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F I D O N E W S Volume 16, Number 29 19 July 1999
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| The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
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| FidoNet community | "FidoNews" |
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| _ | +27-41-581-5913 [5:5/23] |
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| | (*) | \ )) | Henk Wolsink 5:7104/2 |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
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2. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 2
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The Slippery Slope of Control - D Myers .................. 2
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3. ARTICLES ................................................. 4
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FidoNet Via Internet Hubs ................................ 4
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NAB & Z1B Echo Diff ...................................... 5
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North American Backbone Echo Changes [Mar-Apr] ........... 7
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Z1 Backbone Echo Changes [Mar-Apr] ....................... 9
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4. COLUMNS .................................................. 11
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ECHO TALK - Why motorcycles are better than women ........ 11
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5. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 12
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Victory Party after Z1C(ow) Election ..................... 12
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6. NOTICES .................................................. 13
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Future History ........................................... 13
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7. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 14
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8. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 16
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FIDONEWS 16-29 Page 1 19 Jul 1999
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EDITORIAL
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Greetings,
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Yes, thanks very much. I'm feeling just about 100% again. :-)
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This flu is something else, believe me. But don't ask me what it
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was, I'm no doctor. ;-)
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However, on with the show.
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According to Doug's article, there is a new Z1C. Great. Soon we will
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see an official announcement in FidoNews, or will we?
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In order to determine how many of you read the Snooze, either by when
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you receive this copy, reading it on-line at your nearest BBS in the
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FIDONEWS echo or at http://www.fidonews.org or by whatever means, is
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it possible to let me know, by sending me either a Netmail at
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5:7104/2 or e-mail me at hwolsink@catpe.alt.za -- I'll appriciate
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your reply. Thanks in advance.
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And as usually, happy reading,
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FIDONEWS 16-29 Page 2 19 Jul 1999
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GUEST EDITORIAL
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The Slippery Slope of Control
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Douglas Myers, 1:270/720
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douglas.myers@k12.ftn.org
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Mike O'Conner, Region 12 Coordinator, is possibly one of the most
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respected coordinators in Fidonet. He was widely perceived as a
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critic of "control" politics when he allowed Region 10 "refugee"
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nodes to join Region 12 rather than put up with the control politics
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which were at issue in Region 10 at the time. It's ironic that
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today he faces the criticism of his own region over a control issue.
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MIke is under fire for not accurately reporting his region's choice
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of candidate in the Z1C election. During this last week in the Z1C
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election process, Net Coordinators polled their nets to determine
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the sysops' choice for Z1C. This information was to be relayed to
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the RC who would then vote in accordance with his region's wishes in
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the closed election.
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Region 12's choice for Z1C was me, followed by David Moufarrege.
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MIke, however, waited until most of the RC votes were in and took
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note that I didn't have sufficient support to win the election, and
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that David was the only candidate who could win on the first ballot.
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So he cast the deciding vote for David.
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Ross Cassell, Election Coordinator, responded to a netmail protest
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from Region 12. In this response, Ross ruled that Mike's vote would
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not be overturned. Though he conceded that Mike was answerable to
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his region for his actions, he pointed out that the elections rules
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did not have a provision for forcing an RC to vote in accordance
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with his region's wishes. He also pointed out that a reversal of
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this vote was unlikely to produce a different winner.
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Under Ross' scenario, had Mike actually reported the R12 vote
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accurately, it would have forced a decision by Bob Satti to break
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the tie for second place between Dallas Hinton and me, and then a
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runoff between David and the survivor in second place. Ross feels
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that David would have picked up one of the votes from the regions
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whose candidate was eliminated, thus giving him the majority he
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needed on the second round.
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As a Region 13 sysop, I'll certainly have no say in the upcoming
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Region 12 RC election... and I certainly have no authority over the
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Z1C Election Coordinator. However, as an "aggrieved party," I'll
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claim my traditional Fidonet right to add my two cents to the
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discussion :)
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Strangely, I've got no anger towards Mike O'Conner. All he took
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which may have been mine is a bit of fleeting "score." I believe
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that I'd have needed to carry at least one other region which went
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to David in order to mount a meaningful second round challenge. I
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FIDONEWS 16-29 Page 3 19 Jul 1999
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almost sympathize with Mike... he was placed in an untenable
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position. The RCs were concerned about the consequences of a direct
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sysop election and retained their traditional control over the final
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results. Though they made a pledge to represent the will of their
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regions, is it so surprising that one of their rank yielded to the
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temptation of control at the last moment?
