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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
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From: ckoenig@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Christopher K. Koenigsberg)
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Subject: Re: Peyote info please
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Message-ID: <1994Apr7.185147.18166@midway.uchicago.edu>
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Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 18:51:47 GMT
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This individual got to try peyote a number of times around 1975-1977,
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sometimes dried/black/chewy, sometimes fresh/wet/gooey/green&dripping
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slime. One would take 3 or 4 huge juicy ones, or perhaps up 6 dried
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little black ones.
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Sometimes there was not much nausea, (after getting the totally yucky
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substance itself down), other times there was enough to puke once. It
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passed though. Actually I was more nauseous coming on to acid or
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mushrooms sometimes. The hardest part is eating the shit. I remember a
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very funny Zap Comix cartoon about gags to play on friends, and
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"peyote toothpaste" was one of them...... argh, the memory of the
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taste would produce involuntary shivers of revulsion for many years
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afterwards, though it's faded by now, alas :-)
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Impression of the trip, from so many years ago, was that it was
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generally not as "deep" and "complete" as acid, not totally
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interconnected and composed of so many lines & patterns extending out
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towards infinity etc, not racing thoughts physically so fast. It was
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very visual, perhaps less auditory than acid, perhaps lacking some of
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the strangest "tactile hallucinations" from strongest acid trips where
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one felt as if one's hand actually touched a strange thing,....
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Instead, there were pastel-colors, softer patterns, more "natural"
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kinds of hallucinations, deep and profound thoughts but not quite on
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the uncontrollable express train. Indeed, it felt extremely "wise and
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mature" to the 18-20 year old subject at the time :-) "The Smile of
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the Beyond" was one impression (named after a Mahavishnu Orchestra
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song, or maybe the other way around? :-).
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It went deeper than mushrooms, though, which sometimes appeared to
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place hallucinations on a giant balloon-like tension surface in front
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of the eyeballs.
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Oh, yes I remember there were also lots of tinglies and chills, up and
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down the spine, even up and down the legs, everywhere there were
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nerves.... sometimes these blended with and turned into
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hallucinations.
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It took a long time to come on, sometimes up to 2 hours. Didn't last
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as long as big acid trips, maybe 6 hours or so.
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The very first peyote trip for this individual was actually also this
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individual's very first "bad trip" (after several pleasant acid and
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mushroom experiences), which was apparently necessary and instructive
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at the time..... one recalls waiting and waiting and waiting forever,
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doing too many bongs of headache weed, for it to start, then all of a
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sudden, a goat-like figure with nasty horns appeared in pentagrams on
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all the walls, nodding specifically at me, yes, YOU will freak out
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now, etc. etc.
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The tingles and chills turned into horrible scary flutters, rugs and
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grass and dirt would erupt with all sorts of tiny little creatures...
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oh yes, I remember, peyote hallucinations would often take on an
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animate quality of actual little individual creatures, faces with
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personality and history and dignity behind them, etc.
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
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From: dash@netcom.com (David Ashley)
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Subject: San Pedro
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Message-ID: <dashCKBu8E.LDH@netcom.com>
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 1994 06:33:50 GMT
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When I was in southern Ecuador I tried San Pedro twice. The first time
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I bought some from a guy in Vilcabamba and it cost a few dollars. The
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stuff was pretty weak, and I made the mistake of eating afterwards so
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the effects were minor. There was a minor feeling of giddiness, I had
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this feeling like I could talk to animals in the area (pigs for example),
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and the walpaper in my room sort of undulated slowly. Then later I
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met a guy who was an American living down there and he used to make the
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juice from the cactus, and he gave me some of his batch. The stuff was
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much more powerful. I was hallucinating for almost a whole day. There
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was this weird feeling of comprehension--like a mole that I had remembered
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on someone's arm explaining why the wallpaper patterns were the way they
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were. It was a feeling like "It's all so trivial--everything makes sense!"
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In a neighboring room someone was watching TV, and every once in a while
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a commercial would come on that played the FLintstones theme music. This
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induced all sorts of early memories and feelings. Although I tried to
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go to sleep I wasn't able to--my mind just kept running. Sounds were
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sort of coming up and down, like you're slowly changing the volume of
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a TV. Also when I walked around my perception seemed to be a collection
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of still images--like there'd be a flash of my surroundings, then the
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next image I'd have moved a few feet. I talked to some friends that
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I had met and they said my sentences each alone made sense but they
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had no relation to each other. I can remember trying to express what
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I was experiencing and just drifting off and just letting it soak in.
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I had vivid memories of my childhood that I hadn't recalled I suppose
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since they happened. From time to time I would experience a memory
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of a friend from the states saying the phrase "can't be bothered" in a
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sort of English accent. It was a very interesting experience.
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Visually things were shimmering, rotating, morphing, changing colors,
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changing shapes, etc, etc.
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I think I sort of bracketed the optimum dose--first time I took too
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little and next time too much. San Pedro is this big cactus that grows
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all over the place in Southern Ecuador. You cut it up into pieces and
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boil it for like 18 hours, while frequently squeezing out the liquid
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in the cactus. Eventually you're left with a thin green liquid. It
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really is disgusting. Most people drink a bit then puke it back up. I
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was able to hold it down...perhaps that's why the effect lasted so
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long.
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What's really amazing is that even though the mind is experiencing
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things in some completely alien way, it all gets recorded so you
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remember the feeling.
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--
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David Ashley
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dash@netcom.com
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From: phase@news.gate.net (Unknown*)
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Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
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Subject: Re: San Pedro Cactus seeds?
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Date: 18 Jun 1994 13:59:17 -0400
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Message-ID: <2tvcll$oh6@inca.gate.net>
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Yesterday I has a San Pedro cactus experience, and I'd just like to type
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up a quick post for those of you who are wondering about trying San Pedro.
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A friend of mine ordered 50 dried grams of San Pedro cactus from JLF
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poisonous non-consumables. He boiled it in 6 cups of water for about 3
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hours, and when the liquid was brown, murky and extremely bitter-soap
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tasting, he stopped. He strained out the cactus solids, and divided
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the remaining liquid into two glasses, and cooled it in the frige untill
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it was drinkable.
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Due to the extreme bitter taste, he added orange juice to each large
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glass, but it did little to cover the taste. I am not exagerating when
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I say it tasted as if i was drinking pure liquid dish-soap.
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We both drank it slowly over about 30 mins, and when i wAS finished
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drinking that foul, basic liquid..it felt almost identical as if i had
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consumed 2 alcoholic drinks. This light intoxication lasted approx. 2 hours,
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when we both began to feel the mescalines effects come on.
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*There was no sickness or vomiting*
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For the next 10 hours, we had a rather weak, but pleasant mescaline
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trip. It felt like a very long time to come on, compared with LSD or
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psilocybin, but it was soon unmistakibly mescaline. The intensity of the
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experience was weak, roughly comparable to ~40ug of LSD.
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It faded away about 9 hours after the efects were first felt, it completely
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faded to baseline.
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If i were to to it again, and prepare the cactus myself...I would boil it
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for at least 6 hours, and i would would drink the solution from all 50 dried
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grams of cactus...i would not share it with a friend. It's intresting to
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try once, but not really worth the time, effort and expense compared to
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more potent and available psychedelics, IMHO.
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later,
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phase@inca.gate.net
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