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CBBS(R) 4.0.3a
06/10/89 09:46:48

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]I ALMOST HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WARD CHRISTIANSIAN THROUGH AN
IBM SE THATS WORKING WITH US AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AT GRAND AND
CENTRAL, BUT IT DIDNT HAPPEN...MAYBE NEXT TIME
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06/05/89,00:21:04,206092,X,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,8
]Off to Dallas. Returning Friday.  Keep an eye on things.  Thanks.
WARD CHRISTENSEN,
06/05/89,02:44:12,206093,2,TONY ANTONUCCI,,15
06/05/89,04:39:19,206094,2,ALEX ZELL,,3
]Both eyes open.
ALEX ZELL,
06/05/89,05:42:30,206095,2,PETE JONES,,1
06/05/89,06:57:20,20609,2,DENNIS STAHL,,5
06/05/89,07:43:56,206097,3,MURRAY ARNOW,,1
06/05/89,09:02:17,206098,2,PAUL STREETER,,0
06/05/89,10:00:26,206099,1,PAUL TEN EYCK,VALLEY COTTAGE/N.Y.,
E#41892,10
06/05/89,11:04:49,206100,2,PHIL SCHUMAN,,1
06/05/89,11:15:20,206101,1,ABE FAFOOFNITZ,,21
]THANKS FOR THE INTERESTING INFO> I AM A NEOPHYTE AT THIS AND AM TRYING
TO LEARN> THANKS AGAIN!
ABE FAFOOFNITZ,
06/05/89,11:47:13,206102,1,COLIN SCHROEDER,,1
06/05/89,11:59:26,206103,1,JIM GOHMANN,,4
06/05/89,12:02:59,206104,1,ABE FAFOOFNITZ,,1
06/05/89,12:06:33,206105,1,ABE FAFOOFNITZ,,14
]THANKS AGAIN!
ABE FAFOOFNITZ,
06/05/89,14:11:24,206106,1,ABE FAFOOFNITZ,,6
06/05/89,14:41:37,206107,2,RANDY IMAGEN,,
06/05/89,14:53:22,206108,2,MARTY LINGG,,1
06/05/89,15:43:10,206109,1,PAUL TEN EYCK,,1
06/05/89,17:03:48,206110,2,JOEL COLMAN,,5
06/05/89,18:04:57,206111,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,,1
06/05/89,18:58:34,206112,9,DAVID GIBBS,,0
06/05/89,20:39:34,206113,2,JIM POLOUS,,0
06/05/89,20:41:18,206114,1,MIKE DAVIS,,1
06/05/89,20:42:21,206115,1,CEDRIC TUTTLXSNE,,
06/05/89,21:25:23,206116,1,DAVE FABIAN,SSC NTC GREAT LAKES  IL.,22
06/05/89,21:48:34,206117,2,ART CLEMONS,,4
06/05/89,23:16:14,206118,1,MICHAEL KASSEL,,3
06/06/89,00:45:39,206119,2,CLIFF SHARP,,4
06/06/89,03:30:22,206120,1,CHARLIE KESTNER,,17
