 10:14:23
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Sb: #3499-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
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Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X)
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Mike,
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TSC changed its name to UniFlex fairly recently. They actually sell pretty well
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nowadays, and their real-time response is quite good, certainly adequate for
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our targets.
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Flex was the OS that Tandy was considering along with OS-9 for the 6809.
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Flex lost out because they were -- at that time -- unwilling to do the port to
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the Color Computer. I guess they learn lessons!
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BTW, I am still big on Microware. They are busy because they have a very fine
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product.
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And I am negotiating (on the side) a deal with a DC beltway bandit to sell LOTS
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of copies of OS-9 and OS-9000 in a telemetry system that integrates an AMD29K,
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68030,a dn 80386!
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Weird setup, but each chip is actually being used for what it does best.
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Paul
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16-May-90 22:11:51
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Sb: #3510-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
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Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
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To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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Glad to hear Microware is still in the running, whew! So Flex and Uniflex are
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from the same outfit. Ya know Frank Hogg used to be a big Flex dealer, and
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phased over to OS9. Nice to know some beltway bandit got a '386 to do something
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besides spreadsheets, or whatever PClones are used for, grin.
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#: 3555 S15/Hot Topics
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17-May-90 10:29:36
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Sb: #3434-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
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Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
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To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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As a user/developer of os/9 communications software that runs on VME slaves,
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let me vote for an o.s. that does not require an attached mass storage device.
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If you require that (as people here have said UniFlex does), you lock yourself
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out of imbedded systems where a *lot* of the data acquisition work is done.
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FWIW.
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Mark Wuest
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#: 3446 S15/Hot Topics
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13-May-90 09:25:43
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Sb: #3433-#OS9 A/O Uniflex???
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Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
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To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
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Paul,
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Thanks for the update. Minix, eh?
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Oh...btw...keep us updated!
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Dan
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#: 3448 S15/Hot Topics
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13-May-90 10:14:22
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Sb: #3446-OS9 A/O Uniflex???
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Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)
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Dan,
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No problem.
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You might want to look at all the official literature coming out of
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Kenneth-Leigh Enterprises -- notice that there is no mention of OS-9!
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That's not to say (once again) that we won't HAVE OS-9 -- just that the OS
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that's bundled with the system will be determined by timing and by what the
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market needs (low cost, powerful multitasking, UNIX-style).
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And, once again, we have good relations with the OS vendors mentioned.
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Paul
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#: 3435 S10/Tandy CoCo
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12-May-90 16:44:28
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Sb: #3395-#Pictures Needed
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Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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To: Dale L. Puckett 71446,736 (X)
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Dale,
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There are two customers of mine that use CoCos in unique applications. One
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customer works at an internationally famous PR firm, where he uses the CoCo on
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a TV monitor so that his Big BUck clients can keep track of which audio/video
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studio is being used at what time.
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The other client uses the CoCo 3 and Basic09 to produce printing quotes very
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rapidly. He keeps a competitive edge with prices and with quick repsonses.
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I'll see if I can get them to send photos!
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Paul
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#: 3552 S10/Tandy CoCo
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17-May-90 01:03:35
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Sb: #3435-Pictures Needed
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Fm: Dale L. Puckett 71446,736
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To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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Paul,
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Thanks, How about the names and phone numbers. Any chance? Sounds worth a
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mention. Dale
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#: 3439 S10/Tandy CoCo
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12-May-90 22:13:08
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Sb: #RS-DOS Shell
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Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
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To: all
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Has anyone written an RS-DOS shell (RS-DOS, the file-system transfer program,
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not the operating system)? If not, I am planning on writing one. Thanx.
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#: 3447 S10/Tandy CoCo
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13-May-90 09:28:26
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Sb: #3439-#RS-DOS Shell
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Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
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To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X)
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Joseph,
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Check out the program RSDOS.AR in Lib 10. It runs under OS9, and will
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transfer back and forth, files between OS9 and RS-DOS files.
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Dan
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#: 3487 S10/Tandy CoCo
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14-May-90 16:23:21
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Sb: #3447-RS-DOS Shell
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Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142
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To: Dan Robins 73007,2473 (X)
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No, no, no, I already have RSDOS. What I am talking about is a SHELL... ie, a
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friendly little GUI shell that does all the dirty work for you... you know,
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click on a few icons, input a name or two, click on an OK button, and pop! you
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see a directory of an RS-DOS disk, or transfer a file, etc. That's what I
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mean. Looks like I'll write one.
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#: 3441 S10/Tandy CoCo
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13-May-90 01:07:26
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Sb: #c-array initialization
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: all
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Okay, time for my next "innocent 'C' question".
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I would like to initialize an array of pointers so that each pointer points to
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an array of values. For example, I can get the correct results by doing;
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char data[][3]={
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{1,2,3},
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{.....}
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But this seems to be wasteful if the data are all constants. There is no need
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for it to be transfered from the program area to the data area. I thought I
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could do something like
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char *data[][4]={}
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But of course, this sets up a double array of pointers. Not what I want. I
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simply want a pointer to data[0][0], a second pointer to data[1][0], etc. Heck,
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I'd even settle for a single dimensioned array with a pointer pointing to the
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start of the whole mess. What I can't figure is how to define the data. It can
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be done with strings...but what about values?
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#: 3445 S10/Tandy CoCo
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13-May-90 09:25:03
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Sb: #3441-#c-array initialization
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Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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If I understand you correctly, what you're trying to do is set up a large look
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up table of constants and you don't want to waste run time and/or memory by
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setting it up in data memory. One way to do this is to employ a stand alone
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data module which you access via modlink(). This requires a separate program
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to generate the memory module which you then merge with your object program. I
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uploaded a file, DATGEN.AR, to LIB 3 a few months back showing how this can be
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done. Have a look at this file and see if you can apply it to your problem.
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#: 3505 S10/Tandy CoCo
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15-May-90 01:03:53
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Sb: #3445-#c-array initialization
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Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203
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To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
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Bruce,
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Yes, you're right on in what I am trying to do. I had considered data modules
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before, but with the richness of C it seemed that there had to a simpler way.
