textfiles/bbs/CBBS/1989/891219.ch

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12/19/89 21:23:32

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Prev. call 12/18/89 @ 00:16, next msg was 42912
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12/18/89,00:16:58,211136,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,
E#42912,
E#42913,
]S,MESSAGE.X56,
]S,MESSAGE.X58,
E#42914,20
12/18/89,00:51:38,211137,2,BILL MATTSON,,3
12/18/89,04:43:51,211138,2,PETE JONES,,2
12/18/89,06:16:23,211139,2,LARRY MITCHELL,Laurel/ MD ,
E#42915,6
12/18/89,06:38:59,211140,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,,
E#42916,8
12/18/89,10:14:35,211141,3,PHIL SCHUMAN,,3
12/18/89,11:58:38,211142,1,MICHAEL BLAKE,,1
12/18/89,12:00:09,211143,1,GARY MCCOY,,13
12/18/89,13:46:10,211144,2,HERB SCHULZ,,3
12/18/89,15:41:28,211145,2,JOEL WEINER,,4
12/18/89,17:03:57,211146,1,TOM LUBECK,,
E#42917,6
12/18/89,17:24:38,211147,2,GARY ELFRING,,3
12/18/89,17:55:10,211148,1,RICHARD GOZDAL,,
E#42918,5
12/18/89,19:48:30,211149,2,ALEX ZELL,,8
]On Olsen's BBS, one way (other than protocols) to upload is to
go into cpm by command "C" in msg base. Then do "Chat D."
Will be like here in g;y = accepts ASCII direct, up to 16 or so K.f*
ALEX ZELL,10
12/18/89,20:06:09,211150,3,COLIN SCHROEDER,,
E#42919,
E#42920,17
12/18/89,20:27:12,211151,2,MIKE SANDMAN,,
12/18/89,21:25:01,211152,1,BILL WOLFF,,
E#42921,16
12/18/89,21:46:05,211153,1,LANE LARRISON,,4
12/18/89,22:10:51,211154,2,BENJAMIN COHEN,,
E#42922,
E#42923,15
12/18/89,22:27:39,211155,2,CHARLES ARTHUR,chicago,8
12/18/89,22:36:34,211156,2,DAVE LEONARD,PARK RIDGE/ Il,2
12/18/89,22:42:03,211157,1,DONNIE STUHLMAN,,10
12/18/89,22:53:07,211158,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,,
E#42924,
E#42925,18
12/19/89,00:14:54,211159,2,BOB VON BORSTEL,,2
12/19/89,05:56:34,211160,1,MICHAEL MCDANIEL,,6
12/19/89,06:38:39,211161,2,JACK HOMA,,4
12/19/89,06:44:26,211162,2,MICHAEL MOSER,,
E#42926,11
12/19/89,07:44:28,211163,2,ALEX ZELL,,
12/19/89,10:27:09,211164,2,CHERYL SLUDER,,8
12/19/89,12:00:00,211165,2,CHUCK SAMEK,,2
]CHUCK SAMEK,
12/19/89,12:19:00,211166,1,GARY MCCOY,,2
12/19/89,14:06:18,211167,2,MARTY LINGG,,
12/19/89,14:44:04,211168,2,CLIFF SHARP,,
E#42927,
E#42928,10
12/19/89,14:55:43,211169,3,BOB KOBETSKY,,9
12/19/89,15:41:29,211170,2,RICHARD HINTON,,1
12/19/89,19:07:40,211171,2,JAMES SCHMIDT,,2
12/19/89,20:17:50,211172,2,JERRY OLSEN,,8
]Thanx for following through on the DTP offer....Address is:
899 S. Plymouth Ct. #504
Chicago 60605
Yep, hardcopy for comparison is critical.

As for U/L privileges over my way, we've developed a requirement that
all callers who want file xfer status must provide verifiable address
and phone number, as noted in the new <U>ser Validation screen displayed
on your first call (and repeatable from the main menu at any time).
Over the years I've had a large number of requests for "exceptions"
to the policy developed by callers our way. But I like to be able to
<honestly> say that everyone's treated equally. :-)  If you would like,
include a phone number in your package and a reminder that you'd like
full validated status and I'll take care of it promptly after returning
to town next week (leaving tomorrow a.m.).

