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HANGER18.THD
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Summary: this file is a thread from the Fido computer network UFO
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Echo, early 1989, about Hanger 18 at Wright Patterson Air Force Base.
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It has long been rumored that a UFO was stored there at some time.
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This file consists of messages, edited for relevance, that say that
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the UFO is no longer there, if it ever was.
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There is also a description of another wreck that was brought in
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to the Great Lakes Naval Base. Also, another one collected by the
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Army and stored temporarily in a firehouse.
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File length just over four typed pages.
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An additional source for this subject is "The Roswell Incident"
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by Bill Moore and Charles Berlitz.
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From: John Frey To: Steven Northover 15-Jan-89
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I know that Aquarius exists. A close relative of mine was
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stationed at Great Lakes Naval Base when they brought in under VERY
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HEAVY security a crashed UFO that was supposedly shot down by a
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aircraft carrier back in the early '50s.
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Also I have another relative that worked at Wright Patterson who
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said "I've seen some strange business that I can't talk about", when
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I asked about the rumors the UFO's stored there.
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* Origin: Astral Board (1:129/39.0) 1(412)8246566
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====
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From: John Frey To:Kevin Colquitt 29-Jan-89
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My aunt used to work at Wright-Pat. but they live far away in
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Indiana now so I don't get to talk to her as much as I would like.
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Anyway she heard many stories about strange experiments being carried
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out by scientists there.
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* Origin: Astral Board * Home of UFO echo * (1:129/39.0)
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====
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From: John Frey To: Joe Holland 22-Jan-89
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Well,I don't know any major details about it other than what I
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told except that it was structually damaged badly and they picked up
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alot of wreckage. I don't know why they shot it or if there were any
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bodies but I do know that my relative was asigned to moving some of
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the material into a building late at night under TIGHT security. They
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made him go through a metal detector before he left.
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* Origin: Astral Board * Home of UFO echo * (1:129/39.0)
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From: Dick Copits To: John Frey 20-Jan-89
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I lived in Dayton and worked at Wright-Pat in fairborn for years
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and although there were lots of rumors about UFO's, no one ever saw
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anything dealing with them. I have been in EVERY building and hangar
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on that base, and believe me, there ain't no such animal. You now
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have an authoratative source that says - wherever they is, they
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ain't at Wright-Pat.!!!
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* Origin: (c)1988 Rogers & Blake (508)373-2204 (1:324/120)
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====
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From: John Frey To:Dick Copits 23-Jan-89
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Hangar 18 exists! Notice I did not say there was a UFO in it. It
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would be stupid to keep it in the same place long.
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A UFO that crashed in PA was taken by a lot of people from the
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Army back in the 50's. It was in the newspaper and a local reporter
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researched it and found that it was taken by a Cleveland, OH group.
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The TV reporter was unable to find any members of the group (since it
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broke up in the late '50s) but did find a eyewitness of the recovery
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operation that was a volunteer fireman. All the wreckage was hauled
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from the crash site to the firehouse and later moved out with the
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army. The reporter is very credible and so is the eyewitness.
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* Origin: Astral Board * Home of UFO echo * (1:129/39.0)
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From Joe Holland to Dick Copits 1/25/89
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On what date did you first get into Hanger 18? Recently, or some
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long time ago? Here below, for comparison, are three messages sent in
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to Paranet Alpha AZ last April. After posting these, George Ray never
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came on again with the follow up he was expecting to get.
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Also, I have documentation that Senator Goldwater was denied
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access to Hanger 18. (This item is corrected further on in this
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file). And you got in easily, with no instructions about secrecy?
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Paranet messages:
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Msg: #7816 01-APR-88 From: George Ray To: Jim Delton
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Jim why dont you go to Wright-Pat. AFB in ILL. (see later
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correction) and see if you can get inside of the large black hanger
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at the back of the base, after you have seen the inside of it then
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come tell me the A.F. doesn't believe in UFOs.
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Msg: #7837 01-APR-88 From: George Ray To: Nick Ianuzzi
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The entire time that I was in the Air Force (over 12 years) I
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only knew one person who had actually been inside that structure.
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That was because he worked there. It seems that the government did
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not like the job that the Security Police (AF COPS) were doing so the
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control of this hanger and surrounding buildings was placed into the
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hands of the N.S.A. and the Federal Police Agency (supposedly a
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branch of the U.S. Marshall's Office, Under the Dept. of Justice).
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Anyway prior to the security exchange this person had to do an
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inventory. He said that the items that were in those buildings
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could not be beleived. He told me some of what he had seen but the
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time I just blew it off. This was almost ten years ago, I will try
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to get hold of him this weekend to see if he will restate for me
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just what he saw and I will give you a full report when I get it
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onto a disk and upload it. Hopefully that should be done by Wed at
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the outside.
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Msg: #7839 01-APR-88 From: George Ray To: Jim Delton
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Jim, I left an earlier message in regards to this. But I can tell
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you this while stationed at an Alert Site in Alaska, we scrambled
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more than once on objects that were not aircraft, the pilots would
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not tell us what they saw, yet after every time this happened all
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aircrews involved were immediately rotated back to the home station.
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Even when they would wind up back out there with us they would not
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tell us what they had seen. I know that this happened four times
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while I was stationed there and I could not tell you how many times
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total that it has happened. I just have to accept that they saw
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something that was not of standard aircraft design and until they are
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allowed to come forward with eye-witness reports, it will continue
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to be a rumor generating mill.