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Nor do I have a quarrel with the election coordinator. It was clear
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from the start that the RCs would have ultimate control over the
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final selection of the Z1C, and I doubt that the vote could or
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should be overturned now.
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I would argue instead that the RCs learn from this experience and
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apply it to the next election. Consider that the time has come for
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a direct count of the sysops' vote. Consider that the expected
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pandemonium and degeneration of the election process during the
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period when sysop voting was happening never materialized. Consider
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that the most significant breach of the election process, though it
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may have been well-meant, came from among your number.
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Consider that the representative method of voting had an unintended
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(and, as yet, unanalyzed) consequence: that some of the most
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interested and qualified sysops did not vote in this election. I'm
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referring mostly to the net coordinators who mostly seemed to
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suppress their own voice in favor of shepherding their net's vote.
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It seemed to me that most of the nets where detailed information was
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supplied were small nets, three and four nodes... so these net
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coordinators may have been as much as 25% of the eligible voters. I
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don't know if NCs counted themselves into the voting tally they
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reported, but I suspect that NCs suppressed their own vote when it
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would have overturned the results from the rest of their nodes. I
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have no way of proving this and I doubt that it materially affected
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the actual election results in the current election... but it can't
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be good to have as much as 25% of the electorate involved in the
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mechanics of the election.
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Finally, my condolences to David Moufarrege. You won this election
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convincingly, you ran a clean campaign, and you deserve to assume
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the Z1C position without the stigma which this election blemish will
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attach to you. It's unfair and deplorable, but some will use this
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to question the legitimacy of your election... to deny you your
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mandate. Some will forget, or choose to ignore, that you actually
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were the choice of the sysops in this election. I'd like to take
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this opportunity to remind them.
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Let's all not forget that this is the closest which Zone 1 has ever
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come to a direct sysop election for Z1C. Though it may not have
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been perfect, the election was a success in that the sysops of Zone
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1 had a real voice in the ZC selection.
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FIDONEWS 16-29 Page 4 19 Jul 1999
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ARTICLES
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Fidonet Via Internet Hubs
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Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
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Zone 1 |
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10/3 | Brenda Donovabn | FTP,UUE,BinkP | T1? | $??/$10
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12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
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13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
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103/301 | Joe Jared | BinkP | aDSL | n/c
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105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
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106/1 | Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | 128k | n/c
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106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | 64k | $5/mo.
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107/451 | Andy Knifel | FTP, VMoT, UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20
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2424/101 | Kari Suomela | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo.
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271/140 | Tom Barstow | UUE | T1 | n/c
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275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE | 28.8 | $10/yr
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280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
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342/3 | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c
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346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo.
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396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $15mo.
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396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
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2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn
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2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,UUE | T1 | n/c
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2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo.
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2613/404 | David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+ | n/c
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2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | $15yr.
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3632/84 | Robert Todd | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
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Zone 2 |
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20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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23/999 | Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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221/360 | Tommi Koivula | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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252/300 | Sean Rima | BinkP, UUE, FTP| 128k | n/c
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254/175 | Alex Kemp | UUE | 56k | n/c
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284/800 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
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292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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335/535 | Mario Mure | VMoT,UUE | 64k | n/c
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335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
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480/112 | Adam Sarapata | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c
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2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
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5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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Zone 3
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633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
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640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
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774/605 | Barry Blackford | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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Zone 4
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905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT, UUE | ??? | n/c
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902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c
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--
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* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
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* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
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* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
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* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
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Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
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Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@fidonews.webworldinc.com, and
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complaints to jarhead@fidonews.webworldinc.com.
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NAB & Z1B Echo Diff
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by Lisa Gronke, 1:105/9
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lisa@psg.com
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diff backbone.na (04-Jul-99) backbone.z1b (04-Jul-99) [edited]
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Echos on the NAB but not on the Z1B
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60S_70S_PROGROCK 60's/70's Progressive Rock Music Echo
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AIDS-HIV AIDS & HIV
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ALASKA GENERAL CHAT FOR ALASKA
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AMIGA_FILEFIND Filefind Echo for AMIGA computers
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AMIGA_INT Amiga Worldwide
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AMY_COMMS International Amiga Telecommunications
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ARIZONA GENERAL CHAT FOR ARIZONA
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ARKANSAS_ GENERAL CHAT FOR ARKANSAS
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ASL American Sign Language Echo
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ATHEISM Intra-atheist education and discussion echo.