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After all,
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char *foo="this is text"
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does NOT force "this is a text" to the data area. All I need to do is to
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substitute integer values for the string. But how?
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BTW, I want to use this data to intialize some GET/PUT buffers. I guess another
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way to do it would be to have the data in a file and send that to the buffers,
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but having it all in the program makes things nice and clean. I got your datgen
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file. I've not had a change to digest it yet, but it seems quite useful. You do
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mention somewhere that data modules should be treated as ROM. Hmmm? I recall in
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"The Rainbow OS9 ...." that they used data modules to store variable data.
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Also, they can be used for interprocess communication. Don't really see why
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not. Comments?
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#: 3512 S10/Tandy CoCo
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15-May-90 17:56:15
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Sb: #3505-#c-array initialization
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Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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String literals are the only type of data that are left in the program area. I
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believe the ANSI enhancement of C adds the specifier 'const' which would allow
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other types of data to be handled in that way. With standard C everything is
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copied into the data area.
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Reading the data in from a disk file has much to say for it. If all you're
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doing is plugging it once into GP buffers there's no reason to have a second
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copy of the data in memory at all. The down side is that you always have to
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worry that the data file is where the program expects it to be. It is cleaner
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to have it loaded in along with the program. If you have enough memory left
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over in your last 8K block of program memory for a data module then you don't
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even waste any memory.
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You can use a data module as variable memory as you described. You just have
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to be sure to update the module's CRC if you want OS9 to link to it again. In
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my opinion, however, this is bad practice since modifying a data module makes
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the program non-reentrant. Say a program modifies a data module and you then
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go to another window and start the same program as a second process. If the
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first process didn't update the CRC, the second process can't link to the data
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module. If the CRC has been updated, the second process begins with a modified
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data module rather than with it de-novo. If both processes continue to modify
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the data module to their own ends chaos can ensue.
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#: 3513 S10/Tandy CoCo
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15-May-90 18:10:15
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Sb: #3512-#c-array initialization
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
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Once a module has been loaded, the CRC isn't checked again. So the only time
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you'd have to update the CRC would be just before saving out the data module
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(or before loading it from disk again)... if such need arises.
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Just wanted to throw that in, in case it changes your approach to using data
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modules. - kev
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#: 3514 S10/Tandy CoCo
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15-May-90 19:41:07
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Sb: #3513-#c-array initialization
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Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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Kevin,
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The CRC is checked if a program requests a link to the module as with a C
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modlink() call. This would occur if a second incarnation of the program were
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started up as a new process.
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#: 3519 S10/Tandy CoCo
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15-May-90 20:53:52
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Sb: #3514-c-array initialization
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
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Really? Modlink() checks a module's CRC? I wonder why. Sure about that?
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curious - kev
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#: 3515 S10/Tandy CoCo
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15-May-90 20:18:15
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Sb: #3513-#c-array initialization
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Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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Woops, I take that back. I checked it out and you're right, OS9 will link to a
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module with a bad CRC. You learn something new every day.
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#: 3520 S10/Tandy CoCo
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15-May-90 20:55:49
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Sb: #3515-c-array initialization
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
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Ooops. Okay, disregard my last question <grin>, too. Once a module is in
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memory, os9 (and everyone else) assumes it must be good. CRC checks take a long
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time, and the main reason for preloading is for speed. Glad to hear modlink()
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doesn't recheck! thx - kev
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#: 3442 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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13-May-90 03:18:22
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Sb: #os-9 computers
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Fm: William Macaulay 75340,2356
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To: [F] All
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I am looking for a machine that uses the OS-9 operating system. My major
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application is robotic control therefore a fairly powerful machine (68000,
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68020, etc) would be needed to keep up with the computational demand What is
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available -- off the shelf , and how much would such a system cost.
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#: 3444 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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13-May-90 06:18:22
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Sb: #3442-os-9 computers
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Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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To: William Macaulay 75340,2356 (X)
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William,
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Right now, it seems you should go with a VME system. It's an industry standard
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that has a wide variety of outstanding add-on cards. If you cannot afford it,
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and can roll your own stuff, you might try using the parallel port on an
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Ultrascience PC add-on card.
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These are 68000-based systems that fit in a PC.
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Soon, my company is porting OSK to a 68030 board from Definicon that also fits
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in a PC.
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For other options, leave me email
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Thanks.
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Paul
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#: 3452 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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13-May-90 11:36:51
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Sb: #3442-os-9 computers
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Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565
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To: William Macaulay 75340,2356 (X)
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The VME stuff is awful expensive, I suggest that you check in to the G-64/96
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bus systems available from Gespac in Mesa AZ. They have a wide range of boards
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allowing you to easily configure a system to your needs. Call and ask for a
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catalog and price sheet, last phone number I have for them is (602) 962-5559,
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if this is incorrect use directory assistance I seem to remember them changing
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numbers or moving? Can't remember for sure.
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I'd also suggest calling Microware and asking for a copy of their latest
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hardware/software sourcebook which lists many OS-9 system vendors.
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#: 3463 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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13-May-90 16:47:21
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Sb: #3442-os-9 computers
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: William Macaulay 75340,2356 (X)
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Hi. Is this for personal experimentation, or an industrial application? Need it
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be smaller than a breadbox? <grin> Obviously you'll need lots of I/O, also.
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You've got a lot of choices, from VME to STD bus to small boards. What's your
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preference? As someone else mentioned, be sure to also call Microware
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(515-224-1929) and ask for their OS9 Source Book, which lists many vendors (but
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by no means all). best - kev
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#: 3506 S12/OS9/68000 (OSK)
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15-May-90 05:44:18
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Sb: #3442-os-9 computers
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Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312
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To: William Macaulay 75340,2356
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William:
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You might call Fred Brown at Peripheral Technology in Marietta, Ga. He offers a
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68000 machine customized to your requirements. Depending on your requirements,
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price is probably in the range of 1700 to 2500 including pro OS-9. His phone
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number is 404-984-0742. BTW, I understand he has sold many machines for
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industrial applications.
