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In article <1993Jan27.010801.14907@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mcarney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael Carney) writes:
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>I'm looking for anyone who has any information concerning the use
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> of Jimson weed for it's halucinagenic properties. I have been able
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> to find references to it's use by Native Americans in history as
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> well as this century, as recently as the 60s. From what I've been
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> able to find, this is a powerful drug, so I would like to recieve
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> some information from someone who has actually used this drug before
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Jimson weed is Datura Stramonium, a member of the nightshade family.
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The active chemicals in Jimson include atropine, scopolamine, and
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hyoscamine. The buzz from this family of psychotropic plants is more
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like a dilerium with very strong hallucinations than anything else.
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Jimson is very poisonous, the buzz couldn't really be described as
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recreational, and I wouldn't try it, myself. If you decide to
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experiment with it, be *extremely* careful, because just a little too
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much could kill you. I have tried smoking a small amount of Datura
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Inoxia, and the buzz is interesting, but not overly pleasant. It has
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been reported that Datura Inoxia has been added to marijuana for extra
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effects, but I don't have any firsthand knowledge of this combination,
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since I personally wouldn't even *think* of doing any *illegal* drugs. ;-)
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It's possible that Datura Stramonium could be used in the same way,
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but I haven't heard or read of anyone trying this.
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-Alan Harder
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ash@math.ams.org
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The opinions expressed above are not the opinions of the American
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Mathematical Society. They aren't even my opinions, really, I'm just
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borrowing them.
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Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
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From: harris@scorch.apana.org.au (Michael Brown)
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Subject: Re: Datura Stramonium
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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 15:17:09 GMT
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Message-ID: <1993Apr6.151709.466@scorch.apana.org.au>
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ez026264@hamlet.ucdavis.edu (The God of Apathy) writes:
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|Does anybody know where to get Datura Stramonium seeds or live plants?
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|DS is commonly called jimsonweed or thorn apple and it is a native weed to CA, but I don't know where to find it.
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Actually Datura is one psychoactive that you may be wiser to have
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nothing to do with. I shall quote a passage from
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Psychedelic_Drugs_Reconsidered , a generally pro-psychedelic
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text.
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Anticholinergenic Deleriants.
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These drugs are not usually regarded as psychedelic , although
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they have a great deal in common historically, culturally, and
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pharmacologically with other drugs taken for their mind-altering
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powers. They are called anticholinergic because they block the
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action f acetylcholine , a nerve transmitter substance that
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controlls the contraction of skeletal muscles and also plays an
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important role in the chemistry of the brain. They are called
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deleriants because their effects at high doses include incoherent
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speach, disorientation, delusions, an halucinations , often
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followed by depression and amnesia for the period of intoxication.
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The classical anticholinergic delirients are the belladonna
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alkaloids:
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These tropane derivatives, the most powerfull and important of
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which is scopolamine, are found in differing concentrations in
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various plants of the Nightshade Family or Solanaceae, among them
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deadly nightshade (Atropa belladona), mandrake (Mandragora
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officinarum), black henbane (Hyoscyamus niger), jimsonweed (Datura
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stramonium, and over twenty other species of henbane and datura.
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Of all psychoactive drugs , only alcohol has been in use for so
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long over such a large part of the world. For thousands of years
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on all inhabited continents the belladonna alkaloids have been a
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tool of shamans and sorcerers, who take advantage of the
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sensations they evok to leave their bodies, soar through the air,
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or change into an animal in their imagination. They also produce
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toxic organic symptoms like headache, dry throat, loss of motor
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control, blurred vision , and greatly increased heart rate and and
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body temperature; death from paralysis and respiratory may occur.
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The belladonna alkaloids are so terrifying and incapacitating -
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the physical effects often so unpleasant, and the loss of contact
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with ordinary reality so complete - that they are used only with
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great caution and rarely for pleasure. For the same reasons,
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ironically, they are not regarded as a drug abuse problem and can
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be bought in small doses on perscription or in over-the-counter
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sedatives and pills for asthma, colds, and motion sickness.
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END QUOTE
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And Yes Folks , it seems that if you know the the right car
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sickness tablets to buy , you can take a fair few and you'll trip
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out quite severly . I know of several people that used to swear by
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it , untill one got caught by police doing bizzare things and
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totaly out of controll in Newcastle. He was arested and when he
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went to court he could not convice the judge that car sickness
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tablets could do that , so he was done for a more serious drug
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offence.
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--
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| Michael Brown at Craggenmoore Public Access Unix |
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| Data: (049) 611695 harris@scorch.apana.org.au |
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|"Though the names may change each face retains the mask it wore." |
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`--------------------------------------------- Peter Gabriel -------------'
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Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
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From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell)
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Subject: Re: Datura Stramonium
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 00:26:45 GMT
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Message-ID: <C5G6KL.28B@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
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In article <1993Apr13.193317.1@summer.chem.su.oz.au> morgan_j@summer.chem.su.oz.au writes:
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>The following was clipped from 'The Sydney Morning Herald', 13/4/93
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>EXPERTS TRUMPET DANGERS OF SHRUB
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>Brisbane: Chewing the leaves of the ornamental shrub known as Angel's Trumpet
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>to get a cheap "high" was a dangerous pastime that could kill, authorities
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>warned yesterday.
