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Note: The following is a transcript of a phone conversation between
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Tom Mickus and Dr. Eric Walker which took place at approximately
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10:30am on the morning of August 11, 1989. One word of caution,
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a transcript of course is not the same as hearing it first-hand.
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Tone and emphases of speech are not reproduced here, nor are
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things such as pauses between responses recorded. Therefore
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those who read the following should be aware of such deficiencies
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before coming to any conclusions.
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<SECRETARY> "Good morning, Dr. Walker's office."
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<MICKUS> "Yes, would Dr. Walker be in?"
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<SECRETARY> "Yes he is, may I tell him who's calling?"
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<MICKUS> "Yes, this is Tom Mickus phoning, I called yesterday."
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<SECRETARY> "Tom Mickus?"
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<MICKUS> "Yes."
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<SECRETARY> "Okay, and what company are you with please?"
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<MICKUS> "Actually I'm a university student."
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<SECRETARY> "Okay, just a minute please."
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<MICKUS> "Thank you."
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(20 second pause)
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<WALKER> "Hello?"
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<MICKUS> "Hello, Mr. Walker?"
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<WALKER> "Yep."
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<MICKUS> "Yeah, my name is, allow me to introduce myself, my name is
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Tom Mickus, I'm a university student here in Toronto, at the
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University of Toronto.
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<WALKER> "Yep."
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<MICKUS> "And I'm phoning from Toronto right now. I'm also a reporter
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with a computer BBS network. And just recently, actually two
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days ago, we came into possession of a just released
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research paper. It was put out by researchers Grant Cameron
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and T. Scott Crain. You may be familiar with them? The
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subject matter is quite controversial. The report itself is
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180 pages and approximately 80 pages deal with yourself and
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some of the reputed statements that you've made, etc. And
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I'm just wondering if you'd be interested in making a comment
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about the veracity of some of those statements.
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<WALKER> "I'm not sure I know what you're talking about."
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<MICKUS> "Okay, well..."
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<WALKER> "Tell me a little bit more."
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<MICKUS> "Yeah, do you remember corresponding with someone by the
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name of William Steinman?"
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<WALKER> "No."
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<MICKUS> "...from California."
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<WALKER> "No."
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<MICKUS> "Or Scott Crain, he supposedly lives close to you there in
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Pennsylvania?"
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<WALKER> "You know, I know nothing about this. I'm... Have you got
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the right Walker, that's the problem <slight laugh>.
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<MICKUS> "Well, you're the former President of Penn State University?"
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<WALKER> "That's correct."
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<MICKUS> "Yes, and you do have a very distinguished background I might
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say, just from some of the material thats been released. So, I
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guess assuming this is the right Walker, apparently you've
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admitted to in the past when dealing with some of these
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gentlemen, if you maybe forget them (now), about attending
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Research & Development Board meetings in the early 50's,
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back when you were a dollar-a-year man. Is that substantially
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correct?
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<WALKER> "Well I, huh <slight laugh>, the early 50's you know is many
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years ago and I attended a lot of meetings. Which one was
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this supposed to be?
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<MICKUS> "I believe this was centered at the Wright-Patterson.
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Apparently it was to deal with, sensational as it is, crashed
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flying vehicles of some sort, UFOs if you want to say that.
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And, like I say, I know its many years ago, but apparently
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in a phone conversation with William Steinman, he has it down
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that you admitted attending some of those meetings. Indeed,
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it was the late Robert Sarbacher actually pointed you out as
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the person who attended all of those meetings. Now I know
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that's some 40 yrs ago now. Did you have any comment on that?
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<WALKER> "(garbled)...well I did attend a lot of meetings, but I can't
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remember any substantive conclusions or anything like that.
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<MICKUS> "Right, and as far as what was discussed there?"
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<WALKER> "As far as the what?"
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<MICKUS> "What was discussed, the topic, the subject matter of those
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meetings?"
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<WALKER> "No, I couldn't remember that at all."
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<MICKUS> "But, you're saying that it had nothing to do with UFOs or
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alien bodies, or anything like this?"
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<WALKER> "Well I don't have any alien bodies in my office, I can tell
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you that."
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<MICKUS> "Well, its quite extraordinary that this paper has come out,
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right now its in limited circulation and due to the computer
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network that I'm associated with, I've managed to obtain a
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copy. And, like I say, approximately 80 pages deals with
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material centered around yourself..."
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<WALKER> "Hmm."
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<MICKUS> "...and, I'm just interested if you'd be interested in seeing
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some of this, if I could come down and meet you for instance?
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And you could see some of this stuff first-hand, and comment
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on it."
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<WALKER> "Well, I don't think that would be very useful; you might
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want to send it to me, and I'll see if it reminds me of
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anything."
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<MICKUS> "Un huh. I guess being, ..from my own disposition here with
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the Network and stuff, I'd be interested in trying to get a
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reaction about some of this because..if these authors have
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engaged in a bit of a fantasy, well then I would like to
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expose that."
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<WALKER> "What's the Network, I don't understand."
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<MICKUS> "Its a fairly modest undertaking, but its a group of Bulletin
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Board Systems linked up here in Canada and in the United
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States, and that's something which I run, and this subject
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matter is one of the things we primarily discuss. And so,
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that's why I'd take the time to talk with you, and come visit
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you if you wouldn't mind, and get a more in-depth response.
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<WALKER> "Well, you know <slight laugh>, this sounds to me like an
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awful waste of time and...if people want to diddle around
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that way, I say let them diddle, but don't involve me."
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<MICKUS> "Right..."
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<WALKER> "I just don't have time for such crap."
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<MICKUS> "Now, just the fact that they spent so much time in this
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paper...like I say, the paper is 180 pages, the title is
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'UFOs, MJ-12 AND THE GOVERNMENT', and...I mean would you
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have any reaction as to why they would place you in that
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context?"
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<WALKER> "Well I'll tell ya, I'll get interested when I see one of
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of those little green men they talk about. Until they do,
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I just couldn't spend any time on it."
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<MICKUS> "So, therefore you deny ever having any relationship whatsoever
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in your earlier government dealings with the discussion of UFOs
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or alien bodies, anything like that, you deny that was part of
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the Research & Development Board meetings and subsequent
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activities that you may have been involved with?"
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<WALKER> "<slight laugh> You know, you're just wasting your time and
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money, and I'm sorry but I've got other things to do."
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<MICKUS> "Okay, but if I could just get an on the record comment,
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response from you on that, because I don't know, I think you
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may be hearing more about this because if this thing gets
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in wide circulation you may have other people knocking on
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your door trying to get a reaction."
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<WALKER> "I don't have any reaction, I'm sorry."
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<MICKUS> "Do you deny it?"
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<WALKER> "Thank you."
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<MICKUS> "Mr. Walker..."
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<click>
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