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CALIFORNIA GENERAL CHAT FOR CALIFORNIA
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COLORADO GENERAL CHAT FOR COLORADO
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CONFED_HERITAGE Confederate Heritage
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CONNECTICUT GENERAL CHAT FOR CONNECTICUT
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DELAWARE GENERAL CHAT FOR DELAWARE
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DELPHI Borland Delphi Developers' Echo
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EC_SUPPORT Ezycom BBS Support for Sysop's
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EQUUS HORSE DISCUSSION ECHO
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FLORIDA GENERAL CHAT FOR FLORIDA
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GEORGIA GENERAL CHAT FOR GEORGIA
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HAM_REQ Amateur Radio File Announcements & Requests
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HAWAII GENERAL CHAT FOR HAWAII
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I95 Cruising Interstate 95
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IDAHO GENERAL CHAT FOR IDAHO
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ILLINOIS GENERAL CHAT FOR ILLINOIS
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INDIANA GENERAL CHAT FOR INDIANA
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IOWA GENERAL CHAT FOR IOWA
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KANSAS GENERAL CHAT FOR KANSAS
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KENTUCKY GENERAL CHAT FOR KENTUCKY
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LOUISIANA GENERAL CHAT FOR LOUISIANA
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MAINE GENERAL CHAT FOR MAINE
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MARYLAND GENERAL CHAT FOR MARYLAND
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MASSACHUSETTS GENERAL CHAT FOR MASSACHUSETTS
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MEXICAN_LINK Mexico's International Link (Multilingual)
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MILITARY Military General Conference for all services.
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MINNESOTA GENERAL CHAT FOR MINNESOTA
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MISSISSIPPI GENERAL CHAT FOR MISSISSIPPI
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MISSOURI GENERAL CHAT FOR MISSOURI
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MLM Multi-Level Marketing conference
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MONTANA GENERAL CHAT FOR MONTANA
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M_GRIPE Gripe: The Mother of All Echos
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NATURIST Naturist/nudist discussion
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NAVY U.S. Navy Support Echo Conference
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NEBRASKA GENERAL CHAT FOR NEBRASKA
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NEVADA GENERAL CHAT FOR NEVADA
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NEW_HAMPSHIRE GENERAL CHAT FOR NEW HAMPSHIRE
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NEW_JERSEY GENERAL CHAT FOR NEW JERSEY
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NEW_MEXICO GENERAL CHAT FOR NEW MEXICO
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NEW_YORK GENERAL CHAT FOR NEW YORK
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NORTH_DAKOTA GENERAL CHAT FOR NORTH DAKOTA
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OHIO GENERAL CHAT FOR OHIO
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OJ_SIMPSON O.J. Simpson discussion
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OREGON GENERAL CHAT FOR OREGON
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PARROTS PARROTS CONFERENCE
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PAUL_REVERE The Paul Revere 2AM Grassroots Conference
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PCWRITE PCWrite and Multi-Platform Computing
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RCM Radio Control Model II
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RHODE_ISLAND GENERAL CHAT FOR RHODE ISLAND
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SET Setian Discussions (Formerly "Base of Set")
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SOUTH_CAROLINA GENERAL CHAT FOR SOUTH CAROLINA
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SOUTH_DAKOTA GENERAL CHAT FOR SOUTH DAKOTA
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SUPERBBS SuperBBS Support Echo
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TENNESSEE GENERAL CHAT FOR TENNESSEE
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THEIST_WATCH American Atheist Watch on Religious Shenanigans
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TRADEWARS Conference for Discussion of the Game Tradewars
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UTAH GENERAL CHAT FOR UTAH
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VERMONT GENERAL CHAT FOR VERMONT
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VIN_MAISON The Wine Lovers Echo! Vinting, Tasting & Sharing
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VIRGINIA GENERAL CHAT FOR VIRGINIA
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WASHINGTON GENERAL CHAT FOR WASHINGTON
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WEST_VIRGINIA GENERAL CHAT FOR WEST VIRGINIA
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FIDONEWS 16-29 Page 7 19 Jul 1999
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WISCONSIN GENERAL CHAT FOR WISCONSIN
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WYOMING GENERAL CHAT FOR WYOMING
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Z1-ELECTION Alternate Z1C Election discussion area
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Echos on the Z1B but not on the NAB
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None
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The NAB list, backbone.na (04-Jul-99) has 798 echos.
