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F I D O N E W S -- Vol.11 No. 8 (21-Feb-1994)
+----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
| A newsletter of the | |
| FidoNet BBS community | Published by: |
| _ | |
| / \ | "FidoNews" BBS |
| /|oo \ | +1-519-570-4176 1:1/23 |
| (_| /_) | |
| _`@/_ \ _ | Editors: |
| | | \ \\ | Sylvia Maxwell 1:221/194 |
| | (*) | \ )) | Donald Tees 1:221/192 |
| |__U__| / \// | Tim Pozar 1:125/555 |
| _//|| _\ / | |
| (_/(_|(____/ | |
| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
+----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
| Submission address: editors 1:1/23 |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Internet addresses: |
| |
| Sylvia -- max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
| Donald -- donald@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
| Tim -- pozar@kumr.lns.com |
| Both Don & Sylvia (submission address) |
| editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| For information, copyrights, article submissions, |
| obtaining copies and other boring but important details, |
| please refer to the end of this file. |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
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Table of Contents
========================================================================
1. Editorial..................................................... 2
2. Articles...................................................... 2
PROTEST MADE EASY........................................... 2
Privacy As Roadkill......................................... 3
And now for something completely different.................. 7
NEW Handyman Echo!.......................................... 7
SPLATNET: Simulated Paintball Combat........................ 8
A question of RemoteAccess Sysops........................... 9
Modem flags................................................. 9
MILITARY NET INTERNATIONAL.................................. 10
VIOLD....................................................... 11
MILHISTORY: Military History echo........................... 13
3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 14
FidoNews 11-08 Page: 2 21 Feb 1994
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Editorial
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Hello again dearest FidoLanders! We just arrived home from a
friend's farm in the Boonies. Sleeping on floors is refreshing.
Meeting cats who actually hunt and eat real mice for a living is
similarly zestifying. Not having a phone line is a pain in the
pussy.
We're working on getting that ISSN number for the Snooze, and i'm
afraid the tag line is mutating again. Some of the stuff in this
week should have been in last week, and the basement is probably
leaking because the street is busy raining and melting. However,
SNOW IS NOT HAPPENING. For those of you who are net-literate, that
former line in caps is actually encrypted text of extreme significance
and not to be disclosed to the CIA, the Thought Police, or Bamby.
========================================================================
Articles
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PROTEST MADE EASY
From: tomj@wps.com (Tom Jennings)
CPSR (Computer Professionals For Social responsibility) are putting
together a couple of petitions. You can add your name to them simply by
sending email with the text-in-quotes below, anywhere within the message
body. (SOme machinery scans for it automatically.)
Clipper is the incredibly stupid system the Feds are mking a big push
(as of a week ago) to pass. It's really bad policy.
HR 3627 is about encryption and such, I just read a fair amount about
it less than a week ago, and now can't recall anything, except its a
"good thing" from a civil-liberty POV. Sigh.
Max, could you run this in FidoNews? Of course it's only pertinent to us
USers, but it has some impact on non-USers cuz the feds want this shit
exported -- Clipper especialyl is reputed to have a back door, and hence
furrin nationals data encrypted thusly isn't safe from the Amurrican
data police!
If you have a unix shell, do this:
echo "I oppose clipper" | mail clipper.petition@cpsr.org
echo "I support H.R. 3627" | mail cantwell@eff.org
--
Tom Jennings -- World Power Systems -- San Francisco, Calif.
--
FidoNews 11-08 Page: 3 21 Feb 1994
From: "Brock N. Meeks" <brock@well.sf.ca.us>
Privacy As Roadkill
Jacking in from a "Private No More" Port:
Washington, DC -- If privacy isn't already the first victim of
roadkill along the information superhighway, then it's about to be.
A law enforcement panel addressing the Administration's Information
Infrastructure Task Force Working Group on Privacy told a public
meeting here last week that it wanted to "front load" the National
Information Infrastructure with trap door technologies that would
allow them to easy access to digital conversations; eavesdropping
on any conversation or capturing electronic communications midstream.
But only for "the bad guys." Us honest, hard working, law abiding
citizens have nothing to fear from these law enforcement agencies
selling out our privacy rights to make their jobs easier. Nope, we
can rest easy, knowing that child pornographers, drug traffickers
and organized crime families will be sufficiently thwarted by law
enforcement's proposed built-in gadgetry for the national
information infrastructure.
