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fidonews -- 04 Feb 85 23:18:44 Page 1
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Volume 2, Number 3 4 Feb 85
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Editor: Tom Jennings
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Publisher: Fido #1
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Chief Procrastinator: Tom Jennings
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Disclaimer or dont-blame-me:
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The contents of the articles contained here are not
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my responsibility, nor do I necessarily agree with them;
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everything here is subject to debate. I publish EVERYTHING
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received.
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You can take this to mean anything you want, but
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hopefully as an invitation to comment, make suggestions, or
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write articles of your own.
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HOT NEWS
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Changes are a foot. Afoot. Let me start over ...
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You may have noticed there was no FidoNews last
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week. I was traveling, and busy also. When I finall yfound
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time to do it, it was Thursday, so I thought, why bother,
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there will be one on Monday. So ...
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FidoNews will be coming out biweekly. Thats every
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other week. It's just too much work to do once a week;
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missing two days (like last week) means its only five days
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til the next newsletter.
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On the same subject, please not the article
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submission changes. This is very important; I cannot handle
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text anymore that doesnt conform to the very simple format
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described. I spent three hours, formatting text to make this
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issue. Next week will be the last week I'll accept text from
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every possible word processor in the world, to let the word
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filter out. After that, a polite note requesting that you
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cange the format.
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fidonews -- 04 Feb 85 23:18:51 Page 2
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I had to leave out a nice article on the SoCal
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network, the most complex so far, as it blows up my text
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formatter for some unknown reason. I'll try to get it
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working by next week.
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Bumper stickers are out; see the ad under "For
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Sale".
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fidonews -- 04 Feb 85 23:18:52 Page 3
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NEWS
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ARTICLE SUBMISSION
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All articles you see in this issue are written by
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users and sysops, and have one way or another managed to
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consume disk space on Fido #1. In order to get rid of them,
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and free up my precious disk space, I include them here,
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then quickly delete them. Then they are YOUR problem.
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EDITORIAL CONTENT:
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Totally up to you; I publish anything at all.
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Article are generally Fido or BBS related; this is by no
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means a decision on my part, nor a requirement.
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FOR SALE, WANTED, NOTICES:
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Pretty much self explanatory. Commercial ads are
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welcomed, if of reasonable length. These will be run each
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issue, or until I lose them. (Dont laugh, Ive already lost a
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few.)
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SUBMITTING AN ARTICLE:
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Manage to get a copy of your article to Fido #1,
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preferably by Fidonet mail, or by uploading. If manual
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upload, please put it in the MAILFILE area, so that I can
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find them all at once.
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ARTICLE FORMAT: VERY IMPORTANT! PLEASE READ!
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The requirements are a little tighter in this
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department, due to purely practical constraints. I cannot
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devote hours to converting every text format in the world to
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the one I use.
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1. NO LEFT MARGINS! Flush left please. These are
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extremely difficult to remove.
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2. RIGHT MARGIN AT COLUMN 60 OR LESS! Less is OK,
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more is definitely not. This includes fancy
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boxes, dotted lines, etc.
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3. KEEP FUNNY CONTROL CHARACTERS TO A MINIMUM!
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This includes formfeeds and other oddities.
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These areent as dificult to handle, but on long
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files still takes a while.
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4. WORDSTAR IS FINE IF THERE ARE NO LEFT MARGINS!
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5. PLAIN ASCII (EDLIN, ED, etc) IS FINE IF LINE LENGTH
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IS UNDER 60 COLUMNS!
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6. NO GRAPHIC CHARACTERS! Believe it or not, not every
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one in the world has an IBM PC. My computer
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understands printable characters from 20 hex to
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fidonews -- 04 Feb 85 23:18:58 Page 4
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7e hex. (Space to tilde) This is ASCII; "American
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Standard Code for Information Interchange". We are
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"Interchanging Information". Everything else is
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GARBAGE. ASCII is universal; Graphics are not.
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7. TOTAL ARTICLE LENGTH: Up to you; note, however, that
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I will probably avoid publishing dictionaries,
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bibles translated into NAPLPS, and ASCII encoded
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LANDSAT pictures of Russian wheat farms.
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8. WHERE ON EARTH IS THIS ARTICLE FROM? Well ... good
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question! A good idea to identify yourself
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somewhere, unless you wish to remain anonymous.
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Thats OK too, but I may balk at publishing rude
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or otherwise racy submissions.
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9. AN EXAMPLE:
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Article from Tom Jennings
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Fido #1 4 Feb 85
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Here is what an article could look like for
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submission. Very simple: plain old dumb ASCII, WordStar,
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PMATE, Vedit, or whatever. WordStar Document mode is fine.
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Note no left column; that is done when FidoNews is
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published. Note the total width is only 60 columns; it looks
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narrow on your screen, but fine when formatted later.
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END irrational tirade on text files ... on to bigger
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and better things!
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BASCOM BUGS
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A number of errors discovered in IBM's BASIC Compiler
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version 1.00, by Tom Hanlin at the kind invitation of the
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Sysop of The Bear's Den (FIDO 74).
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Cursor control: BASICA allows the cursor to be moved
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right, left, up, and down, respectively, by PRINTing the
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following ASCII characters: 28, 29, 30, and 31. Thus PRINT
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CHR$(29);" ";CHR$(29); does a destructive backspace, which
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ought to be the job of CHR$(8), but for some obscure reason
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isn't. The BASIC Compiler will execute this example with no
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trouble--it can handle moving the cursor backwards and
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forwards, but not up and down. Interpreted BASIC programs
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which use the cursor control codes may have to be modified
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for this reason.
