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Subject: Frog Farm #13
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To: pazuzu@netcom.com
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 20:24:31 -0400 (EDT)
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Welcome to the thirteenth installment of the Frog Farm. This issue contains:
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1) More Tidbits from the Net
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2) George Gordon's Lesson 22: The Jury Pick [incomplete]
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3) One More from the Vault: The (last of the) Frog Farm Archives
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4) Constitutional Rights and a state of War: Ex parte Milligan
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5) _Dirty Little Secrets: Military Information You're Not
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Supposed to Know_
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**
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More Tidbits from the Net
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>Newsgroups: alt.binaries.pictures.erotica,misc.legal
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Subject: Re: Children in the buff
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Date: 2 Oct 1993 12:56:04 -0400
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[quoted stuff elided]
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This may reflect MORE OR LESS what is written in the specific law.
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HOWEVER, "sexual content" seems to be in the eye of the beholder.
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Under a ruling handed down October 15th, 1992, by a U.S. Federal
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Appeals Court in Pennsylvania, photos of a fully clothed 17 year
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old can count as "Child Pornography."
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The ruling comes in the case of Stephen Knox, a graduate student
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at Penn State University, who was given a five year sentence for
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possessing videos showing girls wearing bathing suits or underwear
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at the beach and in modeling sessions.
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The government said that even though the models were clothed
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and not engaged even in sexually suggestive activity, the way
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the film maker framed the images, made them child pornography.
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Federal law bans photographic images that show a person 17
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years old or younger either having sex or engaging in a
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"lascivious exhibition" of the "pubic area."
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Anyone purchasing, selling, or possessing such images faces up
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to ten years in federal prison and a $250,000 fine.
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Know was originally convicted in District Court on the grounds
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that the videos depicted the girls' "inner thighs" which the judge
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declared counted as "pubic area" under the federal law.
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On appeal, a three judge panel of the third circuit agreed with Knox's
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attorneys that the thigh was not "pubic area," but nonetheless upheld
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the conviction on the grounds that the pubic area does not have to be
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uncovered at all for a depiction of it to be "lascivious."
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[end]
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A bit of research disclosed the following. The case is U.S. v. Knox, 977 F.2d
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815 (3rd Cir. Oct. 15, 1992).
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The court of appeals opinion's opening gets right to the point:
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The principal question presented by this appeal is whether
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videotapes that focus on the genitalia and pubic area of
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minor females constitute an 'exhibition of the genitals or
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pubic area' under the federal child pornography laws, 18 U.S.C.
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sec. 2252(a)(2), (4) (Supp. 1990); 18 U.S.C. sec. 2256(2)(E)
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(1988), even though these body parts are covered by
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clothing. We hold that such visual depictions qualify as an
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exhibition, and that this construction does not render the
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statute unconstitutionally overbroad. Finally, we conclude
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that the government presented sufficient evidence at the
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bench trial to establish both the necessary mens rea and the
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delivery of the films through interstate mail. We thus will
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affirm the conviction.
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>Newsgroups: misc.legal
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Subject: Re: Legality of Secession(Civil War)
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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 18:58:41 GMT
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: >The question was, was Secession Constitutional as a states right.
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: >What Right authoriized the U.S (North) to bring back the Confederate
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: >States. The answer is in Article 1, Section 10:
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: > Section 10. States prohibited from the exercise of certain
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: > powers.
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: >
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: >Pretty clear cut.
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: I guess you and I have very different ideas of "pretty clear cut."
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: I don't see anything here that says that a state cannot secede. (Unless
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: "letters of marque and reprisal" have something to do with that. I don't
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: know what that means.)
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: One could easily interpret the restrictions as applying to *states* that
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: remain *states*. That is, a *state* may not enter into a treaty,
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: confederation, etc., as long as it is part of the US. But if the state
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: secedes, it can do whatever it wants.
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: I'm additionally skeptical because I recall seeing a civl war documentary
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: (I believe it was the famous PBS series) in which a historian talked about
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: how the southern states believed it was a state's right to secede--and that
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: when the constitution was originally ratified, it was likely that *none*
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: of the colonies would have joined had they believed that they would not
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: have the right to secede.
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: And of course, southerners have always referred to the war as the "War of
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: Northern Agression."
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: I have difficulty believing that the issue was clear-cut at the time, and
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: the excerpt you posted doesn't do much to change that.
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I assume you refer to a "right" of secession under the Tenth Amendment.
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The Confederacy believed the same. There were many nervous souls at
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the drafting of the Constitution who were afraid the Union couldn't
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possibly succeed. Yet, the fear of openly even mentioning secession,
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either by expressly allowing it or expressly banning it, might
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fatally weaken the Constitution, kept the framers from mentioning it
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one way or another.
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In it's absence, the Confederacy used the Tenth Amendment as
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justification for secession. The North held no such right was
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possible, that in forming the Union the states had abdicated all the
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rights under Section 10. Congress is also granted power over the
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admission of new states and the reformation of states from those
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already existing. Absent is mention of any mechanism for quitting the
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union. In contract law (and that is exactly what the Constitution is,
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a contract between the states), the absence of any means of breeching
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the agreement (and specific language would be required, not the
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nebulous language of the Tenth Amendment), leaves no means for the
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agreement to be breached.
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Remember, the Confederate States never legally asserted this supposed
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right. No case was ever argued before any court. They engaged in
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insurrection, insurrection backed by their state governments, but
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insurrection nonetheless. They abandoned Congress, which was then
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able to brand them outlaw.
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I seriously doubt if any court, at any time, would have ruled in
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their favor. The states surrendered so many greater rights in joining
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the Union, that the lesser right to withdraw without Congress's
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approval, would also appear moot.
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I suspect it will come up again, and probably in my lifetime. The
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21st Century may have even more turmoil than the 20th. I doubt Canada
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will still exist in even 15 years. When China takes over Hong Kong,
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many of the citizens (particularly the wealthiest) and much of the
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wealth will transfer to British Columbia. This is already underway.
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Eastern politicians will not be able to keep their hands off this new
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wealth as a way of financing Canada's creeping Socialism. So I look
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for BC to opt out, followed by Quebec and the Prairee States (which
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will join the U.S.) leaving Ontario and the Northern Territories.
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BC's move will put pressure on the Pacific Northwestern States, which
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already have less in common with their neighbors to the south.
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[end]
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>Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.constitution,misc.legal
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Subject: Re: Citizenship: various responses...
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Date: 2 Oct 1993 00:41:08 -0400
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Organization: Masochists' Institute of Technology, Outpatients' Association
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Summary: "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence; it is force."
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--George Washington
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>Yes, as long as you receive any kind of federal benefit, you fall under the
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>jurisdiction of the U.S. Remember, the 14th says "...AND subject to
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>the jurisdiction thereof..."
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You don't have to receive Federal benefits to be under the
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jurisdiction of the US Federal Government. You don't even have to
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consent to the Federal Government's authority to be under its
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jurisdiction. Indeed, when there isn't an explicit law or treaty in
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the way, the Federal Government can assert jurisdiction over any
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person, consenting or vigorously objecting, who stands before the
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wrong end of a Federal employee's gun.
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Legal cite: _United States of America vs. Manuel Noriega_.
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[end]
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>Newsgroups: misc.legal
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Subject: F.3rd has arrived!
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Date: 3 Oct 1993 19:29:59 -0400
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I was looking up a case on Westlaw last week.
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The citation: ____ F.3d ____!
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Boy, we live in exciting times. First the fall of the Berlin Wall,
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then the end of the Soviet Union, and now the last volume of the
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F.2d!
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[end]
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>Newsgroups: misc.legal,soc.culture.british,alt.society.civil-liberty
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Subject: Britain may end right to silence (and presumption of innocence?)
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 22:53:35 GMT
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According to a UPI story on Clarinet:
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===========
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>Home Secretary Michael Howard Wednesday announced 27 new proposals to
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>combat crime [...]
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> Among the sweeping reforms was a proposal to abolish the right to
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>silence, a legal right Howard said protected terrorists.
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> ``The so-called right to silence is ruthlessly exploited by
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>terrorists. What fools they must think we are. It's time to call a halt
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>to this charade,'' he said.
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...
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[A civil liberties group says:]
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> ``People are going to be convicted on the basis of silence alone,''
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>Banerjea warned.
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[end]
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**
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[I've been more than a little busy lately helping keep food on the table to
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type in any more of the audiotapes I have. Even though this one isn't done,
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it's got some good stuff.]
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George Gordon: Sunday School (Selected Lessons)
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Originally taped sometime around 1982-3 A.D.
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Transcribed from videotape 1992-3 A.D.
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Lesson 22: "The Jury Pick"
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An important thing to keep a constant focus on if things go as far as an
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actual jury trial is the psychological reaction that a juror is going to have.
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it's a matter of salesmanship. you're trying to sell those people your concept
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and ideas. as an example, if you don't have a driver's license and they all
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do, you have an opportunity to show them, in two different ways, that the
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driver's license issue is an issue that has to be decided upon by them. it's
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an issue of fact, not one of law. and the best, and possibly the only way to
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get an issue of fact before the jury regarding the driver's license, is by the
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questions you ask.
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you want them to know that you're charged with not having a license, and that
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that you don't have a license, and that is your defense, and you want them to
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judge. and some of them will say wow, here i've got a driver's license and
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this guy comes in here and says he doesn't need one? now how are you going to
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convince them that you're not a person required to have a license, now that
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they're sitting there? that's the difference between law and fact.
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now our position is that the jury has the right to try the law. but you've got
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a judge and a prosecutor over here that are going to do everything in their
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power to keep that information from the jury! they'll lie, and tell them that
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they don't have that right, they can only judge the facts. So, it's really
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quite simple: You ask each and every juror if he or she knows and understands
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"jury nullifcation" or "jury lawlessness". if that juror says they've never
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heard the words before, you disqualify the juror for cause.
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Now the judge may or may not go along with it, but IF HE DOESN'T, remember the
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Dougherty doctrine of 1970: The presumption of the court is that every citizen
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knows about jury nullification and knows that he has a right to try the law,
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AND IT'S FOR THAT REASON THAT THE COURT WILL NOT INSTRUCT THE JURY OF THAT
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RIGHT. so therefore, a qualification of a juror would naturally be, "do you
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know about your right of jury nullification?"
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Now the question is NOT "your right to try the law", "your right to find the
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accused innocent despite the law", or anything like that. Just "jury
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nullification" and "jury lawlessness". If the person says no, I've never heard
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those terms before, you dismiss him for cause, because Dougherty assumes he
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does, and so does Malloy [sp?].
