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F I D O N E W S -- Vol.11 No.26 (27-Jun-1994)
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| A newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 |
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| FidoNet BBS community | Published by: |
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| / \ | "FidoNews" BBS |
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| /|oo \ | +1-519-570-4176 1:1/23 |
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| _`@/_ \ _ | Editors: |
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| | | \ \\ | Donald Tees 1:221/192 |
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| | (*) | \ )) | Sylvia Maxwell 1:221/194 |
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| |__U__| / \// | Tim Pozar 1:125/555 |
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| (_/(_|(____/ | |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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| Submission address: editors 1:1/23 |
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| Internet addresses: |
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| Sylvia -- max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| Donald -- donald@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| Tim -- pozar@kumr.lns.com |
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| Both Don & Sylvia (submission address) |
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| editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| For information, copyrights, article submissions, |
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| obtaining copies and other boring but important details, |
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| please refer to the end of this file. |
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Table of Contents
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1. Editorial..................................................... 2
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2. Articles...................................................... 3
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Cat Torture: Well deserved, too............................. 3
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Endorsment of Illegal Activites?............................ 4
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Publishing of Cat_torture................................... 5
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US Vs. The Governmet........................................ 5
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CAT_TORTURE................................................. 6
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Subject: FidoNews........................................... 8
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Region 13 Election Proposal Delayed......................... 8
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ONE TIT..................................................... 14
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Just an idea about this NodeList............................ 19
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Reply to article in FidoNews 11-24.......................... 22
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Nodelist.................................................... 23
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Welfare Reform and Where To Discuss It...................... 25
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FidoNet LAW Echo Moderator Makes News!...................... 26
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ECSTASY now available from 1:163/328........................ 28
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CORELDRAW now available from 1:163/328...................... 29
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Wholly_Bible, To whom does it belong?....................... 29
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Darling Madam EMilia........................................ 30
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FidoNews 11-26 Page: 2 27 Jun 1994
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1984 tee shirt.............................................. 31
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3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 33
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Editorial
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Of all the problems in Fidonet, I think that the policy four
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section on geographic areas is the biggest. While it makes sense to
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organize so that as many calls as possible are local, the
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insistance on such a thing makes little sense.
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First of all, such an organization is going to be the norm
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by the simple virtue of being the cheapest. Where it is not the
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cheapest, then there is no reason for it.
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Secondly, the geographic organization is used far too often
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for political grandstanding and control. In the past two years
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we have had major disruptions in Britain and in Germany. Both
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have been excessively annoying to hundreds of sysops, and both
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can be directly attributed to an elite attempting to use a
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geographic rule against the wishes of a large group. The same
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sort of bickering and political infighting takes place on a
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smaller scale daily, all over fidonet.
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I would wager that an extremely high percentage of all
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policy complaints (read annoyances) are caused by sysops using
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that policy section to attempt to claim control over particular
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BBS's as "theirs", meaning that the sysop must join "their" net
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and abide by "their" rules. It never seems to occur to the
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complainers that each BBS belongs to the sysop, not to the net,
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not to the RC, not to the CRP, not to anybody but the person
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that runs it.
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Lastly, the rule serves as a monopoly rule for poorly run
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nets. I received a phone call this morning from a sysop that
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has being attempting to join Fidonet for four months. The RC
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of the local net has not responded for two months. Nobody else is
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allowed to start a net in the area, even though there are some
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twenty of them running as a private net that cannot get access
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to fidonet. The net that has control of Fidonet in the area
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consists of seven nodes.
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Every week I hear complaints about the power of the phone
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companies, and the evils of monopolies. It is about time that
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we stopped doing the same thing in Fidonet.
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FidoNews 11-26 Page: 3 27 Jun 1994
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Articles
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Cat Torture: Well deserved, too
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Fredric L. Rice, The Skeptic Tank
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1-818-335-9601
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Michael Johnson (1:106/3323) in Fido1125.NWS has let the cat out of
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the bag. Though he didn't clearly state the _reasons_ for the well
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deserved distaste for -- as he puts it, "those of the feline
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persuasion" -- quite simply, he wasn't authorized to do so. I, on
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the other hand, aftering reporting his having made CAT_TORTURE known
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publically to Control, have been granted the authority to offer some
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of the "de-tails" of The Furred Alien Destroyers (FADs) among us.
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They came to Earth over 4,000 years ago and began their bloody
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experiments. Though Humans originally slaughtered and ate them where
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ever they tried to hide, they clevery tied the planet together with
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their telepathic machine network -- PURRM: People-Usurping Role
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Reversal Machine. When it became established that the ancient and
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ignorant humans of those times became enslaved to PURRM then openly
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accepted them into their homes, they started stealing from the Earth
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all of its natural resources.
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Chief among their crimes is the stealing, collecting, and the
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transmission of needed solar energy up to their mother ships in orbit.
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Control has learned that there are currently nine such mother ships
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which continue to plague humanity. The shuttle missions as yet have
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been unable to place an agent on board any of the ships with any
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success and NASA, along with JPL, have been keeping secret the number
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of astronaught Control agents which have been boosted into orbit never
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to return. What happened to them? No one knows. Oh the inhuman
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monsters!
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As Michael Johnson points out:
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"We need to get on the backbone so that we can share
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our tips and hints with all of the other cat-o-phobes
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and start making this a great nation like it was
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intended. People point their fingers at the liberals
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and demorats and accuse them of bringing this country
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down, but I happen to know that it is those darn cats."
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It gets much worse. The rise of religious fascism the world around
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is caused by The Furred Alien Destroyers and their evil experiments.(1)
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The underlaying free-flowing stress caused by PURRM over the centuries
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causes unidentifiable irritations which lead to intolerance. Only
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by slaughtering all cats everywhere will Humanity ever be safe! Few
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know the real reason for flouride being introduced into the world's
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water supply: Control has learned that flouride acts as a powerful
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conductor to Zeta-rays! The consequences of this immutable fact
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should be clear: The World Health Organization is entirely controlled
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by cats!
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FidoNews 11-26 Page: 4 27 Jun 1994
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Scientists at the Superconducting Kitty-Colliders at CERN, working
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closely with Control, have managed to unlock some of the mysteries of
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cat physiology. The drape and curtain shredding these fiends exhibit
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is a blatant attempt to let the sun light into the house so that they
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may bathe in the electromagnetic gluon flux stream. Their unholy
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bodies convert these photons into hellish Zeta-rays, used to power
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their hidden PURRM network and feed their mother ships.
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Join CAT_TORTURE. Link in today! Help us save Earth. Help us rid
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the universe of this infestation. The first 13 SysOps which link
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in will comprise the newest Control cell so call 1:106/3323 now!
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This is __NOT__ a joke!!! Act NOW to save yourself!!!
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-=-
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(1) Case in point:
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"Anyone who is not a true Christian, is by default, Satanic."
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- Steve Winter
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Endorsment of Illegal Activites?
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Ronnie Toth (1:135/71)
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Msg#: 4 Date: 22 Jun 94 15:10:13
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From: Ronnie Toth
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To: Dan Buda
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Subj: Illegality question
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Hi!
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DB> A friendly note pointing out the discrepancy, "may" be appropriate,
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DB> but remember that the moderator is in charge of the echo and
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DB> whatever they decide pretty much goes, as long as it is not illegal.
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Referencing FidoNews, Vol.11, No.25, June 20, 1994, I wonder if such an
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echo as described in the "Cat Torture" article which begins on page 3,
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endorses illegality in FidoNet.
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What do you and others say about this? Would such an echo be considered
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legal? I believe there are laws on the books of every state in the U.S.
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that say something about this.
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If this was posted in jest, it certainly did not come across as such and
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should be clarified.
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Ronnie
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FidoNews 11-26 Page: 5 27 Jun 1994
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Publishing of Cat_torture
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Dia Spriggs (1:135/68)
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I must protest the publishing of Cat_Torture in the fidonews. WIth
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all the echos that are good, decent and trying to do something to
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improve life in any form you must advertise that something like
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this actually exists?
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Even in an off hand humorous fashion this is offensive and to waste
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time to cater to any kind of cruelty is insane and far below any
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standard I thought was trying to be upheld by Fidonet.
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I wonder how funny and how much attention would I receive if I said
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that I hated children and I was starting and echo on how to abuse
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them...how to molest them...kidnap them...torture them....would you
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find this newsworthy ? Would you find it amusing? Since the
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standards for echos seems to have fallen into the pits I see no
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reason for such an echo to exist. Better yet I think an echo on all
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kinds of ways to torture and kill abusers of any kinds...animal or
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human would be VERY appropriate. There are enough sick people in
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the world without giving them ideas on how to torture and maim
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little creatures.
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I, for one after spending years trying to stop animal abuse in any
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form and lately starting echos to help the human animals improve
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their lives am appalled and highly offended that you would even
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consider giving such an echo space and consideration.
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US Vs. The Governmet
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RICK LITHGOW (1:2601/574)
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Hey Editor
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I'll tell ya something, twix the Local, State, & Federal
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Governments and Al Gore's speech on the "National Communications
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Infrastructure", never has the government been so ludicrous! (Well
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except maybe the McCarthy era) Things are going too far with the
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government trying to control everything from BBS's to the entire
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computing industry! First Al Gore yap's off about the internet
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(which is been around for well over a decade), and in pop's the
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government trying ot promote clipper and throw poor Phil Zimmerman
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in jail. (Phil is the author of PGP encryption). Scares all of
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FIDO and other net's into not allowing encryption because of possible
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illegal traffic. Then all the crackdown's and press on porno bbs's.
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Rumor's about this and that and you'll goto jail for harrassing this
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person or showing a .GIF to that person. Well now here's a goodie
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from the Washington State government..
