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I saw the posting about the Hawaiian Baby Rosewood seeds, and Wanted to throw
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in my two cents...
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Last night, two of my friends and I decided to try Hawaiian Baby
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Rosewood seeds. We went to the local head shop and got ten each, took them home
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and set out to remove any coating. We had heard/read that we should take
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anywhere from 6-15 seeds each, and after consulting with the clerk, who we
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knew, and had done them on several occasions, we settled on 8 each, expecting a
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fairly decent trip.
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We got them home and scraped off all of the coating to the best of our
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ability, and then washed them off. We were carefull to remove all of the
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coating, scraping off the coating and part of the shell with x-acto knives.
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(Realizing that we'd still get part of the coating, but still wishing to keep
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it to a minimum.)
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After scraping and washing, we crushed the seeds up and placed them
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aside for later. 'K' and 'G' had to work, so we were going to do them when they
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got off.
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Around 9pm 'K' and 'G' came over and we downed the seeds. I had not
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eaten for about 6hrs, 'K' for about 3, and 'G' had just eaten.
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After 15 min. I had started to feel the effects. The onset was like
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being dizzy, or groggy after having just gotten up. In about 20 min, K started
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to feel the same effects while G just felt sick to his stomach. This feeling of
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groggyness persisted until 10:30, when I proceeded to throw up violently. K
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said he was feeling fine, and was beginning to have what he termed "A really
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mellow trip" G still only felt sick.
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I felt much better after my episode, but was still feeling drained, so
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I decided to leave K and G and go to bed. This is what they told me happened to
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them. They went to get something to eat around 12:30 (when I went to bed). they
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walked around in some woods near where we live, and said it was pleasant. Quite
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like a very mild trip, then around 2:00, they split up and went home thinking
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it was over.
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When G got home (about 2:30) he said he became violently ill, and lost
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everything he had eaten the entire day. He then tried to go to sleep.
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K said he went home and tried to sleep, but found himself peaking,
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experiencing a dizzying trip with very intense tactile, and visual
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hallucinations. He got up from bed and ended up wandering over to G's house
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without putting on any additional clothing (wearing only bed-shorts) and then
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sitting on his steps crying. G didn't experience this sort of peak at all, and
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found that he was able to calm K down by talking him out of it. (K said
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afterwards it was like he imagined a bad trip being like. We have done acid on
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*many* occasions together, and have *never* had a bad experience with acid).
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After G talked him down, they both managed to sleep, and awoke today feeling a
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little hungry, and just generally groggy.
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Meanwhile, I had gone home, still feeling a bit queasy, and decided
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that I needed sleep more than anything, so I laid down (at 12:30 or so) and
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tried to sleep. I managed to get to sleep okay, my stomach still aching a bit,
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and slept fine until 3:30.
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At 3:30 I awoke in the midsts of the most intense trip I have ever
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experienced. My thoughts were totally random and I was experiencing *intense*
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visuals from the moonlight shadows in my room. I managed to stand up, and found
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that so incredibly difficult that I had to lay back down. My roomate then came
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out of his room to go to the bathroom, and I found this to be more than I could
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take... His image against the shadows in my room through me into some really
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wild hallicinations of wolves and various creatures devouring my flesh. In
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addition to the visuals, I was getting *major* tactile hallucinations from my
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sheets. My skin felt like I was being tickled everywhere, and was in the throws
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of a major orgasm. (Not unpleasant mind you ;) However it was a bit too intense
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for my tastes. I had several hallucinations of animal images, combined with the
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urge to run. I contemplated running over to see K and G and if they were having
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this stuff happen too, but when my roomate appeared, I was too scared to move
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much. I found it extremely difficult to diferentiate between reality and my
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hallucinations. (I didn't like this aspect of it at all. When I trip on acid, I
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usually find that, even though I do hallucinate, I am still conscious of the
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fact that they are only hallucinations. On the seeds I really couldn't tell.)
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After laying there hallucinating I fell asleep. I don't know how long I
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was hallucinating, I was really not interested in timing it either. Around 10,
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I woke up, and my stomach really hurt. (could have been the seeds, could have
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been the vomit...) I managed to get something to eat and return to sleeping for
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a while. I woke up again at noon, feeling well rested, but a bit groggy. I've
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been in that same groggy state all day.
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Overall, I'll say that it was worth the experiment to satisfy my
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curiosity. However, I will not be trying these things again. Ever. First, I
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have a no vomit rule about drugs... that's why I gave up drinking. Second, I
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didn't find the peak as thrilling, or as fun as LSD. I still think Acid has the
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most bang for buck, and give much more pleasurable feelings while peaking.