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File errors: In BASICA, if you try to open a file
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using a filename that's too long (for instance THIS-IS-TOO-
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LONG.TXT), you will get the error you would expect: a "Bad
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File Name". The compiler sees things differently, and will
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fidonews -- 04 Feb 85 23:19:05 Page 5
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give you a "Bad File Number" error. So, if you write a
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program with error trapping routines, be sure to trap for
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"Bad File Number" as well as the expected "Bad File Name"
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error. This will be important mostly in programs where the
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file name is entered by the user, or maybe generated by the
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program, rather than a constant value.
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Literal strings: The BASIC interpreter will allow you
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to use only two control codes as literal values in strings,
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ASCII characters one (CTRL-A) and four (CTRL-D). That is,
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while it's ok to use A$="x" where "x" is the control code
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for these two values, for any other control code (characters
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with ASCII values less than 32) you must use A$=CHR$(xx),
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where "xx" is the ASCII value of the control code. That is,
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of all the control codes, only CTRL-A (smily face) and CTRL-
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D (diamond) can be entered directly into the program without
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causing it to bomb out. This has to do with the way BASICA
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stores programs in memory. The point of all this is that
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BASCOM evidently doesn't expect to see any control codes
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directly entered, and will act strangely if you have them in
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the program.
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BASCOM Machine language subroutines: When doing a CALL
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ABSOLUTE, the memory location at the start of the routine
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should be entered as an integer variable at the end of the
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parameter list, if any, rather than being used as the name
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of the function, as BASICA does it. BASCOM does not check
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to be sure that this value is an integer, or even a numeric
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value! For instance, if you've made a mistake, and have a
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string variable at the end of the parameter list, BASCOM
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will not say a word. Your program, when it attempts to
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execute this function, will go off into never-never land.
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So be careful! Another problem is that an integer variable
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is required, whereas the value you want to use may often be
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greater than 32767, the maximum value for a string. This
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can be fixed by setting a single-precision variable equal to
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the number, then converting it to hexadecimal and back
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again, which converts the number into integer range so it
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can be used... the reason is a little to esoteric to discuss
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here, but it does the job. Like so: A!=START.OF.ROUTINE :
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A% = VAL( "&H" + HEX$( START.OF.ROUTINE )) : CALL ABSOLUTE(
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A% )
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If you have any comments or questions, please send them
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to me at The Bear's Den (FIDO 74) via Fidonet and I'll do my
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best to get back to you.
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FINALLY! 1-20-85
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The Results From the Survey by Linda Rene
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COMPUTER VS. FAMILY CO-SYSOP FIDO27
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The majority of hours spent on the computer for the married
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person was 11-20 hours weekly. For a single person it was
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21 hours and over.
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55% of computer users had no problem with their spouse; 40%
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were not so lucky and definitely had problems with spouse;
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then there was the other 5% who had no problem.SOMETIMES!
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As for friends, they either like the computer or they don't.
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fidonews -- 04 Feb 85 23:19:13 Page 6
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The ones who like the computer are usually the ones who know
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how to use one; the dislikers are simply nonusers and can't
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understand how a computer could be better than a party.
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The purposes for the personal computer range from business,
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word processing,programming,recreation,education and of course
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communication, etc...
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HOW DOES THE HOME COMPUTER EFFECT FAMILY LIVES?
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Being the wife of a system operator,I was curious to see if
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this 'computer craze' was going on outside of this house. I thought
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I was the only woman competing against a computer for a man. There was
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a time when I thought all I had to do was look pretty to keep my
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man; now I have to have brains too?
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I'll be honest with you. When I first began this survey some
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months ago, I wanted to scrape up all the garbage I could about
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computers. Why? I'll tell you why. I hated them. I was against them
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all the way. A person can get tired of being put aside all the time
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for a piece of machine. It gets pretty bad when you forget what your
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own husbands face looks like, although the back of his head was
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always there. I couldn't admit it then but I can now. I was jealous
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of our computer and on occasion I still am. And from some of the
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comments made in the survey I am not alone in these feelings.
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One man commented, " She hates it. Has unplugged it in an attempt
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to crash it". Another wrote " It ain't that great for your love life".
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I'm sure alot of us can relate to that.
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Okay I said what I wanted to say. But to stick up for all you
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computer widows as myself, I'd like to ask all computer users to
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at least remember us! PEOPLE HAVE FEELINGS; COMPUTERS DON'T.
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Now we get on with the better half of my opinion. I'm stuck!
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I can't find any garbage about home computers. They may be hard to
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walk away from and time consuming. Yet we can't ignore the fact
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that computers and families go together. For our childrens education
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as well as our own. Fun for the whole family. To help with the
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household finances and so much more.
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I never thought I would be saying this but in the long run,
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computers aren't that bad. I have met a few people from our system
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and I consider them friends now. To me, that's the special part of
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computing. Making new friends every day with people all over the world.
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And you can never have too many friends. Right?
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I HOPE YOU ENJOYED READING THIS AS MUCH AS I DID WRITING IT!
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From: Bob Spivack
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Sysop Fido #346
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Subject: HP LaserJet Printer
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In response to an earlier article about setting up a
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printing service I don't really have a direct comment. But I
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would like to bring up an important point. In my opinion,
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the HP LaserJet is like a lot of other HP computer products,
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good idea, but flawed implementation (close, but no cigar).
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Specifically, the HP LaserJet is deficient in two areas:
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interface compatibility and graphics. As delivered by HP the
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Laserjet is only directly usable as a dumb, back-spacing
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fidonews -- 04 Feb 85 23:19:24 Page 7
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line printer (to borrow the old Wordstar definition). It
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does not respond to any industry standard or de facto
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standard command streams for direct control over special
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features (like highlighting, underlining, bold printing,
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etc.) What a shame!
