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>Have you tried LSD: yes __ no __
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Yes, 10 or more times.
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>Have you had a bad trip on LSD: yes __ no __
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Yes, once -- image in my head was that an oil well was about to explode,
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unleashing all the stuff about myself that I did not want to know. It was
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taking all my strength to keep the well from blowing. I finally took 500
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mgs of niacinamide to abort the trip (took about an hour to abort).
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The bad trip could have been predicted, given my state at the time.
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>Have you experienced flashbacks: yes __ no __
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Not in the "traditional" (bad) sense. I have had dreams in which I
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have taken psychedelics and have experienced identical effects to normal
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waking reality while under the influence of psychedelics. I can't recall
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ever having a flashback while awake.
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>Did you feel that the bad trip and flashback were connected: yes __ no __
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No.
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|Have you tried LSD: yes
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|Have you had a bad trip on LSD: no
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|Have you experienced flashbacks: see below
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|Did you feel that the bad trip and flashback were connected: n/a
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I have tripped on acid about 20 times and 'shrooms twice. All of my trips
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were (mostly) pleasant and enjoyable. I haven't had any flashbacks in the
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classic sense -- i.e. whoosh!!! I feel like I'm trippin' again, but certain
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pieces of music that I've listened to while tripping give me the 'warm
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fuzzies' whenever I hear them now, which is fine by me! On a related note,
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I find I can sort of induce that trippy/hallucinatory feeling when I stare
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at something for a while. I don't think this has anything to do with drugs
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per se -- only the fact that most people can put themselves in a frame of
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mind that they have been in before...
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Yes I've tried LSD -- I've had over 50 hits, total. Maximum at once was 9.
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Bad trips: I've been highly miserable and sick for most of several trips,
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notably the 9-trip above. Same FUCKING thoughts running around in your head
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for hours, sick with guilt for the miserable life I'm too tripped to
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realize I don't actually have, etc,etc. No blood gushing from the walls
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or insects under the skin or anything. Lots of loneliness, when bad
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tripping (in this manner) alone.
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Flashbacks, no. If I concentrate I can remember ... not a taste, exactly,
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but a sort of state of my mouth and nose that corresponds to tripping.
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Somewhere in between a feeling and a taste. Also, if I concentrate, I
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can see 2-d tiling hallucenations and some colors-that-aren't-there at the
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edges of things. Actually, it doesn't take any concentration at all for
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the latter, but the 2-d tilings require either concentration on the level of
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simple self-hypnosis or sleep deprivation. I look at the ceiling now, and
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I see red and yellow tints to the crinkly dark things. (Acoustic tile --
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the crinkly dark things are real.) I wonder why they're red and yellow,
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and not some other color. The cracks between the keys on my keyboard are
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red and green.
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These colors are all hallucenation, but it's hard for me to say whether they're
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because of the acid. They're very slight. The question is, whether acid
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taught me what hallucenations look like, so now I see them where I previously
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hadn't, or if I'm permanently affected in some way by the acid.
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Naturally I favor the first theory...
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-stevea@geom.umn.edu
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(If you feel that this is interesting, please feel free to cut and post.
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Credit me, I hate being anonymous.)
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>Have you tried LSD: yes X_ no __
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In excess of 100 times, seriously. I used to trip at least
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once a week for over two years.
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>Have you had a bad trip on LSD: yes __ no X_
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No. The worst experience was on six hits of microdot one
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4th of July. It was bad only in that I was up for over 48
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hours and I was simply bored of being high! It was quite
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interesting for a time, though.
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Almost without exception, tripping was, for lack of a better
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word, fun.
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>Have you experienced flashbacks: yes __ no X_
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Never.
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>Did you feel that the bad trip and flashback were connected: yes __ no __
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Not applicable.
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Of course, all the above occurred during the Carter administration, so
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if set and setting have anything to do with it...
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Have you tried LSD: yes
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Have you had a bad trip on LSD: yes
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Have you experienced flashbacks: yes
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Did you feel that the bad trip and flashback were connected: yes
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Flashbacks largely came from moments/scenarios/visions which went out of
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control as part of bad trips, so there is something to your hypothesis.
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I don't think it's quite as simple a causal relation ("bad trip" -->
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"flashbacks") but certainly the emotional intensity of a bath in terror
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seems positively correlated with the subsequent intermittent return of
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certain images afterwards.