There's just a small problem: Law enforcement agencies, any law
enforcement agency, has yet to prove it needs all these proposed
digital trap doors. In fact, according to a U.S. Assistant
Attorney appearing on the panel, "Right now most law enforcement
personnel don't have any idea what the NII is."
Gore Gives Go Ahead
===================
Panel members, representing the Justice Dept., FBI and U.S.
Attorney's office, said that they took Vice President Gore's
promise that the White House would work to ensure that the NII
would "help law enforcement agencies thwart criminals and
terrorists who might use advanced telecommunications to commit
crimes," as tacit approval of their proposals to push for digital
wiretap access and government mandated encryption policies.
Gore buried those remarks deep in a speech he made in Los Angeles
earlier this month when the Administration first fleshed out how it
planned to rewrite the rules for communications in a newer, perhaps
more enlightened age. Those remarks went unnoticed by the
mainstream press. But readers here were forewarned.
Fuck Ross Perot's NAFTA-induced "giant sucking sound." That
"thump" you just heard was Law Enforcement running over the privacy
rights of the American public on its way to the information
superhighway. The real crime is that the collision barely dented
the damn fender.
This cunning and calculated move by law enforcement to install
interception technologies all along the information superhighway
FidoNews 11-08 Page: 4 21 Feb 1994
was blithely referred to as "proactive" law enforcement policy by
Assistant U.S. Attorney, Northern Dist. of California Kent Walker.
Designing these technologies into future networks, which include
all telephone systems, would ensure that law enforcement
organizations "have the same capabilities that we all enjoy right
now," Walker said.
With today's wiretap operations, the Feds must get a court to
approve their request, but only after supplying enough evidence
warrant one. But Walker seemed to be lobbying for the opposite.
Giving the Feds the ability to listen in first and give
justification later was "no big difference," he said. Besides, "it
would save time and money."
It's Us vs. Them
=================
For Walker privacy issues weighed against law enforcement needs are
black and white, or rather "good guys" vs. "bad guys." For
example, he said the rapid rise of private (read: non-government
controlled) encryption technologies didn't mean law enforcement
would have to work harder. On the contrary, "it only means we'll
catch less criminals," he said.
But if law enforcement is merely concerned with the task of "just
putting the bad guys in jail," as James Settle, head of the FBI's
National Computer Crime Squad states, then why are we seeing an
unprecedented move by government intelligence agencies into areas
they have historically shied from? Because law enforcement
agencies know their window of opportunity for asserting their
influence is right now, right at the time the government is about
to take on a fundamental shift in how it deals privacy issues
within the networks that make up the NII, says David Sobel, general
counsel for Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility
(CPSR), who also spoke as a panel member.
"Because of law enforcement's concerns (regarding digital
technologies), we're seeing an unprecedented involvement by federal
security agencies in the domestic law enforcement activities,"
Sobel said.
Sobel dropped-kicked this chilling fact from behind the closed
doors of the Clinton Administration into the IITF's lap: For the
first time in history, the National Security Agency (NSA) "is now
deeply involved in the design of the public telecommunications
network."
Go ahead. Read it again.
Sobel backs up his claims with hundreds of pages of previously
classified memos and reports obtained under the Freedom of
Information Act. The involvement of the NSA in the design of our
telephone networks is, Sobel believes, a violation of federal
statutes.
FidoNews 11-08 Page: 5 21 Feb 1994
Sobel's also concerned that the public might soon be looking down
the throat of a classified telecommunications standard being
created. Another move he calls "unprecedented," is that if the
NSA, FBI and other law enforcement organizations have their way,
the design of the national telecommunications network will end up
classified and withheld from the public.
Sobel is dead bang on target with his warnings.
The telecommunications industry and FBI have set up an ad hoc
working group to see if a technical fix for digital wiretapping can
be found to make the Bureau happy. That way, legislation doesn't
need to be passed that might mandate such FBI access and stick the
Baby Bells with eating the full cost of reengineering their
networks.
This joint group was formed during a March 26, 1992 meeting at
FBI's Quantico, Va., facilities, according previously classified
FBI documents released under Freedom of Information Act. The group
was only formalized late last year, working under the auspices of
the Alliance for Telecommunications Industry Solutions (ATIS). The
joint industry-FBI group operates under the innocuous sounding name
of the Electronic Communications Service Provider Committee
(ECSPC).
