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Welcome to the sixth installment of the Frog Farm. This issue contains
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information regarding the following topics:
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1) Sample: Using UCC 1-207
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2) Rescinding Social Security, Part 2 of 4
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3) Revoking a Certificate of Birth w/A.J. Teel
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4) A Few From the Vault: Dusty Archives of the original Frog Farm
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**
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[This example of UCC 1-207 was sent to me by Frog Farmer himself a while back.
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It was written by a teenaged friend of his.]
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Let it be known, I reserve all of my rights under the common
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law provisions and proceed to base my claim of fraud upon all who
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deny me these rights.
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I shall continue to state, I am not a resident of the District
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of Columbia or a foreign corporation, officer, director, stockholder,
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or employee of a foreign corporation, or a citizen of the United
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States, or a citizen of the U.S., or a citizen of any corporate,
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conglomerate state government, and I am not a resident of any federal
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possession, enclave, or fort etc., and if I of necessity receive any
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governmental benefits and privileges, it is without prejudice,
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reserving all rights as per the Uniform Commercial Code 1-207. I am
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therefore not subject to the color of law jurisdictions of the United
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States in the corporate monopoly of the federal and state governments.
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I am a natural and corporeal person and cannot live in a
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corporate fiction called the United States nor the corporate fiction
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called the State of California. I thereby claim my rights under the
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Constitution which is the Supreme Law of the Land. The Bill of Rights
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enumerates some of our rights as sovereign citizens.
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I deny all jurisdictional claims you present over me. I further
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respectfully dishonor all claims against me this day, and all other
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days that I have been forced to enter into this jurisdiction by
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estoppel, fraud, misrepresentation, duress, coercion, mistake, etc.
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This is done upon the following provisions of Code:
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Under U.C.C. 1-207 Performance or acceptance under reservation of
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rights.
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A party who with explicit reservation of rights performs or
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promises performance or assents to performance in a manner demanded or
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offered by the other party does not thereby prejudice the rights
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reserved. Such words as "without prejudice", "under protest" or the
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like are sufficient.
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Under U.C.C. 3-511 (1) and (c). Waived or excused presentment,
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protest or notice of dishonor or delay therein.
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(1) Delay in presentment, protest, or notice of dishonor is
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excused when the party is without notice that it is due or when the
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delay is caused by circumstances beyond his control and he exercises
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reasonable diligence after the cause of the delay ceases to operate.
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Presentment or notice or protest as the case may be is entirely
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excused when
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(c) by reasonable diligence the presentment or protest cannot
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be made or the notice given.
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I dishonor your presentment or claim upon me.
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Under U.C.C. 3-305 (2) (b) and (c) Rights of a holder in due course.
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(2) All defenses of any party to the instrument with whom the holder
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has not dealt except
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(b) Such other incapacity, or duress, or illegality of the
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transaction, render the obligation of the party a nullity, and
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(c) such misrepresentation as has induced the party to sign the
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instrument with neither knowledge nor reasonable opportunity to obtain
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knowledge of its character or its essential terms.
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Under U.C.C. 3-601 (3) (a). The liability of all parties is
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discharged when any party who has himself no right of action or
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recourse on the instrument
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(a) reacquires the instrument in his own right.
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Under U.C.C. 1-103. Supplementary general provisions of law
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applicable.
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Unless displaced by the particular provisions of this act, the
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principles of law and equity, including the law merchant and the law
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relative to capacity to contract, principal and agent, estoppel,
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fraud, misrepresentation, duress, coercion, mistake, bankruptcy, or
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other validating or invalidating cause shall supplement its
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provisions.
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Under U.C.C. 2-609. Right to adequate assurance of performance.
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(4) After receipt of a justified demand failure to provide within
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a reasonable time not exceeding thirty days such assurance of due
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performance as is adequate under the circumstances of the particular
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case is a repudiation of the contract.
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Under U.C.C. 2-608. Revocation of acceptance in whole or in part.
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(1) The buyer may revoke his acceptance of a lot or commercial unit
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whose nonconformity substantially impairs its value to him if he has
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accepted it.
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(b) without discovery of such nonconformity if his acceptance was
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reasonably induced either by the difficulty of discovery before acceptance
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or by the seller's assurances.
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(2) Revocation of acceptance must occur within a reasonable time
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after the buyer discovers or should have discovered the ground for it
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and before any substantial change in condition of the goods which is not
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caused by their own defects. It is not effective until the buyer
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notifies the seller of it.
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(3) A buyer who so revokes has the same rights and duties with
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regard to the goods involved as if he had rejected them.
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I hereby revoke all signatures on every and all state and federal
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documents which has my signature on it, and including those in the
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future if forced to do so.
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I further disclaim any oaths or implied oaths of or contracts.
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Dated _____
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Submitted by _______________
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Signed without prejudice U.C.C. 1-207
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**
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[This is part 2 of 4. Part 1 was published last issue.]
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Rescinding Social Security
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by Marion
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(comments by Roger [Elvick?])
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The Taxpayers Federation immediately issued a press release stating: "it
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is now publicly acknowledged that all adherence to sound insurance practices
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have been abandoned. This single decision assured ever mounting tax bills for the system without
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any possibility of relief." It is the "ever mounting tax bills" which
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constitute the greatest threat to the S.S.System, and by 1980 that threat had
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become terribly real." ..
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The Federal gov. created the S.S.Program. In 1935 it was a new government
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program for American citizens. It did not then, and does not now include
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all citizens. Groups of workers such as railroad, certain professionals such
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as doctors and lawyers, also government employees (to include members of
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Congress) are not members of the plan.. Until just recently,certain
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religious groups were not members of the program.The government program for
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citizens social security is correctly called the Federal Insurance
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Contributions Act, and is frequently abbreviated as FICA. As with some other
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government program names,, the actual name is not totally correct and is
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somewhat misleading. The FICA program is not an insurance plan in the commonly
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accepted fashion, as there is no guarantee that the citizen will receive
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certain benefits.
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(Comment,Roger.I wonder if this program applies to "citizens" as
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"subjects"?)