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Perhaps the dose was just too high, but based on the feelings in my stomach, I
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think I'll just stick to good ol' LSD and MJ.
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-D
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I recently tried a new route of administration for Hawiian Baby Wood Rose
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seeds. Why? Eating works fine, except for the unfortunate side effect that my
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stomach is so tight I don't want to eat, drink, or move.
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I tried the enema method recommended by a previous poster. It was
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dissappointing. I ground ten seeds and blended them for an hour in distilled
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water. Then I filtered the sludge out and used a home enema kit to put the
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brown juice up my ass. I left it there for about ten minutes. About half an
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hour later, I felt a little something like a trip, but it quickly went away.
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So what is my new method? Chewing -- like tobacco. I chewed six seeds without
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spitting or swallowing for 15 minutes, then gagged and spit them out. I
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tripped about as hard as I would expect from eating four seeds, but with much
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diminished side effects. After the first hour I felt like drinking beer and
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dancing (the don't-move period lasts three hours if I swallow the seeds).
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My next experiment is to treat them *exactly* like tobacco, using a spittoon.
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Maybe I can chew them that way for 30 minutes or more. They are fairly cheap,
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so doubling the quantity is not a problem.
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From: an18826@anon.penet.fi
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
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Subject: Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds -- Revisited With Amazing Results!
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Message-ID: <1993Apr27.182833.16787@fuug.fi>
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Date: 27 Apr 93 18:25:29 GMT
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Some of you may remember that I posted a description of a rather ho-hum
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Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seed (HBWS) trip a couple of weeks ago. Last night,
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a friend and I decided to make another attempt, with an increased dose, though
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aware of the warning that
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high dosages are not advisable -- beyond a certain level,
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experience so far has shown a tendency for limbs to get
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bluish
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-- Psychedelics Encyclopedia
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I soaked twenty seeds in hot tap water for two to three hours, then (despairing
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of ever finding a mortar & pestle) smashed the seeds to a pulp with needle-
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nose pliers and added more water to the seeds & water in a tupperware
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container. I then vigorously shook the container. The water (strangely,
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since the seeds are brown & white) turned pond-scum green, with lots of seed
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chunks settling to the bottom.
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I poured this mixture into two glasses, being careful to add the same
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proportion of pond-scum-water:seed-chunks to both glasses. My friend downed
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the mixture in one big gulp, getting some more water to wash some of the seed
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chunks from the side of the glass. I took it much more slowly, and returned
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for water a couple more times so I could get the seed chunks down.
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My friend and I are both tall, thin men in our twenties. I'm about 6'2", he's
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perhaps an inch or two taller. I weigh about 170 lbs, he is probably in that
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area -- maybe 10-20 pounds more. I say this for dosage reasons. We're tall
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fellows -- if you're 5'6" and weigh 130, you probably won't need as many seeds.
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(Note of warning: If you're pregnant, or think you might be, don't use HBWS
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or other ergot-type hallucinogens unless you know /exactly/ what you are
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doing. These drugs can cause uterine contractions and may cause miscarriage)
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To cut to the chase -- the trip was a "10" for both of us. We've both
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experienced many LSD trips, and between the two of us have sampled the delights
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of MDMA and psilocin/cybin. The HBWS trip ranked up there with the best.
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It started soon but with a long slope. As an illustration, an LSD trip might
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be described like:
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^_
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/ --___
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/ ----_____
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/ ------_______
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/ --------_________
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- t ------------|-------------------------------------------------------
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30 min.
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with a quick peak that's very intense, and then several hours of slowly
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returning to consensus reality. The HBWS trip was more like:
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__-____
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____--- -----______
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______----- -------________
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- t ----------------------------|---------------------------------------
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3 hours
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Also, the peak was much less intense. Overall, much much less visual and
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audio and other sensory hallucinations than with LSD. Visuals were mostly
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forced for diagnostic reasons, audio was great, but not LSD-profound.
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But the mind-food -- the intellectual games -- were amazingly good. And the
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real bonus is that conversation is very easy (on LSD, I often find that I get
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lost in that enormous jungle of symbols between the beginning of a sentence
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and it's terminating punctuation mark, making linguistic communication with
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other people a real chore at times). I could talk and form sentences and
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such with no more difficulty than usual (and in fact, I felt that my ability
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to do so was even heightened -- my friend commented at one point that "I have
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an idea, and the words just /come/! It's incredible!"), but I had much more
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to talk about than usual.
