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Article 4984 of alt.zines:
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.cyberpunk.movement,alt.cyberspace,alt.zines
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Path: news.cic.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ae687
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From: ae687@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Billy Biggs)
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Subject: Line Noiz 18
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Message-ID: <CuFpBw.Enw@freenet.carleton.ca>
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Sender: news@freenet.carleton.ca (Usenet News Admin)
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Reply-To: ae687@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Billy Biggs)
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Organization: The National Capital FreeNet
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Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 18:14:20 GMT
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Xref: news.cic.net alt.cyberpunk:37305 alt.cyberpunk.movement:2617 alt.cyberspace:6714 alt.zines:4984
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e-mail me with comments, suggestions, submissions etc.
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BEGIN LINE_NOIZ.18
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I S S U E - ! * A U G U S T 1 2 , 1 9 9 4
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>LiNE NOiZ<<< >>>LiNE NOiZ<
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l^$ine no5i%$z
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CYbERPUNk I N f O R M A t i 0 N E - Z i N E
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<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< L I N E N O i Z >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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I S S U E - ! * A U G U S T 1 2 , 1 9 9 4
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: File !
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: Intro to Issue 18
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: Billy Biggs <ae687@freenet.carleton.ca>
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: TRANSCRIPT : OPINION by Jeff Minter
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: The PowerPack <vidarh@powertech.no>
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: File #
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: Line Noiz Opinion Question - Does Cyberpunk Still exist?
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: File $
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: Nibbles of Information
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: Billy Biggs <ae687@freenet.carleton.ca>
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File - !
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Because of many unrelated reasons, one of them being a sudden
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addictiveness to MU*s, Line Noiz hasn't put out an issue for a while, until
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now....
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Line Noiz is finally back, and this time to stay...
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I've got a new system in place... We're all set up to put out issues
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quickly... The new co-editor is Charles Leslie, he can be contacted at:
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'cleslie1@ua1ix.ua.edu'
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I've got a bunch of neat things lined up for Line Noiz 19, so please
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stay tuned...
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-Billy Biggs, editor.
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***** N o T e ******
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- We have been experiencing problems with our subscription list. If you
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find that the following subscription instructions are not working then
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e-mail me at ae687@freenet.carleton.ca and I'll see what I can do....
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=-*-= Subscription Info =-*-=
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o Subscriptions can be obtained by sending mail to: dodger@fubar.bk.psu.edu
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With the words: Subscription LineNoiz <your address>
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In the body of the letter.
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o Back Issues can be received by sending mail to the same address with the
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words BACK ISSUES in the subject.
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=-*-= Submission Info =-*-=
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o Please send any submissions to me: ae687@freenet.carleton.ca
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o We accept Sci-Fi, opinions, reviews and anything else of interest.
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o Please submit . . .
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From: vidarh@powertech.no (Vidar Hokstad)
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Subject: submission
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Know Jeff Minter? You know, the guy that wrote Attack of the mutant
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camels and Revenge of the mutant camels back in the good old CBM 64
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days? The Welsh loony that loves sheep, and Pink Floyd, and runs
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Llamasoft? Jeff used to have(?) a column in Commodore Computing
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International, and back in June 1988 this article appeared (p64).
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It didn't generate any fuzz. I hardly noticed it myself. Possibly one
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of the reasons was that Jeff always entertained with some sort of
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speculation about the future - most of them trash, all of them quite
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wild. But now, thinking about it, it is quite intriguing.
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There was a piece about something almost similar back in Line Noiz 7,
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but since I didn't have net access back then, I never commented it.
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However I've drawn several ideas from this article for my "Tales of the
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Book of Dreamscapes".
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BTW: I'm sure Billy would like you to submit any info you've got about
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research in the areas mentioned in this article, wouldn't you, Billy?
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[ Hey! Why Not! ]
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* The POWERPACK <vidarh@powertech.no>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> START OF TRANSCRIPT <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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OPINION by Jeff Minter
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Jeff Minter postulates the God Program and Direct Neural Input, and
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suggest reality may just be data fed to us by a computer... As usual
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the Welsh Hills are buzzing with ideas.
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Yow. Hello again. Suddenly, Spring has come to the Cych valley and
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it's getting harder and harder to get any work done - I mean, you get up
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and find that there's some groovy solar activity going on outdoors, so
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why should you go sit in a semi-darkened room with your nose three
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inches in front of a VDU all day?
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I've been well into the 'code, I've all but finished 'Space II'
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after a year of work (!) and I've just got the macro-load and some final
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debug to do. I'm aiming for completed code to show at the Atari Show in
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two weeks time. THEN I have to write the documentation, which is going
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to be a Big Task... I've been relaxing with 'Sidewinder' on th'Amiga,
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ZAP ZAP KERPOW or what??? I love it!! I've also resurrected a
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once-flagging Arkanoid addiction, but my Game of the Month isn't on the
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Amiga, it's Fantasy Zone II on the Sega [and this J.M. dared to write
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in a Commodore magazine... PP]. If you thought FZI was trippy, Wait'll
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you see FZII!
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This month, I've decided on a little more SF-type speculation on the
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possible futures available to us as the relentless tide of micro
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progress continues. With my piece on the Atari Discovery machine, I was
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looking just tens of years ahead. If you look a couple hundred years
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ahead, and allow for parallel advances in other technologies as well,
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the future begins to look a LOT more startling...
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Within 200 years, we can all be gods.
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I've made passing mention of the God Program before. Here's how it
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COULD work...
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First, we need some fundamental understanding of how the human brain
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functions. Specifically, we need to isolate the five sensory input
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channels and find out how they are encoded. This isn't as far-fetched
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as it might seem; I'm not saying that we need to find out anything
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unduly complex, like how thought works, or how the brain stores memory;
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we need to look at (for example) the signal coming out of the optic
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nerve and find out how that signal corresponds to the image received by
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the retina. Eyes and ears are not themselves as complex as the brain;
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they're complex electro-mechanical devices, and with enough research we
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may just find out how they encode the data they receive.
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Okay, let's postulate that we found out how the sense are encoded.
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The next stage is direct neural input - instead of looking at a screen
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with an image on it, the computer could be hooked directly into the
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optic nerve and the image data from the machine encoded such that the
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brain interprets it directly. Graphics on such a system would replace
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'normal' vision and have 'perfect' resolution - that is, anything the
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brain is capable of resolving, you would see. The pixel would be a
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thing of the past.
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Extrapolate this idea to cover the rest of the senses and you have
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fivechannel DNI. Hook this up to a really powerful computer running an
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advanced version of the World Simulator which I described in the Atari
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article. You've just created yourself a personal reality.
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(I had an argument with a chap down the pub about DNI. I was trying
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to explain the whole God concept, and he kept saying 'but it wouldn't
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be REAL!' But what is reality? All we use to function, all we have to go
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on, is the flow of data coming in over our five sensory channels. Our
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entire perception of the world boils down to as series of nerve impulses
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from our sense organs. Replace all five channels with DNI input, and
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that input becomes reality. It IS reality).
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Now, allow us to communicate with the computer that's generating our
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new reality. If we want to go really far-out, we can postulate
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'mind-control' - you think of something, the computer assesses your
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thoughts and generates whatever you require. Of course, this requires a
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little more than decoding of the sense inputs - to do thoughtcontrol
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you've got to understand what thoughts are, and that's likely to be a
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little difficult, at least at first. There are simpler ways - for
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example, sample the outputs from the brain to the motor nerves and feed
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this back into the computer, and any action you attempt to make with
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your 'real' body will be reflected in the actions of your 'simulated'
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body, and you can forget the necessity of any 'mindreading' by the
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controlling computer. You tell the computer what to do by traditiional
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human methods of communication - voice, written word, whatever.
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So now we have our own reality, we can move around in it and
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communicate with the machine generating it. You want to fly? Just ask
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the computer. You want a world with purple skies, populated entirely
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with intelligent llamas? [Jeff probably would... PP] Ask the machine and
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it will be given. (For a pretty good idea of what it could be like, I
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would recommend Moorcock's 'Dancers at the End of Time' books).
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Fine, we're nearly gods - we have our own worlds and we can do
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anything we want within them - but we still lack one characteristic of
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godhood - Immortality. We're still dependent on our 'real' bodies here
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in the 'real' world.
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So - and this is something I have talked about before at
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considerable length - we use neural-net-image transfer to place our
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functioning brainstate within the controlling computer and discard the
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animal shell. Place the whole system in orbit and power it from the Sun,
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and you're as near as dammit immortal.
