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271 lines
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CBBS(R) 4.0.0c
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02/14/89 22:46:33
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You are caller 202719; next msg =41356; 478 active msgs.
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Prev. call 02/12/89 @ 22:07, next msg was 41342
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LOG. 12
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KILLED. 35
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SUMMARY. 30
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22:07:43,202640,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,16
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02/12/89,22:23:51,202641,3,MURRAY ARNOW,,
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E#41342,25
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02/12/89,23:29:41,202642,2,BEN LIBERMAN,,0
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02/12/89,23:46:05,202643,2,PHIL JERN,,4
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02/12/89,23:54:17,202644,2,JOEL WEINER,,2
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02/13/89,03:55:05,202645,2,JERRY OLSEN,,
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E#41343,11
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02/13/89,04:17:11,202646,2,JERRY OLSEN,,
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E#41344,5
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02/13/89,06:02:14,202647,2,PETE JONES,,2
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02/13/89,06:39:19,202648,1,BARRY POLLACK,,7
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02/13/89,06:48:59,202649,1,BARRY POLLACK,,8
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02/13/89,07:27:22,202650,1,JIM FLANAGAN,,2
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02/13/89,08:18:51,202651,2,RICHARD HINTON,,4
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02/13/89,08:30:37,202652,1,JOHN HABERMANN,,30
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02/13/89,10:24:40,202653,2,BARRY BAYER,,
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02/13/89,10:43:17,202654,2,XET MON,,3
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02/13/89,10:51:49,202655,1,REBECCAH PRASTEIN,Chicago IL,37
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02/13/89,11:24:26,202656,2,XET MON,,
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02/13/89,11:31:34,202657,2,XET MON,,6
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02/13/89,13:41:57,202658,1,STEVE JOHNSON,,4
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02/13/89,13:52:14,202659,1,STEVE JOHNSON,,4
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02/13/89,14:22:25,202660,1,ZURICH AMERICAN,Schaumburg/ IL,4
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02/13/89,14:58:30,202661,1,REBECCAH PRASTEIN,,1
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02/13/89,15:20:55,202662,2,JIM POLOUS,,
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E#41345,3
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02/13/89,15:24:44,202663,1,DAVE DEVORE,,3
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02/13/89,16:32:00,202664,2,JACK HOMA,,8
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02/13/89,16:44:20,202665,1,BILL WOLFF,,1
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02/13/89,17:02:16,202666,1,R MASKAY,chgo il,
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02/13/89,17:59:28,202667,1,BILL MOST,Chicago,1
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02/13/89,18:04:22,202668,1,COLIN SCHROEDER,,4
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02/13/89,18:14:03,202669,1,JOHN COLEMNA,Chicago,
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02/13/89,18:28:31,202670,1,BILL MOSTO,Chicago,
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E#41346,10
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02/13/89,18:50:39,202671,1,RICHARD GOZDAL,,
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E#41347,10
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02/13/89,19:02:33,202672,1,RICHARD GOZDAL,,
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E#41348,5
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02/13/89,19:15:54,202673,1,BILL WOLFF,,3
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02/13/89,19:27:26,202674,1,RON WILNER,BUFFALO GROVE IL,6
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02/13/89,19:47:52,202675,1,JOHN HOSBEIN,NORTHBROOK/ IL,2
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02/13/89,20:25:03,202676,1,KEN STOX,,5
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02/13/89,21:15:13,202677,2,PHIL JERN,,0
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02/13/89,21:26:14,202678,1,MICHAEL ZIMDAHL,,6
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02/13/89,21:43:03,202679,3,MURRAY ARNOW,,
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E#41349,34
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02/13/89,22:09:23,202680,1,BOB SULLIVAN,,
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E#41350,28
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02/13/89,22:40:33,202681,1,SCOTT DREYER,Northlake/ IL,4
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02/13/89,23:32:16,202682,7l!RANDON RICH,roselle,16
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02/13/89,23:57:58,202683,2,BILL MATTSON,,5
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02/14/89,00:06:25,202684,1,REBECCAH PRASTEIN,,
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E#41351,116
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02/14/89,03:52:14,202685,1,FRANK PONIATOWSKI,,6
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02/14/89,04:39:06,202686,2,ERIC BOHLMAN,,7
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02/14/89,05:11:37,202687,2,TOM KOWALCZYK,,1
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02/14/89,05:36:57,202688,2,PETE JONES,,1
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02/14/89,06:47:16,202689,2,JACKIE PAYTON,,
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02/14/89,06:59:01,202690,2,DENNIS STAHL,,5
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02/14/89,08:17:46,202691,1,ALEX ZELL,,83
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]LaMonte (piggy on ucin and chinet) doesnt hang out here and
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"Rebeccah" doesnt know how to spell her name. Killed it and
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relayed to him anyway.