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Based on my previous experience, we expected a short trip with little mind-
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blowing. We took the brew at about 7:00PM and were up until 4:30AM talking
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almost non-stop metaphysics with two other people who were completely sober.
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I'm still feeling the effects now, at about 11:00AM. At 4:30 I settled down
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to sleep and was pleasantly surprised to find that sleep came easily and that
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the sleep was deep and very satisfying. (On LSD, I find it very difficult to
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get to sleep until I have come way down from the trip).
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If you enjoy LSD, I strongly urge you to give this stuff a try. "...of the
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jungle" sells HBWS at 11 seeds for $2.50, or 100 for $10.00. T.A.E. sells
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'em at $25 per 1/2 oz., $40/oz., $110/4oz. and $450/lb. If the ones you get
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are crusty on the outside, like maybe the inside of a walnut shell, you should
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crack this pod open and just use the smooth seed inside. I suspect that the
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outer coating is what causes nausea in some people.
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An experience with Hawaiian Baby Woodrose (Argyreia nervosa) Seeds.
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I found myself ahead on a writing deadline and with nothing to do on a
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Tuesday afternoon, so I decided to experiment with Hawaiian Baby Woodrose
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Seeds. Although I had eaten a large meal the night before, I had had nothing
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to eat during the day, and so I hoped to avoid the nausea that had been
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reported by some users. This nausea is attributed either to the seeds
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themselves, or to coatings supposedly put on seeds by seed companies to
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discourage this sort of thing, depending on who you talk to. A third
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suspicion of mine was that people were more likely to try morning glory seeds
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than HBWR seeds, and that it takes a whole lot more of the former to feel any
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effects, and that it was the sheer quantity of the seeds that was causing
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nausea in these people. In any case, I'm writing this at about 2:05PM and
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will find out shortly... :-`
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HBWR seeds, like morning glory seeds, contain such nicely active ingredients
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as d-lysergic acid amide and d-isolysergic acid amide (a.k.a. ergine &
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isoergine) which are close relatives of your old friend and pal (can you
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believe she's 50?) d-lysergic acid diethylamide (a.k.a. LSD). According to
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Peter Stafford's "Psychedelics Encyclopedia" (3rd Expanded Edition, pp. 98-99):
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"Lysergic acid amides are quite concentrated in the seeds
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of this ornamental, much more so than in psychedelic
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morning glories. Four to six seeds (the contents of one
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or two pods) are the equivalent of 100 to 150 Ipomoea
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morning glory seeds and will produce a full-blown experience.
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The result is generally more tranquil than what is induced
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by LSD. While LSD is perceived by most users as having
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stimulant effects, to which a few people are particularly
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sensitive, the botanical sources have more of a slowing or
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depressant effect. Some users complain that they have had
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a hangover, which has been characterized by Emboden as
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possibly involving `nausea, vertigo, blurred vision and
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physical inertia.' More often, however, these seeds have
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invigorated their users, leaving them feeling as though
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they had been on vacation afterwards."
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Stafford recommended (with Morning Glories) that "seeds should be ground to a
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flour before use; it's also a good idea to soak them in water -- the
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psychoactive components are soluble -- and then to strain the liquid through
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cheesecloth. The amides of value are in the liquid, which is ready for
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consumption." I did not follow this advice directly -- I soaked the whole
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seeds and put them in a blender.
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I was also unable to find motion sickness tablets at the supermarket, and so
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am not testing out another piece of advice that was given to me -- take
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some dramamine before the seeds to reduce nausea.
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Also mentioned by Stafford was that "high dosages are not advisable -- beyond
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a certain level, experience so far has shown a tendency for limbs to get
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bluish" (perhaps by the same gangrene-producing effect as that produced by
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the ergot fungus in `ergotism'). I decided to look out for this effect as
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best as I could.
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1:30 PM -- I covered six seeds with hot tap water in a small bowl.
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1:50 PM -- I poured the seeds and water into a small food processor and
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chopped the seeds as well as I could. It was a bit like chopping
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up small, soft rocks. I then added some orange juice, a few
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frozen cherries, raspberries, and strawberries, and blended for
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another minute or so.
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2:00 PM -- I began to drink the resulting mixture, and I packed a small
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bowl of marijuana to smoke to combat possible nausea. My hope was
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that the effects of the marijuana would have vanished by the time
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the HBWR seeds began to work their wonders.
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2:15 PM -- I am nicely high and reaching the bottom of my psychic smoothie.
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2:25 PM -- I am very high and have finished off said smoothie.
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2:45 PM -- Wow, that was great dope. No nausea yet.