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Okay, this is getting pretty far-out, but even simple one-channel
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DNI would be pretty amazing, and given that study of the brain yields
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some useful results, I don't see why at least some of these ideas
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shouldn't come to pass. This could be the 'next stage' of human
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evolution - each man a God [anyone remembers Nietsches Uebermensch? PP]
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(And who say that the reality we currently enjoy isn't being fed to
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us all by some computer? I can just imagine the program listing: 10 LET
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e=MC^2)...
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Back to the real world. Me for a fag and a cup of tea and sit in the
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sun by the' stream of a bit. Enjoy your individual realities.
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J M
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File - #
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Cyberpunk
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What does the word mean to you... Is it JUST a literary movement, or is it
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a new net.culture emerging in the technological underground?
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Well, the media thought it was... For a while, Cyberpunk was the hype, the
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latest craze, the newest buzz-word... The media considered it a high-tech
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punk image of a rebel in a new-age society...
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Maybe they were wrong.
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Or maybe, they were closer than people thought...
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Theory 1: Cyberpunk exists, but it's distorted, heavily. Lucky, most people
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who still believe in cyberpunk, have very developed opinions on the subject,
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most of which make sense...
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Square brackets = [ me (bB) ]
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From: mcintyre@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre)
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In article <CtvCo6.4G6@freenet.carleton.ca> you write:
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>Do you think that CyberPunk still exists as a culture??
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Nope. Mainly because the "culture" of CyberPunk has grown around the idea,
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rather than the idea growing from the people. A bunch of people naming
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themselves after a badly-defined literary movement, than not being able to
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define themselves does not a culture (or even a sub-culture) make. The
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hi-tech, lo-life ideals of Cyberpunks are primarily being propogated by
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the middle-classes, holding onto their middle-class ideas, but allured
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by the sleaze of life on the streets.
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Read my own story Monkeytrick to get a further idea of this in action.
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| ( @ ) | "I honestly think you ought to sit down | bullshit is odorless |
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| ~ | calmly, take a stress pill, and think | and transparent" |
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| piglet | things over..." | - William Gibson |
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[ In my opinion, this guy is more or less right. The cyberpunk media blitz ]
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[ created a large amount of cyberpunk wanna-bees. People went looking for a ]
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[ culture they admired because it was underground, high-tech and rebellious. ]
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[ But then again, there are those who say it does exist: ]
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From: Reid@reid.demon.co.uk (Reid John Smith)
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> Do you think that CyberPunk still exists as a culture??
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If people believe they are part of it then it exists.
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Reid
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From: bandit@cruzio.com
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In article <CtvCo6.4G6@freenet.carleton.ca>,
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ae687@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Billy Biggs) writes:
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> Do you think that CyberPunk still exists as a culture??
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Yes.
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I go to Science Fiction conventions all the time, in many places.
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I see folks who both play for the weekend, or are living it all the time
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(rather like the SCA).
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Also, just look at the folks in the VR community.
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There are starting to be a set of suits,
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but many of the original, and a lot of the new folks,
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are nerds who live by the maxim *the street finds its own uses*
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The drugs are a bit more underground, due to the draconian
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and totalitarian laws now in force
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(1 in 6 US federal prisoners are in for pot, most for 10 years or LIFE
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for minor amounts (one guy is in for LIFE for 0.16 grams!!!!)
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- see the August 1994 issue of Atlantic Monthly - part 1 of a 2 part series).
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I know there might be those who would draw a big line between nerds
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and cyberpunk, but it really is just a spectrum.
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... bandit
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bandit systems and embedded engineering
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topdown design associates "Waltzing where mere mortals fear to look"
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bandit@cruzio.com
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(408) 458-9228
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From: ag969@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Mark Hills)
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In a previous article, ae687@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Billy Biggs) says:
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>Do you think that CyberPunk still exists as a culture??
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In a somewhat diluted form, yes. It's watered down unless you
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know where to look for it and I don't mean at cafe wim or Zaphod's either.
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It's all messed up, people who claim that just because they've read a few
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books and buy Mondo 2000 that they are cyberpunk. Horse shit.
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It's all in the mind like ghosts in the shell.
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From: ai474@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Farrell McGovern)
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In a previous article, ae687@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Billy Biggs) says:
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>Do you think that CyberPunk still exists as a culture??
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I would say yes...and there are a number of proofs around. A most
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recent one is the fact that the Vangelis just released the Original
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Soundtrack of Bladerunner, and it is selling like hot cakes! Many of the
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local stores are having a hard time keeping it in stock...I had to pick
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mine up in Montreal! Another good example is WIRED magazine...the most
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successful magazine launch in recent history. It caters to an upscale
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cyberpunk audience. Cyberpunk books still sell well. Movies based upon
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Cyberpunk works are in production...on the SF echoes on Fidonet, it is
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still one of the more popular subjects of debate. The Ottawa Cyberpunk
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Music and Culture echoes are going strong (you can access them on my BBS,
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Solsbury Hill (613) 820-9545). I still get stopped on the street by people
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who remember me from the Cyberpunk Article the Citizen ran over a year
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ago. And the newsgroup, alt.cyberpunk, still generates huge amounts of
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traffic.
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ttyl
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Farrell
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Hail Eris! All Hail Discordia!
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*-> Current Magicknet Moderator <-*
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Sysop Solsbury Hill BBS PODSnet 93:9631/523
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Ask me about PODSnet, Paganism, Eris, Wicca...and I might even answer!
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From: Brian.Baird@phm.embassy.co.uk (Brian Baird)
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On 01 Aug 94 18:28:53 ae687@FreeNet.Carleton.CA wrote...
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AA> Do you think that CyberPunk still exists as a culture??
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Personally, I believe it has mutated into more than cyberpunk, crossing into
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the mainstream yet still being underground, if such a thing is possible.
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Brian.
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| Internet: Brian.Baird@phm.embassy.co.uk
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| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.
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| Embassy NET - Bring Usenet to the masses
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| For Details mail : Info@embassy.co.uk
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From: simond@perception.manawatu.gen.nz (Simon Dawson)
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>Do you think that CyberPunk still exists as a culture??
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Do I think hippies still exist as a culture (after 30 years),
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yes, of course. Same goes for CP.. culture doesn't just die out
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over night.
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Whether it is slowing up.. I think it must be, otherwise the
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media wouldn't be making such hype about it. As an underground
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culture, when it comes above ground, the people that were _really_
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part of it will move off to something else.
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The whole thing with CP was that it was always really different..
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if everyone is going on about it, how can it be different?
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SImon
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SimonD@PERCEPTION.Manawatu.Gen.NZ (Simon Dawson)
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Analyzing the past. Creating the future. Controlling the present
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[ Or it doesn't exist: ]
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From: shoki@world.std.com (Barry Wright)
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In article <CtvCo6.4G6@freenet.carleton.ca> you write:
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>Do you think that CyberPunk still exists as a culture??
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Cyberpunk _never_ existed as a culture, for the simple reason that
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no one who fits into the fictional model of a "cyberpunk" would be
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caught dead hanging with anyone lame enough to visit cyberpunk "clubs"
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or read cyberpunk "zines."
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shoki@world.std.com
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From: stjava@bga.com ("Michael Cote'")
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: Do you think that CyberPunk still exists as a culture??
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I dunno about that...but I'm friggin' tired of all those media bits with
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titles like `Is this a wrong turn on the Information Super Highway', and
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I'm getting tired of Wired (not that I ever read it). Perhaps CyberPunk
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will exist as a `culture' (something I really don't consider it to be in
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the first place) much like Hippies do, in small VW vans.
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I don't really even know why I read the alt.cyberpunk. And now some guys
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saying' my provider is to slow. To slow?!? It's got some pauses here and
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there, but I don't' expect it to be rockit fast. I mean shit, it's got to
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be one of the (if not _the_) biggest dial-ups' in town. Definitely the
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`classic' dial up.
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Saint Java [stjava@bga.com] Miss-Speller At Large...Like It or Lump It
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From: ewfox@Deakin.Edu.Au (Evan William Fox)
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Subject: F()()LS
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Gibson says in Revelation Zine (oz) that (y3eRpUn|< died in 82...
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Take it from the MAN himself.
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Now, some people rag on Cadigan but I picked up her latest F00LS and so
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far I think it's Excellentish. Couldn't work out the first half without
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heaps of re-reading but that's what makes it FUN.
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Poss reading mindplayers would help...
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Now, respect for Bill and all, but Aliens 3 sounds like something I would
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have made up in the playground when I was young. bang bang you're dead
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lets go for high body count Rambo meets Aliens. Sure Aliens ^3 wasn't as
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good as II but it was getting back to the original, suspenseful style of
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alien... which had more style than all of them until the final Guy in a suit
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Must say that Blade Runner is the film that defines my experiences of
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youth, along with Pink Floyd The Wall. Thought Daryl Hannah was hot,
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and Roy Batty ... psychotic!!
