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fidonews -- 06 Jan 85 21:32:56 Page 1
Volume 2, Number 1 6 Jan 85
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Editor: Tom Jennings
Publisher: Fido #1
Chief Procrastinator: Tom Jennings
.........................................
Disclaimer or dont-blame-me:
The contents of the articles contained here are not
my responsibility, nor do I necessarily agree with them;
everything here is subject to debate. I publish EVERYTHING
received.
You can take this to mean anything you want, but
hopefully as an invitation to comment, make suggestions, or
write articles of your own.
.........................................
HOT NEWS
The new years first newsletter ... more and more
articles and ads every week. One complaint from a few
people: not too much of interest to general users, so far
all articles have been from Sysops. While that is fine,
maybe encourage a few users to send articles? FidoNews is
NOT only for sysops, it is for anyone.
Still looking for a name for the FidoNet Users
Group. As mentioned last week, the idea is to find a name of
four words, such that F I D O is an acronoym, as well as the
first word ... recursive name.
With the European and Asian traffic building up,
probably the second word should be International. So ...
F ido
I nternational
D ???
O ???
fidonews -- 06 Jan 85 21:33:03 Page 2
Anyone want to write a regular (or sporadic) column?
Pick your subject.
Next weeks newsletter will probably be a day late,
Tuesday, or possibly Wednesday at the latest.
fidonews -- 06 Jan 85 21:33:03 Page 3
NEWS
ARTICLE SUBMISSION
The format of FidoNews is totally ad hoc; please
make recomendations as to formats, sections needed, liked,
or hated, columns you'd like to see, or see removed,
anything at all. If you want to submit something regularly,
we can start a column for you.
You are ENCOURAGED to send things in for the
newsletter. ANYTHING is fit for the newsletter, such as a
description of your board, problems found, questions, jokes,
fixes, horror stories about wrong FidoNet numbers, things
for sale, etc etc etc.
SUBMITTING AN ARTICLE
An article should have your name, node number (if
applicable), followed by the text. Text can be any ASCII
derivative; WordStar, soft paragraphs, 8th bit set, etc are
all OK.
Articles can be uploaded at either Fido #1, #27 or
#51, or by sending it by FidoNet. Make sure the file name is
unique, especially if you send it by FidoNet, so you dont
overwrite another article.
Article (Warning?) Submitted by David Horowitz (SysOp 317)
As many of you already know, Fido does not care if the file
name is listed in the FILES.BBS file. If the user knows the
name of the file or does a wildcard download he can get the
file.
What is prompting me to write this is that I just realized
that he does not even have to know the name of the file. Any
user can do an *.* find (ie. L *.*). With this a user can
get a 'raw display' of every file area he has access to.
[ED. Note: L (nor F) does not list RawFiles, ie. the actual files on
the disk. It lists only the contents of FILES.BBS. Unless the R command
is low enough privelege, users cannot get a list of files.
It is correct though, that download *.* >WILL< be able to download any
files in the directory, and selective download (like "USER.BBS") works
too. ]
This just brings out the very important fact that you should
never keep Licenced (Non-public Domain) software in any user
accesable area.
This has also prompted me to make the raw display command a
normal privelaged command. Since it is very easy to get
files that should not be there in the first place, I might as
well make the users life a little easier. Since the
fidonews -- 06 Jan 85 21:33:11 Page 4
FILES.BBS file takes a long time to display, and often has a
lot of text that has already been read countless times.
I would also like to ask other SysOps to do the same thing.
When looking around Fido Systems many of the files are the
same. On almost every system I have to read the same
descriptions over and over again. I am sure you see the
redundancy in this. That's all I have to say, and to any
Sysop that does make R(aw display a normal privelage command
- thanks in advance.
Dave H.
The Pacesetter Company
11118 Cripplegate Road
Potomac, Md. 20854
Sysop: Brian Driscoll
Fido Node:305
BBS Numbers (301) 299-3228, (301) 921-0111, (202) 376-7732
800 for Fido!
In the December 24th edition of "FidoNews," there was an article
discussing the feasability of running FidoNet through an 800 number.