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"NEW SECTION. Sec. 706(1)"
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A license is required for the commercial use of virtual-reality
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FidoNews 11-26 Page: 6 27 Jun 1994
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technology for entertainment or purposes other than bona fide
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education, training, research, and developement"
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Where VR is defined as "NEW SECTION Sec. 702(4) 'Virtual Reality'
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means any computer or other electronic technology that creates an
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enhanced illusion of three-dimensional, real-time interactive
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reality through the use of software, specialized hardware, holograms,
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gloves, masks, glasses, computer gun's, or other item's inducing audio,
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visual, and sensory effects of versimilitude beyond those available
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with a personal computer."
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The bill is being pushed by Senator Phil (I really don't squat about c
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omputers) Talmadge.
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What are with these loons in the government?? First they've been
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trying to take away our 1st ammendment rights, then our privacy,
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then talk of regulating our hobby, now they're trying to stiffle
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the computer industry into stagnation. How long are we going to
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take this lying down? What is it gonna take for people like you and
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me to stand up to these goobs? If we don't we're going to loose
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what little freedom is left in this country and it will no longer
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be a democracy, it will be "He who has the most money wins". Geez
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people, write your congressman, write a senator, write the
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president, but do something to prevent law's like the clipper chip
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becoming mandatory and programs like PGP to become outlawed, stop
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the regulating of the computer communication industry, otherwise
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one day you may turn on your monitor and be looking at the picture
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of a federal agent because of a stupid or little known of law that
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you didn't want to stand up for....
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Sorry 'bout the blathering, but I wrote it in the heat of
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annoyance(grin).
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Regards
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Rick Lithgow
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* WCE 1.5/2295 * People who shouldn't breed...Next on Geraldo!...
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CAT_TORTURE
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Michael Johnson (1:106/3323)
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Well, since last week I have had several replies to my
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solicitation for those who shared my affinity for discussing
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innovative ways to make felines miserable. I have also recorded
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several death threats, one offer of sexual abuse of a most unusual
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sort and a most silly fool who is probably the most gullible dummy
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in FIDOnet. (I'll let you decide) I suppose it is time to reveal to
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those persons who express cranial density beyond Uranium235 that
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CAT_TORTURE is a hoax of minor magnitude. I understand your need to
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preserve your little fluffy and all of their brother and sister
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felines who remain oppressed in the world today.....I even
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understand the threats of violence and the death threats. In fact,
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I sorta liked the death threats because they weren't the usual "I
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FidoNews 11-26 Page: 7 27 Jun 1994
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am gonna blow your head off" type of threats...nooooo these were
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creative death threats involving kitchen utensils, sporting goods
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items and one who had a decided fixation on Italian sausage.....but
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this one guy was ominous and self-important, with all the trappings
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of a CIA agent he barged into my bbs and said.........
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Area Netmail, Msg#99, Jun-20-94 22:24:00
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From: Michael Oujesky (1:124/5117.2)
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To: Michael Johnson (1:106/3323)
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Subject: Fair warning
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Just saw your article in FidoNews and thought I'd drop a note on
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your proposed echo.
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As soon as I see that is in distribution within nets 124 or 130, I
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intend to persue measures against whoever necessary for supporting
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cruelty to animals.
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"Supporting" cruelty to animals?
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha......
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This guy should take a pill and then spike a tree.
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Guess I had better turn in my guns and go on about
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peacefully plowing the land and give up this nonsense of supporting
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cruelty to animals. Too bad, it was an idea whose time had
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come....if the response I got from you guys in PITBULL_TRAINER was
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anything to gauge by. To the fellah who offered to have cats
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inserted into his anus....yer on yer own guy. I'm not condemning,
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just refusing to participate.
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Interestingly, the only sane letter that had a modicum of
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humour it it was posted by our own Sylvia, who is a definite cat
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person. SYlvia, because your cat is Canadian I can see no threat to
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the USA at this time if it is allowed to live....as long as you
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keep it in Canada and don't allow it to stray into one of our
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border towns where it might incite our cats to riot or possibly
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worse.
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The rest of you know who you are and you (most of you) should
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be totally ashamed of yourselves. The level of netmail flaming was
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terrible and honestly, I can get better flames from one test
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message in internet in a well chosen group. Is FIDO going downhill?
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Have we been invaded by dweebs? Are we doomed to eternal
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seriousity? Have we lost our edge after all of these years?
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Maybe.....maybe not
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Actually, who cares?
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Well, besides Oujesky.....
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FidoNews 11-26 Page: 8 27 Jun 1994
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Subject: FidoNews
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Lee Lefler (1:280/5)
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Over the years I have read quite a few articles in FidoNews.
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I have browsed just about every issue that was published since I
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originally joined the net in '89. There have been many good
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articles; we've had our share of stupid and silly ones as well. But
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the one in issue 1125 announcing a new echo called 'Cat Torture' is
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just plain sick. I can understand that you don't want to censor
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articles that are sent to you, but in essence by advertising this
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echo you promoting animal abuse. I doubt you would think twice
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about sending an ad for an echo called 'Gang Rape' to the bit
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bucket, so where does FidoNews draw the line on decency?
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Region 13 Election Proposal Delayed
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REGION 13 COORDINATOR DELAYS ELECTION PROCEDURE PROPOSAL
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By Alan Boritz - 1:2605/102
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Democracy has been a long time coming to Region 13, but it looks
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now that it won't be coming our way for a while. Although
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elections for *C positions was a hot topic during R13C Michael
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Walsh's campaign last year, and he promised to get moving on the
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project, it seems that he's now gone back on his promise and won't
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move the election proposal any further.
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On January 12, Walsh stated in the REGION13 conference, "It got
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quiet because of the holidays. You'll see the bit on elections
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first, and shortly."
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Then on March 14, Walsh stated, "Please review the proposal and
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make any suggestions you want... I want to get this puppy off the
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ground."
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But now it seems that he's but this project on the "back-burner,"
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as he stated on June 11, "When the time comes. I said that we'd
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have one, and we will. I never said it would be at a specific
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time...I'm not going to answer any more questions of this nature
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here. I'm far more interested in finishing my current project
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before getting into another one, and once I have, we'll get back to
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it."
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It seems rather convenient to delay an election proposal,
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especially in light of the wide-spread dissatisfaction with Miles
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Hoover's "regional echo hub" activities. And many of us in Region
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13 who have been here long enough have had enough of Hoover's and
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(former R13C) Bill Andrus' phony scam "elections" (the old "a vote
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not received is a vote for whatever I want" routine).
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Sysops in Region 13 have made their desires known, they want an
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election procedure. While we've become accustomed to ignoring
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Michael Walsh's "promises," especially all of the OTHER campaign
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promises he hasn't kept, it's important that we continue to
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FidoNews 11-26 Page: 9 27 Jun 1994
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formalize the election procedure that presumably will be used to
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(at least) select Walsh's successor.
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For the benefit of all those who haven't been given the opportunity
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of reviewing the current Region 13 election proposal, here it is,
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as presented by R13C on March 18, 1994, reformatted slightly for
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Fidonews:
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Region 13 Election Policy Proposal Revision 1.03
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February 21, 1994
|
||
|
||
Written in committee by Michael Walsh, R13C, with the assistance
|
||
and input of Phillip Dampier, Howie Ducat and Bill Fisch
|
||
|
||
Changes suggested by various members of the region and incorporated
|
||
|
||
This proposal is presented to the membership of Region 13 for
|
||
debate and modification as is deemed appropriate, and will be
|
||
balloted upon in its final form. If adopted, it will become the
|
||
first part of a region-wide operations policy.
|
||
|
||
For the purposes of balloting on this proposal, when that time
|
||
comes, a member of the region will be selected to serve as the
|
||
vote-counter. The person selected will not be a coordinator at any
|
||
level in order to ensure impartiality.
|
||
|
||
50%+1 of the ballots received will be necessary to adopt this
|
||
proposal.
|
||
|
||
--Michael Walsh, R13C
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
I. The Election Moderator
|
||
|
||
A. The moderator is appointed by the RC at the beginning of
|
||
his/her term, and must be confirmed by a vote of the NCs of
|
||
the region. Discussion on the appointment will take place
|
||
for one week in the NCRC13 echo, after which a netmail
|
||
ballot to confirm or reject the appointee is held, using the
|
||
procedure outlined later in this document. The RC will
|
||
count the votes and post the results in the NCRC13 echo, and
|
||
if 50%+1 vote in favor of the appointee, this person is
|
||
confirmed. NCs are expected to solicit the opinions of the
|
||
members of their respective networks when casting their
|
||
ballot, casting their ballot in accordance with the majority
|
||
view in their respective networks.
|
||
|
||
B. The election moderator has complete control over the
|
||
electoral process and validates all candidates' nominations,
|
||
counts all votes and announces the results. The election
|
||
moderator may appoint an assistant with the approval of all
|
||
nominated candidates at the end of the nomination process,
|
||
whose job will be to assist in counting votes.
