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Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 12 Num. 06
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("Quid coniuratio est?")
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WHO WANTED WALLACE KILLED?
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[Editor's note: Circa Autumn 1995, Sherman Skolnick's guest on
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his popular Chicago public access television program,
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"Broadsides," was independent film producer Cibacuyo Aguay
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Banar(sp?), a.k.a. "Ciba." Ciba has been investigating the
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attempted assassination in May of 1972 of then-Governor George
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Wallace. What follows is an abbreviated transcription of
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Skolnick's and Ciba's remarks.]
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SKOLNICK: Tell our viewers what you've been working on.
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CIBA: For the past three years I've been involved in a film that
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I'm producing, dealing specifically with the conspiracy and
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attempted assassination of Governor George Wallace of Alabama on
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May 15th, 1972.
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SKOLNICK: You've travelled thousands of miles. What kinds of
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interviews have you done?
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But first of all, tell us: Has there been any real
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documentary made of what some feel was a conspiracy to
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assassinate George Wallace?
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CIBA: Not only has no documentary been made; no book has ever
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been written dealing with the attack on Wallace. My book is
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going to be, hopefully, the first.
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SKOLNICK: Why have the assassination researchers ignored the
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Wallace attempted assassination?
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CIBA: I believe that the answer to that question lies in the
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fact that the assassination of President Kennedy was one of the
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most seminal acts in the history of mankind, and thus, there is a
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concentration on wanting to solve the quandry, the mystery, the
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enigma, tied into that particular assassination.
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SKOLNICK: What kind of interviews have you done in pursuit of
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this documentary, which you're hoping to get on television and
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then into a book?
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CIBA: We interviewed Governor Wallace at his residence in
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Alabama.
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SKOLNICK: You wanted him on videotape, but he was too ill.
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CIBA: Yes. He was too ill to allow us to bring in our cameras.
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We had to write out a questionaire and submit it to the Governor,
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and then he went, question by question, answering each one as I
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stood at his bedside. We were, however, allowed the privilege of
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being able to photograph him.
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He's bed-ridden, and disease has taken its toll on his
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voice-box. He is barely able to make himself audible, so that
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most of the questions (though not all of them) he will answer
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"yes" or "no."
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SKOLNICK: At the time Wallace was shot -- so to speak into a
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wheelchair and not into the cemetery -- he was running for
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President and pulling about 21 percent of the vote.
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CIBA: Which comes to 26 million popular votes.
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SKOLNICK: But because of the different states that it was into,
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he could have had the whole thing thrown into the House of
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Representatives, where it would have been a turmoil.
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Recently we did a show with spokespersons for some third-party
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candidates, including those for Perot. And I raised the same
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question. (Perot had 19 percent in the '92 election.) And when
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I raised this question, they said, "Oh, so if Perot had 21
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percent, like Wallace, they'd have to shoot him?" I said, "In my
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opinion, yes." Why is that? I mean, some of us believe that the
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ultra-rich believe in the bullet, not the ballot. Is that the
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bottom line?
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CIBA: The bottom line is money, the almighty dollar: who can
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best serve the interests of the Northeastern Atlantic elite and
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the Southwestern Pacific elite.
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SKOLNICK: Just prior to Wallace being shot, he had made a
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statement. He said, "There's not a dimes worth of difference
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between the Democrat and Republican Parties." (He was a
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third-party candidate, very populist.) He said, "If I'm elected,
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one of the first things I'm going to do is tax the Rockefeller
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Foundation." When I heard that, I said, "Wallace, you haven't
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got enough life insurance." So you weren't able to get Wallace
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on video, but you still got pictures.
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"AND WITH THE STUB OF HIS CIGAR, WALLACE *POKED* AT THE
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NAME OF RICHARD NIXON. HE SAID, 'CONSPIRACY! CONSPIRACY!'"
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CIBA: One of the questions that I asked the Governor in writing
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was, "Was there a conspiracy behind the shooting of your person?"
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He said, "*Yes*. Definitely a conspiracy." And then he looked
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up, on the page, to where a previous question had been asked
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regarding Richard Nixon. And with the stub of his cigar he
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*poked* at the name of Richard Nixon. He said, "Conspiracy!
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Conspiracy!" And he *jabbed* at the name of Nixon on the page.
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SKOLNICK: What else leads you to believe that there was a
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conspiracy?
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CIBA: There was no way that Richard Nixon was ever going to be
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re-elected with Wallace in the campaign. To get back into the
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Oval Office, you had to do away with Wallace so that most of
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those 26 million votes -- which were center, or right of center
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-- would come over to the side of Nixon.
