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F I D O N E W S Volume 15, Number 48 30 November 1998
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| The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
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| FidoNet community | "FidoNews" |
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
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2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 2
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Password Change - Right or Wrong? ........................ 2
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IP addressing ............................................ 2
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3. NOTICES .................................................. 5
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4. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 6
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5. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 9
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FIDONEWS 15-48 Page 1 30 Nov 1998
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EDITORIAL
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Greetings,
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And now for the last issue for November 1998. In 31 days, we have
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1999 and the start of a new year.
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Has 1998 gone past without you knowing what you did? Or was it a
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year in which you knew what was going on, but you ignored it anyway?
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Well whichever way, you have 31 days to correct it. :-)
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Happy reading,
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FIDONEWS 15-48 Page 2 30 Nov 1998
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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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Password Change - Right or Wrong?
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Kent Anderson 1:382/92/kand@onr.com
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Your letter in Fidonews F47 points out, line by line, your sysopsis of
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what happened in the recent password change incident. In actuality,
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it's the best proof I have seen of the correctness of Thom Lacosta's
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action in revealing the password to Rob Ferrera. Here's why I feel
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this is true:
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Those who move the mail MUST know to whom they look for initiating
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action within the conference. They have no way whatever of knowing
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that some puppetmaster behind the scences is making a dummy dance.
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Their looking to the LISTED Moderator(s) is the only logical
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approach. It even makes sense to consider the first listed Moderator
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as in charge in the event of a dispute.
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The commonly accepted practice through all the time I have
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participated in Fidonet activities has been to consider the listed
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Moderator as in charge of a conference, and the one with authority
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there, when authority must be wielded. That authority includes with
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it the right to delegate to another such tasks as the Moderator deems
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fitting. Delegating those duties does not mean that the person in
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charge delegates the responsibility for the delegated task to
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performed properly.
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Revealing a password to the proven Moderator of an echo is not
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something new. Under proper circumstances, it was most certainly done
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when Adrian Walker kept the echo list, and so far as I know during
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his predecessors' regimes. As a Fidonet Moderator, I have not the
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slightest compunction about letting the security of my echo's
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password rest with Thom. I personally feel that we owe him a vote of
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thanks for preventing an echo from being orchestrated from behind the
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scenes by someone unknown to the users of that echo.
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[ED Interesting comment, the question remains, is the elist worth it,
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as commented in my Editorial of last week?
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Finally something I can get up on the soap box about. Now
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listen up it's time for a lesson. Stepping up to my Soap
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Box I Proclaim:
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Is there room in Fidonet Nodelist for IP's. In this Authors
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opinion Damn right. There should have been some adaptation
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officially about 7 years ago. There was a time where Fidonet
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system operators were on the cutting edge. Today some of you
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are finally waking up and getting on the band wagon... But most
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FIDONEWS 15-48 Page 3 30 Nov 1998
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of you want to cry that your user base has dried up and moved
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on. Get a grip and start showing the world we have what it
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takes to put Fidonet back on the map. If not put it back on the
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map but at least move the technology into the 90's instead of
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staying in the 80's
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It's kinda funny in a sense I was laughed at back in 1992 for
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setting up one of the very first Internet e-mail capable
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BBS systems. Sysops laughed and said, what do you need that
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for. Well who is laughing now.
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I was pushing for IP integration back in 95 and for the most
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part it was like talking to a brick wall. Well I am very very
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happy that the new innovators in Zone 2 are actually pushing
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the boundaries so that they can force the rest of you into
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actually implementing something useful.
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What is comical is that I hear many of you crying that your
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BBS systems are not getting callers anymore. No Shit sherlock
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they are all connecting to the 1000 or less BBS systems that
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are fully connected to the Internet. I never had 7000 logins
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in one day when we had 16 dial in lines going. Move your
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systems to the Net and take away some of my volume.
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Connectivity is getting cheaper and with services like
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www.dynip.com who update your dns records on the fly when you
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don't own a static IP the cost to put your BBS on the Net
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is no more than a upgraded Internet account and a dedicated
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phone line.
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But so far as what the real wizards over in Zone 2 are doing
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I would hope that those of you spending your days squabbling
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about who is the biggest and baddest and who has power and
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who doesn't will wake up and take notice and move this hobby
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forward once again.
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I get mad like everyone else when people try to push there
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personal agendas and not help one another and move this
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network forward. But it will be like the past a few early
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adopters will move on Zone 2's innovation and then the rest of
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you will wake up one morning and play catch up..
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If your crying that your poor old 286 single line dial up system
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is gonna break because they modified the nodelist well I guess we
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will have to come up with 2 Nodelist after all it isn't that BIG
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and I am sure it would not be real difficult rig a conversion
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program.
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It is time for some real new Fidonet leadership and I mean real
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new leadership most of the so called leaders are either burned
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out or they still are listening to Disco.
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Lastly I want to tell you the real reason Zone 1 has not adapted
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Fidonet over IP it is because it would put a few subscription
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echomail feeds out of business. BTW I have already set about
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25 of you up for free feeds an am re-feeding you. I have plenty
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FIDONEWS 15-48 Page 4 30 Nov 1998
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of bandwidth for about a 1000 more so If any of you need a free
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full Fidonet echomail/filebone and netmail feed drop me a line
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at the contact at the bottom and I will be happy to save you
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some of you hard earned cash each month that you can put
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towards putting your BBS on the Internet
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Todd Cochrane
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BBS Networks & Hafa Adai Exchange
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1:345/0
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www.bbsnets.com
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cochrane@bbsnets.com
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BBS Networks & Hafa Adai Exchange
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http://www.bbsnets.com/ World's Largest Interactive BBS
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Todd Cochrane Honolulu Hi cochrane@bbsnets.com
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Announcing the newly backboned MP3 echo!