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Secondly, the resident ram in the controller is so small
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that the printer cannot:
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A. Download a complete character set for user defined fonts
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of any real complexity.
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B. Generate anything other than limited graphics. The
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graphics it can do can only be accessed by coding new
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routines in your software to create them. (Lotus 1-2-3 for
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the HP computer was recoded to use the LaserJet. Normal
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software that generates graphics cannot be used.) Not every
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software guy is a lucky as Lotus to get a multi-million
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dollar order from HP to justify converting to their view of
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things.
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Now, fortunately there is some good news. The HP LaserJet is
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based on an OEM laser mechanism known as the "Canon Engine"
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(named after the company that sells it [Japanese, of
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course]. This mechanism has been used in several other laser
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printers, the most prominent now being the just unveiled
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Apple MacIntosh companion.
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A small (relatively) company named QMS in Mobile Alabama
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also sells a laser printer based on the Canon. QMS
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manufactures special controllers for laser printers; they
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have been doing it for many years. They simply interfaced
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their existing controller (68000 with 2 megabytes of
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graphics memory) to the Cannon engine. This results in a
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great device (in the same ball park as the Apple but
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machine/computer independent). Unfortunately this printer
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with controller is about $10,000.
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The good news is that QMS just came out with a new version.
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This model, called the QMS Smartwriter, puts a subset of
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their big controller INSIDE the printer itself. The entire
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thing looks identical to the HP LaserJet (no big box
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controller plugged in like the other model.)
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This new printer controller was made with the right ideas.
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It provides full emulation of Diablo and Qume letter
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quality printers. Thus, your existing software can be
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configured as if driving a Diablo or Qume! Instant
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compatibility with the tons of WP and other software
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written.
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Secondly, this integrate controller has enough local memory
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to provide complete emulation of EPSON compatible graphics.
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This means that any program that generates graphics for an
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EPSON printer (which is the universal standard) can drive
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the Laser!
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fidonews -- 04 Feb 85 23:19:32 Page 8
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Sounds like a winning product. I plan to get my hands on
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one soon to evaluate, if everyone is interested, I will
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report back the results.
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P.S. I have no vested interest in QMS, and if their product
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turns out to be flawed, I will be the first one to let you
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know.
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From: Matt Gertner, Sysop of Fido Node #210
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Subject: Letters to the editor
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Several times while reading this newsletter I have thought
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of short, simple comments or questions which, although
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important, are not worthy of a full "article". This leads me
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to suggest that Tom add a new filename extension (.LET?) for
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use as letters to the editor. These could be printed at the
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beginning of each news letter, and any replys from Tom could
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follow. I think this would enrich the content of the
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newsletter and could hold all sorts of information that
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would be normally posted as a message (as opposed to a file)
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on a BBS.
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Met-Chem International Price List
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Met-Chem International Corporation
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2911 Dixwell Avenue
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Hamden, Ct 06518
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(203)-248-3212 (* VOICE *)
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1-800-638-2436 (* VOICE *)
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(203)-281-7287 (* DATA *)
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These prices are effective as of 1-21-85. Some of the items
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shown are available in limited quantities. All sales are on
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a first come, first serve basis. This list is a sub-set of
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the products we offer. If you have a special item in mind,
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which is not on this list, please contact Met-Chem and we
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will do our best to find the item for you.
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Diskettes
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3M Memorex
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SS-DD-RH ..... 2.00 EACH | SS-DD-RH (3481) . 1.90 EACH
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DS-DD-RH .... 2.70 EACH | DS-DD-RH (3491) . 2.20 EACH
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Tape Cartridges
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DC 300XL .. 21.50 | DC 600A .. 25.00
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Printers
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C-ITOH DAISYWHEEL PRINTERS
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PW-50-001 132 COL STARWRITER F-10-40PU 40 CPS, P ... 1150.00
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PW-50-003 132 COL PRINTER MASTER F-10-55PU 55 CPS, P .....
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1400.00
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C-ITOH DOT MATRIX PRINTERS
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PM-50-001 80 COL 8510 A P, 120 CPS ...... 365.00
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fidonews -- 04 Feb 85 23:19:42 Page 9
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PM-50-003 136 COL 1550 P, 120 CPS ....... 625.00
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EPSON DOT MATRIX PRINTERS
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EPSON RX 80, P .......................... 315.00
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EPSON FX 80, F/T, P ..................... 500.00
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EPSON RX 100, F/T, P .................... 525.00
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EPSON FX 100, F/T, P .................... 725.00
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FACIT DOT MATRIX PRINTERS
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4511 (80 COL / SERIAL & PARALLEL / 160 CPS) ......... 500.00
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4512 (132 COL / SERIAL & PARALLEL / 140 CPS) ........ 725.00
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Tape Backup for IBM PC/XT
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Cipher 5210 (25 MEG) ................................ 790.00
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Hard Disk Subsystems (Drive, Controller,
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Cables)
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Full Height
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10 MEG 675.00 | 15 MEG 750.00
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20 MEG 1225.00 | 32 MEG 1525.00
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Half Height
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10 MEG 775.00
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Full Height
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10 MEG 425.00 | 15 MEG 500.00
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20 MEG (SAME DRIVE AS USED IN AT) 895.00
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32 MEG 1095.00
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64 k RAM CHIPS (SET OF NINE / 4164-150) ............ 35.00
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8087 Coprocessor Chip .............................. 175.00
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130 Watt Power Supply for IBM PC ................... 165.00
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NetWare - Column 1 - 1/28/85
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Synopsis: this article describes a Fido-Wide project
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encouraging the development of powerful, public domaing
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tools
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User-Supported software is a logical extension of the hacker
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movement. It is rooted in people who solve problems for
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themselves, who recognize the solution is of value to
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others, but that distribution it is a pain. However, some
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distribution probably helped in the development of the
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products. The synergy between user and developer is
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essential in the growth of any software product.