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Ed
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13-May-90 11:01:48
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Sb: #3324-#New OS9 ?
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Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Sounds good to me, but when can we expect this new re-write for LII ?
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tony
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#: 3457 S10/Tandy CoCo
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13-May-90 12:10:56
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Sb: #3450-New OS9 ?
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
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I've been wondering the same thing myself. At this time, we can only keep our
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ear to the ground.
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Steve
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13-May-90 11:19:03
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Sb: #3335-#Fastgraf / Bounce.ar
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Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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Hi kevin,
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No, I'm not using the level 1 basic09, I didn't start using os-9 until LII came
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along. But I still can appreciate all the work that you and the others have put
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in to make os-9 a better environment. I can't imagine what using os-9 without
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windows (/term only, and 32 characters at that) would be like. Talk about an
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upgrade ! If I don't think I am running out of memory because when I installed
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it on my friends' system, we started it up just like the .doc file said to.
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The only difference between our systems )as far as I can remember) is that I
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have a Disto 512k ramdisk and clock and printer card. My friend is using a B&B
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host adapter and cllock. I also have the (original lock up prone) B&B host
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adapter. Down on the software level, that means I have a different desciptor
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and drive for my printer and clock, but I really don't think that has anything
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to do with my problem. My system has had a number of wierd unexplainable
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problems that fade in and out. I tried resolving them to a software problem
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because it only happened under os9. But one problem finally showed up under
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rsdos. Anyway I am in the process of re-flowing all the solder joints on that
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cc3. I bought a new one last week since they were on sale foe $129 (still too
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high), and Tandy said they would be dropping the cocos. This one doesn't have
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the sparklie problem !
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Speeking of the sparklie problem, when you install the disto 1 meg board, do
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you actually get more SYSTEM memory as well. Several times I have run out of
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memory, but by using smap pmap and some other programs, it looked as I was out
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of system space, not user memory. Do the patches to os9 for the upgrade take
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care of this ?
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By the way, when can we expect to see the new os9 for the coco 3 ????
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See ya soon.
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TC
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#: 3464 S10/Tandy CoCo
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13-May-90 16:50:30
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Sb: #3451-Fastgraf / Bounce.ar
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
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Nope, nothing cures the out of system-space problem. We're off-and-on looking
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into moving more of the drivers/etc into other maps, the way grfdrv is now.
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That's about all that can be done. Hmmm... well, and/or moving process
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descriptors into other maps, which it's rumored someone did on his L-II system
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years back. Never knew who that was, tho.
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13-May-90 11:44:55
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Sb: #3053-#That Darn Computer!
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Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
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To: Colin Smith 73777,1360 (X)
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Paul
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I received the flyer from your group regarding the new computer, it seemed to
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me that it wasn't a finalized design, but a wish list. Also there was not any
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price or availability mentioned. I also have just received a flyer from the
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competition on their new intro to the os-9 market, the TC9. Now they have
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described how expandable it it is and how you could add a 68 this and a 16 MHZ
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that. But they did list a price for the TC9 at $299. But I could did not really
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say what ALL was on the board. Are we paying $299 for a coco3 ? with a KBUS
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connector with a Parallel port and 2 serial ports or what? Regardless, I am
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exited that there ARE TWO logical upgrades for the coco3 (I hope Tandy
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regretthere decision) and am anticipating more news for both of them. I wish
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both parties the best of luck, but frankly the fact that I can plug my coco3
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into the os gateway really sways my checkbook heavily (oops). By the way the
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worEWAY has been used in IBM mainframe environments as a pseudo windowing
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system into different machines / processes. I have a friend who writes
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automation software for big blue machines. He has 3 coco hd systems in his
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computer room next to his terminal, where he can dial into work and fix the
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problems from home. Well one day he showed me this Gateway that they were using
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which allowed him to cut and paste system messages from one process to another
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(via Windows) on a TERMINAL !!!!!. It actually has more features, but I can't
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remember them. Just wanted to make you aware of the Gateway name, to avoid
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possible legal conflicts.
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Actually, I like the name OS Gateway. It reminds me of the movie ...........
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Millenium.
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One thing that I am really interested in is the stereo 8 bit bort for sound
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playing and sampling. I have been using Studio Works under rsdos which takes 5
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or 6 bit samples (user selectable) through the joystick port. They have also
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announced an 8 bit A/D cartridge and new software coming out very soon. Now if
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I could only do that under os9. Looks like I can, it's just a matter of time.
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Can't wait.
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When will your machine be available ?????????????????
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13-May-90 16:52:44
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Sb: #3453-#That Darn Computer!
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
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Ha! That reminds me... some of the Amiga guys have decided that Millenium is
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the perfect name for the MM/1. Paul, take notice!
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#: 3531 S15/Hot Topics
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16-May-90 18:35:44
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Sb: #3465-#That Darn Computer!
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Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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Glad you remembered, Kevin. Here, capture this message and show it to Paul...
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"Millenium is the perfect name for the MM/1"
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signed,
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An Amiga Gui
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16-May-90 21:23:42
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Sb: #3531-That Darn Computer!
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X)
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Hehe. Done and done. Thanks!
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14-May-90 21:43:12
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Sb: #3371-#That Darn Computer!
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Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
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To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
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Thanks for the info. Who makes up these names anyway :-) Wonder if the libe
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includes parse routines and sysex stuff? I already have the basics. Thanks,
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mike k
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15-May-90 10:10:23
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Sb: #3497-#That Darn Computer!
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Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X)
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I have no clue what the libs contain. Even if I had them in hand, I think C
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code looks like someone dropped hairpins on a page of strange Ethiopian poetry.
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Although I HAVE successfully written a couple of small C programs, and have the
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hang of the compiler options. Just thought I'd best get up to date.
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Paul
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16-May-90 22:08:20
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Sb: #3509-That Darn Computer!
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Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
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To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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Yes, C code can look pretty dense to the novice, especially highly "idiomatic"
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C code. Pascal, on the other hand, is structured COBOL -- for folks who like
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to type a LOT of chars. --mike k
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13-May-90 11:53:01
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Sb: #2973-#That Darn Computer!