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Have you tried LSD: yes X no __
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Have you had a bad trip on LSD: yes __ no X
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Have you experienced flashbacks: yes __ no X
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Did you feel that the bad trip and flashback were connected: yes N/A no N/A
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>Have you tried LSD: yes XX no __
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>Have you had a bad trip on LSD: yes __ no XX
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>Have you experienced flashbacks: yes __ no XX
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> Privacy is as insured as is possible on the net--names will be
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> promptly deleted off the computer system here and will not be kept in any
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> other way:
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Thank you.
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> Have you tried LSD: yes __ no __
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Yes, several times.
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> Have you had a bad trip on LSD: yes __ no __
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Nope.
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> Have you experienced flashbacks: yes __ no __
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Yes.
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> Did you feel that the bad trip and flashback were connected: yes __ no __
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N/A.
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> Also, if you could explain your answers in a little greater detail (ie.
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> explaining what the bad trip was like, or explaining the flashback, etc)
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> that would be appreciated, but not neccesary.
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Well, it seems to me that your notion of flashbacks is different that
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what most lsd users experience. I've never heard of anyone having a
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flashback that was anything like the height of LSD intoxication. The
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first flashback I experienced was when I was walking along a hall at
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work overlooking a parking lot, and I suddenly noticed that all the
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cars in the parking lot were machines. I know it doesn't sound like
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much, but it was so startling I had to stop and look. It was as if
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all the advertising and marketing and desire that surround automobiles
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in our society was stripped away, and I saw lumps of metal and plastic
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with engines, and I felt like I was seeing a parking lot full of those
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old steam-engined tractors that were used to thresh grain in the old
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days. So it wasn't an unpleasant experience at all, and I didn't have
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any visual distortions. But cognitively, it reminded me very much of
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LSD intoxication. I've had similar experiences since, at a rate of
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one every couple of months, but none were as striking to me as that
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first one.
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Hunter Thompson, who would certainly have whatever flashbacks are to
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be had, said "And where are those flashbacks they've been promising us
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all these years?".
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My experience is pretty much along the lines of what most LSD users
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report, as documented in "Licit and Illicit Drugs", at least.
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Carry on,
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1. Yes. 1 hit about 5 times, 2 hits once.
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2. Kind-of. A couple of times,, I felt as if I was about to slip into
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a bad trip, but got myself out of it.
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3. Yes. I'm color-blind, and my English teacher had a green and red tie on.
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Focusing in and out would make the colors change a little, and pulsate.
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Next thing, I was looking around, and everything had a grid on it, like
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graph paper. This happened maybe two or three times.
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4. No.
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>Have you tried LSD:
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Yes.
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>Have you had a bad trip on LSD:
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No.
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>Have you experienced flashbacks:
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No.
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>Did you feel that the bad trip and flashback were connected:
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N/A
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>Have you tried LSD: yes x_ no __
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>Have you had a bad trip on LSD: yes __ no x_
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>Have you experienced flashbacks: yes __ no x_
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>Did you feel that the bad trip and flashback were connected: yes __ no __
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I've taken acid about eight times some years ago now. All of the trips
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were pleasant although at one stage I remember getting a little
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paranoid but I easily managed to talk myself out of it.
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I've never had a flashback. Sometimes I've seen a pattern that reminds
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me of something that I saw while tripping. Then again, sometimes I
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see something that reminds me of Italy; if I hadn't been there, I'd
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never have recognised that aspect of it.
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Never used LSD. Plenty of my friends did, however. They
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never complained of ill effects.
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>Have you tried LSD: yes x no __
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>Have you had a bad trip on LSD: yes __ no x
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>Have you experienced flashbacks: yes __ no x
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>Did you feel that the bad trip and flashback were connected: no idea!
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I have taken LSD hundreds of times. I have not really had
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a "bad" trip per-se, more like boring. I have never had a flashback.
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>Have you tried LSD: yes
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>Have you had a bad trip on LSD: yes
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>Have you experienced flashbacks: no
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>Did you feel that the bad trip and flashback were connected: N/A
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>Also, if you could explain your answers in a little greater detail (ie.
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>explaining what the bad trip was like, or explaining the flashback, etc)
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>that would be appreciated, but not neccesary.