]__WC: msg 4 u in oplog.
__AZ: Howdy!
CHARLIE KESTNER,
06/06/89,05:23:09,206121,2,ALEX ZELL,,
06/06/89,05:27:45,206122,2,ALEX ZELL,,0
]How do! Where ya been hanging out?
ALEX ZELL,
06/06/89,05:29:39,206123,2,JAMES SCHMIDT,,1
06/06/89,05:37:03,206124,2,PETE JONES,,1
06/06/89,05:45:14,206125,2,RICHARD HINTON,,1
06/06/89,06:41:14,206126,1,PAUL TEN EYCK,,1
]PAUL TEN EYCK,
06/06/89,07:24:48,206127,1,JON BAILEY,naperville,4
06/06/89,07:33:09,206128,2,PAUL STREETER,,2
06/06/89,09:33:57,206129,3,ABE FAFOOFNITZ,,4
06/06/89,09:40:34,206130,2,DENNIS STAHL,,2
06/06/89,11:33:45,206131,1,MATT KRUEGER,,
>Help: \,5
06/06/89,11:42:30,206132,1,MATT KRUEGER,,
E#41893,10
06/06/89,13:25:55,206133,1,ANDY SHAPIRO,,
E#41894,5
06/06/89,14:36:35,206134,2,PAUL BERKER,Lake Villa,1
]PAUL BERKER,
06/06/89,15:06:09,206135,1,MINH NGUYEN,ELMHURST/IL,
06/06/89,16:19:16,206136,1,MICHAEL VAGLIENTY,,4
06/06/89,16:27:20,206137,2,JASON COATH,River Forest/ IL,3
]JASON COATH,
06/06/89,17:10:55,206138,2,JAMES SCHMIDT,,2
06/06/89,17:52:41,206139,2,PAUL DOWNING,BARLETT/ILL,
>Help: BREIF,
E#41895,10
]GOD HAS THIS SYSTEM CHANGED.
I HAVE NOT BEEN ON FOR OVER FOUR YEARS, KEEP IT UP.
HOPE TO ALLWAYS BE PLEASED TO FIND YOU STILL EXIST YEAR
AFTER YEAR.
PAUL DOWNING,
06/06/89,18:47:50,206140,2,ALEX ZELL,,
06/06/89,20:07:19,206141,2,EARL HALL,,3
06/06/89,20:23:36,206142,3,JIM SACKETT,,
E#41896,17
06/06/89,20:57:02,206143,2,LEWIS POPPELREITER,Panama City/ FL,4
06/06/89,21:16:01,206144,1,JOHN W. SPALDING,Palatine/ IL,7
06/06/89,21:24:49,206145,2,BILL COLEMAN,,4
06/06/89,21:33:02,206146,1,JOHNSON CHAO,Waukegan/ IL,7
06/06/89,21:39:32,206147,1,JERRY SMILEY,,4
06/06/89,22:10:15,206148,2,JIM VENESKEY,Strongsville/Ohio,
E#41897,10
06/06/89,22:45:26,206149,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,,
E#41898,10
06/06/89,23:07:04,206150,2,CHARLIE MORAN,,4
06/06/89,23:54:49,206151,2,JIM ANDERSON,,
E#41899,
E#41900,12
06/07/89,00:09:49,206152,2,JIM POLOUS,,2
06/07/89,00:24:06,206153,2,ED FOSTER,,5
06/07/89,02:41:47,206154,2,PAUL STREETER,,2
06/07/89,03:38:05,206155,2,JERRY OLSEN,,
]>> got Flash<<