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Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
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To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X)
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Mike Isn't the amiga multi-user as well as multi-tasking, or is it just
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multi-tasking ?
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13-May-90 16:57:27
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Sb: #3454-That Darn Computer!
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
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While you can fire up a shell on the Amiga serial port, its OS doesn't
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currently have record-locking or multiuser permissions. Thus apps which have
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several users (say, a BBS or handling several Amigas for a database) usually
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just lock out entire files or whole partitions of the hard disk, to prevent
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problems.
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So no, I wouldn't consider it multiuser, any more than you'd call a CoCo under
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RSDOS with one of those remote serial port patches multiuser.
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14-May-90 21:44:54
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Sb: #3454-#That Darn Computer!
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Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
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To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104
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What I hear is that Amiga is NOT multi-user, which gives the MM1 an advantage
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-- let your wife do word-crunching on your machine from another room. Too bad
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we didn't buy those CRT terminals at the last 'Fest, grin.
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16-May-90 18:37:37
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Sb: #3498-#That Darn Computer!
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Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524
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To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X)
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A frightening and somewhat disgusting thought.... Get an Amiga 500 to act as a
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remote terminal for the MM/1. --Eet--
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16-May-90 22:16:31
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Sb: #3532-#That Darn Computer!
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Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
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To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 (X)
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You're logged into t he wrong group. You meant to say "funny as h*ll", right?
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How about an MM1 serving as a Cluster Controller for a roomful of Amiga 500s?
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Just don't compare price tags -- maybe that's what's firghtening and
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disgusting. Lotsa grins on this one -- mike k.
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16-May-90 22:57:06
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Sb: #3543-That Darn Computer!
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Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524
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To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
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Uhm.. a 500 system suitable to be used as a terminal would run about
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$700-$800... (yeah, I meant 'funny as h*ll' :). Funny that some folks consider
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the Amiga as 'expensive'... guess I'm too used to fighting with MacFolk.
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--Eet--
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14-May-90 21:40:51
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Sb: #3370-#That Darn Computer!
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Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
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To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
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Great that you're getting support. I just hope that none of the Amiga/ST houses
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want to convert their MIDI software right away, if ya know what I mean. What,
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me selfish...? Anyway, I've pretty well decided not ever to bother with a
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Tomcat. --mike k
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15-May-90 10:08:20
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Sb: #3496-#That Darn Computer!
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Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X)
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Mike,
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These Atari MIDI folks won't be on board too early, not until a "large enough"
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(10,000 +) group of MM/1 owners have the optional MIDI port.
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Looking at our stats, that might be a good 18 months. Then give 'em six to 12
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months to write their stuff .. so you've got about two years before UltiMusE
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will be in the Survival-Of-The-Fittest mode.
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Yeah, I noticed on FHL's catalog that, once you buy the Tomcat board and a case
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(cheapest one is $180 and I know for a fact you can buy it from Shopper at
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$75), you then have to pay Frank $200 to put the thing together.
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Now hackers will do the integration themselves, but if Frank thinks that the
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hacker market is big enough to keep the CoCo ball rolling, he's got another
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thing comin' ...
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No, we want the MM/1 to be seen as a cool product for the software hacker, the
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consumer, and LATER the hardware hacker.
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I gues Frank is charging so much so that he won't get inundated with sales.
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After all, he can only sell a few hundred computers before the GIME chip supply
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is completely exhausted.
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Not to sound down on the Tomcat. I regard Bobo Puppo highly. He is a gentleman
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and a fine engineer. I just think that the MM/1 is the right approach to keep
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us together as a community.
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But then again, I am prejudiced.
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BTW, I am using Sterm on the MM/1 right now! Smooth, great colors on screen, a
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real nice system.
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Paul
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15-May-90 20:41:12
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Sb: #3508-#That Darn Computer!
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X)
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Paul,
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My flyer on the Tomcat arrived yesterday from Frank. Any sign of yours soon?
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Steve
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15-May-90 21:27:24
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Sb: #3518-#That Darn Computer!
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Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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What?!! You haven't RECEIVED one!?
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Let me see, here...
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Gosh (embarrassed flush), no, I don't see you here on the database.
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With thousands of responses to our ads to handle, you slipped through.
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Sorry, Steve.
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One is in the mail.
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Paul
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16-May-90 06:42:34
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Sb: #3521-That Darn Computer!
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Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473
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To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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Well...Geez Paul....I haven't gotten one either! (Although I have seen one of
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the beta units already...grin)....
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Howzabout mailing one to: P.O. Box 1302, Fuquay-Varina, NC 27526 (and don't
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ask me how the town is pronounced either....hehe)
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16-May-90 21:45:14
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Sb: #3521-That Darn Computer!
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Fm: Bob Wilkinson 72477,1037
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To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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Please send info to me also at:
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P. O. Box 5038
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Anaheim, CA 92804
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Thanks, Bob
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17-May-90 09:45:46
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Sb: #3521-That Darn Computer!
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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Thanks Paul. I really enjoyed our telephone conversation. Pick up the phone any
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time.
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Let me know if there's anything I can do to help.
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Steve
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16-May-90 22:06:29
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Sb: #3508-That Darn Computer!
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Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
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To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004
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OK Paul. Nice to know I have a little time, grin. Of course if you go UniFlex,
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that will tee a lot of people off, I suspect. Tho we are now seeing some
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discussions of its techinical merit versus OSK. Amazing how many people are
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coming out of the woodwork that have used UniFlex.
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Yes, Puppo's PC keyboard adapter is a really ingenious hack. I use it all the
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time now (can you tell by my typos!). Say, what machine's STerm did you start
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from to get it to the MM1? I DL'ed the Coco version once, spent $30 doing it I
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guess, but haven't tried it yet; I like OSTerm too much. BUt I could use that
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B+ protocol for DLs that aren't on Delphi. --mike k
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13-May-90 14:33:03
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Sb: #IRQ hack
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Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
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To: sysop (X)
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Hi:
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Where can I find the stuff on the IRQ patch for the RS232 pak? A friend wants
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to get his working. His system is locking up under OS9.
