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453 lines
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CBBS(R) 4.0.3b
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02/11/90 02:29:34
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Y/N: want CBBS "1st time user" info?^U
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?^U
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?^U
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?n;ward;christensen;odraw;;fullc;piss
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Logging name to disk...
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You are caller 212657; next msg =43192; 384 active msgs.
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Prev. call 02/08/90 @ 21:08, next msg was 43174
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Recording logon for next time.
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Use FULL? to check assignments
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?^U
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?xxxxx
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"Mine" command checking
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>Function:?dir c:log;dir c:killed;dir summary;type-30 log,ward c;or;*;short
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LOG. 4
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KILLED. 25
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SUMMARY. 25
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02/08/90,21:18:58,212597,X,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,1
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02/08/90,21:52:30,212598,2,JAMES SCHMIDT,,1
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02/08/90,22:27:10,212599,1,BOB MCCARTHY,Evanston,8
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02/08/90,23:20:07,212600,3,BURTON DOEN,ELMHURST/ IL,
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02/08/90,23:28:15,212601,2,JIM SACKETT,,3
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02/09/90,00:15:00,212602,3,BURTON DOEN,,
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02/09/90,03:01:04,212603,2,JIM POLOUS,,1
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02/09/90,05:18:40,212604,2,ALEX ZELL,,
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02/09/90,05:48:21,212605,2,PETE JONES,,2
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02/09/90,05:51:33,212606,2,PETE JONES,,0
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02/09/90,05:52:27,212607,2,PETE JONES,,1
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02/09/90,07:57:06,212608,1,BRIAN JOHN,WOLVERHAMPTON ENGLAND,4
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02/09/90,08:00:53,212609,1,BRIAN JOHN,,
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>Help: //,
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>Help: ]I]I??,
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>Help: SS,
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02/09/90,08:26:14,212610,1,GARY MCCOY,,2
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02/09/90,08:46:39,212611,2,JACK HOMA,,4
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02/09/90,08:52:35,212612,1,GERALD PINE,,
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E#43177,11
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02/09/90,09:04:56,212613,1,GERALD PINE,,
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E#43178,7
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02/09/90,09:54:09,212614,2,LARRY HITZ,,1
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02/09/90,11:01:23,212615,1,JEANETTE ZOBJECK,JANESVILLE/ WI,4
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02/09/90,11:23:57,212616,2,JAMES DURKIN,,
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02/09/90,11:58:46,212617,2,JAMES DURKIN,,2
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02/09/90,12:35:55,212618,1,JERRY HASLETT,,
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E#43179,8
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02/09/90,12:46:05,212619,2,DENNIS STAHL,,2
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02/09/90,14:57:50,212620,3,JIM COLLING,,5
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02/09/90,15:10:45,212621,2,JIM BEYER,,5
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02/09/90,15:18:04,212622,1,JIM POLOUS,,1
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02/09/90,18:16:09,212623,9,GREG WALLACE,,3
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]5285020
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GREG WALLACE,
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02/09/90,18:30:36,212624,2,BILL WOLFF,,
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E#43180,
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E#43181,18
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02/09/90,18:50:36,212625,2,KEVIN MCGUIGAN,LAKE VI,
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02/09/90,19:02:45,212626,2,KEVIN MCGUIGAN,,9
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]WARD - TALKED TO YOU TODAY, THANKS FOR THE HELP AND EDUCATION.
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(I.S.A.COMMISSION). INTERESTING PROBLEM...