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A private insurance policy must have protected and positive benefits for
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its members. The word 'insurance' in FICA is not a correct description, as
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Congress has total control over the amount as well as the duration of all
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benefits. Collections of payments can be changed at the whim of congress,
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which has been done from time to time. The third word in the name,
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'contribution' is also deceptive and misleading. In the various FICA
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publications the word 'donation' is commonly used as a substitute for the
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word 'contributions'. Most dictionaries define these words to mean that
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something is voluntary, optional, and not mandatory. The simple fact is that
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the FICA program is voluntary and optional---not mandatory by law! No law
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has been passed requiring any citizen to enroll in and /or subscribe to the
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FICA program. Remember, classes of workers, such as government and railroad
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employees, are exempt from joining. There is strong influence and coercion
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for citizens to enroll in the FICA program, but there is no requirement that
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it must be done. Joining the program is voluntary, and the right not to
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enroll is protected by the U.S.Constitution. Described another way, an FICA
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number cannot be forced upon any citizen, but must be requested by a
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citizen. Usually a FICA number is requested and received when the citizen
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is legally a minor. There is a question of validity of such action as minors
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are not allowed to participate in contracts, especially one that has a
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lifetime application.
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Other groups officially exempt from the FICA program are nonprofit
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organizations and hospital employees, farmers, commercial fishing boats,
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international agencies like the U.N., workers at tax supported universities,
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schools, and workers at any tax exempt entity generally do not have to pay.
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Preachers, Pastors, Priests, Rabbis, Monks do not pay FICA taxes if they
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choose not to. To withdraw from FICA as a group, notice of intent must be
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presented to IRS two years in advance of the actual withdrawal action by the
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group. As a reflection of the fading confidence in the FICA, there is a
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growing increase of notices to withdraw, such as the state of Alaska. Besides
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the obvious unreliability of the FICA program, the recent increase in
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contribution rates is another reason for citizens to consider ending
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participation.
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In many cases workers have more withheld for FICA, than for "income
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tax". Currently, the so called average citizen works for more than one third
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of each year for the government, based on these two deductions alone.
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Originally an FICA membership card carried a warning that the card was to
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be used only by the S.S.Administration, and not to be used as
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identification." Since then, the warning caution has been removed from the card
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and the number has become a common identification for items such as bank
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accounts, drivers license, etc.,. The S.S. program has various examples of a
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double standard. One such example is, amounts will be withheld from an
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employee even if he does not have an FICA number. The law does not require
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a citizen to have an account number, but collects a contribution from
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compensation unless the citizen is in some category of employment that
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is officially exempt. One method to be exempt from payments to the FICA by
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withholding is to work under contract which specifies that all compensation
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be received, and there are no deductions for any purpose. The citizen's
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right to contract is protected in the U.S.Constitution Art. I, Sect. 10. Such
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financial contract agreement is beneficial to both employer and employee. The
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employer has reduced bookkeeping costs,, and does not pay "matching"
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amounts to FICA. The employee receives his full amount of agreed compensation.
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The employer having reduced business expense by avoiding FICA costs could
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invest such amounts, experience an increase in profits, or share the amount
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with the employee,etc. Such working agreements are citizen's rights which were
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established over 200 years ago. A freeman cannot be subjected to a government
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program that infringe upon rights, such as FICA and other similar deceptive
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devices.
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(Comment Roger.Such being the definition of a common law cheat or cheating
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at the common law, such as using false weights or measures or
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'devices' to deceive.))
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The collection of FICA tax is accomplished by the IRS. The code book for
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the IRS is Title 26 of the U.S.Code. This Code (26 USC) is pertinent to
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'income tax'. Income tax is an indirect excise type of tax. This
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specification is defined in the Congressional Report #80-19a dated January
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17, 1980. Unlike a 'direct' tax any excise tax (indirect) is the result of
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having or using a special license or privilege that is granted by govern-
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ment. If a citizen does not have or use a special license or privilege,
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they are not subject to an excise tax. Some citizens are confused about the
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income tax and believe a tax is owed on the compensation (wages,salaries
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and commissions) received by them for performing some service. Careful study
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of this subject reveals that opinion to be incorrect. There is a tax on
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'income' but it does not include wages, salaries, tips, first time commis-
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sions, etc.,.This is so stated in the IRS code itself which describes
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FICA tax, in section 3101 of Chap. 21, as follows: "Rate of tax (a) In
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addition to other taxes, there is hereby imposed on the income of every
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individual a tax".
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(Comment.Roger. In other places it says that we 'incur' the tax (i.e.bring
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it upon ourselves)
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This type of tax is an indirect excise and has been so
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ruled by the supreme court in Helvering v Nestor 363 US 603 (1960) in which it
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states that the employees' portion of S.S. is an 'income tax', and is not a
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/premium payment for any kind of an insurance program. Notice also that
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Sect. 3101 of 26 USC separates and distinguishes a difference between
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'income' and 'wages'. This means the amount of withholdings/contributions are
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determined by wages earned, however, contributions/withholdings are not
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required until a citizen/employee earns an 'income'. This statement is very
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important and critical to the proper understanding and application of the
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FICA 'tax'. Simply put, if citizens do not receive income (profit or gain)
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they are not subject to deductions for FICA. This is the same authority used
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for the tax on income. Liability for FICA is not the result of being an
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employee, but is based upon the condition that the citizen receives a
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profit or gain (income).Section 3102 (b) of 26 USC strongly influences
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employees to contribute and withhold FICA tax from their employees, attempting
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to make the employer responsible for the tax if the employee decides to
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halt withholding (volunteering). The employee's solution to stop their
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employer from withholding is to file an action in the state court. To
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accomplish this, an employee will have to move the state court to order the
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employer to obey state property rights laws by ordering the employer to stop
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seizing the employee's property (wages) without permission of the
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employee. The judge then issues a "temporary restraining order", or an
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injunction. Usually this comes under the heading of cease and desist
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conversions. Such action is simple to prepare, inexpensive and harmless
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to the worker employer relationship because it infers no wrongdoing,
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but best of all, it is an action immune from interference by the federal
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agencies. They have no standing whatsoever in a state court, and in any
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event are barred from interfering between two contractual parties.The state
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government has no authority to interfere, because the matter is strictly a
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civil matter between contracting parties, even if the employer is a state
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agency. Many citizens are confused about what income tax is and be-
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lieve it to be a tax on compensation (wages, salaries, first time commissions,
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tips, etc.) received by them for performing some service. This is untrue.
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There is a tax on income, but that tax does not include taxes on wages,
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salary, tips, compensation, etc. Taxing these categories was automatically
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repealed in 1946, when it was ruled that a tax on source (wages) can only be
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levied for a term of two (2) years once our government declares war, per
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Article 1, Sect.10, cl.12, U.S.Const. This is also indicated in the IRS
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code itself where it describes the FICA tax, in sect. 3101 of chap. 21, which
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reads as follows: "Rate of tax (a) In addition to other taxes, there is
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hereby imposed on the income of every individual a tax equal to the following
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percentage of the wages..." The government is admitting in sect. 3101
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that income is income and wages is wages. The words income and wages have
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two different meanings, Thus wages are not income and cannot be taxed.
