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V I R N E T U S A
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T h e F a c t s
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As I Know Them First Hand From A Virnet Hierarchy
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By Michael Paris.
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C.R.I.S (Computer Research & Information Service)
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04/29/94
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Part #1 Ethics
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First I must say that it pains me to write this. I have had
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nothing but respect for virnet and the people I have know in it.
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But with certain info I have become aware of I feel it is my duty
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as a part of the human race to make these facts known.
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I will separate this info into two parts, The first being the
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morality of virnet hierarchies and the second in being facts on
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their hidden background checks they have done on some of their
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members.
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To start with I have turned in my node address for virnet for the
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reasons you will see in this open letter, I do not care to continue
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to receive the virnet echo anymore and feel that there is some
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things you should be made aware of.
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1. A quick look through the virnet nodelist will tell you that
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there are many people connected to this echo. Why? (Not sure to
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tell you the truth). It seems that for the topic of viruses there
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is not much said. I have wasted space on my drive and time polling
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and sorting through the mail for a few announcements of files and
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welcomes, no real info, just some meaningless messages on
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percentages of echo feeds etc.
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This has changed a bit here in the US when they added the "movies"
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echo, but this is not what I was looking for, if I wanted to talk
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about movies I would get it from fido or usenet mail.
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2. The hierarchies of the net seem not to know much about viruses.
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I will say that the people I have talked to do not even know what
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a virus is! (no fun here) this is true. Log on to your favorite
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virnet hub or node (even the hierarchies systems) ask them what
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polymorphic, spawning, stealth, etc, is and they will not know.
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(this of course is not all systems, but I will guarantee that it is
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the most of them, and definitely the hierarchies in virnet).
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3. Lies, deceit, and morals. It seems that from the people I have
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talked to they are no different from the people they talk against.
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Most people know about their friend John, This man was accused of
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being vulgar to the extremes, he is shunned for speaking very
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obscene about female members of virnet, as well as his aditude that
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just shows he is unbalanced in the mind.
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Well it seems I have found the same here in the virnet hierarchies,
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talking to the people I have made me sick to my stomach and
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reminded me of the talks I had with such unbalanced people as I did
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before. It made me sick to see the hate expressed and the way it
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came out. Talking compleatly about another topic would always
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bring us back to the slander and foul language I did not want to
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take part in. As for the lies and deceit we will get into that a
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bit more in this letter. But as I have witnessed the hierarchies
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would tell me one thing (I know was truth) and cover the facts to
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the person it was about to avoid public embarrassment.
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Below you will find an actual conversation between me and A person
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in the virnet hierarchy. THIS IS -NOT- A NODE OR HUB speaking for
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virnet, it is someone in the hierarchy of virnet in a decision
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making level!
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[Narrator]
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The names were taken out to protect the guilty!
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This starts where this virnet hierarchy is talking about tring to
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totaly get rid of an ex-virnet member that was found out to be a
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nuke member getting the virnet echos. It makes me think why all the
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bull shit seeing there is nothing really in the net to protect in
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the first place but here is goes.
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"and now all we need to do is get rid of ahh, [nukemember], or I
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don't know I guess i'm gona have to get a few good minds together
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and create some kind of document to finally put this to a final
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statement ehhm"
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[Cris Staff Member] "well the biggest thing she has right know but she
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does not have any proof of,"
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"Uh hu"
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[Cris Staff Member]
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"is when you told here about the credit and legal check that was
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done on her, She does not have any proof of it but"
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[Narrator]
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Cris Staff Member was interrupted
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"I told her my dick was twelve inches long she didn't talk about
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that!"
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[Cris Staff Member]
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"I don't think that would matter much"
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"why wouldn't that, ya she's so fat it wouldn't even phase her, 320
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lbs. this girl is, I'd have to have a dick that was like god damm
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A baseball bat."
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[Cris Staff Member] "ok we won't get into that"
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[Narrator]
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So the Cris Staff Member does not want to hear this garbage, Mr.
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Virnet hierarchy goes on to talk about a previous Virnet hierarchy
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that he was told was just as bad as this nuke member, because he
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was told that virnet messages or files were being passed to the
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virus groups through that person. Then he admits here and many
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other times in this talk that he would rather join Crisnet and
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leave virnet.
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It might seem like a great prize to get someone with this position
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into Cris but, we take pride in having 'honest' and 'sincere' non
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slandering people in Cris. Every person I have talked to on this
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matter that knows him has got the same impression of him and it
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would not help Cris in the long run. He offered to bring more then
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half of virnet with him into Cris, but again it would not be worth
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it in the long run. (one bad apple theory)
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"I heard that [old virnet hierarchy] was filtering virnet stuff to
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nukenet."
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[Cris Staff Member]
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"ya,"
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"so now, you know, I mean, what's true, what's false, that's why I
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would rather then there being such distinct lines I would rather go
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in the middle with someone like you."
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"what I would love to do is leave my wife, turn out to be just, a
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bum, and so I can go, and knock some sense into all of these that
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are sitting back causing heck, AND PUT A COUPLE BULLETS IN THEIR
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BRAINS! MAKE THEM SUFFER FIRST THOUGH! Because this is just to much
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bullshit! Did you read the initial letter I wrote to [NukeMember]?"