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The Z1B list, backbone.z1b (04-Jul-99) has 724 echos.
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North American Backbone Echo Changes [Mar-Apr]
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by Lisa Gronke, 1:105/9
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lisa@psg.com
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Summary of NAB echo changes during Mar & Apr.
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Brought to you courtesy of (unix) diff.
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diff backbone.na 07-Mar-99 backbone.na 02-May-99 [edited].
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Added to the NAB list of echos
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> ALASKA GENERAL CHAT FOR ALASKA
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> ARIZONA GENERAL CHAT FOR ARIZONA
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> ARKANSAS_ GENERAL CHAT FOR ARKANSAS
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> BBBS.ENGLISH The International BBBS Support Echo
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> CALIFORNIA GENERAL CHAT FOR CALIFORNIA
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> COLORADO GENERAL CHAT FOR COLORADO
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> CONNECTICUT GENERAL CHAT FOR CONNECTICUT
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> DDS_ECHO DDS FDN Administrative Echo
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> DELAWARE GENERAL CHAT FOR DELAWARE
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> EBAY_CHAT A place to discuss EBAY buys and sells
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> FIDO_DISTRIBUTION Echomail Distribution System Discussions
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> FLORIDA GENERAL CHAT FOR FLORIDA
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> GEORGIA GENERAL CHAT FOR GEORGIA
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> HAWAII GENERAL CHAT FOR HAWAII
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> IDAHO GENERAL CHAT FOR IDAHO
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> ILLINOIS GENERAL CHAT FOR ILLINOIS
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> INDIANA GENERAL CHAT FOR INDIANA
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> IOWA GENERAL CHAT FOR IOWA
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> KANSAS GENERAL CHAT FOR KANSAS
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> KENTUCKY GENERAL CHAT FOR KENTUCKY
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> KOSOVO Discussions about the events in Kosovo
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> LOUISIANA GENERAL CHAT FOR LOUISIANA
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> MAINE GENERAL CHAT FOR MAINE
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> MARYLAND GENERAL CHAT FOR MARYLAND
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> MASSACHUSETTS GENERAL CHAT FOR MASSACHUSETTS
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> MINNESOTA GENERAL CHAT FOR MINNESOTA
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> MISSISSIPPI GENERAL CHAT FOR MISSISSIPPI
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> MISSOURI GENERAL CHAT FOR MISSOURI
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> MONTANA GENERAL CHAT FOR MONTANA
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FIDONEWS 16-29 Page 8 19 Jul 1999
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> NEBRASKA GENERAL CHAT FOR NEBRASKA
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> NEVADA GENERAL CHAT FOR NEVADA
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> NEW_HAMPSHIRE GENERAL CHAT FOR NEW HAMPSHIRE
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> NEW_JERSEY GENERAL CHAT FOR NEW JERSEY
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> NEW_MEXICO GENERAL CHAT FOR NEW MEXICO
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> NEW_YORK GENERAL CHAT FOR NEW YORK
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> NORTH_DAKOTA GENERAL CHAT FOR NORTH DAKOTA
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> OHIO GENERAL CHAT FOR OHIO
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> OREGON GENERAL CHAT FOR OREGON
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> RHODE_ISLAND GENERAL CHAT FOR RHODE ISLAND
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> SOUTH_CAROLINA GENERAL CHAT FOR SOUTH CAROLINA
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> SOUTH_DAKOTA GENERAL CHAT FOR SOUTH DAKOTA
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> TENNESSEE GENERAL CHAT FOR TENNESSEE
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> UTAH GENERAL CHAT FOR UTAH
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> VERMONT GENERAL CHAT FOR VERMONT
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> VIRGINIA GENERAL CHAT FOR VIRGINIA
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> WASHINGTON GENERAL CHAT FOR WASHINGTON
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> WEBTV WEBTV
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> WEST_VIRGINIA GENERAL CHAT FOR WEST VIRGINIA
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> WISCONSIN GENERAL CHAT FOR WISCONSIN
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> WYOMING GENERAL CHAT FOR WYOMING
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> ZCC_SUNSHINE Crosspost msgs from ZCC-closed-conference
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Removed from the NAB list of echos
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< FIDO2000 FidoNet 2000 Conference
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||
< FIDOWEB FidoNet Web Page Conference
|
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< GOLDED.BETA GoldED Alpha, Beta, Gamma discussion.