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3:10 PM -- Got munchies; had some soda crackers. No nausea or other ill
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effects. Still feel pleasantly high. I cannot tell at this juncture
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whether this is just good dope or whether HWBR are starting up.
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3:45 PM -- At this point I am experiencing nothing that I cannot plausably
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attribute to lingering marijuana effects.
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4:00 PM -- By now, I would have expected the marijuana effects to have
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just about ended. I'm experiencing mild visual distortions (walls
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breathing) and some tactile enhancement (carpet between my toes feels
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nice). Nothing like a "full-blown experience" yet. Also, there is
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very minor auditory enhancement, and some of those LSD leg jitters
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(wanting to keep time to some beat about 4x/second).
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4:30 PM -- Became sleepy, started to doze off during "Voodoo Chile." Was
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awakened by bass guitar shaking my left foot. Still no nausea or
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ill effects, but I'm most definately stoned. Sort of like LSD, but
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without the early rush. More like what LSD would be like if you
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missed the first four hours. Either that, or I'm just starting the
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climb.
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5:05 PM -- No increase in effects. If this is all there is, I'm not too
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impressed.
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5:30 PM -- Doesn't seem to be going anywhere. I just feel mildly strange
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and slightly uncoordinated.
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6:00 PM -- Still slightly stoned. Ate vegies and bread and cheese. Not much
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happening. I think I'll try a few more seeds next time and see how
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that works. This must be one of those "physical inertia" trips...
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Oh well, better luck next time.
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7:35 PM -- Am almost completely down. In retrospect, it wasn't completely
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unexciting, and with the right set and setting might have been very
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nice. Very mellow, though. Not too much going on. Much less
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auditory effects than I would expect from LSD or marijuana. No limb
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bluing, no nausea.
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Message-ID: <195303Z05091993@anon.penet.fi>
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
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From: an33895@anon.penet.fi
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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1993 19:46:38 UTC
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Subject: HBWR seeds: story and advice
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Well, yesterday a FOAF and his friends had their first
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experience with Hawiian Baby Wood Rose seeds, which my FOAF later
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dubbed "The wacky russian rulette of acid". Four people ate the
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seeds, three of them tripped, each with varying degrees of intensity.
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They had some wisdom that they thought I should pass on to the net.
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One thing to keep in mind is that these seeds are naturally
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growing botanicals and due to each plants idiosyncracies one cannot
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reliably estimate how much LSA one is ingesting by the number of
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seeds you eat. One of my FOAF's friends ate three seeds and had a
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typical mild acid trip (intense colors, trails, and mild
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synthenesia). Another one had nine seeds and got absolutely no
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effect. Two others ate nine and had moderate trips, one good and one
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not so good (more later). My FOAF had twenty seeds and had the most
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intense trip of his life, including phantom music, very intense and
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dramatic synthenesia, and occasional withdrawls from reality, where
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his normal vision was completely obscured by intense patterns and
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colors... kinda scary sometimes. As you can see, your milage may
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vary.
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No one got physically ill as a result of taking the seeds,
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although one of my FOAF's friends admitted, after eating the seeds,
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that he thought he might be coming down with the flu. STUPID! Twice
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during the evening he began to feel nausiated and dizzy, and when he
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did, he correspondingly reported having "uncool" experiences and went
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off by himself for a while. This morning he is down but suffering
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from the flu.
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Although the seeds have a reputation as being "weak" acid, my
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FOAF would not recommend that they are eaten by the unexperienced
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user, since they had such a wide range of effectiveness. Getting
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acid with a reliable mic count would be a better way to go at first,
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to add a bit more control to the already unpredictable activity of
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dropping.
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That's all for now. I hope this is of use to someone. I've
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learned much from alt.drugs, and it's good to return the favor!
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Happy tripping!
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Jake
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Message-ID: <222302Z22111993@anon.penet.fi>
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
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From: an18826@anon.penet.fi
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 22:13:47 UTC
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Subject: A powerful HBWS experience
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Yet another Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seed Experiment
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(or how I learned to loathe myself and respect ergot alkaloids)
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Date: 22 November 1993 (the day after)
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Here's the situation, kids; see if you can find where I went horribly,
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tragically wrong: Several weeks ago, over a period of a couple of months,
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my lover and I of four and a half years broke up, I lost my job and
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subsequently my home, and had a brief fling which punched holes in my
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reputation and self-image.
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Still managing to convince myself that I was the free-spirit, untouched by
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the illusionary material world, I put on a happy face et cetera. A few days
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ago, however, I started to dwell on thoughts of self-doubt, worry, mild
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paranoia, and depression.