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>Lute<
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#: 3469 S10/Tandy CoCo
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13-May-90 20:50:51
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Sb: #3459-IRQ hack
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)
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Lute,
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Take a look at the file IRQHAK.TXT in LIB 10. That should get you going.
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Steve
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#: 3462 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
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13-May-90 15:44:31
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Sb: Multi-user OS9 BBS
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Fm: Michael Wood 71631,340
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To: all
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I am considering purchasing a 68k system to run a multi-user BBS on. I would
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like to know what multi-user BBS's are out there for OS9. If anyone can help me
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I would appreciate it!
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Send me E_MAIL with any suggestions.
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Thanks! Mike Wood (71631,340)
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#: 3467 S7/Telecommunications
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13-May-90 18:29:06
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Sb: #Q-Mail
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Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
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To: Anyone
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O.K.
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Anyone want to talk about a Q-mail reader for the Coco?
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Is one available or do we need one? Suggestions....
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Paul
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#: 3470 S7/Telecommunications
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13-May-90 20:51:57
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Sb: #3467-#Q-Mail
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X)
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Ok, I'll bite .... what's a Q-MAIL ?
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Steve
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#: 3489 S7/Telecommunications
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14-May-90 18:03:50
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Sb: #3470-#Q-Mail
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Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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I'm not sure either. Apparently it's becoming popular on PC based BBS's.
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I was board bopping and called 201-334-2555 (Hacker's Central) in NJ. The board
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hung up early on me and I immediately got this voice phone call- it was an
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apology from the sysop. Anyway, we talked for awhile and he mentioned that if I
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had a Q-mail reader I could scan the somewhat large message bases very quickly.
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It seemed legit to me as I have run into 'Q-mail' on other boards. There was a
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weird member application question on this board "Who is the manufacturer of
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your CPU?" Since I said 'Motorola'I was asked what operating system I used. The
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sysop (Mike) was apparently familiar with this and knew I had a COCO at this
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point. Another thing weird is some of the boards I was calling supported 38K
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baud over the standard phone lines. I didn't know that was possible.
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Anyway, if no-one here knows how Q-mail works, I will make an effort to
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find out.
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Paul
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#: 3529 S7/Telecommunications
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16-May-90 16:30:19
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Sb: #3489-Q-Mail
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Fm: J SILLIMAN 72355,1207
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To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X)
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Q-Mail is a door that IBM boards can use to download messages and read/reply to
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them offline. This door is great for long distance callers. It is very easy
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to use, and is fairly fast... I know this because I have used it before... I am
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sort of a mixed user
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#: 3468 S10/Tandy CoCo
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13-May-90 20:30:02
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Sb: #3376-One Meg Tuning
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Fm: Robert DeBolt 76417,2225
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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Kev,
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Thanks for the info. My friend soldered in a couple of 150s which
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nets out to 46 ohms. Haven't had any trouble since. Except, max9
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still crashes the system.
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Bob
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#: 3500 S10/Tandy CoCo
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14-May-90 22:07:55
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Sb: #3376-One Meg Tuning
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Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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I think you get much better luck at 1 Meg when you use a newer-version GIME
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chip. I had already upgraded mine, and had no trouble at all with the 1 Meg.
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However, I left my Hemphill 512 board's 100-ohm resistor in parallel with R22,
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rather than shorting it out as per the manual. Also I left the two little
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capacitors in there too. Maybe what's good for your current 512K board is best
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for the 1 Meg.
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PS: Users with jittery mouse curosrs should take care not to route the mouse
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"tail" near the monitor. Same goes for disk ribbon cables.
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#: 3472 S3/Languages
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13-May-90 21:23:48
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Sb: #F$Fork
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Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
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To: all
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Hi all... Having a bit of a problem forking a child process. I'm writing a LF
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stripper in assembler and want to fork Rename to rename the output file to the
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original name of the file. It won't work and I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.
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If you think you can give me a hand, let me know, and I'll upload it via EMail
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to you. Thanks...
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#: 3473 S3/Languages
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13-May-90 21:58:43
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Sb: #3472-#F$Fork
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X)
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Glen - why don't you strip out the sections where you do the fork, and post it
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here in a msg? (be sure to use the post/store unformatted (SU) option so the
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lines don't get scrunched up).
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One thing is: Y= the size of the parameters in BYTEs, not pages... and you
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should probably end the parameter line in a space or CR to delimit the filename
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you're renaming. What kind of error do you get?
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#: 3475 S3/Languages
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13-May-90 23:47:27
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Sb: #3473-#F$Fork
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Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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Hi Kev... You're kidding!?! Those twits who put the manual together said pages!
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Anyway, I don't get any error at all, it just doesn't rename the file.
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Drat! I just tried to upload the file segment, but I use OSTerm, and it won't
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send ASCII dumps (at least I have never figured out how to make it work). I'll
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try changing the parameter size to bytes and if that doesn't work, I'll put
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that part of the program up as EMail to you, OK?
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 3485 S3/Languages
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14-May-90 09:45:05
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Sb: #3475-#F$Fork
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X)
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Glen, You can use a protocol while uploading a message. Type UPL and go from
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there!
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Steve
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#: 3493 S3/Languages
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14-May-90 21:15:29
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Sb: #3485-#F$Fork
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Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Hi Steve... Really! I didn't know that. I'll have to try it next time I have an
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unkillable bug. Thanks...
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 3516 S3/Languages
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15-May-90 20:36:55
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Sb: #3493-#F$Fork
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Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
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To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X)
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Glen,
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Just to elaborate a bit further, the UPLoad command is supported at the
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MESSAGES prompt (just type mess) and within the forum editor by issuing the
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command /upl .
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Hope this helps
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Steve
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 3524 S3/Languages
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16-May-90 00:45:06
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Sb: #3516-F$Fork
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Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
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To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
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Thanks Steve... Now if I can only remember that next time I need it...