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< INET_NODELIST FidoNet Nodelisting of Internet Sites
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< WIN99 Echo for the discussion of Windows 99 software
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o There are 795 echos in backbone.na [02-May-99] (up 46)
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North American Backbone Echo Changes [May-Jun]
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by Lisa Gronke, 1:105/9
|
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lisa@psg.com
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|
||
Summary of NAB echo changes during May & Jun.
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||
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Brought to you courtesy of (unix) diff.
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diff backbone.na 02-May-99 backbone.na 04-Jul-99 [edited].
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Added to the NAB list of echos
|
||
------------------------------
|
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> ER Er Hit TV Show
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> FIDOTEST Fidonet TEST echo and malfunction conference
|
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> FTN_INTERNET FTN Internet Discussion
|
||
> HWDEBATE Computer hardware debate
|
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> HWECHO Computer hardware discussions
|
||
> MILLENNIUM Millennium TV show discussions
|
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> REGIONS REGIONS echo
|
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> SUPER-BASTARD Super Bastards Echo
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> Z1-ELECTION Alternate Z1C Election discussion area
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FIDONEWS 16-29 Page 9 19 Jul 1999
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Removed from the NAB list of echos
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< A_THEIST A_Theist - State/church separation
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< BURL Serialized Electronic Novels
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< CARPENTERS Fans of Karen & Richard Carpenter & their music
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< EBAY_CHAT A place to discuss EBAY buys and sells
|
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< GENEALOGY.CDN Canadian Genealogy
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< WIN.SYSOP Windows-Based BBS Software Support
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o There are 798 echos in backbone.na [04-Jul-99] (up 3)
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Z1 Backbone Echo Changes [Mar-Apr]
|
||
by Lisa Gronke, 1:105/9
|
||
lisa@psg.com
|
||
|
||
Summary of Z1B echo changes during Mar & Apr.
|
||
|
||
Brought to you courtesy of (unix) diff.
|
||
|
||
diff backbone.z1b 07-Mar-99 backbone.z1b 02-May-99 [edited].
|
||
|
||
Added to the Z1B list of echos
|
||
------------------------------
|
||
> BBBS.ENGLISH The International BBBS Support Echo
|
||
> DDS_ECHO DDS FDN Administrative Echo
|
||
> EBAY_CHAT A place to discuss EBAY buys and sells!
|
||
> FIDO_DISTRIBUTION FidoNet Echomail Distribution System Discussions
|
||
> KOSOVO Discussions about the events in Kosovo
|
||
> WEBTV WEBTV
|
||
> WIN2000 Windows 2000 Echo
|
||
> ZCC_SUNSHINE Crosspost msgs from ZCC-closed-conference
|
||
|
||
Removed from the Z1B list of echos
|
||
----------------------------------
|
||
< FIDO2000 FidoNet 2000 Conference
|
||
< FIDOWEB FidoNet Web Page Conference
|
||
< GOLDED.BETA GoldED Alpha, Beta, Gamma discussion.
|
||
|
||
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|
||
o There are 748 echos in backbone.z1b [02-May-99] (up 5)
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||
|
||
Z1 Backbone Echo Changes [May-Jun]
|
||
by Lisa Gronke, 1:105/9
|
||
lisa@psg.com
|
||
|
||
Summary of Z1B echo changes during May & Jun.
|
||
|
||
Brought to you courtesy of (unix) diff.
|
||
|
||
diff backbone.z1b 02-May-99 backbone.z1b 04-Jul-99 [edited].
|
||
|
||
Added to the Z1B list of echos
|
||
FIDONEWS 16-29 Page 10 19 Jul 1999
|
||
|
||
|
||
------------------------------
|
||
> ER Er Hit TV Show
|
||
> FIDOTEST Fidonet TEST echo and malfunction conference
|
||
> FTN_INTERNET FTN Internet Discussion
|
||
> HWDEBATE Computer hardware debate
|
||
> HWECHO Computer hardware discussions
|
||
> MILLENNIUM Millennium TV show discussions
|
||
> REGIONS REGIONS echo.
