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Q: What's the difference between this kind of program and cult-type abuse and
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Satanic abuse in the kind of cults with the candles and the...
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Dr.H: This type of programming will be done in the cults with the candles and
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all the rest. My impression is this is simply done in people where they
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have great access to them or they're bloodline and their parents are in
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it and they can be raised in it from an early age. If they are bloodline
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they are the chosen generation. If not, they're expendable and they are
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expected to die and not get well. There will be booby traps in your way
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if they aren't non-bloodline people that when they get well they will
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kill themselves. I'll tell you just a little about that. My belief is
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that some people that have ritual abuse and don't have this have been
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ritually abused but they may be part of a non-mainstream group. The
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Satanism comes in the overall philosophy overriding all of this.
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People say, "What's the purpose of it?" My best guess is that the
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purpose of it is that they want an army of Manchurian Candidates, ten of
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thousands of mental robots who will do prostitution, do child
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pornography, smuggle drugs, engage in international arms smuggling, do
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snuff films, all sorts of very lucrative things and do their bidding and
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eventually the megalomaniacs at the top believe they'll create a Satanic
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Order that will rule the world. One last question. Then I'll give you
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couple of details and we need to shift gears.
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Q: You have suggested and implied that at some point at a high level of the
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U.S. Government there was support of this kind of thing. I know we're short
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of time, but could you just say a few words about the documentation that
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may exist for that suggestion?
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Dr.H: There isn't great documentation of it. It comes from victims who are
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imperiled witnesses. The interesting thing is how many people have
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described the same scenario and how many people that we have worked with
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who have had relatives in NASA, in the CIA and in the Military,
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including very high-ups in the Military. I can tell you that a friend
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and colleague of mine who has probably the equivalent of half the table
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space on that far side of the room filled with boxes with declassified
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documents from mind-control research done in the past which has been
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able to be declassified over a considerable -- couple of decades --
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period and has read more government documents about mind control than
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anyone else, has a brief that has literally been sent in the past week
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and a half asking for all information to be declassified about the
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Monarch Project for us to try to find out more. Now let me just mention
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something about some of the stuff that my experience is in several
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patients now that you may run into late in the process. I know I'm
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throwing a lot at you in a hurry. Some of it is completely foreign and
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some of you may think, "Gosh, could any of this be true?" Just, you
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know, ask. Find out in your patients and you may be lucky and there
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isn't any of this. Somewhere at a deep level you may run into some
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things like this. Let me describe to you, if I can find my pen, the
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system in one patient. One patient I had treated for quite a while, a
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non-bloodline person. We had done what appeared to be successful work
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and reached final integration. She came back to me early last year and
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said she was symptomatic with some things. I started inquiring. I found
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a part there we'd integrated. The part basically said, "There was other
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stuff that I couldn't tell you about and you integrated me and so I had
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to split off." I had done some inquiring about things like Alpha, Beta
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as a routine part of it and found they were there and I said to this
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part, "Why didn't you tell me about this stuff?" She said, "Well, we
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gave you some hints but they went right over your head." Says, "I'm
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sorry, but we know that you didn't know enough to help us but now we
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know you can." So the stuff started coming out. It was interesting. She
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described the overall system -- if I can remember it now -- as being
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like this. The circle represented harm to the body, a system of alters
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whose primary purpose was to hurt her including symptoms like
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Munchausen's, self-mutilation, other kinds of things. Each of the
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triangles represented still another different system. She said, "With
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the exception of me," this one part, "you dealt with the whole circle
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with the work that we did before but you didn't touch the rest of the
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stuff." Okay. In the middle of all this was still another system
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consisting of the Cabalistic Tree, which some of you are aware, looks
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approximately like this with lines in between and so on and so forth.
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There's a rough approximation. That represented another system. Then
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once we got past that she implied that this entire thing was somehow
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encompassed by, what do you call it, an hourglass. I kept thinking we
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were at final integration then I'd find some other parts. This person
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had an eagle-eye husband that was watching for certain things that we
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found to be reliable indicators. So often I would get evidence of
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dissociation within a few days. It would suddenly be picked up. You
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know, what we found was I continued to find evidence of dissociation and
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I'd find parts. Finally this part, as I got angry with him and said,
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"Why when I give these ideomotor inquiries am I getting lied to?" This
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part said, "Because you don't understand. You're going to get us all
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killed." We started talking and then she basically said, "It's been
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programmed so that if you succeed and think you've succeeded, you will
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fail. They build it in as a way to laugh at you, that if you ever get us
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integrated, we will die." Here's what she said, this part said, "I'm
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one of twelve disciples," and I've seen this in others, twelve disciples
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within this hourglass each of whom had to memorize a disciple-lesson
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which were basic Satanic kind of premises, philosophies of life like "be
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good to those who hurt you, hate those who are nice to you," on and on
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and on. There may be two or three sentences like that associated with
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each that they had to memorize them. They said, "We are like grains of
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sand falling and when the last grain of sand falls, there's Death." I
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said, "Is Death a part?" "Yes. When the last grain of sand falls the
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Sleeping Giant awakens." The Sleeping Giant was Death, who was then to
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kill them on Day-One or Day-Six after awakening unless certain things
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were followed and we did some of those. Well we also found Death had a
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sister as a backup, used with mirrors to create the sister part. We had
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to get past and deal with that too. Death had certain things that they
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said had to be done to integrate. I started to say, "Oh, come on, they
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lied to you before." She said, "Wait a minute. This what they said you'd
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say. They said that no doctor would ever believe that they had to go
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these extremes to get us well and that's part of the reason they'd
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fail." I said, "Well, tell me, tell me again." She said, "I have to be
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dressed all in red. I have to have Demerol onboard, have taken Demerol.
