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CBBS(R) 4.0.3b
12/23/89 10:02:16

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Prev. call 12/19/89 @ 21:23, next msg was 42929
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>Function:?dir c:log;dir c:killed;dir summary;type-30 log,ward c;or;*;short
LOG. 114 
KILLED.  36 
SUMMARY.  25 
12/19/89,21:23:36,211175,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,
12/19/89,21:35:23,211176,X,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,0
]Log appended to L9012.
__Happy holidaze, all.
WARD CHRISTENSEN,
E#42929,
E#42930,10
12/19/89,22:10:58,211177,2,PAUL STREETER,,37
12/19/89,22:19:36,211178,2,LEE OVINGTON,Hoffman Estates IL,2
12/20/89,01:31:32,211179,2,PETRONIO RUFINO,recife/pe/brazil,
E#42931,7
12/20/89,05:35:52,211180,2,PETE JONES,,2
12/20/89,07:42:19,211181,2,JOHN ZWIERZYNA,,6
12/20/89,08:41:38,211182,2,ZORAN ANDJELIC,jersey city,
12/20/89,09:38:50,211183,2,JACK HOMA,,3
12/20/89,11:54:04,211184,1,TIMOTHY COSTELLO,niles/il.,
12/20/89,11:59:03,211185,1,TIMOTHY COSTELLO,,
12/20/89,12:10:49,211186,1,TIMOTHY COSTELLO,,5
12/20/89,12:18:40,211187,2,MICHAEL MOSER,,2
12/20/89,12:24:44,211188,2,MICHAEL MOSER,,
E#42932,6
12/20/89,12:38:10,211189,2,MIKE KAVADIAS,,
12/20/89,16:05:47,211190,2,GARY ELFRING,,3
12/20/89,16:15:24,211191,1,BEN HO,Chicago/ IL,13
12/20/89,17:31:42,211192,2,BILL WOLFF,,5
12/20/89,18:09:41,211193,1,SIGY BERG,CHICAGO,22
12/20/89,18:37:44,211194,1,DENNIS TOKOPH,,8
12/20/89,18:59:47,211195,1,BOB SULLIVAN,,5
12/20/89,20:00:10,211196,1,RICHARD GOZDAL,,
E#42933,
E#42934,10
12/20/89,20:11:21,211197,2,JIM POLOUS,,2
12/20/89,20:41:37,211198,1,COLIN SCHROEDER,,
E#42935,7
12/20/89,22:32:11,211199,2,JOEL WEINER,,2
12/20/89,22:36:35,211200,2,BILL MATTSON,,9
12/20/89,22:54:22,211201,2,JEFF HEATON,St. Louis/Mo,
12/20/89,23:13:48,211202,1,JOHN VI,san jose,5
12/21/89,00:58:42,211203,1,CHARLIE KESTNER,,19
12/21/89,07:00:51,211204,1,LARRY REED,Oak Park/ Il,3
12/21/89,08:40:02,211205,2,MARTY LINGG,,101
12/21/89,12:38:06,211206,1,JIM EGAN,,19
12/21/89,13:06:30,211207,2,BOB HOWARD,,1
12/21/89,14:13:12,211208,2,JACOB YOUNG,,
12/21/89,16:43:30,211209,2,MARTY DIPPEL,,14
12/21/89,17:21:29,211210,2,DENNIS DUFFNER,,2
12/21/89,17:33:48,211211,2,DENNIS STAHL,,6
12/21/89,18:42:44,211212,2,CRAIG CURTIN,naperville il,
12/21/89,18:48:25,211213,2,CRAIG CURTIN,,8
]thanks for the bbs listing
CRAIG CURTIN,
12/21/89,19:49:27,211214,2,JAMES KARAGANIS,,
E#42936,8
12/21/89,20:34:40,211215,1,RICHARD GOZDAL,,1
12/21/89,21:16:32,211216,1,LARRY REED,,3
12/21/89,23:25:02,211217,2,BILL MATTSON,,2
12/21/89,23:54:49,211218,2,EDWARD LEE,,19
12/22/89,01:35:59,211219,2,EARL HALL,,2
12/22/89,05:25:19,211220,2,PETE JONES,,0
12/22/89,08:52:00,211221,2,MIKE COOK,,7
12/22/89,09:04:53,211222,3,ATIQUE AHMAD,,
12/22/89,09:14:01,211223,1,DENNIS LEONG,,12
12/22/89,09:33:14,211224,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,,
E#42937,
E#42938,12
12/22/89,10:26:39,211225,1,BILL WOLFF,,1
12/22/89,10:42:42,211226,1,RANDY IMAGEN,,22
12/22/89,11:38:41,211227,2,JIM POLOUS,,0
12/22/89,11:47:09,211228,2,MARTY LINGG,,0
12/22/89,12:02:48,211229,2,EDGAR COUDAL,,4
12/22/89,13:06:35,211230,2,DAVE LEONARD,,2