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#: 3476 S3/Languages
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13-May-90 23:58:45
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Sb: #3473-#F$Fork
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Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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Hi Kevin... Just tried it with Y in bytes and that cured it completely. There
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are times when this manual really bugs me. Costs a lot of time debugging
|
|
something that's not a bug at all - just a stupid typo! Anyway, once I get one
|
|
more little deficiency worked out of this thing, I'll upload it here - not that
|
|
anyone needs yet another file stripper, but what the hey! They'll get another
|
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anyway...
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 3477 S3/Languages
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14-May-90 00:48:11
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Sb: #3476-#F$Fork
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166 (X)
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Glen - glad to hear you got going. I think that particular manual mistake has
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been in there since day 1 of OS9's existence <grin>. Once you think about it,
|
|
pages doesn't really make sense there. Hindsight speaking, of course. Hehe. -
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kev
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#: 3478 S3/Languages
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14-May-90 01:37:34
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Sb: #3477-F$Fork
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Fm: GLEN HATHAWAY 71446,166
|
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To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X)
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|
|
Hi Kevin... Well, I'm done. It still won't strip files bigger than 64K, but
|
|
I'll work on that later. 99% of my text downloads are smaller then 64 anyway.
|
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So I'm going to upload it as-is. Take a look if ya want, but you'll find it
|
|
pretty tame stuff, compared to what you're used to working with. Thanks for the
|
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help...
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#: 3474 S3/Languages
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13-May-90 22:22:41
|
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Sb: #problems with os9fork
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Fm: BRETT 72057,3720
|
|
To: C gurus
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|
|
Greeting-
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|
I have two questions for some one longer in the tooth than I.
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|
|
|
1. Is there any way to transfer files between Dynacalc and Lotus 1,2,3?
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|
2. Is there any way to redirect input on an os9fork call in C?
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|
example code follows
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static char mail_args[] = " foo!foobar!user < dead.letter";
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|
|
os9fork("mail",strlen(mail_args),mail_args,1,1,0);
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|
|
These two lines always cause mail to take input from stdin, not from
|
|
dead.letter as it should (IMHO). HELP! this is giving me some trouble with
|
|
things I am working on for the uucp package.
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|
|
|
-Brett
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|
uucp............marob!nsi1!cassie!wa3yre!wynkoop
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#: 3482 S3/Languages
|
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14-May-90 08:54:26
|
|
Sb: #3474-problems with os9fork
|
|
Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523
|
|
To: BRETT 72057,3720 (X)
|
|
|
|
Brett,
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|
|
|
I can't help you with question #1, but I can with #2. To use redirection,
|
|
pipes, and any other shell functions, you must use the system() function OR
|
|
fork shell using the complete command line as you would type it in from the
|
|
keyboard. In your code fragment, you are actually passing all that stuff to
|
|
mail, and it doesn't know what to do with it. System is easier to use, since
|
|
you don't have to put in all those other parameters. This is your code modified
|
|
to use the system() function:
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|
|
char *mail_arg = "mail foo!foobar!user < dead.letter";
|
|
system(mail_arg);
|
|
|
|
If the command line is constant, you could also use:
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|
|
|
system("mail foo!foobar!user < dead.letter");
|
|
|
|
You can also use functions like strcpy() and strcat() to build up a command
|
|
line, something like:
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|
|
|
char *user;
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|
|
|
strcpy(user, "foo")
|
|
sendlet(user);
|
|
|
|
....
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|
|
sendlet(user)
|
|
char *user;
|
|
{
|
|
char cmdline[50]; /* make sure this is big enough, or use malloc */
|
|
system(strcat(strcat(strcpy(cmdline, "mail "),user)," <letter"));
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}
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|
|
|
Would issue the command: "mail foo <letter"
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|
|
|
Bill
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#: 3488 S3/Languages
|
|
14-May-90 17:47:25
|
|
Sb: #3474-#problems with os9fork
|
|
Fm: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376
|
|
To: BRETT 72057,3720 (X)
|
|
|
|
Brett,
|
|
To redirect I/O you can funnel the fork through shell as Bill said or do it
|
|
yourself through a sequence of Dup, close, and open system calls prior to the
|
|
fork. For details on this last see Kevin's file, dups.txt, in LIB 2.
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 3541 S3/Languages
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16-May-90 22:12:40
|
|
Sb: #3488-problems with os9fork
|
|
Fm: BRETT 72057,3720
|
|
To: Bruce MacKenzie 71725,376 (X)
|
|
|
|
Greeting-
|
|
Thanks to both you and Bill for the suggestions. Now to go off line and
|
|
digest them.
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|
-Brett
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|
#: 3490 S7/Telecommunications
|
|
14-May-90 20:21:07
|
|
Sb: WIZ
|
|
Fm: John Dickey 76537,2631
|
|
To: Bill Brady
|
|
|
|
Bill,
|
|
In WIZ, is it possible by changing a byte at an offset from the start of the
|
|
main program using DED, to change the default Printer path? What I would like
|
|
to do is set it up for /T3. By doing this I will be able to send information
|
|
out to a remote terminal or if I desire to a remote printer by using the
|
|
transparent print function of the terminal. As a side note I am also sending
|
|
a msg to Frank to get the descriptor and driver to allow WIZ to work with the
|
|
Eliminator package. I do have the system presently configured for the non-
|
|
polled interrupt mode. Any help you can give in this matter would be much
|
|
appreciated.
|
|
John /exit
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#: 3491 S15/Hot Topics
|
|
14-May-90 20:23:01
|
|
Sb: Mail Coming
|
|
Fm: John Dickey 76537,2631
|
|
To: Frank Hogg 70310,317 (X)
|
|
|
|
Frank, Just a note here to tell you I have sent you EMAIL in case you do not
|
|
have the option set to get mail on entering the service. John
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|
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#: 3492 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
|
14-May-90 20:24:13
|
|
Sb: #irq hack
|
|
Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230
|
|
To: 76625,2273 (X)
|
|
|
|
Bruce:
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|
|
|
I have a question for you. In the November 89 Rainbow Marty Goodman did an
|
|
article on the *CART interrupt. He mentions your name. Well I did the fix on my
|
|
machine, and a friend of mine would like me to do a hack on his machine.
