1300 lines
64 KiB
Plaintext
1300 lines
64 KiB
Plaintext
Volume 6, Number 30 24 July 1989
|
||
+---------------------------------------------------------------+
|
||
| _ |
|
||
| / \ |
|
||
| /|oo \ |
|
||
| - FidoNews - (_| /_) |
|
||
| _`@/_ \ _ |
|
||
| International | | \ \\ |
|
||
| FidoNet Association | (*) | \ )) |
|
||
| Newsletter ______ |__U__| / \// |
|
||
| / FIDO \ _//|| _\ / |
|
||
| (________) (_/(_|(____/ |
|
||
| (jm) |
|
||
+---------------------------------------------------------------+
|
||
Editor in Chief: Vince Perriello
|
||
Editors Emeritii: Dale Lovell
|
||
Thom Henderson
|
||
Chief Procrastinator Emeritus: Tom Jennings
|
||
|
||
FidoNews is published weekly by the International FidoNet
|
||
Association as its official newsletter. You are encouraged to
|
||
submit articles for publication in FidoNews. Article submission
|
||
standards are contained in the file ARTSPEC.DOC, available from
|
||
node 1:1/1. 1:1/1 is a Continuous Mail system, available for
|
||
network mail 24 hours a day.
|
||
|
||
Copyright 1989 by the International FidoNet Association. All
|
||
rights reserved. Duplication and/or distribution permitted for
|
||
noncommercial purposes only. For use in other circumstances,
|
||
please contact IFNA at (314) 576-4067. IFNA may also be contacted
|
||
at PO Box 41143, St. Louis, MO 63141.
|
||
|
||
Fido and FidoNet are registered trademarks of Tom Jennings of
|
||
Fido Software, 164 Shipley Avenue, San Francisco, CA 94107 and
|
||
are used with permission.
|
||
|
||
We don't necessarily agree with the contents of every article
|
||
published here. Most of these materials are unsolicited. No
|
||
article will be rejected which is properly attributed and legally
|
||
acceptable. We will publish every responsible submission
|
||
received.
|
||
|
||
|
||
Table of Contents
|
||
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
|
||
The Resignation of David Dodell .......................... 1
|
||
2. ARTICLES ................................................. 3
|
||
Thoughts ................................................. 3
|
||
A Response to Doug Thompson & jim nutt ................... 7
|
||
Democracy...Is it for you? ............................... 11
|
||
Democracy in Fidonet? Ramblings of a madman .............. 14
|
||
An open letter from Dan Steurer .......................... 16
|
||
3. WANTED ................................................... 17
|
||
Investment Echo .......................................... 17
|
||
4. LATEST VERSIONS .......................................... 18
|
||
And more!
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 1 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
EDITORIAL
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
|
||
Here's something you might not have seen yet, if you don't read
|
||
the comments published in the weekly nodediff:
|
||
|
||
[start of quote]
|
||
|
||
This is perhaps one of the saddest notices I have written in the
|
||
nodediff. I have tended my resignation as the International
|
||
Coordinator of Fidonet to the FidoNet Zone Council. I will be
|
||
staying on in the position to facilitate the smooth transistion
|
||
to the next IC, however I will not be hearing any policy
|
||
complaints at this time. In other words, I will stay as long as
|
||
it takes to get a successor in place, and will do what is
|
||
necessary to keep the network technically operational, anything
|
||
else will need to wait until the next IC is installed.
|
||
|
||
For the reasons why, this will be expounded in an article in
|
||
FidoNews sometime in the next month. Ignore the rumors that I'm
|
||
sure that will start up as soon as word starts spreading. Nobody
|
||
is authorized to claim that a certain event, individual or
|
||
anything else caused my resignation. I was not forced or asked
|
||
by anyone to resign. I did this because I needed a break from
|
||
the administrative workings of the network, and wanted to start
|
||
devoting my time and energy into some of my favorite projects.
|
||
|
||
[end of quote]
|
||
|
||
That's right, folks. David Dodell has stepped down from his
|
||
position as International Coordinator.
|
||
|
||
Friends of David, don't weep for him. He's done his best. Now
|
||
it's time for someone else to do the job. And it's time for
|
||
David to devote some time to his personal interests, which have
|
||
been neglected far too long. That includes his lovely wife, Amy.
|
||
|
||
Enemies of David, don't rejoice over some apparent victory.
|
||
You've won NOTHING. Until we all recognize that we're in the
|
||
middle of wars that will result in total unity or total
|
||
destruction, and we're all pointed towards unity, nothing can be
|
||
gained through anyone's arrival or departure from the stage.
|
||
|
||
I personally wanted David to resign some time ago. But it had
|
||
nothing to do with power trips or anything. I thought that he
|
||
had had enough. That he should take up his life again. Let
|
||
someone else deal with this stuff. At one point, he was very
|
||
close to doing just that. I still think it unfortunate that he
|
||
decided to continue then. Just as I am happy for him now.
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 2 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
This job I have as FidoNews editor can often be very painful.
|
||
The worst part, however, has been printing articles accusing
|
||
David of being on some kind of "power trip". Nothing could be
|
||
further from the truth. David is just not that kind of person.
|
||
What has been true, throughout, is that David has a vision of
|
||
what he has wanted FidoNet to be. It's a nice vision. One that
|
||
we could all share. What also has been true is that David has a
|
||
vision of how that needs to be accomplished. I don't completely
|
||
share that vision. Many don't share it at all. It has to do
|
||
with centralized authority and unquestioned leadership. But what
|
||
that meant was that as long as David held power, he had to
|
||
exercise it. Hence the apparent "power trip". Sorry if this
|
||
disillusions some of you folks, but David only used the power
|
||
because he thought he had to, not because he was drunk with it.
|
||
|
||
I can't say that FidoNet will be a better place because of David.
|
||
Right now it looks like the jury is out on what it will be. But
|
||
whether you want to believe it or not, it would almost certainly
|
||
would have been a worse place without David. The next person to
|
||
hold this job has my sympathy in advance.
|
||
|
||
Best of luck, David. And THANKS!!