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Drum roll please.
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So I thought I'd take a psychedelic drug and see if that helped to put things
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back in perspective.
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WRONG! What, was I out of my mind? Lesson number one in the psychedelic
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universe: Don't use a psychedelic drug as a mood-lifter, to escape bad
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feelings, or to make a bad situation better. It don't work that way.
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The pharmacological details: A couple of days prior to the experiment, I
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ground up fifty Hawaiian Baby Woodrose (Argyreia nervosa) seeds in a mortar
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and pestle, and put the resulting powder into gel caps. There were about
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3.5 seeds per gel cap, with even potency across all of the gel caps.
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Part of the motivation for my experiment was to test the potency/toxicity of
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the seeds taken in this manner. I had taken ten seeds, cracked in water,
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and had a terrific trip; and I had taken twelve seeds in a similar way and
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been wracked with nausea, stupor, and a generally bad time.
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So I took two capsules, what I expected to be about 2/3rds of a real dose.
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My notes follow (indented) with comments (not indented):
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1 PM - two caps
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I had also been taking ginseng fairly regularly for the previous week or two,
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and I don't know how these two drugs might have reacted. What I believed I
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had been noticing from the ginseng were the following symptoms: a) increased
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creativity, b) more alertness without caffeine jitteryness, c) slight paranoia.
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Of course any of the above could also be the result of a placebo effect, or
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of the emotional turmoil in my life.
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I was not taking any other drugs at the time. I had smoked a good hunk of
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weed the previous afternoon.
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1:30 - slight runs, tight bridge of nose
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The slight runs were slightly loose bowels, I included them in my notes
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without knowing whether or not they represented the first symptoms of nausea.
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In the aftermath, I'd say that it was just coincidence. The tight bridge of
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nose was one of those bells that goes off in my mind and says to me, "remember,
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you just took a psychedelic and here it comes!"
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1:35 - tight top of head
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Similarly.
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1:45 - stomach grumbling
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This was probably caused more by the drug, but I'm not sure. There wasn't
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much nausea (thank God) at all this time. A little bit hit me at one point,
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but nothing in itself particularly bothersome.
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2:40 - very slight nausea twinge, some peripheral visual
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distortion[, ] cold feet
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There is the nausea I was talking about. By "twinge," I mean that it was
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noticable, but not lasting. A moment would come and I would say, "gee, I
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feel kind of sick to my stomach," but then it would go away. Could be
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explained by just the psychedelic coenesthetic fuzziness, but I don't think
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I was tripping that hard yet. Cold feet was a "just in case" marker for me.
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Stafford's "Psychedelics Encyclopedia" mentions that ergot alkaloids like
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those in HBWS and MGS can at higher doses cause the limbs to turn bluish.
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(See: ergotism). So far this hasn't happened to me, but I try to be alert
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for the effects. It was a chilly day, and my feet were propped up, so I think
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it was not a drug effect.
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2:50 - More tummy rumbles.
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3:00 - Take 500 mg C - folklore
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I'm two hours into the dose and not getting much out of it but some slight
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peripheral vision fuzziness and motion, and a weird overall feeling. So I
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try to augment the trip with Vitamin C. I have no idea if this works or not,
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but it's everpresent acid folklore, and it's harmless as far as I know.
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4:15 - Tired, amotivational[, ] Somewhat trippy.
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I think the trip started right about here - three hours and fifteen minutes
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after taking the powdered seeds. That's something I should stress right off
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the bat about HBWS - the curve is very very different from that of LSD. On
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LSD, you accelerate quickly to the peak (within an hour or two of taking the
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drug), and then spend another couple of hours or more at the peak before
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sliding slowly down to baseline.
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With HBWR, you spend the first three to six hours just climbing to the peak,
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and then a shorter time falling back to baseline. I don't think I reached the
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peak until six or seven at night - five or six hours after taking the
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capsules. Quite a long ride, with none of the "it's all downhill from here"
|
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sense that you get if things get confusing on acid.
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6:00 - emotionally depressed
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- No, make that fucking despondent
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By this time things had started to go bad. I tried all of the traditional
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things to swing things around: Went to the bathroom, made some food, took a
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walk in the fresh air, turned on more lights, changed the music. Nothing
|
|
worked.
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I was feeling the beginnings of what would be a very panicked depressive
|
|
episode. Nobody loved me, even the people I thought were my friends were
|
|
really annoyed with me and talked about me behind my back, my pretensions
|
|
had become such an integral part of my self-image that seeing them shattered
|
|
was destroying my identity. I felt that if people knew who I really was, they
|
|
would be disgusted or frightened and run away, and so I had to wear a mask,
|
|
which of course was another way of keeping people at a distance from my real
|
|
self, so there was no way I could win...