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Notice carefully that 26 USC 3101 also specifies that FICA 'contributions'
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are taxes. This is an indirect excise tax and has been so ruled by the
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Supreme court in Fleming v Nestor,, 363 US 603, for the employers
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portion, commonly called the matching half. This tax liability directed
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at the employer is the result of business operation permitted by govern-
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ment.
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(Comment Roger. If you do anything about this you had
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better not have any stock in the company.)(also, if you are a
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corporation acting within the law you are not taxed.Corporations
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act outside the law and this is the privilege that they are taxed
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on)
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The supreme court ruled in Fleming v Nestor, 363 US 609, that employee's
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portion is an income tax and it is not a premium payment for any kind of
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insurance program. Remember, section 3101 of chap. 21 of title 26 clearly
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shows that until citizens receive income (profit/gain) they are not subject
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to deductions for the FICA tax. This is the same authority as the federal/
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state tax on "income",for until a citizen receives income
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(gain/profit), he is not subject to having federal/state taxes withheld
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from their property (wages) and no employer has any right or authority
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to withhold property from any employee's paycheck unless said employee
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voluntarily signs and files a W-4 form with employer, authorizing the employer
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to withhold the tax at the source. The supreme court addressed this
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issue three times since FICA was enacted:
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1. The payroll deductions of workers do not go into any pool or trust
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fund, "The proceeds of both (the employee and the employer) taxes are to be
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paid into the Treasury like other internal revenue generally, and are not
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earmarked in any way" Helvering v Davis, 301 US 619
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2.The court points out that payroll deductions of American workers are not
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payments on premiums for insurance of any kind, but are simply income taxes:
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"Eligibility for benefits..(does) not in any true sense depend on
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contributions through the payment of taxes." Fleming v Nestor. 363 US 609
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3. Furthermore, payments made by employers for each of their employees
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are not matching to be credited to the account of the employee, but
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constitute an excise tax on the employer's right to do business. Consequently,
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his so called "contributions" go directly into the general fund of the
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treasury and "are not earmarked in any way", Helvering v Davis 301 US 619.
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(Roger Comment. Corporations are created under two authorities. (1) For the
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public good. (2) In case of emergency. An example of a corporation under No.
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1 would be a newspaper. They keep us informed.hohoho.But they are still
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acting illegally. You do not have to incorporate to print a newspaper.You
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do have to incorporate to be controlled. A corporation under number two would
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be a shipbuilding corporation in time of war. The shipbuilding corporations
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charter would last only as long as the emergency lasted and if their charter
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lasted longer then the privilege was to be extended to everyone alike.
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Corporations were not included as persons in the framing of the 14th
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amendment. Any occupation that could be legally carried out at the time of
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the adoption of the Constitution are called common law occupations and the
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government cannot or should not license them. Being a corporation is not a
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common law occupation and is illegal and it is this eligibility for which
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they must pay a kickback to the government. It is a protection racket paid
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for by the people for the benefit of the corporate directors and share-
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holders)
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4. Workers participating in S.S. payroll deductions do not acquire any
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property rights or contractual rights through their payments as they would if
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they were paying on an insurance policy or contributing to an annuity plan.
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(Comment Roger. Congress is only to promote the general welfare,
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not provide it. S.S.schemes do harm in breaking up the family unit which is
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the foundation of every government. We pay for our own destruction)
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Simply put, there are no guarantees! The Congress has the power to deny
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benefits to citizens even though they have paid S.S. taxes. Also, the
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amount of benefits are changeable from year to year at the option of
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Congress. Fleming v Nestor, 363 U.S. 610
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5. Benefits granted under the S.S. are, therefore, not considered earned by
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the worker, but simply constitute a gratuity or a gesture of charity. As
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the court states: "Congress included in the original act, and has since
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retained, a claim expressly reserving to it the right to alter, amend or
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repeal any provision of the act." Fleming v Nestor supra. In effect, S.S.
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benefits are like pensions to be given or withheld at the discretion of
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Congress.
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6. Payroll deductions which a worker pays (a special kind of 'income tax')
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do nothing more than qualify him for consideration as a recipient of a
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charitable gift. His payments do not guarantee him anything. They do not
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guarantee the amount to be received, nor the duration of the gift. The
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Congress can alter or abolish the entire process at any time.
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7. From the Nestor case, Justice Hugo Black gave his dissenting opinion
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which stated that the whole S.S. thesis, as expounded by the majority of
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the court, is that the government is giving the participating citizen
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"something for nothing and Congress can stop doing so when it pleases."
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Since the government can not compel "voluntary contributions", then any
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employer of mine would be withholding my property on his own volition or
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authority. This is an act of illegal conversion/theft and no amount of
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arbitrary "commands" or coercion by the IRS can justify this act by an
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employer as it is unlawful and creates a cause of action for the employee.
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Brief on Status
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The most significant identity an individual can have is his status in the
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world of law, from his position and standing in relation to the state
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flows his entire capacity to do, create, and exist at his highest level.
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In the United States, a citizen has rights which are constitutionally
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guaranteed, not to be restricted by government. But there are natural
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rights and there are rights created by government (Comment Roger. Government
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cannot create rights), the difference being manifested in the status of the
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person in question. The natural rights, or rights at the common law, are
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those belonging to natural persons---those people who are citizens in the
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United States and who possess the power of political action. These inalienable
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rights of men, as the Declaration of Independence calls them, are absolute
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in our governmental system, not to be infringed or abridged by any office or
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process of the governing powers. Only natural persons or mortal man has
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political rights. These "institutional" powers are where we shall focus: the
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created rights held by subjects of franchise, or other privileges granted
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by the state, are of another nature and not in the same class with the
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rights of men.
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(Comment Roger. A "state" cannot grant privileges.A "state" does not exist
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without people. It is only the sovereign people that can grant privileges and
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then they can only grant "privileges" to "subjects". But the privileges can
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never never exceed the "rights" of the people. As the head of the Department of
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Banks & Banking told me several years ago---"powers not granted to the federal
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government are reserved to the states and if the power is not given to either
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the federal government or the states then it is reserved to the people."
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Therefore, she said, "states cannot extend credit but a group of people could
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if they were incorporated by the state". What incompetency we have in our
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public servants. How does this public servant, sworn to uphold and defend the
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Constitution, suppose that the legislators can create a corporation that has
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powers to extend credit when the state itself can not do it? All corporations
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are supposed to be public service corporations, if they do not serve the
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public then the legislature is not acting in the public interest and their
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acts are unlawful.In maine, the Constitution says that all laws shall be
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enacted in the name of the people and that corporations shall forever be
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subject to the "general" laws of the state.)