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If, on the other hand, he says yes, i do, let the prosecutor over here throw
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him off, and that's one of the key questions you're looking for. Because if
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there's a freeman sitting on the jury over here and you bring up the subject
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of nullification, well, imagine it the other way around, if you were the juror
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and a freeman, and the accused asked you that question. Only a freeman would
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typically know about that phrase, as a general rule. Members and subjects,
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remember, are privileged persons, and if they've been acting under privilege
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all their lives, they're not too likely to have ever heard that phrase.
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It's up to you to figure out all the questions you want to ask the jury. You
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may think of a lot of good ones on your own, and it's probably better if you
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do, but I'll bring up three or four that we've come up with around here, just
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for your consideration.
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Always stay organized. As early as possible, you need to sit down and look at
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the subject matter of the case, to give you an idea of the questions that will
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be raised. I can't tell you the questions to ask in each and every case. At
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this point, it's like the fifteenth move in a chess game: The first few moves,
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you know what your opponent's move will be, but this far in, you'll need to
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study it. There may be dictionary definitions, and state of mind.
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Let's try state of mind, and I'll see if I can't help you get the ideas of
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state of mind, and arguing the law before the jury.
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You don't have to take the witness stand in your own defense. BUT IF YOU
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DON'T, YOU WILL PROBABLY LOSE BEFORE THE JURY. It's pretty obvious why: The
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jury's sitting here saying, he's got to have something to hide and he must be
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guilty, or he'd take the stand and tell his story. So as an example, in my Big
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Three case (and you should know that one by now, it's No License, Registration
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or Proof of Insurance), I take the witness stand. And since I'm representing
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myself, I'm going to do it in a narrative form.
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Now the jury cannot hear the law from me, they can only hear facts. So I can't
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get up and say, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the reason I'm not guilty is
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because the Supreme Court, in Crandall v. Nevada, said, because about the time
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you say the supreme court said, the prosecutor will jump up and say, "Your
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honor, the defendant is attempting to instruct the jury in matters of law",
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and the judge will come down on you.
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Maybe a lot of you are nodding your heads right now going Amen. I know this
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must have happened to me at least a dozen times. Well, we can't present law,
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just facts. So I'd start something like this:
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"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I guess by now, you're sitting over there
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being pretty puzzled, and I would guess that the reason you're puzzled is
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because I don't have a driver's license. But I'm not guilty of breaking any
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law. And the reason is because I studied the question of whether or not I
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should HAVE a driver's license. And in my research, I found some facts, and
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the facts that I discovered were these.
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"Fact number one: There's more than one kind of driver on the road.
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"Fact numebr two: The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled, in a
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number of cases, that NOT ALL PERSONS ARE REQUIRED to have a driver's license.
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"Fact number three: MOST persons ARE required to have a driver's license."
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Let's pause for a second to clarify. You have a right to testify in your own
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defense and you have a right to testify as to facts, or as to what you believe
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are facts, even if you believe something to be true which in fact is not. and
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when you present your facts to the jury, those facts have to be considered.
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Remember I cannot open this book and say, "Fact number four: In Crandall v.
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Nevada," no, i can't do that. But i can tell the jury the facts that I learned
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from research:
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"Another thing I learned was that a State cannot charge a tax for the use of a
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right-of-way. Another fact I learned was that a registration fee is a tax.
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Another fact that I learned was that the fee for a driver's license is not a
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fee, but a tax. Another was that the insurance policy is a contract in
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maritime commerce. Another was that I'm not a person engaged in maritime
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commerce."
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Now I may sit here for half an hour or forty-five minutes stating the facts as
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I know them. That's my testimony. Remember how the prosecutor works? When he
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has a policeman on the stand, let's say, he ascertains facts:
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"Officer Schmedly, did you see George Gordon driving on June 5th, 1983?"
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"Yes, I did."
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"And where was he driving?"
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"On Americana Boulevard."
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"What did you see him do?"
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"I saw him driving 45 miles per hour in a 35 mile an hour zone."
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"And was that your probable cause for stopping him?"
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"Yes, it was."
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"And you did stop him?"
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"Yes."
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"And did you ask Mr. Gordon for his driver's license?"
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"Yes."
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"And did Mr. Gordon give you his driver's license?"
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"No, he did not."
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"What did Mr. Gordon say?"
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"Mr. Gordon said that he didn't have a driver's license, that he was driving
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as a matter of right and that he didn't need a license."
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Those are facts of the case. He's not sitting there saying, "And the law says
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he has to have a license, and this case says he has to, blah blah," because if
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he brings up issues of law, YOU OBJECT. You see? It's fair for both sides.
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They can't bring issues of law to the jury, and neither can you.
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Now you might be saying, Wait a minute, my case is based on law, and Supreme
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Court decisions, and the judge won't listen to me. Now we get down to the
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nitty gritty: JURY INSTRUCTIONS. And here's where we're going to create yet
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another reversible error in the hopefully mile-long list of them you've
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already created.
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I'm going to read a few instructions to you, and show you how to tell the jury
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the law surrounding your case. The jury has a right to know what the law is
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surrounding this case. There's a good reason for this, and that's because they
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don't want laymen coming into the court and citing all sorts of irrelevant
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gibberish. When the trial procedure is going on, there have to be relevant
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issues to this case, the facts pertinent to just this case. As a matter of
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fact, that's why it's so difficult for most average people, say, a truck
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driver, to get any issue of fact before the jury. The process of the court to
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get this done is by JURY INSTRUCTIONS. So let's look at one.
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Notice at the bottom of the one in this lesson, there's a citation. There's a
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jury instruction. You may have never seen one, but I'll bet you didn't know
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that just about every lawyer and prosecutor use them. As a matter of fact,
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they filed them already in your case. And if you have the jury looking at the
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court's instructions, and you go out there without any, that's like going out
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to fight Goliath without any armor, without a sling, or even a smooth stone,
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and you walk up to him and you kick him in the shins. Don't wonder what
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happened to you later -- you never got the law before the jury, and it's
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understandable, you didn't know. So let's learn about this instruction by
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reading it. The citation on this one is Camp v. Holt, this is one I put in a
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case concerning property rights.
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"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury: YOU ARE INSTRUCTED that, the words 'life,
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liberty and property' are Constitutional terms and are to be taken in their
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broadest sense. They indicate the three great subdivisions of all civil
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rights. The term 'property' in this instance embraces all valuable interests
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which a man may possess outside of himself, that is, outside of his life and
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liberty. It is not confined to the mere technical property, but literally to
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every species of vested right."
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And the citation, by the way, is Camp v. Holt, 115 U.S. 620.
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Now here's what makes this relevant to your case, or the way you must make it
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relevant. When you took the witness stand and said you don't have a driver's
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license and gave them all those other facts, like not all persons are required
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to have licenses, you couldn't open the book and tell the jury the case and
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the law. when you took the stand, you careted the issue, the fact. Is that
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fact substantiated by law? You bet it is. Let's get back to the property
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issue. I would also use this in most driver's license cases:
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"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury: YOU ARE INSTRUCTED that the court held that
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a license to own and operate an automobile is not property, but a mere
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privilege and therefore, a suspension would not deprive the licensee of his
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property without due process of law."
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Another one:
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" -- that the court held to compel one who used his automobile for his private
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business and pleasure only, to submit to an examination and take out a
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license, was imposing a burden on one class of citizens in the use of the
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streets which was not imposed upon others, and such an ordinance was therefore
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void."
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Now there's a mouthful. But let's recall our objective: We're in court without
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a driver's license, and we have to convince the jury that we don't need one.
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You've got to create facts, and testify to them the fact that not all persons
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are required. So we look at what the court has said, and that will show you
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what facts you want to testify to, and tell the jury about. Because for each
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fact, you should bring in a jury instruction with supporting law. The judge
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will add his own instructions based on the law surrounding the case, you can
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count on it.
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Here's a couple more instructions. These are facts that I would testify to, or
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get witnesses to testify to:
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"It was further said that the use of a motor vehicle is frequently the true
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source of a man's ability to earn a livelihood, and to deprive him of this
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privilege unncessarily is not a reasonable police regulation."
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What questions could we ask the policeman on the stand that would create the
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facts necessary for us to include that jury instruction? Is it a reasonable
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police regulation?
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Well, the best place to start is way back at the scene of the crime, of
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course. Picture this: you've just been "pulled over" and the policeman has
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just walked up to the window and asked you for the Big Three documents, and
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the first words out of your mouth, of course, are, "Well in that case, is this
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a custodial interrogation, and if so, do you have a 4th amendment warrant, and
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what is your probable cause, and I demand counsel present," and you're gonna
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go through it all. This goes all the way back to lesson 2. But once you enter
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some dialogue, if you want to get this policeman to testify favorable facts,
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you need to state that you're not using this road as a matter of trade,
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commerce or profit. You'd BETTER tell him. And if you have a passenger, you'd
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better tell him that your passenger isn't paying you anything. Why do we do
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that at the scene of the crime? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT SOME MONTHS DOWN THE LINE,
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IN COURT, I'm going to be asking him questions like this to establish facts:
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"Officer Schmedly, at the time that you asked the defendant for his driver's
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license, did he say anything to you?"
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"Yes."
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"Did he say to you that he was operating a taxicab?"
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"Oh, no."
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"Did he say that he was operating a business?"
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"No, I don't think so."
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"Well then, did the defendant say to you plainly, in words more or less
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approaching these, 'I am not operating this automobile for trade, commerce,
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profit or gain'? Did he use words similar to those?"
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"Yes, I think he did."
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"He told you plainly that he was a person not required to have a driver's
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license?"
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"Well, yeah."
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"Then why did you give him this 'ticket'?"
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"Well, because the law says he has to have a license."
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"The law then, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, requires that, is that correct?"
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"Well, yes."
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"That is, the statute, Idaho Code 63-52 or whatever, requires that Mr. Gordon
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have a license?"
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"Yes."
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"Do you know of any other laws that would exempt Mr. Gordon from this
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requirement?"
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"No."
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"And that's why you gave him the ticket?"
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"Yes."
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Now what have you done? You've ESTABLISHED FACTS. THe officer believes that
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you need a license, and he's acted in good faith. But the facts that you've
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gotten from him would grant you, then, the jury instruction we gave above
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regarding reasonable police regulation. You said you weren't using the vehicle
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for your livelihood. Remember, to compel one who used the vehicle for private
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business or pleasure is unreasonable. You've now established that you were
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using the vehicle in that capacity! And you need to make those statements at
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the scene of the crime, to set that foundation.