This particular idea interested me so I did some studying. The only company
currently capable of running an 800 number is AT & T. The rate schedule was
run down in the previous article but for a short synopsis...
Installation : 366.95
Monthly Service: 36.80
Usage Charges / Hour: 9.22 (11PM - 8 AM) (All Weekend)
Let us figure that the computer (& 800 number) would be used 10% (a modest
estimate) of the time.
Monthly Charge : 36.80
(10% of the time) :342.98 (Hey Guys! I got that without Sidekick!)
Total Chage :379.78
Figuring on 150 nodes in 3 months (prospective start date..)
at mandatory participation : 2.53 per month
at eighty percent : 3.16 per month
Very marginal results you must say...
Part II -- Initial Set-Up
I, Brian Driscoll, propose that we (all of us crazy sysops), donate
a system to be used as the 800 fido connection. I propose that the system
should be an IBM PC. This system should be put in either of two places:
1) In the state with the fewest Fido Boards (800 does not include home state)
2) Given to the beloved and exalted author (that's you Tom. .. ) to be
run from California. He deserves it... (Maybe .. Maybe not...)
The system would be purchased through The Pacesetter Company (that's me..).
The system will cost wholesale cost..... for exact figures.. see below
1 IBM PC w/ 2 DS/DD Drives : 1488.35
1 AST 6-PAK w/ 384K, etc...: 385.00
1 20 MB Internal Hard Disk : 825.00 (Approx.)
1 Monochrome Set : 325.00 (Approx.) (Montior + Card)
Total Cost : 3023.35
+ 800 installation : 366.95
3390.30
divided by 120 sysops (80%) : 28.25 per node
fidonews -- 06 Jan 85 21:33:19 Page 5
Part III -- Secondary Expansion
Secondary Expansion would be solved by the additional funds received
by new sysops (and nodes). In this way, we can build an account that will
earn interest (if put in a bank). This would provide for further expansion
and necessary money for any repairs.
Part IV -- MSPRINT Service --
The only other alternative available would be to go with Sprint. This
requires a serparate access code for each specific area. This is very similar
to calling CompuServe ... to go this way...
Installation : 45.00
Monthly Charge: 15.00
Usage per hour: 7.24
A little bit cheaper than AT & T ...
Monthly Service : 15.00
(10% of the time):269.32 (800 Number used 10% of the time)
Total :284.32
Cost for mandatory use (150 sysops) : 1.90
Cost for 80 % use (120 sysops) : 2.37
As you can see this would be a good deal cheaper than going with AT & T.
Part V - The End
I have (hopefully) explained the basic ideas behind 800 use. My facts
and figures were given to me by AT & T and Sprint respectively. They do differ
with Mr. Baker report. I am not sure of the reason for this. Next week, I will
try to delve into the possibility of using a 800 number for a national Fido
Connection (CompuServe-like).
All Comments should be directed to:
Fido # 305 (301) 299-3228 (Data)
Thanks for all your time and effort in reading this report. Hopefully,
you have gained something out of it. (other than a few good yawns)
Thanks again,
Brian D. Driscoll
From: Jon Tara on FIDO92
Subject: 800 number
I can spot a few flaws in Ben Baker's (FIDO 10) suggestion of
a national FIDOnet server:
1) The figures he has quoted sound optimisticaly low. I checked
into 800 service a couple of months ago, and the costs were
much higher. I can't find my notes, and I'm not willing to
go through the hassle I went through to get them the first
time, so I can't quote exact figures. It was more like $10/hr
night though. The 5.40/hr figure may be based on a certain
(very high) volume. Other companies provide "800-like" service,
by the way. You dial a local access number, then a six-digit
code. Costs are generally a bit lower than ATT (but still not
as low as $5.40/hr) and you can have it dial-in to a hunt
sequence, with no limit on the number of simultaneous calls.
2) I doubt that FIDOnet currently has sufficient volume to support
such a service. Once newsletter distribution is perfected
fidonews -- 06 Jan 85 21:33:27 Page 6
and we get a few different newsletters flying around, maybe
it will.
3) Billing 50-100 systems is going to be a major hassle.
4) The twit factor. This is the real killer. Some twit is
GOING to find out the 800-number and dial-in constantly.