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KEVIN MCGUIGAN,
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02/09/90,19:16:44,212627,3,BURTON DOEN,,
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02/09/90,20:01:47,212628,1,JIM SKINNER,evanstong$y,8
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02/09/90,20:32:56,212629,1,ANDY SHAPIRO,,5
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02/09/90,21:22:38,212630,2,KEVIN KEYSER,,4
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02/09/90,22:10:37,212631,1,MARK NAFICY,WOODRIDGE,
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E#43182,8
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02/09/90,22:16:57,212632,3,JIM EATON,,8
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02/09/90,22:28:35,212633,1,DON KIM,,12
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02/10/90,01:01:04,212634,1,BILL WOLFF,,1
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02/10/90,01:30:16,212635,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,,
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E#43183,
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E#43184,11
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02/10/90,07:19:55,212636,2,GARY BROWN,,3
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02/10/90,09:52:36,212637,1,BILL WOLFF,,
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E#43185,16
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02/10/90,10:10:43,212638,2,WAL SCHAJNOHA,fergus on,2
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02/10/90,10:18:06,212639,3,BURTON DOEN,,
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02/10/90,10:39:08,212640,3,BURTON DOEN,,
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02/10/90,11:22:50,212641,2,DENNIS STAHL,,2
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02/10/90,13:34:58,212642,2,RANDY IMAGEN,,15
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02/10/90,14:04:47,212643,1,CHARLIE KESTNER,,10
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02/10/90,17:23:00,212644,1,BILL WOLFF,,1
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02/10/90,17:41:48,212645,1,JERRY HASLETT,,
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E#43186,
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E#43187,
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E#43188,14
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02/10/90,19:03:13,212646,1,ANDY PAPAS,CHICAGO,2
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02/10/90,19:38:53,212647,1,RON PACE,,2
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02/10/90,19:56:20,212648,2,JOHN KOSCHWANEZ,warrington/pa,4
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02/10/90,20:16:37,212649,1,PETER BRENTON,Chicago IL,7
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02/10/90,20:26:40,212650,2,BILL WOLFF,,15
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02/10/90,20:48:12,212651,1,RICHARD GOZDAL,,3
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02/10/90,21:22:56,212652,2,JAMES SCHMIDT,,
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E#43189,3
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02/10/90,21:28:36,212653,2,JAMES SCHMIDT,,
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E#43190,6
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02/10/90,22:43:02,212654,3,MURRAY ARNOW,,
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E#43191,11
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02/10/90,23:11:57,212655,1,EDDIE COLVIN,CHICAGO,9
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02/11/90,01:13:44,212656,1,JOHNATHON NORDQUIST,CHICAGO/ IL,
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02/11/90,02:29:38,212657,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,
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43174 02/08/90 WARD CHRISTENSEN => JERRY HASLETT: "R/3.5 IN. DRIVES"
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43175 02/08/90 WARD CHRISTENSEN => JIM DURKIN: "R/XMODEM FILE TRANSFERS"
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43176 02/08/90 WARD CHRISTENSEN => GARY DORAN: "MODEM 7 BATCH"
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43177X 02/09/90 GERALD PINE => WARD CHRISTIANSEN: "8-INCH DRIVES"
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43178 02/09/90 GERALD PINE => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/8-INCH DRIVE JUMPER SETTINGS"
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43179 02/09/90 JERRY HASLETT => BILL WOLF AND WARD: "3.5 IN DRIVE FLEXIBILITY"
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43180 02/09/90 BILL WOLFF => JERRY HASLETT: "R/3.5 IN DRIVE FLEXIBILITY"
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43181 02/09/90 BILL WOLFF => ALL: "DBASE III PLUS"
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43182 02/09/90 MARK NAFICY => >AALL: "CUCKOO'S EGG K7[STOLL"
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43183 02/10/90 ERIC BOHLMAN => JIM DURKIN: "R/XMODEM FILE TRANSFERS"
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43184 02/10/90 ERIC BOHLMAN => BILL WOLFF: "R/3.5 IN. DRIVES"
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43185 02/10/90 BILL WOLFF => ERIC BOHLMAN: "R/3.5 IN. DRIVES"
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43186X 02/10/90 JERRY HASLETT => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/3.5 IN. DRIVES"
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43187 02/10/90 JERRY HASLETT => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "SE OF 1.44M DRIVES"
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43188 02/10/90 JERRY HASLETT => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "TRY AGAIN"
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43189 02/10/90 JAMES SCHMIDT => ALL: "LIST.COM EDITOR CAPABILITY"
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43190 02/10/90 JAMES SCHMIDT => ERIC BOHLMAN: "R/3.5 IN. DRIVES"
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43191 02/10/90 MURRAY ARNOW => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/ZENITH 386 - GOOD?"
