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Note the following thread resulted from a statement in a file in DL10 of
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ISSUES Forum entitled "LEAR.TXT." The statement reads as follows:
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"Note: Cows and Humans are genetically similar. In the event of a national
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disaster, cow's blood can be used by humans."
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The thread ensued. It should be noted that the thread crosses two Sigs.
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The first SIg is on the ISSUES Forum (Paranormal Subtopic) while other parts
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were obtained through the GOODHEALTH Forum. I will try to make notations
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when change from one Forum to another.
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Try to keep an open mind.
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*%*% ISSUES *%*%
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#: 132944 S10/Paranormal Issues
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28-Jan-88 22:35:50
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Sb: #132941-UFO PHENOMENA
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Fm: John LEar 71251,642
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To: Ted Markley <s10> 76067,3777 (X)
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Regarding the cows blood that statement came from 2 university studies. I
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will get you the names by tomorrow. I questioned that statement myself as a
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doctor I know said that what they probably meant was that a fraction of the
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blood could be used. But on further checking I found out that it can be
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used whole. I have the names somewhere so let me work on it. Talk to you
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later.
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*** Reading Replies to 132941
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#: 133012 S10/Paranormal Issues
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29-Jan-88 18:10:21
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Sb: Cows Blood
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Fm: John LEar 71251,642
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To: Ted Markley
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Ted- in 1986 it was reported by Texas Tech University that cow blood can be
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used in an emergency blood transfusion with humans because the hemoglobin so
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closely matches human blood. In February of 1984 Dr. James Womack of Texas
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A&M University stated that big chunks of cattle chromosomes are identical to
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large sections of human chromosomes, meaning that cow genes and human genes
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fall in the same exact sequence on some chromosomes. Regards, John
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*%*%We now switch over to the GOODHEATH Sig *%*%
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#: 55150 S4/Health Questions
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27-Jan-88 20:51:13
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Sb: #A strange question
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Fm: Ted 76067,3777
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To: All
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I have a question and I know there will be a lot of people out there who will
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chuckle. I did at first and then thought "Well, I have been surprised by a
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lot stranger statements that this." Well here goes... <Pausing to get up the
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nerve>. I read on another Sig Bulletin board that "in the event of a natural
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national disaster cow's blood could be used in some cases as a substitute for
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human blood..." There I said it! I don't believe it but I thought I best
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check it out with a professional MD before exposing the quack. Can any of
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you professionals give me a statement I can quote on line?
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Thanks.
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Ted
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1 Reply
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#: 55174 S4/Health Questions
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28-Jan-88 09:57:48
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Sb: #55150-#A strange question
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Fm: June Brazil (Asst Sysop) 70007,3217
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To: Ted 76067,3777 (X)
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Ted,
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Welcome to the Health Forum!
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Believe me I have heard stranger questions. I don't think there is any
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compatablility between cow blood and human blood....in short if you gave a
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person some cow's blood they would probably go into irreversible shock and
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die. I don't even think cows have the same blood type as people.
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So tell us, where did you hear this amazing tale?
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June
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#: 55228 S1/General Discussion
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28-Jan-88 18:18:06
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Sb: #A strange question
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Fm: Ted 76067,3777
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To: June Brazil (Asst Sysop) 70007,3217 (X)
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I am doing some research to refute an article in the DL10 library of the
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ISSUES sig. The file is Lear.txt and is making some pretty wild claims about
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UFO's and some of the recent cattle mutilations. Your comments will be of
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help. Why don't you drop by (The Lear is a alleged member of the Lear of
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Lear Jet fame.)
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*%*% And back to the ISSUES (sub PARANORMAL section) *%*%
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#: 133135 S10/Paranormal Issues
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31-Jan-88 09:59:01
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Sb: #133012-Cows Blood
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Fm: Ted Markley <s10> 76067,3777
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To: John LEar 71251,642
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John...
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I droped over to the HEALTH Sig and asked if any of the MD's there
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had ever learned that "cows blood could be used in an emergency."
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I got only one reply and they said that they expected that if cows
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blood were introducted into a human that it would cause the recipient
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to go into shock and die. I suppose that if these finding are as new as you
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claim (1986) that with the rapid pace of new medical paper publishing
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this individula has no yet gotten the word. Do you perhaps have the name
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of the paper and the person publishing it (and the DATE) from
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Teax Tech U. (what city is Texas Tech located in)?
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This would enable me to give them a call and get a copy of the paper.
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I an afraid that Dr Womack's Feb 84 paper a Texas AM won't do. Just because
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"big chunks of cattle chromosomes are identical to large
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sections of human chromosomes"doesn't mean that they are
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compatible.
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Regards, Ted
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#: 133152 S10/Paranormal Issues
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31-Jan-88 13:09:25
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Sb: #133135-Cows Blood
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Fm: Alex Krislov 76703,243
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To: Ted Markley <s10> 76067,3777
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Actually, our DNA differs no more than 2% from that of some apes.
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#: 133153 S10/Paranormal Issues
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31-Jan-88 14:07:38
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Sb: #133135-Cows Blood
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Fm: John LEar 71251,642
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To: Ted Markley <s10> 76067,3777
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Sorry, Dr. Womacks statement was in the paragraph discussing the whole
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connection of the mutilations with the Dulce facility etc. etc. Will work on
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getting you the info on Texas Tech on monday. The doctors I talked to were as
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uninformed as the ones you talked to vis a vis to cows blood, so don't feel
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lonely. Talk to you later.