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Today, very little commercial software is produced by a
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single programmer. Even fewer are produced and marketed by
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a single individual. There are very few people with all
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the talents needed to address these needs, and the few that
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do probably don't have enough time and are probably being
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paid very well to do something else.
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fidonews -- 04 Feb 85 23:19:50 Page 10
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The first major pieces of "FreeWare" were communications
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packages. Communications tools still dominate the freeware
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"market". Why people insist on re-inventing the wheel is
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slightly beyond me; that is part of the reason for this
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article.
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The first major departure in the individualistic approach
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was Kermit. (We will discuss the other major departure,
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the selling of "Freeware", another time.) Kermit was
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professionally designed, and is professionally supported,
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but is a totally open system. The individual
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implementations are handled by individuals or groups with
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no formal affiliation to the original developers. Unlike
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previous FreeWare, Kermit is exponentially more potent than
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normal comm tools because of the range of machines it
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addresses.
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[Ed. Note: Kermit is totally unsuitable as the main file
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protocol for micros; it should be used only where absolutely
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necessary, for mainframes. It is extremely slow, and has
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design problems. ]
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Fido is a perfect tool for the development of User-supported
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software. It has the ability to nationally organize a
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collective project, without supporting any large
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corporation doing it (except maybe The Phone Company.)
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The purpose of this document is to propose such a project.
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There are a number of possibilites; but the one that is most
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attractive seems to be a converter of tool formatted data.
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Communications tools allow the transfer of data between
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machines. The tool I propose will allow the conversion of
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data between various (PC-DOS) tools, like Lotus or Multi-
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Plan.
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Sure, most commercial tools have the ability to read one or
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two of the more popular data formats. However, they are not
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as all encompassing as we might like.
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How would this project work? Well, we would carefully
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define what our tool's internal data model is. Then, we
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would have to carefully define the overall structure of tool
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specific modules that convert data between our internal
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model and the model of the particular tool. A couple of
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obvious tools would be addressed during this process.
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Then, people with familiarity with particular tools would
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apply same to develop the input and output modules for their
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favorite tool.
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There are a couple of major questions that need to be
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addressed before that phase. First of all, what tools do we
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plan to address? Do we limit ourselvesto MS/PC-Dos tools?
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What development tools will be used?
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More important than this is a clear understanding of the
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fidonews -- 04 Feb 85 23:19:57 Page 11
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ownership of this work. It is to be public domain in the
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purest sense of the word; it has to begiven the collective
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nature of the work.
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There are some obvious extensions to this particular tool.
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One is the development of a full-fledged, integrated package
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based on our internal transfer model.
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There are a number of other projects that are appropriate to
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this form of development.
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Future editions of this column will outline some of the
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preliminary specifications drawn up for this project, other
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potential projects, your reactions, and other stuff.
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Please respond to Fido336 Berkshire with any feedback. The
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number is (714) 632-9117. This is an open board.
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From...: Randy Berndt, Sysop, FidoNode 356
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Subject: A suggestion for naming Fido News Files
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Is there any reason why the first part of the name has to
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be FIDONEWS? If you loosen that requirement, then a whole
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lot of names become available. If you put the volume and
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issue numbers in the first part of the file, then they won't
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be hidden by the Q, when squeezed. For Instance:
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Assume vv is volume number (why not plan ahead to volume 10!),
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and nn is issue number.
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Unsqueezed File Name Squeezed File Name
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-------------------- ------------------
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NEWSvvnn NEWSvvnn.QQQ
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NEWSvvnn.BBS NEWSvvnn.BQS
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FIDOvvnn.NEW FIDOvvnn.NQW
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FIDOvvnn.NWS FIDOvvnn.NQS
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I think one of these (or something like it, would solve the
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problem quite well.
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Ref: PC WEEK, January 29, 1985, VOL 2 NO. 4, pages
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87-90
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+-----------+
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| FIDONET |
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+-----------+
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In Public Domain, It Offers More Than Other Electronic-Mail
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Systems
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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by
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fidonews -- 04 Feb 85 23:20:07 Page 12
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Garry Ray
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The paperless office was a dream of the 1970s.
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Like the turbo-nuclear automobile of the 1960s, however,
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it walloped head-on into technological reality and became
|
|
just one more pipe dream in the legacy of computing. The
|
|
result? Paper, to all appearances, will be with us for
|
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quite some time.
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On a less noticeable front, however, there's a genuine
|
|
revolution in the works. Electronic mail, an extension of
|
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the paperless-office concept, is taking off as no "expert"
|
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ever imagined. It seems that while the office of the
|
|
future may not be paperless, the post office of the future
|
|
certainly will be. Come to think of it, it's not going to
|
|
happen in the future at all; it's happening here, now,
|
|
today.
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At the forefront of the revolution are services such as
|
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MCI's MCI Mail and Western Union's EasyLink, both of
|
|
which allow electronic composition, storage and transmission
|
|
of all sorts of correspondence.
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|
|
|
But the guerrilla movement of electronic mail uses
|
|
FidoNet. Borrowing concepts from high-powered systems
|
|
such as ARPANET and Usenet, this free, public-domain system
|
|
has no equal, commercially or technically, in the world of
|
|
microcomputing.
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|
|
FidoNet allows users to fashion their own public,
|
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private or semi-private electronic-mail network using
|
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standard PCs and conventional telephone lines.