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All law in America is based on the status of the individual. All
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legislation, judicial actions, and administrative policy is based on status,
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for there are different classes of citizens and subjects. (For example, under
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the 14th Amendment, "equal protection" is applied to corporate "persons" as
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"citizens" even though, strictly speaking, they are simply subjects.)
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(Comment Roger. In the Framing of the 14th Amendment, corporations were not
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mentioned as being persons or citizens. One of the framers of the 14th was
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later in a court case involving a corporation and he told the court that they
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had included corporations as persons and it has been that way ever since.
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Corporations have "equal protection" as other corporations but only as far as
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their charter goes.They cannot exceed their charter and the legislature cannot
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create a charter and later on amend the charter to relieve the charger of its
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obligation. All banks in their original charters were to redeem their notes
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and were to keep a certain amount of gold and silver coin on hand to do so.
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Your state legislature has relieved these banks from their obligations and
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"should the privilege extend for any length of time then the privilege must
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be granted to all." Though a law be termed "general" and not special, it
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must be decided by the court as to whom it will apply. This is why, when
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court cases are cited as authority, you make sure that the "persons"
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involved are not corporations. If the "person" involved was a corporation
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then the case does not involve you and if they insist then you demand that the
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case be reopened so that you can examine all the evidence to be used against
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you.)
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The application of laws, or statutes, (as they really are only expressions
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of the law) is basically, unknown as to the fullest extent of their range.
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Only in individual cases can it truly be determined according to the facts
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surrounding the respective case.
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**
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[This document should pretty much speak for itself. My apologies to those
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who have seen it already.]
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>From: ateel@nyx.cs.du.edu (A. J. Teel)
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,misc.legal,talk.politics.guns,
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talk.politics.misc,alt.society.sovereign
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Subject: Post: "Revocation of Birth Certificate"
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Date: Sun, 30 May 93 04:19:19 GMT
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Dated: May 26, 1993 A. J. Teel, Sui Juris
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[address ommitted]
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Registry of Vital Records
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State Board of Health
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1330 West Michigan
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Indianapolis, Indiana Republic
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united States of America
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Postal Zone: 46206
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(317) 633-0100
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Johnson County Memorial Hospital
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Franklin, Indiana Republic
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united States of America
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Postal Zone: ?????-????
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(317) 736-3300
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Secretary of State of the Indiana Republic
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402 West Washington Street
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Indianapolis, Indiana Republic
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united States of America
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Postal Zone: ?????-????
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(317) 232-6531
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Social Security Administration
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Dorcas R. Hardy, Commissioner
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6301 Security Boulevard
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Baltimore, Maryland Republic
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united States of America
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Postal Zone: 21235/TDC
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Re: Revocation of Birth Certificate
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NUNC PRO TUNC REVOCATION OF CONTRACT
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AND REVOCATION OF POWER ASSEVERATION
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PREAMBLE
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I, A. J. Teel, Sui Juris, being natural born in Indiana, a male human
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being, now domiciled in Santa Clara County, California Republic, as a
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Sovereign Human Being, one of THE PEOPLE as mentioned in the Constitution
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*for* the united States of America indigenous to the land mass known as the
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several States, do hereby make this Special Appearance, by Declaration and
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Affidavit, in Propria Persona, proceeding Sui Juris, At Law, in Common
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Law, with Assistance, Special, neither conferring nor consenting to any
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foreign jurisdiction, and as one of THE PEOPLE, as mentioned in the
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Preamble to the Constitution *for* the United States of America, I
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willfully enforce all Constitutional limitations respectively on all
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governmental or quasi-governmental agencies when dealing with them.
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Wherefore, the undersigned Declarant and Affiant named herein and above,
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upon affirmation declares and evidences the following:
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I, the undersigned, a natural born free Sovereign Human Being, one of
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THE PEOPLE as mentioned in the Preamble to the Constitution *for* the
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united States of America indigenous to the land mass known as the several
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States, hereby affirm, declare and give notice:
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1. That I am competent to testify to the matters herein and will do so
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if called as a witness; and further
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2. That I have personal knowledge of my status and of the facts and
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evidence stated herein; and further
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3. That all the facts stated herein are not hearsay but true and
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correct, and admissible as evidence, if not rebutted; and further
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4. That I, A. J. Teel, Sui Juris, am of lawful age and am competent; I
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am a natural born free Sovereign Human Being now domiciled in the
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California Republic, and thereby in the united States of America, in fact,
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by right of heritage, am one of THE PEOPLE as mentioned in the Preamble to
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the Constitution *for* the united States of America indigenous to the land
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mass known as the several States and specifically the California Republic,
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am thereby protected by the Northwest Ordinance of 1787, the Organic Act of
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1849, the original Constitution *for* the Republic of California (1849),
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the Articles of Confederation (1777), the Constitution *for* the united
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States of America (1787) including its Preamble, and the Bill of Rights
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(1791) including its Preamble; and as such I retain all my fundamental,
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unalienable rights granted by God in positive law, embodied in the
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Declaration of Independence of 1776 and binding rights upon myself and my
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parentage, this day and for all time; and further
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5. That this Declaration and Affidavit has been prepared, witnessed
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and filed because the State of Indiana holds the position that there are no
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statutory provisions to rescind a Certificate of Birth, nor any trust or
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contractual obligations derived therefrom, and because there is no other
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remedy available to me At Law by which I can declare and enforce my right
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to be free from State enfranchisement and the benefits therefrom; and
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further
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6. That, on my birthday, July 31, 1965, at 1:27AM, I was born in the
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Johnson County Memorial Hospital (Hospital number 75796-B) in Franklin,
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Indiana as Anthony Joseph Vance to my parents, Joe Robert Vance and Vicki
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Lynn (Inman) Vance, who were both under the misconception that they were
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required to secure a Certificate of Birth on my behalf, and they did obtain
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the same; and further
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7. That my parents were not aware that, at the Common Law, births were
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to be recorded in the family Bible, and that only deaths were made a matter
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of public record; and further
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8. That during the year of 1971, I was adopted through the remarriage
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of my mother to David Paxton Teel and a new Certificate of Birth was issued
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as both my mother and adoptive father were under the misconception that
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they were required to secure a new certificate of Birth on my behalf, and
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they did obtain the same; and further
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9. That my parents were not aware that any certificate required by
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statute to be made by officers may, as a rule, be introduced into evidence
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(see Marlowe vs School District, 116 Pac 797) and, therefore, they were