12/22/89,14:21:06,211231,1,OLIVER BISHOP,chicago,
>Help: ?DOWNLOADING,
>Help: ?PROGRAMS,19
12/22/89,14:59:09,211232,1,JOE HOLEWINSKI,,
>Function:?12/19/89,21:23:36,211175,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,
12/19/89,21:35:23,211176,X,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,0
]Log appended to L9012.
__Happy holidaze, all.
WARD CHRISTENSEN,
E#42929,
E#42930,10
12/19/89,22:10:58,211177,2,PAUL STREETER,,37
12/19/89,22:19:36,211178,2,LEE OVINGTON,Hoffman Estates IL,2
12/20/89,01:31:32,211179,2,PETRONIO RUFINO,recife/pe/brazil,
E#42931,7
12/20/89,05:35:52,211180,2,PETE JONES,,2
12/20/89,07:42:19,211181,2,JOHN ZWIERZYNA,,6
12/20/89,08:41:38,211182,2,ZORAN ANDJELIC,jersey city,
12/20/89,09:38:50,211183,2,JACK HOMA,,3
12/20/89,11:54:04,211184,1,TIMOTHY COSTELLO,niles/il.,
12/20/89,11:59:03,211185,1,TIMOTHY COSTELLO,,
12/20/89,12:10:49,211186,1,TIMOTHY COSTELLO,,5
12/20/89,12:18:40,211187,2,MICHAEL MOSER,,2
12/20/89,12:24:44,211188,2,MICHAEL MOSER,,
E#42932,6
12/20/89,12:38:10,211189,2,MIKE KAVADIAS,,
12/20/89,16:05:47,211190,2,GARY ELFRING,,3
12/20/89,16:15:24,211191,1,BEN HO,Chicago/ IL,13
12/20/89,17:31:42,211192,2,BILL WOLFF,,5
12/20/89,18:09:41,211193,1,SIGY BERG,CHICAGO,22
12/20/89,18:37:44,211194,1,DENNIS TOKOPH,,8
12/20/89,18:59:47,211195,1,BOB SULLIVAN,,5
12/20/89,20:00:10,211196,1,RICHARD GOZDAL,,
E#42933,
E#42934,10
12/20/89,20:11:21,211197,2,JIM POLOUS,,2
12/20/89,20:41:37,211198,1,COLIN SCHROEDER,,
E#42935,7
12/20/89,22:32:11,211199,2,JOEL WEINER,,2
12/20/89,22:36:35,211200,2,BILL MATTSON,,9
12/20/89,22:54:22,211201,2,JEFF HEATON,St. Louis/Mo,
12/20/89,23:13:48,211202,1,JOHN VI,san jose,5
12/21/89,00:58:42,211203,1,CHARLIE KESTNER,,19
12/21/89,07:00:51,211204,1,LARRY REED,Oak Park/ Il,3
12/21/89,08:40:02,211205,2,MARTY LINGG,,101
12/21/89,12:38:06,211206,1,JIM EGAN,,19
12/21/89,13:06:30,211207,2,BOB HOWARD,,1
12/21/89,14:13:12,211208,2,JACOB YOUNG,,
12/21/89,16:43:30,211209,2,MARTY DIPPEL,,14
12/21/89,17:21:29,211210,2,DENNIS DUFFNER,,2
12/21/89,17:33:48,211211,2,DENNIS STAHL,,6
12/21/89,18:42:44,211212,2,CRAIG CURTIN,naperville il,
12/21/89,18:48:25,211213,2,CRAIG CURTIN,,8
]thanks for the bbs listing
CRAIG CURTIN,
12/21/89,19:49:27,211214,2,JAMES KARAGANIS,,
E#42936,8
12/21/89,20:34:40,211215,1,RICHARD GOZDAL,,1
12/21/89,21:16:32,211216,1,LARRY REED,,3
12/21/89,23:25:02,211217,2,BILL MATTSON,,2
12/21/89,23:54:49,211218,2,EDWARD LEE,,19
12/22/89,01:35:59,211219,2,EARL HALL,,2
12/22/89,05:25:19,211220,2,PETE JONES,,0
12/22/89,08:52:00,211221,2,MIKE COOK,,7
12/22/89,09:04:53,211222,3,ATIQUE AHMAD,,
12/22/89,09:14:01,211223,1,DENNIS LEONG,,12
12/22/89,09:33:14,211224,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,,
E#42937,
E#42938,12
12/22/89,10:26:39,211225,1,BILL WOLFF,,1
12/22/89,10:42:42,211226,1,RANDY IMAGEN,,22
12/22/89,11:38:41,211227,2,JIM POLOUS,,0
12/22/89,11:47:09,211228,2,MARTY LINGG,,0
12/22/89,12:02:48,211229,2,EDGAR COUDAL,,4
12/22/89,13:06:35,211230,2,DAVE LEONARD,,2
12/22/89,14:21:06,211231,1,OLIVER BISHOP,chicago,
>Help: ?DOWNLOADING,
>Help: ?PROGRAMS,19
12/22/89,14:59:09,211232,1,JOE HOLEWINSKI,,
12/23/89,10:02:20,211253,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,