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 10 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
C. In order to easily identify the election moderator to
|
||
members of the region, s/he will receive the nodelist
|
||
designation of 1:13/2, and will be added to the segment upon
|
||
confirmation.
|
||
|
||
D. The election moderator serves in the appointed position for
|
||
the entire term of the sitting RC, but may be replaced by
|
||
the RC if needs be by this same process.
|
||
|
||
II. Election Details
|
||
|
||
A. Schedule: all schedules start at 00:01 hours and end at
|
||
24:00 hours
|
||
|
||
1. Announcement of the election: October 1st through October
|
||
7th
|
||
|
||
a. Made in the REGION13 echo by the election moderator so
|
||
that everyone in the region can participate, and in
|
||
netmail to each of the NCs in the region with
|
||
instructions to repost the announcement in their local
|
||
administrative echomail areas, or to forward it in
|
||
netmail to any nodes not receiving them. An
|
||
announcement is also made in FidoNews by the election
|
||
moderator.
|
||
|
||
b. Describes what position will be elected, whether RC or
|
||
REC
|
||
|
||
c. Is done three times in a one-week period in REGION13;
|
||
the netmail notification is done once, as is the
|
||
FidoNews announcement.
|
||
|
||
2. Declarations of Candidacy: October 8th through October
|
||
21st
|
||
|
||
a. Any member of the region may declare candidacy
|
||
|
||
b. Two weeks are allowed for such declarations
|
||
|
||
c. All declarations must be done in the REGION13 echo,
|
||
which will be used for all election-related business
|
||
|
||
d. The message header/timestamp will be used to determine
|
||
whether a declaration was received on time, but no more
|
||
than two days after the end of the declaration period.
|
||
|
||
3. Questions to the Candidates: October 22nd through
|
||
November 11th
|
||
|
||
a. The candidates will state, briefly, their platforms in
|
||
the REGION13 echomail area
|
||
|
||
b. Members of the region may question the candidates on
|
||
any issues that they may feel are important to them or
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 11 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
the region
|
||
|
||
c. Debate between candidates should be limited; it is the
|
||
membership that must be answered, and the election
|
||
moderator may halt debate at any time if it is clear
|
||
that the membership is not benefiting from the debate.
|
||
This does not apply to clarification of position; i.e.,
|
||
if a candidate states a position and it isn't clear,
|
||
any other candidate may request clarification and
|
||
present their position. This is not intended to
|
||
prevent opposing points of view from being discussed,
|
||
but rather is intended to prevent the candidates from
|
||
focusing on each other and ignoring the members of the
|
||
region.
|
||
|
||
d. Three weeks are allowed for questions and answers
|
||
|
||
4. Vote: November 12th through November 18th
|
||
One week is allowed for all members of the region to vote
|
||
|
||
5. Announcement of the results: within three days of the end
|
||
of the vote, or by November 21st
|
||
|
||
6. Elections are held once every two years for each of the
|
||
RC and REC positions. The elections are staggered, such
|
||
that in one calendar year an RC election will be held,
|
||
and the next calendar year an REC election will be held.
|
||
The purpose of this is to maintain continuity in the
|
||
operation of the region.
|
||
|
||
B. Recall Elections
|
||
|
||
1. Recalls are started by a referendum, in which 20% of the
|
||
NCs of the region request the recall election; this
|
||
request for a recall must be filed with the election
|
||
moderator. In order to allow for each member of the
|
||
region to have a voice in the recall process, any NC who
|
||
receives requests from 10% of their network to recall a
|
||
*C shall make such a request for a recall election.
|
||
|
||
2. The recall election is held as a regular election would
|
||
be, with the sitting *C running as a candidate while
|
||
still in office.
|
||
|
||
3. A recall election does not upset the regular schedule of
|
||
elections; if a recall election is held, and results in
|
||
the replacement of a *C, that replacement will only serve
|
||
until the next regularly scheduled election at which time
|
||
s/he may run as a candidate if nominated.
|
||
|
||
III. Voting Procedure
|
||
|
||
A. Each nodelisted operator is entitled to one vote; if more
|
||
than one person shares responsibility for a system, and also
|
||
share a nodelist entry, then only one vote is allowed
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 12 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
between them.
|
||
|
||
B. Votes are counted only when sent by netmail, and when sent
|
||
by the nodelisted operator to the election moderator. Voice
|
||
votes or proxy votes are NOT COUNTED. Votes must be
|
||
addressed to 1:13/2.
|
||
|
||
C. Votes should be sent DIRECT to avoid the possibility of
|
||
tampering, but in recognition of the fact that not all
|
||
members of the region are able/willing to make a
|
||
long-distance call to deliver their vote, it may be routed.
|
||
Votes which are routed are not guaranteed to be delivered,
|
||
and as such, no responsibility can be placed on the
|
||
person(s) who may route such mail.
|
||
|
||
D. Each vote must contain:
|
||
|
||
1. The name and node address of the operator casting the
|
||
vote,
|
||
|
||
2. The vote itself,
|
||
|
||
3. A password to be used in announcing and validating the
|
||
vote.
|
||
|
||
E. The election moderator will tally and summarize the votes,
|
||
listing each vote by password in the announcement, i.e. if
|
||
John Doe and Jane Doe are candidates, the announcement of
|
||
the results would look like this:
|
||
|
||
John Doe Jane Doe
|
||
-------------------- --------------------
|
||
Beeswax Whatchamacallit
|
||
Zaphod Zoos
|
||
Viper Kitchen
|
||
Wrangler
|
||
Hunter
|
||
-------------------- --------------------
|
||
3 votes (37.5%) 5 votes (62.5%)
|
||
|
||
A second announcement will follow this, listing in numerical
|
||
order, all node addresses from which a vote was received and
|
||
counted. These two messages will serve as the record of vote,
|
||
and by the nature of their content, will allow all members of
|
||
the region to see that their votes were counted and counted
|
||
correctly while maintaining the confidentiality of the votes.
|
||
|
||
F. A candidate must receive 50%+1 of the votes in order to be
|
||
elected. If four candidates are running, and the vote is:
|
||
|
||
A: 91 votes B: 37 votes C: 69 votes D: 12 votes
|
||
|
||
Candidates "A" and "C" will face each other in a runoff to
|
||
determine the winner of the election. A runoff election is
|
||
held between the two candidates receiving the most votes, and
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 13 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
is handled as described above except:
|
||
|
||
1. One week for further questions to the remaining
|
||
candidates, not three, and
|
||
|
||
2. All results from the general election are discarded and a
|
||
new ballot is taken, with the results of the new ballot
|
||
alone being counted.
|
||
|
||
G. If the election results in a tie, the ZC will choose the RC
|
||
from the candidates.
|
||
|
||
H. The elected person will take office one week following the
|
||
announcement of the results, and in the case of the RC
|
||
election, with the approval of the ZC (in recognition of
|
||
FidoNet Policy.) The outgoing coordinator will make
|
||
available all materials necessary to ensure a smooth
|
||
transition, and will support the coordinator-elect for as
|
||
long as is possible or needed.
|
||
|
||
IV. Dispute Resolution
|
||
|
||
A. Any dispute must be filed, in netmail, to the election
|
||
moderator within the one week time frame before the electee
|
||
takes office. This dispute should be carbon-copied to at
|
||
least two other members of the region to ensure fairness and
|
||
action on the part of the election moderator.
|
||
|
||
B. The election moderator will announce the dispute, and
|
||
request a Judge of Elections be named. The Judge of
|
||
Elections will be the ZC, or if s/he is unavailable, another
|
||
region's RC or a member of the region acceptable to all of
|
||
the candidates.
|
||
|
||
C. The Judge of Elections will receive from the election
|
||
moderator all votes cast, without the summaries.
|
||
|
||
D. The Judge of Elections will recount the votes and create a
|
||
new summary which will be forwarded to the election
|
||
moderator and posted accordingly. This will be the final
|
||
count in cases of dispute.
|
||
|
||
V. Amendments to Election Policy
|
||
|
||
A. Any member of the region may propose an amendment to this
|
||
election policy, but no amendment may be proposed during an
|
||
election.
|
||
|
||
B. Such a proposal must be sent to the RC and the election
|
||
moderator. The RC will cause it to be distributed to all
|
||
NCs in the region, and direct that the NCs distribute it to
|
||
all members of the region.
|
||
|
||
C. Debate on any amendment will be held in the REGION13 echo.
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 14 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
D. The process for voting on the amendment will be as follows:
|
||
|
||
1. The proposal will require 50%+1 of the votes to be
|
||
adopted
|
||
|
||
2. The votes will be counted as in a regular election, with
|
||
the results posted similarly
|
||
|
||
3. The time frame for debate is open, but voting will still
|
||
take place in one week's time
|
||
|
||
4. The election moderator will schedule the vote at least
|
||
one week in advance to allow all members of the region to
|
||
have time to consider their vote
|
||
|
||
5. The vote can be forced to occur by referendum of the NCs;
|
||
if 20% of the NCs request the vote to be scheduled, the
|
||
election moderator must schedule the vote
|
||
|
||
VI. Continuity and Successive Administrations
|
||
|
||
It is recommended to the members of the region that any
|
||
candidates who may run for the RC position be clearly asked to
|
||
abide the terms and conditions of approved regional policy, such
|
||
that no future RC may throw out policy to suit his/her whim. If
|
||
a candidate does not clearly state that they will abide the terms
|
||
and conditions of approved regional policy, you are advised that
|
||
you should cast your vote in favor of a candidate who will abide
|
||
it so that it can be maintained in perpetuity for the benefit of
|
||
the members of the region.
|
||
|
||
-##-
|
||
|
||
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
POLICY 33.5 - THE FINAL INSULT
|
||
Charles Herriot (1:163/110)
|
||
(this had to be done, Doc, now where's my Ibogaine?)
|
||
|
||
1. TITLE: (amateur policymongers probably don't realize the
|
||
importance of leading off with at least one "tit"... capture
|
||
their imaginations and their hearts and minds will follow)
|
||
|
||
The title of this document shall be:
|
||
|
||
"Policy 33.5 - The Final Insult,
|
||
|
||
otherwise known as:
|
||
|
||
"Mom! Mom! He/she dissed me and I'm gonna whump his/her
|
||
sorry ass with this policy document until he/she either
|
||
apologizes or else gets locked in a room and forced to
|
||
listen to John Denver singin' 'Rocky Mountain High' until
|
||
her/his ears bleed."
|
||
|
||
2. PURPOSE: The purpose of this policy is to create more
|
||
policy. The Region has recognized quite clearly that if more
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 15 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
policy were created then, incredibly, we'd have more policy.
|
||
If we had more policy, then we would definitely need even
|
||
more of it to expand upon the previously created policy.