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"I've just been praying for someone to come over here or call, I
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put my number out there, I am praying for all of these TUFF, BAD,
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LILY WHITE MOTHER FUCKERS TO COME OVER HERE!"
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"I would LOVE, to see them come over here!"
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[Narrator]
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Some time passed by and they get on the topic of that nuke member
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again, The Virnet Hierarchy thinks that the Cris staff member is
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going to spill the beans and will not fully admit to him about a
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certain matter. So he continues...
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"how do i tell you that this is a virnet policy situation among
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hosts, consequently, it would be against policy for me to go taking
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things any further with anyone but a host or higher, how does that
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sound?"
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[Cris Staff Member]
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"ok, last time when we talked you had shared with me that you had
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resources available and that you HAD done a background and legal
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check on [nukemember]"
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"It really doesn't matt...ok number one it really does not effect
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Cris Admin, ok, it really doesn't matter what we are doing! If I
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was getting ready to get on a plane to fly out there and blow here
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brains out does it matter?"
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[Cris Staff Member]
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"that would"
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"would you tell her?"
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[Cris Staff Member]
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"ya"
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"so with that in mind, why should I say anything? your showing
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partiality to her!"
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[Cris Staff Member]
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"A persons life is a whole other story, for someone to fly out to
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blow someone's brains out, that person would be short in the head
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or something, so that is a whole different scenario"
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"Well she needs somebody to, [pause] she needs to sit in jail and
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have some BIG BLACK WOMAN, [pause] STICK A BROOM HANDLE UP HER
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CUNT!" [pause] "and hopefully the broom handle will have slivers,
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maybe it will excite her! BIG FAT GREASY BITCH!"
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[Narrator]
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This is all going to far at this point, the slander against someone
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he hardly knows and his vulgar tongue is working overtime, now he
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goes on to defend the issue of looking into peoples personal
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background. (meaning credit and legal checks)
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"Does it matter if I said I was going to hire an investigator to do
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checks on every person in virnet?"
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[Cris Staff Member]
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"well, you should not have told her though, you should have never
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said anything to her"
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"it's right in the papers, that four people, BEFORE SHE JOINED,
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THAT DIRTY UGLY SLUT SHOULD LEARN HOW TO READ! its right in the
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papers that four people will have access to your information, the
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REC, the applications coordinator, Mr. Michael Larson, and she put
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up such a bitch about him having information on her, and if need
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be, and INVESTIGATOR! [pause] IT SAY'S THAT IN THE PAPER WORK!"
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[Cris Staff Member]
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"hum"
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"what ever she does in life, if she gets stopped for a traffic
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violation, the whores going to get stopped and checked for
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everything that she's ever done!"
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[Narrator]
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This goes on, and there is much more slander about named virus
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writers, virus writers in general, groups, etc. But this is here
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so you can understand why I feel that virnet has it's problems and
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I want no part in it.
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Part #2 Virnet Background Checks
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Next lets touch the area of background checks. Did you know that
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this [Virnet Hierarchy] believes that they (if they feel the need)
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believe they can check you out in ANY WAY they want?
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This includes LEGAL, CREDIT, PERSONAL, ETC... this virnet hierarchy
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told me that it has always been done this way. People did not know
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it, but the previous hierarchies did this as well. THIS WAS TOLD ME
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BY THIS VIRNET HIERARCHY!
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They feel that the words in the application that you fill out where
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it says about your info on the application, that "if need be, and
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investigator" will see it, means that they can find a private
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investigator or friend of their's to look into your LEGAL and
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PERSONAL background and DIG UP any info they can find on you!
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This hierarchy feels that there is no forgiveness or excuses for
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mistakes, if you have a bad credit background it shows you are
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"unstable" and not fit for the net! If you were an X-Convict and
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paid your debt to society, you will do it again and could be a bad
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egg in the net, so you should not be allowed in the net!
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[Narrator]
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So what we will see here is where the common fact of him telling me
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that he had someone do these checks on this virnet node is not
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disputed, but rather EVERY TIME I bring it up he changes the
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subject until it comes to the point where after hours I confront
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him and corner him on the issue and he spills the beans.
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[Cris Staff Member]
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"I guess the main thing she was talking about was the virnet checks,
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you know that they checked into her credit"
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[Narrator] ---> Interrupted by Virnet Hierarchy and changes the
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topic.
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"I will not divulge information on my life, whether I am getting
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along with my wife or not, or whether my penis is shriveled up or
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not.."
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[Narrator]
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So he goes on and on to keep away from the issue.
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[Cris staff Member]
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"Well you did do a check on her right? "
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"huh?"
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[Cris Staff Member]
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"I remember you telling me about this"
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[Narrator] ----> Interrupted again and changes the topic.
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"Hold on a minute I am reading a letter"
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[Narrator] ----> after a few minutes of reading he never comes back
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to answer.