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acquiescing to State requirements which violate my rights to privacy and
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the 4th Amendment protections under the Constitution *for* the united
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States of America, because the Certificate of Birth is the record of the
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State of Indiana, not of the individual, and the State may be compelled to
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introduce said record without my permission; and further
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10. That such statutory practices by the State of Indiana are
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deceitful misrepresentations by the State and society, on the recording of
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births, and my parents were unaware that a Certificate of Birth was not
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necessary, nor were they aware that they were possibly waiving some of my
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rights, which rights are unalienable rights guaranteed to me by the
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Constitution *for* the united States of America; and further
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11. That the doctor who delivered me acted as a licensed agent of the
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State of Indiana without the consent of either my own parents or myself,
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and offered me into a State trust to be regulated as other State and
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corporate interests and property as a result of that offer and acceptance,
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which comprises a fiction of law under statutory law (called contracts of
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adhesion, contracts implied by law, constructive contracts, quasi-
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contracts, also referred to as implied consent legislation); and further
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12. That, from my own spiritual beliefs and training, I have come,
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and I have determined that the right to be born comes, from the Creator --
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not the State of Indiana, California, the united States of America, nor any
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other governmental or quasi-governmental agency -- and therefore original
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jurisdiction upon my behavior requiring any specific performance comes from
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my personal relationship with the Creator, unless said performance
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causes demonstrable damage or injury to another natural human being; and
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further
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13. That, after studying the Certificate of Birth, I have come to the
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conclusions that the Birth Certificate creates a legal estate in myself,
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and acts as the nexus to bring actions against this individual as if he or
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she were a corporate entity, that the State of Indiana, in cooperation with
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the federal government and its agents and assigns, is maintaining the
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Certificate of Birth so as to assume jurisdiction over many aspects of my
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life in direct contravention of my unalienable rights and Constitutionally
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enumerated and secured rights to be a "Freeman" and to operate at the
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Common Law; and further
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14. That such statutory provisions also cause a loss or diminution
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(depending upon other statutory provisions) of rights enumerated and
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guaranteed by the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 9th amendments in the
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Constitution *for* the united States of America; and further
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15. That, as a result of my earnest and diligent studies, my prior
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ignorance has come to an end, and I have regained my capacity to be an
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American Freeman; therefore, it is now necessary that I declare any nexus
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assumed as a result of the Certificate of Birth, by the State of Indiana or
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by any of its agents and assigns, including the federal government, and any
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jurisdictional or other rights that may be waived as a result of said
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trust/contract with all forms of government, to be null and void from its
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inception, due to the deceptive duress, fraud, injury, and incapacity
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perpetrated upon my parents and myself by the State of Indiana, the third
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party to the contract to which I am not even a party; and further
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16. That I was neither born nor naturalized in the "United States" as
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defined in Title 26, United States Codes and, therefore, I am not subject
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to its foreign jurisdiction. See 26 CFR 1.1-1(b)-(c); and further
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17. That, with this revocation of contract and the revocation of
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power, I do hereby claim all of my rights, all of my unalienable rights and
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all rights enumerated and guaranteed by the Constitution *for* the united
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States of America, At Law, and do hereby declare, to one and all, that I am
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a free and independent Sovereign Human Being indigenous to the land mass
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known as the several States now who is not a creation of, nor subject to
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any State's civil law of admiralty, maritime, or equity jurisdictions; and
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further
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18. That I aver and affirm, under the Common Law of America, without
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the "United States" (see Article I, Section 8, Clause 17 and Article IV,
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Section 3, Clause 2 of the Constitution *for* the united States of
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America), that the Preamble and Sections 1 thru 17 of this Declaration and
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Affidavit, are true and correct and so done in good faith to the best of my
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knowledge; and further
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19. That my use of the phrase "WITH EXPLICIT RESERVATION OF ALL MY
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RIGHTS AND WITHOUT PREJUDICE UCC 1-207" above my signature on this document
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indicates: that I explicitly reject any and all benefits of the Uniform
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Commercial Code, absent a valid commercial agreement which is in force and
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to which I am a party, and cite its provisions herein only to serve notice
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upon ALL agencies of government, whether international, national, state, or
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local, that they, and not I, are subject to, and bound by, all of its
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provisions, whether cited herein or not; that my explicit reservation of
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rights has served notice upon ALL agencies of government of the "Remedy
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they must provide for me under Article 1, Section 207 of the Uniform
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Commercial Code, whereby I have explicitly reserved my Common Law right not
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to be compelled to perform under any contract or commercial agreement, that
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I have not entered into knowingly, voluntarily, and intentionally; that my
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explicit reservation of rights has served notice upon ALL agencies of
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government that they are ALL limited to proceeding against me only in
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harmony with the Common Law and that I do not, and will not accept the
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liability associated with the "compelled" benefit of any unrevealed
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commercial agreements; and that my valid reservation of rights has
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preserved all my rights and prevented the loss of any such rights by
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application of the concepts of waiver or estoppel;
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And Further This Declarant and Affiant Saith Not.
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Subscribed and affirmed to, Nunc Pro Tunc, on the date of my majority,
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which date was July 31, 1986.
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In accordance with the facts and evidence herein presented, I rescind and
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revoke Nunc Pro Tunc the Certificates or Certificates of Birth identified
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herein and demand that said rescission and revocation to confirmed in
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writing by the State of Indiana.
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Subscribed, sealed, affirmed, and presented on March 26, 1993.
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I now affix my signature to all of the declarations and affirmations herein
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WITH EXPLICIT RESERVATION OF ALL MY RIGHTS, AND WITHOUT PREJUDICE UNIFORM
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COMMERCIAL CODE ARTICLE 1, SECTION 207.
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_________________________________________________________________
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A. J. Teel, Sui Juris, by Special Appearance, in Propria Persona,
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proceeding Sui Juris, with Assistance, Special, with explicit reservation
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of all my unalienable rights and without prejudice to any of my unalienable
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rights.
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..............................................................................
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--
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With Explicit Reservation of All Rights (U.C.C. 1-207),
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Regards, -A. J. Teel-, Sui Juris (ateel@nyx.cs.du.edu).
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Finger for PGP 2.2 PUBLIC KEY BLOCK
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**
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[These are messages from the original Frog Farm message base which linked
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California, Michigan and various spots in between. They show Froggy at
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his best, equally entertaining and instructive.]
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20nov90 from Frog Farmer @ Garbanzo (CA)
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CLEAN HOUSE! SENATE TOO! VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENTS!
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Anti-incumbent sentiment is growing across the country. The
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government's shabby performance has revealed the true motivation
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behind politicians' actions: greed for power. Tax, tax! Spend, spend!