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once his facts and my facts are out, and we've established facts, as a jury
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instruction, you instruct the jury that the court held, etc., etc. you've done
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exactly what you needed to do, but you've done it in writing, whereas you
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couldn't do it verbally or in testimony. i couldn't tell the jury about the
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case. when I found the case, i had to tailor my testimony and the testimony of
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all the witnesses, both mine and the government's, to fit that case. I create
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the facts at the scene of the crime, i create the testimony from the
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witnesses. and that's how you get the law to the jury.
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sure seems simple, eh? let's see just what it is that you have to do to get an
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instruction in, when you file it.
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jury instructions have to be in writing, and they have to be in four parts.
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the jury will not see the words "Camp v. Holt, 115 U.S. 620". so here's how
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you write it up.. let's act out this example, and think it through. we talked
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about the driver's license. I want to tell the jury about a case called Smith
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v. Thompson from 1930 that says I don't need a license if i'm not acting in
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trade, commerce or industry. now how do i do that?
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at the scene of the crime, i set the policeman up by telling him all the
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pertinent facts. then when i got him on the witness stand, i got him to
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testify to it, and i testified to it as well. now the jury is sitting over
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here, a little confused, and i need to tell them about this particular case, i
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want them to see it. so i write it up in four parts. it'll look something like
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this.
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number one, you'll notice, there's no jury instruction. down at the bottom, it
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has no citation, no smith v. jones or anything. and that's because, THE JURY
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CANNOT SEE THE CITATION! as far as they know, when they look at this, it's
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that trial judge that gave them this instruction. but in reality, it's the
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supreme court of the united states that's giving them this instruction.
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so let's take a look at this instruction. the JUDGE gets a copy that DOES have
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the citation at the bottom, and your opponent, the prosecutor, gets a copy,
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and you're going to get a copy.
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now mark this one down also and get it straight, because it's crucial: YOUR
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JURY INSTRUCTIONS WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED UNLESS THEY'RE SENT IN TIMELY! about
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|
five days before the trial, the judge has to see those instructions. by your
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motions, remember lesson 13 and 14, and 20, and we went through the motion
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|
hearing. and when it was over, we got our theory of the case across to the
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|
prosecutor and the judge. the judge knows that you stipulated to certain
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facts, like that you don't have a driver's license. now you come in with the
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jury instructions, five days prior to trial, and file them with the court.
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what i do is go across the street and have them stamped in, just like a
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motion, and i walk over to the judge and give him a copy of ALL my jury
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instructions. can you imagine this, dropping a stack of paper on him this
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thick his eyes might pop out of his skull.
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Five days before trial, he knows what the instructions are going to be, and so
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does the prosecutor. so on the day of the trial, the judge will typically call
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for a PRE-TRIAL CONFERENCE. during this, you go in and talk about your
|
|
procedure. ANY JURY INSTRUCTION THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED IS NOT
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NECESSARILY GOING TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE JURY. because what happens if you
|
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walked in and forgot to cross examine the officer, forgot to testify, forgot
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|
to set facts down such as that you're not a "person required" to have a
|
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driver's license? then that jury instruction wouldn't be relevant, because
|
|
there are no facts in the case relevant to it! you can't tell the jury that a
|
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person doesn't need the license if he's not engaged in commerce, if you
|
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haven't established the fact that you're not engaged in commerce -- and THAT's
|
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why you create the facts at the scene of the crime, in the jailcell, and your
|
|
entire procedure. if the prosecutor got someone to testify that you've driven
|
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people around and gotten paid for it, your whole case could be blown. your own
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|
jury instruction will hang you now, based on that established fact. so it's
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IMPERATIVE that you show the facts.
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now your instructions are facts, so when you go through the witnesses, you
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|
question them based on the instructions that you want to get in. this one
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we've been working with, camp v holt, states that life, liberty and property
|
|
are constitutional terms. that's a fact. now you take the stand and say
|
|
something like, "A fact that I contend for is that the words 'life, liberty
|
|
and property' are constitutional terms, and i've conducted myself
|
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accordingly." there's the fact, and here's the instruction, and you've
|
|
testified that you believe it. you might now put an expert witness on the
|
|
stand, like a lawyer. and a lawyer is an expert witness, who can testify as to
|
|
what the law means, in his professional opinion. might go:
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"Mr. Jones, would you tell the jury what your occupation is?"
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"I'm a lawyer."
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"How long have you been a lawyer?"
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"25 years."
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"And what branch of law do you specialize in or practice?"
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"Constitutional law and criminal practice."
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"Have you read a number of Supreme Court cases?"
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"Yes."
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"Are you familiar with the Supreme Court's position on various topics?"
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|
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"Yes, I am."
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"Do you know how to research the law?"
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"Yes."
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That's to qualify him as an expert witness. Now you move on.
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|
|
|
"Have you studied the Constitution?"
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"Yes, I have."
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"Have you read a number of Supreme Court cases which are relevant to the
|
|
Constitution?"
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|
|
"Yes."
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|
|
"Now will you tell me, in your professional opinion, what the words 'life,
|
|
liberty and property' mean to you?"
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"They are Constitutional terms to be taken in their broadest sense."
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See, he can testify to the jury about that, because he's an expert. A law
|
|
professor could work just as well in this capacity.
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|
Okay, now let's cover the physical aspect of getting this in. We've talked
|
|
about qualifying it, according to the rules of procedure for whereever you're
|
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from, and you'll need a different number of copies of each instruction
|
|
depending on where you're from. i usually have 5.
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|
|
|
first, i type it up with the citation at the bottom of the page. Citation and
|
|
quotation. One copy to the judge, one to the prosecutor, one in the "filed"
|
|
folder along with all the motions i've filed so far, one i keep for myself,
|
|
and the FIFTH copy has the CITATION REMOVED FROM THE BOTTOM, and THAT goes to
|
|
the jury. easy enough? your personal copy gets stamped and in your folder. and
|
|
the judge will take the huge pile of them that you dump on his desk, with and
|
|
without, and he'll physically give, hand over, the instructions WITHOUT the
|
|
citations, to the jury foreman. And the jury foreman will take them into
|
|
deliberation, and read the instructions aloud to the jury.
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|
|
|
now the prosecutor, or in a civil case, youur opponent, will have the same
|
|
stack. when you go through your case, you use your stack as your notes, and
|
|
you go through and make certain of everything, and keep your legal pad handy
|
|
for jotting down questions you may think to ask officer schmedly, would
|
|
instruction 6, or 36, maybe relate to questions that i might want to ask
|
|
officer schmedly? and you should number those instructions, so you can
|
|
reference them easily.
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|
|
|
now step back, and take a look at all the FACTS you've established. Remember
|
|
the traditional role of the jury? They're the judge of the FACTS. when they go
|
|
in, the judge gives them those instructions with all the rest of the facts,
|
|
and so they get the instructions almost right from your mouth.
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|
|
|
let's capitulate, and look back on lesson 21 and 22, and see what we've
|
|
learned here. we started off talking about the grand jury, and we know that we
|
|
have a reversible error issue over the grand jury issue. We also learned about
|
|
Lysander Spooner and Red Beckman's books. the Spooner might be at your local
|
|
library. people tell me those are some of the best books out. Red Beckman, in
|
|
Montana, has basically shut down the IRS. At least ten percent of the people
|
|
in Montana know and understand jury lawlessness, jury nullification. that's
|
|
one of the best things you can do, is teach people what it's about. when
|
|
you're called for jury duty, remember to play the dummy, because you'll be
|
|
bumped off the minute you start talking intelligently and asking questions and
|
|
such.
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|
|
|
we talked about the state constitution, about the juries in the state of
|
|
Idaho, and we know that we have a right to a grand jury on each and every
|
|
charge if the penalty is one year and one day in jail, because that's an
|
|
infamous crime. check your state's constitution and see what your provision
|
|
is.
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|
|
|
remember that the federal supreme court has said that in those states where
|
|
informations are lawful, they will not interfere. idaho is one of those
|
|
states, it can prosecute either by information or inditement by grand jury.
|
|
remember that the information is permission that you grant the state, so that
|
|
they can prosecute you WITHOUT a grand jury inditement. so while idaho is, in
|
|
fact, one of those states, it STILL REQUIRES YOUR PERMISSION. you check your
|
|
state constitution and see. if it has provision for informations, you've got a
|
|
major federal question that needs to be addressed, and set up right from the
|
|
scene of the crime.
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|
|
then, the common law jury: it's a petit jury, it'll be either 6 or 12. now the
|
|
6-man jury started with the phoenicians, around 700 B.C. there are places and
|
|
various state constitutions that set up 6-man juries. Idaho is one of those.
|
|
That's when you're entering the court in equity, admiralty, maritime, probate,
|
|
whatever, but it's not common law, because a common law jury is twelve, and
|
|
it's the very definition in fact. when you walk in, always demand a 12-man
|
|
jury at the common law. keeping in mind, of course, that the traffic, tax,
|
|
etc., courts are not common law courts, and no freeman belongs in one of them.
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|
|
once in a while, it can get humorous. i'll file a motion or two, they'll get
|
|
overruled, i'll demand a 12-man jury and the judge will say he'll give me six,
|
|
and i'll look around and go, "Where am i? Am I in the wrong room? Where do I
|
|
have to go to get common law?" The conversation will break down awfully fast
|
|
after that, but at least there'll be some humor in the courtroom. and remember
|
|
the golden rule: IF YOU'RE NOT HAVING FUN, YOU'RE NOT DOING IT RIGHT.