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Whew. It was bad, folks. Going for a quick-paced walk helped, but only by
|
|
keeping my mind busy thinking about route and traffic lights and whether or
|
|
not it was going to rain. Overall the mood was still bad. I stopped by a
|
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donut shop to get a chocolate-covered devil's food donut with chocolate chips.
|
|
Chocolate is another of my temperamental mood-lifters that I've kept in my
|
|
bag of acid trips for that rainy day when I need it. But the wisdom of this
|
|
decision didn't stand up; I thought that when I crashed from the sugar high
|
|
things would just be that much worse. So I tossed the donut away.
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7:00 - Still depressed - some anaesthesia - pinches don't
|
|
hurt as much as they should. Tripping at about
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|
maximum so far, but wish it would stop.
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I should note at this point that there is a history of depression in my
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|
family, my younger brother is taking medication for depression, and most of
|
|
the women on my mother's side of the family seem to have had some sort of
|
|
breakdown in their past. So far, except for a period of bad depression in
|
|
adolescence (which could have just been adolescence, of course), I've escaped
|
|
in terrific shape. My mood has been generally good, and my psychedelic trips
|
|
have been 95% wonderful.
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But, after a few hours of this nonsense, I was convinced that my bad mood and
|
|
such over the previous days was part of a spiral into mental illness and that
|
|
I was going straight to the funny farm. I was exhibiting a lot of the signs
|
|
of a panic attack and severe depression, and I wasn't sure how much I could
|
|
attribute to the drug, and how much was just me.
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|
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Remember that I had taken what I thought was 2/3rds of a good dose of HBWS,
|
|
which I translated as about 2/3rds again of a reasonable dose of LSD. In
|
|
other words, about half a hit: small potatoes for a veteran tripper.
|
|
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|
The anaesthesia I'm talking about was kind of interesting. At one point, I
|
|
pinched the web of skin between my thumb and finger, and although I could
|
|
feel the pain, it didn't seem to mean anything to me. So I pinched harder.
|
|
Sure enough, the pain increased slightly, but it still didn't mean anything
|
|
to me. So I pinched as hard as I could. Still, no injury I could get
|
|
excited about, although there was clearly some tissue trauma.
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|
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|
Two things of note: One, this may have been an effect of the drug, and if so,
|
|
is a new one to me. Two, severely depressed people sometimes engage in self-
|
|
mutilation, and this may have been an inkling of that for me.
|
|
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|
7:22 - Niacin
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|
|
At this point I remembered another bit of folklore - the "niacin abort." I
|
|
decided to give it a try. I took one 100 mg tablet of niacin. I don't know
|
|
if it did any good or not.
|
|
|
|
A little after this point - I was alone in the apartment, and had been alone
|
|
through the whole trip - I called a very good friend and trip buddy, telling
|
|
him that "I'm having a bad trip and I can't get out." I felt very ashamed,
|
|
because one of my own rules for drug taking is that I can't use drugs to put
|
|
obligations on other people. But my friend was happy to help me out, and was
|
|
a soothing voice and a shoulder to lean on when I really, really needed one.
|
|
|
|
By this time, I felt like a raving nut. I would prop up my face in my hands,
|
|
then cover my mouth with my hands, then bite my fingers, then rub my nose,
|
|
then rub my hands through my hair, then rub my eyes, then bite my thumbnail,
|
|
then lean my chin on my hand - all in the course of a couple of seconds. I
|
|
thought that I probably sounded like that woman in the diner in the movie
|
|
"Slacker." ("You shouldn't. You should not. You should't. You shouldn't.
|
|
You shouldn't traumatize a woman sexually. You shouldn't. You should not...")
|
|
|
|
Except that my dialogue was at the same time more coherent and more troubled:
|
|
"I feel so alienated. I look at people. I look at them talk. I look at
|
|
people talk and I can't understand them. I mean I understand what they are
|
|
saying, and I know what the words mean, but I don't understand the transaction
|
|
that's taking place. I don't know the rules. I try to talk, but people look
|
|
at me and expect me to say more and I don't know the rules. I look at people
|
|
and I don't understand. Nobody knows who I am. I can't understand them. I'm
|
|
trying to say I feel alienated. Like I'm not one of them. They're doing
|
|
something when they talk and it's not in the words and I can't understand what
|
|
it is."
|
|
|
|
I mean, really, really, bonkers call the men in the white suits stuff. Most
|
|
of the above was in reference to a party I went to the night before where I
|
|
didn't know very many of the people in attendance. They had social conventions
|
|
in common, and shared interests (Star Trek and the Rocky Horror Picture Show)
|
|
that I did not share with them, so in a way it was as though I'd landed on
|
|
another planet. But my feelings of alienation had been extrapolated to include
|
|
the whole human race.