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Neuromancer is the thing I remember best about my honeymoon. Says something.
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Now cyberpunk is just nostalgia. Wish i had net access back when it was
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all happening, instead of reading about the Gen Xers discovering it
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posthumously.
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At least I have a convenient definition for the whole teenage experience...
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and it can all be packaged up and sold to me all over again.
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"Back when I was a lad the only virtual reality we had was powerbooks..."
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Later, chodies.
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Malibu Nelson.
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From: lartigue@prairienet.org (Dave A. Lartigue)
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In a previous article, ae687@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Billy Biggs) says:
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>Do you think that CyberPunk still exists as a culture??
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I get it! It's a trick question! We're supposed to say whether it STILL
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exists as a culture, when in reality it never did!
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That's pretty clever!
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Dave
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Dave A. Lartigue, Cog in the Great Machine || Flames Cheerfully Ignored!
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From: rysmith@garnet.msen.com (R Y Smith Jr)
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In article <CtvCo6.4G6@freenet.carleton.ca> you wrote:
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: Do you think that CyberPunk still exists as a culture??
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Did it ever? I guess it depends on how you determine what is a culture
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and what is a fad. Many of us that think along similar lines do not
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want to be classified as anything different than the norm, because
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then we stand out more. We are still working towards the future
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with the same beliefs and worldview we had before the fad was given
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the name cyberpunk.
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--fixer
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[ ]
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[ Or even both yes and no: ]
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[ ]
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From: ae773@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Steve Roby)
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>Do you think that CyberPunk still exists as a culture??
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No. I don't think cyberpunk exists *yet* as a culture. Unless you
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equate the kind of stuff Case does in Neuromancer with someone
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listening to Ministry while ftp'ing the latest issue of Phrack.
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If you're asking, is there still a subculture that manifests itself
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in an interest in hacking, industrial or metal or techno music, and
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a certain type of SF novel, announce a William Gibson signing and
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you'll have your answer: yes.
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If you're asking, is there a subculture of people who specialize in
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finding and distributing electronic information through illegal
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means for corporate customers, acting as high-tech equivalents of
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bank robbers or private eyes and wallowing in a high tech lowlife
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of neural implants etc, then the answer would be no. Not yet.
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IOW, without a single widely shared definition of cyberpunk, your
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question can't be easily answered.
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Steve
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Steve Roby ae773@freenet.carleton.ca sjroby@netcom.com CIS 76217,1455
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"Standing here like a loaded gun waiting to go off
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I've got nothing to do but shoot my mouth off"
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-- Black Flag describes the Usenet experience
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[ And that really sums it up. Without an accepted definition of cyberpunk, ]
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[ it's not going anywhere. It's just a constant argument that continues. ]
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**** FLASHBACK ****
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[ If anyone remembers, there were alot of times when people just said "to ]
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[ hell with this, cyberpunk isn't going anywhere because we can't define it. ]
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[ I'm going to make my own movement." ]
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[ I decided to add this in because it has something to do with the previous ]
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[ subject... ]
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From: maysa@perot.mtsu.edu (Pythagoras)
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Subject: Cyberpunk is D-E-A-D
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Date: Tue Dec 28 18:11:21 1993
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I don't know when or why or how the Cyberpunk subculture became a
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private club that allowed only the right kinda people in..<those
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who wear the right kinda clothes, owned the right kinda music, and
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looked and spoke the right kinda way>. I have seen here on this news net
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great discussion of who IS and who ISN'T cyberpunk. ==> WHY? <==
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I do not know...or care. Abraham Lincoln said that "A house divided
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cannot stand." Well... that was then, and this is now.
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Screw "CyberPunk" the term is outdated and it's time it died.
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"Cyberpunk" has become the "IN" word for wanna bees and look alikes who
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claim a stake in CyberSpace. Forget that game!
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I played that song in HighSchool with the Preppies. Today Polo shirts,
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Polo cologne and duckhead pants have been replaced with leather jackets,
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all black outfits, cigarettes and microwave dinners. Some of you people
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are trying to HARD to be "punk" and are being quite successful. The
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standards of "Cyberpunks" have been lowered to far. To think that you
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could sit there behind your terminals arguing that Christians cannot be
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Cyberpunk. GET A CLUE FOLKS!
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There are bigger things then this going on in the world.
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Governments are tottering on collapse. People are dying in the streets
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of YOUR hometown. Did you hear about the guy in Texas that went into the
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shopping mall with a gun and opened fire?? DOESN'T THAT MAKE YOU PEOPLE
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WONDER WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH THE WORLD??
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But the questions here will be..was he a Catholic? a Black? a
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Whitey? a Pagan? DOES IT MATTER?? NO! He was nuts... that's all that
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counts.
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So like I said.... SCREW "Cyberpunk". I'm branching off on my own
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path and I don't care WHO follows..or what religion they are.
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CALL ME A TECHNOCRAT. I believe in the freedom of information.
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I believe in the power of the human spirit and of the human mind. I
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believe that through technology ALL people can and will learn more about
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themselves.... I believe that everyone has the right to live the way they
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wanna...so long as they don't infringe on the rights of others. and I
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believe that every person here has the capability to go into that local
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mall with a shot gun and pull that trigger......YES, that scares me; AND
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AT THE SAME TIME IT TURNS ME ON.
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This is not about what kind of clothes you wear..or what
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kind of music you listen to. This is about the future....and how we as
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HOMO SAPIENS are going to survive when there is so much working against
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us.
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Take a look at society. Take a look at yourself. Take a look
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at what it is you really believe. Then declare yourself free of this
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societal game the "Cyberpunks" are playing. You're above that. You're
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a person...an individual..not some cast iron soldier that just fell out
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of some mold.
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You're an individual with ideas, beliefs, needs and wants,
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feelings and emotions. That makes you special. THAT makes you a TechnoCrat.
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*************************
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"Is man no more than this?" 'King Lear' W. Shakespeare 3.4.101-102
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maysa@knuth.mtsu.edu
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From: 68954@brahms.udel.edu (Bruce Arthu Bendler)
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Subject: Re: Cyberpunk is D-E-A-D
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Date: Tue Dec 28 22:31:25 1993
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Somebody who caught a grain of truth wrote.....))))
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> I don't know when or why or how the Cyberpunk subculture became a
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>[cut]
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>cannot stand." Well... that was then, and this is now.
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It's not a private club, and I really doubt it's a valid culture
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worth time investment from any intelligent person. I used to think I
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was a Cpunk, that is until I took the time to realize it limited me, and
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that it was nothing more than a label, I am me now, and I think that people
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in power should be MUCH MUCH more afraid of my views now, than of any Cpunk
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who struggles to maintain the label...
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> Screw "CyberPunk" the term is outdated and it's time it died.
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>[cut]
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>Cyberpunk. GET A CLUE FOLKS!
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Well I found my clue.. I still like to hack upon the realities of
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both sides, the mighty mighty Xtians, and the k-rad and kool Cpunks. Nothing
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should be sacred not even GAWD or Cpunk......
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> There are bigger things than this going on in the world.
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>[cut]
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>AT THE SAME TIME IT TURNS ME ON.
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Exactly, but TechnoCrat has been predicted in WiReD magazine so it's
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not original, as a matter of fact it was used to describe EXACTLY what
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cyberpunk is becoming, a watered down, leather jackets and e-mail fad.
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I believe that through technology the mind will finally be able to reach its
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potential, and that at that point the human spirit will be free to do as it
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should, and not be limited by the world around it.
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> This is not about what kind of clothes you wear..or what
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>[cut]
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> You're an individual with ideas, beliefs, needs and wants,
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>feelings and emotions. That makes you special. THAT makes you a TechnoCrat.
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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't do that, PLEASE don't tell people what makes
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them a TechnoCrat, it just makes you another Jesus, telling people to wake up
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and then making another bed for them to lie in. Don't give them anything to
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cling to, not even the WORD TechnoCrat, it will cripple them. Hacking one
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culture and then laying the foundation for another to follow the exact same
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path is not the way you should go.
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From: djeopm@telerama.lm.com (Sourcerer)
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Subject: Re: Cyberpunk is D-E-A-D
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Date: Tue Dec 28 23:21:00 1993
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Bruce Arthu Bendler (68954@brahms.udel.edu) wrote:
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: Somebody who caught a grain of truth wrote.....))))
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Pythagoras, I think.
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: > You're an individual with ideas, beliefs, needs and wants,
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: >feelings and emotions. That makes you special. THAT makes you a TechnoCrat.
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:
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: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE dot do that, PLEASE don't tell people what makes
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: them a TechnoCrat, it just makes you another Jesus, telling people to wake up
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: and then making another bed for them to lie in.