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|
|
then in lesson 22, the last segment i talked about was jury instruction and i
|
|
want to wrap it up on this one. i hear all the time that our courts are so
|
|
unfair and are taking advantage of this. remember, if i've said it once, i've
|
|
said it a dozen times, and that's that it's not my position to argue whether
|
|
these things are good or bad. my position is that the way the court works
|
|
seems to be pretty good. i've had 33 cases so far, and i've won 33, and got 4
|
|
in litigation right now. my record in civil actions isn't so good at this
|
|
moment, but we've just begun to do civil actions specifically under Title 42
|
|
and trovers and that sort of thing. we've got two cases right now, one is a
|
|
writ of prohibition that bob halstrom has done that's before the federal
|
|
supreme court. it's the third one that i know of that's come out of our
|
|
school, because we helped some people in colorado file two writs of
|
|
prohibition. and there's a writ of prohibition that someone else told me
|
|
about, that's been sent to the supreme court. so we know of three or four that
|
|
are now before them. so whatever we're doing must be right, because we've got
|
|
those cases docketed in Washington. three of our students have cases docketed
|
|
before our state supreme court, and i just got my first case in five years of
|
|
doing this -- i've always been sandbagged at the district court level, but i
|
|
finally got one docketed before the state supreme court. we know our procedure
|
|
is correct, and so is our strategy. and we know that no student who has
|
|
graduated from the school has yet been defeated. deafeat could only come at
|
|
the hands of the federal supreme court when they refuse the appeal or rule
|
|
against us, and this hasn't happened yet.
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[tape ends prematurely]
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**
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[The most recent batch of the best of the best. With this installment, we've
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covered all the captured messages in the archives. I still have unposted
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files, however.]
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91Nov21 2:32 am from Roadkill @ Beach _ MI
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Here are my results of 15 minutes of research on the land patent thingie
|
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(don't you just love technical jargon?!). I want you to shove them, Buddy,
|
|
down Mr. Appleman's throat. Now you must do this politely--never say anything
|
|
you aren't immediately able to back up. Merely point out that five-sevenths
|
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of Larry's argument collapsed upon the application of a quarter-hour in the
|
|
law library. It would take many times that to acquire an exhaustive knowledge
|
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of land patents, but this is a nice start.
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Larry Appleman writes:
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> Here's a list of cases rejecting "land patents":
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>
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> U.S. District Court, 7th Circuit: Wisconsin v. Glick, 782 F.2d 670 (1986).
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Patents may not override legitimate subsequent interests. Glick, white male,
|
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claimed racial dicsrimination--damages were assessed for frivolity of using
|
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federal courts to uphold a rule against racial discrimination where it could
|
|
not apply.
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> Illinois: Britt v. Federal Land Bank Association of St. Louis, 505 N.E.2d
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> 387, 153 Ill.App.3d 605 (1987).
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An attempt to patent (gain fee simple title as a private person from the
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government) after foreclosure proceedings had begun. They wrote the patent
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themselves.
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> Indiana: Blair v. Emmert, 495 N.E.2d 769 (Ct. App. Ind., 1986).
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Emmert wrote himself a declaration of land patent after his property had been
|
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sold for back taxes and used it as justification for a suit against the
|
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purchasers at the federal auction.
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> Minnesota: Leibfried Construction, Inc. v. Peters, 373 N.W.2d 651 (1985).
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The people who wrote themselves patents occupied a house on a property with
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no lease or equitable interest.
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> Pennsylvania: De Jong v. County of Chester, 510 A.2d 902, 98 Pa.Cmwlth.
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> 85 (1986).
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This appears to support him. However, the facts stated within are limited,
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and over the claim of allodial property; whether or not the property was
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removed from the township claims office is unknown.
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> Washington: Federal Land Bank of Spokane v. Redwine, 755 P.2d 822, 51
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> Wash.App. 766 (1988).
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Again, an attempt to declare ownership AFTER foreclosure has already begun!
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> Wisconsin: Chan v. Svee, 428 N.W.2d 562, 145 Wis.2d 897 (Ct. App. Wisc.,
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> 1988).
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Unpublished here, and we don't get the Wisconsin Reporter.
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91Dec05 3:20 pm from frog farmer @ Garbanzo
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Roadkill @ Beach>> Wait a minute? Are we netting again? YES, we are!
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Yay! Welcome back, everybody! So, where were we when the net went
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down? Here, the issue all the legal eagles are researching is "What
|
|
constitutes a valid formal complaint sufficient to give a court
|
|
jurisdiction?"
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|
In California, a "Notice to Appear" (traffic ticket) constitutes a
|
|
"complaint to which the defendant _may_ enter a plea..." (Cal. Vehicle Code
|
|
40513). However, the word "may" is permissive, not mandatory, and if the
|
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defendant demands a formal verified complaint, Penal Code sec. 853.9 and
|
|
section 988 requires that he be provided with one. Cal. Rules of Court #501
|
|
spells out the requirements for "all complaints", yet we here have only been
|
|
able to come up with one or two instances where a proper complaint was
|
|
filed. In all other cases, fraudulent fake complaints are given to the
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|
defendant upon his request, and then because the public is generally
|
|
ignorant about such matters, the defendants usually plead to the faked
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complaints, thus giving the court the jurisdiction it otherwise lacked over
|
|
the defendant. Cal. Evidence Code sec. 1414 seems to have been written just
|
|
to support this charade: "A writing may be authenticated by evidence that:
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(a) The party against whom it is offered has at any time admitted its
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authenticity; or (b) The writing has been acted upon as authentic by the
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party against whom it has been offered."
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The tendency for sheeple to be afraid of incurring the judge's wrath
|
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for daring to challenge the official looking but fake documents leads them
|
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into making the fatal error of "acting upon as authentic" the fake
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complaint, and entering a plea to it, thus in that fatal moment making it
|
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authentic by their own action. From that moment on, their fate is in the
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hands of an equally ignorant jury, so all efforts must be made to either get
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a valid formal complaint (which is usually impossible since few people want
|
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to commit perjury) or to quash the service of summons upon the grounds of
|
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the lack of jurisdiction of the court over the defendant. You will all
|
|
agree that the vast majority of the victims of the Law Enforcement Growth
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Industry have no idea of any of this, and that this is one reason why the
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courts have turned from being Halls of Justice to being Revenue Mills for an
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increasingly bankrupt political machinery.
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Comments?
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92Dec13 6:17 pm from frog farmer @ Garbanzo
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b0b>> Since you have *no* experience with the rules that social workers apply
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to their cases, you are totally unqualified to discuss the subject. Following
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people in supermarket parking lots is hardly a good way to get a balanced look
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at the governments' social service programs!<<
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I'm not even attempting to discuss the rules that social workers apply to
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their cases. You don't understand the tax laws, and yet you feel it necessary
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to pay an excise tax upon the activities you engage in. Just as you can pay
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taxes I don't think you owe, I could get aid you don't think I qualify for,
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IF I wanted to waive the rights necessary to do it. The only thing preventing
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me from getting aid from Big Brother is the lack of my signature on the required
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contracts. Glad I never said "balanced look". All I was doing was getting a
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look at the standard of living that YOU call "needy". Now - before you jump
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all over me for putting words in your mouth, let me explain that last remark.
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You refuse to define "needy" objectively, but you did allege that aid is for
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the needy, not for the "capable", so I can assume that any food stamp
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recipient I see (or at least the majority of them) would fit your definition
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of "needy". What I see at Food-4-Less is that many, many of these "needy"
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have a higher living standard than I do, by far. And yet, I don't consider
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myself so needy that I stoop to feeding off my neighbors, unless they
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voluntarily offer me charity. I'd feel terrible if their property was coerced
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from them for my benefit.
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b0b>> Moreover, since paying into that system is a voluntary act (according to
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things you've posted in the past), why does all of this matter to you at
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all?<<
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Because "my people perish for lack of knowledge". The fact that it
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is voluntary has been hidden from them (if not outright lied about), and many
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who have failed to volunteer have been victimized because they were ignorant.
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Your pet schemes are ruining my country and my ability to enjoy Life, Liberty,
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and the Pursuit of Happiness. A look at the former Soviet Union shows the end
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results of unrealistic socialist programs. I watched a rebroadcast of their
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evening news on CNN the other night. The people over there have grown so
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dependent upon government that they cannot conceive of life without it. In
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the particular story I was watching, people who wanted to fly out on Aeroflot
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couldn't understand that there were not enough functioning aircraft to
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maintain the published schedules. There were no more spare engines. But they
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couldn't understand that someone had to pay for all those things they had been
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getting for free from the government, and of course, when the government fell,
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no one stepped forward to fund the state airline. So what did the people do?
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They went out and sat down on the freezing cold runway! Pathetic! And people
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think that our country can't go the same way as the Soviets! Just the other
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day, the FDIC (Fraudulent Deceptive Instillers of Confidence) announced that
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they could not pay as promised if one more major bank failed! I hope that
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stops one more major bank from failing!! Hahahahaha! Forgive me for laughing
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- it's not really funny.
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92Apr18 2:08 pm from frog farmer @ Garbanzo
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Nombrist Beor>> Is there any way that two sovereigns can make any sort of
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contract involving the transfer of property across State lines without
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getting involved in Commerce?<<
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Well, the owner of the property could certainly transport and deliver his
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own property, and accept substance for it.
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Nombrist Beor>> Attempt #3 (still ongoing): Suddenly, out of the blue, a man
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walks up to me and says, "Buddy. You got it all wrong. This is still a
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lawful society, you just gotta know the rules well enough to force everyone
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to play fair. Here, I'll explain some of the basics to you and give you some
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suggestions on where they hide the manuals for the game." FF, guess who that
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was?<<
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Uh,...Lynn Johnston?? I heard she was 19 when she started writing her
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book... She was one of my great inspirations, if not the greatest. It was
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she who motivated me to take my first steps. She's from your state, you
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know.
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I've been recently discovering just how lawless this society really is.
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The people are lawless, having been trained to be so. The government is
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lawless, because it finds that the people are asleep and don't notice and
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don't care. Still, before guns are resorted to, I think we should at least
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be able to say that we TRIED to use the courts, according to the Law. But
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now there are so many corrupt judges, and ignorant juries, that even that
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route has its problems. What's a mother to do? Where else can you go where
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you have the chances you have here? All the people of the other countries
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KNOW that they are subservient to their governments. At least here the law
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is on our side, and as they say, a pendulum eventually swings back the other
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way. I'm willing to try to hold out for my rights here. If enough people
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do the same, we'll have them, since we can't ALL fit in the prisons, jails,
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and labor camps.
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NB>> Result #3: I have most of the instructions for the game now, but a lot
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of the instructions are vague (at least to me). So now I'm in the process of
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picking up all the hints books that I can find whenever I can afford them so
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that I will hopefully become a master game player.<<
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We are all still learning. No one can know it all. Remember that. Not
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even the judges, and especially not the prosecutors. For a guy your age,
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you're WAY out ahead of the pack. Keep reading, and learning, and fighting.