|
||
Hell, in no time at all, this policy stuff would be breeding
|
||
on its own and provide sustenance to unemployed cod
|
||
fisherman.
|
||
|
||
3. DEFINITIONS:
|
||
|
||
AcetyleneMail: The polite staple of inter-sysop
|
||
communication which must include, at a minimum, at least one
|
||
demand that the recipient engage in an act of
|
||
self-replicating his/herself. It is entirely appropriate to
|
||
substitute the preceding with a suggestion to the recipient
|
||
that they engage in an act of procreation with anyone having
|
||
the surname: "Off."
|
||
|
||
Cod: Humiliated trout. Not to be confused with the
|
||
traditionally refrain of grunt sysops to *C-beings which
|
||
loosely paraphrases into: "Who named you Cod?"
|
||
|
||
Beer: The official sysop monetary unit. Debts can be
|
||
satisfied upon payment of these units, and *C-beings are
|
||
obligated to buy grunt sysops copious quantities of this
|
||
particular resource.
|
||
|
||
CRPs: Mistakenly identified as "Cost Recovery Plans", these
|
||
are really guileless attempts to extort money from Grunt
|
||
Sysops. The money is expended on fast women and loose cars.
|
||
|
||
Echomail: A system of distributing the latest gnarly-rad
|
||
path lines, and logoff macros, by "K00L D00DZ" which are
|
||
rivaled by Sea Slugs for their intrinsic wit. Also, any
|
||
quote of the preceding is considered "echomail" and the high
|
||
fibre content helps to improve echomail regularity.
|
||
Humungous amounts of megabytes of this stuff are
|
||
sporadically sent throughout the Region. All of this
|
||
echomail was spawned by one message which was entered in
|
||
1985 and everyone has been quoting the shit out of it ever
|
||
since.
|
||
|
||
Grunt Sysops: A strange infestation which has plagued
|
||
Fidonet for years. No one has figured out what sort of toxic
|
||
spray would be effective in eliminating them. The freshly
|
||
hatched sysop-beings, shortly before mastering the basic
|
||
skills of mailers and echomail distribution, plaster
|
||
messages all over the known universe announcing yet another
|
||
new net.. one that promises some feature so outstanding that
|
||
it probably isn't replicated in more than 500 of the
|
||
existing 600 Fidonet echomail areas.
|
||
|
||
Hubs: Dwarf-like creatures who live in tinfoil lined,
|
||
darkened caves, where their multi-node, Lan-based, 69
|
||
gazillion baud modems, poot forth echomail. Hubs are
|
||
recognizable from the fact that their plastic pocket pen
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 16 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
protector mounted pagers beep whenever they receive an
|
||
inbound mail packet. Hubs secretly dream about bringing the
|
||
entire Sports Illustrated Swimsuit modeling group to gaze at
|
||
the diode arrays winking from every corner of their
|
||
kleenex-piled rooms.
|
||
|
||
NECs: Pituitary challenged Hubs who can often run a mailer
|
||
for almost a whole day without having the system crash. NECs
|
||
spend hours explaining batch files to bored and miserable
|
||
people everywhere. NECs have LAN work-stations in their
|
||
bathrooms where they do their best work.
|
||
|
||
Nets: Nets are largish containment devices used to bag
|
||
various *Cs who have run amok. These are not to be confused
|
||
with "Network" which is also herein defined.
|
||
|
||
Netwar: An exchange of pleasantries between sysops
|
||
culminating in at least a dozen threats of policy
|
||
complaints, filled diapers, and about 20 megs of brainlessly
|
||
quoted text.
|
||
|
||
Networks: Are collections of nodes who have mastered the
|
||
incredible mentation powers to remember the same sequence of
|
||
digits. Networks are loosely centred on geographic areas
|
||
within easy mortar range of each other.
|
||
|
||
Network Coordinators: (see also "Mazola & Bondage") Network
|
||
Coordinators are selfless individuals who are reluctantly
|
||
railroaded into wearing a large bullseye on their foreheads
|
||
for the amusement of grunt sysops who are bored and have
|
||
already painted the cat.
|
||
|
||
Region: The region shall encompass that area in Canada lying
|
||
to the east of the Manitoba border (unless they lower their
|
||
taxes and sell cheaper beer) and continuing past the welfare
|
||
states in the Atlantic provinces to whichever dead cod
|
||
happen to wash up on the beaches of Sable Island. The Region
|
||
shall also include the Free Republic of Quebec, but only
|
||
insofar as it does not impinge upon their God-given right to
|
||
rant endlessly about their contused and paranoid cultural
|
||
identity.
|
||
|
||
Regional Coordinators: The larval stage of Small Animal
|
||
Psychologists. These beings are to be humoured and indulged
|
||
since their are obligated to buy rounds of beer for all
|
||
sysops at social gatherings. Regional Coordinators can be
|
||
identified by the horrible sucking noises they make while
|
||
applying Vulcan lip-locks to the ZC's nether bits. After
|
||
weeks of sheep and sleep deprivation, these poor souls can
|
||
be spotted, buck naked in the moonlight, howling for more
|
||
policy.
|
||
|
||
Technical Standards: A basepoint for launching into some
|
||
sort of penis-envy type message comparing baud rates, how
|
||
many terrabytes of online GIFS can be shot through the phone
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 17 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
lines, or how some moron has pissed away a small fortune on
|
||
a Pentium chip so that they can display messages at 14
|
||
million times their visual comprehension rate. I mean, let's
|
||
face it, if you happen to have cute blossooms, nobody is
|
||
going to give a damn whether your mailer works... in an
|
||
ideal world, your mail would get hand-delivered.
|
||
|
||
Users: Like, get serious wouldja? Screw 'em if they can't
|
||
take a joke.
|
||
|
||
4. Official Titles:
|
||
|
||
In this Region, a group of sick minds will choose some
|
||
relatively innocent soul and propel the poor sucker into the
|
||
job of Regional Co-ordinator. The Regional Coordinator shall
|
||
have all the powers biologically granted to bread mold, but
|
||
otherwise can be safely ignored.
|
||
|
||
The Region shall be hacked up into small fiefdoms, called
|
||
"Networks" which shall elect mascots, order pizza in bulk
|
||
quantities, and participate in the annual Node Draft to
|
||
choose the players for the upcoming Netwar season. Nets will
|
||
dragoon someone into being the Network Coordinator who will
|
||
be obliged to either undergo spontaneous human combustion
|
||
before a full term is served, or else stand for re-election
|
||
to the particular purgatory for which they are ideally
|
||
maladapted.
|
||
|
||
Network Coordinators will not be surprised to discover that
|
||
they commune directly with either God or if they want to go
|
||
right to the top; to Luke Kolin.
|
||
|
||
Network Coordinators are entitled to screech that "they need
|
||
a really big net." Judging from their post electoral
|
||
behaviour, most grunt sysops would agree with their
|
||
appraisal, and might further suggest a cell of the padded
|
||
variety as well.
|
||
|
||
Any grunt sysop who has stood in the blinding white light of
|
||
their own ego too long is entitled to pile nine or ten
|
||
listings of their own number into the nodelist and appoint
|
||
themselves as Net Coordinator. They will be entitled to
|
||
exhibit multiple-personality disorderly conduct and
|
||
pontificate about "what their net wants." Spray misting
|
||
these lost souls with regular doses of crystal-meth is
|
||
advised.
|
||
|
||
5. Elections: Anyone who actually wants a title in Fidonet
|
||
should be put in a bottle and sent out into the Japanese
|
||
current. If their lives are so incomplete without the fame
|
||
of a Fidonet title, then they should be encouraged to get
|
||
their pictures on milk cartons, but don't elect the poor
|
||
bastards because they'll inflict bad grammar on you until
|
||
you lie in a pool of drool, clutching your "I Adore My 64"
|
||
button, babbling about the good old days when men were men
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 18 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
and sheep were not particular.
|
||
|
||
6. The Netwar Season: The netwar season shall commence
|
||
nanoseconds after the election of each new Regional
|
||
Coordinator. A season can be kick-started to a promising
|
||
beginning by any Regional Coordinator who campaigns on some
|
||
sort of "peace" platform. Like, nudge nudge, wink wink, we
|
||
all *deplore* the fights in hockey games, so we'll be sure
|
||
to take these kind of lame promises just as seriously.
|
||
(snicker)
|
||
|
||
(Incidentally, don't trust any candidate who quotes Arlo
|
||
Guthrie in "Alices Restaraunt" and says "I wanna kill. I
|
||
wanna kill. I mean, I wanna see blood and guts and veins in
|
||
my teeth. I wanna kill. KILL! KILL!" because these are the
|
||
kind of milquetoasts that probably brake for whales and will
|
||
screw up a perfectly good netwar season with their puerile
|
||
sniveling for calm. C'mon, fess up... you tryna tell me that
|
||
you forked out five grand for a BBS system that was just
|
||
gonna bring in the DOGTALK echo?
|
||
|
||
At the beginning of each season, grunt sysops will make
|
||
irrational decisions about who they hate at the moment, and
|
||
will bounce up and down in their cribs, asking to be picked
|
||
by their most favoured Network Coordinator. Top draft
|
||
choices will always be those sysops who are prepared to
|
||
nitpick the hell out of issue that occurred way back in the
|
||
late fifties.
|
||
|
||
Network Coordinators should not ignore the "specialty teams"
|
||
that make netwars so fascinating. Getting one of those
|
||
tight-assed weenies who quotes every obscenity that comes
|
||
down the turnpike and then appends some cloacally-challenged
|
||
moralizing, should be counted as almost as important as the
|
||
wankers who brag that they are the very first to be running
|
||
the "new" Fido Version 1.01 software. The latter can be be
|
||
guaranteed to smoke out some peckerwood who counter-brags
|
||
that he/she has been running that version for three
|
||
nanoseconds longer.... under Windows, no less.
