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From: cmullen@ocds.cs.oberlin.edu (Charles Mullen)
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
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Subject: Cloud 9 Review
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Date: 14 Oct 93 10:25:49
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Message-ID: <CMULLEN.93Oct14102549@ocds.cs.oberlin.edu>
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I don't know if all the questions have been answered in regards to cloud 9,
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the alleged e substitute. I hardly have all the answers.. But what I do know,
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is the following. Friday night two friends of mine tried cloud 9. One of them
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was intoxicated from drinking about 6 or 7 beers. The other was sober. The
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capsules that cloud 9 come in are huge. They swallowed the capsules and waited.
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Within an hour they were both extremely sleepy, yet felt an urge to chat with
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people at the same time. It was not in any way comparable to e, according to
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both of them. Oh well.... Sorry about the bandwidth if you guys already know
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all this.
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Spencer Mullen .... OCMR 1555 Oberlin, OH 44074 .... 216.774.1633
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From: coutsoft@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Coutsoftides)
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Subject: Re: Cloud 9 Review
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Message-ID: <1993Oct19.031123.21857@cheshire.oxy.edu>
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 03:11:23 GMT
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I don't think Clound 9 is GHB... it's a whole lot of organic material.
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Ground up herbs and such... it didn't taste salty like GHB...
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M.
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From: phase@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Phase)
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
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Subject: Re: cloud-9
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 19:15:37 EST
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Message-ID: <qwFHic1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>
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graham@cs.montana.edu (Jonathan Graham) writes:
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> A friend of mine said that a couple of days ago, he was reading
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> High Times and saw an ad for Cloud-9 by mail order. Does anyone know
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> about its effects, side-effects, hazards, problems? He said that it is
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> legal, but he wants to know if anyone has tried it and any other useful
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> info. Anything that I could pass along to him would probably be most
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> appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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>
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>
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> -J.
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A friend of mine has purchased and tried Cloud-9. I read the brocure
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it's distributers mail out on request, and it's very vague and unspecific,
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and it tries to make this herbal placebo sound like a good replacement
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for MDMA. Not a chance...
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He bought the caplets from a health food store, for around $10 a piece.
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He said it produced a definate warmth sensation, but it was very minimal,
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and that a cup of coffe was way more psychoactive. He said it was a total
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waste of money, and he wouldn't take it in the future even if it was free.
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It's a placebo "sugar-pill".
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At that price, there's far more worthwhile herbs and synthetics to spend
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my money on.
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phase@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
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Message-ID: <082302Z10021994@anon.penet.fi>
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
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From: an65129@anon.penet.fi
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 08:15:12 UTC
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Subject: CLOUD 9
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Well I've heard a lot about people asking about cloud 9. I would
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just like to tell you all that I have tried it and didn't notice a thing
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once and noticed a little another time. The first time I tried it I went
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to a rave and I felt real active and excited. The second time I sat
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around my house and felt little more than awake. The people who make it
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say that you have to get out and be real active for the stuff to work.
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(It supposedly feeds off chemicals already in your body, like adrenaline
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and stuff) Thats mainly what I've found. If anyone has any more direct
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questions, just email me and I answer all of em.
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BTW, I was talking to someone about it through email and I seemed to have
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lost his address, If this was you then send me your address again.
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(I think his name was Tom)
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Bye bye.
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From: an056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gregory Winer)
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Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
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Subject: Re: Cloud 9
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Date: 4 Apr 1994 17:56:45 GMT
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Message-ID: <2npkct$h0a@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
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[quoted text deleted -cak]
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I've tried it...The experience was VERY similar to a caffine coctail
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(caffine and ephidrine) dose. IMHO, It's nothing like "X". Save your
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bucks, and buy some no-doze and mini-thins, if you're into that kinda
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thing.
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Message-ID: <121310Z11041994@anon.penet.fi>
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
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From: an80196@anon.penet.fi
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Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 12:04:48 UTC
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Subject: Cloud 9
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>In article <98B1Jc3w165w@mindvox.phantom.com>, Thermodynamix (tdx@mindvox.phantom.com) writes:
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>>Cloud 9 may be obtained from:
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>> Advanced Research 2000
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>> P.O. Box 494490
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>> Redding, CA 96049
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>> (916)223-2000
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>Okay so I called. You can order 10 capsules for $120. But before
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>I or anyone else does this lets hear some personal testimonials.
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>Anyone out there ever try this stuff???????
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>
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Okay, I called some time ago, and obtained the stuff.
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My roomate with a friend tried a capsule each. Waited but nothing happened.