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NB>> So far, I still haven't even asked to be dealt a hand from a new deck
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yet because the stakes are REALLY high. I want to make absolutely sure that
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I will at least break even, if I don't win my first hand. I've seen a lot of
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people go to the table already and end up losing.<<
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Start with little things first. My first case, taken through to appeal,
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was over a $14 dog license. I won on a writ of mandate when the judge
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wouldn't follow the appellate rules. The writ commanded the judge to either
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follow the rules (too embarassing at the time) or dismiss the original
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charges on which I was convicted. Up until then, I didn't even know that
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the charges could be dismissed by the trial court AFTER conviction. I still
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haven't found where that's possible in the books, but it happened.
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A little girl (she was about 4'6" tall, 20 years old) was the FIRST
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person to EVER appeal a traffic ticket in our county. The judge entered a
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GUILTY PLEA for her, over her objection, and therefore, on the basis of the
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plea THAT HE ENTERED, found her guilty and sentenced her right there on the
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spot. Appeal time. They dismissed those charges too, before the appeal ran
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its course.
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Of course, you're always better off avoiding court. I used to try to
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get tickets just to get the courtroom experience, but now I work on avoiding
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court when possible. Pre-trial procedures are now my area of interest.
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NB>> I don't have enough money right now even to be able to bribe one of the
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masters or even pay their drinks for them to tutor me through a single game
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yet, so I'm just sitting on the side lines, working as a Cabana boy or the
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bus boy and watching everything and picking through the trash they leave
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behind. Needless to say, it's not a job I enjoy, or even an enviable one,
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but it does get results. I have the patience to wait a very long time if I
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have to. When I feel that I am competent, I'll start by asking someone else
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to deal me into a hand just for fun, or play at one of the very low stakes
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tables. Then if my skills are what they should be, I will save up enough to
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play not just one, but several games at one of the highest tables in the
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room. If I lose, I'll just have to quit my job and go find work elsewhere.
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If I win, I'll rent out the Presidential Suite, invite the people I met to a
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party, and maybe, if I am feeling bored, I'll throw the table scraps to the
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dealers and the dirty card sharks in the alley.<<
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Someday we'll discuss all this over margaritas on the beach of some
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tropical island, with the trip paid for by the winnings from a lawsuit over
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deprivation of rights under color of law. Whoever is first to win such a
|
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suit will buy the drinks and the airline tickets...
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Jim Bianchi>> Froggy... ths oaths thing has really got me thinking. If no
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state official since 19xx has sworn a proper oath, then doesn't that
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|
invalidate every state law and ordinance enacted by those officials since
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that date? And, as if that weren't enough, HOW can anyone's trial and
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punishment be legal if the JUDGES THEMSELVES haven't sworn a proper oath?
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Until this situation is resolved, I feel that THIS should be the
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|
defense of choice -- "MISTER xxxx, you have no authority to HEAR this case,
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which is based on a totally NON-EXISTANT law. Now I'm going to go home and
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play with the mother of my children. When it is shown that I have failed to
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obey a LEGAL ORDINANCE, and that my case will be heard by a LEGALLY SWORN
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judge, call me.."<<
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I agree, Jimbo. You always want to make sure you know who you're
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talking to, right? Makes sense to ask him (whoever it is) "Before entering
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upon your official duties, did you take the oath of office required by the
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Constitution of the State of California?", and if he says "yes" then you can
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|
compare the oath he took (certified copies are available) with the
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Constitution to see if he is lying or not. Last week we watched the whole
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Sonoma County Board of Supervisors lie in answer to that question.
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Actually, the chairman lied for all the others, who carefully aquiesced in
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the lie by remaining silent. Their counsel was speechless - it was obvious
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that it was the first time he'd ever heard of this issue, and he had no
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ready response. He left the room and came back with his constitution book,
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and kept comparing the oaths they took with it for at least 5 minutes. We
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have this all on videotape.
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A point raised by Neat Pete was that if they didn't take the required
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oath, and didn't even know it, then that's evidence that they never even
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read the Constitution, the provisions of which it is their job to uphold.
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The question must be asked, if they are incompetent to fulfill their first
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job (taking the required oath), what makes them think that they are
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competent to perform any other duty?
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Jim Bianchi>> Re: oaths.. On the other hand, if no judges were legally sworn
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in, to whom would you present a writ of habeas corpus to get your bod out of
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gaol should you be thrown in? (Esp if the reason you were there in the first
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place was incident to the fact that no legal oaths had been sworn.)<<
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Well, in my case, if I thought I had a friendly judge impersonator in my
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pocket (and I think I do) I'd enclose a copy of the oath, and ask that the
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would-be judge sign it before signing my writ. Or, I could always go to a
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federal judge, but I like handling my affairs with my home boys. After all,
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this is where I live and we all have to get along with our neighbors, now
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don't we?? I don't like to call feds into anything - heck, THEY may have
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taken the proper oath and still might be willing to commit treason, whereas
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our homeboys, not having taken their oaths yet, are only guilty of
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impersonating an officer. You know, all the times I've ever tried to get
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one of 'em to fill out one of my Public Servant Questionairres, none of 'em
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have been willing to do so and claim to be an officer of the law on paper.
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That's saying something for them. Of course, not being willing to identify
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themselves as officers, they always let me go. With that in mind, I'm not
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too worried about ever having to use a writ of habeas corpus.
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Another consideration is: WHY would I want to be gotten out of jail so
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fast? After I'm in there for over 7 days illegally, each day is worth about
|
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$50,000 in my civil suit. And the longer I'm in, the more names I'm taking,
|
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and the more rights violations I might be able to rack up on the score
|
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sheet. If they ever make the mistake of illegally putting me in jail,
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they're gonna hafta KICK ME OUT!
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How else am I gonna be able to afford to sit on the beach drinking
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margaritas in Jamaica with all my Frog Farm buddies??
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MR>> Does anybody know what the legal standing is of a vehicle that has been
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"junked"?? I mean, let's say I find a truck I'm interested in purchasing.
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This truck isn't currently running, but it has been registered and the state
|
|
does have an interest in it. Now, what I'm wondering about is what happens
|
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when you go down to the DMV, turn in the "pink slip" ownership papers and
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the license plates in exchange for a "junk slip"??<<
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I really haven't checked it out.
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MR>> I'm curious about the legal matters of ownership that may apply if I
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were to use the frame of this vehicle to build another car. What if I use
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the frame and the body and just build up a new engine for it? Can I then
|
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create an MSO for the vehicle and claim I built it? If it is the frame of
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the vehicle that has the identification numbers on it...maybe I can have a
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custom frame welded and use the body parts to build the car/truck? Where
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would the line be drawn?<<
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I've *heard* (in discussion with other folks) that any vehicle that was
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CREATED within the corporate establishment falls under the state's
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jurisdiction, but Bruce McCarthy has already disproved that. I'm not
|
|
really concerned with that aspect of the issue right now. I'm currently
|
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driving a vehicle that belongs to someone else, and is registered (my own
|
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car's engine needs rebuilding.) Still, I'm not worried about getting
|
|
"caught" because I have a few other issues that need exploration, such as:
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|
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|
1. Can a policeman really create a valid complaint, without an injury
|
|
being done to one of the State's own citizens? I don't think so.
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2. Since no official of the State of California has taken the oath
|
|
required by the State Constitution, WHO is going to prosecute me?
|
|
I'm living in a territory with no valid republican form of
|
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government, and no one pretending to be an officer is really
|
|
capacitated.
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|
3. According to Penal code section 145, it's a misdemeanor for an
|
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officer to refuse to take me DIRECTLY to a magistrate for an
|
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"examination". I don't think the officer will be able to pass my
|
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examination.
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MR>> Does anybody know where I might research this? The book by Bruce
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McCarthy is my starting point... I really need to figure out a way to get
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some transportation, and I can't afford to go out and purchase a new vehicle
|
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from a dealer, so...<<
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Why don't you obtain a $300 "classic" like George drives? Then, if they
|
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steal it from you, it'll cost them more than it'll cost you.
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92Apr19 9:08 pm from frog farmer @ Garbanzo
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MR>> The bailiff moved over behind him, pulled out his cuffs, and began to
|
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play with the cuffs while the defendant was talking with the judge. He was
|
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really making a disturbance moving the arm of the cuff all the way around
|
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and slowly clicking it through the lock and around again. He asked the
|
|
judge 3 or 4 times, "Can I cuff him now?" The judge was getting disturbed
|
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and everyone in the courtroom was looking around at each other. Nobody
|
|
could believe this cop was being such a jerk. The judge made up a deal (was
|
|
paying more attention to the jerkoff cop) and the defendant signed some
|
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papers, probably promising to pay and was let go. I can't believe this cop,
|
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though...just the look on his face...sheesh.<<
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You have to learn to pretend the bailiffs aren't there. I ignore them
|
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to the degree that, for me, they ARE not there. One time, as I was yelling
|
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at the top of my voice in order to be heard over the judge who kept
|
|
interrupting me, two bailiffs moved to either side of me and were about to
|
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each grab one of my arms. I didn't know that until my friends who went with
|
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me told me about it later. I was blanking them out of my consciousness so
|
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they couldn't distract me from what I was doing, which is one of their
|
|
games. Ignore the bailiffs - they have no effect on the outcome of any
|
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hearing; they're irrelevent.
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92Apr28 11:26 am from frog farmer @ Garbanzo
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b0b>> No, but the documents Frog Farmer described were all less than 20
|
|
pages in length. Hardly comparable to a set of encyclopedias. Do you know
|
|
anyone who would be willing to pay a buck a page for an encyclopedia?<<
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First of all, your statement is blatantly incorrect. Six of the
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documents were OVER 20 pages - some were two and three times that. Five of
|
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the documents (less than half of them) were UNDER 20 pages. You may think
|
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I'm splitting hairs here, but this is the kind of misunderstanding that
|
|
makes papers such as these necessary. You saying that they "were all less
|
|
than 20 pages" is the same kind of misunderstanding (or faulty perception)
|
|
that might lead someone to conclude that "all drivers must be licensed" or
|
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that "everyone must pay income tax".
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People often do, in this local area at least, pay attorneys around 75
|
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bux per page for legal papers of the type advertised (papers to be filed in
|
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court). Paralegals usually get around 20-40 bux per page. I think if you
|
|
ask Mark Randall if he would have paid a dollar a page to have 50 sheets of
|
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8.5" x 11" paper that would have won his latest case for him, he'd have
|
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jumped at it. A lot of time doing research and composition goes into the
|
|
formation of effective legal papers, just like the same goes into the disks
|
|
that contain your programming. And just as you would never sell a disk of
|
|
your programming to the public for the cost of copying the disk, many people
|
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who put hours into the formation of legal briefs also want some return on
|
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their investment of time and effort.