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(End Paranet messages of April 1, 1988. Fido thread resumes here)
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From: Dick Copits To: Joe Holland 30-Jan-89
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Joe - First, and I think symptomatic of the messages - Wright
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Patterson AFB is NOT in Ill!!! It's in Fairborne Ohio, a short
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distance from Dayton. It's also the home of the Air Force Logistics
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Center, a SAC refueling wing and the home of the analysis section for
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spacecraft observation photos.
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Hangar 18 is very visible from Harshman road, generally has (and
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always had) the doors open so that you can see in it with a good pair
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of binoculars, and is painted (at least since 1946) grey! When you go
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to the Air Force Museum, look past the xb-70 and there it is. No
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guards, No searchlights, No barbed wire, and in fact if you come in
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from the third street gate you can almost drive right up to it. Joe -
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this is a MYSTIQUE that has been propagated by people such as your
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friend who maybe even visited WP (even though it's never been in
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Ill...).
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In fact, take a weekend and fly into Dayton and drive over there
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and see for yourself. It's an open base, and unless you screw around
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the SAC planes you can pretty much move around and take pictures at
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will. How long ago am I talking about? Last year. When was I there?
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During the 60-70 era. My brother is still working there, has for the
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last 29 years, and knows everyone who is anyone on the base. Believe
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me, there's no UFO there, no parts there, and nothing else. Comments?
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* Origin: (c)1988 Rogers & Blake (508)373-2204 (1:324/120)
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From: Dick Copits To: Joe Holland 30-Jan-89
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Joe - why do you think those messages have the dates they do?
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April 1 !!!
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* Origin: (c)1988 Rogers & Blake (508)373-2204 (1:324/120)
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From Joe Holland to Dick Copits 2/3/89
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Now, if we can take this apart somewhat, maybe we can study the
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anatomy of a myth, or else find out why this information is
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contradictory. Well, OK, I am accepting your description that hanger
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18 is accessible.
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>How long ago am I talking about? Last year. When was I there?
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During the 60-70 era. My brother is still working there, has for the
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last 29 years<
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The remaining question then would be the dates. Its a long time,
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42 years, back to 1947 when the UFO crashed in New Mexico. There
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might also be a question about which building it is.
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The Goldwater letter, which I will post separately, is dated
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1979, and refers to an earlier time. Someone should find out from
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him, how much earlier. But what I missed before is that the letter
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does not say hanger 18, but rather "a facility at Wright Patterson".
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This letter appears on page 41 of the Nov 88 issue of UFO Universe.
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But an introduction on page 3 has already assumed that this is
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Hanger 18. Also in this introduction, Senator Goldwater is quoted in
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another quotation, but this again does not say Hanger 18, but "in the
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building where the information is stored". Note the word is not "the
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UFO" but "the information". The magazine appears not to have strictly
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conformed in the text, to the evidence that it presented.
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The April 1 letter from George Ray refers to a time "almost ten
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years" earlier. This is in conflict with what I assume you said in
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your message, quoted above, about 29 years. Since you are on the
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scene, I give my credence to you. George Ray was quoting second
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hand, and might have never been to Wright-Patterson, or so it might
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seem from having gotten the location wrong.
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I noticed the April 1st date, and regarded it with suspicion,
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when I first re-ran the message into Paranet last year. But I missed
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the wrong location of Wright-Patterson, so I'm glad I chose to
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repeat all three messages this time, instead of just one.
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*Source: Third World, Chatsworth CA 1(818)7009591
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From Joe Holland to All 2/3/89
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Here is one of the letters from Senator Barry Goldwater about
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Wright-Patterson:
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United States Senate
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Commitee on Commerce, Science,
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and Transportation
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Washington DC 20510
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April 11, 1979
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Mr. Lee M Graham
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526 West Maple
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Monrovia, California 91016
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Dear Mr. Graham:
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It is true I was denied access to a faclity at
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Wright-Patterson. Because I never got in, I can't
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tell you what was inside. We both know about the
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rumors.
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Apart from that, let me make my position clear: I
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do not beleive that we are the only planet, and of
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some two billion that exist, that has life on it. I
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have never seen what I would call a UFO, but I have
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intelligent friends who have, so I can sort of argue
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either way.
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Sincerely,
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(Signature)
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Barry Goldwater.
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Source: UFO Universe (magazine) Nov 88 page 41
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See also page 3.
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351 W. 54th ST. NY, NY 10012.
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From Joe Holland to Dick Copits 2/3/89
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Wright Patterson is plainly marked on my AAA Road Atlas as on
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the east side of Dayton, Ohio. Everything should be so easy to
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check! I had meant to look it up, but it never occured to me someone
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would miss on a thing like that. Well, I'm the one who goes around
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reminding people that things may be easier to check than you think,
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and trying to get people to do it.
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If that story is true about the crashed disk, then the disk went
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somewhere. Why they would move it a long distance would be a
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question, although there could be a number of reasons. If the
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expertise for rebuilding craft existed back then at Wright-Patterson,
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as it does now, then that's a possible answer. Also, you say they
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look at the space photos there.
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However, it would have soon become evident, from your
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description, that Wright-Patterson was not a highest security area,
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so it would have been reasonable to move it.
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File prepared by Joe Holland, 2/23/89.
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