The ECSPC meets monthly with intent of seeking a technological
"solution" to the FBI's request for putting a trap door into
digital switches that would allow them easy access to those
conversations. To date, no industry solution has been found for the
digital wiretap problem, according to Kenneth Raymond, a Nynex
telephone company engineer, who is the industry co-chairman of the
group.
Oh, there's also a small, but nagging problem: The FBI hasn't
provided a concrete basis that such solutions are needed, Raymond
said. CPSR's Sobel raised these same points during the panel
discussion.
The telecommunications industry is focused on "trying to evaluate
just what is the nature of the [digital access] problem and how we
can best solve it in some reasonable way that is consistent with
cost and demand," Raymond said. One solution might be to write
digital wiretap access into future switch specifications, he said.
If and when the industry does find that solution, do you think the
FBI will put out a press release to tell us about it? "I doubt it
very much," said FBI agent Barry Smith with the Bureau's
Congressional Affairs office. "It will be done quietly, with no
media fanfare."
Is it just me or are these headlights getting REALLY close?
The FBI's Settle is also adamant about trap door specifications
being written into any blue prints for the National Information
Infrastructure. But there's a catch. Settle calls these "security
FidoNews 11-08 Page: 6 21 Feb 1994
measures," because they'll give his office a better chance at
"catching bad guys." He wants all networks "to be required to
install some kind of standard for security." And who's writing
those standards? You guessed it: The NSA with input from the FBI
and other assorted spook agencies.
Settle defends these standards saying that the "best we have going
for us is that the criminal element hasn't yet figured out how to
use this stuff [encryption and networks in general]. When they do,
we'll be in trouble. We want to stay ahead of the curve."
In the meantime, his division has to hustle. The FBI currently has
only 25 "net literate" personnel, Settle admitted. "Most of these
were recruited 2 years ago," he said. Most have computer science
degrees and were systems administrators at time, he said.
You think that's funny? Hell, the Net is a still small community,
relatively speaking. One of your friends is probably an FBI Net
Snitch, working for Settle. Don't laugh.
Don't Look Now, Your Privacy Is Showing
=======================================
The law enforcement establishment doesn't think you really know
what you expect when it comes to privacy.
U.S. Attorney Walker says: "If you ask the public, 'Is privacy
more important than catching criminals?' They'll tell you, 'No.'"
(Write him with your own thoughts, won't you?)
Because of views like Walker's, the Electronic Communications
Privacy Act (ECPA) "needs to be broader," said Mike Godwin, legal
services counsel, for Electronic Frontier Foundation, speaking as
a panel member. The ECPA protects transmitted data, but it also
needs to protect stored data, he said. "A person's expectation of
privacy doesn't end when they store something on a hard disk."
But Walker brushed Godwin aside saying, "It's easy to get caught up
in the rhetoric that privacy is the end all be all."
Do you have an expectation of privacy for things you store on your
hard disk, in your own home? Walker says that idea is up for
debate: "Part of this working group is to establish what is a
reasonable expectation of privacy."
That's right. Toss everything you know or thought you knew about
privacy out the fucking window, as you cruise down the fast lane of
the information superhighway. Why? Because for people like
Walker, those guardians of justice, "There has to be a balance
between privacy needs and law enforcement needs to catch
criminals," he says.
Balance, yes. Total abrogation of my rights? Fat chance.
FidoNews 11-08 Page: 7 21 Feb 1994
Meeks out...
And now for something completely different.
by Patrick De Gagne 1:167/155
Well, this article isn't about proposing new standards for changes
to the nodelist format, it isn't about submitting a 20 pages long
rewriting of Policy 50343.1, it's not a denouncing of how incompetent
this NC or that REC is nor is it a attempt to wash dirty Net laundry
in public, it's not an add for my own super whizzbang Net, Echo or
software, it's certainly not a rebuttal to attention craved Steve
Winter (happy Steve? I mentioned you), it's not incessant whining
about the poor state of the world nor is it an outraged commentary on
how an Echo or the Snooze shouldn't or should be censored, it's not a
vicious flamewar or thoughtless bantering, it's not about extensive
tests on how ZAP compreses 0.00006% than ARG!, it's not a cockfight of
my Mak is better than your Peecee either... it's not even a software
release notice!
Nope, it's none of all the above. I actually have only a few words to
say which you don't hear too often these days...
