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My note on Ketamine raised some response from the net, and I
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thought I would respond to mind-l in general, as well as to the
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specific folks who were curious.
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*IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER* I am a scientific PhD, not a physician
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Neither I nor my employer take any
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responsibility for its accuracy or
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possible use.
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First, ketamine is in current use as both a veternary and a
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human anesthetic. It is called "dissociative" in action, which
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means that the mind is "separated" from the body. In many
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cases, this separation results in profound hallucinations and
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the sensation of entering another reality. In human use, a
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benzodiazapine like Versed is generally used along with
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ketamine to induce amnesia concerning the "emergence
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reactions".
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The most easily obtained reference about ketamine is
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the Physicians Desk Reference. Under the heading "Ketalar",
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this gives a great deal of information about the drug. Of
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course, since this is a general medical reference, much of the
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info of interest to mind-l is not present, but it should be
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read anyway.
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Perhaps the most important property of ketamine is that,
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despite the induction of both anesthesia and dissociation, the
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cough and gag reflexes *USUALLY* are not affected. This means
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that, contrary to most other agents which will produce
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anesthesia and/or unconsciousness, it is very unlikely that a
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person using ketamine will aspirate their own saliva and other
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excretions. This is *NOT* guarenteed, but is a pretty good
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bet. Solo use, however, remains dangerous.
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Ketamine is generally available for non-medical uses as
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ketamine hydrochloride. Some major chemical houses carry it at
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a cost of about $10/gm. I don't know if there are other
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sources which are cheaper, or if the veterinary form is easily
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available.
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Dosages are discussed in the PDR, but are generally in the
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range of 100-500 mg. Conventional useage is intravenous or
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intramuscular, but "recreational" use is apparently more often
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through insufflation (snorting) or solution ingestion. These
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latter approaches are probably only effective with the
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hydrochloride form, but the reported doses are similar to the
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conventional medical doses.
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As in all such experiments, if you must do this, be sure of
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your materials and start slow, with small doses separated by
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enough time to really come back to Earth between experiments.
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Mahalo
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Message-ID: <185302Z23111993@anon.penet.fi>
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
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From: an49019@anon.penet.fi (the ticktockman)
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 18:47:29 UTC
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Subject: Re: Ketamine trip
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>I tried to get some info from the net gurus as to what a correct dosage of
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>Ketamine would be, but never got a response. So I guesstimated, and took
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>4 mL of Ketaset (equal to 400mg Ketamine HCl). I had an empty stomach. I
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>took it orally, pouring it down my throat with a spoon -
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>I had heard that it tasted awful, which it did, so I avoided my tongue,
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>and chased it down with an immediate mouthful of orange. No problem.
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FWIW, a friend of mine who does K regularly insists that the _only_
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way to do it is intramuscularly (i.e., once you try it that way, you
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will always want to do it that way). He says an optimal dose this
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way is 100 mg (ml). It puts him in a state where he is completely
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divorced from his body and is projected into some astral plane as pure
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consciousness. He says you could drag his body up and down the stairs
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while he is in this state and he would have no idea that this was
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happening. To him, doing K this way is as close as he can come to
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dying without dying, and it is always a beautiful, wondrous experience.
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He claims that taking it orally produces nowhere near as intense an
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experience, but you seem like you had a really excellent trip. I've
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never done the stuff myself, just thought I'd pass along this second-hand
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account for anyone interested ...
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the ticktockman
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From: squest@moonwatcher.avrtech.com (Steve J. Quest)
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
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Subject: Ketamine.
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Message-ID: <763499976.85snx@moonwatcher.avrtech.com>
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Date: Sat, 12 Mar 94 19:19:36 GMT
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In article <CM6rqw.E4x@sscnet.ucla.edu> magnuson@sscnet.ucla.edu writes:
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>Does anybody know about this? I wonder: what do we have to tell vetinarians as
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>to our pets' symptoms to get them to prescribe ketamine? How expensive is it?
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>What's the recommended dosage for us humans? Any warnings from those who have
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>done it? Any other sources besides vets? Can you advise it? etc., etc.