|
||
> SUPER-BASTARD Super Bastards Echo
|
||
|
||
Removed from the Z1B list of echos
|
||
----------------------------------
|
||
< 60S_70S_PROGROCK 60's/70's Progressive Rock Music Echo
|
||
< AIDS-HIV AIDS & HIV
|
||
< AMIGA_FILEFIND Filefind Echo for AMIGA computers
|
||
< AMIGA_INT Amiga Worldwide
|
||
< AMY_COMMS International Amiga Telecommunications
|
||
< ASL American Sign Language Echo
|
||
< ATHEISM Intra-atheist education and discussion echo.
|
||
< A_THEIST A_Theist - State/church separation
|
||
< BURL Serialized Electronic Novels
|
||
< CARPENTERS Fans of Karen & Richard Carpenter & their music
|
||
< CONFED_HERITAGE Confederate Heritage
|
||
< DELPHI Borland Delphi Developers' Echo
|
||
< EBAY_CHAT A place to discuss EBAY buys and sells!
|
||
< EC_SUPPORT Ezycom BBS Support for Sysop's
|
||
< GENEALOGY.CDN Canadian Genealogy
|
||
< HAM_REQ Amateur Radio File Announcements & Requests
|
||
< I95 Cruising Interstate 95
|
||
< MEXICAN_LINK Mexico's International Link (Multilingual)
|
||
< MILITARY Military General Conference for all services.
|
||
< MLM Multi-Level Marketing conference
|
||
< M_GRIPE Gripe: The Mother of All Echos
|
||
< NATURIST Naturist/nudist discussion
|
||
< NAVY U.S. Navy Support Echo Conference
|
||
< PAUL_REVERE The Paul Revere 2AM Grassroots Conference
|
||
< PCWRITE PCWrite and Multi-Platform Computing
|
||
< RCM Radio Control Model II
|
||
< SET Setian Discussions (Formerly "Base of Set")
|
||
< SUPERBBS SuperBBS Support Echo
|
||
< THEIST_WATCH American Atheist Watch on Religious Shenanigans
|
||
< TRADEWARS Conference for Discussion of the Game Tradewars
|
||
< VIN_MAISON The Wine Lovers Echo!
|
||
< WIN.SYSOP Windows-Based BBS Software Support
|
||
|
||
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|
||
o There are 724 echos in backbone.z1b [04-Jul-99] (down 24)
|
||
|
||
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FIDONEWS 16-29 Page 11 19 Jul 1999
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
COLUMNS
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||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
|
||
. -- -- -- -- -- ECHO TALK -- -- -- -- -- .
|
||
| Food for thought from Fido's echomail. |
|
||
| Purloined without permission by D Myers |
|
||
` -- -- -- -- -- -- - -- -- -- -- -- -- '
|
||
|
||
This week's "contribution" is taken from a message by Roy Witt in
|
||
the SUPER-BITCH echo. Roy retaliates for "Why women love cucumbers
|
||
better than men" in this expose on Why men love motercycles better
|
||
than women.
|
||
|
||
1. Motorcycles don't put on weight.
|
||
2. Motorcycles come with an instruction manual.
|
||
3. All you have to do is turn a key to turn one on.
|
||
4. With age, bikes become classics, women just get old and fat.
|
||
5. Motorcycles don't care if you have more than one bike.
|
||
6. New paint is cheaper than a face lift.
|
||
7. Just trade in when bored with it.
|
||
8. Only have to mess with fluids every 3000 miles, not monthly.
|
||
9. Bikes have no creepy friends who hate men.
|
||
10. The bike is always there for you.
|
||
11. Motorcycles don't mind if you ride another one.
|
||
12. Motorcycles look good 24/7.
|
||
13. Bikes don't have facial hair.
|
||
14. Bikes don't need their fork legs shaved every day.
|
||
15. Motorcycles are ready to ride all the time.
|
||
16. Motorcycles don't look like their mothers in five years.
|
||
17. Or act like them.
|
||
18. Gas is cheaper than dinner and a movie.
|
||
19. Bikes don't look around.
|
||
20. Bikes like to go fast.
|
||
21. Motorcycles don't play mind games.
|
||
22. A bike will flat ass kill you, not drag it out in marriage.
|
||
23. A bike has gauges so you tell can what it's doing.
|
||
24. Motorcycles don't retain water and get bitchy.
|
||
25. Bikes don't care how loud the music is.
|
||
26. Bikes don't talk back.
|
||
27. Motorcycles are not interested in families.
|
||
28. Bikes don't get into religion, ever.
|
||
29. Motorcycles don't hog the bath room in the morning.
|
||
30. Bikes don't need make-up to look good.
|
||
31. Motorcycles don't care if your socks don't match.
|
||
32. When a bike backfires, it's only noise.
|
||
33. Bikes never mistrust your judgement.
|
||
|
||
|
||
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|
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|
||
FIDONEWS 16-29 Page 12 19 Jul 1999
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
COMIX IN ASCII
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=================================================================
|
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|
||
|
||
Victory Party after Z1C(ow) Election
|
||
|
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|
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FIDONEWS 16-29 Page 13 19 Jul 1999
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=================================================================
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NOTICES
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=================================================================
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||
|
||
|
||
Future History
|
||
|
||
24 Jul 1999
|
||
XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].