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*%*% Now back to the GOODHEALTH Sig *%*%
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#: 55675 S1/General Discussion
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02-Feb-88 21:24:58
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Sb: #55579-#A strange question
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Fm: Ted 76067,3777
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To: Dana Schmidt [Staff] 70137,452 (X)
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Too bad Dana, they were both very good sessions.
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The reason for all of these questions about cow blood is that I am currently
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acting as a Temporary SysOp for the Paranormal section of the ISSUES forum.
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In that forum we have had an individual whom put forth a hypothesis regarding
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the whole abduction senario. (You can find it by downloading LEAR.TXT from
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DL 10 of that Sig) I am going to now list a portion of the latest messsage
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from that board. are you ready for this??? Here goes:
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"Ted, in order to clarify the cow blood statement: It is the hemoglobin from the
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cows that can be used by humans. The cows hemoglobin is extracted from the
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red blood cells, purified, stabilized, mixed in a saline solution and then
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used by humans. The advantage in using cows is that they are so plentiful,
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and each cow supplies between 20 and 30 liters of blood. Hemoglobin can be
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used from some mammals but not all mammals. The hemoglobin of primates can
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be used just as well as cows', its just more expensive to process. The
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purity of the hemoglobin is what affects the chance of cloting, heart attacks
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and embolisms. The purer the hemoglobin the less chance of these. Although some of us less
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medically informed (me) use blood and hemoglobin interchangeably this is not
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correct. I will be changing the word blood to read hemoglobin on my
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hypohtesis. This research was done by Dr. Mario Fiola at the Texas Tech
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University in Lubbock, Texas. Talk to you Later. Regards, John."
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Well that was it. Can you comment?
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Regards, Ted
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#: 55680 S1/General Discussion
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02-Feb-88 22:10:37
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Sb: #55675-A strange question
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Fm: June Brazil (Asst Sysop) 70007,3217
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To: Ted 76067,3777
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Ted,
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It seems to me that in the process of purifying the hemoglobin the structure
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would be undone and make it of little use. Hemoglobin works because it is a
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functional part of the red blood cells.....people are given red blood cell
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fractions not hemoglobin fractions. Has this Fiola`s work been published
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anywhere? I kind of doubt it.
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June
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*** Reading Replies to 55758
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*%*% Back again to the ISSUES (sub PARANORMAL section)
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#: 133280 S10/Paranormal Issues
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02-Feb-88 17:33:07
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Sb: #Cows blood
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Fm: John LEar 71251,642
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To: Ted Markley
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Ted, in order to clarify the cow blood statement: It is the hemoglobin from the
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cows that can be used by humans. The cows hemoglobin is extracted from the red
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blood cells, purified, stabilized, mixed in a saline solution and then used by
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humans. The advantage in using cows is that they are so plentiful, and each cow
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supplies between 20 and 30 liters of blood. Hemoglobin can be used from some
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mammals but not all mammals. The hemoglobin of primates can be used just as
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well as cows', its just more expensive to process. The purity of the
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hemoglobin is what affects the chance of cloting, heart attacks and embolisms.
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The purer the hemoglobin the less chance of these. Although some of us less
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medically informed (me) use blood and hemoglobin interchangeably this is not
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correct. I will be changing the word blood to read hemoglobin on my
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hypohtesis. This research was done by Dr. Mario Fiola at the Texas Tech
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University in Lubbock, Texas. Talk to you Later. Regards, John.
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*** There is a reply: 133292
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#: 133292 S10/Paranormal Issues
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02-Feb-88 20:23:55
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Sb: #133280-Cows blood
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Fm: Ted Markley 76067,3777
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To: John LEar 71251,642
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Thanks John, I will see what I can do to get more info on the
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subject. Hang in there. It's tough going up against the
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experienced UFOlogist. They get so many crack pot claims that
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turn out to be hoaxes and dillusions that they become almost
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as skeptical as the Phil Klasses of the world (yet I hope just
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a bit more open minded.) When someone stands up to put forth
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a hypothosis such as your with such dramatic claims one is bound
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to draw fire. They best defense is to have solid facts or at least
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a good defensible position. Lets get some others to check out
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your ideas and see if it can easily be refuted. (Don't give up!)
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Regards, Ted
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*** Reading Replies to 133280
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*%*% And finally to the GOODHEALTH Sig *%*%
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#: 55750 S1/General Discussion
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03-Feb-88 18:02:28
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Sb: #55680-A strange question
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Fm: Ted 76067,3777
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To: June Brazil (Asst Sysop) 70007,3217
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I am going to call the university and check on the works of Fiola. Thanks.
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Ted
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*** Reading Replies to 55680
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#: 55758 S1/General Discussion
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03-Feb-88 19:09:38
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Sb: #55675-A strange question
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Fm: Steven Dubin,VMD [Staff] 76074,55
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To: Ted 76067,3777
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I think it is wrong to leave any scintilla of the impression that cattle
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hemoglobin can be used within the circulation of humans. Indeed, even human
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hemoglobin, when liberated from the red blood cells by hemolysis is a very
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dangerous material. A much-feared outcome of transfusions and extracorporeal
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circulation - even with the patient's own blood - is hemolysis leading to
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liberation of hemoglobin into the plasma leading to renal shutdown leading to
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death. There are some highly experimental studies relating to "packaging"
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hemoglobin in synthetic membranes, but these are far from being clinically
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acceptable.
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#: 55842 S1/General Discussion
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04-Feb-88 18:37:13
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Sb: #55758-A strange question
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Fm: Ted 76067,3777
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To: Steven Dubin,VMD [Staff] 76074,55
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Thanks for clarifying a very confusing subject. Ted
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*%*% If I find out anything after contacting Fiola I will add it at that
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time.
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