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|
|
|
It was bad. I have new understanding for the tales of people who took acid
|
|
and committed suicide. For a long time I thought of these tales as drug war
|
|
propaganda or coincidence. Now I have a little more understanding of how a
|
|
pre-existing depression could be catapulted into a state of absolute hopeless-
|
|
ness under the influence of a psychedelic.
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|
|
|
9:10 - Coming down finally.
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|
|
|
And rapidly, too. The whole coming-down time seemed to take about fifteen
|
|
minutes. One minute I was babbling nonsense and biting my fingers, the next
|
|
minute I'm sipping tea and putting some Paul Simon on the CD player. Perhaps
|
|
the niacin took effect, or maybe thats the unfamiliar HBWS curve again.
|
|
|
|
What lessons can the readers of alt.drugs get from my tale of woe? HBWS did
|
|
not give me a bad trip. HBWS gave me a powerful trip that was bad because of
|
|
the soil the seeds were planted in: an emotionally troubled mind. HBWS is
|
|
powerful juju. It's not a poor substitute for the real thing; it IS the real
|
|
thing. My recommendation: Do not trip on a psychedelic drug if you're in a
|
|
bad mood, depressed, or suffering from some sort of emotional turmoil. And,
|
|
finally, think twice about tripping alone.
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|
|
|
Personally, I'm going to stay away from drugs, ginseng, chocolate, and
|
|
concentrated sugar for a couple of weeks at least, just to do an evaluation
|
|
of where my head's at and make sure I'm not falling prey to the family curse.
|
|
I feel much better this morning (last night I was sure I'd never recover),
|
|
although a bit apprehensive. I'm going to treat psychedelics in a much more
|
|
reverent fashion from here on out, and tread more lightly on my mind.
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From: popeyeti@access1.digex.net (Pope Electric Yeti)
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
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Subject: Baby Hawaiian Woodrose
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Message-ID: <2idggt$t2g@news1.digex.net>
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Date: 29 Jan 94 11:15:41 GMT
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I had a really bad trip on these once, good at first, like being drunk
|
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with trippy visuals.Then everything started to spin and I got sick. I
|
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became really scared and convinced that I was going to die. I had to go
|
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to a friends house to chill out when it was all over. Never again...
|
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Spend your money on good blotter or 'shrooms, but you *really* might want
|
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to stay away from this one....
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Anybody else have this kind of experience?
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Pope.
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From: 25u7gardinie@vms.csd.mu.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
|
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Subject: My HBWR experiences
|
|
Date: 1 Feb 1994 01:11:21 GMT
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Message-ID: <009795F5.D1B78320@vms.csd.mu.edu>
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I have been following the thread on HBWR and felt it about time to
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share my own experiences in the area. By no means am I refuting anything
|
|
already said, I am only offering my own experience for consideration to
|
|
those willing to listen. I like the seeds. I have had rather nice
|
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experiences with them and will continue to use them from time to time.
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|
The worst physical side effect I have had from them was stomach cramping
|
|
and that was without dramamine. The method I have used with the seeds is
|
|
fairly simple. I grind up the number I am going to ingest and then soak
|
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them in water for an hour or two. Then I drain the water so as to seperate
|
|
the seed matter from it. I toss the seed matter away (I don't remember
|
|
where, perhaps Jonathon Ott, I'll check, but anyways, I remember reading
|
|
that the alkaloids responsible for much of the toxic symptoms are not water
|
|
soluble and therefore will remain in the seed matter). Anyways, the
|
|
resulting drink I am left with I ingest over 30-45 minutes. This also
|
|
seems to reduce the bad effects. The only part I find annoying is the
|
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lethargy, but that seems to be overcome by setting as I have had many
|
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enjoyable walks while under the effects although the first few steps took
|
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one hell of a lot of will power. I would suggest though that anyone
|
|
interested in exploring these start out with a small amount and work their
|
|
way up. A previous poster mentioned 20-30 seeds. I personally would never
|
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take that many seeds, at least not at this point in time. my max currently
|
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is about 13 or so. My first time was with 8 or 9. Well, hopefully someone
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found this to be of some value.