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ALEX ZELL,
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02/14/89,08:39:05,202692,2,ALEX ZELL,,1
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]Come to think of it, it is an alternative spelling.
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Owell. Relayed to him anywa
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ALEX ZELL,
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02/14/89,08:43:24,202693,2,GARY ELFRING,,
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E#41352,10
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02/14/89,10:01:51,202694,2,PAM KNIGHT,,
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02/14/89,10:34:49,202695,2,LARRY HITZ,,5
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02/14/89,11:20:04,202696,1,MIKE KAVADIAS,,7
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02/14/89,12:08:31,202697,3,PHIL SCHUMAN,,4
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02/14/89,12:25:15,202698,1,PHIL JERN,,0
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02/14/89,12:41:44,202699,2,STEVE CASTLE,,1
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]STEVE CASTLE,
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02/14/89,13:13:29,202700,1,RICH MARQUARDT,SCHAUMBURG,23
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]I've been on your BBS over the years and you have really grown up .....all
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I can say is STAY ALIVE. You've given me a great amount of info thanks
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Rich Marquardt
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RICH MARQUARDT,
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02/14/89,13:39:15,202701,1,RANDY IMAGEN,,14
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02/14/89,13:56:13,202702,2,MARTY LINGG,,3
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02/14/89,14:20:49,202703,2,PAUL ERICKSON,chicago/ il,3
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02/14/89,17:01:31,202704,1,JOSEPH SKOM,,6
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02/14/89,17:20:32,202705,1,BILL WOLFF,,3
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02/14/89,18:02:48,202706,2,JAMES SCHMIDT,,1
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02/14/89,18:40:19,202707,2,RICHARD HINTON,,0
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02/14/89,19:10:23,202708,1,CEDRIC TUTTLE,,
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02/14/89,19:27:39,202709,2,JIM POLOUS,,1
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02/14/89,19:32:51,202710,1,JAY SANDHAUS,Phoenix/ AZ,6
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02/14/89,21:16:35,202711,3,MURRAY ARNOW,,108
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02/14/89,21:29:10,202712,1,ERIK BRUSKE,Chicago/ il,
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02/14/89,21:49:32,202713,2,JIM MACK,CHICAGO/ IL,4
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02/14/89,21:53:38,202714,1,MARTIN VALLEY,western springs/ il,10
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02/14/89,22:09:30,202715,1,JASON COATH,,
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02/14/89,22:27:46,202716,1,MICHAEL ZIMDAHL,,2
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02/14/89,22:29:18,202717,1,RICHARD GOZDAL,,
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E#41353,
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E#41354,7
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02/14/89,22:39:37,202718,1,KHALIL HAZZIEZ,,
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E#41355,6
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02/14/89,22:46:37,202719,2,WARD CHRISTENSEN,,
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Msg 41342 is 03 line(s) on 02/12/89 from MURRAY ARNOW
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to RICHARD GOZDAL re: R/COPYRIGHT FORMS
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I wasn't aware there was a top & bottom margin requirement. The source listing
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I submitted didn't have very much space at the top and bottom. I guess it must
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have been sufficient. The copyright registration went through without hitches.