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On the other hand, most people would never pay what you ask for your
|
|
programming, since they don't see the value in it, and might never use it.
|
|
Just as many people figure they'll never need to defend themselves from the
|
|
State, many people figure they'll never need a computer. The same probably
|
|
applies to you and the documents that were offered. Those who use these
|
|
documents tend to be of the opinion that they should not be as "pearls cast
|
|
before swine" - that they should only be used by serious people who will
|
|
take the time to make sure that they are not misused. I know that's how I
|
|
feel about my own Constructive Notice which is less than 20 pages long.
|
|
I've turned down offers of over 2 dollars per page for that document.
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|
|
|
Legal papers are weapons of self-defense. Just like other weapons, many
|
|
people can imagine no need for them. Yet those who can see the need for a
|
|
firearm, and how to use them, will pay much more than the cost of the raw
|
|
materials involved, and much more than the cost of machining that goes into
|
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them. There's a certain value to be had in being able to use them to
|
|
produce the desired effect. The documents offered at a total cost of under
|
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300FRNs ought to be able to save the purchaser many, many times that amount,
|
|
IF they were to be used. If they were to be purchased strictly for
|
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entertainment purposes, then I'd agree that more might be able to be
|
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obtained for your entertainment FRN.
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92Apr28 11:27 am from frog farmer @ Garbanzo
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Last night I had the pleasure of being able to talk about the license issue
|
|
on the Bill Wattenberg Show on KCBS radio. Dr. Wattenberg, who is very
|
|
knowledgeable on many issues, was totally in the dark about the driver's
|
|
license. He expressed the common belief that anyone who travels on the
|
|
roadways is required to have a driver's license. Even when I read him the
|
|
quotation from the case of Thompson v. Smith, from the Supreme Court, his
|
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cognitive dissonance wouldn't let him believe it. I told him of the cases I
|
|
had won over the issue. I explained that the origin of the driver's license
|
|
was the combination of the two pre-existing licenses for chauffeurs and
|
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commercial operators. His disbelief made him overtly hostile to the idea
|
|
that one could exercise rights in an auto on the highways. He said that if
|
|
he found out that what I had said was true, he would work hard to see that
|
|
the law would be changed to remove any such right. I quoted the Miranda
|
|
case to him - "Where rights are involved, there can be no rule-making or
|
|
legislation which would abrogate them". He snapped back that "Miranda has
|
|
nothing to do with it." All he probably knows about Miranda is what he's
|
|
seen on television cop shows.
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|
|
|
After I went off the air, a caller from Oregon called to confirm what I had
|
|
said to Bill, further explaining the commercial nature of the term "drive".
|
|
Bill accused him of "hairsplitting" and stupidity. By this time, Bill was
|
|
so shaken that he rudely interrupted the caller, and proceeded to misquote
|
|
me and twist my words, obviously ignoring what I had told him. It seemed
|
|
that Bill was trying to protect the public from knowledge by making me out
|
|
to be some sort of "kook". I really didn't expect anything different. The
|
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media are the prime players used to keep the public asleep and oblivious to
|
|
the truth. In trying to prove myself and the Oregon caller wrong, he
|
|
repeatedly asked "Just how many people are out traveling in this way without
|
|
driver's licenses?" Logic would indicate that the answer to that question
|
|
could never be known, since such people DON'T REGISTER their activity. Only
|
|
the number of people WITH LICENSES could be accurately ascertained from
|
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state records. For a Ph.D. like Dr. Wattenberg, asking a "stupid" question
|
|
such as this, and for the purposes of refutation, was clear evidence of his
|
|
bias and proof that he had an axe to grind, instead of being open-minded and
|
|
receptive to new ideas as he should be.
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|
|
|
My wife doesn't like Bill Wattenberg. She thinks he acts like he always
|
|
knows more about everything than anyone else, and that he always cuts people
|
|
off when he doesn't agree with them. My call was successful on two counts -
|
|
he failed to stifle what I had to say, and he was left showing his
|
|
ignorance. To top it off, he failed to regain his composure for the
|
|
remainder of his program.
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92Apr29 7:45 pm from frog farmer @ Garbanzo
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Jim Bianchi>> Seems to me that when Mr. Wattenberg accused the caller from
|
|
Oregon of "splitting hairs," he was correct -- only, when the STATE splits
|
|
the same hairs in IT'S favor, this is not looked upon as being "stupid." If
|
|
hair splitting it be, then it's obviously to your favor to split them in
|
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YOUR favor and not in anyone elses ..not even the states.<<
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The law regarding ambiguous laws states that any ambiguity is to be
|
|
resolved AGAINST the government, since laws can be declared void for
|
|
vagueness.
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JB>> George Gordon, throughout his taped lectures, constantly reiterates one
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point -- that "if any case is worth my gov't prosecuting, it's worth my
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defending." And these legal beagles have all gone through at least four or
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six years of intensive law school, so it takes some learning for a non-law
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school graduate to equal them. What price your freedom (if that is what is
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at stake)? It's admittedly not as easy as it was in past years -- the sheer
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accumulation of legislation and interpretations of them that have
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accumulated make up the greatest part of the law school curriculum, so there
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is a LOT to be caught up.<<
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Law school concentrates on STATUTORY LAW, and avoids Constitutional and
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the Common Law. Of course, legislatures like to make new laws all the time,
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and hardly ever spend any time repealing old statutes. But if you learn how
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to regain your status of freeman, what does the will of the legislature mean
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to you? It only means something to those who struggle under it, those who
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are SUBJECTS of the legislature. Howard Freeman was once told by a judge
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(as was George Gordon) that there really hasn't been much new LAW for a very
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long time.
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JB>> Again, as Mr. Gordon says, "F. Lee Baily might be the one to get to
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handle a murder case, but for simple stuff, such as no DL or registation, I
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can handle that fine, thank you.."<<
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Yeah, NOW you say that, Jim! You've taken the course! Howzit feel now
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that you're more competent than 90% of all trial attorneys? Any different?
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92Aug10 6:05 pm from Nombrist Beor @ Beach _ MI
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I found court opinions where one of the parties was a Mr. George Gordon in the
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Pacific Reporter, in Ada county. Seems Mr. Gordon really teed off one
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particular judge who completely ignored Gordon's legal papers and sent him to
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the can and fined him in FRN's.
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My original goal was to actually research this right to travel issue.
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I ran into a FEW snags...
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Now, I haven't researched this aspect, but the Secretary of State handles all
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driver's licensing matters, which may or may not be strictly a commercial
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aspect. This is a question that I still have to check, because the other
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things I checked into came up really strange.
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The "Right to Travel" as defined in Corpus Juris Secundum and American
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Jurisprudence (or whatever the other legal encyclopaedia is) gives a lot of
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cases that I haven't started looking up yet, but both go off on a tangent and
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circumvent INTRASTATE travel and try to discuss interstate travel.
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Now, this is all well and good, but they're defining travel as basically
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(from C.J.S) as: migration with the intent to settle and abide; ie, the right
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to change your domicile. Excuse me? Is that not obvious? Well, most of the
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cases stemming from that deal with whether or not states can require 1 year
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residency for welfare benefits and such, which would make it hard for the poor
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to move into a state. Obviously, Michigan is in no clear and present danger of
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violating that!
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The second thing which really made me stand up and take notice was when I
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looked up the legal encyclopaedia for Michigan and it stated that Michigan's
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courts have never ruled on the issue as it refers to automobiles.
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Third, while we're defining funny little unmentioned rights, Michigan's
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constitution is almost like an extension of the national constitution's 9th
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amendment:
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Article 1, Section 23: "The enumeration in this constitution of certain
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rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the
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people."
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ie, there's this big list and if your's ain't on it, you keep it.
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Title 9, Section 19.2001+ (or is it 9.2001+? I don't have that material
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because I forgot it at a neighbors and now I have pink eye, so using a car is
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currently tricky to do since I don't normally drive or motor with glasses on).
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is the section and it says that getting a driver's license is mandatory, and
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seems to contain none of FF's key words like "resident" and such.
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The definitions in that same section are also not nice, and I do recall them
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claiming "residency and domicile are synonymous". Huh? Since when? This is why
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I was going to research the Secretary of State..he evidently is a
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commerce-only figure, and the whole section is evidently only related to
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commerce, but unburying THAT will take some time.
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As far as my methods, I'm planning on writing to the Secretary of State and
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changing the assumptions regarding the whole matter. I have considered an
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affidavit of constructive fraud, but I don't know anything about that, so I'm
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not going to unless I learn more about it.
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I will continue with my case citation problems next..pull out your copy of
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"drivers.txt" for a reference.
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First off, I've only checked citations for which I can find Reporters at WMU
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(didn't bother Kzoo court house yet), which limits me to Supreme Court, NE,
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NW, Pacific, Federal, and Federal Supplement.
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|
This eliminates pretty much all of FF's California cases, because he didn't
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|
provide citations outside of Californian Reporters or the complete citations
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|
into the Pacific Reporter (reading the Pacific one is interesting..they have
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illustrations, photos, and such actually in it..much higher quality and better
|
|
written decisions than the others).
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|
First comes Richmond Baking Co. v. Department of Treasury, 18 NE 2d 788. This
|
|
case involved the bakery which had delivery trucks not only in Ohio, but
|
|
extending into Indiana (or was it the other way around? not really
|
|
important..only shows interstate traffic occuring). The owner seemed to be
|
|
pretty irate about the tax, but admitted that some things which apply to
|
|
commercial vehicles do not apply to others. His argument also included the
|
|
idea that non-commercial trucks did not get taxed but commercial ones did. The
|
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tax itself was a motor vehicle weight tax.
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|
The judge struck down his arguments because the owner himself admitted that
|
|
there was a difference between the commercial and noncommercial arena. This,
|
|
we get FF's quotation:
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"Users of the highway for transportation of persons and property for
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hire may be subjected to special regulations not applicable to those
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|
using the highway for public purposes." - Richmond Baking co. v.
