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Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 10 Num. 25
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("Quid coniuratio est?")
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With media attention beginning to turn again to the Oklahoma City
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bomb, and particularly the confessions of McVeigh friend Michael
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Fortier, Steamshovel Press would like to present again John
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Judge's comments about Fortier from SP14, which developed into a
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broader discussion about manipulation of the militia movement.
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As the author of Judge For Yourself and a research associate of
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the late Mae Brussell, Judge is well-known among conspiracy
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researchers. He works as one of the central organizers of the
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Committee on Political Assassinations, a non-profit group working
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for the release of government files on political assassinations
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(POB 772, Ben Franklin Station, Washington, DC 20044-0772.) This
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excerpt comes from Steamshovel Press #14, now available as a back
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issue for $6 postpaid. The current issue of Steamshovel (#15),
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is also now available for $6. Steamshovel Press, POB 23715, St.
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Louis, MO 63121.
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Q: You mentioned that you talked to Michael Fortier before his
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"confession."
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A: Myself and researchers I know talked to Fortier. He was an
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army buddy of McVeigh's and he also helped McVeigh get the job
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out in Arizona at the TruValue hardware store. When he spoke
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with us, and he didn't have to speak with us, we're not press,
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and if he was part of this elaborate it would not be likely that
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he would talk to anybody. He was saying to us that he knew
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McVeigh and he didn't think McVeigh would do anything like this.
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He had never seen indication that McVeigh would bomb a building
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or do this kind of violence. He basically expressed frustration
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with the way things were going. He said, "what happened to
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innocent until proven guilty?" Now he seems to be the main
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prosecution witness. They have him visiting the building,
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checking it out with McVeigh. There's a whole story that's
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implicated McVeigh.
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Q: He seems to be plea bargaining with that.
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A: I guess. It seems like they put him over a barrel and they
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said it's either going to be you or McVeigh, so take your pick.
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That's the implication always when you have somebody that's
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cooperating and all of sudden they become a suspect, or vice
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versa, you have to wonder about what the prosecution is up to.
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And there have been a string of these: the brother out on the
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farm in Michigan, Terry Nichols, was first said to be a very
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cooperative person and eventually became suspect. These people
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become suspects, but then we're told they are not suspects in the
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bombing. They are just suspects of other, sort of related,
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crimes. Blowing up cans in the back yard, I guess.
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There are a lot of disinformation rumors flying around.
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Michael McLure said years ago that even paranoids have enemies.
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That's true, but that doesn't mean that the paranoids know who
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their enemies are.
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Q: That's my feeling about people I have met in the militia
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movement. Some of them are real, sincere populist types, but
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they should have real suspicions about their leadership.
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A: It's quite likely that these groups are either created whole
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cloth or heavily infiltrated. These kinds of groups would be of
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use to the government, both in terms of as they used the Klan and
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the Hell's Angels in the past, as an arm of the government to be
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paid to do murders, assassinations, hits or attacks on people
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that the government wanted to go after and thereby camouflage,
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this one done through COINTELPRO and other programs--Hell's
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Angels were paid off by the US government to kill Cesar Chavez,
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there were different plots of this sort in the past. So they're
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a good scapegoat if they need one. There's also quite a bit of
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history of missing weapons being stolen from military bases and
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in a few cases where there are suspects, these suspects tie back
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in to either the Aryan Brotherhood, neo-Nazi, right-wing or these
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militia movements. It was very clear that there were active
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police department and active military and reserve military
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veterans in the militia, even three congressmen were named in the
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congressional roll call as members of the militia. So the
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militia have clearly a whole range of people.
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The militia want to see themselves as victims. They would say
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that the government did the Oklahoma bombing and are scapegoating
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them because they want to destroy the militia and take their guns
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away. I think all anybody has to do to put that claim in
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perspective is look at how the Panthers were treated in the
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1960s, when black people picked up guns and how different their
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experience was. There weren't Panthers getting on Nightline.