FIDOnet hangs up if contact isn't established, but that
takes at least 30 seconds. With an autodialer, said twit(s)
could insure that we get billed for 90% or so of the time
that the system is able to receive calls, and at no cost
to them!
I think, rather, that the key to low-cost FIDOnet service is finding
the right long-distance company, and pooling local nodes to qualify for
volume discounts. (For example, I use Telemarketing Communications
Corp. They aren't very big, so their service is unfortunately available
in a few cities - check your yellow pages. They lease ATT Watts lines
(not a satellite or microwave network, although presumably ATT makes
use of those at times) bill in six-second increments with no one-minute
minimum or additional first minute charge. My maximum message cost
anywhere in the U.S. is 8 cents.)
There are also many corporate and academic phone networks and
leased lines and trunks which get little use at night, where FIDOnodes
could be set up. The biggest problem with these right now, though,
is that you need nodes on both ends to get a two-way link. I would
urge Tom to go ahead and add two-way message exchange capability,
so that we could take advantage of those links. There should be some
capability to designate nodes to "poll" whether there is outgoing
traffic or not, so that incoming messages could be picked up on a
regular basis.Article for FidoNet News
Robert E. Spivack
Sysop Fido #346
San Jose, CA
As a followup to some of the suggestions raised in the 31 Dec
Newsletter:
1. (Minor Point): If possible, please adopt a naming scheme for
the newsletter files that identifies each issue with a unique
name that makes archiving them a little easier.
2. I agree with the suggestion for "picking up mail", "polling",
or whatever you wish to call it. We are all using 1200 baud (and
I would guess 2400 baud in the near future) full duplex modems,
yet all file transfers use half duplex protocols. Would it
actually be feasible for two Fido's to swap mail files at the
same time (in full duplex)? Of course, the length of the total
phone call would be dictated by whichever end has the longest
file to send.
The accounting system would have to CREDIT and debit based on the
adjusted transfer. I.E. if node #5 calls node #6 and sends 3
messages but retrieves 5, node #5 should have a net credit of 2
fidonews -- 06 Jan 85 21:33:35 Page 7
messages on node #6. Could get very tricky quickly.
3. (More reasonable) I would like to see a separate dialing
parameter file for specifying long distance dialing. Currently,
the nodelist file must be manually edited to adjust for: the
local area code (other local nodes must not have area codes in
their phone numbers), the type of long distance dialing (some
parts of the country prefix long-distance calls with a "1",
others do not), and possible local pbx codes (outside lines from
office phones may require an "8", or a "9". Finally, some
systems, (unfortunately a Rolm switch where I work), require an 8
digit (more or less) access code. Thus the whole dialing
sequence might be "8,12345678,(415)-555-1212". By putting this
"user dependent" dialing stuff in a separate file, the master
node list would not have to be changed by anyone.
The "DIALING.BBS" file might have:
local area code: 408
local dialing prefix string: 8, (comma is "Hayes" pause)
long distance dialing prefix string: 8,12345678,
Of course, the dialing routines in FidoNet would know to read the
parameter file and adjust the dialed number accordingly.
3A. (low priority) If the goal of #3 is allow distribution of a
virgin nodelist, one might also argue to keep the costs in
another file so that each Sysop could adjust the cost for sending
mail without changing the main nodelist file. Personally, I
don't think this is as much of a problem or could be handled
later if needed.
4. (Not really a suggestion) Being a bit new to Fido, let me
ask a question which borders on the "yet another request for a
gateway" but hopefully won't be a direct request.
Assume that you know FidoNet will only be sending mail/files to
one other node. (Can be contrived by using a special schedule
with only two nodes enabled). Can one stop Fido after it
prepares the outgoing packet before it actually sends it, then
using a non Fido means (like manually XMODEM'ing) transfer the
file to the destination node (which is NOT running Fido at the
moment), and finally, when Fido is started in the receiving node
could it process the incoming packet not knowing that it was sent
in this round-about way?
Now that I have totally confused everyone, let me explain the
(possibly convoluted) reasoning behind this. If two Sysops, say
one on the West Coast and one on the East coast agree to act as a
manual gateway, if this technique worked, it might be possible to
create a very viable super-gateway without months and months of
modifications to Fido (or perhaps only slight changes to make
this work.)