E#41901,
E#41902,15
06/07/89,05:31:22,206156,2,PETE JONES,,1
06/07/89,06:54:55,206157,2,DENNIS STAHL,,5
06/07/89,08:24:51,206158,2,PETE CANTELE,,3
06/07/89,09:22:37,206159,2,PHIL SCHUMAN,,1
06/07/89,09:33:29,206160,2,DENNIS STAHL,,0
06/07/89,10:09:28,206161,1,SHAWNA OLWEN,B~,9
06/07/89,10:15:30,206162,1,SHAWNA OLWEN,,
E#41903,10
06/07/89,12:03:46,206163,2,PETER OCALLAGHAN,,6
]PETER OCALLAGHAN,
06/07/89,12:20:19,206164,1,ALLEN NELSON,,2
06/07/89,12:57:41,206165,3,JOSE CARTER,napervillr,
06/07/89,13:15:09,206166,1,GARY MCCOY,,8
06/07/89,13:35:49,206167,2,DENNIS STAHL,,1
06/07/89,14:15:15,206168,3,CARTER JOSE,naperville,
06/07/89,14:25:19,206169,3,CARTER JOSE,,
06/07/89,15:01:55,206170,2,HOWARD BILLSON,Avenel/NJ,1
06/07/89,15:28:08,206171,1,JIM JOYCE,CHICAGO IL,
E#41904,12
]I ALMOST HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WARD CHRISTIANSIAN THROUGH AN
IBM SE THATS WORKING WITH US AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AT GRAND AND
CENTRAL, BUT IT DIDNT HAPPEN...MAYBE NEXT TIME
JIM JOYCE,
06/07/89,21:03:52,206172,3,JIM SACKETT,,
E#41905,40
06/07/89,22:00:04,206173,2,PAUL LIVINGSTON,,1
06/07/89,22:04:14,206174,1,JIM JOYCE,,5
06/07/89,22:20:47,206175,2,JIM ANDERSON,,
E#41906,14
06/07/89,22:43:39,206176,2,RICHARD LARSON,oak park/ ill,12
06/07/89,23:35:38,206177,2,JIM ANDERSON,,
E#41907,6
06/08/89,00:31:20,206178,1,G G,L,
06/08/89,00:51:54,206179,2,BOB VON BORSTEL,,6
06/08/89,01:13:02,206180,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,,4
06/08/89,02:11:12,206181,2,EDWARD LEE,Chicago/ IL,2
06/08/89,02:13:24,206182,1,EDWARD LEE,,
E#41908,66
06/08/89,03:52:11,206183,2,ALEX ZELL,,
06/08/89,07:11:12,206184,3,JIM SACKETT,,
E#41909,13
06/08/89,07:34:15,206185,2,PAUL STREETER,,
E#41910,8
06/08/89,08:12:02,206186,3,MURRAY ARNOW,,4
06/08/89,09:44:29,206187,2,MARTY LINGG,,1
06/08/89,11:40:16,206188,1,GLENN POWERS,,7
06/08/89,12:21:16,206189,1,JACK HOMA,,1
06/08/89,13:05:43,206190,2,DENNIS STAHL,,4
06/08/89,14:55:04,206191,1,MIKE BOHACZ,,
E#41911,7
06/08/89,15:03:40,206192,1,MIKE BOHACZ,,3
06/08/89,15:25:52,206193,1,MICHAEL MCNALLY,,15
06/08/89,15:42:46,206194,9,JIM THALE,,
E#41912,8
06/08/89,16:00:55,206195,2,RICHARD HINTON,,1
06/08/89,16:38:05,206196,2,JAMES SCHMIDT,,2
06/08/89,18:46:22,206197,2,DONALD DERUSHA,,
E#41913,3
06/08/89,18:59:33,206198,1,ABE FAFOOFNITZ,,5
06/08/89,20:05:08,206199,1,DON PIVEN,,4
06/08/89,20:15:16,206200,2,DONALD LEAMAN,,2
06/08/89,20:18:42,206201,1,EDGAR COUDAL,,2
06/08/89,21:23:25,206202,2,TRACY LOSE,,4
06/08/89,21:32:45,206203,3,JIM SACKETT,,3
06/09/89,00:19:20,206204,2,JIM ANDERSON,,1
06/09/89,03:07:34,206205,1,JOHN GAUGHAN,STONE PARK IL.,23
06/09/89,03:42:52,206206,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,,2
06/09/89,05:32:36,206207,2,RICHARD HINTON,,1
06/09/89,06:20:16,206208,1,BARRY POLLACK,,
E#41914,35
06/09/89,07:04:02,206209,2,PETE JONES,,1
06/09/89,18:03:07,206210,2,PAUL CHARTRAW,Chicago/IL,3
06/09/89,18:07:01,206211,1,RICHARD GOZDAL,,10
06/09/89,18:53:21,206212,1,MIKE BOHACZ,,2
06/09/89,19:28:38,206213,2,ROY FELTNER,,1
06/09/89,19:57:16,206214,2,BILL WOLFF,,2
06/09/89,20:05:07,206215,2,RICHARD HINTON,,2