Good going FIDO, and all the operators who make the system work. I've
been a Fido SysOp for a few years and I'm happy as a clam about a great
amateur network.
Have a nice day!
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NEW Handyman Echo!
by Mike Griffin
Handyman and Woodworkers Echo
Looking for a Woodworking Echo? Want to talk about that new power tool you
just bought? Wanna swap some ideas on woodworking projects and crafts?
Wanna talk about that deck you have been meaning to build? Need some tips
on electrical, plumbing or carpentry?
I am proud to announce the HANDYMAN echo available now!
The echo will consist of all topics including home repair, woodworking,
remodeling, plumbing, electrical, project design and planning, general
tips, powertools and anything related to the HANDYMAN. This is an excellent
place to swap those plans you drew up on the computer with someone else
who might have just what you're looking for. We will cover from the smallest
scroll saw cuts to building your dream home. Get tips from people who
work in these fields everyday. Share your knowledge with the weekend
do-it-yourselfer's.
If you would like to carry this echo please contact the following person
for feed info via NETMAIL. Dust off those tools and let's get crankin'.
Contact:
Mike Griffin
FidoNews 11-08 Page: 8 21 Feb 1994
1:106/5
The Unnecessary Habit BBS
Echotag: HANDYMAN
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SPLATNET: Simulated Paintball Combat
From: Stephen.Surman@f554.n2606.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Surman)
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____[[ [[____ [[ [[___[[ ^[] __ __ __ _____ __
_[[[[[_ [[ [[[[[[[ [[ [[ ^[] __ ____ __ __
Simulated, PaintBall Combat __ ___ _______ __
Attention [FIDONET] SysOps:
~ What is it? ~
SplatNet is a new and unique echomail network devoted to the fast
growing sport of paintball. In less than two months of operation,
SplatNet has grown nation-wide and promises to spread even further.
Spring is approaching, and paintball is a great way to enjoy the
outdoors.
~ Description ~
SplatNet currently offers a diverse range of conference areas.
Discussions include equipment overviews, updates, and suggestions;
technical advice from notable dealers across the country, and from
tournament winning professionals; strategical methods and tactics;
and exclusive electronic editions of the premier paintball
publication, Paintball News Magazine from New Hampshire. There are
currently 11 exciting message bases to choose from, or select them
all.
~ Where do I sign? ~
You may FREQ an information packet, including the latest nodelist,
echos, and application from 1:2606/554 or 1:2606/537 at any time.
Once you have completed the forms, simply send them back and you will
receive a node number. Available 24 hours a day, under the MAGIC
NAME 'SPLAT'.
~ What about LD bills? ~
Don't worry. There is no red tape in the SplatNet network. Feel
free to poll as often or as little ask you like. All messages will
be available for up to one week after they are received. You will
also be assigned a hub in your area, or as close as we can find one,
to receive your feeds from. Currently, SplatNet incorporates systems
across the continental US, so there should be no problems.
For more information, contact:
FidoNews 11-08 Page: 9 21 Feb 1994
Kent Manno, Zone Coordinator, East Coast Region.
FidoNet 1:2606/537
Stephen Surman, Zone Echo Coordinator.
FidoNet 1:2606/554
Elijah Mayeux, West Coast Region.
FidoNet 1:161/514
--
Stephen Surman Stephen.Surman@f554.n2606.z1.fidonet.org
--
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A question of RemoteAccess sysops
By Dan Egli
E-Mail: ninja@xmission.com
Hey RemoteAccess Sysops, I have a question for the lot of ya. I am
currently in the planning stages for a RemoteAccess utility, but
I don't really know what you all would like! I've been thinking of
making an online configuration/user editor, but I really don't know
if that would "sell" or not. So, I have come here, to ask all you
R/A sysops who have internet access to mail me your responces to my
question. Would you like an online editor? IF not what DO you want?
And what features would you like on this util, regardless of what I
finally end up coding.
Please E-Mail to the above address, as my BBS is currently down while I
get enough $$$ together to replace the toasted motherboard.
Thanks in advance!