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- End of summary -
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Retrieving flagged msgs: C skips, K aborts.
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Msg 43174 is 04 line(s) on 02/08/90 from WARD CHRISTENSEN
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to JERRY HASLETT re: R/3.5 IN. DRIVES
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As long as you're using 720K diskettes at 720K and 1.44 at 1.44, no
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I don't know any reason why the 1.44 wouldn't work perfectly for
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both - that's the kind of drive (1.44) that I use at home and at work,
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and most of my use IS with 720K diskettes.
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Msg 43175 is 11 line(s) on 02/08/90 from WARD CHRISTENSEN
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to JIM DURKIN re: R/XMODEM FILE TRANSFERS
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XMODEM is an 8-bit protocol. There's no way it would work with a
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system set for 7-e-1.
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Also, xmodem was designed for micro-to-micro, so if you have a rate-
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adapting step, you'll need to run a "relaxed" xmodem protocol, in which
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the inter-char timeout is extended - and possibly the inter-block timeout.
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For example, if you sent at 9600 but stepped down to 2400, the 9600
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would be done sending soon enough that it might wonder what happened to
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the other end.
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Come to think of it, the longer inter-char timeouts probably are NOT
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necessary, as long as there's no packet net involved that could chop up
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an xmodem block.
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Msg 43176 is 04 line(s) on 02/08/90 from WARD CHRISTENSEN
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to GARY DORAN re: MODEM 7 BATCH
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Sorry, I only tried MODEM 7 batch two times, and it failed both times.
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It was a bad implementation (it echoed every char of the filename) and
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has been totally replaced by Chuck Forsberg's YMODEM Batch which uses
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a block 0 to send a filename as a separate block.
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No msg 43177
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Msg 43178 is 08 line(s) on 02/09/90 from GERALD PINE
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to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: R/8-INCH DRIVE JUMPER SETTINGS
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Unfortunately, I have been using double-sided diskettes. I already made
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that mistake and learned the difference previously. I do have an 851 drive
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that I have used occasionally in double sided mode. DS diskettes that I
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have created on the 851 cannot be read on the Mitsubishi drive. I forgot to
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mention that I had tried both reading DS diskettes with information on them
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and formatting new diskettes DS. But thanks for the suggestion. That's
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exactly the kind of thing that usually proves to be the solution to this
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kind of problem.
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Msg 43179 is 06 line(s) on 02/09/90 from JERRY HASLETT
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to BILL WOLF AND WARD re: 3.5 IN DRIVE FLEXIBILITY
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Gentlemen, thanks for the info. It looks like a drive capable of
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1.44M is versatile provided proper disks are used. but that there
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is the possibility that a 720k disk written on a 1.44M drive
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might not get read on a drive designed for 720k only. Is that
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right? Are many 3.5 in. drives designed for 720k only?
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Any idea which brands or models?
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Msg 43180 is 06 line(s) on 02/09/90 from BILL WOLFF
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to JERRY HASLETT re: R/3.5 IN DRIVE FLEXIBILITY
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Yes, I believe that to be so. I know it is true for the 5.25" disk
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drives. And I am guessing the same is true with the 3.5" disks.
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Yes there are many 720K only drives. Mostly on XT's. 1.44K is more
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likely found on AT's. I am not sure, but I don't think I have ever
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seen a QD drive on any PC/XT computer. Maybe it can't be done.
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Msg 43181 is 18 line(s) on 02/09/90 from BILL WOLFF
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to ALL re: DBASE III PLUS
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Did you ever wanted dBase III Plus just to play around with. But didn't
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want to spend $ for it. Well guess what I ran into at the University
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of Chicago, at the book store there? There was a book called dBase III
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Plus Procedures Manual by Dennis P. Curtin, and guess what is found
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inside?