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Elect, elect! Even Georgie took up that slogan recently, in defence
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of his budget veto, but he did leave off the last part, elect, elect,
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for obvious reasons. He's afraid that after the election there might
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be a whole bunch of non-professional politicians installed who
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actually might act in the country's best interest. He has taken on
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the mantle of a higher authority than that; he is the vanguard of the
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"New World Order", a One - World Government run by those who run the
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money printing presses. It's no secret.
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And some of you are probably saying, "But hey, Frog Farmer! You
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said you don't even vote!" That's right! But then I don't have the
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same problems that everyone else does. I'm not a member of the
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participatory democracy, because I decided that my rights were better
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protected in the Republic, under the Constitution. I have
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Constitutional rights that prevent me from suffering the same problems
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that people who WAIVE those rights suffer, in order to "belong" to the
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privileged democracy. Rights and privileges are like day and night.
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Rights are stronger, and you must waive them to obtain privileges. It
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doesn't make sense. It's like the mouse figuring he should go for the
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cheese on the trap. Some mice know they don't need it... But, for
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the mouse who is going to take the bait, if he has the chance to vote
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on the spring pressure, and the flavor of cheese, he might as well
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vote in his long-term (however short it is) interest.
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quoting:b0b; "Are you saying that you used to vote, but quit when you
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discovered that it was ruining your life (to take the alcoholic
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analogy a bit further)."
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Exactly, b0b! When I found out the status to which voting
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subjected me, and the legal incapacities that it created, I realized
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that all those things I used to vote for (or against) could better be
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dealt with in my own personal life by my exercising of my rights, in
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court if need be. Now it makes little difference to me WHO is
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violating my rights, or under what PRETEXT (which are the two things
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you vote for).
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Voting is clear evidence that you have waived your rights to a
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Republican (not to be confused with the Party) Form of Government, and
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that form is the one under which Constitutional Rights are GUARANTEED.
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The reason it is clear proof is that there hasn't been an election
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held by the American Republic in our lifetimes, due to the majority
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acceptance of the lie that the 17th amendment was legally ratified. I
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reserve the right not to be held to obviously unconstitutional laws.
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If I were to waive that right, and others, then I could vote, and then
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I'd be legally bound to accept the outcome of the election, meaning
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that I'd have no right to challenge in court any of the legislation
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passed by my "representatives". Not to say that I still couldn't
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waste the time to go through the motions of a challenge, but the
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Supreme Court would no longer be available to me as a last resort,
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because I would have violated one of the Ashwander Rules which it
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spelled out as necessary to comply with if you want to be ASSURED that
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you will win in that Court. A lot of people are under the impression
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that going to court is a crap-shoot, and that you can't be assured of
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winning. How wrong they are! The Supreme Court itself issued the
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Ashwander Rules just so you'd know how to win! I like to win (it
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becomes a habit!), therefore I follow those eight rules. One of the
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rules tells me that I can't vote in democratic elections.
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My position is that if you are going to vote, vote out
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the incumbents. I don't actually recommend that you DON"T VOTE,
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unless you come to the realization that it is detrimental to your
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rights. This would presuppose that you are willing to take the other
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actions necessary (in the courtroom) to defend your rights in the face
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of government opposition to that exercise. Since few people are
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willing to go that far, I don't advise that people just stop voting.
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If they are going to retain the privileges of the democracy in favor
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of the Rights of the Republic, then they might as well exercise the
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privilege of voting. As I said before, a mouse that is bound and
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determined to attempt to receive the "benefit" of the mousetrap (the
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cheese) ought to vote on the flavor of the cheese and the spring
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pressure of the trap if he gets the opportunity. I find it ironic
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that people are afraid (or at least unwilling) to defend their
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liberties in the court, which is necessary for anyone bound and
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determined to exercise all his rights at all times, yet they will
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volunteer to be cooked like lobsters (the recent boiler room accident
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in the Persian Gulf) and otherwise subjected to possible DEATH for the
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benefit of "The New World Order". Please don't tell me that they are
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"defending our country". That is a bunch of hogwash. They are
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defending the right of international bankers to make a profit at any
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cost. The present Persian Gulf situation doesn't even have anything
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to do with "making the world safe for democracy"! I'd like to see a
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fraction of those brave young folks stand up to a tyrannical lower
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court judge with the same spirit of willingness to suffer that they
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exhibit in going to their deaths for the banks.
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quoting:Mad Mooney; "Is there any way I could vote, say, Socialist,
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Libertarian, Green, Anarchist, or anything I wanted if they weren't
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involved in the democracy?"
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If the Republic were truly observed, "statesmen" would be what
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you would be looking for, not parties. The Founding Fathers were
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really against the idea of political parties, and factions. They saw
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them as an evil aspect of democracy, where getting votes is all-
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important, not statesmanship.
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quoting Mad Mooney; "FF sez: "...therefore I follow those eight rules. One
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of the rules tells me that I can't vote in democratic elections.)"
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That's if I want to be able to challenge the 17th Amendment (and
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thereby Democracy) as being unconstitutional. Ashwander Rule 6:
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"The Court will not pass upon the constitutionality of a statute
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at the instance of one who has availed himself of its benefits. Great
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Falls Mfg. Co. v. Attorney General 124 US 581."
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90Jul19 from Frog Farmer @ Interface
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JB>> the opposition maintained that taxes would be assessed on the
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amount the silver was currently worth in FRNs and not on the fact that
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the 10,000 silver dollars was currency, used as such....<<
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Yes, sometimes the government and their feeding dependents want
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it both ways. Unfortunately, when something is built on a lie, it
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becomes harder and harder to make it conform to reality, and sooner or
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later, a phenomenon known as a "Catch-22" develops. See, when the
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government quit circulating silver, and substituted debt in it's
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place, the free market function caused silver to go up in relation to
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evidences of debt. But the government wanted to take advantage of
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this, and only count silver coins at their face value, so that when
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goons raided your place and seized your stash of silver coins, they
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would only credit you with the face value amounts of the coins seized,
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and could pay you back in FRNs, if they paid you back at all. So they
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take 500 dollars of silver, today available from coin shops in return
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for approximately 2500FRNs, and they replace it with only 500 FRNs.
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This law that enables this to happen says that all coins and
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currencies of the United States, whenever minted or coined, shall be
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accepted at face value. That's why some dumb clerks won't give you a
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sixpack of cola in return for one dollar of silver - the price of the
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cola is 1.29FRN (notice that "$" signs are no longer used on price
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tags), and they cannot see the obvious surplus value in your coined
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silver. Well, the same law helps you when you sell something. When
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you take silver coin, you are willing to lower your price accordingly,
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and legally that lowers the selling price and attendent taxes, doesn't
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it? - and the buyer can now pay less in property taxes, if those
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taxes are figured using the purchase price of the property.