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I tried two capsules, again nothing happened.
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Did not even feel any stimulant effects ! A cup or two of coffee will
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definately be stronger.
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For all those posts with a stiry like : I met such and such at and she/he
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couldn't stop smilling .... etc, etc... FOAF said she/he was on
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*some new pill* called Cloud ...
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These stories are : a) a hoax to make people on the net get interested
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or
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b) confused reviews since some clubs throw parties
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under names like "white cloud", or cloud whatever.
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At these usually all dress in pure white ( as opposed
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to the pure black of the 80's) and take X and
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generally have lots-and-lots of fun.
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So, I recommend to perspective buyers to beware.
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Actually I am surprised
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that almost none on the net has relayed any personal tries of this
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hoax, of cloud 9 passing as a XTC substitute. On the bright side none has
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said anything positive either.
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From: hawks@benji.Colorado.EDU (andy)
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Subject: Re: Cloud 9
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Message-ID: <hawks.766168310@benji.Colorado.EDU>
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Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 16:31:50 GMT
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[quoted text deleted -cak]
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There was that front page story in the Colorado Daily you might
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(should) have read about two weeks ago...If I remember correctly, of
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the four or so people who were willing to share their xperiences with
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Cloud 9 bought at Nootrophia or Ground Zer0 in Boulder, one person
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just felt sick after taking one or two capsules, one person reported
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empathogen-like effects after taking it for three days continuously,
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one person didn't notice anything . . . .
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I had been wanting to take it after first hearing about it On The
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Hill, and then right after that it's populartity exploded wheen it
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started showing up on rave flyers at Wax Trax. Soon after that was
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when the Colorado Daily front-page article appeared, and the police
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said they were going to do their tests on it and I'm sure the Daily
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will publish what the plice want to say about it (if that's worth
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anything). Odds are they'll just say "it's a bunch of natural stuff
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which you could mostly get at Alfalfa's or Wild Oats market and so any
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effects that compare to those of ecstacy are largely psychosomatic."
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I would suppose it would be extremely dissappointing to get one's
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hopes up for this shit, especially anyone who's had any experience
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with any of the designer drugs it's supposed to mirror (but mild
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enough to be legal), like ecstacy. TSS. I think the interest in
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Cloud 9 is from the same group of people who approach lsd with that "i
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would but i want to do it naturally, so i'll do shrooms instead of acid"
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mindset, just replace ecstacy with acid and Cloud 9 with shrooms.
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But, of course, the parallel is flimsy at best, since not only or lsd
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and shrooms fairly different, but ecstacy and Cloud 9 are not even on
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tthe same level of intensity with each other.
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Here's a reprint of Nootrophia's flyer on Cloud 9, for what it's
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worth. It's vague, promotional, meant to sell the stuff, probably
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doing mmore harm than good:
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NOOTROPHIA PRESENTS CLOUD 9
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The Next Level of Conciousness
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o Cloud 9 is a natural supplement, which has a dramatic stimulating
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effect. Each capsule is 850 mg.
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o Could 9 is a natural herbal extract formula imported from the high
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mountains of Tibett and Siberia.
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o It is 100% organic, legal, safe and is registered as a food
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supplement. No, there are no known side efffects. (There are no
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claims or refunds of this product).
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o It gives people a natural, safe and fulfilling alternative, which
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will improve the scene, [rave scene, if it can still be called
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that, I guess] and good health of all Americans.
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o Cloud 9 is currently being sold in the US, UK, France, Australia,
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and sooon Tokyo. Nootrophia is proud to offer a new way to aprty
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in Colorado.
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"I dig this stuff, it feels like an incredible euphoria! It's
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antural, oorganic, and safe. What more could yoou want to improve the
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scene?" -F.P. Hollywood Hills, CA
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"The best part about Cloud 9 is you feel great the next day, unlike
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the crash X can give you." -B.Z. Sydney, Australia
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"I'm a promoter here in the UK and it's been a pleasure to see people
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changing over to Cloud 9 at the events here, we feel that it is about
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time for a product l;ike this to come about without harmful side
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effects." -P.G. London, UK
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"I was skeptical at first when I heard about Cloud 9, but after
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experiencing it I'm a lifetime distributor and consumer." -S.R.
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Hosuton, TX
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"I just didn't want to stop dancing. What a great feeling." -M.C.
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Denver, CO
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The Designed Effects Are:
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1) Warm Sensation
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2) Energy Rush
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3) Creates Euphoria
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4) Enhanced male & female sexual responses
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5) Enhances all five senses
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There ar no refunds on this product.