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You guessed it, a real working copy of dBase III Plus for the total
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cost of $24.00. But before you jump in your car and get it, let me tell
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you two things. They only have one left and the dBase copy has been
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modified to hold only 31 records max! But everything else is there
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including ASSIST and HELP.
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What a deal for those who want to learn dBase at home or work at very
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little cost. Or a real deal for those who never has more than 31 reconds
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anyway (of those, do you really need a computer).
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Well I call this the MS-DOS application deal of 1990! What do you think?
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<BW>
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Msg 43182 is 03 line(s) on 02/09/90 from MARK NAFICY
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to >AALL re: CUCKOO'S EGG K7[STOLL
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it is a very good book, i highly rej$~command it to every body.
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/x
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Msg 43183 is 05 line(s) on 02/10/90 from ERIC BOHLMAN
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to JIM DURKIN re: R/XMODEM FILE TRANSFERS
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Describe the rate-adapting step in more detail. It's possible that
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something is getting buffered, with the result that the NAK is taking
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too long to make it from one end to the other. As Ward mentioned,
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set up for an 8-bit word length; checksums, block numbers and block
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counts use all 8 bits, even if the data doesn't.
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Msg 43184 is 12 line(s) on 02/10/90 from ERIC BOHLMAN
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to BILL WOLFF re: R/3.5 IN. DRIVES
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The problem with mixing disks arises when you take a disk that was
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originally written to with a 720K drive, write on it with a 1.44M drive
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and then try to read it back on a 720K drive. The original 720K drive
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writes a wide track. The 1.44M drive writes on a narrow track. When
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the disk goes back to the 720K drive, the wide read head is picking
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up both the narrow track written by the 1.44M drive and half of what
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was originally written. This confuses the controller. The same thing
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applies to 360K disks written on by a 1.2M drive.
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The 1581 can read both types of disks because it has a narrow head
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(as it would have to in order to be able to write 1.44M disks). The
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problem never arises because it (like any 1.44M drive) isn't reading
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a full low-density track.
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Msg 43185 is 04 line(s) on 02/10/90 from BILL WOLFF
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to ERIC BOHLMAN re: R/3.5 IN. DRIVES
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I agree with everything you say, except that the C1581 can't read QD
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(1.44K) disks, so I may assume it reads and writes a wide track. If
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so, why does it still read wide and narrow tracks correctly? Does it
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have something to do with the ability that C= drives are programmable?
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No msg 43186
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Msg 43187 is 04 line(s) on 02/10/90 from JERRY HASLETT
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to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: SE OF 1.44M DRIVES
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Perhaps I missed something . but there must be a good
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reason fousing 1.44M drives and dihalf thei
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capacity .wow, is the
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noise on the line!
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Msg 43188 is 02 line(s) on 02/10/90 from JERRY HASLETT
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to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: TRY AGAIN
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Over the noise, if possible, why use a drive at half
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its capacity?
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Msg 43189 is 28 line(s) on 02/10/90 from JAMES SCHMIDT
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to ALL re: LIST.COM EDITOR CAPABILITY
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One of the new but undocumented features of Vernon Buerg's LIST program
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is its ability to invoke you favorite editor in a point and shoot
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manner. Assuming you have version 7.3d which is the current version as I
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write this you can customize LIST for your editor as follows:
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;
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Using DEBUG and assuming you editor is named MYEDIT.EXE and is in your
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PATH. Make the directory that contains LIST.COM the current directory.
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Then:
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debug
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n list.com
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e 17f7 "myedit"
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w
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q
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It is important that if your editor name is less than 4 characters long
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you pad the name with spaces to a minumum length of 4. This is because
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you are actually overwriting the default editor name of "edit". I guess
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an alternative would be to rename your favorite editor to EDIT.EXE or
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EDIT.COM as appropriate.
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;
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Now when you are in LIST you can invoke a directory list via the ALT-V
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command. Just select the file you want to edit and move the cursor block
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the the filename and press 'e'. You will instantly invoke the editor
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you selected. Note: the 'e' is not listed as one the selections on the
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ALT-V screen and that's why I call this feature undocumented.