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Debt was never, and can never, be declared to be the money of
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account of the United States. Money is not denominated in debt - Debt
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IS denominated in units of measurement called dollars, and those units
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measure whatever it is that is the money of account, not the ABSENCE
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OF the money of account (DEBT!)
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Thanks for raising that important point, Jim.
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90Aug02 5:54 pm from Frog Farmer @ Garbanzo
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Nombrist Beor @ Beach>> Also, Amendment #2: "...the right of the
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people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" which should also
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mean licensing is questionable at best, much less any sort of ban on
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weapons.<<
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Right! But what about those people who make themselves wards of
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the state by voluntary contract, and who depend upon government for
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their welfare? The nature of that contract, wherein rights are
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exchanged for privileges, gives the government the right to limit its
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wards access to firearms, much as a parent can do with their child.
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That's why it's important to maintain the status of a Free Man, as one
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of the People, rather than as a subject citizen under the 14th
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amendment. When you become a government subject, they have to take
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care of you the best that they can!
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Silver Ghost @ Beach>> I was taught in my Econ I class that every
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dollar the Gov't spends comes from somewhere (spending money you don't
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have is a logical impossibility).<<
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How about loaning money you don't have? Most commercial banks do
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that every day.
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SG>> However, the Fed is now issuing Gov't bonds in many cases. Bonds
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are essentially IOU's for gold,<<
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The Treasury, not the Federal Reserve, issues government bonds.
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Where do you get the idea that the bond's are IOU's for gold? How
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much gold do you think you will get for each dollar that the bond
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promises to pay?
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SG>>... but as long as everyone doesn't cash them in at the same time,
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they might as well be cash.<<
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And if everyone wanted to cash them at the same time, what would
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happen??
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Silver Ghost @ Thunder Island>> Say the gov't has $1 in the treasury,
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from taxes or whatever.<<
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What form does that tax dollar take? Doesn't it take the form
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of an "evidence of debt"? Being an evidence of debt, it cannot BE the
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money it promises to pay, CAN IT?
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SG>> Since OtherCorp took it, as if it were "real" cash, it might as
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well -be- cash.<<
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Except that no one takes debt instruments at par without a
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substantial discount, unless they are ignorant "suckers".
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SG>> Before you say "aha! it's a dangerous system that can fall apart
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at the slightest provocation"--well it's worked OK so far.<<
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Yeah, if you call all the Mid-west farm foreclosures and the S&L
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Crisis "working"!
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SG>> And I would point you to Vonnegut's book "Galapagos," in which
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everyone suddenly, all over the world, decides that trading paper and
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metal for real, useful, things is a silly idea, and no one accepts
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money anymore. (The result is that billions of people starve in the
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first month.)<<
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Equating trading metal (and warehouse receipts for actual metal
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in storage) and trading irredeemable paper is the "silly idea", since
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the two propositions have nothing in common.
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SG>> That's also possible. You can take it as far as you like:
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OtherCorp might say "why would I want this malleable yellow metal?
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Get this 'gold' stuff out of my face!"<<
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Yeah. When was the last time you saw that happen?!
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SG>> Let me anticipate one step further from FF & Co.: that the gold
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standard is traditionally the one used, and proven by time. Well, for
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several thousand years salt was the standard--perhaps we should go
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back.<<
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The fact is that according to our current laws, gold and silver
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still are the money of account of the United States. If you think it
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should be different, why not have the laws changed to suit you??
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90Aug29 12:03 am from Frog Farmer @ Interface
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Silver Ghost @ Beach>> This is a privilege which you cannot reject.<<
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You can choose not to accept ANY privilege. If a privilege is
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FORCED upon you, you may RECEIVE it, without ACCEPTING it, "without
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prejudice", reserving all your rights.
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SG>> Similarly, the cops and the judicial system keep killers off the
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streets--you can't reject this privilege either.<<
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First, I disagree with the idea that they keep killers off the
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streets (unless they are lucky enough to catch a killer AFTER he
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kills, and secondly, having police and a judicial system is not a
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government-granted privilege. It is a legitimate function of
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government to have both, and neither one is duty-bound to protect me
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as an individual. If it IS a privilege, it is surely one that I do
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not receive.
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SG>> There are more examples, but you get the idea. Now, for example,
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you can choose not to use the roads, and you shouldn't have to pay
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taxes on them if you so choose.<<
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The states all agreed that the roads shall be "forever free" (
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Northwest Ordinance). The only persons who can be required to pay for
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using the roads are those who use it in some commercial capacity.
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SG>> That's why Indiana has tollways. But most "gains" you receive
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from Uncle Sam can't be turned on and off that way.<<
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As I said, privileges that are forced upon you may be "received"
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but not "accepted", by reserving your rights "without prejudice". See
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Uniform Commercial Code Section 1-207.
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SG>> When we get to the point of "I don't like the things the government
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does for me," when the things you refer to are obligatory for all and
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cannot be refused--when you yourself admit "I wish the feds wouldn't
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protect me but I realize there's nothing to do about it"--you immediately
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lose your right to complain. At that point, there's nothing left to say
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but "If You Don't Like It, Get The Hell Out."<<
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I think you lose your right to complain when you make the
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admission that "there's nothing you can do about it." You seem to
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believe that is the truth, for you say that such things are
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"obligatory for all". I don't believe that ANYTHING is obligatory for
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all, except to not harm another's life, liberty, or property. All
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"benefits" can be rejected, because it is receiving a benefit that
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obligates a person, and being obligated against your will to specific
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performance without your agreement and understanding seems to me to
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violate your right to contract (or not contract) guaranteed by the
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Constitution.
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When you say, "If You Don't Like It, Get The Hell Out", I agree,
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as long as what you are talking about is NOT the continental
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boundaries of this nation, but the Particapatory Democracy that you
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found yourself in when you came to your senses and wanted the Republic
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that was your birthright. There is no need to leave your homeland -
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just get out of the status that you detest.
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90Sep05 11:58 pm from Frog Farmer @ Interface
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Silver Ghost @ Arcadia>> You are not "obligated against your will" to
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accept the protection of the U.S. Army (/Navy/Air Force/Marines). You
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sign the contract by residing on U.S. soil.<<
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First of all, the Constitution forbids having a standing army, and
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I've not seen an amendment changing that, so I have to assume that
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those armed forces are benefits of being in the particapatory
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democracy, not part of our Constitutional Republic.