Why would this be useful in place of the normal FidoNet mail
link? Well, what if these two sysops each have access to a
"private, but zero-cost or low-cost communications link" that
they have permission to use? This would allow them to gateway
fidonews -- 06 Jan 85 21:33:43 Page 8
mail between other nodes without having to sacrifice the security
of their private link thereby losing the privilege.
Since the link is private, it would never use the same protocol
that FidoNet uses (this is a response to the question "if Fido
software could be enhanced with complete gateway support, why
would this private-manual-link ever be needed?").
A quote that many of us are familiar with is "Imitation is the
sincerest form of flattery". A corollary that is suitable for
readers of this newsletter and TJ is "requests for enhancements
are the sincerest form of thank-you for a useful program".
Thanks Tom for a wonderful package. AS IS it is great.
Improvements only make it better and better.
NOTICES
FOR SALE
----The Pacesetter Company----
11118 Cripplegate Road
Potomac, Md. 20854
" 7% over Wholesale "
You got it ! The Pacesetter sells computer software and hardware at 7 %
over wholesale. No club memberships, no come ons, just good, low prices.
All the time including such popular items as Hayes modems, Alloy Hard Disks,
and AST 6-Paks. Come on -- call us --
(301) 299 - 3228 (Our BBS)
Thanks again... Brian Driscoll
From Enrique Mora on Fido 314
Creative Computer Consulting
4900 Ledgestone Dr.
Fort Worth Texas
76132
Special offer to all FIDO sysops
--------------------------------
All FIDO sysops will receive discounts of cost plus ten
percent (plus s/h) on all orders over $100.00.
CCC is a dealer of hardware, software, accessories and books
for a number of micro computers, including:
IBM PC and Compatibles
DEC
Xerox
Apple
Commodore
Atari
Victor
cp/m 5 1/4" and 8"
fidonews -- 06 Jan 85 21:33:49 Page 9
If you are thinking of purchasing some computer related
equipment call or send a message via FIDONET to FIDO#314. We
will be glad to give you a quote.
Creative Computer Consulting - Sponsoring FIDO#314
voice (817)346-2653
data (817)294-7383
WANTED
WANTED TO BUY: One used Gavilan computer.
Send details (accessories, condition and price) to:
Andy Meyer, FidoNet, Fido #317 - or contact Sysop of
SMC-70 Citadel: (201) 930-6483 [24 hours, 300 baud]
fidonews -- 06 Jan 85 21:33:50 Page 10
FIDOLIST: HUMAN READABLE
List of Fido Based Bulletin Board Systems
Updated 04 Jan 85 by Fido 51
Please send updates,corrections or other information to:
Fido #51.
All are 24 hrs 300/1200 baud except as noted
Times listed are in the BBS's local time zone
RE == restricted, or private or by request,etc.