06/09/89,20:09:12,206216,1,RANDY PATTERSON,chWUxicago il,
>Help: KY,
>Help: L,6
06/09/89,20:15:50,206217,2,DAN SEIBOLD,,
E#41915,11
06/09/89,20:27:28,206218,2,DAN SEIBOLD,,
E#41916,3
06/09/89,20:59:15,206219,1,ALEX ZELL,,
06/09/89,21:15:26,206220,2,ALEX ZELL,,
E#41917,
06/09/89,21:48:23,206221,1,CHARLIE KESTNER,,5
]__AZ: Not been hanging out, been hanging ON it!
__60-72hr work-weeks.  Screws up one's computing
life (not to mention one's assorted OTHER lives),
but sure is nice every other Monday.
__Finally got the s.o. to realise I'm getting
a new box this year.  Wonder if she'll go into
cardiac arrest when I spend five bills on it?  8-]
CHARLIE KESTNER,
06/09/89,22:34:00,206222,2,DON SWART,,6
06/09/89,23:05:55,206223,1,DAVID MAGART,,4
06/10/89,00:20:27,206224,2,PAUL STREETER,,1
06/10/89,01:24:51,206225,2,JIM POLOUS,,
E#41918,5
06/10/89,01:41:04,206226,2,VAISHNAVA DASA,chicago,9
06/10/89,02:17:34,206227,2,JIM ANDERSON,,2
06/10/89,03:17:53,206228,2,PAUL DOWNING,,
E#41919,4
06/10/89,03:25:20,206229,2,JIM MORAVEC,,3
06/10/89,07:07:00,206230,2,CHARLIE MORAN,,6
06/10/89,08:36:18,206231,3,MURRAY ARNOW,,91
06/10/89,08:57:49,206232,9,DAVID GIBBS,,1
06/10/89,09:26:18,206233,1,GARY MCCOY,,1
06/10/89,09:43:07,206234,2,PAUL STREETER,,
E#41920,19
06/10/89,09:46:52,206235,9,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,
41892 06/05/89 PAUL TEN EYCK => WARD CHRISTENSON: "XTALK XMODEM CONSIDERATIONS"
41893 06/06/89 MATT KRUEGER => ALL: "DISPLAY POSTSCRIPT"
41894 06/06/89 ANDY SHAPIRO => ALL: "EXPERIENCE W/SUN?"
41895 06/06/89 PAUL DOWNING => ALL: "SALE OF MONTOR AND SYSTEM"
41896 06/06/89 JIM SACKETT => WARD CHRISTENSEN: "INFO ON STARTING A BBS"
41897 06/06/89 JIM VENESKEY => ALL: "PC SPRINT UPGRADE"
41898 06/06/89 ERIC BOHLMAN => JIM SACKETT: "R/INFO ON STARTING A BBS"
41899 06/06/89 JIM ANDERSON => STEVE COHEN: "R/TAPE CARTIDGES"
41900 06/07/89 JIM ANDERSON => PAUL DOWNING: "R/SALE OF MONTOR AND SYSTEM"
41901 06/07/89 JERRY OLSEN => JIM SACKETT: "R/INFO ON STARTING A BBS"
41902 06/07/89 JERRY OLSEN => WARD: "R/THANX"
41903 06/07/89 SHAWNA OLWEN => ED HORSH: "C"
41904 06/07/89 JIM JOYCE => ALL: "BOOT UP PROBLEM ON XT"
41905 06/07/89 JIM SACKETT => JIM JOYCE: "R/BOOT PROBLEM"
41906 06/07/89 JIM ANDERSON => JIM JOYCE: "R/BOOT UP PROBLEM ON XT"
41907 06/07/89 JIM ANDERSON => PAUL DOWNING: "R/SALE OF MONTOR AND SYSTEM"
41908 06/08/89 EDWARD LEE => ALAN LAYA: "R/T/PASCAL V4.0 EXEC FUNCTION"
41909 06/08/89 JIM SACKETT => JIM JOYCE: "R/ANOTHER THOUGHT"
41910 06/08/89 PAUL STREETER => JIM JOYCE: "R/BOOT UP"
41911 06/08/89 MIKE BOHACZ => KEVIN HUOTARI: "QUESTION FOR YOU"
41912 06/08/89 JIM THALE => BILL WOLFF: "R/CROSSTALK VERSION 3.0"
41913X 06/08/89 DONALD DERUSHA => ALL: "TELENET/PC PURSUIT"
41914 06/09/89 BARRY POLLACK => ALL: "AMSTRAD 640 ?"
41915 06/09/89 DAN SEIBOLD => ALL: "HELP WITH DIP SWITCH SETTINGS"
41916 06/09/89 DAN SEIBOLD => RICHARD HINTON: "R/SETTING COLOR FROM DOS"
41917 06/09/89 ALEX ZELL => DONALD DERUSHA: "TELENET/PCP #"
41918 06/10/89 JIM POLOUS => JIM JOYCE: "TRY THIS"
41919 06/10/89 PAUL DOWNING => JIM ANDERSON: "MONITOR"
41920 06/10/89 PAUL STREETER => JIM POULOS: "R/BLEST"