42929 12/19/89 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ALL: "ATART PORTFOLIO"
42930 12/19/89 WARD CHRISTENSEN => ALL: "PUBLISH-IT!-LITE"
42931 12/20/89 PETRONIO RUFINO => ALL: "CLIPPER"
42932 12/20/89 MICHAEL MOSER => CLIFF SHARP: "R/8051 ASSEMBLER?"
42933 12/20/89 RICHARD GOZDAL => BENJAMIN COHEN: "R/COPYRIGHT HELP."
42934 12/20/89 RICHARD GOZDAL => ERIC BOHLMAN: "R/COPYRIGHT HELP."
42935 12/20/89 COLIN SCHROEDER => ERIC BOHLMAN: "R/VIDEO BIOS PATCHES"
42936 12/21/89 JAMES KARAGANIS => ALL: "APPLE 4 SALE"
42937 12/22/89 ERIC BOHLMAN => COLIN SCHROEDER: "R/VIDEO BIOS PATCHES"
42938 12/22/89 ERIC BOHLMAN => CLIFF SHARP: "R/8051 ASSEMBLER?"
42939 12/22/89 CHARLIE KESTNER => ALL: "CP/M STUFF FOR SALE"
42940 12/22/89 CHARLIE KESTNER => ALL: "(CONT'D)"
42941 12/22/89 CHARLIE KESTNER => ALL: "(CONT'D)"

 - End of summary - 

Retrieving flagged msgs: C skips, K aborts.

Msg 42929 is 12 line(s) on 12/19/89 from WARD CHRISTENSEN
to ALL re: ATART PORTFOLIO

 Randy (CBBS Co-Inventor) is getting married Friday PM, so I decided to
buy him an Atari PortFolio. Quite a "cute" machine. It has built in
word processor, spreadsheet, appointment book, editor, etc. It is "command"
compatible with PC DOS 2.1.
 It arrived today (barely more than 24 hours from when I ordered it!)
 It is "cute". The keys are REALLY close, and while the QWERTY setup
makes it a LOT easier to type on than say a Wizard or other ABCDEF type
keyboard, the closeness of the keys means that - at least in the first few
minutes, you can't do much "touch typing".
 Cute: it has 32K, 64K, and 128K RAM cards, with a little backup battery
in them. You plug it in the side like a diskette, AND you have to - get
this - FORMAT A: before you can use it!