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SKOLNICK: What do you make of the fact that 6 weeks after they
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took Wallace out of the campaign by almost killing him, the
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Watergate break-in occurred?
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CIBA: The Watergate break-in was nothing more than a
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contrivance: a poorly executed mission that had, at its very
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bottom, a very sharp hatchet. And the hatchet was aimed at
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Nixon's head. The Watergate break-in was designed to be found,
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and to point the blame at Nixon and bring him down.
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SKOLNICK: E. Howard Hunt, Frank Sturgis, and others, were
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involved in the break-in at the Watergate. And there's reason to
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believe that the White House sent E. Howard Hunt to Arthur
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Bremer's [Bremer found guilty of shooting Wallace] apartment in
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Milwaukee...
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CIBA: ...on orders from Charles Colson.
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SKOLNICK: Bremer's apartment, after the shooting of Wallace, was
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not sealed off; stuff could have been planted there, such as fake
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diaries. In other words, Arthur Bremer's diary showed up.
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CIBA: Yes, but the diary showed up in the car.
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But when Bremer shot Wallace, the first people that went
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physically into the apartment were from a bogus news organization
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known as "TIPS" -- Transcontinental International Press Services.
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Now *they* are a creature of the Guardians, which are the
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militant wing of the Church of Scientology. And I'm talking
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about the branch in Los Angeles.
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SKOLNICK: The Secret Service allowed Bremer to penetrate Nixon's
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security. In other words, if you create a vacuum where a
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would-be assassin can penetrate Secret Service security, then it
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becomes easy to kill somebody. Like they did with Dr. King:
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withdraw the security.
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CIBA: Bremer was in the city of Ottawa, Capital of Canada, when
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Nixon was visiting Pierre Trudeau, the Canadian Prime Minister at
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the time. Bremer and Frank Sturgis stayed at the Lord Elgin
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Hotel, in Ottawa. They stayed in the same section of the Hotel.
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Frank Sturgis was the control officer of Arthur Bremer on the
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road. It was he who was passing on money and information to
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Bremer.
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Sturgis and Bremer stayed in the same section of the Lord
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Elgin Hotel that the Secret Service detail of Richard Nixon was
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staying in.
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SKOLNICK: Could Bremer, at one point, have targeted Nixon for
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assassination?
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CIBA: You will recall that the same mythology was created in the
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assassination of John Kennedy: that Oswald was after Nixon and
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then, because security was so tight, he instead trained the
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crosshairs of his weapon on Jack Kennedy. The same thing here:
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they want you to believe that Bremer was after Nixon and because
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security was so tight, again, the "lone assassin" trained his gun
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on someone else -- Wallace.
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It was all part of a false trail. You know, you always lay a
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trail of "golden apples."
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SKOLNICK: So how long have you been on this case?
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CIBA: On this particular case, I've been on it for close to four
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years. But I've been involved in assassination research for 27
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years.
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I was able to interview, on this particular junket, not only
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Governor Wallace; I was able to interview John Ehrlichmann,
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Colonel Fletcher Prouty... I also spoke to John Judge, president
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of the Coalition On Political Assassinations.
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SKOLNICK: Continue telling us, Ciba: Why do you believe that
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there was a plot?
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CIBA: In Milwaukee, Arthur Bremer's control officer was not
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Frank Sturgis. It was a man by the name of Dennis Salvatore
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Cosini Guzman(sp?). Dennis Guzman was a journalism student at
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Marquette University, in Milwaukee. While Bremer was in
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Milwaukee, he attended a series of meetings of the SDS: the
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Students for a Democratic Society.
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SKOLNICK: There were *agents provocateurs* in the Students for a
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Democratic Society.
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CIBA: And Cosini was one of them.
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I'll tell you who else was involved: Donald Segretti.
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SKOLNICK: Really!?
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CIBA: He was seen in Milwaukee in the presence of Arthur Bremer
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and J. Timothy Gratt(sp?), who was the head of the Young
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Republicans.
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"I THINK THAT IT IS E. HOWARD HUNT WHO PLANTED
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'BREMER'S DIARY' INSIDE OF BREMER'S PARKED CAR."
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SKOLNICK: You're saying that known figures were involved in the
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attempted assassination of George Wallace during the '72
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Presidential campaign. You mentioned Frank Sturgis. Are you
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ready to contend that E. Howard Hunt, who was involved that same
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year in the Watergate break-in, that he was in some way involved?
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He went to Bremer's apartment, after the Wallace shooting.