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 3 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
ARTICLES
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
Thoughts
|
||
By Butch Walker, 161/2
|
||
|
||
As August draws near, I wanted to give you some thoughts, and
|
||
some history. What follows will not become an epic, nor will it
|
||
be repeated around campfires, but maybe will give you some
|
||
perspective.
|
||
|
||
My first experience with Computer Tele-communications was in
|
||
1978. I had formed a Pension Administration company with an
|
||
Attorney and a CPA. We needed to communicate with a mainframe,
|
||
so we purchased a Dec LA36. Basically a dumb terminal (keyboard,
|
||
line printer, and 300 baud modem with an acoustic coupler). That
|
||
was okay for a while but it was slow and expensive. Everything
|
||
was entered on line, real time. In 1979 I personally spent
|
||
$20,000 for a CPT 8000, which consisted of a 48k 8080, 2 8"
|
||
floppies, keyboard, monitor, internal 300 baud modem, special
|
||
Diablo letter quality printer, dual sheet feeders, etc. Man all
|
||
that power in one location. [grin]
|
||
|
||
In 1980, I sold my agency, my share in the PA firm, and my share
|
||
in a partnership and took a position that brought me to
|
||
California. With me came my CPT. Late 1980 or early 1981, CPT
|
||
released a CP/M disk for the machine and it became a data
|
||
processor. I and a couple of others started writing programs in
|
||
CBasic for our company. The CPT was in Oakland and I lived in
|
||
Clayton, so I decided to get a micro for the house. After months
|
||
of shopping I purchased mail order an S100 machine with 64k, two
|
||
1.2mb 8" floppies, CRT, and a 300 baud modem card. All for the
|
||
amazingly low price of $3,800.
|
||
|
||
At night I'd put BYE.COM up on the CPT and if I needed something
|
||
I'd pull it off. I also called a few CP/M boards both locally
|
||
and back in Michigan. Boy, what a deal!
|
||
|
||
By 1984 it was obvious that IBM and the clones were here to stay.
|
||
Also, the S100 machine was on it's last legs. Parts were
|
||
impossible to find, nothing was standardized, and I was tired of
|
||
trying to do the repair work myself, so I bought a Leading Edge
|
||
Model M, plus an expansion chassis, a 10mb hrad drive and a 5mb
|
||
Syquest removable cartridge drive. Boy I was in heaven, 640k of
|
||
ram, two 360k floppies, and 15mb of hard disk storage all for
|
||
only $6,500. I also bought a Hayes 1200 internal modem. It was
|
||
now the big time folks. [grin]
|
||
|
||
In the fall of 1985 I needed to set up a bulletin board for a
|
||
users group. I looked at RBBS, PC-Board, and several others.
|
||
Mike Kelleher was running Fido. After talking to Mike, reading
|
||
the docs, it seemed that Fido provided the answer to the problem.
|
||
In October of 1985 I brought up a one line Fido at 1200 baud. At
|
||
that time only Nets 125 & 143 existed in the Bay Area. I applied
|
||
for a node number, but was told I'd have to apply as a regional
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 4 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
independant as I was too far away from from either net. So
|
||
10/625 TBLUG came up in November of 1985.
|
||
|
||
By January of '86 I went to two lines. My company bought an IBM
|
||
AT, which I took up to 8mhz, I added a JRam AT card and brought
|
||
up Multilink, put on two Courier 2400's and away we went. Well,
|
||
some of the time anyway. Multilink loved to hang. Sometimes I
|
||
thought the system was down more than it was up. My wife used to
|
||
hate it when I tried to loggon from home only to discover the
|
||
system was hung. Away I'd go to the office, regardless of the
|
||
time of day or night.
|
||
|
||
In February, Mike Kelleher told me to log on to Harv's board and
|
||
check out something called echomail. At that time echomail
|
||
involved a few boards in Dallas and Harv in San Francisco. Mike
|
||
and I both jumped on the bandwagon. Ah the early days. Mucho
|
||
bugs in scanmail and tossmail. Thousands of dupes, processing
|
||
mail by hand using Fido's external mail event. Arcing it
|
||
ourselves, manually uploading it, unarcing it and processing
|
||
manually.
|
||
|
||
Detroit (my brother Don) coming on line, then Tampa (Wes Cowley),
|
||
Atlanta (Ken Shackleford), New York/New Jersey (Gee Wong), New
|
||
Hampshire (Bob Hartman), Cleveland (Phil Ardussi). Aha, the
|
||
first echomail backbone.
|
||
|
||
In the spring of '86 it was apparent that there were quite a few
|
||
regional independants in the East Bay, and the valley that might
|
||
want to form a net. I decided to see what could be done, and Net
|
||
161 came into being. Due to geography it made a great deal of
|
||
sense to set up hubs from the beginning, so Mike Kelleher wrote
|
||
another WalkBro & Kelleher almost useful utility to create hub
|
||
routing files. Mike and I set up the routing and a few of the
|
||
pioneers met in Fairfield to organize the net.
|
||
|
||
In September of '86 the echomail backbone was formalized. We had
|
||
a meeting in Chicago specifically for that purpose. My brother
|
||
Don and Mike Bader came over from Detroit, Phil Ardussi from
|
||
Cleveland, Jon Sabol from Dallas, Bob Hartman from New Hampshire,
|
||
Gee Wong and Thom Henderson from New Jersey. Topology was
|
||
mapped, the idea of an echomail policy was discussed, 84
|
||
commercials for SeaDog were listened too [grin], Arcmail was fine
|
||
tuned, and Opus was discussed (we were already beta testing it at
|
||
the time). Heck I even paid Hartman for Renum.
|
||
|
||
It was about the same time that we took the Net161 echo regional
|
||
for all NorCal nets. Probably the first ever. It was a fun and
|
||
exciting time. The net was growing by leaps and bounds, Fidonet
|
||
was growing, echomail was booming, other than mikey, IFNA, and a
|
||
few other things fun times were had by all. The Dobyns Award was
|
||
created and handed out with vigor.
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 5 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
In the summer of '87 my office burnt to the ground, taking the
|
||
echomail distribution machine with it. Four hours later, my home
|
||
system was moving the echomail once again. Only a handful of
|
||
messages were never disributed. A few months later, due to an
|
||
error in judgement, I got appointed Zone 1 Echomail Coordinator.
|
||
Boy, I really had no idea what I was getting into, but someone
|
||
needed to do it.
|
||
|
||
In the early summer of '88 I decided it was time to let someone
|
||
else have the fun of being net host, and conned Diane Smith into
|
||
taking over. Again Net 161 made Fidonet history as Diane was the
|
||
first female host ever. August of '88 brought Fidocon, and I had
|
||
been conned by my other brother Mark into speaking. For a while
|
||
it looked as if I wasn't going to make it. But finally I took a
|
||
redeye into Cinci and arrived there early in the morning. Heck I
|
||
can't even remember if it was Thursday or Friday. That night we
|
||
went until 5:00am working on compromises on an echomail policy,
|
||
maybe I only made it until 3am, shoot I don't remember. All I
|
||
know is that I was one tired camper. I gave two talks, one on
|
||
Multitasking and BBS's, and one on Echomail.
|
||
|
||
Last winter enough was enough, and I resigned as ZEC. I decided
|
||
it was time for someone else to wear the target on their back,
|
||
and I would retire to being a normal (if there is such a thing)
|
||
sysop. Late December through late January brought more changes
|
||
in my personal life, and now I prepare to move to Cleveland Ohio
|
||
and return to school after a 20 year absence. While I still plan
|
||
on being in Fidonet (I'm already in the nodelist in Net 157), my
|
||
role will be a very minor one.