-- Ninja
FORMERLY (NOT currently!) 1:311/5
--
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Modem flags
Modem flags (reply to Whining FIDO1107.NWS)
Snooze-Quote on:
I was here first! But that's not the real issue: the real issue
is that I can't identify those other modems except by examining
my phone bills. The nodes that I called 100 times without ever
getting a session are probably using those V.FC modems. Since
neither a Z19 flag nor a V.FC flag has been ratified, I can't use
the standard techniques to modify my setup when calling them. If
I knew who they were I could force my modem to 14.4, the highest
speed we have in common. If I could identify the other Z19
modems reliably, I could force 14.4 with any non-ZyXel V.32bis
FidoNews 11-08 Page: 10 21 Feb 1994
node. But as it stand now, I can't.
Someone needs to get going and create some new modem flags.
SnoozeQuote off:
Now quoting EPILOG.TXT for Comic Book Network
;S
;S Protocol Flag Meaning
;S ---------------------------------------------
;S
;S V21 CCITT V21 300 bps full duplex
;S V22 CCITT V22 1200 bps full duplex
;S V29 CCITT V29 9600 bps half duplex
;S V32 CCITT V32 9600 bps full duplex
;S V32b CCITT V32bis 14400 bps full duplex
;S V32t AT&T V32terbo 19200 bps full duplex
;S V33 CCITT V33
;S V34 CCITT V34
;S V42 LAP-M error correction w/fallback to MNP
;S V42b CCITT V42bis
;S MNP Microcom Networking Protocol error correction
;S H96 Hayes V9600
;S HST USR Courier HST 9600
;S H14 USR Courier HST 14.4
;S H16 USR Courier HST 16.8
;S H21 USR Courier HST 21.6
;S MAX Microcom AX/96xx series
;S PEP Packet Ensemble Protocol
;S CSP Compucom Speedmodem
;S Z16 Zyxel 16.8
;S Z19 Zyxel 19.2
;S NOTE: Many V22 modems also support Bell 212A.
Quote mode off:
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MILITARY NET INTERNATIONAL
by Martin Riley
MILITARY! NET INTERNATIONAL.
/---------\
/----------------\========================
###### / 403 C.I.S.S. )
/------------------------------------------------------\
/ ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()
() ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ()
() **** **** **** **** **** **** **** ()
() ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ()
()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()
Hi everyone! My name is Martin Riley and I am the International
Coordinator for Military Network International. Military Network
International is a young and growing Network dedicated to
serving both those who are military veterans, and military
FidoNews 11-08 Page: 11 21 Feb 1994
personnel in active service. Military Net was started during 1994
in Calgary, Alberta Canada.
(A) Military is open to everyone regardless of nationality,
age, race, color or creed. Although Military Network
International is geared towards service men and women, past or
present military experience is not required to join Military Net.
(B) Military Network is ***(G)eneral*** rated. Although
Military people have a rep for bad language, this network
does not allow it. Military Network struggles to maintain the
highest networking standards so that individuals of ALL AGES can
enjoy the network.
(C) Military Network carries over 20 echoes on several different
threads. Topics range from hobbies of all types to gaming,
firearm, and tactics.
(D) Military Network is very small but growing fast.
If you feel you would like to become part of our growing network,
then please file request MILITARY.ZIP from 1:134/95 or 1:134/98
Fido Network Nodes.
Thanks for allow me to post this Fido News!
Martin.
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VIOLD
Announcing DEC's Vision Impaired On-Line Documentation CD-ROM
Dear Colleagues:
Several months ago I announced Digital's intent to produce an exciting
new CD-ROM product for blind and vision impaired persons. Today that
product is now a reality called Vision Impaired On-Line Documentation
or simply, VIOLD.
VIOLD is a collection of current Digital product documentation in ASCII
text format and distributed on an ISO 9660 formatted CD-ROM. The VIOLD
CD-ROM provides platform independent access to information for our
vision impaired customers. You can flexibly output the documentation to
a braille printer, refreshable braille display, and DECtalk speech
synthesizer!
You can purchase VIOLD on a one-time basis or as a subscription (update
service). Order VIOLD today by dialing 1-800-DIGITAL (1-800-344-4825).
Once the voicemail operator answers, Press 1. The VIOLD part numbers to
request are:
VIOLD Documentation Kit: QA-2FFAA-G8 ($225.00)
VIOLD Consolidated Documentation Update Service: QT-2FFAA-C8 ($528.00)
If you are a customer who resides outside of the USA, please call your
FidoNews 11-08 Page: 12 21 Feb 1994
local Digital Sales office and ask for VIOLD. It is a world-wide
product. Should you have any problems please don't hesitate to call me.