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Differences and Similarities
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Aside from its minimal operating environment -- IBM PCs
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|
-- FidoNet is only marginally different from the high-
|
|
profile electronic-mail networks. As with those systems,
|
|
FidoNet users can compose messages on a built-in text
|
|
editor, address the messages to other users and forget
|
|
about the rest of the process. Message and file
|
|
packaging, addressing and transmission are totally
|
|
transparent to the user. In other regards, however,
|
|
FidoNet is vastly different from the other services.
|
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|
|
With its ancillary program -- called Fido -- FidoNet
|
|
offers much more than just a mail system. The software
|
|
can act as a complete central communications link to
|
|
other Fido-equipped computers. But Fido and FidoNet,
|
|
although they are part of the same system, perform
|
|
different functions for different purposes.
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Fido is the software that constitutes a computer-based
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fidonews -- 04 Feb 85 23:20:14 Page 13
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"bulletin board" system (BBS). Like other BBSs, it allows
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users to call in and gain access to message and file areas.
|
|
In the message areas, they can leave messages for each
|
|
other, for the general user community or for the system
|
|
operator -- the "sysop". In the file areas, users can
|
|
download programs -- be they business, entertainment
|
|
or utility software -- for use on their own systems.
|
|
ASCII text files can be handled as well.
|
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|
|
FidoNet is the feature that pushes this software into
|
|
a class of its own. An integral part of the Fido
|
|
system, FidoNet is a full-fledged electronic-mail network
|
|
that links Fido users together. Any computer system capable
|
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of running the Fido software can become a part of the net.
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How It Works
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~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Here's how FidoNet works: Take, for example, the Acme
|
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company, with small satellite offices throughout the
|
|
country. Acme needs to transfer documents and files to
|
|
the home office on a daily basis. FidoNet might be the
|
|
answer for them.
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Users at each local office write messages and address
|
|
files to other users at other nodes throughout the
|
|
day. At a time predetermined and agreed upon by each
|
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of the node operators, usually in the wee hours of the
|
|
morning when long-distance chrages are lowest, each node
|
|
automatically switches from Fido to FidoNet operation.
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|
|
Messages and files are bundled into "packets" and
|
|
addressed to each of the other nodes. If there are four
|
|
messages for station five, they are bundled into one
|
|
packet; the six messages and three files for users of
|
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node 10 are bundled into yet another packet, and so on.
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|
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Each node then begins a process of calling the nodes for
|
|
which it has mail packets and waiting for calls that may
|
|
come in from nodes that are sending mail. If a node
|
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is busy sending or receiving packets, the calling node
|
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either moves on to other tasks or waits a random length of
|
|
time before trying to call again. In any case, the
|
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messages and files that make up a packet are eventually
|
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sent to the correct destination.
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At the end of the FidoNet timespan (usually one-half to
|
|
one hour) all nodes return to Fido operation.
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Users with access to FidoNet can compose messages for
|
|
transmission to users at other locations. Since FidoNet
|
|
uses standard telephone lines and unadorned modem-equipped
|
|
PCs, users of the net can be a room, a block or a
|
|
continent apart.
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Once FidoNet is installed, expenses are minimal.
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fidonews -- 04 Feb 85 23:20:23 Page 14
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Except for late-night long-distance charges -- the cheapest
|
|
available -- FidoNet doesn't cost a penny. Messages can
|
|
be sent across the country for a mere fraction of the
|
|
costs charged by other carriers and in a much more timely
|
|
fashion than the U. S. Postal Service provides.
|
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|
There are some minuses, however. First, FidoNet
|
|
is not as time-sensitive as other electronic mail.
|
|
Mail is only sent in "packets" to other nodes, and
|
|
usually only once a day. The software can be configured to
|
|
send mail more frequently, however.
|
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|
|
Second, FidoNet requires a high degree of operator
|
|
maintenance, which varies with the complexity of the system.
|
|
Maintaining a public system using all the FidoNet
|
|
capabilities can become quite time-consuming; a
|
|
private Fido system requires far less time and effort.
|
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|
|
FidoNet mail can include messages that are composed on
|
|
the rather primitive line-oriented text editor, which
|
|
allows a bare minimum of functions.
|
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|
|
All messages are edited line by line, and once the
|
|
message has been completed and saved to disk, no more
|
|
changes can be made.
|
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|
|
Fortunately, files generated by other word
|
|
processors can be "attached" to Fido-generated messages,
|
|
allowing some real power to be applied to the messaging
|
|
portion of the program. Additionally, FidoNet can
|
|
transmit binary files such as programs, spreadsheets or
|
|
accounting data. The user need only attach the file
|
|
to a mail message.
|
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|
|
The biggest chore facing a potential operator/user of
|
|
FidoNet is getting the software. This can be done by
|
|
contacting Fido Software through the mail or by
|
|
calling a Fido node and downloading the software
|
|
directly from that system. Fido-node telephone numbers
|
|
normally can be gotten from many of the thousands of
|
|
private BBS systems across the country.
|
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|
|
There are currently about 125 unrestricted Fido
|
|
systems up and running throughout the United States, and
|
|
lately, the rest of the world. (One node is running in
|
|
Indonesia, another in England.)
|
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|
|
Each node has a unique, identifying number, which
|
|
functions as both an "address" for electronic mail and a
|
|
method for synchronizing the network during transmissions.
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Ease of Use
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~~~~~~~~~~~
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It took a few days for this system operator to
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fidonews -- 04 Feb 85 23:20:30 Page 15
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understand and install Fido. Part of this is due to the
|
|
hasty documentation, which has since been rewritten.
|
|
Part, also, is because the design of the software begs a
|
|
substantial amount of fine-tuning. The configuration that
|
|
is developed on the first day of installation may be
|
|
radically different a week later. As a systematized
|
|
method for using Fido develops in an organization, the Fido
|
|
configuration will change even more dramatically.
|
|
|
|
Fido seems to be a comparatively secure system. This
|
|
user was not able to break through any of the user
|
|
interfaces established by the software, nor was I able to
|
|
gain entrance to files or messages that were beyond my
|
|
"privilege level" or security clearance. When the /M
|
|
command switch was invoked, turning my board into a private
|
|
system, I found no method for an unauthorized user to break
|
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in.