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Retrieving flagged msgs: C skips, K aborts.

Msg 41892 is 05 line(s) on 06/05/89 from PAUL TEN EYCK
to WARD CHRISTENSON re: XTALK XMODEM CONSIDERATIONS 

xtalk referred us to you regarding their implementation of xmodem protocol
we are trying to write a program on a pick system to send and receive data
in ascii format using xtalk. we can presently receive data but we do not
get a checksum or etx. we would appreciate it if you can give us some
more detail. thanx paul

Msg 41893 is 06 line(s) on 06/06/89 from MATT KRUEGER
to ALL re: DISPLAY POSTSCRIPT

Does anyone reading this know of a way to take a PostScript language
page-description file and display it on an IBM high-resolution graphics
screen such as EGA or VGA? I am working on a project that needs this
capability and have already looked at "Freedom of Press" and QMS's
"UltraScript PC". Most preferably, I would like a hardware solution, as
time is a consideration. Thank you.

Msg 41894 is 10 line(s) on 06/06/89 from ANDY SHAPIRO
to ALL re: EXPERIENCE W/SUN?

One of the organizations
I consult for is tring to decide on a UNIX platform for manipulating
very large files (probably using AWK). The two machines currently
in serious contention are the IBM RT running AIX and the SUN 386i
running SunOS, which seem to be similar flavors of UNIX. The third
possibility is an IBM Model 80 under AIX. Here's the deal -
we need a relatively quick machine with 1 GB of storage. Does anyone
have any experience with such critters, especially the SUN 386i? It's
a cute machine, but once you get beneath the graphics (too cute),
how good IS it?

Msg 41895 is 09 line(s) on 06/06/89 from PAUL DOWNING
to ALL re: SALE OF MONTOR AND SYSTEM

selling a hp portable vectra with case for $500.00
 -512k
 -3 1/4 disk drive
 -40 megabyte drive
also selling
overhead ega montor for large screen display $500.00
please leave a message on this system directed to myself
if interested. this is not a company but a private hobbist
upgrading to a 386 machine.

Msg 41896 is 10 line(s) on 06/06/89 from JIM SACKETT
to WARD CHRISTENSEN re: INFO ON STARTING A BBS

I'm wondering if you can tell me what I need to set up a BBS. This
would be used privately and not available to the general public.
Specifically : are prorams like the one used here available (if not
this one). What type of hardware is needed and what are the costs
involved in the complete setup. In Addition; what are the SYSOP
time requirements and what is involved.
As you see I have more than a few questions ! I hope that you can
help me out.
 Thanks
 Jim Sackett

Msg 41897 is 09 line(s) on 06/06/89 from JIM VENESKEY
to ALL re: PC SPRINT UPGRADE

I have just been reading the advertisement for Megatronics Sprint Mother-
board for PC XT ->> PC AT upgrading. It seems fantastic - 20mhz @ only
100ns - and was wondering if anyone has any info on it - either from
actual experience or reading. I am interested in how compatible it really
is, I got burnt earlier with an DTK 10mhz board so now I research heavily.
any info - direct to me here, I'll try to PC Pursuit my way here again
soon. I heard so much about this BBS I just had to logon!
Jim Veneskey
Strongsville, Ohio

Msg 41898 is 28 line(s) on 06/06/89 from ERIC BOHLMAN
to JIM SACKETT re: R/INFO ON STARTING A BBS

The hardware requirements for running a BBS are pretty much a computer
and a modem. For maximum choice of software, I'd suggest an IBM compatible;
from what I understand of your requirements, an XT compatible should
be sufficient. A hard drive is a necessity; unless you're going to
be storing a huge number of files, a 20 or 30 megabyte drive should
do. Your machine should have an internal clock/calendar combo, as
most BBS software uses the date and time and you don't want to be constantly
entering those manually. You won't need fancy graphics adaptors or
monitors; the monochrome graphics card and monitor that are often bundled
with systems should do. You can find package deals for under $1000;
you could do even better if you wanted to buy a used machine.

I would recommend using a 2400-baud modem, though depending on your
usage projections you could make do with 1200 (if, fr example, the
system's main function would be user-to-user electronic mail). However,
you're only talking about an extra $50-$60 for 2400.

There are a large number of BBS software packages available; call boards
using various programs and decide which one seems closest to your needs.
Many BBS programs are free.