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Ketamine HCl, available as 100mg/ml injectable under the trade name
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Vetalar (Parke-Davis) and Ketaset (Bristol) is used in veterinary
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work as a general anesthetic. The dosage used produces analgesia
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but with normal pharyngeal and laryngeal reflexes. It only causes
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mild respiratory depression. The advantage of this anesthetic is
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that you don't need to support respiration while performing any
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procedures. This allows for a one-man operation. It is so widely
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used in the Veterinary profession that I don't think abuse will
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cause it to be discontinued, but I can see that it will one day
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be serialized and accountable as a controlled substance (as all
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barbituates currently are).
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If you think that you will be able to go into a vets office and say
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that you are going to anesthetize your cat, forget it. They only
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use this drug for their surgical procedures, there is no reason why
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anyone would need to buy this drug. Think about stealing the drug
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instead, or fake that you are a vet and purchase them from a wholesale
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drug supplier. Vet pharmaceuticals are not watched by DEA all that
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much, and the distributors are very lax. At least they were when I
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was in the business.
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Ketamine is chemically 2-(2-Chlorophenyl)-2-(methylamino)-
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cyclohexanone. Vitamin K's are naphthoquinones. Not the same thing!
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Too much vitamin K and you will give yourself a stroke, this is not a
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recreational drug!
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Ketamine is used as a human and animal anesthetic. Vets use it for
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cats or any small animal and reptiles. I can't say what an IM (intra-
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muscular) injection is like, but an IV injection is very similar to when
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someone takes a crowbar and smacks you as hard as they can to the base of
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your skull! Don't be standing up when you do this, you will hit the floor
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hard! Better yet, be in an easy chair, you will immediately lose all body
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control, very frightening to say the least. Experiment with a few mg at a
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time. The insert states that the recommended dosage for anesthesia (5 to 10
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minute duration) is 2mg/kg. A 70kg adult would then use 140mg or about 1 and
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a half CC's of injectable for a 10 minute duration of anesthesia. Of course
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it is the coming OFF not the going ON that is where all the wierd stuff
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occurs. Medically these are called emergence reactions, but I call them
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hallucinations! :) If being awake and paralyzed doesn't scare you, the
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hallucination is cool. If it frightens you, or if you become frightened,
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you will snowball into a very bad trip. Mood is everything on Ketamine,
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and like all recreational drugs, after you have used it a few times, you get
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a feel for it and are not so apt to be frightened by it. For those who have
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smoked angel dust (PCP; HOG; Phencyclidine) the effects are about the same,
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only you retain less awareness while under Ketamine. I can definately say
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that you want to take a dosage about 1/4 the recommended dose to not totally
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go into anesthesia, but just dangle around the half conscious state. A very
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cool feeling! :) For me it is about 40mg injected IV with a tuberculin
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syringe (1cc 27g 1/2). A little more for a little deeper, but going all the
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way into anesthesia is not all that special, you can't really think or remember
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while under the full dose, I don't recommended it on your first try. Always
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have a health care professional available while you try this to maintain your
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airway should you have a negative reaction to the drug. As with all noxious
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chemicals, you will feel like shit for several hours after the experience,
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especially if you try to walk, carry on a conversation, or do any activity
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that requires mental clarity. BE CAREFUL! Learn about anesthesia before
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attempting to play with anesthetic drugs................sq
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From: crow@CSOS.ORST.EDU (Corey Green)
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
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Subject: Excellent Ketamine Read
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Date: 27 May 1994 16:29:12 GMT
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Message-ID: <2s574o$gup@jadzia.CSOS.ORST.EDU>
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An excellent book on Ketamine is called "Journey's to the bright side"
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I'm failing to remember the author's name but she also wrote the "Seth
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speaks" books. Journey"s is completely about her experience's with "K"
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it seem's that her husband was an anasthesiologist and regularly dosed
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her.The story goes that she eventually started going to the same familier
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place or dimension and meeting certain beings.She acually started a therapy
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group called Samadhi,I believe in Seattle.The book is facinating,though it
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was out of print when I found it in 1979.Unfortunatly she was murdered in
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Seattle.Her husband believe's because she was writing an expose' on a local
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satanic cult,apparently they never found her head.Anyway John Lilly the
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"Dolphin guy" has some pretty amazing stories about "K" also.The same
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kind of experience"s as Journey's.
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Find your way back, crow.
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