Again, many thanx.
JERRY OLSEN,
12/19/89,20:34:04,211173,2,JIM POLOUS,,1
12/19/89,20:43:58,211174,1,KEVIN KEYSER,,7
12/19/89,21:23:36,211175,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,
42912 12/18/89 WARD CHRISTENSEN => RICHARD GOZDAL: "R/COPYRIGHT HELP."
42913 12/18/89 WARD CHRISTENSEN => BRENT JONES: "R/EDITORS"
42914 12/18/89 WARD CHRISTENSEN => JERRY OLSEN: "PUB"
42915 12/18/89 LARRY MITCHELL => ALL: "COIN COLLECTORS NEEDED!"
42916 12/18/89 ERIC BOHLMAN => BOB SULLIVAN: "R/NEW TI VOICE CHIP"
42917 12/18/89 TOM LUBECK => ALL: "S130 DATA GENERAL"
42918 12/18/89 RICHARD GOZDAL => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "R/COPYRIGHT HELP."
42919 12/18/89 COLIN SCHROEDER => BRENT JONES: "R/EDITORS"
42920 12/18/89 COLIN SCHROEDER => ALL: "VIDEO BIOS PATCHES"
42921 12/18/89 BILL WOLFF => BRENT JONES: "R/EDITORS"
42922 12/18/89 BENJAMIN COHEN => RICHARD GOZDAL: "R/COPYRIGHT HELP."
42923 12/18/89 BENJAMIN COHEN => ALL: "MAGAZINES HAVE GOT TO GO"
42924 12/18/89 ERIC BOHLMAN => COLIN SCHROEDER: "R/VIDEO BIOS PATCHES"
42925 12/18/89 ERIC BOHLMAN => BENJAMIN COHEN: "R/COPYRIGHT HELP."
42926 12/19/89 MICHAEL MOSER => ALL: "VECTOR MZ COMPUTER"
42927 12/19/89 CLIFF SHARP => ALL: "8051 ASSEMBLER?"
42928 12/19/89 CLIFF SHARP => ALL: "RODIME STARTUP PROBLEM"

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Msg 42912 is 04 line(s) on 12/18/89 from WARD CHRISTENSEN
to RICHARD GOZDAL re: R/COPYRIGHT HELP.

Clearly, a "tools" package distributor/author must have a policy. Are
you sure there's not some kind of info with the package? Otherwise,
I'd be sure to contact the vendor/author. I've seen such things,
requiring things like "portions copyright (C) 1989, Microsoft", etc.

Msg 42913 is 30 line(s) on 12/18/89 from WARD CHRISTENSEN
to BRENT JONES re: R/EDITORS

My favorite editor is PMATE. I think it can be had for something like
$119 from Programmer's Connection, but not sure.
 Unfortunately, it is NOT supported any more - no enhancements in about
2 years or so.
 But what I like about it is how configurable the keyboard is, and mostly,
the excellent MACRO language it has.
 You can build macros into it, some executable by function keys (only about
6 or so, though), and can build an arbitrary number of macros into it
by reserving macro space (I reserve 3000 bytes). I have macros to reformat
paragraphs, add columns of numbers, read hex numbers into a register,
read decimal numbers into a register, change "name<space><space><space>
extension" type of filenames into "name.ext" names, etc.
 The macro language would appeal to an APL programmer, or someone familiar
with TECO or other single-char macro languages. For example, lets look at
a macro to reformat a paragraph:
@wv7@a>1{@av7}$[@7qx@t=13{0l}{-s $13rqr^}l@t=13{l%}@t<"!%-mr $@k]
 Now, that's very cryptic, but it can be broken down:
 @wv7 sez to take the current right margin setting (var @w) and store
 it in Variable 7
 @a>1{ is the start of an "if". I LOVE this syntax! You don't need the
 word "IF", or "then". The syntax is: expression{clause}{else clause}
 Specifically, @a is the variable for "number of arguments passed",
 and if >{1 then .
 @7qx@t=13{0l}{-s $13rqr^} says "go to column (qx) stored in var 7, and
 if the char under the cursor (@t) is a C/R (13) then go to the
 front of the line (0l which is 0L), OTHERWISE backwards search
 (from the right margin) for the preceeding space ($ is an ESC,
 a string delimiter) and replace it with a 13, show the updated
 screen (quick redraw: QR), and "loop" back to the preceeding loop.
(^ loops back, [.] defines a loop nn[.] defines a repeat nn times, etc.

Msg 42914 is 07 line(s) on 12/18/89 from WARD CHRISTENSEN
to JERRY OLSEN re: PUB

 Got a sample pub for you. One page. It is FAT.DOC, a doc file on
a public domain program. I centered a headline in a stroke font,
did 2 columns, some centering, some tabs, bold, etc. I have hard
copy if you want to leave an addr when you (G)o - only myself and a
few assistant operators can see it.
 I'll then send you a disk (since I still don't seem to have UL
capability on your board).