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Msg 41343 is 19 line(s) on 02/13/89 from JERRY OLSEN
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to MURRAY ARNOW ET AL. re: R/COPYRIGHT
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Within a fairly significant period of time (a year or years), you can
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always register a copyright even after your original copyright attains.
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The circumstances of an author help dictate the most prudent course,
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as well as the relative "commercialness" of a given work. The latter is
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fairly self evident. As for the former, many of us of course grind out
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stuff on a regular basis which, even though we want to retain control of
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it (partially so others at least legally can't bastardize it), experience
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dictates it just ain't commercially noteworthy. Unless and until it at
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least suggests it will be, it's money not well spent, at least in my
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view. I have the better part of a dozen programs written for use on a
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BBS I run, for example, which I don't expect will ever make me <or>
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anyone else $, even though they're well written.In those cases, I've
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"reserved" the copyright for protection while giving out occasional copies
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-just in case.Note, BTW, that until a program is really <stable>,
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registering a copyright only expends the extra measure of protection to
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that which was submitted; future changes-often rather substantial-have
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no more protection than before registration. Now if someone's <rich>,
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gee, they could spend a few hundred $ over each year just protecting
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the changes (grin). Regards.
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Msg 41344 is 11 line(s) on 02/13/89 from JERRY OLSEN
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to ALL re: MORE COPYRIGHT
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Decided to get off my rear and walk across the room after logging off.
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Sec. 412 of the 1976 Act (paraphrased for brevity) indicates that an
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author may retain full rights in all respects if s/he registers the
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copyright (1) before an alleged infringement or (2) within 3 months of
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when it first was published, whichever is later. Legal difference
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between the two? If <not> so registered, the author's remedies from the
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court are limited to (1) injunction and (2) actual damages. (Read the
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latter as the amount for which s/he was ripped off.) If formal registration
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is timely and proper, s/he also can petition for attorney's fees and
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statutory damages. (Read those as penalties.) Clearer now to us all, I
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trust.
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Msg 41345 is 01 line(s) on 02/13/89 from JIM POLOUS
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to CHARLIE KESTNER re: PERSTOR CONTROLLER
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I will be putting it in a WYSE 386.
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Msg 41346 is 06 line(s) on 02/13/89 from BILL MOSTO
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to ALL re: APPLE IIGS FOR SALE
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FOR SALE APPLE IIGS MOTHERBOARD WITH MOUSE KEYBOARD POWER SUPPLY
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LOTS OF GREAT SOFTWARE. 256k socketed on motherbboard, 1Mb on
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apples IIGS Memory Card. Great Price Great Hacker Machine Goodies include
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Ensoniq sound chip for music bufs as well as Great graphics.
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Price 799 or Best offer, Leave a message for me or call 281-0523
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Msg 41347 is 16 line(s) on 02/13/89 from RICHARD GOZDAL
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to MURRAY ARNOW re: R/COPYRIGHT FORMS
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The Federal form disn't specify any margins but the file I read did.
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With all the messages on copyright, it looks like it is a subject
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needed to bring out the pros and cons on. The revisions don't
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always need to be resubmitted if I understand it correctly, just
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the major revisions. I would consider 1-2 years long enough to
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protect a new IDEA. If anyone wants it in that time they will
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either TAKE it or buy it. I won't even put the copyright notice
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on shareware anymore, haven't even received negative comments on
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any of it. If they want it in the compiled version they can have
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THAT. The two ideas I used were new and in an area no one writes
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small programs for. The copyright lets me sleep knowing that
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the two large companies that write astrology software won't take
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over the idea if sales become profitable enough for them to do
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so.
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It would be interesting to hear from ANYONE who had infringements
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and what the copyright or no copyright did for them.
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Msg 41348 is 13 line(s) on 02/13/89 from RICHARD GOZDAL
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to BILL WOLFF re: R/DISK MAILERS
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Got so wound up in the copyright stuff I forgot to mention2the disks and
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logged off, had to get on again.