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When a new user logs onto the system, he is asked for
|
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a name, a password and the city and state from which
|
|
he is calling. That information is automatically entered
|
|
into a "user log", which maintains information on the
|
|
user's first log-on date, most recent log-on and
|
|
privilege level. The system operator can alter most of
|
|
these specifications with the Sysop utility program
|
|
that works in conjunction with Fido.
|
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|
|
The six privilege levels -- Twit, Disgrace, Normal,
|
|
Privel, Extra and Sysop -- are a security provision of
|
|
Fido, allowing the sysop to control access to the
|
|
system. New users are generally given a privilege level
|
|
of Normal, which allows a wide degree of flexibility in
|
|
system use. At the other extremes, the aptly named
|
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"Twit" level allows virtually no use of the system, while
|
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"Sysop" allows total system control.
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In addition, all system commands can be assigned
|
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privilege levels. For example, the kill file command
|
|
would usually be assigned to the Sysop level; general
|
|
users would not be given the prerogative to recklessly
|
|
erase files from the system. On the other hand, the
|
|
message and file commands, which allow users to move
|
|
from the main Fido area into the message and file
|
|
areas, would be assigned the lowest possible privilege
|
|
levels. Otherwise, low-level users would not be able to
|
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access anything on the system.
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System Construction
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Fido and its main operational files reside in a "root"
|
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directory, while the subsidiary message and file areas
|
|
are actually MS-DOS subdirectories. Each subdirectory can
|
|
have a general content name, such as "worksheet" for
|
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spreadsheet templates or "message" for messages to other
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fidonews -- 04 Feb 85 23:20:38 Page 16
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users. Fido keeps track of which subdirectories are message
|
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areas, which are file areas and which privilege level
|
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is necessary to use a given area.
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In most ways, Fido is a self-maintaining system, able to
|
|
continue 24-hour operation with little operator
|
|
intervention.
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The program exhibits some minor idiosyncrasies, though
|
|
none seems totally debilitating. Most "bugs" are
|
|
promptly attended to by the developer of the software,
|
|
Tom Jennings. New versions, updates and corrections are
|
|
released constantly. A healthy group of longtime users
|
|
constantly supplies the tyros with tips, fixes and news
|
|
about the system. In other words, Fido has a healthy and
|
|
growing support group that should be able to help answer
|
|
many questions and solve the inevitable problems of getting
|
|
the system up and running.
|
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|
|
Fido is a remarkably interesting example of public-domain
|
|
software. It warrants attention because it is apparently
|
|
the sole example of a PC-based electronic messaging and
|
|
file-transfer system. It is the only software for
|
|
microcomputers that uses some of the features found on
|
|
larger electronic-mail systems such as Usenet.
|
|
|
|
Certainly, FidoNet will not suit the needs of everyone.
|
|
Sizable corporations would find this package laughably
|
|
inefficient for their operations. On the other hand, small
|
|
departments within those same corporations might find Fido
|
|
ideal for certain tasks. For many, at the unbelievably
|
|
low price of $0.00, FidoNet will certainly be worth a
|
|
try.
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+------------------------------------------------------+
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| PC WEEK DATABOX
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+------------------------------------------------------+
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| Product: Fido/FidoNet
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| Category: Telecommunications
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| Price: Free from the public domain; $100 from
|
|
Fido Software |
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| Distribution: Direct/bulletin boards
|
|
| Description: Electronic bulletin-board system that
|
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incorporates |
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| electronic mail
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|
| Who Should Buy: Those with a need to send
|
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electronic mail, |
|
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| messages and files from one site to another
|
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| Copy-Protected: No
|
|
| Requirements: DOS 2.X, 256K bytes of RAM, two
|
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double-sided, |
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| double-density disk drives (hard disk advised)
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| Company:
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| Fido Software
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fidonews -- 04 Feb 85 23:20:46 Page 17
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| San Francisco, CA 94114
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| (415) 864-1418 (modem only)
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NOTICE OF PERMISSION TO COPY: Granted 2/1/85 by
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telephone/letter:
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PC WEEK Licensing, Jean Lamensdorf
|
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(212) 503-5448
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To: Bob Klahn, SYSOP, Fido #211
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P. O. Box 724
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We are a company which provides computer
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|
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REVELATION clearly came out the winner. The bottom line
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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|
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much memory as your machine has to 640K. Minimum is 320K.
|
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Some great features: Variable length fields: when
|
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defining a field in your database you need not define how
|
|
many characters have to be in that field. Most other
|
|
database require you to define how many characters will be
|
|
in a field. So for instance if you defined your Zip code
|
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field to contain 5 characters and later changed to the 9
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character zip code you would be in great trouble, in
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Revelation no problem you just input as many characters as
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you wish . Variable length fields can also save you lots of
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disk space. A client of ours had a DBASE application which
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took 38K of space on disk. After converting over to
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Revelation the same file only occupied 8K! Multi-valued
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fields allow you to save much disk storage as well as
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organize your data more efficiently. For example I know
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someone who had a file under DBASE that was 39K .After
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converting over to Revelation the same file was 8K!
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Multivalued fields allows you to have more than one value
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per field for the same record!