|
||
|
||
10 Sep 1999
|
||
10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.
|
||
|
||
26 Oct 1999
|
||
Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.
|
||
|
||
31 Dec 1999
|
||
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.
|
||
|
||
1 Jan 2000
|
||
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.
|
||
|
||
1 Jun 2000
|
||
EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.
|
||
|
||
15 Sep 2000
|
||
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.
|
||
|
||
21 Sep 2000
|
||
10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR)
|
||
|
||
1 Jan 2001
|
||
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.
|
||
|
||
-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
|
||
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.
|
||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
FIDONEWS 16-29 Page 14 19 Jul 1999
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
FIDONET BY INTERNET
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
|
||
FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.
|
||
|
||
FidoNet:
|
||
|
||
Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
|
||
FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
|
||
http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII]
|
||
WWW sources http://travel.to/fidonet/
|
||
FTSC page http://www.ftsc.org/
|
||
Echomail [pending]
|
||
General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
|
||
List servers:
|
||
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
|
||
|
||
Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
|
||
|
||
Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
|
||
|
||
Region 13: http://www.net264.org/r13.htm
|
||
|
||
Net 264: http://www.net264.org/
|
||
|
||
Region 14:
|
||
|
||
Net 282: http://www.rxn.com/~net282/
|
||
|
||
Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
|
||
|
||
Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/
|
||
|
||
Region 19: http://members.home.net/hbh3/r19
|
||
|
||
Zone 1 Elist http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
|
||
|
||
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
|
||
|
||
Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
|
||
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido (English/German)
|
||
|
||
Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/
|
||
|
||
Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
|
||
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
|
||
FIDONEWS 16-29 Page 15 19 Jul 1999
|
||
|
||
|
||
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
|
||
|
||
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
|
||
|
||
Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
|
||
|
||
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
|
||
REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
|
||
|
||
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
|
||
|
||
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
|
||
|
||
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
|
||
|
||
Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
|
||
|
||
Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
|
||
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
|
||
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
|
||
Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Zone 4:
|
||
|
||
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
|
||
|
||
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)
|
||
|
||
============
|
||
|
||
Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
|
||
and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If
|
||
no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
|
||
that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages
|
||
should list access points to all Networks within the Region.
|
||
|
||
TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
|
||
to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.
|
||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
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|
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FIDONEWS 16-29 Page 16 19 Jul 1999
|
||
|
||
|
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|
||
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|
||
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|
||
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|
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|
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|
||
Editors Emeriti: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
|
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Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell,
|
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Donald Tees, Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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and http://www.fidonet.dynip.com/public/fidonews/default.htm
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and in the FIDONEWS echo.
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FIDONEWS 16-29 Page 18 19 Jul 1999
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STAR SOURCE for ALL Past Issues via FTP and file-request -
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Available for FReq from 1:396/1 or by anonymous FTP from:
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ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/
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Each yearly archive also contains a listing of the Table-of-Contents
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for that year's issues. The total set is currently about 13 Megs.
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The current week's FidoNews are now also available almost immediately
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after publication on the FidoNews Editor homepage on the World Wide
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Web at:
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http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html
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There are also links there to jim barchuk's HTML FidoNews source and
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to John Souvestre's FTP site for the archives. There is also an
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email link for sending in an article as message text. Drop on over.
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SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in
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FidoNews. Article submission requirements are contained in the file
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ARTSPEC.DOC, available from the FidoNews Editor, or file-requestable
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from 5:5/23 [5:7104/2] as file "ARTSPEC.DOC". ALL Zone Coordinators
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should have copies of ARTSPEC.DOC. Please read it.
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"Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered
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trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA 94141,
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and are used with permission.
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"Disagreement is actually necessary,
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or we'd all have to get in fights
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or something to amuse ourselves
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and create the requisite chaos."
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-Tom Jennings
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