|
||
|
||
I'd like to think I accomplished some good. Net 161 has spun off
|
||
three nets (203, 205 & 208) and helped start a fourth (204). I
|
||
think Net 161 has helped set an example of how a net can function
|
||
without problems, personality conflicts, or turmoil. We helped
|
||
bring echomail & Opus to Fidonet. We've beta tested Opus, Lynx,
|
||
SeaDog, Binkley, Confmail, the original echomail utilities, and
|
||
multitudes of Fidonet related utilities. We've written utilities
|
||
for Fidonet. We started a Net Newsletter that almost had more
|
||
readership internationally than Fidonews at one time. 161/2 has
|
||
feed Region 10, 17, 19, 14, Malaysia, England, and others
|
||
echomail over the years. In fact 161/2 has probably pumped out
|
||
millions of echomail messages since February of '86. Heck I have
|
||
the failed hard drives to prove it. [grin]
|
||
|
||
I've had fun, I've experienced frustration, I've been praised and
|
||
been called many unprintable names. I've made some good friends
|
||
around the world, and probably some enemies as well. I just hope
|
||
that over time I'll be remembered as someone who cared and
|
||
contributed what he could.
|
||
|
||
Thanks for the memories.
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 6 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 7 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
A Response to Doug Thompson
|
||
by Phil Buonomo (1:107/583, 7:520/583, 9:807/1)
|
||
|
||
I would like to thank Doug Thompson for his insightful article of
|
||
last week's FidoNews. It is obvious that Doug was taken by David
|
||
Dodell and believed everything DD said. This is not meant to
|
||
imply anything about the veracity of DD, or Doug's perception of
|
||
what was said. What I intend to do is to merely point out that
|
||
the claims of Mr. Dodell do not seem to fit the facts. In his
|
||
article, Doug said:
|
||
|
||
1) David assured me that no one would be removed from the
|
||
nodelist for any opinion or statement about policy 4,
|
||
including an expressed refusal to comply with it. The only
|
||
grounds for excommunication remain technical and *repeated*
|
||
violations of policy must occur before an excommunication
|
||
would occur. That is to say a violation will get you a
|
||
warning, repeat violations can get you excommunicated.
|
||
Refusing the acknowledge the legitimacy of policy 4 can't
|
||
get you either.
|
||
|
||
In fidonet it continues to be "legal" to speak your mind and
|
||
say darned near anything you want without fear of direct
|
||
punishment. Our coordinators will not be taking a cue from
|
||
the Ayatollah and issuing death-warrants for calling
|
||
Mohammed a devil, cursing Tom Jennings' mother or even,
|
||
presumably, cursing their coordinator.
|
||
|
||
Unfortunately, Doug apparently either did not see, or forgot the
|
||
following message that was printed, right here in FidoNews,
|
||
between Jim Grubs and Steve Bonine, Jim's RC, and the recent
|
||
secretly elected new Zone 1 ZC:
|
||
|
||
>JG> The question which remains unanswered is the legitimacy of
|
||
>JG> Policy 4. You can neither excommunicate nor canonize
|
||
>JG> under a policy document that was not legally adopted.
|
||
>JG> The rules under which it was adopted were made up
|
||
>JG> unilaterally as the process went along. Furthermore, I was
|
||
>JG> not a part of the process. The *C's can enter into all
|
||
>JG> the agreements among themselves they want to. They can't
|
||
>JG> force people who were not a party to that agreement to
|
||
>JG> comply with it. I could organize a bunch of sysops and
|
||
>JG> 'pass' Policy 7-requiring the *C's to wear mirrored
|
||
>JG> eyeshades and carry nerf bats, too. So, what? Do as you
|
||
>JG> wish. You will anyway.
|
||
>JG> 73 de Jim Grubs, W8GRT
|
||
|
||
SB> I am accepting the above message as an affirmation of your
|
||
SB> desire to terminate your relationship with FidoNet since
|
||
SB> you do not wish to observe FidoNet policy. I will remove
|
||
SB> your nodelist entry, effective immediately. Thank you for
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 8 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
SB> your past contributions to FidoNet, many of which have been
|
||
SB> positive. Should you have a change of heart and decide that
|
||
SB> you are willing to be bound by FidoNet policy, please
|
||
SB> re-apply for a node number.
|
||
|
||
Those are Steve Bonine's exact words, friends. This is the man
|
||
whom David Dodell wishes to be the new ZC1 of FidoNet, YOUR ZC!
|
||
Of course, when Jim Grubs appealed this action to David Dodell
|
||
himself, his appeal was rejected and he was removed from the
|
||
nodelist, supposedly for ONE bombing run! That doesn't sound
|
||
like REPEATED technical violations to me. How about YOU?
|
||
|
||
Next, Doug raises the following point:
|
||
|
||
2) David expressed surprise at the result of the p4 vote.
|
||
He had expected it to be defeated. So had I.
|
||
Understandably this intensifies my concern that the room
|
||
allowed for electoral abuses actually might well have been
|
||
used more than once or twice.
|
||
|
||
It is interesting that he should say this. David Dodell
|
||
'repealed' the ECHOPOL1 doc that was put in place via a voting
|
||
mechanism similar to that which passed POLICY4, due to claimed
|
||
'irregularities' in the voting. If that is so, and he's
|
||
'surprised' at the vote for Policy 4, and considering the
|
||
'irregularities' that have come to light in the meantime, why has
|
||
Mr. Dodell not 'repealed' Policy 4?
|
||
|
||
Another point:
|
||
|
||
Excommunicating a node if it is at all possible not to is
|
||
directly equivalent to a bank burning hundred dollar bills
|
||
because they cause some annoyance. It is an attack on the
|
||
very fundamental basics of the whole operation.
|
||
|
||
Then why has Steve Bonine so cavalierly thrown sysops and whole
|
||
NETS out of the nodelist, only to have said actions confirmed by
|
||
David Dodell? Hell, he's been REWARDED for those actions by
|
||
being made the next ZC!
|
||
|
||
5) So we agree we have lots of problems with policy 4, and
|
||
we agree that the best bet is to forge ahead with a policy 5
|
||
process that will aim at learning from our mistakes.
|
||
|
||
I would suggest that the IFNA BoD be allowed to vote on accepting
|
||
Policy 4 (as the precedent was set with adoption of the last
|
||
policy) before we 'forge ahead' with a Policy 5. In 3 weeks we
|
||
may be back operating under Policy 3! ;-)
|
||
|
||
Policy 4 bans the use of encryption which I find slightly
|
||
bewildering since it is being so rapidly embraced by the
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 9 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
rest of the world, and enhances the value of e-mail so much.
|
||
That is the sort of decision which is wholly political since
|
||
the "technology" would be mostly unaffected.
|
||
|
||
Since Policy 4 does this, it is in direct violation of the
|
||
Electronic Communications and Privacy Act of 1986, which makes it
|
||
illegal to tamper with electronic communications. No matter how
|
||
many times Mr. Dodell claims that FidoNet is an 'amateur'
|
||
operation in his Policy document, it STILL falls under this law.