As far as your time goes, for a purely private BBS you'll need to log
in daily to check for problems and you'll need to do backups. You
won't really have to be concerned about things like checking uploads
for legitimacy or messages for offensive language (things that take
up time on public BBS systems). Once you've got the thing running
smoothly, I'd say maybe an hour a day average (not counting caller
training time).

Msg 41899 is 02 line(s) on 06/06/89 from JIM ANDERSON
to STEVE COHEN re: R/TAPE CARTIDGES

How much do you want for the tapes? They go for about $2-3 each used.
Give me a call 981-9300

Msg 41900 is 02 line(s) on 06/07/89 from JIM ANDERSON
to PAUL DOWNING re: R/SALE OF MONTOR AND SYSTEM

Please give me a call 981-9300. I can also get you a 386 20mhz machine
for a good price.

Msg 41901 is 28 line(s) on 06/07/89 from JERRY OLSEN
to JIM SACKETT re: R/INFO ON STARTING A BBS

Eric covered most of the salient points. I'll add just a couple of more
thoughts. First, take as much time as needed to find a program which
REALLY appeals to you. Changing over to a new system is a real pain,
and living with a system you come to dislike is worse. Besides checking
out the various systems used on public BBSes, you might skim through
catalogs from shareware/PD software outlets as well as popular PC
magazines, which often list software you can obtain and test for free,
or nearly so. Make surethe sysop utilities are easy and meet all needs
that you've planned for your kind of system. Lastly, be SURE to talk
with a couple of sysops who run the system on which you tentatively
decide. The first set of programs I used had bugs that cropped up in
devastating ways. (I didn't check with anyone!)
 It's generally wisest to get a VERY "Hayes-compatible" modem,
as BBSes have to handle a lot of unexpected rudeness on the part of a
few callers, and you presumably won't be around 24 hrs./day to reset
the system if problems develop. Again, you might check with sysops.
Personally, I'm now running a Supra 2400, which works admirably-clean,
reliable.
 While time is far less a factor for most private systems, you'll
need to make provisions to get the inevitable problems (hardware or
software) fixed very quickly.especially providing for times when you
may be out of town. The message-base files generally need to be purged (and
backed up) once a week or so. And even the best systems CAN hang and
need to be reset at least once in awhile.Relatedly, the sysop/sponsor
needs to allocate some funds for immediate repairs (and preferably back-up
computer and modem). Systems which are down for a period of time lead to
a certain amount of chaos and loss of users.
 Good luck.

Msg 41902 is 03 line(s) on 06/07/89 from JERRY OLSEN
to WARD re: R/THANX

Thanx for the Flash.No real rush on this one, with a couple of time-
consuming projects ahead of it. So "when you can" fits in nicely. Thanx
in advance for putting in the time.

Msg 41903 is 01 line(s) on 06/07/89 from SHAWNA OLWEN
to ED HORSH re: C

ed we are here just tt you know

Msg 41904 is 23 line(s) on 06/07/89 from JIM JOYCE
to ALL re: BOOT UP PROBLEM ON XT