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Sigh. Before going any further with this thread, would both you guys
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please look up Technocracy, Inc. in the library. I would be interested to
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see where this thread goes after that effort.
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To quote a book I once read, but which title has unaccountably slipped my
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mind: "There is nothing new under the sun".
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Bruce, don't go apeshit, okay?
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--
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(}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}})__
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({{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ At the back of the blue bus{{} /(**)\
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({djeopm@telerama.LM.com{{{{{{{Sourcerer{{{{{{{{{{) \../
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(}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}) ||
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From: jfusion@rgm.com (Johnny Fusion)
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Subject: Cyberpunk is D-E-A-D
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Date: Wed Dec 29 02:11:57 1993
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> I don't know when or why or how the Cyberpunk subculture became a
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> private club that allowed only the right kinda people in..<those
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> who wear the right kinda clothes, owned the right kinda music, and
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> looked and spoke the right kinda way>. I have seen here on this
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> news net great discussion of who IS and who ISN'T cyberpunk. ==>
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> WHY? <==
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Here, here. Though I must admit the cyberpunk aesthetic does appeal to me,
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the elitism i have seen here does not. Don't label me cyberpunk, i don't
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want to be grouped in w/ those who delude themselves into being hot-stuff.
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Cyberpunks have given hackers a bad name. When people like Billy Idol can
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learn to type "dir" or "ls" or double click, <all w/ 1 finger no less> and call
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themselves 'Cyberpunks' or even 'hackers' then something is wrong w/ your
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definition.
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Cyberpunk has come full circle, it started out as *FICTION* with the works
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of Gibson, or perhaps even Brunner, later turned into reality, (virtual or
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otherwise) and has now become what it once wuz: FICTION.
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Don't call me a TechnoCrat, don't call me a CyberPunk, Just call me
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"Johnny Fusion" for that is who i am. (its ok to call me a hacker if you
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insist)
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Johnny Fusion
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=11811=
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jfusion@rgm.com
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From: maysa@perot.mtsu.edu (Pythagoras)
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Subject: >>cyberpunk is D-E-A-D
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Date: Wed Dec 29 02:05:27 1993
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in alt.cyberpunk 68954@brahms.udel.edu (Bruce Arthu Bendler) replies:
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" It's not a private club, and I really doubt it's a valid culture
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worth time investment from any intelligent person. I used to think I
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was a Cpunk, that is until I took the time to realize it limited me, and
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that it was nothing more than a label."
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Nothing in life, sir, is more than a label. People gives names
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to all things. -Some names nicer then others.
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"I think that people in power should be MUCH MUCH more afraid of my views
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now, than of any Cpunk who struggles to maintain the label..."
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This is EXACTLY my point. And a coalition of INDIVIDUALS would be
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even scarier no??
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" Well I found my clue.. I still like to hack upon the realities of
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both sides, the mighty mighty Xtians, and the k-rad and kool Cpunks. Nothing
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should be sacred not even GAWD or Cpunk......"
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Only through observing and questioning the obvious can we arrive
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at the bare minimum of TRUTH that lies within.
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"Exactly, but TechnoCrat has been predicted in WiReD magazine so it's not
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original, as a matter of fact it was used to describe EXACLTY what
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cyberpunk is becoming, a watered down, leather jackets and e-mail fad.
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I believe that through technology the mind will finally be able to reach its
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potential, and that at that point the human spirit will be free to do as it
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should, and not be limited by the world around it."
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As I only own two issues of Wired.. neither of which I have
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bothered to read... I was unaware that "TechnoCrat" was a term someone
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had already coined and used for the exact opposite of what I believe in.
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IT'S JUST A TITLE. after all...a rose by any other name would smell just
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as sweet.
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"PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't do that, PLEASE don't tell people what makes
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them a TechnoCrat, it just makes you another Jesus, telling people to
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wake up and then making another bed for them to lie in."
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I'm no Jesus. Just another plain Joe Sixpack out here in
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CyberSpace...speaking his mind. and I was telling people what makes ME a
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TechnoCrat. No two people I have ever met fit into EXACTLY the same
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mold. I don't expect to be able to sit here and dictate who fits into
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what category and why <remember..that was done already by the
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cyberpunks.?>
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"Hacking one culture and then laying the foundation for another to follow
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the exact same path is not the way you should go."
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As Robert Frost so aptly put it... "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -
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I took the one less traveled by,
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And that has made all the difference."
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I did not pave this path I tread. I simply walk upon it...so that others
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soon may follow.
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-maysa@knuth.mtsu.edu
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From: maysa@perot.mtsu.edu (Pythagoras)
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Subject: "nothing new under the sun"
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Date: Wed Dec 29 13:17:03 1993
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in alt.cyberpunk the Sorcerer wrote:
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"Sigh. Before going any further with this thread, would both you guys
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please look up Technocracy, Inc. in the library. I would be interested to
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see where this thread goes after that effort."
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I see that my choice of titles was perhaps a bit preliminary.
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But sir..titles are just titles. Look around. What do you see that has
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no title? And now>> who gave it that title?? HOMO SAPIENS sir... human
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beings are at the root of every title, name or classification that one
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can find anywhere. So "TechnoCrat" was used in WiReD Magazine...or in
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this book "Technocracy, Inc." OH WELL. The point is that my beliefs
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will remain the same no matter WHAT TITLE I CHOOSE. Be I a "cyberpunk"
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or a "TechnoCrat" or even a "FyberStront".... the name does not
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matter.... I think perhaps that we all need to look beyond the surface of
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things; maybe then we can understand what things REALLY mean.
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A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet-
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Pythagoras-
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masya@knuth.mtsu.edu
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From: ah895@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Erik Haines)
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Subject: Re: >>cyberpunk is D-E-A-D
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Date: Wed Dec 29 15:51:33 1993
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Let's face the music, folks, cyberpunk was first a science fiction genre
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and then a style, a pose to adapt while wearing the right
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clothes/accessories. And this fellow had the courage to say "screw
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this" (for which I say, let's strike a medal) but then created (with
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the best of intentions I'm sure) another label to be popularized,
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commercialized, etc, etc. Let's drop all the fucking labels, abandon the
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quest to be hipper-than-thou, disband this newsgroup, and go do something
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worthwhile (I leave the definition of "worthwhile" to you, you individuals
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and free-thinkers out there)
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Don't get me wrong, I love my Gibson and Sterling too, but come on,
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folks... this whole thing has degenerated beyond redemption.
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--
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\00/
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--00-- Erik Haines
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/00\ ah895@freenet.carleton.ca
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gcs d- -p+ c++ l u e+ m- s--/+ n--- h-- f+ g+++ w++ t+ r+ y?
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[ The whole Technocrat stuff really summed up the dilema. Cyberpunk is more ]
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[ like a discussion then a culture. At least, the cyberpunk they're talking ]
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[ about is... Without a definition of cyberpunk to go by, nobody is right ]
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[ or wrong. ]
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[ ]
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[ So what is the answer? ]
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[ Cyberpunk exists in the minds of those hackers, cypherpunks, phreakers and ]
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[ computer nerds who are different from everybody else. Those who are more ]
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[ 'punk' than the others... These individuals make up what is known as ]
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[ Cyberpunk, and most of them don't know it. The ethics behind the movement ]
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[ are not well defined, simply because no one has bothered to define them. ]
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[ "Information wants to be free" is one of them, but it's meaning is ]
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[ sometimes lost in the hype. ]
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[ --bB ]
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[ Opinions? Send all to: ae687@freenet.carleton.ca ]
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----------------------L - i - N - E ----- N - o - i - Z ----------------------
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File - $
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... n i b b l e s of information /by Billy Biggs
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|---- Old news . . .
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Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 16:55:32 -1000
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Subject: ALERT - Internet Virus
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Date: Wednesday, May 25, 1994 7:31:08 EDT
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A Virus has been discovered on Internet that is disguised as
|
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CD-ROM shareware.
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Unknown hackers have illegally put the Chinon name on a destructive
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shareware file and released it on the Internet. This catastrophic
|
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virus is named "CD-IT". -- DO NOT DOWNLOAD. IT WILL CORRUPT YOUR
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HARD DRIVE. The program, allegedly a shareware PC utility that
|
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will convert an ordinary CD-ROM drive into a CD-Recordable (CD-R)
|
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device, which is technically impossible, instead destroys critical
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system files on a user's hard drive. The program also immediately
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crashes the CPU, forces the user to reboot and stays in memory.
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Widest dissemination is requested.
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Frank Potter
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|---- More Old News . . .
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Subject: Ontario Government Computers: Prudes Veto Vulgarity in Cyberspace
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This message is being posted anonymously, on behalf of
|
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a Canadian reporter, somewhere in the vicinity of Toronto.