WE == plus Weekends
SU == plus Sunday, etc
RT == route all mail to node as specified
1 Fido's-Board San Francisco, CA Tom Jennings(415)-864-1418
2. CLP-FIDO Pikesville, MD John Madill (301)-484-2831
3. FidoSouth Atlanta, GA Lane Fowler (404)-938-4808
4. Bulldog St. Louis, MO Tony Clark (314)-441-9297
5. Batie's Backyard Corvallis, OR Alan Batie -DOWN-
6. CastleNet Corvallis, OR Lee Damon (503)-754-5244 After 1/9
7. Bob_Overlock Waimea, HI Bob Overlock (808)-338-1277
8. Demon New York, NY Danny Feinsmith -DOWN-
9. GDC_Connection Middlebury, CT Jim Ryan -UNPUBLISHED- RE,RT 319
10. MDC/RCC St. Louis, MO Ben Baker (314)-234-1462 5p - 8a
11. PRO-TECH Cypress, CA Sanford Zelkovitz (714)-898-8634 down temp
13. Vern's_Fido San Jose, CA Vern Crawford (408)-923-5565
14. WayStar Marlboro, MA Kevin Porter (617)-481-7147
16. Mikes_Board St. Louis, MO Mike Mellinger (314)-726-3448
17. DCA_BBS St. Louis, MO Jon Wichman (314)-962-0395
18. Steve_Hedlund Van Nuys, CA Steve Hedlund -DOWN-
21. Phoenix_Sfwr Norwood, MA Bob Vandette (617)-769-0850 RE
22. PCLUG St. Louis, MO Ken Kaplan (314)-576-2743
25. Take-A-Byte Anaheim, CA Robert Collins (714)-995-2428
26. MicroFonePC Fresno, CA Bob Robesky (209)-227-2083 5p - 9a WE
27. Daves_Fido Gardner, MA David Rene (617)-632-1861
28. World Control Baltimore, MD Rob White (301)-653-2074
*31.HamRadioWest Riverside, CA John Warren (714)-681-0974 11p - 530p WE
32. Artesia_BBS Artesia, CA George Gilbert (213)-402-6217
33. Rod_Smallwood England Rod Smallwood 01144-635-4680
34. CrossFire Philadelphia, PA Todd Savar (215)-565-7639
35. ConsultNet Saratoga, CA Jim Turley -DOWN-
36. Rainbow_Data Los Angeles, CA Don Brauns (213)-204-2996
38. Bill1000Jr Madison, WI Bill Thousand,Jr. -DOWN-
39. KarlRegier Reedley, CA Karl Reiger -DOWN-
40. RonCrain Birmingham, MI Ron Crain (313)-646-5159 11p - 6a
42. MetChem New Haven, CT Jon Bauer (203)-281-7287 8p - 8a
43. Seequa_Computer Odenton, MD Bob Depelteau (301)-672-3627
44. NECS Arlington, MA Dave Mitton (617)-646-3610
45. Midnight_DEC Boston, MA David Strickler (617)-353-7528 12a - 5p
46. Joes_Rainbow St. Mary, FL Joe Clayton (305)-321-2369
47. The_Workshop AnaheimHills,CA Brian Majewski(714)-974-6925
48. El_Dorado Houston, TX Paul Wells (713)-488-8771 RE
49. NW/RBBS-PC Portland, OR Doug Forman (503)-233-6583
or (503)-666-8265
50. Crystal_Cavern Austin, TX Scott Ashcraft (512)-263-5805
51. DECUS_CENTRAL St. Louis, MO Sysops16,17,&22(314)-432-4129
fidonews -- 06 Jan 85 21:34:00 Page 11
52. TOPCC Thousand Oaks, CA Gary Vedvik (805)-499-8378 4p - 8a WE
53. SE_C-Board Woodstock, GA Ken Shackelton (404)-928-1876
54. CEL_Comm_1 Seattle, WA C.E. Langenberg (206)-725-9413
56. Denver_Fido Denver, CO Oscar Barlow (303)-973-9338
57. MCCPowers Northbrook, IL Russ French (312)-480-8730
58. PiCoSystems El Toro, CA Jim Baumgartner (714)-855-3282 RE
59. Washco_FidoNet Beaverton, OR Vic Bachulis (503)-629-5581
60. Artichoke Houston, TX Justin Marquez (713)-870-8803 6p - 8a WE
61. RAMS Rochester, MN John Pritchard (507)-289-8452
62. Data_Jockey Bellevue, WA Darrin Smith (206)-643-0909 7p - 8a SU
63. WCE Waterford, MI Bob Leffler (313)-623-1089