|
||
|
||
It is for that reason, and those like it that I wrote this
|
||
article. Plainly, SOMEONE's getting a snow job here, be it Doug,
|
||
myself, or ALL of us!
|
||
|
||
Phil
|
||
|
||
P.S. Some quick answers to jim nutt's questions:
|
||
|
||
Have any of these people who are complaining actually taken
|
||
a look at the work it takes to be an *C?
|
||
|
||
Lots of work, but then again, so does being a fireman. Does that
|
||
give him the right to say whether you can have a telephone number
|
||
listed in the phone book?
|
||
|
||
What power does a *C REALLY have? I mean, there isn't
|
||
really anything there to get on a power trip over, now, is
|
||
there?
|
||
|
||
Depends. He has the power to say whether your friends can send
|
||
you mail or not. If there's no 'power' to protect, why did the
|
||
RC's write a policy document electing the *C structure for life?
|
||
|
||
Do the vast majority of sysops even care about the petty
|
||
bickering that is going on over Policy4?
|
||
|
||
Funny. I don't see any petty bickering. But if you're asking if
|
||
they're concerned over the discussion going on, I don't know.
|
||
But they SHOULD be. It affects them directly.
|
||
|
||
Are alternative networks the solution? (I say no, if
|
||
anything, they are in worse shape than Fidonet)
|
||
|
||
From my own experience, I can name two that are in much BETTER
|
||
shape than FidoNet. I don't think they're the solution to
|
||
FidoNet's problems though. If I did, I'd quit FidoNet.
|
||
|
||
Is the main reason for all the complaining about policy
|
||
simply a case of too much free time and too little real
|
||
work?
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 10 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
Not in my case. I have a two month old son I've been sitting up
|
||
with every night. I've 2 other small children that have to be
|
||
cared for. I've been trying to hold down the fort in a 3 person
|
||
programming department with one employee (me) for a major food
|
||
distribution firm. I've been trying to set up a national
|
||
GroupMail Distribution system for EVERYONE to enjoy, and I've
|
||
been writing like crazy for FidoNews about the injustices of the
|
||
system. Why? Because I CARE.
|
||
|
||
Why in the world would anybody WANT to be a *C?!?!?
|
||
|
||
Some people do it for all the right reasons. Many (several RC's
|
||
and a ZC/IC come to mind) do it for the feeling of 'authority'
|
||
they get out of the job. Why else are people liquidated for
|
||
refusing to 'cowtow' to the powers that be? Why are networks
|
||
eliminated for 'the good of FidoNet'? What good did it do me to
|
||
have Net 154 removed? Now I can't talk to 'em! (I guess some
|
||
people just think that its for my own good... ;-)
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 11 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
Steve Boyd
|
||
104/421
|
||
|
||
Democracy...is it for YOU?
|
||
|
||
I may or may not represent the average sysop. I received my
|
||
first computer in 1983, a Texas Instruments TI99/4A. I was
|
||
immediately taken by what this simple machine could do for me.
|
||
Soon I realized that the TI99/4A was destined for demise, and
|
||
purchased a Commodore 64 (with my pay as an E-2 in the Air Force,
|
||
and a wife and two kids, it was almost more than I could bear
|
||
financially), which was surprisingly similar in operation. Soon,
|
||
I took the plunge, and bought my first modem, a 300 bauder that I
|
||
had to manually dial out with my phone, and flip a switch to pass
|
||
control of the call to the modem. What I found on the telephone
|
||
lines astounded me! to be able to connect my computer with
|
||
another and exchange information, be it programs or messages, was
|
||
the end to my means. I could consult my gurus (sysops) with a
|
||
simple phone call, and ask for, and receive, any information and
|
||
assistance I was in need of. Soon the addiction took over, and I
|
||
was hooked into my computer for good.
|
||
|
||
I moved to Denver in 1987, and had already decided that I would
|
||
be setting up a BBS. Once I had acquired the proper equipment
|
||
for my C-64 (no small task...try setting up a Commodore with 11
|
||
megs on-line!), I started my first, and VERY successful, attempt
|
||
at a BBS, The Dark Crystal. The users were enthusiastic, as was
|
||
I, and we quickly grew to 250+ users. I decided then that in
|
||
order to speed up my message base, I would have to upgrade the
|
||
computer to an IBM compatible, and chose QuickBBS for my BBS.
|
||
The Dark Crystal has taken many turns, and has changed and
|
||
adapted to those changes, but nothing so rudely changed my
|
||
attitude towards being a SysOp as did my induction to FiDoNet.
|
||
|
||
I make no bones about it...I joined FidoNet to get the CBM and
|
||
Amiga echos...I, to this day, have both users online here
|
||
regularly, as well as the Tandy CoCo crowd. Policy 3 was in
|
||
effect, and until I specifically asked for a copy of this policy,
|
||
I had little idea of what it said, let alone how it was adopted.
|
||
Sheer ignorance, and perhaps the burning desire to furnish my
|
||
users with the best BBS I could offer, allowed me to join FidoNet
|
||
under the existing circumstances. I knew nothing about the net
|
||
as a whole, and found, much to my elation, that the sysops here
|
||
were the same as the sysops i had grown to appreciate...helpful,
|
||
courteous, and friendly. With the help of a few Denverites, I
|
||
was up and running and learning about the technical side of
|
||
operating as a node in FidoNet. Soon, I was acting as a hub for
|
||
echomail, and generally accepted in the local net as, at least, a
|
||
person that could be counted on.
|
||
|
||
But a funny thing happened on the way to that point...I found
|
||
that certain sysops (and that is all we are, no?) took pleasure
|
||
in IMPOSING their will upon the whole of FidoNet. At first, I
|
||
realized that with a structure as big as this, controls were
|
||
neccesary, and certain things could not be tolerated. Exposing
|
||
SysOps to unnecceasry costs, causing technical snafus, etc., were
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 12 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
all reasonable requests...but I sensed that perhaps those in
|
||
power (imposing term, no?) were quietly slipping beyond the line
|
||
of helping us to stay in step, and were starting to mold the
|
||
individuals into what *THEY* thought we should be. I started to
|
||
go through policy a bit more thouroughly, as before it was but a
|
||
mere inconvienience to follow, and found that I, the individual
|
||
node in FidoNet, could do little to prevent this from
|
||
proprogating into a full-fledged dictatorship, in which the *C
|
||
structure mandated everything, and I would be compelled to comply
|
||
if I desired a node number in this "hobbyist" network. Policy 4
|
||
was brought into being, and that which I had feared the most was
|
||
brought into being, though in a way that even I had not imagined.
|
||
The NCs were cut out of the process altogether! The RC and ZC
|
||
structure took it upon themselves to install themselves as judge,
|
||
jury, and executioner as far as policy was concerned. The RCs
|
||
are appointed by the ZCs, who in turn are appointed by the RCs.