Msg 42930 is 20 line(s) on 12/19/89 from WARD CHRISTENSEN
to ALL re: PUBLISH-IT!-LITE

 I have PageMaker, and am a "publishing specialist" at least with regard
to Pagemaker and IBM's Personal PagePrinter (Postscript). But I decided
to go to the extreme opposite end, and buy a $40 publishing program -
Publish-It lite. Believe it or not, it really works! It has VERY nice
quality output on a simple IBM or Epson printer. It ONLY supports those
printers (as one printer) and the Epson 24 pinners. PERIOD. That's one
of the reasons it is "lite".
 It comes with a GEM interface, CAN work without a mouse (nicely using the
cursor pad, with HOME as 'click' and END as 'drag'.
 I found it quite UNUSABLE by me because my rather heavily TSRed environment
has only 485K free, and that gives me only 54K free, so the first document
(ascii) of any length I imported, caused an out of memory error (nicely
handled, BTW, by it saying "out of memory, save NOW!".
 If anyone has any questions, let me know.
 The basic way it works is to lay out boxes, then flow text into those
boxes. The boxes are basically the columns. Imports graphics also, but
very very limited kinds- .IMG seems to be the only kind. That is a native
GEM kind. Some other programs (such as - nicely(!) my DFI hand scanner)
can save in .IMG format. However, with my memory limitations, I baslically
can't do ANY graphics.

Msg 42931 is 01 line(s) on 12/20/89 from PETRONIO RUFINO
to ALL re: CLIPPER

hello i am petronio i call from brazil

Msg 42932 is 08 line(s) on 12/20/89 from MICHAEL MOSER
to CLIFF SHARP re: R/8051 ASSEMBLER?

I got my fingers on a cross assembler package a couple years ago called
"CSC Cross Assembler Program" - it runs on my PC.
I converted the Z80 section to compile under Turbo C and have had good
luck with it. If the 8051 part of the package is like the z80, it's a
one-source file nonrelocatable assemble. If it sounds good to you,
Frank Hogg Labs
770 James St, Syracuse, NY 13203
(315)474-7856

Msg 42933 is 08 line(s) on 12/20/89 from RICHARD GOZDAL
to BENJAMIN COHEN re: R/COPYRIGHT HELP.

ALL I saw when ready the intros was that one two TOOLkits require
I put their name in the docs and one doesn't (ProBas). I am
running ProBas now since QuikPak Pro blew on a simple
thing. The specification in the tools (OBJ (ASM) fils) is just
the notification that some Companies tools are used. It is
onlt the COPYRIGHT info I was concerned about. Guess I can always
call one of the comapnies and find out EXACTLY what s done
on copyright forms (sounds like a good idea).

Msg 42934 is 03 line(s) on 12/20/89 from RICHARD GOZDAL
to ERIC BOHLMAN re: R/COPYRIGHT HELP.

 Would you believe that my FIRST program went International
AND I forgot to put "all rights reserved"! Well, it is a speciality
and the publicity will help BUT I won't forget NEXT time.

Msg 42935 is 10 line(s) on 12/20/89 from COLIN SCHROEDER
to ERIC BOHLMAN re: R/VIDEO BIOS PATCHES

Eric:
 Thanks for the quick reply! I'm not familiar with "echos" on
Fidonet (though I have heard of fidonet), and would like to learn
more. I'll call your BBS after logging off here, and try to
muddle my way through. Please drop me a msg. when you get time
concerning specifics of fidonet echo
 From what you said, it sounds like the workaround involves
"masking" some addresses somehow.what do you think?
 Thanks again!
 Colin

Msg 42936 is 05 line(s) on 12/21/89 from JAMES KARAGANIS
to ALL re: APPLE 4 SALE

Anyone,
 I have an Apple /e system for sale with monitor
and two drives, 128K RAM. Lots of peripheral hardware, software,
interface cards, etc. If interested, please call Jim Karaganis
at (708) 293-3714 during the day. Thanks.

Msg 42937 is 06 line(s) on 12/22/89 from ERIC BOHLMAN
to COLIN SCHROEDER re: R/VIDEO BIOS PATCHES

An echo is simply a message area that exists simultaneously on several
boards around the world. It can be implemented on any BBS that supports
network mail transfers. When you post a message in an echo area on
a local board, it gets packed into a bundle that subsequently gets
sent to the other boards carrying that echo, and messages posted on
other boards in the echo eventually make their way to the local system.

Msg 42938 is 11 line(s) on 12/22/89 from ERIC BOHLMAN
to CLIFF SHARP re: R/8051 ASSEMBLER?

The Avocet cross-assemblers are really the standard, though they're a bit
on the expensive side. I use the CP/M version of the Avocet assembler running
under emulation (I got it when my primary development machine was a Kaypro
10, and didn't have spare funds to switch to the MS-DOS version).
There are some free or cheap cross-assemblers such as the PseudoSam
series, though they have rather non-standard syntax for assembler directives
and they don't directly support bit addressing (i.e. if you have a
variable in the bit-addressable area called FLAGS, you can't say "setb
flags.0"; you have to come up with the appropriate bit address in hex).
Not recommended if you're working with code that's already been written
or has to go to someone else, but if you're on a short string.