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From: tiffanyde@urvax.urich.edu (Derek Tiffany)
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Newsgroups: alt.rave
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Subject: Re: Cloud 9
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Message-ID: <1994Apr12.074849.26505@gossip.urich.edu>
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Date: 12 Apr 94 09:51:58 GMT
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[quoted text deleted -cak]
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I have talked to about 5 people who have tried it...and no one has ever
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gotten anything out of it...that's all I know...
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later days and sunny rays,
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Derek Tiffany | TIFFaNydE@urvax.urich.edu | This space for rent
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University of Richmond | djt0u@aurora.urich.edu |<= djt{zero}u@aurora...
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or just plain derek if you prefer
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Subject: RE: Cloud 9
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Message-ID: <2oeud0$8dv@carina.unm.edu>
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From: xstatic@unm.edu (greggory kevin sandovalotecon)
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Date: 12 Apr 1994 13:56:16 -0600
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As I mailed kotobi@unm.edu, Cloud 9 is total and complete CRAP!
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I saw an ad for it in Sin and I thought it would be cool to try out,
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since I was running a smart bar in the city at that time. I called the info
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line and left my name and phone number as requested and recieved a return phone
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call at about 8:00 p.m. the following day. I talked to a very nice lady on
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the phone and she described her product and how they were looking to find a
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distributor for our area, because they didn't have one yet. They offered to
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sell us a 100 count bottle for $5 a piece, the 'wholesale' price, I guess. I
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thought to myself, "Damn! That's a lot of money!" But we said it was too
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expensive and declined her offer.
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I receieved another call back with another offer for a 10 count bottle
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for $30 + shipping. Some friends and I accepted and recieved the bottle three
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days later. We decided to give it a try at the Halloween rave. Well, one friend
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got completely sick, flushed and generally irratated. Another got nothing at
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all, no 'increases energy, mild euphoria, increased sexual response,' NOTHING!
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I took it and was milded irratated, kinda like a niacin flush, and a bit
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sick.
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Later that week, I opened up one of the capsules I had left to see
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what was in it. It looked and smelled EXACTLY like the ephedra that Durk &
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andy use in their 'Thermogen Tea' formula. The powder was a fuzzy brown and
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smelled vaguely spicey.
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My guess is all it is is EPHEDRA and maybe some ginseng or kava kava.
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It's not worth $15-$20 a pop, especially when they recommend taking TWO pills.
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I suggest locating some Mini Thins and taking some of those before you take
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'the legal alternative to MDMA.' Its better and a hell of a lot cheaper! Don't
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buy the sale pitch that its a cot effective alternative to Ecstasy. It's a
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complete RIP-OFF! You're probably better off buying from the shadey E-dealer
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than you are from the Cloud 9 peddler. At least you might wind up with
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something good from the dealer!!
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Another alternative I've found that works is 'Happy Camper' available
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from any GNC store at the mall. It comes in a nice happy yellow,green and red
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bottle of 60. It's got kava kava, gotu kola nut, siberian ginseng, guarana?
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and other natural stimulants that really work! Take about two or three and if
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like it share with yer friends! A couple of those, a smart drink with
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l-phenylalanine and you'll be better off than taking that crap Cloud 9 stuff.
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Spread the word about this product: SAY NO TO CLOUD 9 !!!
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Peace, love & respect,
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Gregg S
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DJ Intensity
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xstatic@carina.unm.edu
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p.s. massive SHOUT 2 all the 'ardcore Junglistic massives! Hold it down!
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From: hannon@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (HANNON PADRAIC I)
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Subject: Re: Cloud 9
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Message-ID: <hannon.766217799@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>
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Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 06:16:39 GMT
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It took Cloud 9 about a month ago, and except for a BRIEF burst of energy
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similair to honey it did nothing, especially at $15 a pop. Take X instead
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it definatly is not an alternative or a substitute in any way shape or form.
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From: zichi@spot.Colorado.EDU (Yogi)
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Subject: Re: Cloud 9
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Message-ID: <Co6xHw.AKL@cnsnews.Colorado.EDU>
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Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 09:10:44 GMT
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In article <2oeqv3$5jc@draco.unm.edu>, <kotobi@unm.edu> wrote:
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>Hmm..That's interesting. The distributer at the rave was a company from
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>Colorado I think, they were called Nootropics. They were passing out flyers
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>for Cloud 9 as well as selling it. They also were selling something
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>called Yohimbix. They said it was an aphrodisiac (sp?). I'm assuming
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>it's yohimbine bark. Anybody have any experience with Cloud 9, Yohombix,
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>or any other legal "drug" that is sold at raves? Please reply!
