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From: agaluhn@pomona.claremont.edu
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Subject: Re: The Ipomoea family [Tragedy]
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Message-ID: <0096F627.EF7C666E@pomona.claremont.edu>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1993 17:29:48 GMT
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In article <21rhkd$nmi@shrike.und.ac.za>, meyer@shrike.und.ac.za (Kevin Meyer) writes:
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>Can anyone tell me anything useful about the potential uses of that strain of
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>morning glory known as Ipomoea Palmata?
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Well, unfortunately, _The_Botany_and_Chemistry_of_Hallucinogens_ doesn't list
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this particular strain. This edition is 13 years old though, so its possible
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that Palmata is a synonym for something they do talk about. The horticultural
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morning glories they talk about that contain LAA's are:
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Heavenly Blue, Pearly Gates, Flying Saucers, Wedding Bells, Summer Skies, and
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Blue Stars.
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Those may all just be different kinds of Tricolor, I don't know. As far as
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species names, for the Ipomea's and related plants they list:
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Ipomea Tricolor (= Ipomea Violacea = Ipomea Rubrocaerulea)
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and
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Turbina Corymbosa (the original Mexican morning glories, "ololuiqui"), which is
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sometimes also called Rivea Corymbosa and Ipomoea sidaefolia.
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At the end of the book there's a list of plants of alleged hallucinogenic
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effects, for which no suitable studies had yet been done. Lots of Ipomea's on
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this list:
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I. argyrophylla
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" batatas
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" hederacea
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" muricata
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" nil
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" pharbitis
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" pupurea
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Again, palmata is not on this list. Couldn't hurt to try, though. Let us know
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what happens, OK?
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peace, tony
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I need a new sig.
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
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From: dale@unislc.slc.unisys.com (Dale Clark)
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Subject: Morning Glory Seeds & Nutmeg
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Message-ID: <1993May11.152805.16193@unislc.slc.unisys.com>
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 15:28:05 GMT
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The following is from several sources, but the primary source is called
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"The Encyclopedia of Psychotropic Drugs.":
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BTW, If I'm posting repeats of FAQs already researched, or wasting
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people's time, tell me and I'll be glad to stop researching and
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posting this material. I don't want to waste bandwidth on something
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which has already been analyzed or is well known.
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Lysergic acid occurs in several substances called 'ergot
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alkaloids' found in members of the 'Convolvulaceae' (morning glory)
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family. Especially 'Rivea corymbosa' and 'Ipomoea violacea'. Both of these
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are cultivated in many horticultural varieties. In this form, they are
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only 5 to 10% as potent as LSD.
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To reach hallucinatory effects comparable to 200 to 300 micrograms
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of LSD (a 4 to 14 hour experience), a person would have to ingest
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100 to 300 morning glory seeds. The seeds can be ground up and ingested
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like a tea, chewed, or swallowed whole.
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The Aztec indians called the species 'Rivea corymbosa' the
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name: 'oloiuqui' and used it frequently in various rituals. Mexican indians
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also used the seeds to diagnose illnesses and fortell various future
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events.
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To discourage use today, commercial seed producers treat the
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seeds with a poisonous coating which cannot be removed by washing. The
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effects from this coating cause nausea, comiting and severe abdominal
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pain. Extremely high doses cause psychotic reactions, heart failure,
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and shock. I personally feel this is terrible. To attempt to stop
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the usage of drugs by poisoning people is ridiculous!
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First of all, the obvious reason why someone might use
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these seeds instead of LSD: they're legal. Second, I've never heard of
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them causing coma. Some info from the Psychedelic Encyclopedia, yet
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again: "When the Conquistadores subdued the Aztecs, early chroniclers
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recorded that the Indians made religious and medicinal use of peyote,
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another psychoactive plant called tlitliltzin, and a small lentil-like
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seed called ololiuqui. The third, alleged to have been used also for
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purposes of divination, came from a vine known in the Nahuatl language
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as coaxihuitil (or `snakeplant')."
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Let me paraphrase some more. Illustrations from the Florentine
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Codex suggested that coaxihuitil was a member of the morning glory
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family. Though this family (Convolvulaceae) has over 500 species all
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over the globe, they seem to have been used for their psychoactive
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properties only in the New World.
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In 1959, the ethnobotanist Richard Schultes sent samples of a cultivated
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Mexican morning glory, Turbina corymbosa, to Albert Hoffman, the
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discoverer of LSD. Schultes had seen it used by a Zapotec shaman. In 1960,
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Hoffman analyzed the seeds and said they contained ergot-like alkaloids.