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[Cris Staff Member]
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"well the biggest thing she has right know but she does not have any
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proof of,"
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"Uh hu"
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[Cris Staff Member]
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"is when you told here about the credit and legal check that was
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done on her, She does not have any proof of it but"
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[Narrator]
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Cris Staff Member interrupted
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"I told her my dick was twelve inches long she didn't talk about
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that!"
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[Cris Staff Member]
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"I don't think that would matter much"
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"why wouldn't that, ya she's so fat it wouldn't even phase her, 320
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lbs. this girl is, I'd have to have a dick that was like god damm
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A baseball bat."
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[Narrator]
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So we see once again he changes the topic!
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[Cris staff Member]
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"Well the main thing she's got is the fact of the legal and
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background checks, but she does not have any proof at all, there is
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nothing in writing that she can pull up, just that one instance of
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you informing her that it was done on her."
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[Narrator]
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Again this goes on, no comment on what was said, just A change of
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topic. This goes on many times, at least 12 other times where he
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evades the issue until he is cornered on it!
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"Does it matter if I said I was going to hire an investigator to do
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checks on every person in virnet?"
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[Cris Staff Member]
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"well, you should not have told here though, you should have never
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said anything to her"
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"it's right in the papers, that four people, BEFORE SHE JOINED,
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THAT DIRTY UGLY SLUT SHOULD LEARN HOW TO READ! its right in the
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papers that four people will have access to your information, the
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REC, the applications coordinator, Mr. Michael Larson, and she put
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up such a bitch about him having information on her, and if need be,
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and INVESTIGATOR! [pause] IT SAY'S THAT IN THE PAPER WORK!"
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[Cris Staff Member]
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"hum"
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"what ever she does in life, if she gets stopped for a traffic
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violation, the whores going to get stopped and checked for
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everything that she's ever done!
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[Cris Staff Member]
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"I have to be honest with you here ... I see mail nets as a hobby,
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I would not want a net to be looking into my legal and credit
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information. I am sure you feel the same way!"
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"Your ABSOLUTELY wrong!"
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[Cris Staff Member]
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"Tell me why I am wrong"
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"Everything we do in life, everything we do we get checked! When you
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go for a job, you get checked, you sign a paper, maybe you haven't
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but I have signed many of papers that said [changes idea] No matter
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what you do, if you drive, no matter what you do in life, driving
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can be a hobby, but your going to get checked! "
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"Let me give you a beautiful example, she better not ever go to LA.
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california, they send police officers on the street, and they just
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stop people at will, and they run a check on them!"
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[Cris Staff Member]
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"But we are talking about a net here, ok you feel this way because
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it's an anti-virus net or if it was any net?"
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"ANY NET! A N Y N E T!, when you join an organization they have
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every right to check up on you because you are becoming part of a
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team. and maybe there is someone that don't want as part of that
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team."
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[Cris Staff Member]
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"Well I know there is allot of people that may have claimed a
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bankruptcy in their past, or maybe they are an x-convict, they
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spent time for a certain crime, but they paid their dept to
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society. So if that shows up they are going to be kicked out of the
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net? What virnet does it it's own business, I don't want to argue,
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but" [interrupted]
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[Virnet Hierarchy]
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"She was offered to resign! did she resign? she makes it look like
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she quit the virnet! in fact all hells going to break loose when I
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resign, I'm going to resign. Everybody's going down!"
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[Narrator]
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This still goes on quite a bit, talking about many different topics
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such as law, how you should not make mistakes and if you do you
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should go to jail for them, how viruses should be against the law
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and people that write them should be locked up, many virus writers
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are mentioned and slandered, but then on the topic of prostitutes,
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they are ok! and other law breakers are not as bad as virus
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writers. I told him that I resign my node number for virnet, and
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he asked me to please wait until this all blows over, but I could
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not wait for this all to come out in the open, so I just left my
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node number with him.
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Also I have a number of hole cards ready to come out on Mr. Virnet
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Hierarchy in case the same kind of slander comes this way.
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Here is A post that also shows support in this issue:
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* Original Area:NETMAIL
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* Original From: David Schepper (1:114/150)
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* Original To : Pam Trexler (1:15/20)
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> I would be interested to know how this turns out for
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> you and Steve. Virnet
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> is a great disappointment to me all the way round.
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Well, I got a call from Mr. Nuemann (spelling?) last night, and we spent about
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two hours on the phone, during which time he told me things about you (the
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same things that you had already told me), and we got into a discussion about
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having virus writers in the net. I told him that, yes, there should be SOME
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screening, but that the net would be better served if they had at least SOME
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opposing information allowed access, but he disagreed. I might have been
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willing to stay in the net, had he not basically confirmed your statements
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about background checks. He said that they DO hire Private Investigators to
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look into the backgrounds of "questionable" people. At that point, I told him
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that I believed that they had overstepped the bounds of ANY network, and that
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what they are doing may indeed be illegal. I also told him that my privacy and
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integrity were MUCH more important to me than ANY net, and could no longer
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afford to be associated with their net.
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Anyway, to make a long story short, I am no longer associated with VirNet, and
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their communistic approach to what is STILL basically a hobby.
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Dave
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C.R.I.S (Computer Research & Information Service)
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