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CIBA: He denies it. But not only do I think he went to the
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apartment in Milwaukee, I think that it is E. Howard Hunt who
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planted "Bremer's diary" inside of Bremer's parked car, in
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Maryland. That's what I *think*.
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SKOLNICK: All right: you've got Sturgis. You've got Hunt.
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You've got Segretti... Now Segretti was?
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CIBA: He was chieftain of the "dirty tricks" department for
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Richard Nixon, at the street level.
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SKOLNICK: In other words, to break up peace parades...
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CIBA: ...the planting of Nazi memorabilia on Wallace's cars, and
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things of that nature.
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SKOLNICK: To target Wallace?
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CIBA: Oh yes. As a Nazi. In order to dissuade people from
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voting for him.
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"THE ERA OF THE COMMON MAN HAS LONG BEEN OVERDUE."
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SKOLNICK: I followed some of the Wallace campaign in '68 and
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'72. Wallace wanted to tax the Rockefeller Foundation; he wanted
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to tax the very rich. He said things that appealed to common
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people, of all kinds of parties.
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One of the things which I've been told by retired government
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intelligence officials that I've known over the years is, that
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when a person makes statements that give the impression that the
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era of the common man has arrived, if it gains momentum, it
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causes the ultra rich to say, "That guy... Forget about the
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ballot. The bullet!"
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CIBA: The era of the common man has long been overdue. So
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whenever you get anyone who takes that stand...
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SKOLNICK: Like Abraham Lincoln. [Like Martin Luther King.]
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CIBA: Yes. Because the truth has always made authority tremble.
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SKOLNICK: Did Wallace fit that mold? Did he start a psychology
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that the era of the common man had arrived?
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CIBA: Yes. Without a doubt. His whole campaign was geared
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toward the blue-collar.
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Bear in mind that many, many was the time that the Governor of
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Alabama said, "They are having meetings about me in them there
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banks up in the Northeast."
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It is known that the Rockefellers were very worried about the
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candidacy of Governor Wallace because it threatened the
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re-election of their man, Richard Nixon.
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SKOLNICK: What are some of the "nuts and bolts" that lead you to
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believe there was a conspiracy against Wallace?
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CIBA: It has been, for over two decades, believed that the
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Milwaukee CIA control officer of Arthur Bremer, Dennis Salvatore
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Cosini Guzman, died on July the 6th, 1972, in Toronto, Canada.
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He was supposed to have been given a "hot shot" of heroin.
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Dennis Salvatore Cosini Guzman is *not dead*. He is alive. I
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know this for a fact. I know where he's living. I know the
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alias that he's using. I know the industry that he works in.
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And if there was, in fact, a body found at the Toronto airport,
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it was *not* Dennis Guzman.
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SKOLNICK: Is Bremer in jail for the rest of his life?
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CIBA: Yes. He got 67 years. He will never get out alive.
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SKOLNICK: He doesn't say anything in the jail?
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CIBA: He refuses to speak to anyone about anything. They keep
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him segregated.
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He's another mystery. When he was arrested, the people
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standing next to the shooter couldn't identify Arthur Bremer as
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being the shooter. Arthur Bremer's fingerprints are not on the
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weapon. The weapon could not be matched to the bullets taken
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from the Governor.
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SKOLNICK: Was there a government investigation?
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CIBA: No.
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They gave Arthur Bremer a parrafin test. They found no
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gunpowder residue on his hands.
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SKOLNICK: One indication of a covert operative is that he's very
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active in things, with no visible income. He lives well. Was
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that true of Bremer?
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"NIXON PASSED IT ON TO BEBE REBOZO. BEBE HAD A BANK.
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UPON REACHING THE BAHAMAS, THE MONEY WAS SHIFTED
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INTO SWITZERLAND, INTO A BANK RUN BY ROBERT VESCO."
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CIBA: Yes, and he travels well. We know that part of the money
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was being garnered from Robert Vesco's organization in Toronto...
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SKOLNICK: Vesco!? He's involved in it too?
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CIBA: In the trafficking of narcotics into Canada. Here's how
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the Vesco money was being utilized, in part. Money was being
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sent from Toronto by Vesco's organization into the Maryland
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political organization, the Republican organization. Part of
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that money was taken out. The rest was sent over to the office
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of Congressman William O. Mills. Congressman Mills would take
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his cut, and pass the rest on to Vice President Spiro Agnew.