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|
Department of Treasury 18 N.E. 2d 788
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|
Next on the list is Slusher v. Safety Coach Transit Co. This is one that I
|
|
definitely want a copy of because it is referenced more than once in several
|
|
others casees I found. Unfortunately, it's in the South.
|
|
The actual license cases I didn't check up on because those were part of the
|
|
more overall "commerce v. rights" issue, while I was only researching the
|
|
fundamental right to travel issue directly.
|
|
"Operation of a motor vehicle upon public streets and highways is not
|
|
a mere privilege but is a right or liberty protected by the guarantees
|
|
of Federal and State constitutions." - Adams v. City of Pocatello 416
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|
P2d 46
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This one wreaked havoc with the rest of the research.
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|
On the face of it, Adams v. City of Pocatello is practically the definition
|
|
of the Right of Travel I was looking for. The plaintiff had his driver's
|
|
license suspended because he didn't pay a bond to satisfy their insurance
|
|
scheme, and had been arrested 3 more times for driving on a suspended license.
|
|
The funny part is that the first paragraph of the judge's declaration of "the
|
|
way things are" is just that. But the next paragraph states that
|
|
"The right of a citizen to operate a motor vehicle upon the public streets
|
|
and highways, is subject to reasonable regulation by the state in the exercise
|
|
of its police power."
|
|
Next, he vindicates the insurance scheme since it protects the public against
|
|
reckless and careless driver's. Needless to say, this one is also not quite
|
|
what FF was talking about. It gets worse, though, because after looking for
|
|
similar cases via Shephard's, another case claimed that one should carry and
|
|
be able to produce proof of said insurance or bond. Another vindicated the 55
|
|
mph speed limit for the environmentalist wacko line used to reduce it to 55
|
|
back in the 70's.
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|
Now, the interesting part is that George Gordon referenced this particular
|
|
case, and quoted it, too, and all the other claims of "freeman" (the judge
|
|
quoted it, too). The judge basically lumped most of it together and said that
|
|
essentially George Gordon was full of it.
|
|
There was another similar case where George was suing a towing company to get
|
|
back his 200 FRN clunkers. It seems that he just demanded his property back,
|
|
but they asked that he prove that he owned them. My best guess is that he just
|
|
bought them from someone else but didn't get rid of the state's interest in
|
|
them, so the state returned them to the "registered owners".
|
|
So much for direct cases, except in the case of Slusher.
|
|
Now, since this right has been at least recognized (and references are given
|
|
for it in Adams v. City of Pocatello), and there are some others still to
|
|
check up on, it isn't a hopeless situation.
|
|
What's more, the Callaghan's reference is pretty blatant about the right not
|
|
being infringed and being virtually unlimited, if it wasn't for all the
|
|
Callaghans references deal with changing one's domicile pretty much.
|
|
A right is different from a privilege. That is the one remaining, though
|
|
esoteric, issue. The fact that the Michigan Constitution may be different from
|
|
those in some of the other cases may be the material I need to cement this
|
|
particular line of reasoning together.
|
|
So, right to travel isn't hopeless yet. Oh, and I'm of course going to write
|
|
George Gordon and Frog Farmer and ask them, simply, "What's up? Your
|
|
references seem to be full of holes, so far."
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|
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|
92Aug11 5:27 am from Tom o' Bedlam @ Beach _ MI
|
|
Congratulations, Nombrist, you've come to the same conclusion I came to when
|
|
I looked up those cases, only you took the time to post what you found. It
|
|
does seem like they excerpted those lines for a sales brochure, doesn't it?
|
|
|
|
Incidentally, the 1963 Constitution also "equalizes" the terms resident and
|
|
citizen.
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|
92Aug11 6:25 pm from Nombrist Beor @ Beach _ MI
|
|
Tom: I didn't research all the "rights can't be converted to privileges or
|
|
subject to government whim" issue, but this is a way I can see to "rescue"
|
|
cases like Adams v. Pocatello..
|
|
When you find something that doesn't fit the "norm", you have to show why it
|
|
is not the same as your case, right? Well, if we can find the other state
|
|
constitutions involved, we should be able to show that they don't gaurantee
|
|
rights like Michigan does?
|
|
Just a thought, but I think we've all been tripping over each other and
|
|
really need to set up a date/time to meet regularly EVERY WEEK or at least
|
|
biweekly, but that has the disadvantage that people forget which week it is,
|
|
etc., etc.
|
|
Now, you got to admit, we have learned a few useful things, like forcing
|
|
either self dismissal or recusal of a judge when he starts acting like a party
|
|
to a case? (summary)...
|
|
"What is your name, boy?"
|
|
"Sir, are you asking me my name because you are attempting to enter evidence
|
|
onto the record?"
|
|
"How do you plead, boy?"
|
|
"Sir, since I don't understand the issue, because you won't let me have
|
|
counsel of my choice, and because no counsel you will let me have is adequate,
|
|
I can't plead."
|
|
"Fine boy, I'll enter not guilty for you."
|
|
"Oh, sir, are you going to be my lawyer? Because if you are, I'm happy
|
|
because you obviously understand the issue and can explain it to me and if
|
|
you're not, you're still going to have to immediately disqualify yourself
|
|
because you have now admitted on the record that you're either beholden to or
|
|
a member of the accused party."
|
|
"Are you going to swear to tell the truth or not?"
|
|
"I don't know sir, are you throwing me into the dungeon because I'm lying
|
|
when I'm telling you that I'm a pathological liar or are you throwing me into
|
|
the dungeon because I'm telling you the truth when I'm telling you that I'm a
|
|
liar or are you throwing me into the dungeon because I'm lying about telling
|
|
you the truth that I'm lying when I tell you that I'm a pathological liar?"
|
|
|
|
Needless to say, making a judge behave is not as difficult as I once thought
|
|
it was. The only irritation is those annoying (and VERY thick and muddied)
|
|
contempt charges.
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|
92Aug31 5:23 am from Tom o' Bedlam
|
|
Actually, there is something worth looking up. While common law and equity
|
|
have been merged under the Michigan Constitution (and have been since 1850),
|
|
"substantive differences remain" Brown v. Kalamazoo Circuit Court Judge.
|
|
If we go looking for these "substantive differences," we may be pleasantly
|
|
surprised.
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|
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|
92Sep01 3:49 pm from Nombrist Beor @ Beach _ MI
|
|
Tom: They were not able to abolish the substance of the differences between
|
|
equity and common law, only the forms. You no longer have to go through the
|
|
plea/demurrer route, but can use the other simplified forms available under
|
|
Equity.
|
|
It does have major advantages. For instance, remember the way that you
|
|
notarize something under common law? Either track down a couple witnesses or a
|
|
notary public. In Federal equity, you need only sign it with the proper prayer.
|
|
I've already seen this a lot of times, and I know the difference was
|
|
mentioned in the Frog Farm database (substantive vs. forms) before.
|
|
|
|
92Sep01 3:57 pm from Nombrist Beor @ Beach _ MI
|
|
On Right to Travel:
|
|
The Michigan courts were challenged on the no-fault insurance issue before.
|
|
See Callaghan's under Constitutional law (Right to Travel). The issue of the
|
|
right to travel was brought up, but in that case, the judge was unwilling to
|
|
enlarge the right to travel to include mere locomotion. Now, when you check
|
|
CJS and the other encyclopaedia, they do mention that in one case, it was also
|
|
spread to include the right to free movement or locomotion.
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|
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**
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|
|
|
[I'll be looking up a more complete citation of this case, as I have a hunch
|
|
it may provide some good quotes for the FAQ.]
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|
HEADING: Constitutional Rights and War
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|
|
|
Ex parte Milligan, 4 Wallace 2 (1866)
|
|
|
|
> Milligan, who was not and never had been in the military service of the
|
|
>United States, was tried, convicted, and sentenced to be hanged by a
|
|
>military commission established under Presidential authority. The
|
|
>sentence was approved by the President. In a proceeding for a writ of
|
|
>habeas corpus Milligan contended the commission had no jurisdiction
|
|
>over him and that he was not accorded a jury trial.
|
|
|
|
QUESTION: Did the military tribunal have any legal power and authority to
|
|
try and punish this man?
|
|
|
|
DECISION: No.
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|
|
|
REASONING: The court stated that every trial involves the exercise of judicial
|
|
power. No part of the judicial power of the country was conferred on the
|
|
military commission because the Constitution expressly vests it "in one
|
|
supreme court and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to
|
|
time establish." The military cannot justify action on the mandate of the
|
|
President because he is controlled by law, and has his appropriate sphere of
|
|
duty, which is to execute, not make, the laws. The Court stated that in times
|
|
of grave emergencies the Constitution allows the government to make arrests
|
|
without a writ of habeas corpus but it goes no further; that is, that the
|
|
citizen might be tried otherwise than by the course of the common law. The
|
|
court further stated that martial law can only be applied when there is real
|
|
necessity, such as during an invasion that would effectually close the courts
|
|
and civil administration. However, as long as the civil courts are operating,
|
|
as they were in this case, then the accused is entitled to a civil trial by
|
|
jury.
|
|
"The Constitution...is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and in
|
|
peace, and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all
|
|
times, and under all circumstances. No doctrine involving more pernicious
|
|
consequences, was ever invented by the wit of men than that any of its
|
|
provisions can be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government."
|
|
|
|
CORROLLARY CASES: Ex parte Quirin, 317 U.S. 1; In re Yamashita, 327 U.S. 1;
|
|
Duncan v, Kahanamoku, 327 U.S. 304; Korematsu v. U.S.,
|
|
323 U.S. 214; Hirabayashi v. U.S., 320 U.S. 81; Ex parte
|
|
Endo, 323 U.S. 283; Ex parte Merryman, 17 Fed. Cas. No.
|
|
9487; U.S. ex rel. Toth v. Quarles, 350 U.S. 11
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|
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|
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**
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|
|
|
[This, and every other book by James Dunnigan, fits all my requirements for
|
|
being a great book by being both entertaining and informative. This is the
|
|
first time I've ever departed seriously from the primary focus of the mailing
|
|
list, and I debated with myself whether to include it or not...for about five
|
|
seconds.]
|
|
|
|
A few excerpts from _Dirty Little Secrets: Military Information You're Not
|
|
Supposed To Know_, by James F. Dunnigan and Albert A. Nofi:
|
|
|
|
- No Modernization Necessary: The bicycle currently in use by the Swiss Army
|
|
is the same model introduced in 1905.
|
|
|
|
- What Am I Bid For This Fine T-62?: One day, while on maneuvers in
|
|
Czechoslovakia, a Russian tank crew got lost. Wandering around, they soon came
|
|
upon a country inn. Having no money for drinks, they cleverly sold their tank
|
|
to the innkeeper for as much booze as they could drink and carry. They were
|
|
eventually caught, while sleeping it off. The tank was recovered, hidden
|
|
behind the inn, before it could be cut up for scrap and parts.