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I.E. Instead of:
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Company Address City State
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Zip Invoice#
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Clear Star International 203 East Mcmillan Cinti Oh
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45219 A2347
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Clear Star International 203 East Mcmillan Cinti Oh
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45219 G4692
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Clear Star International 203 East Mcmillan Cinti Oh
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45219 H3212
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You can have:
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Clear Star International 203 East Mcmillan Cinti Oh
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45219 A2347
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G4692
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H3212
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Symbolic fields allow you to have a formula in them that
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can be used for calculations, looking up information in
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other files or could contain a 34K RBASIC (Revelation's
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programming language) program! Joining of information of
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several files is done 'on the fly' no need to dump the data
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to another file before you can even see the data. Any
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command which Revelation has YOU can give your own name to.
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For instance instead of: List Customers ,you can have GIMME
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Customers. In fact you could have dozens of names for the
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same commands. This is also true of fields you define for
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your databases I.E. List Customers Name,List Customer
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Contact, List Customers Friend, Can all mean the same thing.
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An interesting approach Cosmos took was to contract customer
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support to a company calld ELF. They can be reached in the
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U.S. at 1-800-422-2511. The support they provide is
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incredible . I have found them able to answer questions for
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those who don't know a program from a database to those who
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want help on a specific application to altering Revelation
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source code itself etc.. Cosmos provides SOURCE CODE for
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parts of Revelation so that you can modify it. Another
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incredible fact about ELF if you call and they are tied up
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they will take your name and number and say they will call
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you back. Guess what they really do call you back! All in
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all I would say that of all the hardware and software
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products we have delt with Elf provides the best technical
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support I have seen yet. They also publish a monthly Journal
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called REVTECH that provides lots of interesting info and
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routines for Revelation including some undocumented
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features. Anyway because of our enthusiasm for the product
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and the support we began to show it to many of our clients
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who in turn wanted to order it and have us develope
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applications for them. Thus, we have taken a new direction
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with Revelation and actually sell it as well now. Our price
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for FIDONET Members is $735.00 plus shipping which is
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$215.00 dollars off list. Revelation also supports the 8087
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chip (not required ) which we sell for $100.00. We also
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have provided training/education in addition to software
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development for many clients. The current Revelation
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version is release F. Version G in beta-test now will
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operate on LAN's using NOVELL NETWARE software.Which is the
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best of its kind. Also a new single user version is due out
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in April which will have lots of new features.
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Incidentally,Elf also markets Utility disks which contain
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programs to enhance Revelation. You can also interface
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Assembly language routines to Revelation. I find the
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documentation very thorough and easy to read. There are a
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few typos here and there but doc files on disk clear those
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fidonews -- 04 Feb 85 23:21:04 Page 19
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up. The manual is divided into several sections
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Tutorials,Revelation commands,Rdesign,Text editors ,RNET
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and Rbasic. The tutorials correspond to sample database
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files provided on disk. Also several samples Rbasic
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programs are provided. Revelation itself IS NOT COPY
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PROTECTED IN ANY WAY another great selling point . Average
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learning time?? I would say this depends upon the scope of
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the applications you are developing. You can use Revelation
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within hours by following the menus. If you are developing
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complicated applications and need to use the actual
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programming language itself learning time will depend upon
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the depth of database/programming knowledge the developer
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has.
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I hope this Tip of the iceberg look gives you some
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conception of the capabilities Revelation has. If you
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require any assistance ,further information, etc. don't
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hesitate to contact me.
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Warmest Regards,
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Daniel Sternklar
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President
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Clear Star International
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203 East Mcmillan
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Suite 12B
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Cincinnati,Oh 45219
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(513) 561-0882 (513) 421-5452
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Source BBY908 Compuserve 75115,73
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FIDO 85 (513) 579-2587
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*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
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* *
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* : The : *
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* ::: Adventures ::: *
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* : : : of : : : *
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* : WANGMASTER : *
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* : : *
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*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
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INTRODUCTION :
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These are the on-going adventures of The WANGMASTER. His
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five year mission, to seek out and educate naive young
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women, to explore strange new positions, to boldly do what
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no man has done before : find desirable MTV's Martha Quinn !
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Once a shy and retiring 132 pound weakling in the hills of
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Maryland, Wang was inexorably drawn a few years ago to the
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fast lane in too cool California, where fate led him to
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that famous Tasmanian Guru, Swami Buster Rajneesh Horsedong
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Hyman. This great guru took little Wang under his tutelage
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and taught him the ways of Wangmastery, blessing him with
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the Holy Oyster of Hugerodduperdam, before returning to his
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fidonews -- 04 Feb 85 23:21:11 Page 20
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native land. Wang's duty : to educate as many women as
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possible and spread the Word of the Swami from the desert to
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the sea to all of southern California in preparation for the
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Coming : the day when Buster would move his Promiscuous
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Practice from Tasmania to So. Cal. The rest is history.
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Today, Wang is a 132 pounds of irresistable manhood :
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Allistair Cooke wrapped in a Tom Selleck body with a dash of
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Woody Allen thrown in for vulnerability and sensitivity. He
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is the James Dean of jacuzzis.
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Join us each week for....The Adventures of WANGMASTER.
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NOTICES
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As a matter of brief introduction, I am Bill
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Macneill, SYSOP of FIDO node #202 in Boston, Massachusetts
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(1-617-721-1688).
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Recently, one of the members of my Board (DEC-Line
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-- a DEC Micro oriented board) uploaded a game file known as
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JETSET.BAS...a jet plane simulator, and one of the great
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classic public domain games. The problem with JETSET,
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however, is that it is SOOOOOOO SLOWWWWWWW!
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I would very much like the readers of this
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newsletter to advise me as to whether JETSET has been
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compiled to operate directly as an 'executable' under the
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MSDOS operating environment. If one of you is familiar with
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such a file, please advise me where I can obtain a copy...or
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even better, why don't you just call and upload to DEC-
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Line?? Again, we are at 1-617-721-1688 in Boston....