|
||
Once you are able to clarify this, and the dizzying effect it has
|
||
could cause you to stop and ponder for a while, you realize that
|
||
the upper-echelon of FidoNet is untouchable by you and I, the
|
||
individual sysop that FidoNet is based on.
|
||
|
||
Is this a problem? Are you directly affected by this? Has
|
||
FidoNet grown beyond the point that it is ineffective in
|
||
administering to the needs of the individual sysop? All
|
||
questions are personal in nature, and until YOU decide to look
|
||
into the way things are currently being handled will YOU come to
|
||
a decision. I have made that assesment, and have come to the
|
||
following conclusions:
|
||
|
||
1. I, as a lowly sysop in this network, have no say in the
|
||
administration of it.
|
||
|
||
2. I, as a lowly sysop in this network, MUST conform or risk the
|
||
ultimate penalty...excommunication!
|
||
|
||
3. I, as a lowly sysop in this network, do not matter in the
|
||
large scheme of things, but rather, am a pawn to be toyed
|
||
with.
|
||
|
||
4. I, am a lowly sysop in this network, am VERY dissatisfied with
|
||
the power brokers, AS A WHOLE, of FidoNet.
|
||
|
||
It matters not who is in charge...it matters not how fair and
|
||
impartial they are...it matters not what their intentions. The
|
||
fact of the matter is the RC/ZC totally control FidoNet, and are
|
||
under no obligation to consult anyone out of their circle to make
|
||
changes. This is conceptually unacceptable, and steps are being
|
||
taken to erradicate the situation.
|
||
|
||
Policy 5.XX is being developed by sysops at large, and being
|
||
coordinated by Jason Steck at 104/424. A large part of the
|
||
developement process is taking place in both the DEMOCRACY echo
|
||
and the SYSOP echo, and POL5_DEM is *CLOSE* to being on the
|
||
backbone. This is a policy that falls back a few steps, and
|
||
places he importance of the individual node back into the
|
||
limelight, where it always should have been. Though Policy 4 is
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 13 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
in effect, and we, by default, are bound by it, we are by no
|
||
means left without recourse. The *C structure is not the demon
|
||
some will believe; in fact, the *C structure has offered more
|
||
encouragement and support than the general populace. I urge YOU,
|
||
the lowly sysop in the huge net, to at least familiarize yourself
|
||
with this proposed policy, and take whatever action YOU deem
|
||
neccesary. After all, to demand that you see my point in this
|
||
would be hypocritical, no? All I ask is that YOU look into the
|
||
matter, whether it is FIDONEWS, the DEMOCRACY, SYSOP, or POL5_DEM
|
||
echoes, or simply ask your NC what he/she feels about the
|
||
situation. Form your own opinion, see what Policy 4 actually
|
||
says, see what we are trying to implement, and, if you feel
|
||
motovated by your findings, act accordingly. Too many of us are
|
||
sitting on our hands, willing to accept what is thrown at us. At
|
||
least form an opinion of what is going on, as WE may be wrong
|
||
about the feelings of the net as a whole...the silent majority
|
||
(VERY silent, and VERY large) is being claimed by both sides in
|
||
this arguement.
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 14 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
Ravings, Cravings, and Mush Thoughts.
|
||
|
||
I feel like I'm getting sucked into the swirl of the discussion
|
||
for which probably much to much has already been said. But like
|
||
most humans I have an opion and the genetic flaws in my brain
|
||
make me feel like I owe it to the world to espouse them. The
|
||
editors comments, to this reader, in Fidonews 628 show a lack of
|
||
understanding of the perspective for the guys who are on the
|
||
"outside" of any dictatorship looking in. It does not matter
|
||
whether the dictators are good guys or bad guys...they have set
|
||
themselves up as targets. The fundamental problem is one of the
|
||
"outsiders" versus the "insiders".....or I'm in the "club" or
|
||
not. Thats just basic human psychology. Let me relate a story
|
||
from my past that may be similar to whats happening in the net
|
||
right now.
|
||
|
||
I was put in charge as the systems programmer of our labs VAX
|
||
11/780. And did my best to do all the right things to insure
|
||
security and uptime to the max extent possible. In my quest to
|
||
make sure I didn't allow anything to go haywire I did not allow
|
||
anyone to have system privileges except by direct appeal to me.
|
||
In other words I had the keys to the kingdom and I was the gate
|
||
master. Well this to me seemed to be a good arrangement since I
|
||
would know when anyone was doing anything "funny" on the system.
|
||
Well this one guy was given DIRIO...which means he could do
|
||
unrestricted calls to the device drivers of the operating system.
|
||
His reason for having it...over my objections...had been for
|
||
speeding up his I/O for a government contact the lab was working
|
||
on.
|
||
|
||
Well about 9 o'clock on a Friday I get this call that the system
|
||
is down and would I come in to see what the problem was. I did
|
||
and found 3 packs wiped and the system pack trashed. Needless to
|
||
say I found the problem after taking all weekend to reset the
|
||
system up and promptly locked Mr. DIRIOs account out until I
|
||
could get a chance to talk(and beat up) to him. On Monday....all
|
||
hell broke lose...I was called in before the lab director and
|
||
told that I was being a tyrant and that I was to let his people
|
||
have whatever they needed to do their work or I would be
|
||
relieved! So I wrote a memo that afternoon that stated as the
|
||
syspgmer I would no longer restrict privileges and would only
|
||
require a letter stating what and why the access would be
|
||
required and it would be granted. This lasted about 2 weeks
|
||
before users got tired of the unacceptable system performance and
|
||
numerous crashes or hangs. I was called in again....but this
|
||
time I had the upperhand and made the lab director setup a board
|
||
of user representatives to consider how and who would be given
|
||
access and at what level. AMAZING all of a sudden I became
|
||
everyones friend and no longer the tyrant systems programmer that
|
||
everyone had to beg to get access. Also the system ran just as
|
||
well and I didn't have the hassle of playing "he's a good
|
||
guy/he's not a good guy".
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 15 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
Please take note of this experience. I learned the hard way what
|
||
being the gatemaster can be like. Also if we setup a democratic
|
||
system then when they start to complain then there will be a body
|
||
that they can address their complaints to. This will relieve the
|
||
*Cs from playing judge and jury and let them do what they do best
|
||
and not having people throw mud in their faces. I for one
|
||
wouldn't want to be in their position as long as the current
|
||
situation remains...I out grew that with that VAX back in 1982.
|
||
|
||
FIDONET NEEDS TO GET ON WITH THE BUSINESS OF BETTER NETWORKING
|
||
NOT BICKERING!!!!!!!!