|
||
|
||
A truly successful Netwar season can be measured by the
|
||
logarithmic expansion of new nets, and the number of
|
||
excitable, intrigue-filled, phone calls that Lesley-Dee
|
||
makes.
|
||
|
||
7. The Stirring Conclusion: Just as this policy document was
|
||
about to end. Just as Luke in his X-wing fighter was about
|
||
to drop the Neutron bomb down the exhaust shaft and put this
|
||
puppy out of it's misery. Just as the Bikersluts were about
|
||
to perform peculiar ablutions in the lap of the good Rev.
|
||
Visage. Just as your RETURN button was begging for mercy
|
||
like some spaghetti flogged, Jesse Hollington -type
|
||
combination fax machine and gratification device... just at
|
||
that moment... a rock fungus will burst it's spore pod and
|
||
some flatlined-on-the-EEG sysop will suggest that "we really
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 19 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
oughta have lots more policy."
|
||
|
||
|
||
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
Just an idea about this NodeList
|
||
|
||
By Jan Derk Otter - 2:282/100.20
|
||
Just an idea about this NodeList
|
||
|
||
Last week I've read through several of the latest FidoNews's. I hadn't
|
||
much time lately, so I read through quite a few of them in a few days.
|
||
The continuing story seems te be the world NodeList.
|
||
|
||
Most people complain about it's size, and they then try to point out
|
||
that what causes it to be so big is, that it contains too many
|
||
duplicate nodes, private nodes, down nodes and nodes on hold. Also
|
||
the number of flags at the end of each node-entry would be a problem,
|
||
and cause too much data.
|
||
They then suggest that the NodeList is cleaned up, so it would regain
|
||
normal proportions.
|
||
|
||
To my opinion this is not a solution at all. Even if half of the size
|
||
of the NodeList is caused by this "redundant" information, then
|
||
cleaning up the NodeList would still result in a filesize of more than
|
||
1 Meg currently. I suppose this would still be unacceptable to the
|
||
most of us, at least to them who currently complain about its size.
|
||
And even then: if FidoNet continues to grow the way it currently
|
||
grows, we're back on 2 Megs and more in a relatively short time.
|
||
So, to my opinion, removing this redundant information is not, or at
|
||
least of little value. What we really need is another concept.
|
||
|
||
Let's take a look at the "real" world (whatever that may be ;).
|
||
I'm living in The Netherlands, a small country here in Europe. Though
|
||
The Netherlands are not a big country all together, I do not have a
|
||
phonebook of the whole of The Netherlands. In fact I only have a
|
||
phonebook of my own area. And even that one is already more than
|
||
4 cm (~ 1.5 inch) thick. If I would like to have all the books with
|
||
all the phonenumbers in The Netherlands, I would be left with a stack
|
||
of books of about 1 meter (~ 3.3 feet) high. That would be a little
|
||
overdoing things, or not?
|
||
|
||
So, what if I have to call someone whose number I do not have? If the
|
||
person lives in my own area, I can look up his phonenumber in the book
|
||
I have. If the person lives in another area, I dail a central service,
|
||
give them the information they need, and I get the requested number, or
|
||
a series of numbers which could be of interest to me. If I need a
|
||
phonenumber from somebody outside The Netherlands, I dial another
|
||
central service and the same procedure takes place.
|
||
If the number I got, somehow is of importance to me, I write it down in
|
||
my personal phonedirectory.
|
||
|
||
Now let's re-think the whole NodeList-idea.
|
||
From a historic point of view, it is a logical situation where we have
|
||
come todate, concerning the NodeList. If you have a net with just a
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 20 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
"few" numbers, the idea just works fine. At the size of which FidoNet
|
||
is at this moment this is already somewhat harder to pretend. At the
|
||
size of which FidoNet tends to grow at this moment, it might become
|
||
almost impossible.
|
||
|
||
Nobody is interested in having a Nodelist of 10 Meg or more, lazy
|
||
laying around on a disk, just occupying space. And every time it's
|
||
updated it takes to much time. Even on a fast computer.
|
||
|
||
So why not implement the idea of "normal" phonenumbers in the FidoNet.
|
||
|
||
Say I become a new member of the FidoNet. At that moment I get a small
|
||
file from my Boss (who-ever that may be), containing the most
|
||
important nodes-information. Of course my and his node-information is
|
||
in this file, and probably information of a few other important nodes.
|
||
If I want to send direct Netmail to a node whose information I do not
|
||
have, I just send a Netmail to an (let call it) AddressManager,
|
||
requesting information about this node. I so drop an
|
||
Address-information-request on my Boss's system, using relevant
|
||
information such as for example a nodenumber, or a name if I don't
|
||
know the nodenumber, or both parts of them if I just have parts of
|
||
them both.
|
||
|
||
The requested system (it could be my Boss's system, but of course
|
||
also might be another system) looks up the information in its own
|
||
Nodelist. If it finds relevant information, it then compiles a file
|
||
containing this information and passes that back to me. It also sends
|
||
me a Netmail saying that something was found. This latter is of cource
|
||
just for my convenience.
|
||
If the AddressManager does not find something relevant, it forwards
|
||
the request to an uplink, and returns me a Netmail saying that nothing
|
||
was found on it's own system, and that the request is forwarded to
|
||
that and that system. I then know I might have to wait a little longer
|
||
before getting an answer.
|
||
|
||
If some node-information was returned, I use a sort of NodelistManager
|
||
to update my private nodelist, eventualy removing entries that are not
|
||
of concern to me. And voila, I'm ready and have my updated
|
||
"phonebook".
|
||
If nothing returned (but "errors") I know that I probably made a
|
||
mistake and that in any case the information as I stated it, is not
|
||
available in any searched Nodelist, which of course would normaly mean
|
||
that the information is not avalable in any existing Nodelist,
|
||
including the world NodeList.
|
||
|
||
In essence we already have such a system.
|
||
If I want an Echomail-area connected, I send a request to an
|
||
AreaManager. If the requested area is not available on the
|
||
host-system, it forwards the request to it's own host (or another
|
||
possible uplink), also requesting that area (for it's own system to be
|
||
connected). If the system is or becomes connected, I become connected.
|
||
If not, I get an "error message" returned.
|
||
|
||
Now, one new problem has arisen. How to keep your personal, private
|
||
nodelist up to date?
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 21 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
Well, again: how does this function in the daily life?
|
||
Say you call a friend who just bought a new telephone. You probably
|
||
won't notice this until s/he mentions. You're discussing this topic for
|
||
some time, and both sides know all of each other again. Finished.
|
||
|
||
How to implement this in the FidoLand?
|
||
|
||
As we (almost) all know, we have this fine and wonderful EMSI/IEMSI
|
||
handshake-protocol. This protocol has some fields defined, and also
|
||
allows for some EXTRA_FIELDS to be defined. One of the already
|
||
predefined EXTRA_FIELDS is the IDENT-field. This field servers as
|
||
"General identification of system that includes all information to
|
||
generate a St. Louis-format nodelist entry." (I quoted this from the
|
||
FSC-0056 specs).
|
||
|
||
I suppose it's obvious what I'm up to.
|
||
|
||
One system calls another. They both connect to each other via an IEMSI
|
||
handshake. If one of the EMSI-datafields was the IDENT-field, then the
|
||
information in this field is saved until after the session is
|
||
finished. After the session completed, the IDENT-information is
|
||
compared to the known node-information for that specific node. If the
|
||
information has altered in the meantime, the (private) nodelist is
|
||
updated.
|
||
|
||
Of course no Nodelist-files serving as files for download or
|
||
file-request, residing on the system are altered! Just the nodelist
|
||
the mailer uses to set up connections.
|
||
And of course it is important not to use any other data than the data
|
||
in the NodeList for that specific node!
|
||
|
||
In this way, what we end up with is a "few" big main systems, where
|
||
the whole, complete world NodeList resides. For example two or three
|
||
in every Region.
|
||
The somewhat smaller but still big systems contain the smaller
|
||
Nodelists. For example a Nodelist of the specific Zone.
|
||
And the smaller systems contain the smaller Nodelists, for example
|
||
just the ones from the most important Regions for the specific area.
|
||
And everybody else just "own's" its own nodelist, whatever it may
|
||
contain.
|
||
|
||
Of course, everybody who likes to do so may request a specific
|
||
complete Nodelist, even the complete world NodeList for my part. And
|
||
they may of course request to get the reguarly updates send to keep
|
||
this Nodelist up to date.
|
||
But for the most part of us, we could do with our own private
|
||
nodelist, I suppose.
|
||
|
||
This all doesn't mean that the integrity of the Nodelists is not
|
||
important. Of course it is. And there should be people taking care
|
||
of that.
|
||
|
||
Well, before this article get's even longer, I think I should make an
|
||
end somewhere here. I know this whole thought needs some re-thinking.
|
||
But of course I can and want not do that all myself. These are just
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 22 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
first thoughts about how to implement a new type of
|
||
nodelist-distribution, without having to be incompatible with the past.
|
||
|
||
Just give it a thought. Think of it. Reconsider: do you really need a
|
||
complete nodelist on your system, or can you do with a list of the few
|
||
nodes you daily call? Do you have phonebooks of the whole world?
|
||
How many entries of the nodelist you have, do you really use?
|
||
|
||
Any suggestions are welcome. Don't send them to me. Send them to the
|
||
FidoNews bulletin. As I did. Or send them to a (professional)
|
||
programmer who has experience in programming for the FidoNet, and who
|
||
probably might like this and/or your idea.
|
||
Though I'm a programmer myself, I don't think I start writing software
|
||
for the FidoNet.
|
||
|
||
And, if you have anything unpleasant to tell (mail) me, please send
|
||
that to 0:0/0.0 or something equivalent. If you really dare, try to get
|
||
it published in one of the next FidoNews's.