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From: ceh1@acpub.duke.edu (Charles Eric Horowitz)
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|
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
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Subject: HBWS, works for me!
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Message-ID: <2j90ik$sl@news.duke.edu>
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Date: 8 Feb 94 21:35:16 GMT
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After not reading for a while, I tried to catch up
|
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with the news and read several negative posts concerning
|
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Hawaiin Babay Woodrose Seeds, so I thought Id relate
|
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my experience with them. First off, my one time with
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them (Havent really had 8 hours to blow on them),
|
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about 2 weeks ago had some litigating circumstances
|
|
which could have effected them. First I had only
|
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2 hours of sleep the night before, and second I took
|
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8 of them(with the white fungus coating scraped off)
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at about midnight. About 3 minutes after completely
|
|
chewing them, I began feeling really slow and lazy,
|
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and got pretty hot and uncomfortanble(i had not taken any dramamine). I got
|
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the dry heaves a few times, but since I hadnt eaten in
|
|
hours, I was OK. After about 40 minutes of this hot,
|
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nausious(sp?) really lazy feeling, with no trippy results,
|
|
I said, forget it! and went to bed. About an hour and a half
|
|
later I woke up feeling like I was on a boat in a hurricane.
|
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My equilibrium was completely out of whack, so I got up to get
|
|
some water. When I went into the bathroom and looked in the mirror,
|
|
I saw that my pupils were the size of the entire iris, so guessing that
|
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the seeds had worked, I stepped back about a foot and began to stare at
|
|
myself to see what would happen.
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Unfortunately, I had taken my lenses out to go to sleep so I was now nearly
|
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blind, however, sure enough, I began to warp and twist and invert into myself.
|
|
I also noticed at this point that the dizzy feeling was gone and now
|
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I actually felt rather euphoric. I noticed that the walls were breathing
|
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rather gently. I spent the next few hours experimenting and pretty much
|
|
determined that I could will what would happen(i.e., I could stare at
|
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my hand and make my fingers grow really long, etc). I spent a few minutes
|
|
talking to the ceiling(those circular light holes sure look like mouths,
|
|
especially when their breathing). I only got to talk to one person that night
|
|
and the floor was breathing, and he kept rising and falling about a foot and a
|
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half up and down, rather amusingly. Anyway, by four or so I began feeling
|
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really tired so I tried to go back to bed. Unfortunately I couldnt stay
|
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asleep for more than a few minutes at a time as anytime I laid down, that
|
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dizzy, off balance feeling returned, yet whenever I stood or sat, I felt
|
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really close to euphoria. Finally got to sleep at about 8, and didnt wake
|
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up until 3 or so, and felt really strung out the rest of the day.
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Im hoping that next time I try these, its with sleep, and dramamine and
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a little earlier in the day, but overall I rather enjoyed the exp.
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CHUCK
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From: lewis@aera2.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
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Subject: Woodrose seeds from T.A.E. report
|
|
Date: 18 May 1994 19:23:43 GMT
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Message-ID: <2rdq00$jv5@linus.mitre.org>
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Two different shipments of HBWR seeds from the same source, two years apart.
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#1 (then): Seeds were light brown and had concave spots with a very hard
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shell. ~150 mg.
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#2 (now): Seeds are dark brown and *hairy*. They are almost double the
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size (~275 mg). Convex, with an equally hard shell.
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What's the deal? Were the old ones immature? What about potency?
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These new things scare me!
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--Keith Lewis klewis@mitre.org PGP key available.
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.. pH balanced for your decisions, your life. -- Proctor & Gamble
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The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
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From: weeleaze@eos.ncsu.edu (WILLIAM E ELEAZER)
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.hemp
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Subject: Baby Wood Rose Tried
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Date: 22 May 1994 23:13:30 GMT
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Message-ID: <2roouq$maa@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>
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Well I sent off to T.A.E for some Baby Wood Rose Seeds
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and they convinced me to get the sample kit which
|
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consisted of maybe 200 hemp seeds (precooked), about
|
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25 each of Wood Rose and Baby Wood Rose seeds. A friend
|
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and I rubbed the hairs off of 8 Baby Wood Rose seeds,
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ground them to a pulp in a mortar and pestle, split it in
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half, mixed it with a cup of coffee and drank the mix.
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We had to spoon out the grit ( the ground Baby Wood Rose Seeds)
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out because it all sunk to the bottom. When I did this
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it tasted exactly like what really good blotter tastes like,
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but the taste went away pretty quickly. There was no
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ensuing trip. Anyone have any comments?
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