|
||
|
||
David I Winters
|
||
"The Rambling Sysop"
|
||
|
||
MCI: 328-8890
|
||
FAX: 9503288890
|
||
CIS: 73327,1075
|
||
ARPA: sac.23bms-do@e.isi.edu
|
||
Fido: 281/10(route to 777/1)
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 16 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
An OPEN letter from Dan Steurer, sysop, 1:170/405:
|
||
|
||
To all RC, NC, Hubs, Nodes and Points of FidoNet, Zone 1:
|
||
|
||
Last month, our node, VSSI Tech Support BBS, 1:170/405, issued a
|
||
mass mailing. It was our intent to make a direct call to each
|
||
node. We, due to a misunderstanding of what the "Crash Mail"
|
||
flag meant to our mailer, did this "Bombing Run" via host
|
||
routing. This aspect of the operation was an error and a
|
||
violation of Policy 4. I can assure that a similar event will
|
||
not occur again.
|
||
|
||
Several NCs responded to this mailing, informing us of our error.
|
||
We responded via net mail to all that we knew of. At this time
|
||
we would like to repeat our offer of payment for any long
|
||
distance bills caused by our actions. This offer is open to NC
|
||
and Hubs alike. Please send via US Mail a copy of your phone
|
||
bill (with charges highlighted) to:
|
||
|
||
V.S.S.I
|
||
One Technology Center
|
||
Mannford OK 74044
|
||
Attn: FidoNet
|
||
|
||
Again I wish to offer my apologies for this error and my
|
||
assurance that it will not happen again.
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 17 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
WANTED
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
Revis Smith
|
||
1:120/110
|
||
Investment Echo
|
||
===============
|
||
|
||
I want to start a new investment echo. This echo would cover the
|
||
following topics: NYSE, AMEX, and OTC markets. As well as Stock
|
||
Options, futures, bonds, CD's, T-bills, mutual funds, and the
|
||
like. We will also have a weekly stock market game to see who
|
||
can pick the best stock for the week. That is if there is enough
|
||
interest, and this all gets going.
|
||
|
||
I would also like to talk about how our economy effects the stock
|
||
market, and how the various markets aroud the world affect the
|
||
global economy.
|
||
|
||
So if all this sounds interesting to you drop me a line at
|
||
1:120/110.
|
||
|
||
Revis Smith
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 18 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
LATEST VERSIONS
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
Latest Software Versions
|
||
|
||
MS-DOS Systems
|
||
--------------
|
||
|
||
Bulletin Board Software
|
||
Name Version Name Version Name Version
|
||
|
||
Fido 12n+* Phoenix 1.3 TBBS 2.1
|
||
Lynx 1.30 QuickBBS 2.03 TComm/TCommNet 3.4
|
||
Opus 1.03b+ RBBS 17.2A TPBoard 5.2
|
||
|
||
|
||
Network Node List Other
|
||
Mailers Version Utilities Version Utilities Version
|
||
|
||
BinkleyTerm 2.20 EditNL 4.00 ARC 6.02
|
||
D'Bridge 1.21* MakeNL 2.12 ARCmail 2.0
|
||
Dutchie 2.90C ParseList 1.30 ConfMail 4.00
|
||
FrontDoor 2.0 Prune 1.40 EMM 2.02
|
||
PRENM 1.47 XlatList 2.90 GROUP 2.10
|
||
SEAdog 4.51A* XlaxDiff 2.32 LHARC 1.13*
|
||
XlaxNode 2.32 MSG 3.3
|
||
MSGED 1.99
|
||
PK[UN]ZIP 0.92*
|
||
QM 1.0*
|
||
TCOMMail 2.2
|
||
TMail 1.11
|
||
TPBNetEd 3.2
|
||
UFGATE 1.03
|
||
XRS 2.3*
|
||
ZmailQ 1.09*
|
||
|
||
Apple Macintosh
|
||
---------------
|
||
|
||
Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
|
||
|
||
Name Version Name Version Name Version
|
||
|
||
Red Ryder Host v2.1b3 Tabby 2.0* MacArc 0.03
|
||
Mansion 7.0 ArcMac 1.3
|
||
StuffIt 1.51
|
||
TImport 1.0
|
||
TExport 1.0
|
||
Timestamp 1.6
|
||
Tset 1.0.2
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 19 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
Timestart 1.1
|
||
Tally 1.1
|
||
Mehitabel 1.2
|
||
Archie 1.60
|
||
Numberizer 1.5c
|
||
MessageEdit 1.0
|
||
|
||
|
||
Commodore Amiga
|
||
---------------
|
||
|
||
Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
|
||
|
||
Name Version Name Version Name Version
|
||
|
||
Paragon 1.00+* BinkleyTerm 1.50 ConfMail 1.00
|
||
ChameleonEdit 0.10
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
|
||
+ Netmail capable (does not require additional mailer software)
|
||
* Recently changed
|
||
|
||
Utility authors: Please help keep this list up to date by
|
||
reporting new versions to 1:1/1. It is not our intent to list
|
||
all utilities here, only those which verge on necessity.
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 20 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
NOTICES
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
The Interrupt Stack
|
||
|
||
|
||
2 Aug 1989
|
||
Start of Galactic Hacker Party in Amsterdam, Holland. Contact
|
||
Rop Gonggrijp at 2:280/1 for details.
|
||
|
||
24 Aug 1989
|
||
Voyager 2 passes Neptune.
|
||
|
||
24 Aug 1989
|
||
FidoCon '89 starts at the Holiday Inn in San Jose,
|
||
California. Trade show, seminars, etc. Contact 1:1/89
|
||
for info.
|
||
|
||
5 Oct 1989
|
||
20th Anniversary of "Monty Python's Flying Circus"
|
||
|
||
11 Oct 1989
|
||
First International Modula-2 Conference at Bled, Yugoslavia
|
||
hosting Niklaus Wirth and the British Standards Institution.
|
||
Contact 1:106/8422 for more information.
|
||
|
||
11 Nov 1989
|
||
A new area code forms in northern Illinois at 12:01 am.
|
||
Chicago proper will remain area code 312; suburban areas
|
||
formerly served with that code will become area code 708.
|
||
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 21 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
REPORTS
|
||
=================================================================
|
||
|
||
Nominations and Elections Committee
|
||
1:107/233
|
||
|
||
Report from Nominations and Elections Committee
|
||
|
||
As indicated in a previous report, the committee is presenting
|
||
statements from those individuals who have expressed interest in
|
||
serving FidoNet as Directors of IFNA. The committee has not
|
||
validated any of the material in these reports. If your are
|
||
interested in serving on the BoD but your statement does not
|
||
appear herein, please forward it to 1:107/210 immediately.
|
||
|
||
|
||
================================================================
|
||
|
||
STEVEN BARNES - has withdrawn for personal reasons.
|
||
|
||
================================================================
|
||
|
||
ROB LERMAN
|
||
|
||
I have been a Fidonet SysOp now for about 2 years and have
|
||
enjoyed every bit of it. I joined IFNA last May for the first
|
||
time when a friend of mine sent me the application for
|
||
membership.
|
||
|
||
I have been in a national level position in a International Star
|
||
Trek Fan club now for about 3 years and now the number 5 person
|
||
who runs the 4100 plus International Club. I have really enjoyed
|
||
working at a International Level and would like the opportunity
|
||
to be able to help out in Fidonet/IFNA in anyway I can
|
||
possibility can.
