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November 15, 1993
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This file shared with KeelyNet courtesy of Norm Wootan.
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Message 3083 DATE/TIME: 11/10/93 07:17
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From : NORMAN WOOTAN
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To : ALL
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Subject: Plasma MHD
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Folder : A, "Public Mail"
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We all should thank Joel McLain for finding the 4TH State of Matter
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book and sharing it with us. I have read the file with a great deal
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of interest since I have been in the past, and am currently
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researching a plasma based system of over-unity power production.
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The KeelyNet was established for the purpose of sharing this type of
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information and provides a channel of comments, observations and
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often critique. A sort of peer review on a friendly basis. The MHD
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application referred to in the 4THSTATE.ASC file is not an over-
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unity device for several reasons that I will go into in greater
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detail as we go along.
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First, the MHD generator produced 30 Megawatts of which 10 Megawatts
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was plowed back into the device to maintain the necessary magnetic
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flux densities in the copper coils. Nothing is said in the text
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about the energy expenditure needed to heat the plasma nor propel it
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through the flux field to produce a current.
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When we talk about the advantages of using superconducting magnets
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in this type of application we must take into account the TOTAL
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ENERGEY OUTLAY to determine if we have an over-unity application.
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All we hear about the Super Conducting Super Collider is that it
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uses cryogenic cooled magnets to control and contain the particle
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path within the 52 mile ring. Just think about the fact that the
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Cryogenic system to achieve supercondtivity in the SSC would have
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cost over a BILLON dollars for it is an intergral part of each
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magnet section plus there was going to be built on site the world's
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largest facility for the production of liquid helium and liquid
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hydrogen which is the secondary coolant in the system.
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Extensive expense went into the emergency venting and gas escape
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system needed when the dreaded Quenching problem arises from time to
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time. Quenching is the term applied to the particle beam getting
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out of it's containment field and striking the magnetic coils
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causing instant heating and cryogenic gas boiling and expansion
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which is the same as the explosive expansion of steam.
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When superconductivity is mentioned everyone thinks that this
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phenomena is magical and occurs at no additional cost: WRONG . The
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cryogenic cost of maintaining superconductivity must be entered into
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the over-unity equation if this is what we are trying to determine.
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If you are a GOVERNMENT project then totally disregard all these
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trivial expenses. Do you realize that the Commanche Peak Power
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station will cost more than the SSC and eventually all utility rate
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payers will foot the entire expense through utility rate increases?
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I make the above comments from a very informed basis for in my files
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I have all of the Patents that apply to MHD power generation
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including the ones on Plasma MHD. I also have all the Patents on
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Hot Fussion using Plasma. Due to on line time constraints I will
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share with everyone some interesting experiments that I have
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conducted with MHD in a subsequent message.
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Again, thank you Joel for sharing the 4th State info with us. Your
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friend Norm.
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There has been a Reply to this message, use [+] to Read the most
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recent.
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Msg # 3083 [1..3254] [R]eply, [F]orward, [K]ill, [P]rivate,
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[+]See Reply, [M]ove, [E]dit, [Q]uit, [ENTER] for Next Message ?
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Message 3087 DATE/TIME: 11/10/93 10:58
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From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED --
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To : NORMAN WOOTAN
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Subject: (R) Plasma MHD
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Folder : A, "Public Mail"
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Sure thing, Norm. I've always enjoyed our conversations, and I
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admire the work you're doing. Some of the other MENTOR books also
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might have some interesting info, as well, and if I can track them
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down, I'll upload reviews of them as well.
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Hard to say how much MHD has progressed in the past 20+ years, but
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I'd guess it's on-line in quite a few places where cameras are NOT
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allowed. CUL (see you later)
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Joel
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This is a Reply, use [-] to Read the Original.
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Msg # 3087 [1..3254] [R]eply, [F]orward, [K]ill, [P]rivate,
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[-]See Orig, [M]ove, [E]dit, [Q]uit, [ENTER] for Next Message ? 3088
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Message 3088 DATE/TIME: 11/10/93 11:11
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From : JOEL MCCLAIN -- RECEIVED --
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To : NORMAN WOOTAN
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Subject: MHD and Resonance
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Folder : A, "Public Mail"
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Hi again, Norm.
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I just finished reading your message at greater length, and
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hopefully, with more understanding. So, I want to ask your opinion.
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I've been solidly of the opinion (also from experiments of my own)
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that ANY form of unity plus would require resonance. The CLEMM
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engine, which uses cooking oil with a turbine, is a good example.
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He pumped the oil until the turbine speed was at aggregate
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resonance, and the oil continued to flow by itself, propelled by the
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heat generated during the pumping process. One of these engines is
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still running around Dallas somewhere, buried so as to keep people
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from touching it.
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A MHD design might also pump the plasma to resonance, and then
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disconnect the pump/heater, and keep going in the same manner. I'd
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GUESS that that is how the Mark V (or its followers) work. I
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haven't the means to build a prototype of this, but it seems
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reasonable.
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What do you think? The book, as you noted, failed to mention the
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energy required to maintain the pump/heater, but they may have
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stumbled on the resonance principle, as Clemm did.
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CUL
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Joel
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Msg # 3088 [1..3254] [R]eply, [F]orward, [K]ill, [P]rivate,
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[M]ove, [E]dit, [Q]uit, [ENTER] for Next Message ? 3113
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Message 3113 DATE/TIME: 11/11/93 07:22
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From : NORMAN WOOTAN
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To : ALL
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Subject: Plasma MHD #2
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Folder : A, "Public Mail"
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After a little prompting from Bert last night I will talk about the
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cold MHD experiment that I did several years ago.