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Ontario Government Computers: Prudes Veto Vulgarity in Cyberspace
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by Steven Cooper
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Environmental dudes can now jack-in to a new electronic database, but beware.
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These Ontario government computers know if you're been naughty or nice!
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And they know where you live ...
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As part of Ontario's Environmental Bill of Rights,
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citizens can now access environmental policies and other info in cyberspace.
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Just point your modem at (416) 327-3000 (or 1-800-667-9979 outside Toronto).
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If you're on Internet, telnet to 192.75.156.92 ... But mind your language!
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When you first connect, the interface seems pleasant enough:
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Welcome, newcomer! You have logged on to the
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Government of Ontario Information System.
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Before going into that, though, let's get acquainted.
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If you'll tell us a little bit about yourself, we'll create
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an account for you.
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It seems rather nosy, asking you for personal information like:
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address, phone number, place of work, etc., but what the heck.
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Then it asks for a "password" --- just a little digital secret between you
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and this box of circuits in some government basement.
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The computer warns that if you forget the password you'll be "up the creek"
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-- so make sure it's memorable.
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Faced with this predicament, I paused, pondering potential passwords,
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while my pet pussy purred peacefully in my lap.
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Hmmm, how about "pussy" -- that should be easy to remember.
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Suddenly the government computer turns nasty on me!
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Come on now, there's no need to be vulgar about it.
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Please enter a more wholesome password.
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Huh? After an awestruck moment, I laughed out loud.
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Then, after a few more moments, it hit me like a ton of bricks.
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The Ontario government has developed an official database it consults to
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determine which words are "vulgar" and which words are "wholesome",
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and this database is built into this government computer's software.
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Ann Landers step aside! The Ontario Government has codified what
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is proper etiquette on the information highway.
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With the aid of a computer hacker, whose identity cannot be revealed,
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this reporter has obtained "access" to the government's computer (a 486/66 PC)
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and its official "nasty words" list.
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In the electronic world of 0's and 1's, this computer classifies
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all words as either Vulgar or Wholesome -- there is no middle ground.
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My hacker companion assured me that the same cybernetic censor
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that vetoes vulgarity in private passwords could easily be applied
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to the bits and bytes of private electronic correspondence
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whizzing through the links in Ontario government networks
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to automatically ensure politeness in digital discourse.
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Ontario Government Quick Reference Table
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vulgar wholesome
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pussy kitten
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fellatio blowjob
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cunnilingus muffdiving
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whore hooker
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hardon flaccid
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orgasm, ejaculate masterbate, blueballs
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penis cock
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cunt vagina
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foreskin circumcision
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shit, defecate poop
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piss, urinate tinkle
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scrotum testicle pouch
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nipple tit, breast, boobs
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asshole anus
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fuck copulate
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clitoris, vulva labia, lips
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uterus womb
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whore hooker
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faggot nigger
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The Ontario government has some quirky ideas about proper language.
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For example, did you know that in polite company, computer hackers
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are advised not to use fellatio or whore, but rather to use the more wholesome
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terms blowjob and hooker. Apparently the government thinks
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getting a hardon while surfing the net is a no-no. Be cool, be flaccid.
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Still, I think the experts are a but confused. It is okay to masturbate
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while on-line, as long as you don't have an orgasm or ejaculate.
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I checked, yup, blue balls are wholesome.
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For some reason, there is still not equality of the sexes.
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According to the government's language experts,
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vaginas are more wholesome than penises.
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On the other hand, cocks are in, cunts are out.
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... and no foreskins allowed. Circumcisions - yes. Ouch!
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Some of it just seems childish. We can poop and tinkle
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in CyberSpace. But shit or piss ? No can do.
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Even my doctor would be considered rude. He couldn't use
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defecate or urinate. Even scrotum needs to be replaced by the more
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wholesome "testicle pouch".
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One really gets the impression the government's nerdish programmer's
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are more familiar with barbie-doll boobs than real breasts.
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Tits are fine, as long as they don't have nipples.
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Although the Ontario government and its computers seem
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mostly obsessed with words, even clinical terms, having to do with
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sex or genitalia, there are some recent additions.
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Perhaps because of the new same-sex marriage laws in Ontario,
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the term "faggot" is now considered vulgar.
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Unfortunately, "nigger" is still on the wholesome list.
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If you have any questions about the new environmental computer that
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acts like a self-appointed expert on computer etiquette,
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just call Michael Seto at (416) 323-5190.
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He helped install the new government information system.
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Maybe he'll know why beavers are more wholesome than pussies,
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according to this Ontario government computer.
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What follows are instructions on how to reply to this anonymous e-mail message.
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Columbia shipment of
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El Salvador Larry Wall
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For more information about this anonymous posting service, please send mail
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to remailer@soda.berkeley.edu with Subject: remailer-info.
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To respond to the sender of this message, send mail to
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remailer@soda.berkeley.edu, starting your message with
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the following 8 lines:
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::
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Response-Key: idea clipper
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MI@```%9S^P;+]AB?X9TW6\8WR:ZP&2'_NHT"2XZ8:-;C6U2:\E]LDE"G\NLG
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M;"3/5G=_SUC-7*D)"<[Z/L/K4V:SH1OP@O('OP2NE_L.\CDMU4F?1%:+RTG-
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|---- Lists...
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A list of illegal FTP/FSP was posted to alt.2600
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Please ask me for further information...
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|---- For Your Building Pleasure...
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From: kurtw95064@aol.com (KurtW95064)
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Subject: JAMMER plans
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Hi all:
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Well, here it is. I finally got around to creating an e-mail compatible
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schematic for the X-band RADAR jammer that I've talked with some of you
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about. Sorry about the delay, but it wasn't easy getting this thing
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drawn-especially without the benefit of a scanner. I had originally
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planned to charge $5.00 for the plans, (I should have since I spent about
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5 hours getting the schematic into the computer) but I decided not to
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charge members of my "electronic neighborhood." (Ain't that sweet??!)
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HOWEVER, if anyone is feeling TERRIBLY GUILTY about all the WORK I put
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into this thing, feel free to send in your $5.00 "registration" fee.
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(heh,heh,heh, yeah right Kurt. Find Vanna you need to buy a clue!)
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This is a UUencoded zip file. So you have to UUdecode it, then unzip it
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with PKunzip 2.04. The file name is Jammer.pcx after you unzip it.
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Hopefully everyone has something they can view a PCX file with.
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The most difficult part to find is the GUNN diode. I used to have a few
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of them, but they were all sold. You should be able to find one for
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around $35.00 to $50.00. Most of the other parts are junk box or Rat
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Shack items. One exception is the NTE291 transistor. Any electronic parts
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house should have one. You should put some sort of a heat sink on the
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transistor BTW.
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Have fun. Remember, even if you don't jam any RADAR, it's still great fun
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to set off those truckers RADAR detectors! ; )
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Kurt
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N0BGS/1
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Subject: jammer.zip (1/1)
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|---- On the internet:
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B12's Email address is B12@btwelve.demon.co.uk
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black dog (ken downie specifically) can be reached at:
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ken@babel.dogsquad.com
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Taylor 808 (Human Mesh Dance, Prototype 909) is t808@mindvox.phantom.com
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|---- @ WiReD
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
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"Unfortunately, because we are defendants in this lawsuit, beyond our own
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press release, which is attached, we are not at liberty to reply to all the
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charges and allegations in the American Buddhist posting about Christine
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Comaford's suit.
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Suffice it to say that we believe the original Lenz article was extremely
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well researched, and that we intend to vigorously protect our First
|
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Amendment rights against the assault by a cult which has been the subject
|
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of intensive media scrutiny. The only people trying to limit First
|
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Amendment rights in this case are the Lenz cult itself, which is trying to
|
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use the power of the courts to intimidate the press." - Louis Rossetto,
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Editor and Publisher, WIRED.
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WIRED Appalled at Accusations of Libel
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**************************************
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Intends to vigorously defend itself in Comaford case.
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SAN FRANCISCO -- June 14, 1994 -- Award-winning WIRED magazine announced
|
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today its intentions to vigorously fight recent charges of libel by a
|
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computer consulting firm.
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In the January 1994 issue, WIRED carried a story on the activities of Dr.
|
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Frederick P. Lenz III, an alleged cult leader whose activities are coming
|
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under increasing media scrutiny. Included in the article was a mention of
|
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Christine Comaford of Chicago-based Corporate Computing Inc. An associate
|
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of Mr. Lenz, Ms. Comaford has filed suit in Chicago claiming libel.
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"WIRED believes this lawsuit is without merit," said Editor and Publisher
|
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Louis Rossetto. "We intend to fight it vigorously."