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I was at the giveaway in Colorado when Nootropics was first trying
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to market the stuff. After taking it, and talking to about another dozen
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people at the club, we all agreed that it was EPHEDRINE (white cross).
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From reading the other posts on here, I would surmise that this is
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happening all over the nation. So, to sum it up for everyone who is
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wondering:
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Cloud 9 is BOGUS! Cloud 9 is EPHEDRINE!
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From: Dale Shin <ds7p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
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Subject: Cloud 9
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Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 14:48:50 -0400
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Message-ID: <EhghMGy00iV0A8Pn1y@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Well, I did it with my friends last thursday. Boy, it was something.
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It's not at all like ecstasy though. I tried x once and supposedly it
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was more heroin than x so I guess I can't really say.
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I took one dose, which is two capsules of cloud 9. I also took one
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capsule of nirvana-6 which is supposed to boost/enhance the effects. I
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was very skeptical after reading a post here that described a cup of
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coffee being stronger. That is not altogether true, at least with me.
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Later we smoked some sticks of tea and so this is cloud 9 together with
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the effects of THC.
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We did as prescribed, taking it on an empty stomach. I had lunch at
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around one o'clock and took the pill at around six that evening. After
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about an hour I started to feel something. First, I could feel a
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strange weirdness in my stomach. Not butterflies, but kind of like the
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feeling you get when you dose on acid and the first tremors of it affect
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your stomach. The whole time I was on cloud 9 I also felt a nervous
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tension I also get with acid. Except this was very low key. On acid,
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my whole body tenses; my jaw and head especially. Cloud 9 did not do
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that but gave a very similar tension emanating from my stomach at a very
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low volume.
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If I tilted my head back so I could look straight up at the sky and then
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slowly face forward at a normal angle, my whole scalp tingled. Every
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time I ran my fingers through my hair it plowed a path of tingling
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sensations in my scalp. My other friends felt the same. I liked that a
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lot. That was about the only physical sensation I noticed, that and my
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stomach feeling strange. Later my stomach started to hurt a little, but
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as soon as I started to talk again it went away. Later, the tingles,
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which lasted about two hours, went away and then at one point my heart
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seemed to beat with irregularity. It felt like my heart was being
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overtaxed, kind of like heartburn but no burning sensation.
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My friend took two doses, six capsules in all, and he felt all those
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effects in the first half-hour. We were having a carnival at our school
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and he felt sick after we rode the pirate ship which goes up and down
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really high. I had the greatest time on it though, lifting my hands up
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every time we went to the top. My friend though declined from riding
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anymore after that.
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We all had strange periods where our stomachs would start to hurt. But
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if you keep talking, we found that it went away. You know, get your
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mind off it then all will be better.
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In terms of being an ecstasy substitue, nay I say. I did feel like
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doing things instead of just sitting around and stuff but everyone else
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seemed really beat. And I guess it could feel like the after effects of
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an all nighter with coffee and vivarin. I am not going to try this
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again. I don't think it's worth $20. In terms of mood, I felt good
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however, but that's because I like anything that alters my brain even a
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little bit. But if you're expecting some drastic things to happen,
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you'll be disappointed. It does give you a light, tense feeling for
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about seven hours.
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I told my friends who weren't on it about the tingling scalp and they
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just laughed saying it's not worth it. If you like your scalp to
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tingle, then this is the drug ( I mean vitamins) for you.
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Message-ID: <214308Z05061994@anon.penet.fi>
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
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From: an80196@anon.penet.fi (Xist)
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Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 21:39:46 UTC
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Subject: CLOUD 9? Is this stuff real?
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ecto@babylon.montreal.qc.ca (Bradley J. Finlay) writes :
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>
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>I dunno if this is fer real or not. I don't know anyone personally that has
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>taken it (you'd have to get it mail order here) but I've read in Project-X
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>magazine that some of the staff took it and had various degrees of
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>experiences. Everything from a tingling scalp to a small caffeine rush to
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>nothing at all. It sounds to me that comparing it to 'e' is a bad idea.
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>espresso might be better (and it's natural too!).
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>
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>ecto
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According to my experiences and friends, CLOUD-9 is as good
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as a placebo.
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Nothing came on. Absolutely nothing. Not even caffeine-like
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effects. Not even a mild stimulation. These are the results of
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3-4 times of taking Cloud-9 myself and independent friends.
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All pills came from the same Cloud-9 sealed bottle.
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Try sugar next time, or parsley. Parsley you can smoke.
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Caveat Emptor, or whatever.
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Xist
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