|
||
|
||
I would if elected listen to the members of Fidonet/IFNA and
|
||
recommend things that are important to them to the board, would
|
||
help in any way I can possibility help in (Committees, I am
|
||
currently on the IFNA Ethics Committee) Fidocon or whatever.
|
||
|
||
As I did state, I am a new comer to this, but at times a new
|
||
comer might be able to bring in fresh new ideas and/or revise old
|
||
ideas to help mak the system work even better than before.
|
||
|
||
If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask me via netmail or
|
||
any other communications link. I will get back to you within 24
|
||
hours of when I get your message.
|
||
|
||
Rob Lerman, 1:203/57
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 22 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
================================================================
|
||
|
||
JOHN ROBERTS
|
||
|
||
I'd say that my most important qualifications for the position of
|
||
Director would be belief in the potential of FidoNet compatible
|
||
mail systems and a sincere desire to help realize that potential.
|
||
|
||
I believe that IFNA has an important role to play in this future
|
||
due to its unique position to act for the furtherance of the
|
||
technology without being hindered by the task of the day to day
|
||
management of network operations and politics. One role that I
|
||
see for IFNA is as a public representative of FidoNet technology
|
||
and its potential to the media and regulatory agencies. Another
|
||
is the creation of agreements for communication between various
|
||
networks using FidoNet and other technologies. I also believe
|
||
that it's important for IFNA to enhance its image among its
|
||
constituency by being responsive to the will of its members and
|
||
insofar as possible to that of the operators of all FidoNet
|
||
compatible mail systems.
|
||
|
||
If you share any of these beliefs, I'd appreciate you giving me
|
||
the opportunity to help by your support with your vote in the
|
||
coming election.
|
||
|
||
John Roberts, FidoNet (1:147/14)
|
||
|
||
================================================================
|
||
|
||
KRIS A. VEITCH
|
||
|
||
I am presently a member of the BoD having replaced a Director as
|
||
his Alternate. I serve in many capacities within IFNA. I am the
|
||
Treasurer/Secretary, Membership Database and Correspondence
|
||
Manager. Many of you know me through NetMail conversations
|
||
concerning your membership and others through SnailMail with
|
||
renewal letters , Certificates of Membership and the IFNANet.PVT
|
||
list. I thoroughly enjoy the work I perform.
|
||
|
||
However, I am not just a good "paperwork" person. I believe that
|
||
IFNA has a goal, a goal to bring the knowledge of FIdoNet
|
||
Technology to the common masses. Yes, this may sound idealistic,
|
||
it may sound completely irrelevant (or irreverent) to most
|
||
Sysops, but the day is at hand that our "world for Sysops" is
|
||
waning. Telecommunications and FidoNet are become more
|
||
accessible by the "non-techie" persons. I see IFNA separating
|
||
itself completely from the Net Political Scene and becoming a
|
||
Public Relations/United Nets Organization geared to promoting
|
||
(Fido)Net Technology (ie:FidoNet, AlterNet, EggNet, FleetNet,
|
||
RRNet, This Net and that) to the public. Additionally, I feel
|
||
that IFNA would best serve all Nets by being the liaison between
|
||
Nets. Assist each entity in obtaining Gateway Agreements and the
|
||
like. Help all Network entities in finding a point of common
|
||
agreement to continue the spread of knowledge through our
|
||
technology. Again, these are my ideas for IFNA, to assist and
|
||
help, not control or politicize our world. All of this can be
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 23 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
accomplished, and is being accomplished slowly, but surely. One
|
||
last note, my personal qualifications in the world follow:
|
||
|
||
Member FidoNet 1:147/10 and 1:147/30 South Community Hospital
|
||
HAL-9000
|
||
Member AlterNet 7:770/2023 and 7:770/0 House Dawyck
|
||
Member FleetNet 23:2412/9000 StarFleet Ranger HQ
|
||
Member RRNet 23:2450/1979 USS Devonshire
|
||
Member Usenet kveitch@metnet.FIDONET.ORG
|
||
Member IFNAnet 25:25/0 IFNA Membership Database
|
||
|
||
Member of Data Processing Management Association
|
||
Member Board of Directors Data Processing Management Assoc. OKC
|
||
|
||
Publisher of Global Village News - Local Net 147 Information Rag
|
||
|
||
================================================================
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 24 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
OFFICERS OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIDONET ASSOCIATION
|
||
|
||
Mort Sternheim 1:321/109 Chairman of the Board
|
||
Bob Rudolph 1:261/628 President
|
||
Matt Whelan 3:3/1 Vice President
|
||
Bill Bolton 3:711/403 Vice President-Technical Coordinator
|
||
Linda Grennan 1:147/1 Secretary
|
||
Kris Veitch 1:147/30 Treasurer
|
||
|
||
|
||
IFNA COMMITTEE AND BOARD CHAIRS
|
||
|
||
Administration and Finance Mark Grennan 1:147/1
|
||
Board of Directors Mort Sternheim 1:321/109
|
||
Bylaws Don Daniels 1:107/210
|
||
Ethics Vic Hill 1:147/4
|
||
Executive Committee Bob Rudolph 1:261/628
|
||
International Affairs Rob Gonsalves 2:500/1
|
||
Membership Services David Drexler 1:147/47
|
||
Nominations & Elections David Melnick 1:107/233
|
||
Public Affairs David Drexler 1:147/47
|
||
Publications Rick Siegel 1:107/27
|
||
Security & Individual Rights Jim Cannell 1:143/21
|
||
Technical Standards Rick Moore 1:115/333
|
||
|
||
|
||
IFNA BOARD OF DIRECTORS
|
||
|
||
DIVISION AT-LARGE
|
||
|
||
10 Courtney Harris 1:102/732 Don Daniels 1:107/210
|
||
11 Bill Allbritten 1:11/301 Mort Sternheim 1:321/109
|
||
12 Bill Bolton 3:711/403 Mark Grennan 1:147/1
|
||
13 Irene Henderson 1:107/9 (vacant)
|
||
14 Ken Kaplan 1:100/22 Ted Polczyinski 1:154/5
|
||
15 Scott Miller 1:128/12 Matt Whelan 3:3/1
|
||
16 Ivan Schaffel 1:141/390 Robert Rudolph 1:261/628
|
||
17 Neal Curtin 1:343/1 Steve Jordan 1:206/2871
|
||
18 Andrew Adler 1:135/47 Kris Veitch 1:147/30
|
||
19 David Drexler 1:147/47 (vacant)
|
||
2 Henk Wevers 2:500/1 David Melnik 1:107/233
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 25 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
__
|
||
The World's First / \
|
||
BBS Network /|oo \
|
||
* FidoNet * (_| /_)
|
||
FidoCon '89 in San Jose, California _`@/_ \ _
|
||
at The Holiday Inn Park Plaza | | \ \\
|
||
August 24-27, 1989 | (*) | \ ))
|
||
______ |__U__| / \//
|
||
/ Fido \ _//|| _\ /
|
||
(________) (_/(_|(____/ (tm)
|
||
|
||
|
||
R E G I S T R A T I O N F O R M
|
||
|
||
|
||
Name: _______________________________________________________
|
||
|
||
Address: ____________________________________________________
|
||
|
||
City: _______________________ State: ____ Zip: ______________
|
||
|
||
Country: ____________________________________________________
|
||
|
||
|
||
Phone Numbers:
|
||
|
||
Day: ________________________________________________________
|
||
|
||
Evening: ____________________________________________________
|
||
|
||
Data: _______________________________________________________
|
||
|
||
|
||
Zone:Net/
|
||
Node.Point: ___________________________________________________
|
||
|
||
Your BBS Name: ________________________________________________
|
||
|
||
|
||
BBS Software: _____________________ Mailer: ___________________
|
||
|
||
Modem Brand: _____________________ Speed: ____________________
|
||
|
||
At what hotel will you be staying: ____________________________
|
||
|
||
Do you want an in room point? (Holiday Inn only) ______________
|
||
|
||
Are you a Sysop? _____________
|
||
|
||
Are you an IFNA Member? ______
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 26 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
Additional Guests: __________
|
||
(not attending conferences)
|
||
|
||
Do you have any special requirements? (Sign Language translation,
|
||
handicapped, etc.)