My telephone number is located at the end of this E-mail.
Let me assure you that you can take this CD and install it on any CD
reader that is ISO 9660 compliant and read it using most operating
systems. You have total accessibility to over 225 volumes of Digital
Equipment computer reference documentation at a cost of about $1.00 per
book! An absolute bargain for anyone!
VIOLD's list of new books is growing. Subsequent versions will include
Alpha, RDB, OSF, and PathWorks. We will continue to update and revise
the documentation already on VIOLD. We are looking at including
PC-based documentation from 3rd-party vendors. Finally, we are looking
to build an accessible cross-platform viewing engine. We would love to
hear what you would like for us to add to this new product.
There is one favor that I'd like to request from you personally. In
order to ensure that we are providing a product that is useful to our
vision impaired customers, we'd like to get your response to the
following questions. This will take less than 10 minutes of your time
and I'd be personally grateful to hear from you. I guarantee that I
will respond to your thoughts and questions.
1) Do you (or your institution/corporation) plan on purchasing VIOLD?
2) If you do plan to purchase it, when? (Give a time frame in months,
starting from Feb. 1, 1994)
3) If you do not plan to purchase it, why not?
4) Whether you plan to purchase VIOLD or not, how do you think we can
improve the product?
5) Would you like us to send you a VIOLD mailer (it's overlayed with
Braille)?
6) Please provide us with your name, institution/corporation, address,
and phone number if you would like us to call you about VIOLD!
Thanks so much for taking the time to read this. Once again, we truly
appreciate your help in making VIOLD a reality! And please, by all
means spread the word! You are welcome to copy this mail to any other
listserv or bulletin board system.
Regards,
Michael G. Paciello
Digital Equipment Corporation
Program Manager
Vision Impaired Information Services (VIIS)
110 Spit Brook Road
Nashua, NH. USA 03062
Phone: (603) 881-1831
TDD: (603) 881-0437
FidoNews 11-08 Page: 13 21 Feb 1994
Internet: Paciello@Shane.Enet.Dec.Com
Vice-Chair: International Committee for Accessible Document Design (ICADD)
Member: Electronics Industries Association/Assistive Devices Division
(EIA/ADD)
Member: Project EASI
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MILHISTORY: Military History echo
Robert Adams, (1:2201/38)
radams@cs.wmich.edu
====================================================================
* Area : NETMAIL (FastEcho Netmail Area)
* From : EchoList, 1:1/201 (Mon 07-Feb-1994 09:39)
* To : Robert Adams
* About: MOD UPD accepted for edition 403.
====================================================================
Area Tag MILHISTORY addition successful!
This entry will be published in The International EchoList edition 403
scheduled for release 1-Mar-94.
Following is the current database entry:
Tagname: MILHISTORY Area Key: MLHSTRY
Title: Military History
Description: A general conference for the discussion of military history;
events, tactics, equipment, munitions and armaments, rules
of land and naval warfare, etc. Discussions range from
ancient to recent events. Participants are welcome to
discuss any non- current event. Pseudonyms are not permitted
in this echo.
Origin:
Distribution: 1:3634/2
Gateways:
# Nodes: 26 Volume: 60/Week Rule File:
Flags:
Moderators: Robert Adams, 1:2201/38@fidonet
David Kirschbaum, 1:3634/2.4@fidonet
=====================================================================
* MilliHelen, n.: Measurement of beauty required to launch a single ship.
FidoNews 11-08 Page: 14 21 Feb 1994
========================================================================
Fidonews Information
========================================================================
------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ----------------
Editors: Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees, Tim Pozar
Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Perriello,
Tom Jennings
IMPORTANT NOTE: The FidoNet address of the FidoNews BBS has been
changed!!! Please make a note of this.
"FidoNews" BBS
FidoNet 1:1/23
BBS +1-519-570-4176, 300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(DS)
Internet addresses:
Don & Sylvia (submission address)
editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
Sylvia -- max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
Donald -- donald@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
Tim -- pozar@kumr.lns.com
(Postal Service mailing address) (have extreme patience)
FidoNews
128 Church St.
Kitchener, Ontario
Canada
N2H 2S4
Published weekly by and for the members of the FidoNet international
amateur electronic mail system. It is a compilation of individual
articles contributed by their authors or their authorized agents. The
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