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I was with 5 friends and they were dancing, having fun with loud dance music
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and a red light bulb on. Everyone was otherwise complaining that the hits
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weren't causing hallucinations or a 'trip' as it had been described to them.
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I felt the blood rushing through my body and everyone's faces kept changing
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shape slightly. I felt completely alone and alienated. They were asking me
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to take my roommates hits (which I had saved for him) for us so they could
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intensify the experience. I was so upset that no one was experiencing what
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I was and couldn't share it with me. My friend and I kept staring at pictures
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and each other's faces enjoying what we were feeling. I realized how no two
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people have the same experiences in life and are probably never thinking the
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exact same thing. I became very pessemistic about love and subsequently
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friendships. We come into the world alone and leave it that way. I should
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depend on nobody except myself for happiness. I though of my existentialism
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class and understood how pain/hurt and chaos were things to look forward to in
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life because they taught a lesson. I began crying and became very insecure.
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I ran to a friends room and sat in the corner talking to them. I had to keep
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my back to the corner in the room so that I could see everyone there.
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I wouldn't let anyone touch me because the feeling of warm skin scared me
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and reminded me that people are individualized (in different bodies and
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though processes). I had to keep touching the wall behind me to remind myself
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that I was against something concrete. I couldn't stop talking or else I'd
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be scared of being 'alone forever.' I wasn't making coherent sense... I was
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making sentences but I couldn't finish them because my mind was cluttered
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with random thoughts. I thought of all my friends in the room I had left
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and how I could no longer relate to them. I saw them as completely selfish,
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defensive, insecure and followers (as opposed to leaders). They were all so
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shallow that they had to party and dance and have fun instead of having
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meaningful discussions. I went back to the room and there was toilet paper
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everywhere (20 rolls at least unleashed) and the record player was playing a
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record slower than normal speed so that it sounded very evil! Everyone there
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was crying or screaming or running out. I didn't care about anyone at the time.I felt that my friends were using me and didn't care about me. I saw through
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so many pretentions at that moment. I thought of past loves that had failed
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or had been unsuccessful and cried some more. Everyone was suddenly quiet and
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nobody would respond to me or look at me. Everyone was trapped in their own
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little world. I couldn't find anything I owned in the room (shoes, jacket,
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wallet) and I decided that I didn't want any physical/material possesions
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anymore. I was going to destroy all social conventions and be myself.
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We took a walk and had Japanese food. Came home, talked to some friends and
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went to sleep.
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If you'd like to know anything else, feel free!
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I can't say I've ever had a flashblack or a real "bad" trip.
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Today I was seeing very light trails occasionaly. Considering I tripped four
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days ago... but I never saw actual colors/patterns that shouldn't be there.
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While under the red light, to this day, I see slight trails.
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Smoking a lot of pot also brings some of it. I'd like to trip on 2 or 3 hits
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next to see what happens afterward.
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"Uncontrollable flashbacks" means that occasionally they relive a
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part of their trips, and cannot return to the "real" world, for up to two
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minutes. The both have had bad trips.
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Please note well that I have never tried LSD and that I am
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reporting only what I've been told.
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I reiterate that I have not experienced any such thing. However,
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one of the friends that I was talking about actually left me in spirit for
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about two minutes by my watch. I do not know a better way to put it than
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"he left me in spirit," and he couldn't explain it well (or I don't
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remember). You may also quote this, in whole or in part etc... 8^).
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"Debilitating": I do know that if my friend I referred to above
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had had to respond to a crisis, he would almost certainly have been unable
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to.
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Anything else I can tell you, I will.
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1) yes 2)no 3)yes 4)n/a
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Have you tried LSD: yes _X no __
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Have you had a bad trip on LSD: yes _X no __
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Have you experienced flashbacks: yes __ no _X
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Did you feel that the bad trip and flashback were connected: yes __ no _X
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Between January 1972 and 1976 or so, I tried LSD about 80 times. I
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had exactly one "bad trip". I had been used to doing LSD frequently
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during my first summer of experimentation. After having not used
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it at all for for 4 months, in January 1973, somebody gave me a
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"4-way" dose which I consumed all at once. The resulting trip was,
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not unsurprisingly, intense. I lost touch with reality to the point
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that I felt I could cause things to happen just by thinking about
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them. I also said things based on my false view of reality that I was
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embarrassed about later. My friends just drove me around until I came
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down, chagrined. There were no repercussions. Sorry about the
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sketchy details, but hey -- this happened 18 years ago.