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WIRED Managing Editor John Battelle added, "The Lenz article is in the best
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tradition of the First Amendment, in that it discusses an issue of real
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public concern. Lenz and his followers have invited public and media
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scrutiny, and we reported and commented on an issue of interest to our
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readers."
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WIRED, the journal of the Digital Revolution, is winner of the 1994
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National Magazine Award for General Excellence, the highest honor in
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magazine journalism, presented by the American Society of Magazine Editors.
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Taara Eden Hoffman - Director of Publicity
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+1 (415) 904 0666
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taara@wired.com
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544 Second Street
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San Francisco, CA 94107 USA
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|---- !!! Amiga scene !!!
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From: so!ggiles@efn.org (Gregg Giles)
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Subject: OFFICIAL: Commodore International Liquidates
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Date: Sat Apr 30 16:01:32 1994
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This is NOT a hoax - anybody that's familiar with my reputation knows I'm
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not in the joking business when it comes to the business end of the industry.
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This article appeared in today's local paper here in Eugene, Oregon...
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-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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--- begin ---
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Eugene Register-Guard, Saturday, April 30, 1994, "Business" section, Page 5B
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"COMPUTER FIRM SHUTTING DOWN"
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Commodore International: The personal computer pioneer plans to liquidate
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its assets.
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By Dinah Wisenberg Brin
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The Associated Press
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WEST CHESTER, Pa. - Commodore International Ltd., a pioneer in the
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personal computer industry, said late Friday it is going out of business.
|
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The company plans to transfer its assets to unidentified trustees "for
|
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the benefit of its creditors" and has placed its major subsidiary, Commodore
|
|
Electronics Ltd., into voluntary liquidation.
|
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"This is the initial phase of an orderly voluntary liquidation of both
|
|
companies," Commodore said in a brief statement.
|
|
Company executives could not immediately be reached Friday evening.
|
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The company last month reported an $8.2 million loss for the quarter
|
|
ending Dec. 31 on sales on $70.1 million. A year earlier, Commodore lost
|
|
$77.2 million on sales of $237.7 million in the same period.
|
|
In the latest report, Commodore said its financial limits had thwarted its
|
|
ability to supply products, leading to weakened sales. One of its new
|
|
products, the Amiga CD32 video game, had sold poorly in Europe, where the
|
|
company did most of its business.
|
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The company's net worth turned negative in the fiscal year ended last
|
|
June 30.
|
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Its stock, which had traded at around $3 per share before the quarterly
|
|
results were announced last month, closed unchanged at 87.5 cents oer share
|
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on the New York Stock Exchange Friday.
|
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"This is a company that briefly captured the attention of the American
|
|
market and didn't know where the market was going," said David Coursey,
|
|
editor of the newsletter P.C. Letter in San Mateo, Calif. "They just never
|
|
managed to change with the marketplace."
|
|
While grabbing some market share and attention in the late 1970s,
|
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Commodore's products were something between PCs and game machines, "and
|
|
never quite became either," Coursey said.
|
|
Commodore started 40 years ago as a typewriter repair company in the
|
|
Bronx. Its extension to the adding machine business paved the way for it
|
|
to make calculators and then personal computers in the mid-1970s.
|
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Commodore competed with Radio Shack for the first computers sold to
|
|
homes and co-founded Jack Tramiel became a highly regarded figure in the
|
|
fledgling PC industry.
|
|
By the early 1980s, it was overshadowed in the PC business by Apple
|
|
Computer Inc. and IBM. Software manufacturers didn't create as much
|
|
software for Commodore's Amiga line as it did for Apple and IBM-compatible
|
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machines.
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In recent years, most of Commodore's business was in Europe.
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--- end ---
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It's over. Next...
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--
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------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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"I don't have a problem! That's my problem! You're too cool, dad! And that
|
|
makes me sick! Forget it... I'm outta heeeeeeere..." - Doug, from "THE STATE"
|
|
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: Mark@heritage.demon.co.uk (Mark O'Neill)
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Subject: Re: OFFICIAL: Commodore International Liquidates
|
|
Date: Tue May 3 12:09:22 1994
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|
Yup, there is an article in today's (Tuesday's) Irish Times to the same effect.
|
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"After Wall Street closed its doors on Friday night, Commodore put its US
|
|
operations into voluntary liquidation. It had already announced losses of $356
|
|
million for the 1993 financial year, yet despite substantially slashing its
|
|
operating costs the cash continued to seep away."
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|
The article continues for half a page. There should be more info on the
|
|
comp.amiga.* newsgroups.
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|
|
--
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Mark
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|
|
[ Okay okay, so are friends went under... The big questions are now being ]
|
|
[ answered as far as what happens to the computer we all know and love, the ]
|
|
[ Amiga... Well, here's the latest... ]
|
|
|
|
From: larryp@netcom.com (N E U R O S)
|
|
Subject: Amiga's Upcoming Advanced Architecture.
|
|
Date: Fri Aug 5 11:19:06 1994
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|
|
Ok..I've seen enough about how good PC & MACS are...Take a look at this
|
|
information regarding the AAA Chipset (Amiga Advanced Architecture),
|
|
and be ready to once again be set back by the power of Amiga.
|
|
Of course, most know that Commodore went out of business, but too
|
|
little know that Amiga really was separate from Commodore anyway...
|
|
Several companies at the moment are in the courts, bidding on who will
|
|
take over Amiga's Licensing, and continue to develop the Amiga..
|
|
Just before Commodore decided to call it quits, the engineers had
|
|
already come to the completion of the A5000. Below are the specs.
|
|
on the AAA Chipset, minus the CPU specs. The CPU at the time was
|
|
being debated upon. It will indeed be a RISC processor, but one
|
|
will be needed to handle the workload of the AAA Chipset...So far
|
|
I believe the PowerPC chip was being considered...Anyhow here's
|
|
what's been released......
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|
|
|
|
An Overview of the
|
|
Advanced Amiga Architecture
|
|
and Other Future Directions
|
|
Document Revision 1.0
|
|
1993 Developers Conference Release
|
|
by Dave Haynie
|
|
Advanced Amiga Systems Group
|
|
Copyright (C) 1993 Commodore International Services Corp,
|
|
Technology Group
|
|
All Rights Reserved
|
|
|
|
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
|
|
o 4 x Chips VSLI, high speed CMOS
|
|
o AAA chip set was gleaned, adapted from AGA chip set
|
|
thanks go to Jim Redfield, Ed Hepler.
|
|
o AAA is largely compatible with ECS
|
|
o AA registers are not supported in AAA
|
|
o ECS compatibility is to be eliminated
|
|
o CPU bus can master the entire chip bus for more efficient CPU to
|
|
CHIP bus access
|
|
|
|
MEMORY BAND WIDTH
|
|
-----------------
|
|
AAA chips run a 4 cycle burst to Chip RAM, i.e. 4.56 x ECS or
|
|
1.14 times AGA's two-cycle burst
|
|
Bursts of up to 512 words can be run to keep up with hi-res
|
|
displays.
|
|
|
|
CPU BANDWIDTH
|
|
-------------
|
|
CPU access to Chip RAM is improved.
|
|
AAA chips manage an asynchronous interface to the CPU.
|
|
CPU with some extra support logic can completely master the
|
|
AAA chip RAM bus, allowing Chip RAM access as fast
|
|
as today's 32-bit Fast RAM.
|
|
|
|
CPU BUS DMA
|
|
-----------
|
|
AAA chip bus DMA activity is dynamically managed.
|
|
40 DMA channels, with dynamic allocation between BLITTER -> CPU
|
|
|
|
BLITTER
|
|
-------
|
|
AAA blitter is much faster
|
|
It scrolls 640x200x2 6 times the speed, 640x200x4 9 times faster
|
|
than the old blitter.
|
|
It has a 32-bitmode which operates in pixel addressing and can
|
|
handle the chunky modes as well (2,4,8,16 bits)
|
|
Line draw has auto-clipping.
|
|
Blitter has arithmetic function now like "sort" and "tally" at
|
|
any pixel depth,
|
|
addition, average, subtracting, saturated subtractions, etc
|
|
blitter speeds;
|
|
DRAM single
|
|
2 planes @ 640x200 = 489.06 frames/sec
|
|
16 planes @ 640x200 = 41.61 frames/sec
|
|
2 planes @ 800x560 = 124.54 frames/sec
|
|
8 planes @ 800x560 = 14.96 frames/sec
|
|
VRAM single
|
|
2 planes @ 640x200 = 504.23 frames/sec
|
|
16 planes @ 640x200 = 56.78 frames/sec
|
|
2 planes @ 800x560 = 124.54 frames/sec
|
|
8 planes @ 800x560 = 14.96 frames/sec
|
|
|
|
COPPER
|
|
------
|
|
Copper handles 32-bit operations
|
|
Supports move-multiple
|
|
Copper has interrupt capability, let it receive ints from blitter
|
|
|
|
GRAPHICS
|
|
--------
|
|
single Chipset system:
|
|
DRAM system: 800x560x9 planes
|
|
VRAM system: 800x560x13 planes or 800x560x24 using "hybrid pixels"
|
|
dual chipset system:
|
|
DRAM system: 1280x1024x5 planes
|
|
VRAM system: 1280x1024x8 planes or 1024x768x24 using "hybrid pixels"
|
|
sprites are now 128 pixels wide.