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|
|
|
The only snag is that he still uses ROM packs with his MPI. So what I was
|
|
wondering, is...
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|
|
|
Could I just solder the Schottky diode on R2, run the wire over to a jack
|
|
installed in the Coco's case. Solder a wire on pin 8 of slot 1 of the MPI, put
|
|
a plug on it and plug them togeather?
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|
|
|
That way it shouldn't interfear with the other slots, you have a direct IRQ
|
|
line, and if you need to remove the MPI you just unplug. Also if you change
|
|
RS232 packs, you don't have to break into the new one for your patch.
|
|
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Will it work?
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>Lute<
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#: 3503 S10/Tandy CoCo
|
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14-May-90 23:41:15
|
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Sb: #3492-irq hack
|
|
Fm: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273
|
|
To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X)
|
|
|
|
~ Lute,
|
|
It sounds like it should work. So long as you're careful, I don't see how it
|
|
could do any harm... so give it a try.
|
|
Bruce
|
|
PS: This reply is in reference to your Schottky diode to R2 (in the CoCo 3),
|
|
wire to jack, jumper to jack on MPI, etc... question.
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|
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#: 3494 S1/General Interest
|
|
14-May-90 21:36:39
|
|
Sb: #3319-help osterm
|
|
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
|
|
To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X)
|
|
|
|
Zack, I'll try one this session and see what I get. --mike k
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|
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#: 3495 S1/General Interest
|
|
14-May-90 21:38:11
|
|
Sb: #3327-#help osterm
|
|
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
|
|
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
|
|
|
|
Yes, thanks -- I did the /proto:x1k tag and it really did work! Zack, did you
|
|
see this message? Steve, howe can I get this message permanently into my
|
|
profile? Thanks again, mike k
|
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 3517 S1/General Interest
|
|
15-May-90 20:39:49
|
|
Sb: #3495-#help osterm
|
|
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
|
|
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111 (X)
|
|
|
|
Mike,
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|
|
|
I'm not clear on what you're asking about getting 'this message permanently
|
|
into my profile', so I'll guess a bit.
|
|
|
|
If you mean, how can you set X1K as your default protocol ... you can't. CIS
|
|
doesn't officially support the protocol and offers it on an as is basis.
|
|
|
|
You'll have to use it on the fly.
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|
|
|
Steve
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 3542 S1/General Interest
|
|
16-May-90 22:13:45
|
|
Sb: #3517-#help osterm
|
|
Fm: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
|
|
To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X)
|
|
|
|
Yes, that's what I meant -- "profile" is Unix-ese for "startup". Sorry I can't
|
|
set it peremanently -- maybe I'll de-ARC STerm and try B+ someday. ANyway,
|
|
thanks for the good tip. --mike k
|
|
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#: 3554 S1/General Interest
|
|
17-May-90 09:51:58
|
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Sb: #3542-help osterm
|
|
Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255
|
|
To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
|
|
|
|
Mike,
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|
|
|
You might want to move Sterm up on your queue. It's got to be the best package
|
|
for use here on CompuServe. It's B+ implementation is the fastest was to nabb
|
|
files from our LIBs, and it also has xmodem so it's reasonably useful on other
|
|
services.
|
|
|
|
But ... don't forget you can fork a shell from within. So I find myself using
|
|
Sterm as a base then branching out from there. For instance:
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|
|
|
I log into a remote system in Orlando quite a bit. He supports several features
|
|
that make use of Vt100 emulation. By design, Sterm doen't have that .. but
|
|
nothing stops me from forking a shell and firing up OSTERM and taking care of
|
|
business.
|
|
|
|
Same system ... I also use KERMIT alot. Again, fork city and fire up Kermie and
|
|
away I go.
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|
Steve
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|
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#: 3556 S1/General Interest
|
|
17-May-90 10:33:59
|
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Sb: #3542-help osterm
|
|
Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332
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To: Mike Knudsen 72467,1111
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I did not notice if you had a 68K or 6809 system, but I run sterm on both. It
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basically compiled right away on my 68K system, and the 6809 version was
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already compiled for you, as I remember. Sterm is truly a great, Simple
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TERMinal program. (Thanks Mark G if you see this).
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Mark
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#: 3501 S1/General Interest
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14-May-90 22:48:59
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Sb: #Loading into OS9
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Fm: JOHN LAUCKNER 72075,1162
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To: all
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I have a coco 3 with 512k and am just getting started in OS9 11. I have a
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program that I downloaded from a local BBS with Ultimaterm, called KBCOM/AR. I
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don't know how to load the programs with the AR eextension into the OS9. This
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also al
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alplyes to programs with the extension "PAK". Can someone please tell me how
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to handle this type of program? THANKS.......JOHN
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There is 1 Reply.
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#: 3502 S1/General Interest
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14-May-90 23:07:55
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Sb: #3501-#Loading into OS9
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Fm: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273
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To: JOHN LAUCKNER 72075,1162 (X)
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John,
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Files with a ".ar" suffix are usually (if not always) ARchives. You need
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"AR09.BIN" for 6809, or "AR68.BIN" for 68K, OS-9. Look in the utilities
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library. Also look for "AR.DOC" or "AR.MAN" in the same library. After you
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download the AR??.BIN file, copy it into your CMDS directory as "AR", and don't
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forget to set the executable attributes. After all thats done you can use AR
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to extract files from any ARchived file.
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Files with a ".pak" suffix are also archived files, but they use the "PAK"
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utility. Look for PAK in the utilities section, or perhaps in the CoCo
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section. I don't know if pak is available as a separate binary file... it
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might be available as "PAK.AR", in which case you'll need to get AR first.
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Bruce
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#: 3527 S1/General Interest
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16-May-90 12:49:59
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Sb: #3502-Loading into OS9
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Fm: JOHN LAUCKNER 72075,1162
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To: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273 (X)
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Thanks a million Bruce!!! Having just got started in OS9, I am just beginning
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to be able to see some semblence of logic in the whole thing! Gonna give that
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AR a try. Thanks again...... JOHN..