|
||
Sorry this article got so long. I didn't plan that.
|
||
|
||
With sincerely greetings,
|
||
hoping my article may be of help to all of you,
|
||
|
||
Jan Derk Otter AKA Nozem (2:282/100.20)
|
||
|
||
|
||
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
Reply to article in FidoNews 11-24
|
||
Mikael St<53>ldal (2:201/337)
|
||
|
||
In FidoNews 11-24 there was an article, "D R A F T P R O P O S A L",
|
||
about Zone One Mail Backbone Policy. There was no name or address in
|
||
the article so I can only reply this way.
|
||
|
||
You may say that I shouldn't care since this is a policy for zone 1
|
||
and I'm in zone 2. But I think that it will affect the whole
|
||
FidoNet, why publish it in FidoNews otherwise? Many international
|
||
EchoMail areas will be covered by this, right? In that case the
|
||
whole FidoNet will be affected.
|
||
|
||
> 4.2 Message Technical Standards
|
||
> --------------------------------
|
||
|
||
> FTSC specification FTS-0001 is followed.
|
||
|
||
> Only ASCII characters are used in a message's control fields.
|
||
|
||
What does the last quoted line mean? Does "ASCII" mean only 7 bit
|
||
and "control fields" include From, To and Subject? If that is the
|
||
case, why? How should then people like me do? I have a non-ASCII
|
||
character in my name, the thrid letter in my last name is an 'a'
|
||
with a ring above. I don't want to change it to a normal 'a' as I
|
||
have done in the nodelist.
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 23 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
If you specially say that only 7 bit is allowed in the header, then
|
||
it's logical to draw the conclusion that 8 bit *is* allowed in the
|
||
message body. That good, but shouldn't you specify a character set
|
||
or a method to indicate which character set is used (such as FSC-54)?
|
||
|
||
|
||
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
Nodelist
|
||
Doug Mclean (1:255/9)
|
||
|
||
In response to an article entitled "Insanity" by Carl Kristoffersen
|
||
(1:141/910) which appeared in FIDO1125.NWS, regarding the size of
|
||
the nodelist.
|
||
|
||
First, if Mr. Kristoffersen's nodelist is only 1.54 megs, then I
|
||
would suggest that he has either a regional nodelist, a compressed
|
||
one, or an antique one. My nodelist (nodelist.168) is 2735309 bytes
|
||
long. My nodelist compiler tells me the following about it (I'll
|
||
use some of these numbers later on):
|
||
|
||
Total Nodes Processed = 32415
|
||
Bad Nodes = 0
|
||
Unique Nodes = 32415
|
||
Nodes Down = 643
|
||
Points = 3
|
||
-------------------------------------
|
||
Zone Coordinators Listed = 7
|
||
Regional Coordinators Listed = 72
|
||
Network Coordinators Listed = 725
|
||
Hub Coordinators Listed = 1535
|
||
=====================================
|
||
Diff'ing = 0:34
|
||
Parsing = 0:19
|
||
Sorting = 0:03
|
||
Processing = 0:00
|
||
Writing = 0:22
|
||
-------------------------------------
|
||
Total time needed = 1:18
|
||
|
||
As you can see, the "real" nodelist (this week) has 643 nodes
|
||
listed as "down", almost double the number claimed by Mr.
|
||
Kristoffersen.
|
||
|
||
Mr. Kristoffersen is correct that the time it takes to compile a
|
||
nodelist could be shortened only marginally and not enough to make
|
||
any real difference (although why his nodelist compiler takes 30
|
||
min to compile a 1.5 meg nodelist is beyond me). However, if we
|
||
assume that the time required to process a nodelist is directly
|
||
proportional to it's size (not necessairly a valid assumption),
|
||
then my calculator tells me he would save about 2 min (by his
|
||
numbers), not about .12 seconds. Carl, how did you arrive at .12
|
||
seconds?
|
||
|
||
Further, he is ignoring the time it takes to recieve the nodelist
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 24 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
via modem, and the space it consumes on a hard drive.
|
||
|
||
He also ignores most of the possible measures to trim the nodelist,
|
||
concentrating only on down nodes and the v32/v32b and v42/v42b
|
||
flags. There is a fair amount of excess in the nodelist that could
|
||
easily be eliminated.
|
||
|
||
Let's do some rough calculations. I wrote a small program to count
|
||
some of the things in the nodelist, and I will use the results
|
||
below. I will assume that the average node occupies 80 bytes in the
|
||
nodelist, and that the average comment line occupies 60 bytes. The
|
||
following may contain a small amount of guesswork and estimates,
|
||
but should give us a general idea of what COULD be saved. Note that
|
||
when you eliminate a flag, you eliminate one of the associated
|
||
commas, for an extra byte saving, this is why I assume that
|
||
eliminating a single (for example) V32 saves 4 bytes. Also note
|
||
that the following is not a complete list of all redundancies, but
|
||
a quick look at just some of them:
|
||
|
||
Eliminate "down" nodes: 643 * 80 bytes = 51440 bytes
|
||
|
||
Eliminate the dashes in phone numbers, 1-506-636-9117
|
||
would become 15066369117. I don't think software needs
|
||
the dashes anyway: 32415 nodes * 3 bytes = 97245 bytes
|
||
|
||
Eliminate the underscores in the BBS names AND in the
|
||
locations, the capitals for each word should suffice.
|
||
Leave them in the sysop name, software needs that
|
||
to reply correctly to messages: 32415 nodes * 2 bytes = 64830 bytes
|
||
(2 bytes/node is a very conservative estimate for both
|
||
BBS name and location taken together)
|
||
|
||
Replace CM for nodes that are 24 hour with
|
||
a flag for nodes that aren't CM (maybe
|
||
ZM for Zone Mail hour only)
|
||
24293 nodes * 3 bytes - (8122 nodes * 3 bytes) = 48513 bytes
|
||
|
||
Eliminate the last 2 chars of baud, 2400 would become
|
||
24, 9600 becomes 96 etc: 32415 nodes * 2 bytes = 64830 bytes
|
||
|
||
Eliminate the V42 and V42b flags. Who uses these
|
||
anyway???? V42 flags 612 nodes * 4 bytes = 2448 bytes
|
||
V42b flags 11928 nodes * 5 bytes = 59640 bytes
|
||
|
||
Eliminate V32 from V32/V32b pairs: 317 nodes * 4 bytes = 1268 bytes
|
||
|
||
Eliminate comment lines. Make these available in a
|
||
fido document instead for those who want them:
|
||
1055 lines * 60 bytes = 63300 bytes
|
||
--------------
|
||
Total bytes saved: = 453514 bytes
|
||
|
||
453514 / 2735309 = .1658, or over 16% of the nodelist.
|
||
|
||
And, that doesn't even include other redundancies, like
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 25 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
non-standard flags, pairs involving HST flags etc. Even more space
|
||
could be saved by eliminating other redundancies that I didn't
|
||
check for, but surely must exist.
|
||
|
||
If we assumed that 80 percent of nodes maintain a full nodelist, we
|
||
can collectively save at least
|
||
453514 bytes * (.9 * 32415) nodes = 1.323 E 10 bytes or 12617.7 megs
|
||
of hard drive space worldwide.
|
||
And that number will grow as fido grows!
|
||
|
||
While the above could be implemented fairly easily (except maybe
|
||
the baud rate change), we could save even more space in the distant
|
||
future with even more radical changes. Replace MO, CM, X? etc flags
|
||
with a 16 bit hex number (represented as text 0000 - FFFF) where
|
||
each bit represents a flag. Replace the modem capability flags with
|
||
a similar scheme. Eliminate the baud rate all together and use only
|
||
the modem flags instead. Maybe move the nodelist to a binary format
|
||
(to increase speed as well as reduce size). While these ideas could
|
||
not be implemented immediately, standards for their future use
|
||
could be developed (these things take time, right?).
|
||
|
||
Finally, I must agree with Mr. Kristoffersen that it is not
|
||
imperitave that drastic changes be made immediately. After all,
|
||
while 12617.7 megs sounds like a LOT of hard drive space, it isn't
|
||
really that much when divided among over 30000 nodes. But,
|
||
computers in general (and telecommunications in particular) are
|
||
rapidly changing, and fido is eventually going to need to trim some
|
||
fat from the nodelist, and develop standards for a new nodelist
|
||
format. The current nodelist format is rapidly becomming too
|
||
complex and outdated. Why not start looking at some changes now? If
|
||
changes aren't made, 10 years down the road the nodelist will
|
||
become a huge monster that will not be practical to work with. It
|
||
is getting pretty close to that point now! The future will have to
|
||
bring changes, and a good time to start looking at them is today.
|
||
|
||
Doug McLean 1:255/9.0
|
||
Via DLGMail @ 1:255/9.0
|
||
|
||
|
||
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
Welfare Reform and Where To Discuss It
|
||
|
||
Welfare Reform & Where To Discuss It
|
||
By Mike Adams, 1:19/10
|
||
|
||
Several years ago I started the Welfare Conference because I noticed
|
||
there seemed to be no clear place for the issues involving social
|
||
services system to be discussed. The conference very quickly moved to
|
||
the Zone 1 Backbone, and it's been a place for many interesting dis-
|
||
cussions ever since. Though I originally envisioned the conference as
|
||
involving just the social service programs in the United States, it
|
||
soon grew to encompass many parts of the world. Australian and
|
||
Canadian participants often give a viewpoint which has been both
|
||
educational and invigorating.