|
|
16 planes supported, 8-bit playfields
|
|
AAA pixel clock is no longer ties to the AAA bus clock
|
|
pixel clocks can be scaled
|
|
|
|
NEW MODES:
|
|
HAM10
|
|
HALF-CHUNKY - 2, 4 or 8 bit dephs
|
|
CHUNKY - 16 bits (5bit guns) no palette
|
|
HYBRID - 24 bits, separate chunky planes
|
|
PACKLUT - 2 bits per pixel decompress to 8-bit half
|
|
chunky
|
|
in 4x4 pixel regions, each region has colors,
|
|
8-bit values indexed thru CLUT and 16 pixels
|
|
PACKHY - 4 bits per pixel decompress to 24-bit direct
|
|
pixels
|
|
in 4x4 pixel regions, each region has colors
|
|
24-bit direct values and sixteen pixels
|
|
|
|
VIDEO CAPTURE
|
|
-------------
|
|
AAA pixel bus is reversed, (ONLY ON VRAM), capture to chunky mode.
|
|
|
|
SOUND
|
|
-----
|
|
64khz with 16-bit resolution
|
|
8 channels, both sides i.e. 1 channel on both sides with diff volume
|
|
8-bit audio sampling is also supported
|
|
|
|
FLOPPY DISKS
|
|
------------
|
|
2 or 4 megs per disks direct, no tricks to it!!
|
|
built in decoding hardware MFM, (RLL2,7), Biphase Mark
|
|
(CD-ROM)
|
|
xfer in track, sector and CD-MODE and a high speed track mode
|
|
xfer rate is 20x faster 11.4 Mbit/sec from 0.5 Mbit/sec though
|
|
DMA peek is 9.9Mbit/sec
|
|
hardware can decode IBM format as well
|
|
Mac format supported as well with software
|
|
|
|
UART
|
|
----
|
|
2 UARTS are supported, 4-byte FIFO
|
|
|
|
AAA chips descriptions
|
|
----------------------
|
|
1. Andrea - chip bus controller
|
|
o chip ram control
|
|
o "high-priority" bus request allows external device
|
|
to master the chip ram bus rather than Andrea
|
|
o CPU bus gating
|
|
o manages clocking of both CHIP and video display
|
|
8 possible pixel clock values at any time
|
|
o video timing hsync,vsync etc..
|
|
o blitter, pixel addressing / arithmetic modes
|
|
|
|
2. Monica - new display controller.
|
|
o It takes in display timing data generated by Andrea
|
|
and graphics data fetched by Linda and from that generates
|
|
25-bit digital and analog RGBoutput (24bit color,1bit genlock
|
|
o HAM mode logic, sprites, colors regs
|
|
|
|
3. Mary - controls various types of I/O
|
|
|
|
DISK CONTROLLER
|
|
o raw bit width = 88-9000ns
|
|
o max raw bit rate = 11.4 Mbit/sec
|
|
o hardware encoding = raw GCR MFM RLL(2,7) BiPhase-Mark
|
|
o sync = 32, 17, 8-bit
|
|
o xfer modes = track sector cd-digital track-plus
|
|
o hardware CRC (sector/track)
|
|
o async PLL clock
|
|
o input types = pulse, NRZ
|
|
|
|
AUDIO CONTROLLER
|
|
o sample rate = 64khz
|
|
o channels = 8
|
|
o volume = 12bit signed
|
|
o volume aliasing = no
|
|
o sample size = 8/16 bits
|
|
o digital output
|
|
o dynamic range = 16 bits
|
|
o channels left/right = 0-7 on both sides
|
|
o global mono bit
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o period resolution = 280/64ns
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o 8-bit sampler supported using the pot-in lines
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4. Linda - double buffers full display lines.
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o while one complete line of display data is being
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fed to Monica from one of Linda's line buffers, the
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next line is being fetched into Linda's other
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line buffer.
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o PACKLUT,PACKHY modes are decoded here.
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Between them there are, 256 word regs (ECS compatible)
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384 longword address regs (new stuff)
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512 longword address CLUT registers
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Future System Design
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--------------------
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o Processor-independent system bus optimized for chip to chip
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interconnect
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o Motherboard will be a basic design
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o CPU, Amiga CHIPs, and other various elements will be located
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on separate modules (cards)
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AMIGA DSP
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---------
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AT&T DSP3210
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o 32-bit floating pnt arith
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o 32-bit addressing
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o large 8k on-chip cache 0wait
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o 33Mflops of power
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o shared bus with motorola CPU
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o serial IO with DMA 24Mbits/sec
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o barrel shifter
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o mu-law & A-law encoding
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o bit i/o general purpose 8-bit I/O port
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it can emulate
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o V.32 / V.22bis MNP5 / V.29 G3 fax / modem emulation with fallback
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o subband coder
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o G.722 7khz speech coder (1000% better than SAY)
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o DTMF generator/decoder
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o JPEG still/ MPEG encode/decode
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o Call progress detector
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o non integer sample rate converter
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o delta-ceptrum feature extracter
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o text to phones LPC,LPC to speach
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o speech recognizer
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o digit recognizer
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o talker verification
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o 3d gfx library
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o MIDI music syth with EMU proteus soundlibs
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o perceptual image coder
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o perceptual audio coder
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Amiga VCOS software Architecture:
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VCD - applications
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(vc) vcas.library
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dsp3210.device---dsp3210.resource
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(ve) DSPEntry-->DSPEntry-->DSPEntryN
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| | | | | |
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IntProc | IntProc | IntProc |
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IntServer | IntServer| IntServer|
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HardWare HardWare HardWare
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------------------------------------------------------------------------
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ie. now the dsp will do voice recognition, but that is made by AT&T
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with the dsp wares... it will be thrown in, why who cares, if it
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sells more machines !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ps. WB4 & KICK4.0 will kick ass on Windows4.0 Chicago and WinNT
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and will have many aspects of X-Windows etc.... Open Look type stuff
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--
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>Music In Motion<
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o_, o, o_ o
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)-' _ /|' ),` (\ _ ^o
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>\ (_) _ / > ___ >\ __ __>\ __ (_) >\'
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| \ | | | | | | | | (
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| \ | |-- | | |__| | | \
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_ | \_| |___ |__| | \ |__| ___) _ larryp@netcom.com
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(_) \ ______/ (_)
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[ It seems that Amiga is getting the raw end of the deal. I really hope ]
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[ the Amiga lives because I wouldn't mind have the A5000 - co-editor ]
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|---- MU*s....
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The Transformers MUSH is back up: megavolt.cc.vt.edu 4201
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Pern MUSH will be restarting soon....
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|---- Music Review Corner . . .
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From: djkc@blkbox.com (djkc)
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Subject: TEEX 2
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Date: Thu Jun 23 00:32:18 1994
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V/A - TRANCE EUROPE EXPRESS 2 [Volume]
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1. MICROGLOBE Trust 7.38
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2. SPEEDY J The Fun Equations 4.32
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3. PAUL VAN DYK Today 5.35
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4. ANALOGICAL Camillo 6.30
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5. THE IRRESISTIBLE FORCE Lotus Position 7.27
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6. A POSITIVE LIFE Pleidean Communication 6.54
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7. SALT TANK Dreams 7.09
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8. DAVE ANGEL Life's Little Pleasures 7.02
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9. EAT STATIC Element 115 6.44
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10. MEGALON Symbols 7.31
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11. PRESSURE OF SPEECH Aphelion 4.43
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12. SECRET KNOWLEDGE Afterworld 7.42
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13. FFWD Lucky Saddle 6.47
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14. SCANNER Safety 6.57
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15. NEW LONDON SCHOOL OF ELECTRONICS The Frenchman 8.35
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16. RICHARD KIRK Oneski 6.41
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17. PENTATONIK Real 6.35
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18. PLUTO Rockefeller 5.11
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19. THE HUMAN BEINGS Orbit 6.13
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20. ESCAPE Escape to Mars 8.21
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21. AUTOCREATION Justice Loop 8.14
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22. HARDFLOOR Reverberate Opinion 8.34
|
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23. AMBUSH Sun 8.59
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The vinyl version consists of four 12-inchers. Each side has three tracks,
|
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except side 2 of record 4 has only two (the last two tracks: 22 & 23).
|
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So, everything is like 1-3,4-6,7-9,...,19-21,22-23.