Msg 42915 is 07 line(s) on 12/18/89 from LARRY MITCHELL
to ALL re: COIN COLLECTORS NEEDED! 

NumisNet(SM), the ONLY bbs in the WORLD devoted EXCLUSIVELY to numismatics
(collecting of coins, medals, exonumia and numismatic literature), is now
on-line. If you collect coins, medals or exonumia, we cordially invite you
to call us at 301-498-8205, 300/1200/2400 baud, 24 hours a day!
We are "PC-Pursuit"able in the Washington, DC metro calling area.
We look forward to hearing from you!


Msg 42916 is 11 line(s) on 12/18/89 from ERIC BOHLMAN
to BOB SULLIVAN re: R/NEW TI VOICE CHIP

ADPCM=adaptive differential pulse code modulation. It's a form of PCM
that encodes the difference between samples rather than the samples
themselves. The actual relationship is non-linear; depending on the
recent history of the signal, a given difference can represent several
step sizes.
In terms of efficiency, it's much better than straight PCM, with sound
quality almost as good, and much worse than LPC. For telephone-quality
speech, it takes about 2.6K bytes/second (straight PCM would be 8K;
LPC would be around 1K, so I guess it's not all that much worse).
If the TI chips are based on mask ROM, the only way to program them
is to have the factory make a mask for them.

Msg 42917 is 06 line(s) on 12/18/89 from TOM LUBECK
to ALL re: S130 DATA GENERAL

I have a Data General S-130 computer for sale. It has 2 20meg drives,
a 6026 Meg tape drive, paper tape reader, 2 beehive terminals, TP2 dasher
system console, and expanded 256K memory. In 2 full size cabinets.
$1000 takes all. Call me at 312-944-0010, weekdays 10am to 6pm.
System is stored in Berwyn will need truck/van/trailer to move.
 Tom Lubeck, Design Type

Msg 42918 is 04 line(s) on 12/18/89 from RICHARD GOZDAL
to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: R/COPYRIGHT HELP.

 One package of TOOLS requires a notice in the docs that the
Company's TOOLS are used. Another doesn't require a thing but
the "portions copyrighted" seems about appropriate for the
Copyright form itself.

Msg 42919 is 09 line(s) on 12/18/89 from COLIN SCHROEDER
to BRENT JONES re: R/EDITORS

depends on what type of editor you're looking for: text (e.g.
documents) or program. For shareware document editors, I've
heard good things about PC-Write (tho' I think it may not be
shareware anymore-whatever, it's still cheap.). I don't
know much about shareware/PD program editors, but one of the
programmers I work with raves about BRIEF, which is a commercial
product. It seems to have quite a following, due to a lot of
options for customizability like adjustable auto-indent, flexible
windowing, etc.

Msg 42920 is 18 line(s) on 12/18/89 from COLIN SCHROEDER
to ALL re: VIDEO BIOS PATCHES

Hi all,
 I'm looking for some help with video memory overwrites on a
dual monitos setup. I've got a Paradise VGA+ 16 and Hercules mono
installed in a system with AMI 386 mbd and BIOS. When I switch
MODE to MONO, some programs (i.e. WordPerfect 5.0) still write
junk to VGA video memory, and the mono memory is also screwed up!
Everything works fine in VGA mode.
 What I'd like to do is set up some sort of "fence" between the
two-perhaps a driver or other resident program which determines
the current video mode and intercepts any writes to video memory
which try to "jump the fence" and redirects them to the appropriate
addresses (if necessary) or dumps them to a null device (if convenient)
 Any ideas?? I'd like to know if this is at least possible, I know
it's a tall order, and I know it may be hardware dependent, but I'd
like to at least TRY! (NOTE: One of the guys I work with suggests
that it may be a function of hardware video port(s). Any insights??)
 Thanks in advance!
Colin

Msg 42921 is 15 line(s) on 12/18/89 from BILL WOLFF
to BRENT JONES re: R/EDITORS

I use three, at least on MS-DOS computers. Word Star 5.0, VDE 1.20 (I also
have VDE 1.40A) and PC Write 3.03 (I use to use version 2.71).

I got Word Star from DAK with other software for $99. It even comes with
PC-Outline that you heard from here.

VDE is great for quick and dirty editing. You can edit two files at once
too. About 30K in size. Real handy! Uses WS commands!

