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Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 7 Num. 18
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("Quid coniuratio est?")
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BOSNIA: HOW THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND MEDIA
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HAVE FAILED AND MISLED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
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Special thanks to my "Chicago connection" for sending a videotape
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of a public access program, "Broadsides", which was taped on June
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6, 1995. Host is Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee
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to Clean Up the Courts; co-host is Mr. Robert E. Cleveland, an
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attorney and associate of Mr. Skolnick. Guests are James Nagle,
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an attorney with the law firm of Querry & Harrow, Andrew B.
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Spiegel, also an attorney, and Mike Pavlovic, a Serbian-American.
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Pardon spelling errors. If you know the correct spellings, please
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let me know.
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Contact info: Andrew B. Spiegel, PO Box 396, Wheaton, IL 60187
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[...continued...]
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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What about this theory that, at a time of recession in America,
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there may be armaments business and the Balkans is as good of a
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place to get rid of armaments as any: they're busy killing each
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other. From a cynical standpoint, they use up a lot of guns,
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bullets, bombs. And so American big business does not really
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*want* peace there. Is that too cynical?
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ANDREW SPIEGEL:
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Well since there's an arms embargo currently [June 1995] in
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effect, technically there's no arms supplied by the United
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States.
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But just to go back to other people we've had contact with: I
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faxed to [U.N.] Secretary-General Boutros Ghali(sp?) the letter
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we sent to President Clinton -- the letter from President
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Karadzic -- and the memo we sent to Dave Merrick of ABC
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Nightline. That was done May 30th. No phone call, no fax, no even
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acknowledgement [in response].
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On June 1st there was a news report that Clinton was going to
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introduce U.S. ground troops into Bosnia. At that point in time,
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at least the thought was to either re-deploy the U.S. positions
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or to help them evacuate. [Senator] Jesse Helms... Some of you
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may recall that Jesse Helms said, "No U.S. troops into Bosnia on
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my watch!" So I called up Jesse Helms' office, I talked to an
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assistant, a Steve Beacon(?), told *him* about the letter of
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April 22nd. He gave us the same type of response, that "President
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Karadzic is a liar," that "We've dealt with him before and we
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can't believe a word he says." I said, "Look. You may say that,
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but that's the person you're gonna have to deal with to resolve
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the situation." So I sent him a letter, and I pointed out to him
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that to *not* deal with President Karadzic and to start a war
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over there means that you're going to have to kill 1.9 million
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Serbs, living in the Republic of Srpska, who are going to *die*
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rather than surrender their homeland. And I don't think that the
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United States is prepared to do that.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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Let me point this out: We're taping this show on June 6th, '95,
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and it won't go on the air for several weeks. By *that* time,
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Heaven knows what happens. I mean we may, like Viet Nam, have
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100,000 of our troops there... In other words, somebody may
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create an incident that's good for the weapons business. I know
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that's a cynical viewpoint, but the weapons business must be
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considered. Somebody is doing a lot of business over there in the
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Balkans. I mean, somebody recognizes the Balkans is some kind of
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a boiling cauldron where, some way or another, some people like
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to kill other people and this is a good place to ship a lot of
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weapons. Is Germany shipping weapons there? I mean, who all is
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shipping weapons there?
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ROBERT CLEVELAND:
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One thing that really puzzles me in this: President Clinton
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ordered *our* planes to go in there and bomb certain parts of the
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country, killing Serbians. *Killing* them! Now what did they do
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in retaliation? They took hostages and didn't harm a one of them,
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followed (further along) by returning some of the hostages -- in
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fact, I think they let *all* of the peacekeeping force leave the
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country without being harmed. Why would they want to do that?
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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Maybe some kind of bargaining chip.
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Nagle's got an explanation. Tell us.