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A new echo has been established for discussion of the popular internet
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music distribution file format of MP3. It is an open-ended echo for
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discussion of just about anything related to the MP3, including the
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political aspects and the legal aspects of the file format. I, the
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moderator (Steve Steffler, 1:17/667.3) encourage all sysops reading to
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hook into this sure-to-be interesting echo from their nearest backbone
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feed. I'm not great at advertising, so below I'll include the ELIST
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entry, and you can come check it out for yourself.
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MP3
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International MP3 Discussion Forum
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This echo is for news, discussion and information pertaining
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to the high quality digital music format that is sweeping
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the world, MPEG I Layer III (or MP3). This echo is gatewayed
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into e-mail mailing list format as well. Put "SUBSCRIBE
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MP3" in an email to listserv@gen.lcrnet.org to add yourself
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to the discussion.
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Status: Active
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Origin: 1:17/667.3 Group:
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Distribution:
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Gateways: mailing list, see description
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Language:
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# Nodes: N/A Volume: 433/mo Rules:
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Flags: <Real Names Only>
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Notes: /REA
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Moderators: steve steffler, 1:17/667.3, steve@gen.lcrnet.org
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Last changed: 9-Nov-98 by steve.steffler@gen.lcrnet.org,
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1:261/1550,
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steve.steffler@gen.lcrnet.org (steve steffler)
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email: generica@antisocial.com web: http://listen.to/equatorial
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icq: 2690054
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"I dress for success, but success is not impressed." - Poster Children
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FIDONEWS 15-48 Page 5 30 Nov 1998
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NOTICES
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Future History
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1 Dec 1998
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Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
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Tom Jennings.
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16 Feb 1999
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13th Anniversary of the introduction of EchoMail by Jeff Rush.
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12 May 1999
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12th Anniversary of Fido Operations in Zone 4;
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10th Anniversary of the creation of FidoNet Zone 4.
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24 Jul 1999
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XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].
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9 Jun 1999
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Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07.
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10 Sep 1999
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10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.
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26 Oct 1999
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Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.
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31 Dec 1999
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Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.
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1 Jan 2000
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The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.
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1 Jun 2000
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EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.
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15 Sep 2000
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Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.
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21 Sep 2000
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10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR)
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1 Jan 2001
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This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.
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-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
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Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.
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FIDONEWS 15-48 Page 6 30 Nov 1998
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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
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FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.
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FidoNet:
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Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
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FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
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http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII]
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WWW sources http://travel.to/fidonet/
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FTSC page http://www.goldware.dk/ftsc
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Echomail [pending]
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WebRing http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html [TFN]
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General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
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http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti
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List servers:
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http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/fidonet-discussion
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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
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Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
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Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
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Region 13:
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Net 264: http://www.net264.org
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Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
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Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/
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Region 19: http://www.compconn.net/r19
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Zone 1 Elist http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/
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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
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ZEC2:
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Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/
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Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
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Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)
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Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
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Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German)
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Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/
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Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
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REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
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Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
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Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
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Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
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Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
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Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
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REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr
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Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
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Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
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Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
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Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
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Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl
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Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
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Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
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Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
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Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
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Net 5073: http://people.weekend.ru/soa/ (Russian)
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Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org
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Zone 4:
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Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet
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Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio
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Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)
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Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm
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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
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Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (Chinese)
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Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
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and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If
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FIDONEWS 15-48 Page 8 30 Nov 1998
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no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
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that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages
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should list access points to all Networks within the Region.
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TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
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to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.
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-----------oOo-------------
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Fidonet Via Internet Hubs
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Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
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-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+-----------
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1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
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1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
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1:124/7008 | Ben Hamilton |FTP,VMoT,F2I,UUE| 64k | $10/$20mo.
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1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20
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1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo.
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1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | F2I | ??? | $2mo.
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1:275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE,F2I | 28.8 | $10/yr.
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1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
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1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn
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1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $1mo.
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1:2424/3121| Earl Clark | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo.
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1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VFOS | 33.6 | $15yr.
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1:345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c
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1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo.
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1:342/1022 | Steve Steffler | UUE,F2I | 33.6 | n/c
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1:3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
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1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $15mo.
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2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c
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2:33/505 | Mario Mure | VMoT,UUE | 64k | n/c
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2:335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
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2:2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
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2:2490/5170| Lenny Murphy | F2I | ??? | n/c
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5:7104/2 | Henk Wolsink | FTP | 28.8 | n/c
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--
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+ VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
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+ F2I = Fido2Int (W95)
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+ UUE = uuencode<->email packet transfers
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compiled by C. Ingersoll, 1:2623/71, (609)814-1978, fbn@dandy.net
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Posted on the 1st of every month in FN_SYSOP, R13SYSOP and Fidonews.
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! Origin: * Fly By Night * (609)814-1978 *(1:2623/71)
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FIDONEWS INFORMATION
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------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION -------
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Editor: Henk Wolsink
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Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
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Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell,
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Donald Tees, Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg
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"FidoNews Editor"
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FidoNet 5:5/23
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BBS +27-41-515-913, 2400/9600/V.34/V.90
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more addresses:
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Henk Wolsink -- 5:7104/2, hwolsink@catpe.alt.za
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(Postal Service mailing address)
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FidoNews Editor
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P.O. Box 12325
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Port Elizabeth,
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6006
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South Africa
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FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET
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INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation
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of individual articles contributed by their authors or their
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authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation
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does not diminish the rights of the authors. OPINIONS EXPRESSED in
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