IM IN NEED OF INFORMATION CONCERNING A BOOT UP PROBLEM EXPERIENCED BY A FRIEND
FRIEND WITH AN XT CLONE. IT SEEMS THAT AFTER THE RAM TEST, THE DRIVE WILL
CHECK THE A AND B DRIVES GO TO THE C DRIVE AND THEN RETURN TO THE A DRIVE
TO LOOK FOR THE NECESSARY DOS FILES TO BOOT THE SYSTEM. THE 20 MEG HARD
DRIVE HAS THE DOS HIDDEN FILES AND COMMAND.COM ON IT AND THE DOS PROGRAMS
THEMSELVES ARE ACCESSIBLE THRU THE PATH STATEMENT. HOWEVER THE ATTEMPTS TO
BOOT THE SYSTEM ARE MET WITH A NON-SYSTEM DISC, INSERT AND ENTER MESSAGE
THAT ARE SHOWN AFTER THE SYSTEM LOOKS INTO THE A DRIVE FOR THE DOS DISC .
ITS AS THOUGH THE C DRIVE IS BEING COMPLETELY IGNORED. NOW SO FAR IVE TRIED
RECOPYING THE SYSTEM FILES TO THE DISC. IVE ALSO TRIED INCLUDING A DRIVER
STATEMENT TO DOS IN THE CONFIG.SYS . iVE ALSO TRIED COPYING THE DOS DISC TO
THE ROOT DIRECTORY OF THE C DRIVE AND ELIMINATING THE PATH STATEMENT AS WELL
AS THE AUTOEXEC.BAT SO THE SYSTEM WOULD DEFAULT TO BOOTING UP AS SOON AS IT
WOULD LOCATE THE SYSTEM FILES. ALL TO NO AVAIL.IS THIS A PROBLEM CAUSED
BY A BAD ROM CHIP ON THE CONTROLLER CARD OR AM I MISSING SOMETHING. AFTER
BOOTING FROM DRIVE A AND SWITCHING TO DRIVE C EVERYTHING WORKS FINE. TYPING
AUTOEXEC AFTER SWITCHING FROM THE A DRIVE TO THE C DRIVE REINSTALLS THE PATH
STATEMENT AND ALL PROGRAMS RUN NORMALLY.GOD THIS IS FRUSTRATING. INCIDENTLY
ATTEMPTS TO REFORMAT THE HARD DRIVE ARE MET WITH THE MESSAGE INVALID DRIVE
SPECIFICATION.ANY IDEAS.IT MIGHT BE COINCIDENCE BUT ALL THIS HAPPENED
AFTER I RAN PCTOOLS ON THE COMPUTER. AND IT WAS COPIED TO THE DRIVE, NOT
INSTALLED, I KIND OF FEEL THAT I MIGHT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MY FRIENDS TROUB-
LES AND WOULD LIKE TO BAIL MYSELF AND HIM OUT.THANKS IN ADVANCE

Msg 41905 is 30 line(s) on 06/07/89 from JIM SACKETT
to JIM JOYCE re: R/BOOT PROBLEM

Jim : It sure sounds like you have a problem with the system seeing
drive C. I am not sure if you have data on the drive or not but here
is a proceedure to set a hard drive up and have it boot from C:. You
can at least see if you missed something.
First boot from drive A: with DOS. At the A>prompt type DEBUG {press enter}
The system will return with a hyphen (-). Then type according to your
controller card one of the following
(Western Digital) g=c800:5
(Adaptec) g=c800:ccc
(OMTI) g=c800:6
 {ENTER}
Then enter the following to the next prompts
Press Y for low level format procedure
Current drive is C select new drive or RETURN {just hit return for C}
Current interleave is 3 . {just hit return}
Note interleave may be 2,3,4 or 5
Are you dynamically configuring your drive ? { hit N and ENTER}
Press Y to begin formatting drive C with interleave 03 (or 2,4,5) {ENTER}
This will begin low level formatting. When this is over finnally, Have the
DOS disk in A: and press any key to reboot
Next set up the DOS partition.
Type FDISK {ENTER}
From this menu select option 1 create a DOS partition. If you are using the
entire disk for DOS answer Yes. When it is finnished partitioning the disk
the sytem will reboot.
Now do a DOS format. At the A>{prompt} type
FORMAT C:/s{press enter}
The drive should then boot from C:. If you had a problem with getting back into
into a formatted hard drive make sure you are using the same DOS version in
drive A: GOOD LUCK Jim Sackett

Msg 41906 is 06 line(s) on 06/07/89 from JIM ANDERSON
to JIM JOYCE re: R/BOOT UP PROBLEM ON XT

Sounds like you screwed up the FAT. If you can read drive C after you
boot on A, copy all the important files onto the floppy. Then use
"fdisk" and check the hard drive. And make sure that is partitioned as a dos
and is bootable. Also check PCTOOLS to see if it has a way to repair
FAT. If that doesnot work you will have todo a low level format as the other
message says and start over. Sorry but it happens

Msg 41907 is 01 line(s) on 06/07/89 from JIM ANDERSON
to PAUL DOWNING re: R/SALE OF MONTOR AND SYSTEM

Pleas call me 981-9300. Is the monitor a free standing colormonitor??

Msg 41908 is 09 line(s) on 06/08/89 from EDWARD LEE
to ALAN LAYA re: R/T/PASCAL V4.0 EXEC FUNCTION

The Turbo Pascal EXEC procedure was discussed on Internet a month
or two ago. A potential problem in using the EXEC procedure is
the requirement that you must explictly indicate the path of a
program to execute. The EXEC procedure does not automatically
search for a program according to the MS-DOS PATH environment variable
in Turbo Pascal v4.0.