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>Have you tried LSD: yes x_ no __
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>Have you had a bad trip on LSD: yes x_ no __
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>Have you experienced flashbacks: yes x_ no __
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>Did you feel that the bad trip and flashback were connected: yes __ no x_
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>Also, if you could explain your answers in a little greater detail (ie.
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>explaining what the bad trip was like, or explaining the flashback, etc)
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>that would be appreciated, but not neccesary.
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>From my experiences (the memory is hazy, since I haven't taken any in about
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10 years, but I did take it quite frequently back then) what I would call
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a "bad trip" would be a combination of impurities in the dose leading to
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unpleasant physical side-effects (headaches, stomach ache, etc) or simply
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the trip lasting too long (that's mainly why I stopped). A bad trip would
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be wishing the experience would end, because of being in a bad setting, etc.
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I concluded that the bad trips were due to impurities because of the contrast
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with what I believed to be pure stuff, when I had trips I thouroghly enjoyed
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and suffered few if any side effects (other than tiredness after it wore off).
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It could all be a result of my frame of mine or setting, but I'm not convinced
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of that. The few flashbacks a had weren't unpleasant, were momentary, and
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stopped about a week after the trip. Typically some object I'm looking at
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would momentarily become very bright, or I would imagine seeing something
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improbable out of the corner of my eye.
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I hope that is helpful.
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
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Message-ID: <1991Apr29.010351.5650@milton.u.washington.edu>
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Date: 29 Apr 91 01:03:51 GMT
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Have you tried LSD: yes XX no __
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Have you had a bad trip on LSD: yes __ no XX
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Have you experienced flashbacks: yes XX no __
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Did you feel that the bad trip and flashback were connected: Not Applicable
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Y,Not very,N,N
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The only unpleasant part of the experiences was on the first, when my
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pulse was about 160/min at the onset, for no apparent reason. I kept
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track of it, and seeing that it didn't get any worse and began to slow
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after a while, sat back and enjoyed myself. On the whole, very worthwhile,
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though exhausting.
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1 yes (usage)
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2 yes ("bad trip")
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3 no ("flashback")
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4 n/a
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I used acid/mescaline/mushrooms occasionally, starting in my senior year
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of high school (class of '72). I can't say I had any truly traumatic
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experiences, but any negative feelings are enhanced. I remember feeling
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incredibly self conscious, as if everyone was looking into me, at
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a party...up to the point of paranoia, I guess. I think I just snuck
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out and sat outside (it was cold out) until I was frrreezing, then came
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back in and just sat in a chair and tried to "look comfortable". People's
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faces were characatures of themselves...there were only a couple of
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people I knew, so that didn't help. The only thing that helped was
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the music; Hendrix was there, (I was able to "see" music sometimes) so
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I felt better.
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Social gatherings were the one thing that seemed to cause bad experiences
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for me (I still hate parties).
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>As usual I'm looking for any excuse not to do my homework. I've also just
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>been sitting here wondering if there is any kind of connection between
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>flashbacks and bad trips. I tend to support the idea that flashbacks are
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>generally caused by bad trips. In order to see if this idea floats at
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>all (and to avoid the dreaded homework) here is one of the worlds shortest
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>questionnaires. I'd like anyone whose tried LSD to take this questionnaire
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>and reply to me (via e-mail only please). I will then post results to the
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>net. Privacy is as insured as is possible on the net--names will be
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>promptly deleted off the computer system here and will not be kept in any
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>other way:
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>Have you tried LSD: yes __ no __
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Yes, many times. (if I hadn't this survey would be deconstructed)
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>Have you had a bad trip on LSD: yes __ no __
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No, not once.
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>Have you experienced flashbacks: yes __ no __
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No, never.
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>Did you feel that the bad trip and flashback were connected: yes __ no __
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Only in that they were both nonexistent.
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>Also, if you could explain your answers in a little greater detail (ie.
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>explaining what the bad trip was like, or explaining the flashback, etc)
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>that would be appreciated, but not neccesary.
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>For the purpose of this survey a bad trip is not an upset stomach, I'm
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>looking for something a little more traumatic than that.
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>I'm not in any way trying to be scientific about this, its just one of
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>those things thats interested me for awhile.
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