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||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 26 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
|
||
The headlines in today's papers virtually scream out about the subject
|
||
of welfare reform, and we've been discussing it for quite a while in
|
||
the Welfare Conference. Some speak from the experience of receiving
|
||
benefits, others from administering welfare programs, and still others
|
||
speak from the sidelines where they've been viewing the abuses that
|
||
currently flaw the system. Some of the ideas presented have been on
|
||
the radical side, and some have been thought-provoking. All are worth
|
||
considering.
|
||
|
||
So, whether you're a welfare recipient (past or present), a welfare
|
||
worker, or just an interested party, the opportunity awaits you. You
|
||
can discuss your ideas with others who are interested in discussing
|
||
them. The conference is on the Zone 1 Backbone. Request it now!
|
||
|
||
|
||
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
FidoNet LAW Echo Moderator Makes News!
|
||
|
||
from Lester Garrett
|
||
1:125/101
|
||
|
||
(From a Cross-Posted Message)
|
||
|
||
Source: THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC
|
||
Wednesday, May 4, 1994
|
||
page B7
|
||
|
||
COURT UPHOLDS FINE FOR DIVORCE LAWYER ON LAM
|
||
--------------------------------------------
|
||
By Brent Whiting
|
||
and Pamela Manson
|
||
The Arizona Republic
|
||
|
||
"The legal problems of a Phoenix divorce lawyer on the lam took
|
||
another turn for the worse Tuesday as the Arizona Court of Appeals
|
||
upheld a blow to his pocketbook.
|
||
|
||
"The court refused to set aside a $9,350 fine slapped against Robert
|
||
Hirschfeld last year after a judge held him in contempt for advising a
|
||
client to sell his estranged wife's van to pay Hirschfeld's fees.
|
||
|
||
"In a 3-0 opinion, the court rejected Hirschfeld's arguments that he
|
||
doesn't need to pay because legal fees are 'necessities of life' that
|
||
are exempt from court orders to preserve assets in divorce cases.
|
||
|
||
"The court's decision follows a ruling Friday in which a federal judge
|
||
refused to prohibit state judges from having Hirschfeld jailed for
|
||
failing to pay a $20,000 fine in another case.
|
||
|
||
"Hirschfeld vowed Tuesday that despite the recent setbacks, he will
|
||
continue with appeals that he expects to solve his problems.
|
||
|
||
"'It's improper to use an arrest warrant to collect a money
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 27 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
judgement,' Hirschfeld said. 'Ultimately, they (the courts) will have
|
||
to admit I'm right.'
|
||
|
||
"He made the comments during a telephone conversation with _The
|
||
Arizona Republic_. Hirschfeld, who placed the call from an
|
||
undisclosed location, would not comment on reports that members of the
|
||
Valley legal community have spotted him in Puerto Penasco, Sonora.
|
||
|
||
"Hirschfeld, 52, went underground last month after Judge Alfred Rogers
|
||
of Maricopa County Superior Court issued a warrant for his arrest for
|
||
failing to pay the $20,000 fine.
|
||
|
||
"Sources say that aside from his differences with Rogers, Hirschfeld
|
||
may face more-serious problems with clients who feel they are being
|
||
short-changed while he is gone.
|
||
|
||
"The sources said the State Bar of Arizona takes a dim view of lawyers
|
||
who collect fees but don't perform services. Such complaints could
|
||
result in the revocation of Hirschfeld's license, they said.
|
||
|
||
"One client, Daniel Howard of Glendale, said his child-support
|
||
payments were increased two weeks ago because Hirschfeld did not show
|
||
up in court. Hirschfeld sent a substitute lawyer for another hearing,
|
||
but the replacement knew nothing about the case, Howard said.
|
||
|
||
"'He should take care of his clients and then take care of his
|
||
problems,' said Howard, who says Hirschfeld still owes him $3,000
|
||
worth of legal work for a $6,000 retainer he paid.
|
||
|
||
"Hirschfeld replied that he has made arrangements for substitute
|
||
lawyers in his cases and that Howard's payments went up despite an
|
||
objection.
|
||
|
||
"'I'm not abandoning him,' he said.
|
||
|
||
"The Court of Appeals ruling against Hirschfeld involves a pending
|
||
divorce between an Air Force captain and his wife.
|
||
|
||
"Judge Brian Hauser of Superior Court held Hirschfeld in contempt Dec.
|
||
7 after the officer had removed his wife's van from a Glendale
|
||
Community College parking lot while she was attending classes.
|
||
|
||
"The officer later sold the vehicle for $13,300, about $5,000 less
|
||
than its fair-market value, and used the proceeds to buy a
|
||
less-expensive vehicle for himself and to pay legal fees to
|
||
Hirschfeld.
|
||
|
||
"The Court of Appeals upheld findings by Hauser that the sale violated
|
||
the terms of a preliminary injunction enjoining both parties in the
|
||
divorce from disposing of assets.
|
||
|
||
"Judge Thomas Kleinschmidt, writing for the court, said Hauser
|
||
reasonably could have inferred from the evidence that Hirschfeld had
|
||
advised his client to sell the van.
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 28 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
"Hirschfeld said Tuesday that the vehicle was taken from the wife
|
||
before he was representing her husband."
|
||
|
||
Afterward: According to a follow-up story, Mr. Hirschfeld was
|
||
apprehended on May 5th and spent the night behind bars.
|
||
|
||
According to attorney Mark Osterman, Moderator of the FidoNet
|
||
LEGAL_LAW Echo,
|
||
|
||
". . .it has been reported that the $20,000 fine/sanction is as a
|
||
result of failing to disclose (during a long custody battle) that [Mr.
|
||
Hirschfeld's] client had attempted suicide. One attorney in the area
|
||
stated that [Mr. Hirschfeld] had indeed hidden this fact from the
|
||
judge, that the suicide attempt had occurred days before the trial
|
||
began. The $20,000 were the fees and costs of the opposing party's
|
||
defense on behalf of the mother.
|
||
|
||
"Upon being hit with these fines and costs, it is alleged that a
|
||
Complaint was filed in Federal court which was denied, wherein [Mr.
|
||
Hirschfeld] asked the Court to set aside the Order of the Arizona
|
||
Superior Court. The Federal District Court declined. . . ."
|
||
|
||
====================================
|
||
|
||
END TRANS
|
||
|
||
|
||
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
ECSTASY now available from 1:163/328
|
||
|
||
by Rick Pali
|
||
ECSTASY now available from 1:163/328
|
||
|
||
An echo is born, and it's called ECSTACY. The topic is the music of
|
||
Sarah McLachlan, Tori Amos, Kate Bush, Jane Siberry and similar
|
||
non-commercial female artists. Any discussion, debate, news questions
|
||
about these performers are welcome. If you've visited the Usenet
|
||
group rec.music.gaffa, you'll feel right at home in ECSTASY.
|
||
|
||
The echo is less than a month old and isn't backboned so distribution
|
||
is private. Traffic now is less than 20 messages a week but that will
|
||
increase as more systems link in.
|
||
|
||
If you're interested in a feed, or more information please feel free
|
||
to drop me a netmail message.
|
||
|
||
Rick Pali
|
||
ECSTASY Moderator
|
||
1:163/328
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 29 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
|
||
CORELDRAW now available from 1:163/328
|
||
|
||
by Rick Pali
|
||
CORELDRAW now available from 1:163/328
|
||
|
||
CorelDraw is the leading professional graphics package available for
|
||
a PC running MS Windows. With a program as complex as this one, there
|
||
are bound to be tips and tricks to help you work faster and better that
|
||
you're not aware of. Tune in to the newly formed CORELDRAW echo to
|
||
discuss the software, and how you work with it.
|
||
|
||
If you're interested in a feed, or more information, please feel free
|
||
to drop me a netmail message.
|
||
|
||
Rick Pali
|
||
ECSTASY Moderator
|
||
1:163/328
|
||
|
||
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
Wholly_Bible, To whom does it belong?
|
||
|
||
By Mark Wilson
|
||
Wholly_Bible, To Whom does it belong?
|
||
|
||
Quoting Steve Winter from the FIDO1125.NWS issue of Fidonews...
|
||
|
||
SW> The PRIME Network
|
||
SW> Steve Winter
|
||
SW> FidoNet 1:18/98
|
||
SW>
|
||
SW> (much verbage deleted)
|
||
SW>
|
||
SW> WHOLLY_BIBLE (C)Copyright 1988-94 Steve Winter,
|
||
SW>
|
||
SW> (more verbage deleted)
|
||
|
||
Contrary to Mr. Winter's statement that is quoted above, other than
|
||
his claim to have copyright over the words WHOLLY_BIBLE, which is
|
||
not a work that is available to copyright, he has nothing to do
|
||
whatsoever with the Wholly_Bible echo. The echo in question was
|
||
started in March of 1993 in response to his intolerance of differing
|
||
views, and is florishing quite well without any input from him,
|
||
although he has never been banished from accessing the echo. It is
|
||
available from the standard Zone 1 backbone connections, and is also
|
||
presently available from certain systems in Zone 3 as
|
||
Bible_Believers. The zone 3 distribution is presently changing so
|
||
that it will be available in Zone 3 as Wholly_Bible3, and at that
|
||
time the distribution as Bible_Believers will be curtailed, although
|
||
the Bible_Believers echo will remain as an independent echo.
|
||
Wholly_Bible and Wholly_Bible3 are distributed and moderated under
|
||
the control of Scott McCool (1:291/7) and Mark Wilson (1:379/1108),
|
||
and are available for distribution to other zones and networks by
|
||
prearranged agreements with the moderators.