|
||
|
||
______________________________________________________
|
||
|
||
|
||
Comments: ______________________________________________________
|
||
|
||
______________________________________________________
|
||
|
||
______________________________________________________
|
||
|
||
|
||
Costs How Many? Cost
|
||
--------------------------- -------- -------
|
||
|
||
Conference fee $60 .................... ________ _______
|
||
($75.00 after July 15)
|
||
|
||
Friday Banquet $30.00 ................ ________ _______
|
||
|
||
======== =======
|
||
|
||
Totals ................................ ________ _______
|
||
|
||
You may pay by Check, Money Order, or Credit Card. Please send
|
||
no cash. All monies must be in U.S. Funds. Checks should be
|
||
made out to: "FidoCon '89"
|
||
|
||
|
||
This form should be completed and mailed to:
|
||
|
||
Silicon Valley FidoCon '89
|
||
PO Box 390770
|
||
Mountain View, CA 94039
|
||
|
||
|
||
You may register by Netmailing this completed form to 1:1/89 for
|
||
processing. Rename it to ZNNNXXXX.REG where Z is your Zone
|
||
number, N is your Net number, and X is your Node number. US Mail
|
||
confirmation is required within 72 hours to confirm your
|
||
registration.
|
||
|
||
If you are paying by credit card, please include the following
|
||
information. For your own security, do not route any message
|
||
with your credit card number on it. Crash it directly to 1:1/89.
|
||
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 27 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
Master Card _______ Visa ________
|
||
|
||
|
||
Credit Card Number _____________________________________________
|
||
|
||
|
||
Expiration Date ________________________________________________
|
||
|
||
Signature ______________________________________________________
|
||
|
||
No credit card registrations will be accepted without a valid
|
||
signature.
|
||
|
||
|
||
Rooms at the Holiday Inn may be reserved by calling the Hotel at
|
||
408-998-0400, and mentioning that you are with FidoCon. Rooms
|
||
are $60.00 per night double occupancy. Additional rollaways are
|
||
available for $10.00 per night. To obtain these rates you must
|
||
register before July 15.
|
||
|
||
The official FidoCon '89 airline is American Airlines. You can
|
||
receive either a 5% reduction in supersaver fares or a 40%
|
||
reduction in the regular day coach fare. San Jose is an American
|
||
Airlines hub with direct flights to most major cities. When
|
||
making reservations, you must call American's reservation number,
|
||
800-433-1790, and reference Star number S0289VM.
|
||
|
||
The official FidoCon '89 automobile rental agency is Alamo Rent a
|
||
Car. Rates are as described below. All rates include automatic
|
||
transmission, air conditioning, radio, and unlimited mileage.
|
||
|
||
Economy car (example: Geo Metro) $32 day/$109 week.
|
||
Compact car (example: Chevy Cavalier) $34 day/$120 week.
|
||
Midsize car (example: Pontiac Grand Am) $36 day/$135 week.
|
||
Standard car (example: Buick Regal) $38 day/$165 week.
|
||
Luxury car (example: Buick LeSabre) $40 day/$239 week.
|
||
|
||
To take advantage of this rate, call Alamo at 1-800-327-9633 and
|
||
request the convention rate. Mention FidoCon '89, the location
|
||
and dates.
|
||
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 28 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
__
|
||
The World's First / \
|
||
BBS Network /|oo \
|
||
* FidoNet * (_| /_)
|
||
_`@/_ \ _
|
||
| | \ \\
|
||
| (*) | \ ))
|
||
______ |__U__| / \//
|
||
/ Fido \ _//|| _\ /
|
||
(________) (_/(_|(____/ (tm)
|
||
|
||
Membership for the International FidoNet Association
|
||
|
||
Membership in IFNA is open to any individual or organization that
|
||
pays a specified annual membership fee. IFNA serves the
|
||
international FidoNet-compatible electronic mail community to
|
||
increase worldwide communications.
|
||
|
||
Member Name _______________________________ Date _______________
|
||
Address _________________________________________________________
|
||
City ____________________________________________________________
|
||
State ________________________________ Zip _____________________
|
||
Country _________________________________________________________
|
||
Home Phone (Voice) ______________________________________________
|
||
Work Phone (Voice) ______________________________________________
|
||
|
||
Zone:Net/Node Number ____________________________________________
|
||
BBS Name ________________________________________________________
|
||
BBS Phone Number ________________________________________________
|
||
Baud Rates Supported ____________________________________________
|
||
Board Restrictions ______________________________________________
|
||
|
||
Your Special Interests __________________________________________
|
||
_________________________________________________________________
|
||
_________________________________________________________________
|
||
In what areas would you be willing to help in FidoNet? __________
|
||
_________________________________________________________________
|
||
_________________________________________________________________
|
||
Send this membership form and a check or money order for $25 in
|
||
US Funds to:
|
||
International FidoNet Association
|
||
PO Box 41143
|
||
St Louis, Missouri 63141
|
||
USA
|
||
|
||
Thank you for your membership! Your participation will help to
|
||
insure the future of FidoNet.
|
||
|
||
Please NOTE that IFNA is a general not-for-profit organization
|
||
and Articles of Association and By-Laws were adopted by the
|
||
membership in January 1987. The second elected Board of Directors
|
||
was filled in August 1988. The IFNA Echomail Conference has been
|
||
established on FidoNet to assist the Board. We welcome your
|
||
input to this Conference.
|
||
|
||
FidoNews 6-30 Page 29 24 Jul 1989
|
||
|
||
|
||
-----------------------------------------------------------------
|
||
|