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;
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Once you've tried this I am confident you will use it often.
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James Schmidt
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Msg 43190 is 13 line(s) on 02/10/90 from JAMES SCHMIDT
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to ERIC BOHLMAN re: R/3.5 IN. DRIVES
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I think you are describing a problem that is unique to 1.2Mb 5 1/4"
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drives.
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The 1.44Mb drives write a track that is the same width as a 720K only
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at a higher density and double the sectors per track an then only
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when actually writing at 1.44Mb.
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If you write a 720K diskette with a 1.44Mb drive it should be totally
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compatable with a a 720K drive.
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I do it all the time.
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Format and write @ 720K with a 720K drive, write with a 1.44Mb capable
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drive and read again with a 720K drive. Never a problem. You can't
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do that with a 1.2Mb drive and a 360K diskette for the reasons you
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stated in your original message.
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James
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Msg 43191 is 03 line(s) on 02/10/90 from MURRAY ARNOW
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to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: R/ZENITH 386 - GOOD?
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This is again speculation. I think what Zenith auctioned off was inventory
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excluded in their sale of ZDS to Bull. I am reasonably certain the sale of
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ZDS is final.
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dup. chars.
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>Function:?CBBS(R) 4.0.3b
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02/11/90 16:00:58
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Y/N: want CBBS "1st time user" info?^U
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?^U
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?^U
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?n;ward;christensen;odraw;;fullc;piss
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Logging name to disk.
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You are caller 212670; next msg =43198; 380 active msgs.
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Prev. call 02/11/90 @ 02:29, next msg was 43192
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Recording logon for next time.
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Use FULL? to check assignments
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?^U
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?xxxxx
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"Mine" command checking for msgs TO you, ^K to abort.
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>Function:?dir c:log;dir c:killed;dir summary;type-30 log,ward c;or;*;short
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LOG. 5
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KILLED. 30
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SUMMARY. 25
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02/11/90,02:29:38,212657,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,
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E#43192,
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E#43193,10
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02/11/90,04:25:12,212658,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,,2
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02/11/90,07:32:50,212659,2,JAMES SCHMIDT,,1
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02/11/90,08:37:06,212660,2,ED DESOTO,,4
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02/11/90,08:54:21,212661,2,MIKE SANDMAN,,26
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02/11/90,10:22:38,212662,3,MURRAY ARNOW,,2
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02/11/90,10:27:05,212663,1,BILL WOLFF,,
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E#43194,
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E#43195,20
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02/11/90,12:29:07,212664,1,MICHAEL MCDANIEL,,8
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02/11/90,12:49:19,212665,1,PETER GORDON,LISLE,19
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02/11/90,13:19:18,212666,1,JOSEPH SKOM,,2
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02/11/90,13:37:04,212667,1,JERRY HASLETT,,3
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02/11/90,14:15:36,212668,1,EDDIE COLVIN,,7
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]INEED HELP WITH THIS SYSTEM CONTACT ME AT 821 6775 EDDIE P.S WHERE
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CCAN IFIND PUBLIC D SOFTWARE FREE
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EDDIE COLVIN,
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02/11/90,15:42:17,212669,9,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,
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E#43196,
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E#43197,7
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02/11/90,16:01:02,212670,9,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,
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or;*
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43192 02/11/90 WARD CHRISTENSEN => JERRY HASLETT: "R/TRY AGAIN"
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43193 02/11/90 WARD CHRISTENSEN => JERRY HASLETT: "R/3.5 IN DRIVE FLEXIBILITY"
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43194 02/11/90 BILL WOLFF => JAMES SCHMIDT: "R/3.5 IN. DRIVES"
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43195 02/11/90 BILL WOLFF => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "ANSI EDITOR!"