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Got a price on the mailers. They will mail out samples of the sizes so I can
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check them out for my purposes.
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Qty of 500 for single (maybe 2 disks) is 22 cents plus shipping. Will
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probably order 500 of those. Can always sell extras at the computer group
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meetings.
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I am looking for a place that has pre-cut corrigated board 5 1/2 x 5 1/2 now.
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I can use that in the padded envelopes for the disks (4). That must be quite
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cheap if I get 1000 pieces, probably the smallest order possible unless I
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resort to having them cut somewhere.
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Heck, maybe I should sell mailers locally at the meetings. Make a few dollars
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WHILE there.
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Msg 41349 is 10 line(s) on 02/13/89 from MURRAY ARNOW
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to RICHARD GOZDAL re: R/COPYRIGHT FORMS
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It is true that minor revisions need not require a new registration. Major
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revisions(derivative works) should be registered. Derivative works are in a
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sense still protected by the original copyright. For instance, if the earlier
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work is copyrighted by someone else and you decide to author a derivative work
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you are violating the original copyright if you publish without permission. If
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the original author decides to challenge your work in court, your work has no
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independent value. I think its a big mistake to not show a copyright notice on
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shareware even if it has doubtful value. If your derivative work is to be
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copyrighted, you may be challenged by someone who stole your original ideas.
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You may then have one hell of a time establishing authorship.
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Msg 41350 is 12 line(s) on 02/13/89 from BOB SULLIVAN
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to BILL WOLFF re: R/VIRUS PROBLEM SOLVED?
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Years ago I used a PET and a C64. As I recall there is an interrupt vector
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that is updated about 60 times per second. I guess a program could somehow
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wedge itself into this part of the interpretation loop. Next it could check to
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see if it is on the current disk. If not then it could make a copy of itself
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(hidden of course) and then fill in the bit map to protect its location. Since
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the disk is really only a set of programs and not a booting DOS, insuring its
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re-entry into the RAM on the next boot is a problem. Possibly, it could tie
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itself to the DIRECTORY, a tie itself to a program, write over a program and
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use its name. My point is that wedging into the operating system is no problem
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on a Commodore; in fact, it is easier than on an Apple. Reassuring re-entry
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into the RAM is possible, too. ROMs may not be a panacea.
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Msg 41352 is 05 line(s) on 02/14/89 from GARY ELFRING
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to RICHARD GOZDAL re: MAILERS
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I use a larger mailer than you are probably looking for (6 1/2 x 9 1/2) h)
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however, my experience has been that Calumet Carton & Athropomorphic Sys.
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Systems seem to be competing with each other over price, even though
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Anthropomorphic systems buys their mailers from Calumet. My last quote for big
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mailers (in 1000s) was .23 from Anthro, and .26 from Calumet.
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Msg 41353 is 02 line(s) on 02/14/89 from RICHARD GOZDAL
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to MURRAY ARNOW re: R/COPYRIGHT FORMS
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Well, I guess i WILL put a copyright notice in all work no matter how bad or
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small it is.
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Msg 41354 is 09 line(s) on 02/14/89 from RICHARD GOZDAL
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to GARY ELFRING re: R/MAILERS
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I might use the larger mailer if it is needed to fit one disk and two sheets
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of paper in. Heck, the quote I got wasn't much more for a 500 qty. Whatever,
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these prices sure beat 65 cents each in retail stores!
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I got sucker into a large purchase (minimum order price) of cut corrigated
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board to put "around" the disks with docs in padded envelopes. Any one need a
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lot of 5 3/4 x 5 3/4 pieces of stock for mailing disks? hehe. Still cheaper
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than using mailers inside the envelopes (few cents each).
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Msg 41355 is 01 line(s) on 02/14/89 from KHALIL HAZZIEZ
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to TRACY LOSE re: RESPONSE TO R/PC WORK AT HOME
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Thanks tracy; I'm going to follow thru tonight!
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