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This was hard for people to believe since previously such chemicals had
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only been found in the rye fungus Claviceps purpurea (ergot). But
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Hoffman was right; the seeds contained d-lysergic acid amide. This
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differs from LSD only in that it has a NH2 where LSD has a N(C2H5)2, but
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LSD is some 50 to 100 times as potent. The morning glory Turbina
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corymbosa's seeds also have other psychoactive alkaloids in
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them: d-isolysergic acid amide, chanoclavine, elymoclavine, and lysergol.
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In 1960, Don Thomes MacDougall reported that seeds of another morning
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glory, Ipomoea violacea were used as sacraments by certain Zapotecs,
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sometimes with the Turbina corymbosa seeds and sometimes not. This
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morning glory species is the one with familiar varieties in America:
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Heavenly Blue, Pearly Gates, Flying Saucers, Blue Star, Summer Skies and
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Wedding Bells. (Does anyone one know if the more cosmic names are
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allusions to the psychedelic properties of the seeds? The idea of
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"flying saucer seeds" is pretty funny.) The Ipomoea
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violacea has the same psychoactive compounds in it except with
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ergometrine instead of lysergol. Ergometrine has strong
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uterus-stimulating properties so it's a really bad idea for pregnant
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women to eat these seeds. Also, these seeds are supposed to be bad for
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people with liver problems (e.g. jaundice, hepatitus). These seeds are
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called badoh negro down in South America, since they are black, and some
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people think these were the mysterious tlitliltzin, which is the Nahuatl
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word for "black" with a reverential suffix.
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Anyway, nothing about "comas".
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Do NOT experience the nausea.
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Take 1 teaspoon of FRESH GINGER before eating the seeds.
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--
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jjj@mits.mdata.fi Mind Heart No Me
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jjj@niksula.hut.fi Difference Destruction Death You
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The substances that cause a lot of the sickness in morning glory
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seeds are essential oils that are irritants. These can be removed by
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ligroin (Zippo lighter fluid fits the bill greatly.). The ligroin would
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be evaporated then the seeds would be soaked in methanol or ethanol.
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The alcohol evaporated and the leftover residue would be consumed. This is not
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a hazardous nor particularly dangerous precedure except for flammability.
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The active constituents are largely lysergic amides but also include
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chanoclavine, a tricyclic ergoloid which has the ring that contains the
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carboxyl opened. This is the biosynthetic precursor to the lysergoids.
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Chanoclavine is reported to be psychoactive in man, although the studies
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of its action are paultry (Experientia 16, 414 (1960), Albert Hofmann).
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Also it's presence hasn't actually been confirmed in the morning glory
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species in question, I. violaceae (tricolour), but in Rivea corymbosa.
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But it's presence in R. corymbosa should be a hint that it is also in I.
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violaceae because in R. Corymbosa it is a precursor to an alkaloid that
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has been confirmed in I. violaceae as well.
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St. Anthony
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/ N \ O I don't need God!
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| \ | || Ph All I need is an amoeba!
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\ / / Ph St. Anthony | aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu
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asuncion@ac.dal.ca writes:
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>> Does anyone know with certainty which varieties of morning glory
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>> seeds (in addition to Heavenly Blue) are psychoactive? Was
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>> Heavenly Blue the only variety used among the Aztecs?
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all garden varieties of morning glory are of the species Ipomoea tricolor,
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also known as Ipomoea violacea.
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according to Wasson in "The Present Status of Ololiuhqui and Hallucinogens of
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Mexico,"(Botanical Museum Leaflets, Harvard University, Vol. 20, No. 6, Nov. 22,
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1963, pp. 161-212) the species identified as Ololiuhqui(the Native Mexican(he
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doesnt say whether theyre Aztecs) name for the plant we's all talkin' about) is
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Rivea Corymbosa, "a morning glory" he says.
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Ololiuhqui is probably what youre talking about, as it's fairly well-known and
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is the plant from which Hoffman isolated the active amides.
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However, later in the article, Wasson says that in another part of Mexico,
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"the Zapotec area," another related plant is used for the same purpose, and is
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known as Tlitliltzen(don't ask me to pronounce it) or Badoh Negro. This plant
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is identified as a wild variety of Ipomoea violacea, the very same species we
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grow in our garden.
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I'm led to believe, however, that this variety is quite different from the
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garden varieties, in that Wasson claims that both ololiuhqui and tlitliltzen are
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taken in dosages of 7 to 21 seeds, and all the anecdotes ive heard about getting
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a buzz of heavenly blue or flying saucers speak of sucking down hundreds of the
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little buggers.
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so Heavenly Blue(which I would imagine is a product of selective breeding and
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is native to nowhere) in not the variety used among the Aztecs, if in fact it
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was/is the Aztecs that use them(I thought there were no more aztecs and hadnt
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been for a long long time. or is that the mayans? or is it both?)
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--
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Chuck Falzone
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cjf49655@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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