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Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4 Num. 84
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("Quid coniuratio est?")
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INTERVIEW WITH DEBRA VON TRAPP
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By Sherman H. Skolnick
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(Transcribed by Brian Francis Redman)
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[Preliminary note: Mr. Skolnick is scheduled to appear on *Radio
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Free America*, 5.065 MHz, 9 pm cst, on Monday, May 8, 1995. He
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will be discussing, among other things, what he has learned about
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the tragic Oklahoma City bombing.]
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I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all or
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portions of the following.
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+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mr. Skolnick first speaks briefly to Conspiracy Nation, then re-
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plays his tape recording of his May 5th, 1995 interview with Ms.
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von Trapp.]
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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I had sent some faxes of some of our stories to Debra von Trapp.
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And she's with Trapp Technologies. And she called me, Friday
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evening, May 5th, 1995. And I told her I would like to tape a
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lengthy interview with her, to use on whatever media I could get
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it on -- whether on a radio show, or elsewhere.
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And so, this is the interview and discussion that I had with her.
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I may pause, from time to time, to -- well, I may have to go
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back, in fact, and look in our file and spell some of the names
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that are mentioned here, that are complicated. We've got some
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backup documents (news stories and so on, that support her story)
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with complicated names from where she used to work.
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But I'll begin the interview right now. You ready?
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CONSPIRACY NATION:
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Yeah. It's goin'.
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======= START OF MR. SKOLNICK'S INTERVIEW WITH VON TRAPP =======
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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What I wanted to find out first are some of the details; why you
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believe these things have been happening.
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DEBRA VON TRAPP:
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You mean which points?
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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Well, as I understand... Well, the point is, you have been a
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high-level technical expert, sort of on the cutting edge of high
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technology. Am I correct?
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DEBRA VON TRAPP:
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Yes.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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In the computer field, and you've done work, apparently,
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worldwide.
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DEBRA VON TRAPP:
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That's correct.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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In the course of your work, you found out certain things, such as
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that some companies were actually committing espionage and so on?
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DEBRA VON TRAPP:
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Yes. As an outside consultant to Xerox Corporation, I was
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selecting foreign management for a division called Shugart back
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in the early '80s in Germany, when I discovered that the Shugart
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division of Xerox was, in fact, bringing disk drives -- which
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were manufactured by [Matshusta(?)] in Japan -- they were
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manufactured there, brought into Sunnyvale, California, labeled
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for Shugart, and then sent to the Shugart Munich facility in
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Germany, where, after having been received under Cocomm(?)
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freight documents (which were legally forwarded in the U.S.), the
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freight documents were then changed to show that they were
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forwarded to destinations at Olivetti, Italy and a company in
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France (which were legal trading partners of the U.S.) when, in
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fact, the sales records were being changed and ultimately
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destroyed by the Shugart employees -- allegedly, for tax evasion
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purposes. But, in fact, the [disk] drives were being put on
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trucks and sent into the East Bloc, to an entity called
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IsoTempex(sp?); they were selling to the KGB.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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So in other words, this was early in the '80s, when it was really
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quite unlawful for American companies to be sending hard disk
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drives to the Eastern Bloc, am I correct?
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DEBRA VON TRAPP:
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That's correct.
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And at the same time, Xerox Corporation was, in fact, conducting
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CIA training camp at its Leesburg, Virginia facility.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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So some of the big companies in America have been into East-West
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espionage.
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DEBRA VON TRAPP:
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Yes. In fact, Aldrich Ames was the chief of Russian counter-
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intelligence at the time. And "Rick" Ames and a director of
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operations at Xerox/CIA (which was Daniel Starkey), he and Ames
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and a few senior officials, both at Xerox and the CIA, were
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pocketing the cash out of that operation.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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So in other words, there's some angles of the Aldrich Ames spy
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scandal that the, has not come out, which you're just mentioning
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now.
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DEBRA VON TRAPP:
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Right. But in fact, that all connects forward to what we're
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looking at today: with some of the same team of people out of CIA
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and FBI... Ultimately, that were involved with *all* of these
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folks.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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In other words, that the Aldrich Ames scandal, they haven't gone
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into *this*; there's a lot to it yet, in other words.
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DEBRA VON TRAPP:
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Yes.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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Tell me this: in the process of learning about this, this type of
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thing, I understand that you became knowledgeable about the fact
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that the Japanese have been spying on the Clinton White House. Is
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that correct?
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DEBRA VON TRAPP:
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That's correct. But it wasn't outside knowledge; I was inside
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that operation. Some of the same people that came out of that
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Xerox/"Rick" Ames scenario in the early '80s then transitioned...
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There's a specific person, Robert Goetzman, who is a high-ranking
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FBI official, who has what is known as "dual agency" -- he
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operates, also, out of the CIA -- and had a heavy relationship
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with Daniel Starkey out at Xerox.
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When I had, ultimately, decided to go to the FBI over what I knew
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about Xerox and then discovered that that investigation had been
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completely closed. And then I was ultimately threatened -- both
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myself and my son -- by Xerox officials and their outside
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counsel. When they failed to intimidate me, and I had actually
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ended up in litigation with them.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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Yeah, I noticed some of the stories from '91 and '92 about your
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litigation with Xerox.
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DEBRA VON TRAPP:
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That actually went up through this year. We were still in federal
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court, as of last year, over that.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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So in other words, some of these things have been a matter of
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court record, but are not too well-known to the public.
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DEBRA VON TRAPP:
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That's right. And actually, we have *substantial* court records,
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between myself and MCA, Mitsubishi, and Xerox, at different times
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while they've tried to insure that I wouldn't discuss this with
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any of the mainstream media or have the public become
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knowledgeable about it.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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So you are of the opinion that, from what you know, that there's
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a tremendous fight between the Washington government and the
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Tokyo government -- sort of a financial fight, having to do with
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the Yen/Dollar ratio, and so on?
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DEBRA VON TRAPP:
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Yes. And that's derivative of the fact that Robert Goetzman, when
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he approached me on behalf of Xerox in 1991 to dissuade me, by
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threat, to get out of court with them, he did not identify
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himself as FBI. He introduced himself as being from the Executive
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Office of the President, under Mr. Bush. And ultimately, [he]
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persuaded me, by threat, as a trade-off to not having my son
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killed, to cooperate with them in introductions to CEOs and
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chairmen within the computer industry to be able to view their,
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what we would know as their "black hole technology", which was
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technology and development that was very advanced, that was not
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released to the public and was well-ahead of the government
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developments in various projects, in many cases. And that
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introduction, and that project that we were on, was actually a
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national network surveillance project that was partially based
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out of an Air Force base in Alabama, and was related to the
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officers from the Air Force that were in the downed aircraft in
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Alabama, two days before the Oklahoma...
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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Yeah. In other words, a day-and-a-half before, on Monday, April
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17th, 1995, there was a high-level military group on a military
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Lear Jet, that crashed -- apparently... Well, the story in the
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press said that they were on their way from Andrews Air Force
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Base to San Antonio. But, apparently, the plane blew up, or
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something happened to it, as they were over Alabama.
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DEBRA VON TRAPP:
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Yes. Because the same, the Special Ops team that was under
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Goetzman, contracted by he and his team, and paid for with
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Japanese government funds through MCA Universal and administered
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through the Embassy of Japan, in Washington... Some members of a
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Special Ops team out of Alabama are responsible -- both for the
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downing of that craft, and for taking down the Oklahoma federal
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building.
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[...to be continued...]
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Aperi os tuum, decerne quod justum est, et judica inopem et
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pauperem. -- Liber Proverbiorum XXXI: 8-9
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