-Ed L

Msg 41909 is 11 line(s) on 06/08/89 from JIM SACKETT
to JIM JOYCE re: R/ANOTHER THOUGHT

You mentioned that you tried reinstalling the system files.
Make sure that you use the same version of DOS or MSDOS that
the hard drive was originally set up with. You can use pctools
to aid you in doing this. The two important ones are
IBMBIO.COM and IBMDOS.COM. You can also recopy ANSI.SYS and
COMMAND.COM if you want too. If you unhide the files with pctools,
make sure you rehide them again on the hard drive to insure the boot.
Also rehide them again on your floppy to make sure you don't loose that
too.
 GOOD LUCK AGAIN !
 Jim Sackett

Msg 41910 is 03 line(s) on 06/08/89 from PAUL STREETER
to JIM JOYCE re: R/BOOT UP

I think the COMSPEC parameter in CONFIG.SYS (it may be a sub-parameter
of SHELL (still in CONFIG.SYS) can be used (abused) to create a problem
like the one you describe.

Msg 41911 is 02 line(s) on 06/08/89 from MIKE BOHACZ
to KEVIN HUOTARI re: QUESTION FOR YOU

Hey Kevin, this HyperCard book keeps mentioning my "arrow" keys, but I
don't have any on my Mac. What's a lad to do?

Msg 41912 is 05 line(s) on 06/08/89 from JIM THALE
to BILL WOLFF re: R/CROSSTALK VERSION 3.0

I believe the patching section is all in the front 400H bytes of the
program. I have used Xtalk a lot and like it. Never got it running on
my particular flavorof I/O currently run, but this might be the spark
I need. If you have more questions I'm on the BOZO Board a lot @
(312)948-5754. I've got a manual too in case you don't.
No msg 41913

Msg 41914 is 05 line(s) on 06/09/89 from BARRY POLLACK
to ALL re: AMSTRAD 640 ?

Does anyone know if the above portable xt compatible for $695 is worth
while. I saw it advertised in the back of the June issue of Byte but
for this price it seems almost to good. Am I missing something?
Thanks
Barry

Msg 41915 is 06 line(s) on 06/09/89 from DAN SEIBOLD
to ALL re: HELP WITH DIP SWITCH SETTINGS

I just added a multi-function card to an IBMpc 8088 with a 256k board
This unit has a "B" stamped on the back of it also. The unit does not
recognize the additional memory. While the manual for the Board makes
no mention of switch settings on the motherboard might there still need
to be some changes made to either SW1 or SW2? Any help in this area
would be appreciated.

Msg 41916 is 01 line(s) on 06/09/89 from DAN SEIBOLD
to RICHARD HINTON re: R/SETTING COLOR FROM DOS

Try typing MODE COLOR ;mode.com has to be avaliable

Msg 41917 is 05 line(s) on 06/09/89 from ALEX ZELL
to DONALD DERUSHA re: TELENET/PCP #

For information about PC Pursuit call 800-telenet (voice) or
800-835-3001 (modem).
They have just raised the cost. It is now $30 a month for 30 hours
a month in non-prime time. Other formulas apply for family use,
prime time, commercial, handicapped and overtime use.

Msg 41918 is 08 line(s) on 06/10/89 from JIM POLOUS
to JIM JOYCE re: TRY THIS

I once had that problem with an AT clone at one of my previous jobs. As i
turned out, the culprit was an inactive partition on the hard disk. SOm
all you'll have to do is load FDISK, select Change Active Partition. Them
Then select the partition that you want active. In your case, it will prob
probably be #1. You shouldn't lose any data in this process, but you know
what they say, 'Blest are the pesimists, for they hath make backups!'
 Hope this is a better alternative to reformatting the
 whole disk,

Msg 41919 is 01 line(s) on 06/10/89 from PAUL DOWNING
to JIM ANDERSON re: MONITOR

the monitor is for overhead projectors only.

Msg 41920 is 02 line(s) on 06/10/89 from PAUL STREETER
to JIM POULOS re: R/BLEST

Thanks for that particular addition to the Beatitudes. (I hadn't heard
it before.)
dup. chars.
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