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A code has to be given and it has to be in a room that's totally dark.
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It has to happen on Day-One or Day-Six after this part's been awakened."
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I said what I'd have to lose? I had a psychiatrist give her a little
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Demerol. We used the code. My office didn't have any windows anyway. It
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was pretty easy. Oh, and there had to be four, I think, candles lit.
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Well, fine. So we did it and everything went well. Maybe it would have
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gone well if we hadn't done it, but I decided not to take the chance and
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to trust the patient maybe. Well, so we go on and then we find another
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part. There's Death And Destruction, another backup also with a sister
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that we had to get through. In fact, I think there were two backups
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there. Interestingly, the very last part was an extremely nice part,
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made especially that way so that they wouldn't want to lose them because
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they would be so adorable and so loving and so sweet that they wouldn't
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want to maybe get rid of them. Then we found that she continued to have
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these feelings with this last part left now of darkness and blackness
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inside. What did we find? A curtain. She said, "They assumed that if you
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ever got to this point, you would," and along the way, by the way, we
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had encountered this stuff about the LSD stuff, the Green Bomb
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programming. The message was that she said, "There is a curtain behind
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which are the remaining feelings and memories, but it can't be opened
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from the middle. It's like a stage curtain. It has to opened this way,"
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that it can't be opened. They assumed that you would try to deal with
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all the feelings. That can't be opened until you've dealt with that last
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part and they've integrated. So far it looks like we've got integration
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that's holding. So I found Death And Destruction and the Hourglass in
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non-bloodline. "The Tree and the Hourglass," this patient informed me,
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"were made of sand because we were meant to die. We're expendable. We're
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the unchosen generation." I've heard variously that it's crystals or
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blood that fills the Hourglass in bloodline people. By the way, you can
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do real simple things like turn the Hourglass on its side so nothing can
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fall out, so time stands still to be able to do certain kinds of work.
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Spread the grains of sand on the seashore so that they can't be numbered
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and the time will not be counted. Got that idea from a ritual-abuse
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victim who had seen some of this kind of programming done that another
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therapist was seeing. So those would be just a few other hints about
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things that may be helpful or meaningful. We're talking about very
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intensive things and at deep levels to me this give us two things. One
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thing it gives to me is hope because it gets to material and it makes
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progress like nothing else we've ever seen with these people who have
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it. The second thing it does for me is it demoralizes me, too, because
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although three years ago I had a pretty good idea about the extent and
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breadth of what they had done to these victims, I had no real
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appreciation for the depth and breadth and intensity of what they'd
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done.
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I want to come back to the other question over here now. The other
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question is how many of them can get well? We don't know. In most things
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in the mental health profession we accept two-thirds of the patients are
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going to improve, maybe seventy percent. There's very little we can get
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everybody well. I think one of the sad things we have to face is that
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many of these patients will probably never be well. My personal belief
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is that if they are being messed with their only hope of getting well is
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if they can somehow get out of contact. Now I know patients who've gone
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to other states and simply had deep-level alters pick up the phone and
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call and said, "This is our new address and phone number" so that they
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could be picked up locally. I mean in an inpatient unit for an extended
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period of time. If they are in a Cult from their area and they are still
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being monitored and messed with, my own personal opinion is we can't get
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them well and can't offer more than humanitarian caring and
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supportiveness. Lots of therapists do not like to hear that. That's my
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opinion. I believe that if somehow they're lucky enough to be wealthy
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enough to have protection, to have somehow gotten away in some way and
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we can work with them without being messed with, that they have a chance
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to reach some semblance of normality and livability with enough
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intensive work. My own personal belief is I don't think anybody with
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this kind of programming is well in this country yet. There are some who
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are well along the way. I've got a couple who are well along in their
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work and have done a tremendous amount, but they're clearly not well
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yet.
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Q: Could you speculate on the relationship between this stuff and the fantasy
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games that have been proliferating, Dungeons and Dragons and that sort of
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thing?
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Dr.H: Well, there are a lot of things out there to cue people. You want to see
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a great movie, interesting movie, to cue people? Go see "Trancers II."