|
|
|
|
- Which Way Is North?: A study conducted by the U.S. Army some years ago
|
|
concluded that, regardless of how intelligent or well educated they were,
|
|
about 25 percent of the troops involved were incapable of being taught to
|
|
understand a map.
|
|
|
|
- Asleep At The Wheel: The U.S. M-1 tank is a marvelous, and quite effective,
|
|
combat vehicle, but it does have its shortcomings. One of the least talked-
|
|
about flaws is the tendency of the drivers to fall asleep. This is due to the
|
|
design of the driver's seat, which has him in a reclining, and apparently very
|
|
comfortable, position.
|
|
|
|
- The Not-So-Insignificant Fuze: Fuzes have long been rather simple and
|
|
inexpensive components of warheads. The primary function of fuzes is to sense
|
|
when the warhead has struck something and then to quickly detonate the
|
|
warhead's explosive charge. During World War II, fuzes began to get very
|
|
expensive, particularly with the development of the "proximity" fuze, which
|
|
had a miniature internal radar that sensed when it was close to a target and
|
|
then detonated the warhead, making a near-miss a hit. Since that time, these
|
|
fuzes have become more elaborate still. Current examples of this type are
|
|
found in the U.S. Army's Patriot surface-to-air missile. Each fuze for the
|
|
Patriot costs $26,000.
|
|
|
|
- Everybody Wants To Get In On The Act: Russian sources claim that in the two
|
|
years after Mattias Rust landed his little airplane in Red Square, violations
|
|
of Soviet airspace had risen markedly, occasionally to as many as fifty a
|
|
month.
|
|
|
|
- Flying Lessons: NATO intelligence units regularly monitor radio activity in
|
|
East Germany. One day a Russian Air Force general flying a MiG-23 was heard
|
|
carrying on a heated conversation as his aircraft attempted to land in bad
|
|
weather. The MiG began to have mechanical problems, and the general began
|
|
getting angry. As he came in lower, the cockpit warning system began to
|
|
announce, in a taped feminine voice, that various systems were broken, and
|
|
suggested alternative procedures. The general was really pissed off at this
|
|
point, and as he crashed, his last words were, "Shut up, you whore, don't try
|
|
and tell me how to fly an airplane."
|
|
|
|
- Ah, That's Much Better: Nerve gas is a deadly weapon, often incapacitating
|
|
or killing its victims within seconds. To date, the most effective antidote
|
|
is Atropine. This was distributed to the troops in the form of a syringe.
|
|
Within seconds of being hit, the troops had to plunge the syringe into a large
|
|
muscle, usually in the leg. Unfortunately, there are many different flavors of
|
|
nerve gas, and Atropine is not equally successful with all of them. Moreover,
|
|
soldiers can become quite sick if they administer Atropine when they are not
|
|
actually hit by nerve gas. To overcome these problems, the Atropine formula is
|
|
constantly being changed. One of the more successful has added Valium to the
|
|
syringe. You may not feel better, but it will calm you down.
|
|
|
|
- The Sukhomlinov Effect: Military historians have an amusing rule of thumb
|
|
for determining which army is most likely to win a war, the "Sukhomlinov
|
|
Effect". Named after General Vladimir Sukhomlinov, the imperial Russian
|
|
minister of war at the start of World War I, this "rule" holds that in any
|
|
given conflict the loser is most likely to be the side whose generals wear the
|
|
better uniforms. Sukhomlinov himself was perhaps the most splendidly outfitted
|
|
general in this century, with gold braid embroidery down to his knees.
|
|
Consider the lessons of history: The barbarian invasions, the Dutch War for
|
|
Independence, the English Civil War, the American Revolution, the French
|
|
Revolution, the Napoleonic Wars, the American Civil War, World War I, the
|
|
Russian Revolution, World War II, the several Arab-Israeli wars, the Vietnam
|
|
War, and the Afghan War were all lost by the side that had the snappier
|
|
uniforms.
|
|
Though the suggestion of a "law" at work is perhaps a bit facetious, there is
|
|
more than a coincidence here. Particularly in peacetime, armies tend to
|
|
concern themselves more with appearances and style than with fighting skill,
|
|
which cannot, after all, be demonstrated. Men who "look" like generals --
|
|
tall, ruggedly handsome guys with broad shoulders and splendid posture who
|
|
wear the uniform well -- are more likely to be promoted than those who may
|
|
have a real talent for war, since the latter may not meet the peacetime
|
|
criteria. Although lots of fine commanders have been short, fat and slovenly,
|
|
they had to wait around for a war before they could prove themselves. There is
|
|
no known way to pick the able generals in peacetime. As a result, despite a
|
|
few notable exceptions, the generals who command at the onset of a war are
|
|
rarely still in charge by its conclusion.
|
|
|
|
- From The People Who Brought You "Protective Reaction": The U.S. Army has
|
|
recently been detected avoiding the use of the word "combat", preferring the
|
|
euphemism "violence processing". In a similar vein, the New Action Army does
|
|
not "attack" targets, it "services" them. You might think of the army as the
|
|
ultimate service industry.
|
|
|
|
- Rules We Kill By: The Geneva Convention, a series of agreements dating back
|
|
to before World War I attempting to "humanize" warfare, contains a number of
|
|
prohibitions. You aren't supposed to kill prisoners, yet this is routinely
|
|
done when there is no way to guard them, an action that the convention
|
|
suggests may be permissible. Bullets that fragment after entering a soldier
|
|
are forbidden, but most weapons in use today do just that at the normal short
|
|
combat ranges. The most curious prohibition is that of shotguns. These were
|
|
great favorites during World War I trench fighting. During the Vietnam War,
|
|
soldiers at the lead of a patrol customarily carried a shotgun, and no other
|
|
weapon was more effective in fending off an unseen ambusher. The people who
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drafted the Geneva Convention were of good heart, but they should have studied
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their history. Several hundred years earlier, the then-more-influential Roman
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Catholic Church attempted to ban the use of the crossbow. This met with much
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resistance, so the prohibition was lifted as long as the crossbow was only
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used against non-Christians. That didn't work, either.
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- The Empire Is Secure: The British recently obtained a century's supply of
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one of their most critically important strategic materials when they purchased
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from China twenty kilograms of yak hair, which will be dyed scarlet in order
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to provide the plumes for officers of Her Majesty's Foot Guards.
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- Gas Guzzlers: Modern tanks with gas-turbine engines use about as much fuel
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standing still as when they are moving. Tanks spend most of their time
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stationary when operating. Successful tankers have found that it's safer to
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wait for someone else to move into their gun sights.
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- Bill It To Your Grandchildren: Fully 125 years after Appomattox, federal
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pensions are being paid to about a dozen widows of Civil War veterans -- all
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of whom had been involved in May-December marriages in the early part of this
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century -- including the widows of former Confederate veterans, eligible under
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an act of 1959, who are in some cases also collecting pensions from states of
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the soi-distant Confederacy. Another few dozen pensions are being paid to
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surviving children of Civil War veterans. If the Civil War pattern holds true
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for subsequent conflicts, the last Spanish War pensions will probably be paid
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out sometime around 2030. Similarly, World War I will still be costing the
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taxpayers money until about 2050; World War II until about 2075; Korea until
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about 2080, and the Vietnam War until sometime around 2110. The pension burden
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for the current "peacetime" armed forces will not run out until at least 2125,
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given the gradual increase in life expectancy.
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- Don't Overlook The Footnotes: The official Defense Department recipe and
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specifications for making, packaging and storing fruitcake are eighteen pages
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long. In a similar vein, the specifications for chewing gum are fifteen pages.
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On the other hand, the specs for condoms are only thirteen pages.
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- Foreign Aid: While most Americans generally think Uncle Sam spreads their
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money around pretty generously, over the last decade or so over 50 percent of
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American military aid to foreign powers has gone to just two countries, Egypt
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and Israel, who, along with Saudi Arabia, Taiwan and Pakistan also account for
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about 75 percent of U.S. sales of arms.
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- The Civilianization of War: An ominous trend in twentieth-century warfare
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is the increasing proportion of deaths among noncombatants. In World War I,
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the ratio of deaths among military personnel to those among civilians was
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about 20:1, a figure that fell to 1:1 during World War II, to 1:5 in the
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Korean War, and to 1:13 in Vietnam, a ratio that may be even worse for the
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Afghanistan War. A future nuclear war would see this trend spiral upward, with
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hundreds of civilian deaths for each military one.
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- Warrior Is To War: In most languages, the word for "warrior" is derived
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from the word for "war", implying that the latter necessitates the existence
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of the former. Thus, of course, there is the English "warrior" from "war", the
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German "krieger" from "krieg", and the Romance "guerrero" from "guerra". In
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Russian, however, the reverse is true. The word for war, "voyna", derives from
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the word for warrior, "voin", the linguistic implication being that since we
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have warriors, we might as well have a war.
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- Thanks, But No Thanks: When then-Chief Justice Warren Burger was notified
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that a place had been reserved for him in the government's secret underground
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fallout shelter, situated in the foothills of the Appalachians some miles west
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of Washington, he inquired as to what arrangements had been made for his wife.
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Learning that she was "nonessential" to national recovery from a nuclear war,
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the Chief Justice notified the appropriate authorities that so was he.
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- Tradition Pays Off: Tradition is widely considered one of the things that
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keeps a military force going. As a result, most armies pay at least lip
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service to traditional ceremonies, uniforms and music. In one army, this has
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also proved to be rather profitable. The former East German army was, in
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drill, ceremony and music, something of a reincarnation of the Imperial German
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and Royal Prussian Armies. Indeed, the army band is so skillful in the
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reproduction of traditional Prussian and German military music that it has cut
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a number of records, which are sold to military buffs in the West. And by some
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accounts, the band once also held a recording session behind closed doors, so
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that it could cash in on sales to Neo-Nazis as well.
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- One Might Say There's A Pattern Here: In 1984, the University of Oslo and
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the Norwegian Academy of Sciences calculated that since 3600 B.C., there had
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been 14,351 wars resulting in 3,600 million deaths. Peace prevailed for only
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292 years of the 5,584 studied -- about 5 percent of the time. These rare
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instances of peace are probably due to inadequate historical records.
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"There never was a good war, nor a bad peace."
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- Benjamin Franklin
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