64. Graf_Spee Houston, TX Jay Maynard (713)-530-2334 Irregular
65. TWACS St. Louis, MO Tony Clark(See also #4)(314)-895-6471 RE
66. Info*Net Costa Mesa, CA Richard Hart (714)-642-4408
67. DEC_Domain Lubbock, TX Alan Minchew (806)-795-0102
69. Sailboard Highland, MI Jim Kovalsky (313)-887-7429
71. Rosenburg_Express Rosenburg, TX Ken Collins(713)-342-9349
72. Harry_Chesley San Francisco, CA H. Chesley (415)-563-2491
73. Eagle-1 Ashland, MA Dave Hornbaker (617)-881-6495 After 1/22
74. The_Bears_Den Falls Church, VA Kurt Reisler(703)-671-0598 6a - 12p
75. ThumbTech Plano, TX Matt Legare (214)-985-7926
77. GMCC Boulder, CO Kent Leonard (303)-497-6968
78. Living_Sober San Carlos, CA Rick G. (415)-593-5583 Moving??
79. DEC-WARE New York, NY Matt Kanter (212)-535-8924
80. Eldon_Ziegler Columbia, MD Eldon Ziegler (301)-992-3835 RE
81. PC-WORLD Philadelphia, PA Sal Marandola (215)-465-2278 4p - ??
82. DEC-House Cherry Hill, NJ Brian Sietz (609)-429-6630 12a - 530p
83. Harmer's_Hut Philadelphia,PA Brian Harmer (215)-565-7639 No Inc FNet
84. SCI-Fido Oakland, CA Mike Farren -DOWN-
85. Allens_Board Cincinnati, OH Allen Miller (513)-579-2587
86. Grummons_Fido Bethpage, NY Don Daniels (516)-575-5838
87. Deus_Ex_Machina San Diego, CA Bruce Webster(619)-286-7838
88. Wizards_Tower Teterboro, NJ Karl Schinke (201)-288-9076 5p - 8a WE
89. Boondocks Rock Island, IL Jonathan Smith (309)-794-0289
90. MidNet UW_Madison, WI Mike Mansfield (608)-233-8449
91. The_DEAD_END Round Rock, TX Steve Sparks (512)-255-1282
92. PCUTILboard Detroit, MI Jon Tara (313)-393-0527
99. The_REAL_Fido San Francisco,CA Tom Jennings -UNPUBLISHED- RE,RT 1
104. Baby_BYTE/Net Peterborough, NH George Bond (603)-924-9820
108. Samson Rolling Meadows,IL Larry Miglore (312)-991-8304 5p - 8a WE
115. Arquimedes Washington,DC Sam Hargadine (202)-332-9512
117. Jim_Filgo Jakarta, INDONESIA Jim Filgo 01162-21-372518
124. TimeLifeBks Alexandria, VA Eldon Ziegler (703)-833-7355 RE
125. Radar's_Node Fairfax, VA Joel O'Rourke (703)-978-0351 Irregular
130. Paul_Munson Costa_Mesa, CA Paul Munson (714)-650-6422
200. Grinnell_Fido Grinnell, IA Bob Stanis (515)-236-2578 Down temp.
201. Ham_Radio_Net Newington, CT Ed Raso (203)-665-1114
202. DEC-Line Boston, MA Bill McNeill (617)-721-1688
203. Dark_Planet Branford, CT Peter Sashka (203)-488-3440
204. Noble_House NYC, NY Jonathan Youngwood (212)-534-8557 10p - 4p
205. Alex's_DragonDom NYC, NY Alexander Morris (212)-496-7946
206. BlueStar Edmonds, WA Craig Derouen (206)-745-5368 RE
207. Northern_Reaches New Haven, CT Geoff Hickey(203)-865-1794
208. Bruce's_Fido W. Hartford, CT Bruce Lomaski (203)-236-3761
#209.Firesign_Theater North Haven,CT Bill Becker(203)-234-0142
300. WeyCoFidoByter Federal Way, WA Steve Butler(206)-924-2955 5p - 8a WE
301. Beyond_War Los Angeles, CA Andrew Kanter (213)-477-5706
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302. Don Quixote Rochester, MN Pat George (507)-288-8901 8p - 8a WE
303. Strictly_Sfwr Honolulu, HI Mike Oya (808)-944-0562 7p - 10a
304. Westlake_BBS Austin, TX Albert Nurick (512)-327-7926 6p - 7a SU
305. The_Pacesetter Potomac, MD Brian Driscoll (301)-299-3228
306. Left_Cartridge Cincinnati, OH Paul Martin (513)-797-7040 RE