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Secondly, the people came first, the government came second, and
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there is no nebulous "obligation" to do anything other than obey the
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laws that apply to you in your particular status.
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Thirdly, "residing" has a particular legal definition different
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from the commonly accepted street meaning. Which way are you meaning
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it?
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SG>> You can "reject" this all you like, and claim that you're doing
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this by rejecting the "status" instead of the "geographic boundaries."
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That doesn't fly. You're playing dumb, pretending that Communists
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will invade the U.S. tomorrow, but only kill the people without Social
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Security cards.<<
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What are you trying to say in regard to "geographic boundaries"?
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Are you trying to attach a Federal jurisdiction to all the land lying
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within the U.S. borders? If so, you are in error. Federal
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Territorial jurisdiction is specifically limited within the areas of
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the states to only certain prescribed areas.
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As far as Communists invading the U.S. tomorrow, I don't recall
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ever saying that I believed such a thing. You must be inferring that
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also. I really don't believe invasion is immenent, but if it was to
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happen, in fact they probably WOULD kill persons who did not produce a
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SS Card.
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Invasion by Communists has little to do with anything I've been
|
|
talking about. The problems I address here did not always exist in
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this country, but the country still had the capacity to defend itself
|
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without the use of phony fiat money systems and unconstitutionally-
|
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applied laws. I sympathize with what appears to be a sincerely-held
|
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patriotic belief on your part, but I can't understand your position.
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What are you getting at, specifically?
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SG>> By the fact of your being on this soil, you owe a debt. You can
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argue out of that six ways to Sunday--and probably will, if my guess
|
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is correct--by saying that money is unreal, the government is unreal,
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the debt is unreal, and obligation is unreal.<<
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Sure, all those things are unreal, but I don't have to rely on
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|
that for my argument that I don't owe any debt or obligation for
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merely existing here. I was born here. That gives me RIGHTS. The
|
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Supreme Court has said that I owe no obligation or debt to the state (
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it is called the "Hale doctrine", from the case Hale v. Henkel, quoted
|
|
and cited earlier). They seem to conflict with your appraisal of the
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|
situation, and I feel safer agreeing with the highest court in the
|
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land instead of your vague decree that I owe a debt.
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Silver Ghost>> But ethically, you owe a debt. If you don't want to
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sign the contract, hitchhike to the border.<<
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Right! America, love it or leave it! Well, I love it. That's why
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I don't want to see it screwed up by ENEMIES from within who twist the
|
|
meaning of everything to suit them. Your emotional argument is grand,
|
|
but meaningless to me. You point out some LAWFUL basis for what you
|
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are saying, and I'll listen, but relying strictly on emotion, or life
|
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"as seen on TV" is not going to convince me of anything. Where is
|
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this contract you speak of? Where are the terms made plain? And
|
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where do I sign?
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SG>> I wish you no harm--but I don't feel the slightest obligation to
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you. Let's put it this way. If I rescued you from the path of an
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onrushing train, and then learned of your beliefs regarding social
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contracts, I would feel cheated and might consider putting you back.
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<<
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I think now I understand your position - not your reasoning, but
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your position. Anyone not agreeing with you should die. I'm not that
|
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extreme in my views. All I require is that those with a different
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outlook not infringe upon my life, liberty, or property. Which one of
|
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us more closely represents the views of our Founding Fathers? By the
|
|
way, I am no anarchist. What did I say that caused you to assume that
|
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I was an anarchist?
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SG>> Oh yeah--a warning to the more impressionable of you. Don't let
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anyone fast-talk you into giving up "restrictions" you don't need,
|
|
like citizenship, taxes, and draft registration...<<
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Citizenship, taxes, and draft registration. Well, the "title" of
|
|
citizen didn't exist for anyone in this country until after the 14th
|
|
amendment. Everyone was considered to be part of the "national
|
|
citizenry", but the term "U.S. Citizen" only came into being with the
|
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14th amendment, and it was a separate distinct status for those
|
|
"subject to the (admiralty)jurisdiction". Taxes - there are thousands
|
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of different ones, and no single tax is owed by every single living
|
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individual. Different persons may owe different taxes, or none, and
|
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as I said, everyone should pay those that they legally owe, but only a
|
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fool would volunteer to pay every single one of all the thousands of
|
|
existing taxes, if they did not apply to him. What taxes a person
|
|
pays is to be determined by each individual person, not by general
|
|
consensus. Draft registration - there's a law requiring all males
|
|
over 18 to register, and I did so. But being drafted is another
|
|
proposition entirely, and that's something that not everyone knows.
|
|
All draftees were coerced into volunteering,(by "taking one step
|
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forward, raising their right hand", and taking the oath of induction)
|
|
since NO law can REQUIRE you to waive a right, and rights certainly
|
|
are waived by those entering the military, are they not?
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Silver Ghost>> you might want to consider how much you value the
|
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complementary "restrictions" like medical care, unemployment
|
|
insurance, protection from nuclear weapons, the roads, the sewers...
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<<
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Complementary? Medical care, and unemployment insurance are
|
|
definitely trappings of the democracy, not the republic. Protection
|
|
from nuclear weapons - there is no such thing. Look at the USSR and
|
|
their underground public shelter system, and then compare it to ours
|
|
(non-existent). What protection is there from nuclear weapons? SDI
|
|
is still on the drawing boards, but even that will let some get
|
|
through. Talk to the people around Hanford, Washington about their
|
|
protection from nuclear weapons! The Hanford area is now being
|
|
compared to Chernobyl.
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|
Roads and sewers? Are we now to thank Washington D.C. for
|
|
those? My God! Next you'll have me believing that life on Earth
|
|
itself would stop if it weren't for the tireless bureaucrats in
|
|
Washington, D.C.! Don't tell me! - the air we breathe would have
|
|
disappeared long ago had it not been for the Environmental
|
|
Protection Agency!
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Don't go away sore, Silver Ghost! I know that the sacred cows I
|
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gore are dear to many, but someone has to do it! And I don't
|
|
belittle your choice to defend your democracy - just don't try to
|
|
pass it off as our "American System" created by the Constitution.
|
|
It is an alien system "permitted" by the Constitution, but not
|
|
authorized by it, and it is not mandatory upon all inhabitants of
|
|
this country - just those who can be persuaded to volunteer to join
|
|
into it. That's all I'm trying to point out - that we have a choice
|
|
to be either self-governing Freemen, or dependent subjects in a
|
|
socialist welfare state. And both systems can co-exist within the
|
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national boundaries.
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