Now we get to PC Write. I great word processor! Although not mentioned
I don't believe, can use WS commands too. Try them, they work! Now the
rest of the program is also great. It can also check your spelling as you
type. Just great. Nothing like it. If WS didn't work so nice, I would use
PC Write for everything. It's been called the best Shareware program
ever made. I agree! If not, is gotta be number two! <BW>

Msg 42922 is 14 line(s) on 12/18/89 from BENJAMIN COHEN
to RICHARD GOZDAL re: R/COPYRIGHT HELP.

You should take a look at the copyright license that <probably> came
with the package, or contact the author of the"tools". For example,
BASCOM (Microsoft) offers a free license that allows the author of a
program compiled with BASCOM to distribute the required run-time module
BRUN.COM. You do have to put an additional notice in your software tha
"Portions copyright Microsoftx". Any author/distributor of a
compiler of a similar ilk (i.e, one that requires use of the author's
tools/run-time module, etc) in connection with the compiled program,
or which pulls some portion of the tools into the compiled program, NEEDS
to have a policy. Some of the idiots require the end-user to have the
program, just as an interpreter would (you need BASIC to run a BAS program).

By the way - (c) is not enough of a copyright claim. Use "Copyright",
or "Copr." if you cant put the "C" in a circle.

Msg 42923 is 30 line(s) on 12/18/89 from BENJAMIN COHEN
to ALL re: MAGAZINES HAVE GOT TO GO

The magazines have got to go, the computer room is just
filling up with them:

 InfoWorld
Complete "magazine" issues, about 140 in all, Oct 31 '83 to
August 26 '85, plus f*balance of '85, '86 complete, 37
of 52 issues from '87, 46 of 52 from '88, and '89 missing
only one issue.

 Computer Shopper
June '88 to Dec '89

 Personal Computing
17 issues from '88-89

 PC Computing
Six issues, 88-89

 Lifelines, The Software Magazine
17 issues from November '82 to October '84

 Lan Technology
Volume 5 #1 through #3

(a) these have to be picked up at my home in Niles, IL. I won't
pack (though they are in boxes) or ship.
(b) most magazines are complete, but I do remove all card inserts,
many stiff cardboard ads, and the like. Some magazines may have a
few articles clipped out. Leave messages here or on Antelope Freeway
RAS, 312-764-5162, or on ans mach at 312-726-3569 or 708-965-8144.

Msg 42924 is 06 line(s) on 12/18/89 from ERIC BOHLMAN
to COLIN SCHROEDER re: R/VIDEO BIOS PATCHES

I remember seeing a discussion of this problem in a Fidonet echo devoted
to WP. Apparently the program sizes up video memory and decides that
the VGA is an extension of the mono or vice versa. I can't remember
what the workaround was, but I know there was one. You might want
to post a message in the WP echo; it's available, among other places,
on my BBS (COPH-2) at 312-286-0608 (NW Chicago).

Msg 42925 is 01 line(s) on 12/18/89 from ERIC BOHLMAN
to BENJAMIN COHEN re: R/COPYRIGHT HELP.

And don't forget "All Rights Reserved" for international protection.

Msg 42926 is 09 line(s) on 12/19/89 from MICHAEL MOSER
to ALL re: VECTOR MZ COMPUTER

I'm rather new to this BBS so if i'm out of line asking this, tell me.
I have a Vector modelS-100 system(?) with Micropolis hard-sectored
drives, a Bitstreamer i/o card, and 2 RAM cards. I need to find (a) some
software ( besides the built in rom monitor ), (b) some docs for the
boards. I have aon something called MDOS made by micropolis, b{t
they couldn't help me, and Vector is no longer in buisness. HELP!
thx
M. Mose{
( sorry if it's messy, i got a bad connection )

Msg 42927 is 05 line(s) on 12/19/89 from CLIFF SHARP
to ALL re: 8051 ASSEMBLER?

 Anyone have any tips on 8051 assemblers? I'm going to need one soon and
could use some tips on good ones, bad ones, whatever.
 Also thinking about an 8051 C compiler. Any thoughts there?

 AdTHANKSvance.

Msg 42928 is 08 line(s) on 12/19/89 from CLIFF SHARP
to ALL re: RODIME STARTUP PROBLEM

 I'm using a Rodime 203E; it's a fair disk for its age, but I have to
leave the computer turned on at all times, because it's harder than all
get-out to get the thing to rotate on startup. Anyone got any ideas?
 The auto-park is enabled. I don't have a manual and would like to
disable it on general principle, as many drives have a sticktion problem
related to auto-parking. Anyone know how to do that?

 AdTHANKSvance.
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