307. DalTex_FIDOnet Dallas, TX Chris Bradley (214)-991-7934
308. Software_PLUS Cincinnati, OH Dave Schleper (513)-621-9273 7p - 9a
309. Marc's_FIDO Portland, OR Marc Frajola -UNPUBLISHED- RE,RT 59
310. Daves_Annex Westminister, MA Dave Rene (617)-874-4325 4p - 7a WE
311. The_Lair Altamonte Springs, FL Robert Hupf (305)-830-8494 430p-8a WE
312. Cinci_Comm_Net Fairfield, OH Jeff Perrigo (513)-874-0226 9p - 7a
313. Mikes_Rainbow Garden Grove,CA Mike Hamilton(714)-537-7355
314. One_Paticular_Harbour Ft Worth,TX Cpt Utley(817)-294-7383
315. DD_Network Boston, MA Dana Long (617)-536-4670 12a - 5p
On Weekends 12a - 10a
316. Miami's_1st_Fido Miami, FL Al de la Torre (305)-554-4602
317. DEC-WARE_II Iselen, NJ David Horowitz (201)-750-3748
318. PC_WeeK Needham, MA Garry Ray (617)-449-4727
319. Tribury_Fido Waterbury, CT Phil Mongelluzzo(203)-574-2449 7p - 11p
On Weekends 10a - 10p plus FNet Nat'l Mail
320. Surprise_Pak Orange, CT David Hecht (203)-795-0339
321. CANADA_1 Willowdale, ONT Vic Kass (416)-226-9260
322. PTC_Net Mt Vernon, WA Arlen Fletcher (206)-757-5233 5p - 7a WE
323. PC-Exploration Garland, TX Gary J. Carter (214)-530-9143
324. UW_Hat Madison, WI Michael Mansfield (608)-262-4469 8p - 8a WE
325. Quantum_BBS Potomac, MD Mike Merrell (301)-340-2486
Interim Sched. 3p Fri - 8a Mon WE Only
326. The_Barn_Board Cinncinati,OH Robert Emerson(513)-752-8248
327. Toronto_RCP/M_4 Toronto, ONT Jud Newell (416)-231-0538 RE
328. Toronto_RCP/M_6 Toronto, ONT Jud Newell (416)-231-1262 RE
329. Computer_Aide Tulsa, OK Mike Johnson (918)-493-2137
330. Buzzboard Cambridge, MA Buzz Moschetti (617)-577-8092
331. MSFIDO Los Angeles, CA Brian Casey (213)-250-8085 5p - 830a WE
332. American_Conn Houston, TX David Reinsel (713)-831-3768 5p - 7a WE
333. Rainbow_BBS Phoenix, AZ Jim Kashner (602)-952-2146
12a - 4p;10p - 12a M thru F;12a - 8a on Weekends
334. Micro_Broker Denver, CO Oscar Barlow (303)-534-5456
335. Phil's_Fido Gaithersburg, MD Phil Kim (301)-921-0111
336. Berkshire Anaheim, CA Harry Lee (714)-632-9117
337. Music-Terminal Cypress, CA Michael David (714)-826-2986
338. RHS_BBS Wailuku, HI George Fontaine (808)-244-9789
339. Midnight_Connection St Louis, MO Ray Weil (314)-961-1585 6p - 830a WE
340. Leading_Edge Canton, MA Fred Federlein & (617)-821-0649
Bob Linehan
341. DASUG Denver, CO Jerry W Smith (303)-431-0051
342. InaNet Ann Arbor, MI David Simmons (313)-662-2184
343. PC_Interconnection Houston,TX David Reinsel(713)-955-8120
344. The_Dog_House Jacksonville, FL Pete Cascio (904)-721-3804
345. Alligator_Board Gainsville, FL Sharon King -UNPUBLISHED- RT 27,RE
*346.Spiv San Jose, CA Robert E Spivack (408)-972-8164 6p - 2a,RE
347. Dennis_Washburn Honolulu,HI Dennis Washburn(808)-486-0407
#348.Day_Rainbow Karlstad,Sweden Conny Jonsson 01146-54-133170
CCITT M - F and BELL Weekends and Nightly National Mail
#349.Sun_City_Fido Karlstad,Sweden Lennart 01146-54-166988
Svensson National Mail Sunday Evenings Only
#350.SD_Rainbow_LUG San Diego,CA Rick Eliopoulos(619)-488-2116 7a - 7p,RE
#351.CP/M-Net(tm)_East2 Somerset,NJ Harry (201)-249-0690
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