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#: 3511 S14/misc/info/Soapbox
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15-May-90 17:09:32
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Sb: #3015-widows and orphans
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X)
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Bob - late answer. See WIDOWS.TXT in Lib 8 of the DTPFORUM. Apparently there
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are different definitions for both terms... and it depends on what book or
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person you talk to <grin>. - kev
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#: 3546 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
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17-May-90 00:02:42
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Sb: ACIA Info
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Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
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To: all
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I haven't called into CIS for a while... went through a month of messages and
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discovered a lot of people have questions about ACIAPAK under OS9. So I
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figured I'd put together some of the things I've learned from making my
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hardware and software run a login system with networking that is practially
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100% reliable.
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1) The basics of the RS232 Pak: It responds to addresses 0xff68 to 0xff6b.
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It *NEEDS* to have an IRQ line (via CART) to the CPU so that it can force
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the CPU to pull each character out of it's buffer as it comes in.
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2) The basics of an Multi-pak in relation to RS232 pak and OS9: Works with
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only one pak in the Multi-pak, because the pak switches the CART line
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to only one slot at a time. ACIAPAK driver forces it to a particular
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slot (#?) so that even while disk access are occuring (although NOT!
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floppy non-halt disk accesses) the CPU can pull data out of the ACIA.
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3) It is possible to put multiple ACIA ports on the CoCo. Requires that
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you change the address of each additional RS232 pak by re-wiring it
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slightly (15 or less operation). If using a Y-cable, just plug extra
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paks in. If using a Multi-pak, you must tie the CART signal from all
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the slots and the card edge together to bypass the internal switching.
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NOTE: the CART line on CoCo goes low when *any* device needs servicing.
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Because it is normally pulled high with a resistor, any device that
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needs to be read just pulls it low - more than one pak or other device
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pulling the CART line down at the same time is not a problem, even if
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one is saying "service me" and one is not.
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4) In the CoCo3, the CART line goes through the GIME before getting to the
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CPU. This is a problem, as the GIME will occasionally (maybe once in a
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thosand) not signal the CPU that it received a CART interrupt. This is
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what causes the ACIAPAK lockup syndrome - the easiest fix is done by
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wiring a certain diode in a certain way. This was documented recently
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in Rainbow (I have actually been giving these away with install docs
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with software purchases for almost 2 years now).
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#: 3547 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
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17-May-90 00:08:26
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Sb: ACIA Info
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Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
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To: all
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5) When operating a call-in line, the ACIA generates a problem because it
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will ignore incoming data when there is no CD signal present. The usual
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way around this is to force CD on the modem. Problem with this is that
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you then loose the capability to sense CD dropping so you can kick the
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user off the system. Or, you let CD go normal, and loose the CONNECT
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message when he calls in telling you what baud rate he is at. I developed
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a device I call a CDI (carrier detect interface) which does the same
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thing that some more expensive modems (like the MT224E) can do- CD is
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left high (going to computer), except for a few seconds after the carrier
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is actually lost, which kicks the user off. Then it goes back high so
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that you get the next CONNECT. I will post docs on building CDI's...
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6) The ACIAPAK driver has a handy feature that will automatically kill any
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processes with an open path to it's port when CD is lost. Set the type
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or parity code to 0x10 (bit 4 high) to enable this feature.
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7) Oh, when putting multiple RS232 paks on your system, you can use them
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under OS9 by just making copies of T2 and renaming the descriptor and
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changing the address to match the new devices. I have had up to 4 Rs232
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paks running in one machine at one time, with no data lost.
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8) You can run ACIAPAK outputing at up to 19200, but generally you will tend
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to loose characters inputing at anything faster than 2400. If anybody
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has a better aciapak with bigger buffers that works reliably at faster
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rates, let me know. This limit is imposed because of the buffer size of
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ACIAPAK and the overhead required by OS9 to get data in/out.
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9) Once the IRQ patch (see #4) has been taken care of, communication is 99.99%
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reliable. The only bug I still encounter occurs when a call-in user drops
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carrier having first stopped output via ^S or end of page. The process
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won't die because it is locked on output. To reset, first send a kill to
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the process and then do a 'echo >/t2', and hit ^E twice. This causes the
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#: 3548 S8/BBS Systems/TSMon
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17-May-90 00:13:32
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Sb: ACIA Info
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Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335
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To: all
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Argh. It cuts off my messages. I'll put the whole text along with the CDI
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info when I finish keying it in the file section...
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Scott Griepentrog, sysop@root (StG-net), StG@hummer.iupui.edu (arpa-net)
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#: 3549 S9/Utilities
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17-May-90 00:32:36
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Sb: #Level Two windows?
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Fm: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605
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To: Kevin Darling
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Kevin,
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Did you ever write a "window" driver for Standard OS-9 Level Two?
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Wendell
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#: 3559 S9/Utilities
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17-May-90 17:39:13
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Sb: #3549-Level Two windows?
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Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227
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To: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 (X)
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You mean for terminals? Nope. But there was/is a company selling virtual
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terminal screen software. I hear it works okay. Anybody remember the name?
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#: 3558 S10/Tandy CoCo
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17-May-90 16:44:33
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Sb: The Dungeon Depths
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Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572
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To: All
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I forgot to include the font file in my Dungeon Depths archive. If you have
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experienced an error #216, then downloading this file will correct it. It's
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called gothic.fnt. Sorry about the incovenience.
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#: 3560 S10/Tandy CoCo
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17-May-90 20:27:25
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Sb: 2nd Hard Drive Help
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Fm: JC Hoit 73127,2213
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To: all
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HELP! I am trying to put a second hard drive on my system and the system isn't
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recognising the two drives separatly. (Both LED's come on and neither one knows
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what to do.) I have the /h0 and /h1 set up. Seems that I don't know what I am
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doing with the hardware configuration.
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The equipment: B&B interface, WD1002S-WX2 controller, /H0 is a
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Miniscribe 3425, /H1 is a Seagate 213.
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Is there something that has to be done with the 8-pin jumper on the Seagate?
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How about the controller? Is there something I need to do with it? I am sure I
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have the data cables correct.
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Suggestion anyone?
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JCH
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