Msg 42939 is 27 line(s) on 12/22/89 from CHARLIE KESTNER
to ALL re: CP/M STUFF FOR SALE

 I am "bailing out" of CP/M, so ALL my old (but STILL useful) CP/M
stuff has to go.
 I am selling this stuff in a "bundle" of all books, commercial and
public-domain software, and a whole bunch of CP/M-related magazines.
 The disks are in assorted CP/M formats, either:
 Actrix SS/DD - Kaypro SS/DD & DS/DD - Osborne SS/SD & SS/DD.
 The following "fully legal" programs are included:

 Perfect Writer word processor.
 Perfect Calc spreadsheet.
 Perfect Filer database ("light duty").
 Personal Pearl database ("medium duty").
 Mince/Scribble emacs-type editor/formatter.
 Pmate emacs-type editor w/tremendous macro functions.
 C Basic DRI's Basic interpreter.
 M Basic Microsoft's Basic interpreter.
 Bascom Microsoft's Basic compiler.
 M80 Microsoft's Macro assembler.
 LINK80 Microsoft's linker.
 BDS C Leor Zolman's C compiler, version 1.5.
 Z80ASM SLR's Z80 assembler.
 SLRNK SLR's linker.
 NZCOM Unix-like o.s. replacement for CP/M.

 Much, much, much public domain software of all kinds.

 (continued next message)

Msg 42940 is 22 line(s) on 12/22/89 from CHARLIE KESTNER
to ALL re: (CONT'D)

 I also have the following books about the included software, and
topics of a general nature (ALL included commercial software COMES
with the FACTORY manuals! These are IN ADDITION to those.):

 ASK BYTE Steve Ciarcia's first "how do I do this?" book.
 HOW TO GET FREE SOFTWARE
 Alfred Glossbrenner tells where/when/how to get all
 those GREAT CP/M p.d. freebies!
 INFOWORLD'S ESSENTIAL GUIDE TO CP/M
 A good "primer" on the subject.
 PERSONAL COMPUTER COMMUNICATIONS
 Glossbrenner strikes again with good basic dope
 on how to use Compuserve, Source, etc.
 SOUL OF CP/M Waite & Angermeyer give you the "nitty gritty".
 PERFECTLY SERIOUS.An in-depth look at Perfect Writer
 Kristin Farry's definitive work on the editor.
 PERFECT WRITER MADE PERFECTLY CLEAR
 Elyse Sommer's very helpful book on the subject.
 INTRODUCTION TO WORDSTAR
 Arthur Naiman's classic text.

 (more books on programming in next message)

Msg 42941 is 24 line(s) on 12/22/89 from CHARLIE KESTNER
to ALL re: (CONT'D)

 The following books pretty much represent ALL that is, and ever WAS
available on CP/M assembly language programmming:

 ZCPR3: THE MANUAL Richard Conn's treatise on the ZCPR3 replacement
 for CP/M. (Also useful for use w/NZCOM.)
 ZCPR3: THE LIBRARIES Conn's text on the "canned" Z80 libraries.
 CP/M ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE PROGRAMMING
 Ken Barbier's introductory text on this topic.
 THE PROGRAMMER'S CP/M HANDBOOK
 Andy Johnson-Laird. The "Bible".
 PROGRAMMING THE Z80 Rodnay Zaks. Everything you wanted to know.
 THE Z80 USER'S MANUAL Joseph J. Carr. The little bit that Zaks forgot.
 8080/Z80 ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE: TECHNIQUES FOR IMPROVED PROGRAMMING
 Alan R. Miller.
 8080-8085 ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE PROGRAMMING
 Lance Leventhal & Winthrop Saville.
 8080-8085 ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE SUB-ROUTINES
 Lance Leventhal

 This pretty much caps it off. ALL the software, all the books, all the
great p.d. stuff (try MEGABYTES of it!) - along with a whole bunch of Pro-
file, Microsystems, Computer Journal, & MicroCornucopia magazines.
 $ 250.00 gets it delivered to your place.
 Leave message here - or call me at (voice!) 219-844-3121.