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JAMES NAGLE:
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What people don't realize... We were there right before this
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happened. And on May 1st (that was 3 days, 4 days after we left),
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the Croatian army invaded the Serbian section of Croatia, killing
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three- to four-thousand civilians. And what may have been in
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response to that was to bomb the Serbs for allegedly violating a
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12-mile zone of not having weapons. And obviously, the Serbs are
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seeing that, thinking to themselves, "The U.N. is taking sides,
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NATO is taking sides, with the Bosnians against us. Here we just
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had 3,000 civilians killed, why don't they do something to
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prevent that?"
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How does the news media cover that? The news media reports that
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the Serbs in Croina fired a couple rockets into Zagreb; ten
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people were killed. Ten civilians were killed. They tell us
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*nothing* about the 4,000 Serb civilians that were killed on
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*one* *day*! On May 1st! And the Croatian army took over and
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occupied 50 percent of the Republic of Croina.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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So the news is slanted. Can you give any explanation *why* it is?
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ANDREW SPIEGEL:
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I can give you the explanation that the Serbs, that many people
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over there give. They believe that Arab oil money is behind the
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Bosnian Muslim government, and that the Vatican is behind the
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Croatian government. Now whether that's true or not, we don't
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know.
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ROBERT CLEVELAND:
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I get the impression that there's definitely been an agenda or
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game plan with the media in this country to wrongfully villify
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the Serbs. Is that correct?
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ANDREW SPIEGEL:
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That's correct. In fact, the analogy that I made was, the news
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media is treating this like it is a professional wrestling match:
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the Serbs are the "bad guys"; the Bosnians -- and the Croatians,
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of all people! -- are the "good guys". And their reporting of it
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is [similar] with a professional wrestling match.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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By the way, I made a cryptic remark before. The Serbian leader
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there sent a message on April 22nd. He didn't know it, but it was
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the *worst* possible time to send Clinton a message. Because it
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was on *that* *day* (which I believe was a Saturday) that Clinton
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and his wife were being questioned, in the White House, under
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oath, by the Whitewater independent prosecutor. So I don't think
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Clinton or the first lady were interested in peace in Serbia.
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They had this other problem.
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ANDREW SPIEGEL:
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Well they could have responded on May 26th. They could have
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responded on May 30th. They could have responded on June 1st.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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What is the explanation that our president is changing his policy
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like, ten times a minute? Why is this?
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MIKE PAVLOVIC:
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I can say one thing. I'm not politician. My wife and I, we pray
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every night: to stop killings. That President Clinton should
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immediately stop killings, and negotiate around the table. He
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should call President Karadzic to sit around the table and
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negotiate and negotiate. What we pray every night.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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That's commendable. But you know, some Americans... I read the
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papers every day and I thought I'm well-informed. But on this
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Bosnia thing, it is so loaded with complications, I think most
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Americans do not understand this.
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The other thing is, some Americans raise the question: What *is*
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the so-called "American interest" in the area? It appears to be a
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long-smouldering, one-thousand year civil war. What is the
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American interest to get involved? What are we doing there?
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JAMES NAGLE:
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I don't think there *is* any American interest. Obviously the
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Europeans have an interest, if there's a war in their back yard.
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*Maybe* there's an American interest from the standpoint that the
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United States is fearful that this is a tinderbox and if it
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spreads to Macedonia it might go down into Turkey and into
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Greece; and at this point, we're looking at a much larger war.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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What is our jurisdiction, what is our legality, of sticking *our*
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nose into their civil war?
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ANDREW SPIEGEL:
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If you want to look at it from a purely legalistic level, it was
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a violation of the United Nation's charter for Germany and the
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other European countries, and the United States, to interfere in
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the domestic affairs of Yugoslavia. It was a domestic affair in
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which certain constituent republics were illegally seceding from
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that country. It would be as if, when the South seceded from the
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United States -- what happened?
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
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Well some claim that the British fomented that. [CN -- See, for
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example, *The Empire of "The City"* by E.C. Knuth]
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[...to be continued...]
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