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There weren't people being allowed to just espouse their
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philosophy without any political comeback. The militia people
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are basically being given a forum. "Are you a racist
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organization?" "Oh, no." But these are predominantly white
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organizations and their response to the situation that they
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believe is going on, which is partially racism and xenophobia
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coming out, that United Nations is bringing foreign troops and
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foreign weapons--this isn't going to be done with a good old
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American tank, they're going to have go import a Russian tank to
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do this to us. We're more than willing to be a conduit for
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foreign weapons and to ship them out as long as they are inferior
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to any other country on the dole. We certainly do bring foreign
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troops into this country and train them, as assassins and death
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squads, we train other foreign troops to be surrogate forces for
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us around the world, and it's us that's taking over the UN, not
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the other way around. The UN has clearly been used as an
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extension of US foreign policy for many years.
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It's not that to that there haven't been victims of these
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federal police attacks, but you're comparing a few, the one Randy
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Weaver, even the hundred people at Waco, the underlying theme is
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that the people that the government is really after are these
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good white Christians.
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Q: This is exactly the kind of thing that's behind, say, Qubilah
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Shabazz and Louis Farrakhan. The FBI is going in and trying to
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manipulate Shabazz into taking a contract out on Farrakhan. The
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militias don't seem to care about that. They don't care about
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the Black Panthers. But when it happens to Randy Weaver or the
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strange Christians at Mt. Carmel, the whole movement is enflamed.
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A: Or the children in Waco or the children in Oklahoma City.
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But foreign children, when they die, aren't somehow as innocent
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or deserving of our pity. There's stories about seeing foreign
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troops being trained to go house to house and disarm the people
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in the houses. That's classic counter-insurgency warfare
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strategy that they would use in a place like Somalia. Does it
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mean that they wouldn't use it here? No, but the communities
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where it's going to be used first are the communities where they
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are afraid of people having guns. They have been providing guns
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to people in this country, much more so than taking them away.
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Any kid in Los Angeles, on the streets in a black or Hispanic
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neighborhood, in the gangs, they know where to go to get the
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guns. They come in by the trainload literally. On certain notes
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and certain locations you go down and you can buy the guns. It's
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like the drugs. They don't come from the moon, they don't come
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from a sixteen year old kid with a plane that goes to Bogota
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every week. They come through channels that involve government
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complicity or looking the other way.
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Guns generally don't protect homes. It's more likely that
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it's going to end up with a gun fatality in the home. On the
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other hand, I'm not saying that therefore no one should own a
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gun. But what I am saying is that guns cannot be said to protect
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civil liberties. The fact that somebody armed themselves--as G.
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Gordon Liddy says, when BATF comes to break into the house, shoot
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for the head because of the vests they've got on--is not
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protecting the civil liberties of themselves and the broader
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rights of people. Most of the people that focus on the second
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amendment rights are not people that I have ever seen focussed on
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anybody else's rights in the United States. They aren't
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concerned about the violation of civil and human rights here and
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abroad by this government for many, many years. They are people
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who have a kind of reactionary response, a selfish response of
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"I'm going to protect what I have."
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Going out and practicing with a 350 Magnum in the woods is the
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response of the last guy in a prison riot. In the last cell,
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back in there saying, "Come on in, you dirty screws! You'll
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never take me alive and I'm going to take a couple of you with
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me. Pry the gun out of my cold, dead hand." Well, so what?
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This isn't about changing the United States. It really isn't
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about realizing constitutional rights. It's about individual
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protection. It's the response of the guy who goes down to his
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fallout shelter as a response to the bomb and not only that,
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won't let you in. He takes the shotgun down there to make sure
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you try and come in.
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There is another view. Yes, the government has conspired to
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take away your rights. But the thing to do about it is to expose
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it and to work for a democratic and public solution to it, not a
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private or little militia vigilante solution to it, because it
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doesn't rest there. You are not going to win a pop-gun war
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against the current US military. If the only game you understand
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how to play is the gun game, you've lost at this point in human
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history.
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Also now available from Steamshovel Press:
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Popular Alienation, a back issue anthology
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NASA, Nazis and JFK: The Torbitt Document
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The Octopus: Secret Government and the Death of Danny
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Casolaro
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See also http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma
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Link to that site available at
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http://www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html
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Aperi os tuum, decerne quod justum est, et judica inopem et
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pauperem. -- Liber Proverbiorum XXXI: 8-9
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