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Bill Macneill, SYSOP
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DEC-Line FIDO#202
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FOR SALE
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I HAVE 2 NEW 20 MEG HARD DRIVES WHICH ARE EXTERNAL
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WITH CASE AND POWER SUPPLY, CABLES AND CONTROLLER CARDS.
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COVERED BY ONE YEAR WARRANTY.
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DRIVES MADE BY CMI. CONTROLLER-DTC CARD.
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EACH UNTIL IS SELLING FOR $1375.00
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ALL ARE BRAND NEW IN THE BOX WITH FULL DOC'S
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CONTACT RICHARD LEVEY VIA FIDO 79.
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We now have the PC to XT upgrade chip in stock for immediate
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delivery. This chip allows your PC to emulate the XT in
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speed for both super fast disk access, and super fast memory
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access. The boot up time for a 640K machine complete with
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TOTAL ram check is a mere 20 seconds...not 3 MINUTES !!!!!
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The chip is a ROM replacement easily installed by any PC
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owner. We sell the chip for $145.00 shipping included.
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CONTACT SYSOP NODE 357 FOR DETAILS OR TO ORDER.
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DELAER INQUIRIES INVITED !!!!!
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I HAVE THE FOLLOWING FOR SALE AT THIS TIME.
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fidonews -- 04 Feb 85 23:21:18 Page 21
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1 D.S.D.D. DRIVE BRAND NEW NEVER USED
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2 S.S.D.D. DRIVES BRAND NEW NEVER USED
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ALL COVERED BY MANUFACTURERS WARRANTY.
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PACKAGE PRICE IS $200 (AMERICAN)
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CONTACT ME VIA NODE 79 UNTIL I GET MY
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NODE NUMBER.....RICHARD LEVEY
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The Pacesetter Company
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11118 Cripplegate Road
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Potomac, Md. 20854
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(301) 299-3228 >
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(301) 921-1011 > All data lines
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(202) 376-7732 >
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All data lines operating at 300/1200 -- 7 days / 24 hrs
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"7 % over wholesale"
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Prices are effective through Jan 31., 1985
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The Pace - The Pacesetter Company (As Above)
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Conr. La - Conroy La Pointe (800) 547-1289
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Pc- Conn - PC - Connection 1-800-243-8088
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Softline - Softline 1-800-221-1260
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GSL Comp - GSL Computing 1-800-545-2633
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For complete description see below
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Item -- The Pace -- Conr. La -- PC-Conn -- Softline -- GSL Comp
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AST 6-PAK w/
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384K inst. 379.00 465.00 504.00 449.00 449.00
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Hayes 1200
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external 458.13 489.00 459.00 459.00 479.00
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Hayes 2400
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external 630.70 N/A N/A CALL N/A
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Quadram Q-Bd.
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w/384K inst. 369.00 525.00 494.00 469.00 459.00
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Quadram
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Quadlink 354.24 449.00 N/A N/A N/A
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Quadram
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Quadmeg 1652.00 N/A N/A N/A N/A
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256K chips
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per set of 9 140.00 N/A N/A CALL N/A
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64K chips
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per set of 9 28.00 35.00 39.00 40.00 32.00
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AST 6-Pak comes with 384K of 200 NS RAM, clock/calendar, one
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serial port, one parallel port, and software. This card is
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the industry standard. It is very reliable and the software
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performs well.
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Hayes SM 1200 is the de facto standard of the type 212A
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fidonews -- 04 Feb 85 23:21:25 Page 22
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modems. Most of the communications programs available
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support the Hayes. It is extremely accurate.
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Hayes SM 2400 is a very new modem from Hayes. It operates at
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about two times the speed of the 1200. The only drawback is
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that it does not support 300 baud.
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Quadram Expanded Quadboard comes with 384K of 200 NS RAM,
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clock/calendar, one serial port, one parallel port, one game
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port, I/O bracket, and Quadmaster software. This cards
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performs as well as the AST 6-Pak and is slightly cheaper.
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Quadram Quadlink allows the IBM PC to emulate the Apple II
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line of computers. It comes with all cables and installation
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software. It is a great tool if you already own APPLE
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software.
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Quadram Quadmeg is a very new product out on the market. It
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allows a standard IBM PC to access two megabytes of memory.
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This price includes the full two megabytes of memory and
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software.
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64K and 256K chips are industry standard. The 64K chips
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works with all boards that are compatible with 4164-200NS
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chips. The 256K chips are made for the new boards such as the
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Quadram Quadmeg.
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AST 6-PAK is a trademark of AST Research, Inc. Hayes 1200
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and 2400 are trademarks of Hayes Microcomputer Products, Inc.
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Quadram Quadboard and Quadmeg are trademarks of Quadram, Inc.
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64K and 256K are products of Micron Technologies, Inc.
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These prices were are taken from the February 5, 1985, PC
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Magazine. N/A means either the products is too new or the
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company does not sell this product. CALL means call them for
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the current price quote. PC Magazine is a trademark of
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Ziff-Davis Publishing, Inc.
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We welcome you to call these and any other mail-order firms.
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These are just a sample of products that we carry. Call one
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of our BBS's for the most current pricing on a complete stock
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of IBM PC and compatible hardware and software. Any
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suggestions welcome.
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The Pacesetter Company
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WANTED
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WANTED TO BUY: One used Gavilan computer.
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Send details (accessories, condition and price) to:
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Andy Meyer, FidoNet, Fido #317 - or contact Sysop of
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SMC-70 Citadel: (201) 930-6483 [24 hours, 300 baud]
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