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 30 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
|
||
The purpose of the Wholly_Bible echo is to allow for discussion of
|
||
Bible topics, with the Bible being the source material for the
|
||
discussion, although peripheral material is allowed at the
|
||
discretion of the moderators. The moderators do maintain
|
||
discretionary control over what topics may be allowed, as some
|
||
topics do seem to become inflammatory in nature and are either
|
||
allowed or banned as is deemed necessary at the given time to
|
||
maintain the noise level at a comfortable level. We presently have
|
||
participants from many differing viewpoints; with Judaism, and many
|
||
differing flavors of Christian beliefs being presently discussed.
|
||
Discussion of the original language text is encouraged, whether it
|
||
be Hebrew, Chaldean, Aramaic, or Greek.
|
||
|
||
If you are looking for an echo that has a wide diversity of beliefs
|
||
represented, without the hatred towards and suppression of all
|
||
opposing thought that is prevalent in some other echoes, this may
|
||
be the one you are looking for. If you are looking for an echo with
|
||
the origin of the majority of the messages being from nodes other
|
||
than the moderators, this echo just might fit your desires. You are
|
||
encouraged to link the echo either through the backbone distribution
|
||
system, or contact either of the above stated persons for
|
||
arrangement of a feed at speeds up to 14,400 from 1:379/1108 or from
|
||
1:291/7 at speeds to 28,800. Other feeds may be available depending
|
||
upon arrangements available, including but not limited to tunneled
|
||
Internet feeds of echomail message packet files in standard FTS
|
||
style.
|
||
|
||
|
||
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
Darling Madam EMilia
|
||
|
||
Q: I have developed asthma. All my friends who frequently drop by
|
||
smoke. Now I am allergic to this smoke. So I hide in my room with
|
||
my computer and avoid them, because I do not want to order them not
|
||
to smoke around me. What should I do? I must confess I am rather
|
||
enjoying hiding in my room with my computer.
|
||
|
||
A: Obviously you have developed "asthma" as an excuse to spend all
|
||
of your time near your BBS. This is fine. Stop worrying. Perhaps
|
||
you could actually meet some of your BBS friends? However, it is
|
||
not necessary to "actually" meet your BBS friends, becasue
|
||
electronic existance is as least as important as physical existence.
|
||
You probably are closer emotionally to little letters on a screen
|
||
than you are to posturing and contrived real-time social scenes
|
||
anyway.
|
||
|
||
Q: I have fallen in love again, with another Mike-like character.
|
||
I also have a crush on Rufo, and Libby. The problem is, he wants
|
||
to seduce ME over the net, but I feel uncomfortable with this. I
|
||
HATE being conquered. I would rather seduce HIM. If i am seducing
|
||
him, then i am in control. What if he thinks I am too wierd and I
|
||
scare him away? This would be unBearably painful. What should I do?
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 31 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
A: Masochism is the answer to all emotional angst. If he
|
||
disappears into the greater Fido never to be seen again, enjoy
|
||
this. Enjoy the bizarreness of whichever scene you encounter.
|
||
Besides, you have disappeared, leaving lots of love-struck puppies
|
||
before now and you never even said "goodbye" to any of them, so this
|
||
serves you right. NAA-na-Na. You are a BITCH and you know it, so
|
||
stop whining. Just because you have a nice ass you think no-one
|
||
will mind when you mailer doesn't work. You deserve to be
|
||
tortured.
|
||
|
||
Q: I haven't had any internet mail for days now because my
|
||
upstream host is down or there is some other amorphous technical
|
||
problem. What should i do?
|
||
|
||
A: Use FidoNet. Internet is k for dabbling and you can get some
|
||
magazines on Internet that are much harder to find on FidoNet. But
|
||
I've never had a problem with lost mail in FidoNet. Dabble on
|
||
Internet, Babble on Fidonet. Besides, one of these days it will
|
||
become hideously important that FidoNet is a VOLUNTEER
|
||
oprganization, never to be clobbered by beurocracy or legalisms or
|
||
government.
|
||
|
||
|
||
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
1984 tee shirt
|
||
|
||
Sender: tomj@fido.wps.com
|
||
|
||
Here is some more info on the "1984" tee shirt. I URGE you to GET
|
||
THIS. My order is in the mail. I've seen the shirt. IT'S GREAT!!!
|
||
|
||
----Forwarded message begins here---
|
||
|
||
I still have some of the shirts. I've included the ordering info.
|
||
It covers payment, available sizes and colors and payment.
|
||
|
||
-john.
|
||
|
||
------------------------
|
||
John Blair: <jdblair@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu> voice: (513) 523-2961
|
||
http://phoenix.aps.muohio.edu/users/jdblair/home.html KILL YOUR
|
||
PGP public key available upon request. TELEVISION
|
||
|
||
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
|
||
|
||
1984 NSA T-Shirt Ordering Information
|
||
|
||
What does the design look like?
|
||
|
||
The design is be printed in white ink on a dark colored shirt.
|
||
|
||
The front design is:
|
||
|
||
1984
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 32 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
+---+
|
||
|(O)| <--- half-tone picture of an eye
|
||
+---+
|
||
"We're Behind
|
||
Schedule"
|
||
National Security Agency
|
||
|
||
The text is EuroStyle Extended. The eye is rendered in a coarse
|
||
half-tone. The back of the shirt is the "Cyber Rights Now" fist
|
||
and lightning logo from Wired Magazine. The shirts are 100% cotton.
|
||
Available shirt colors are black, navy, dark green, and maroon.
|
||
Available sizes are L, XL, and XXL. 3XL is also available for an
|
||
extra $2/shirt in the same colors, excluding maroon.
|
||
|
||
Where can I see the design?
|
||
|
||
The design is available via WWW clients at:
|
||
http://phoenix.aps.muohio.edu/users/jdblair/t-shirt.html
|
||
Mosaic will display the images directly. Lynx, as well as other
|
||
ascii based systems, should let you download the gifs to your local
|
||
system.
|
||
|
||
It is also available via anonymous ftp at:
|
||
ftp.atd.ucar.edu:/pub/Crypto
|
||
ftp.wimsey.bc.ca:/pub/crypto/shirt
|
||
|
||
How much does it cost?
|
||
|
||
The t-shirt is priced at $15 if sent to an address within the
|
||
United States. For addresses in Canada, the price is $16. For
|
||
addresses in most of Western Europe, $18. If you wish the shirt to
|
||
be shipped outside of these areas, please e-mail me for pricing
|
||
information. If you can come pick it up from me personally, the
|
||
charge is only $13.
|
||
|
||
How do I get one?
|
||
|
||
I have a small number of shirts in stock. Let me know what size
|
||
and color you would like, and I'll let you know if I have one. I
|
||
will be able to send your shirt when I receive your money.
|
||
Unfortunately, since digital cash isn't a reality yet, you'll have
|
||
to snail-mail me the money.
|
||
|
||
Make out your check or money order to me, John Blair.
|
||
|
||
My address is:
|
||
|
||
1984 T-Shirt
|
||
John Blair
|
||
223 S College
|
||
Oxford, OH 45056
|
||
|
||
Please notice that this address is DIFFERENT from the previously
|
||
posted address. I've moved off campus for the summer.
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 33 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
Be sure to include the size, and color of the shirt you want, as
|
||
well as a snail-mail address where I should send the shirt, and an
|
||
e-mail address for confirmation of the order. Please write your
|
||
e-mail address CLEARLY.
|
||
|
||
Money order is preferable. If you send a check, I will have to
|
||
wait until the check clears before sending your shirt.
|
||
|
||
Notice for international orders: Payment must be in U.S. Dollars.
|
||
|
||
For more information, please e-mail me at:
|
||
jdblair@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu
|
||
|
||
This file was last updated on 21.May.94.
|
||
|
||
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||
|
||
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|
||
|
||
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|
||
Fidonews Information
|
||
========================================================================
|
||
|
||
------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ----------------
|
||
|
||
Editors: Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees
|
||
Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
|
||
Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar
|
||
Tom Jennings
|
||
"FidoNews" BBS
|
||
FidoNet 1:1/23
|
||
BBS +1-519-570-4176, 300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(DS)
|
||
Internet addresses:
|
||
Don & Sylvia (submission address)
|
||
editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
|
||
Sylvia -- max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
|
||
Donald -- donald@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
|
||
Tim -- pozar@kumr.lns.com
|
||
|
||
(Postal Service mailing address)
|
||
FidoNews
|
||
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|
||
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|
||
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|
||
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|
||
|
||
Voice: (519) 570-3137
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 11-26 Page: 34 27 Jun 1994
|
||
|
||
Published weekly by and for the members of the FidoNet international
|
||
amateur electronic mail system. It is a compilation of individual
|
||
articles contributed by their authors or their authorized agents. The
|
||
contribution of articles to this compilation does not diminish the
|
||
rights of the authors. Opinions expressed in these articles are those
|
||
of the authors and not necessarily those of FidoNews.
|
||
|
||
Authors retain copyright on individual works; otherwise FidoNews is
|
||
Copyright 1994 Sylvia Maxwell. All rights reserved. Duplication and/or
|
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|
||
other circumstances, please contact the original authors, or FidoNews
|
||
(we're easy).
|
||
|
||
OBTAINING COPIES: The-most-recent-issue-ONLY of FidoNews in electronic
|
||
form may be obtained from the FidoNews BBS via manual download or
|
||
Wazoo FileRequest, or from various sites in the FidoNet and Internet.
|
||
PRINTED COPIES may be obtained from Fido Software for $10.00US each
|
||
PostPaid First Class within North America, or $13.00US elsewhere,
|
||
mailed Air Mail. (US funds drawn upon a US bank only.)
|
||
|
||
INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via FTP from ftp.fidonet.org,
|
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|
||
have questions regarding FidoNet, or UUCP<==>FidoNet gateways, please
|
||
direct them to David Deitch (1:133/411@fidonet) at
|
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deitch@gisatl.fidonet.org.
|
||
|
||
SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in
|
||
FidoNews. Article submission requirements are contained in the file
|
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ARTSPEC.DOC, available from the FidoNews BBS, or Wazoo filerequestable
|
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|
||
|
||
"Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered
|
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trademarks of Tom Jennings, and are used with permission.
|
||
|
||
Asked what he thought of Western civilization,
|
||
M.K. Gandhi said, "I think it would be an excellent idea".
|
||
-- END
|
||
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