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43196 02/11/90 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ALL HST 9600: "CBBS OK @ 9600 AGAIN"
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43197 02/11/90 WARD CHRISTENSEN => EDDIG COLVIN: "CALLING YOU"
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Retrieving flagged msgs: C skips, K aborts.
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Msg 43192 is 07 line(s) on 02/11/90 from WARD CHRISTENSEN
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to JERRY HASLETT re: R/TRY AGAIN
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I don't understand "why use a drive at half its capacity?". You must
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hvae mis-understood something I said, for I can't imagine what that
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question means. 1.44M diskettes are significantly more expensive than
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720K, and aren't compatible with 720K laptops or smaller machines, so
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there's LOTS of reason to use 720K diskettes in a 1.44M drive. I
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use 1.44M diskettes when doing backups or other things that are
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time expensive.
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Msg 43193 is 09 line(s) on 02/11/90 from WARD CHRISTENSEN
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to JERRY HASLETT re: R/3.5 IN DRIVE FLEXIBILITY
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1.44M drives write 720K diskettes with flawless reliability.
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I have a 720K drive on my laptop and on my PC, and 1.44 in my AST
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Premium 286. Egghead sells 1.44M diskettes for about $40/box, but
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I've heard of some <$1 high density diskettes - wonder how good they
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are? MEI seems to have gotten a reputation for adequately good
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disks - meaning "occasional failures in formatting, but they replace
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defective diskettes quite quickly. I believe their # is 1-800-MEI-DIST
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but I could be forgetting - I remember seeing SOME disk place whose
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number was 1-800-xxx-disT because I was surprised it wasn't "DISK".
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Msg 43194 is 06 line(s) on 02/11/90 from BILL WOLFF
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to JAMES SCHMIDT re: R/3.5 IN. DRIVES
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I didn't know for sure if the 1.44M/720K has the same problem as the
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1.2M/360K problem. Thanks for straighting this out for us! I know I
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found early on, that some of my 360K disk written by a 1.2M drive
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sometimes made my disks unreadable on the 360K drive. Gosh, I hated
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that. I had to buy another 360K drive and install it next to my 1.2M
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drive. What a pain in the neck that was, just to be compatible. <BW>
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Msg 43195 is 15 line(s) on 02/11/90 from BILL WOLFF
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to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: ANSI EDITOR!
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I know I am asking a lot, but what's the chances getting a ANSI editor
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on-line here? I sure would help writing messages on-line here. At least
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when I call with a MS-DOS computer. When I use a CP/M computer I would
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still be stuck, like right now!
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That should be a nice challenge for a CP/M programmer! Make a ANSI driver
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for CP/M. Odds are the graphics would have to use regular ASCII characters,
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but at least the editing would be nice.
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Whoops! I just remembered, cursoring around on CP/M has about 6 different
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terminal configurations if not more. Almost have to write a small patch
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for each computer huh? Plus some can't do it because the terminal type
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won't let them period! <BW>
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P.S. I tried!
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Msg 43196 is 08 line(s) on 02/11/90 from WARD CHRISTENSEN
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to ALL HST 9600 re: CBBS OK @ 9600 AGAIN
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I am entering this msg from an HST modem at 9600 baud. Something
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is screwed up in my commo program but this time (blush) I'm
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running from a 7-line BASIC program, and it is working just fine,
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IF I first power off the modem to reset to factory. I'll
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have to see what my "string" of initialization is that is
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hosing it up.
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Greg Wallace called in 2 days ago @ 9600 but I'd not noticed
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his call so I thought it was the CBBS modem.
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Msg 43197 is 07 line(s) on 02/11/90 from WARD CHRISTENSEN
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to EDDIG COLVIN re: CALLING YOU
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No, no, you don't catch on. I'm not going to CALL you. This
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system is for communicating! Leave a msg! THIS system is NOT
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a download system. If you want download systems, I suggest
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leaving a msg for ALL and be sure to state what KIND of system
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you're looking for (i.e. what kind of computer, etc).
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Sorry you had trouble figuring things out - the software in CBBS
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IS rather "ancient", but only a few have trouble. "Hang in there".
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