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You can rent it in your video shop. Came out last fall. One night in
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sheer desperation for something at the video store, you know? Nine
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o'clock on Friday night. Everything's gone. I rented a couple of movies
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and one of them is that. Fascinating. They're talking about Green World
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Order. Yes, "Trancers II." And who is the production company? Full Moon
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Productions. I couldn't see much cuing in "Trancers I," but who's the
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production company in "Trancers I"? Alter Productions. There are lots
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of things around that are cuing. There's an interesting person in the
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late sixties who talked about the Illuminati. Have any of you ever heard
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of the Illuminati with regard to the Cult? Had a patient bring that up
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to me just about exactly two years ago. We've now had other stuff come
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out from other patients. Appears to be the name of the international
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world leadership. There appear to be Illuminatic Counsels in several
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parts of the world and one internationally. The name of the
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international leadership of the Cult supposedly. Is this true? well, I
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don't know. It's interesting we're getting some people who are trying to
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work without cuing who are saying some very similar things. There was an
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old guy in Hollywood in the late sixties who talked about the
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infiltration of Hollywood by the Illuminati. Certainly what some
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patients have said is all of this spook stuff, horror stuff, possession
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and everything else that's been popularized in the last twenty years in
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Hollywood is in order to soften up the public so that when a Satanic
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world order takes over, everyone will have been desensitized to so many
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of these things, plus to continually cue lots of people out there. Is
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that true? Well, I can't definitely tell you that it is. What I can say
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is I now believe that ritual-abuse programming is widespread, is
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systematic, is very organized from highly esoteric information which is
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published nowhere, has not been on any book or talk show, that we have
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found all around this country and at least one foreign country. Let's
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take a couple of quick questions and we need to get on to other
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material. Yes?
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Q: Do you have any techniques for decreasing your level of uncertainty that a
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patient is or is not being still tampered with, "messed with," as you said?
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Dr.H: Just that I would ask several of the parts I've inquired about, Core,
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Diana, Wisdom, Master Programmer, several parts inside I would ask about
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these sorts of things and I will keep asking it. As you do additional
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work and get a bit further, I would ask again to find out. In the back?
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Q: I wonder if you've heard or you know of the Martin Luther Bloodline?
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Dr.H: The what?
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Q: Martin Luther Bloodline?
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Dr.H: I know nothing about Martin Luther Bloodline. I'll give you one other
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quick tip. Ask him about an identification code. There's an
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identification code that people have. It will involve their birth date.
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It may involve places where they were programmed and it will usually
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involve a number in there that will be their birth order, like zero-two
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if they were second-born. It will usually involve a number that
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represents the number of generations in the Cult, if they are
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bloodlines. I've seen up to twelve now, twelve generations.
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Q: I have seen a lot of the things you've been describing today in several
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patients. I wanted to ask you a question about the Seven Systems. You
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mentioned something about systems here. Are there Seven Systems?
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Dr.H: There has been that described in some patients, yes, the Seven Systems.
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Q: Could you say what that is or a little diagram?
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Dr.H: I don't think we know enough to know what it is, honestly. I think it
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may have to do with Seven Cabalistic Trees.
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Q: Have you ever had any evidence where any of these people have been tagged
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and there have been anything of their body-parts that might be related to
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this, private parts in particular?
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Dr.H: Well, there are certainly people that have had tattoos, that have had a
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variety of other kinds of things, some of which have been, you know,
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documented in cases, but I mean to say, well, maybe they did that to
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themselves or had it done consciously to really prove something, not
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that occurs to right off the bat. Let me just take this one last
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question back and we need to go on to other material because we're never
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going to get through it all. I'll just ask you to hold your question.
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Q: It's not a question but I wanted to say for myself, personally, and perhaps
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for others here as well, I wanted to thank you very sincerely for taking
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this time to come forward. [Applause]
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Dr.H: Well, [Applause]
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Q: Does anyone want to join us for a standing ovation for this material? It's
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wonderful. [Sustained applause]
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Dr.H: A dear friend who's one of the top people in the field, who I know has
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had death threats, but I know struggled for professional credibility in
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believing in MPD and was harshly criticized for even believing in that
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ten and fifteen years ago, and struggled to a point of professional
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credibility. I think in his heart of hearts he knows it's true, but he
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will say things like, "I wouldn't be surprised to find tomorrow it was
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an international conspiracy and I wouldn't be surprised to find tomorrow
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that it is an urban myth and rumor." He tries to stay right on the fence
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and the reason is because it's controversial, because there is a
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campaign underway saying these all false memories induced by, along with
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incest and everything else, by "Oprah" and by books like "The Courage to
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Heal" and by naive therapists using hypnosis. It's controversial. My
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personal opinion has come to be if they're going to kill me, they're
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going to kill me. There's going to be an awful lot of information
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that's been put away that'll go to investigative reporters and multiple
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investigative agencies, if it happens, and an awful lot of people like
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you , I hope, that if I ever have an accident will be pushing for a very
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large-scale investigation. I think we have to stand up as some kind of
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moral conscience at some point and I tried to wait until we had gotten
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enough verification from independent places to have some real confidence
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that this was widespread. I know we've gone like a house afire to try
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to pack as much as I could in for you. I hope it's given you some things
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to think about and some new ideas and I appreciate being with you.
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[Long sustained applause]
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