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[large section of article deleted]
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>Angel's Trumpet is a tall shrub with coarse foliage which owes its ornamental
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>value to its white 20 cm long trumpet shaped flowers. In garden books it is
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>listed as datura arborea but has recently been reclassified as species
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>brugmansia.
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>One authoritative volume stresses that revision of the name be noted so the
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>plant is not bought by mistake.
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>While the advice concerning the dangerous properties of datura is probably
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>worth heeding, there are some amusing hysterical overstatements.
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Mmmmmaybe. _Brugmansia_ spp. are related to _Datura_, true...but the
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"tree Daturas" are not quite the same as far as chemical makeup as what we
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all know as Datura. Brugmansias, as a whole group, are _significantly_
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more potent (having a higher and somewhat different alkaloid makeup) than
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Daturas of any species. Even Schultes and Hoffman, in _Plants_of_the_Gods_,
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treat these as two very different plants, with their own separate sections
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in the book.
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Incidentially, Schultes and Hoffman also note that neither
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_Brugmansia_arborea_ nor _Datura_arborea_ is the correct classification
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of this plant. Its proper taxonomic identification is _Brugmansia_aurea_,
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which is the most widespread of the Brugmansias in the Andes, where they
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are native.
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Yes, I'd say this would be some hysterical overstatements if this
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were an article on Datura, also. But this is Brugmansia we're dealing
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with here...a very different plant. There's also been deaths from it in
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the USA in the tropical regions (Florida, and such) because of people
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treating it lightly like they might _Datura_stramonium_. It's not a plant
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for casual play, in my experience and opinion.
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D.A.C. Crowell
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Computer Music Project/School of Music
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University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
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(dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu)
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From: chris@hacktic.nl (chris)
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
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Subject: Re: Datura, MG seeds, etc...
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Date: 18 Jan 1994 18:31:40 +0100
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Message-ID: <2hh6eaINNs0@xs4all.hacktic.nl>
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sm1968@u.cc.utah.edu (stephen miller) writes:
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>: What is the possibility of ending up in a psych hospital from using either of
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>: these?
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>I have a friend that took a handful at the NV testsite this summer. He
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>experienced thre days of intense delirium. On his third day he showed up
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>at my doorstep in Salt Lake City and proceded to tell me the story with
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>full hyper-metaphoric-spiritual insight detours over the course of about
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>three or four hours (it might have been more--the memory, y'know).
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>Anyway, this winter he still insists that he has not fully recovered.
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> Apparently this is the deal: the seeds are *HEAVY*DUTY* If you
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>are seriously into fucking with (remapping) your head in seriously chaotic
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>ways--this is your "vehicle" if you think you can survive it (my friend
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>probably almost didn't). A much milder version of this trip (one that is,
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>so I have heard, relatively safe) can be had by making a tea with the
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>leaves. I have not tried this and do not specifically recall anyone else
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>who had first-hand experience. My friend threw the remainder of his seeds
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>out the window, so perhaps in the spring....
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> Stephen Miller
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I can confirm the validity of the description above from my own experience.
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This was from a TEA made out of the leaves of Datura Stramonium.
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If you want hallucinations this is your drug. However "you" are not there
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to experience them. This stuff takes over completely and irreversibly for
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at least 24 hours. Stupidly, I went out while the effects had not yet
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fully started. After having been thrown out of a bar, where I was
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desperately searching for my briefcase that was suposed to be there someplace
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(but which i hadn't even with me ) I found myself in a city that i did not
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recognize. I did not remember where I came from , where to go , what do do,
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who I was, let alone what I was doing there at this time of night, nor did
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I have any clue how to get "home" as far as there was still a conception
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of what home might be. There was complete retrograde amnesia: no acces to
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any knowledge at all. In the mean time I had encounters with people I knew
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, that were able to do a disapearing act. Just by standing behind a light
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pole they could make themselves invisible. (This must be the "witches sabbath"
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hallucination , which seems recurrent in this type of delirium: the very
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very real hallucination of speaking with people). Also I was constantly
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hallucinating that I was smoking a cigarette, which whould suddenly disappear
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leaving me searching te street , thinking that i dropped it. Witches are
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actually shrubs growing in front yards (they live underground, the
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branches are the hairs) Lots and lots of little bugs hand each other berries
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along branches. I must have walked the same street 50 times back and forth
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Wanting to get somewhere , forgetting were i was going to or were i was
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in the first place. A small statue of a child alongside the road started
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laughing and laughing harder and harder every time i passed, it was a
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ridiculous sight to see this idiot come by for the 40th time, even for a
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statue. And so on . For 24 hours. It was a really interesting experience,
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not a nice one, I could not see straight for a week (due to
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anticholinergic parasympatholytic effect of atropine/scopolamine.)
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Only for those who want to be able to say that they tried EVERYTHING.
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chris
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