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ANYWAY...THE PLAY-BY-PLAY:
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(1) is fairly chill-out. Not like the dance 12" of 'Environ-Mentally' by
|
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Microglobe. (2) is pretty bizarre...funky chill-out. (3) moves us into
|
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four-on-the-floor minimal, soft trance. (4) gets a bit acidic, but lacks
|
|
anything human. Repetitious, minimal...just plain boring. The second half
|
|
of the track adds a really strange acid-cat-meow...very weird. (5) brings us
|
|
back to chill-out...at it's best! (6) returns to acid trance. The steady
|
|
paced repetition which seems to dominate this compilation as far as its
|
|
trance tracks. This track has a nice sound, though...cool to chill to, or
|
|
trance out to on the dance floor...nothing energetic though. (7) has a happy
|
|
feel...dancey, w/vocals. (8) Dave Angels soft trance. (9) Eat Static adds
|
|
a little bit off energy for dancing with this one. Not very repetitious...
|
|
it has plenty of crests...changes...and a garden of sounds. (10) Neat under-
|
|
water sounding acid...dance underwater! (11) dance and bear it. (12) has
|
|
some decent acid sounds...but there's an ANNOYING vocal "in the afterworld...
|
|
in the afterworld....in the afterworld....in the..." UGH!! shoot her.
|
|
(13) trots through LOTS of water/watery-sounds...GREAT ambient chill-out as
|
|
is (14) which has samples of conversations (from a scanner...) while a type
|
|
some wonderful music & sounds make a soundtrack to them. (15) continues the
|
|
ambiance with some bleepy melodies, a frenchman, and soft funky beats.
|
|
(16) is rather slow four-on-the-floor with melancholy chords and acid bleeps.
|
|
(17) is also slow, but with fast hihats...sorta locomotive sounding. (18)
|
|
speeds up into housey trance...but it's still not keeping me awake at this
|
|
late hour. (19) is even faster...with a decent, building acidline. (20) also
|
|
has plenty of resonance...along with echoes, garden of reverbed sounds, but
|
|
not enough hype for the floor. (21) is VERY similar to Locust. (22) Hardfloor
|
|
could do better. (23) has some indian chants, to a fast indian sounding beat,
|
|
but the newwave/pop sound to it just makes it sound dopey...I tend to like
|
|
tribal that is more...well...tribal...naturally.
|
|
|
|
OVERALL: The ambient tracks are definitely AWESOME...probably the only
|
|
things worth while on this compilation. All the trance tracks are minimal,
|
|
soft, repetitious...not that that's bad...that's trance... but, I personally
|
|
prefer stuff to excite the crowd on a dance floor.
|
|
|
|
I give it 6 or 7 out of 10.
|
|
|
|
I'm exchanging mine for a NEW one as this one has a skip, and I'll be SELLING
|
|
it. BRAND NEW, UNOPENED TRANCE EUROPE EXPRESS 2 for $18 (includes postage).
|
|
$15 without the booklet.
|
|
|
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-djkc
|
|
--
|
|
Follow the Sound, Discover Your Innerself. | I @dig MUSH rooms! Trippy:
|
|
Enjoy Life Together, Feel the Force of Unity. | newton.sos.clarkson.edu 7567
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|
|
|
|---- FLASH *** FBI SUED!!! ***
|
|
|
|
EPIC Seeks Wiretap Data
|
|
|
|
|
|
Electronic Privacy Information Center
|
|
|
|
PRESS RELEASE
|
|
_____________________________________________________________
|
|
|
|
For Release:
|
|
August 9, 1994
|
|
2:00 pm
|
|
|
|
Group Seeks Release of FBI Wiretap Data,
|
|
Calls Proposed Surveillance Legislation Unnecessary
|
|
|
|
Washington, DC: A leading privacy rights group today sued
|
|
the Federal Bureau of Investigation to force the release of
|
|
documents the FBI claims support its campaign for new wiretap
|
|
legislation. The documents were cited by FBI Director Louis Freeh
|
|
during testimony before Congress and in a speech to an influential
|
|
legal organization but have never been released to the public.
|
|
|
|
The lawsuit was filed as proposed legislation which would
|
|
mandate technological changes long sought by the FBI was scheduled
|
|
to be introduced in Congress.
|
|
|
|
The case was brought in federal district court by the
|
|
Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC), a public interest
|
|
research organization that has closely monitored the Bureau's
|
|
efforts to mandate the design of the nation's telecommunications
|
|
infrastructure to facilitate wiretapping. An earlier EPIC lawsuit
|
|
revealed that FBI field offices had reported no difficulties
|
|
conducting wiretaps as a result of new digital communications
|
|
technology, in apparent contradiction of frequent Bureau claims.
|
|
|
|
At issue are two internal FBI surveys that the FBI Director
|
|
has cited as evidence that new telephone systems interfere with
|
|
law enforcement investigations. During Congressional testimony on
|
|
March 18, Director Freeh described "a 1993 informal survey which
|
|
the FBI did with respect to state and local law enforcement
|
|
authorities." According to Freeh, the survey describes the
|
|
problems such agencies had encountered in executing court orders
|
|
for electronic surveillance. On May 19 the FBI Director delivered
|
|
a speech before the American Law Institute in Washington, DC. In
|
|
his prepared remarks, Freeh stated that "[w]ithin the last month,
|
|
the FBI conducted an informal survey of federal and local law
|
|
enforcement regarding recent technological problems which revealed
|
|
over 180 instances where law enforcement was precluded from
|
|
implementing or fully implementing court [wiretap] orders."
|
|
|
|
According to David L. Sobel, EPIC's Legal Counsel, the FBI
|
|
has not yet demonstrated a need for the sweeping new legislation
|
|
that it seeks. "The Bureau has never presented a convincing case
|
|
that its wiretapping capabilities are threatened. Yet it seeks to
|
|
redesign the information infrastructure at an astronomical cost to
|
|
the taxpayers." The nation's telephone companies have
|
|
consistently stated that there have been no cases in which the
|
|
needs of law enforcement have not been met.
|
|
|
|
EPIC is a project of the Fund for Constitutional Government
|
|
and Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility.
|
|
|
|
|
|
================================================================
|
|
|
|
|
|
FBI Director Freeh's Recent Conflicting
|
|
Statements on the Need for Digital Telephony Legislation
|
|
_______________________________________________________________
|
|
|
|
|
|
Speech before the Executives' Club of Chicago, February 17:
|
|
|
|
Development of technology is moving so rapidly that several
|
|
hundred court-authorized surveillances already have been
|
|
prevented by new technological impediments with advanced
|
|
communications equipment.
|
|
|
|
* * *
|
|
|
|
Testimony before Congress on March 18:
|
|
|
|
SEN. LEAHY: Have you had any -- for example, digital telephony,
|
|
have you had any instances where you've had a court order for a
|
|
wiretap that couldn't be executed because of digital
|
|
telephony?
|
|
|
|
MR. FREEH: We've had problems just short of that. And I was
|
|
going to continue with my statement, but I won't now because
|
|
I'd actually rather answer questions than read. We have
|
|
instances of 91 cases -- this was based on a 1993 informal
|
|
survey which the FBI did with respect to state and local law
|
|
enforcement authorities. I can break that down for you.
|
|
|
|
* * *
|
|
|
|
Newsday interview on May 16:
|
|
|
|
We've determined about 81 different instances around the
|
|
country where we were not able to execute a court-authorized
|
|
electronic surveillance order because of lack of access to that
|
|
particular system - a digital switch, a digital loop or some
|
|
blocking technology which we didn't have to deal with four or
|
|
five years ago.
|
|
|
|
* * *
|
|
|
|
Speech before the American Law Institute on May 19:
|
|
|
|
Within the last month, the FBI conducted an informal survey of
|
|
federal and local law enforcement regarding recent techno-
|
|
logical problems which revealed over 180 instances where law
|
|
enforcement was precluded from implementing or fully
|
|
implementing court orders [for electronic surveillance].
|
|
|
|
|
|
============================================================
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|
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--- CPSR ANNOUNCE LIST END ---
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|
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[ Always looking for reviews ! ]
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|
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>> Scheduled for NeXT iSSUE: <<
|
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<< >>
|
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>> o Techno : The future of sound? <<
|
|
<< o Info : Smart Drugs - Beyond the hype >>
|
|
>> o Review : Various Techno <<
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END LINE_NOIZ.18
|
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--
|
|
Billy Biggs Ottawa, Canada "When all else fails,
|
|
ae687@Freenet.carleton.ca read the instructions"
|
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