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First a little background, I spent 30 years in the military during
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which time I had the opportunity to visit many of the defense
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manufacturing and R&D facilities since I was working with the R&D
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programs. While we were working on the ABM Sprint missile system
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back in the seventies I visited the Arnold wind tunnel, NASA Moffett
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Field and the BRL Hypersonic facility, therefore have first hand
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knowledge of them.
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During my stint as Director of Research and Development for a large
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energy firm in the Smoky Mountains (Ashville) we researched a low
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temp MHD system that would work on a wood burning or gas fired
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furnace for domestic application. It was based on an Israeli patent
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for a solar fired freon media system that opperated at 180 F.
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Since high temps are really NOT necessary for the MHD process to
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work then it follows that maybe a cold process was possible.
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Several years ago I assembled all the parts and put together a table
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top MHD generator that was rather interesting.
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The combination occurred to me after reading Joseph Caters "Awsome
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Life Force" in which he differentiated the HARD electrons from SOFT
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electrons noting their different characteristics.
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D.C. Cox of Resonance Research filled me in on the difference
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between the soft electrons that are generated by influence machines
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like Holts, Wimshurst and other electrostatic generators and the
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Vandegraff machine which generates or accumulates hard electrons,
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since it is an ion seeded device VS stripping electrons out of a
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dielectric media (wimshurst).
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The Swiss ML converter works on the principle that I will Now
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describe.
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I built a typical MHD generator channel which is like a venturi with
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a square cross section of one square inch on opposing sides of the
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square. We place a North and South pole with approximately 50,000
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gauss magnetic flux density.
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At the adjacent sides of the square we have the current pick-up
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plates, at low temp I used copper. High temp applications use
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tungsten and ceramic construction. I built a small wind tunnel that
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employed a turbo fan that moved the air around the closed circuit at
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a tremendous velocity.
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On the back side of the wind tunnel loop I placed an electrostatic
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grid sort of like a bug eater on which I put an electostatic charge
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(soft electrons) to be picked up by my seed material which was
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SODIUM POTASSIUM TARTRATE better known to non-chemists as ROCHELLE
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SALT.
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By the way, ROCHELLE SALT is the most electrically active material
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known in scientific circles. It can and does have the capability to
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carry tremendous electrostatic charges. When the electrostatically
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charged crystals are moved by the air currents through a very strong
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magnetic field the electrons are stripped out of the flow at 90
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degrees to the magnetic poles an are deposited as a + or positive
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charge on one side of the square and a - negative charge on the
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opposite side of the square.
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With the turbo fan screaming at 12,000 RPM, dogs barking, the
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neighbors watched as the meters jumped off the scale with DC output
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at the pick-up terminals. I made a long run of the device observing
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the relationship between the electostatic input VS the dc output
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when all of a sudden my fan made some god-awful noises caused by the
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fact that the tartrate crystal have a melting point of 170 F and I
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had exceeded this temp which literally caused a meltdown within the
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fan.
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I dissassembled the device and tossed the fan into the dumpster for
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it was totally destroyed with melted tartrate crystal (an
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intercooler would have helped here). My neighbors asked what I had
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learned, to which I replied "A lot".
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D.C. Cox told me that Ion seeded devices such as Vandegraff machines
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accumulate hard electrons, therefore are very dangerous. The output
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of these machines can kill you INSTANTLY, therefore he will not even
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sell plans for them.
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On the other hand, electrostatic generators work by accumulating
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soft electrons, therefore are harmless in the raw form. Be careful
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for we now have an idea as to how to transform soft electrons into
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hard electrons in the form of DC current which is what is taking
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place in the Swiss ML converter.
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Basic MHD principles are the key to this energy conversion. Due to
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on line time constraints( JERRY, ARE YOU READING ?) I have to end
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this session and pick up at a later date with the discussion of the
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CLEM N-MACHINE combo since JOEL brought it up. See Jerry has a
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program called MESS-UP which he is going to install that will allow
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us to word process messages at our leisure, them load them up to the
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board at 9600 baud which will give us all more time to exchange a
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great deal of knowledge. Thanks again to Joel, Bert and Jerry for
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their friendly support. Your friend NORM.
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Vangard Note
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The following is a very short piece regarding an amazing energy
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device called the MigMa. It is being included because of its
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claimed overunity output.
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A Bulgarian-born American physicist named Joseph Maglich has
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invented and partially developed an atomic FUSION reactor which
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he calls "MigMa", which uses NON-radioactive deuterium as a fuel
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(available in nearly UNlimited quantities from sea water), does
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NOT produce radioactive waste, can be converted DIRECTLY into
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electricity (without energy-wasting steam turbines), and can be
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constructed small enough to power a house or large enough to
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power a city or spaceship.
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And UNlike the "Tokamaks" and laser fusion monstrosities that we
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read about, MigMa WORKS, already producing at least THREE WATTS
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of power for every WATT PUT IN!
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(New Times - 6/26/78, pages 32-40). If anyone can locate this
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article, we at KeelyNet would greatly appreciate a photocopy so
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that it can be placed online for researchers. Please send to the
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above address and send photocopy costs if applicable...thank you!
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