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(Remember that Maryland was Agnew's fiefdom. He ran it like a
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camp.) Agnew would take his cut and pass the rest on to Richard
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Nixon. Richard Nixon would then take part of that money that was
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left and put a smile on the pocket of Attorney General John
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Mitchell. And it was John Mitchell who was directly responsible
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for keeping Robert Vesco out of the hands of U.S. authorities.
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SKOLNICK: They're trying lately to bring Vesco back to the
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United States.
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CIBA: They're not going to bring him back to the United States
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because the people that are in power behind-the-scenes do *not*
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want Robert Vesco on U.S. soil. There's too many bones, and he
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knows where the bones are buried.
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SKOLNICK: They'd have to dig up Nixon's skeleton from the
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cemetery and hang him from a rope.
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CIBA: Nixon, after sharing the money with John Mitchell, took
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the remainder and passed it on to Bebe Rebozo, his Cuban lifelong
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friend in Miami. Bebe had a bank. And it was through Bebe's
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bank that the money was funneled out into the Bahamas. Upon
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reaching the Bahamas, the money was put into a bank, taken out
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immediately, and shifted over into Switzerland into a bank that
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was -- no surprise -- run by Robert Vesco.
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Part of that money that Robert Vesco shipped down south into
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Maryland, to Nixon... $25,000 was taken out of that, out of the
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coffers of Congressman Mills, and sent north into Milwaukee. It
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was placed into the hands of Milwaukee multi-millionaire attorney
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Herbert A. Spenner(sp?). Spenner was the head of the German
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*bund* in Milwaukee in 1972. And he was seen drinking beer on
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many an occasion with Arthur Bremer.
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SKOLNICK: Are you saying that Nixon was part of it all? Or that
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there was an apparatus that helped Nixon, whether Nixon knew or
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not?
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CIBA: Nixon was part of it. Nixon knew. And Nixon was a
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witting conspirator.
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SKOLNICK: Do you think Wallace knows the nature of the
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conspiracy that almost killed him?
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"J. EDGAR HOOVER HAD TO BE REMOVED BEFORE THEY MOVED
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UPON WALLACE, BECAUSE HOOVER WAS AN ENEMY OF THOSE
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THAT HAD ENCIRCLED RICHARD NIXON."
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CIBA: Sure. He knows.
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And let me just say before we're through: it wasn't just
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Wallace who knew. You couldn't just move upon Wallace while J.
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Edgar Hoover was alive. Because J. Edgar Hoover was threatening
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the Nixon White House.
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SKOLNICK: Whoa.... Wait a minute. You bring up an interesting
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point. Hoover died very mysteriously.
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CIBA: He died May the 1st, 1972, two weeks before Wallace was
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moved upon.
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SKOLNICK: A story about Hoover's death appeared in the Harvard
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University Crimson. Two people who claimed they were tied in
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with Frank Sturgis claimed that they were the ones who put exotic
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poison into Hoover's dental items or toiletries?
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CIBA: What they did was the following: Hoover had to be removed
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before they moved upon Wallace, because Hoover was an enemy of
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those that had encircled Richard Nixon -- what was known as the
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German Mafia. Hoover hated them with a purple passion, he wanted
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them removed, and he had told Nixon that he must get rid of them.
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SKOLNICK: On May 1st, J. Edgar Hoover was probably murdered.
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There was no autopsy. The laws provided for an autopsy, but
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there wasn't any. And they took him away to the mortuary. And
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then two people showed up who supposedly poisoned Hoover.
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May 1st: Hoover probably murdered. Attempted murder in the
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middle of May against George Wallace. Then, several weeks after
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that, the Watergate break-in.
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CIBA: Nixon spoke to Hoover and told him, "I want you to
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resign." Hoover told the President, "I am not going to resign."
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So then, the "Plumbers" went into Hoover's house, and they doused
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his toiletries with a genre of Thio-phosphates(sp?). This is a
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poison that is based on limestone and brimstone and sulphur that
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eats up the oxygen in your circulatory system.
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SKOLNICK: We have a few minutes left, Ciba. Tell us: What do
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you want the public to understand?
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CIBA: History, despite its wrenching pain, cannot be unlived.
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But if we rise up to meet it head-on, then history need not be
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*re-lived*. When we as a people fail, or worse yet, refuse to
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stand up to the injustice of our historical past, then that
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injustice becomes an ever-present constant in our daily lives.
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SKOLNICK: Is political assassination part of the fabric of
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America?
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CIBA: It is part of the tapestry, and it is a very vital weave
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indeed.
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SKOLNICK: In other words, when they say, "Oh, that was long
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ago..."
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CIBA: You're still living it now!!
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For related stories, visit:
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