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SUBJECT: MORE ON THE "ICE & STS" STORY FILE: UFO1538
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BBS: Flite-Line
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Date: 06-10-92 (22:40) Number: 3964
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From: DON ALLEN Refer#: NONE
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To: ALL Recvd: YES
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Subj: STS-UFO - Hard Copy Conf: (46) UFO Networ
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** Forwarded from Usenet **
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[ This probably should be sub-titled "The Clueless Skeptic" ...it's
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pretty apparent that Sheaffer did NOT see the segment. A number of people
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in alt.alien.visitors have taken him to task, me included. - DonA ]
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Article 5415 of alt.alien.visitors:
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
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Path: bilver!tous!tarpit!fang!att!att!linac!
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pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!
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mips!decwrl!csus.edu!netcomsv!mork!sheaffer
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From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
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Subject: Re: UFO video from NASA - The CAMERA was moving!
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Message-ID: <q#=lmw.sheaffer@netcom.com>
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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 92 21:17:02 GMT
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Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services guest)
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References: <nreads01.707781749@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
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Keywords: UFO
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In article <nreads01.707781749@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
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nreads01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Nick Eads) writes:
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>Did anyone catch today's Hard Copy (6/5)? (Of course, I hate to admit that
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I
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>saw it myself -- it was an accident.) They showed what I feel is some of
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the
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>most impressive evidence of the existence of extraterrestrial activity. The
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>video was shot by one of the astronauts on a recent (the most recent?)
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>shuttle mission. I will describe the video as it was shown...
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>Looking toward the surface of the earth, and just below the horizon, a
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>small light moved slowly (relatively, of course) from the right to the
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left.
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>Then suddenly, and without *apparent* cause, the thing immediately executes
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>a 90 degree turn and accelerates rapidly off across the horizon and into
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>space. Meanwhile, at roughly the same location where the thing was at the
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>moment before turning, another something shoots rapidly *up* from earth and
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>into space. According to the UFO investigator (pardon me, but I forget
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>his name, but he is on the UFO magazine staff), somebody "shot" something
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>at it, and the thing anticipated the shot and evaded.
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>
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>Official explanation from NASA was "it was ice" left by the shuttle. ICE?
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>That's a heck of a change in attitude and speed for a piece of orbiting
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>ice. Of course, one can't be sure of the distance from the shuttle, which
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>would be a vital piece of info. I'm usually not impressed by UFO reports,
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>but this was something to see. Anyone else catch it?
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I spoke to James Oberg about this. He didn't know it had been on "Hard
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Copy", but he's quite familiar with the video. Apparently it's something
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that some UFO enthusiast taped off the "NASA Select" cable channel late
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one night, got excited, and flew off the handle. The far-out fringe of
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UFOlogy has been promoting it ever since.
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Yes, it IS a piece of ice, floating in the payload bay of the shuttle
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Discovery. It's illuminated by the lights in the payload bay. But what
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your Trash TV program surely did not tell you is: what you saw was motion
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of the CAMERA, not motion of the object. You see, NASA mission controllers
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leave the camera on during the "night", while the crew is asleep. The
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camera is then controlled from the ground, with a little joystick-type
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arrangement. If the mission controllers want to look over here, or
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over there, they just flip the lever, and the camera moves. And if
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some brain-dead UFOlogist just happens to be watching as the camera
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is turned away from a piece of ice, he says "Wow! Look at that baby
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accelerate!!!!!!"
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--
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Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
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Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when
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authorized!
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"Every psychic investigator of [the medium] Mrs. Piper was impressed
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by her simplicity and honesty. It never occurred to them that no
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charlatan ever achieves greatness by acting like a charlatan. No
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professional spy acts like a spy. No card cheat behaves at the
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table like a card cheat."
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- Martin Gardner (writing in "Free Inquiry",
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Spring, 1992)
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** End of Article **
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Dona @bilver.uucp
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--- RemoteAccess 0.03+
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BBS: Flite-Line
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Date: 06-12-92 (00:57) Number: 4041
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From: DON ALLEN Refer#: NONE
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To: JOHN HICKS Recvd: YES
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Subj: STS-UFO - Hard Copy Conf: (46) UFO Networ
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JH> > [ This probably should be sub-titled "The Clueless Skeptic" ...it's
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JH> > pretty apparent that Sheaffer did NOT see the segment.
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JH>
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JH> Yeah, Sheaffer's obviously talking about something else.
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Well, hold on to your hats, this thread is getting interesting..
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I got this off The Net just tonight:
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** Forwarded from Usenet **
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This is from a current thread on Usenet re: STS-UFO video that Don Ecker
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showed recently on "Hard Copy" . This suggests a different perspective
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than what "net.skeptic" Robert Sheaffer has echoed in NASA's "It was ice and
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thrusters..but no UFO's" postings on alt.alien.visitors.
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Robert was quoted recently as saying:
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-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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***** Begin Quote *****
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I spoke to James Oberg about this. He didn't know it had been on "Hard
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Copy", but he's quite familiar with the video. Apparently it's something
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that some UFO enthusiast taped off the "NASA Select" cable channel late
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one night, got excited, and flew off the handle. The far-out fringe of
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UFOlogy has been promoting it ever since.
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Yes, it IS a piece of ice, floating in the payload bay of the shuttle
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Discovery. It's illuminated by the lights in the payload bay. But what
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your Trash TV program surely did not tell you is: what you saw was motion
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of the CAMERA, not motion of the object. You see, NASA mission controllers
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leave the camera on during the "night", while the crew is asleep. The
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camera is then controlled from the ground, with a little joystick-type
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arrangement. If the mission controllers want to look over here, or
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over there, they just flip the lever, and the camera moves. And if
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some brain-dead UFOlogist just happens to be watching as the camera
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is turned away from a piece of ice, he says "Wow! Look at that baby
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accelerate!!!!!!"
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***** End Quote ******
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Article 5460 of alt.alien.visitors:
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Path: bilver!tous!peora!masscomp!usenet.coe.montana.edu!
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rpi!usc!sdd.hp.com!mips!darwin.sura.net!dtix!oasys!283s
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From: 283s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Marcy Weibe)
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
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Subject: Re: UFO video from NASA - The CAMERA was moving!
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Message-ID: <20872@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
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Date: 10 Jun 92 14:00:41 GMT
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References: <1992Jun9.163756.5076@iscsvax.uni.edu>
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<1992Jun10.123920.13222@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>
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Reply-To: 283s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Marcy Weibe)
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Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD
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First, I am using my wife's account. Second, I am very familiar with
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this footage (just by the description) because I was one of the researchers
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who pulled the original tapes. The trush is that the objects (not object)
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were being referenced against an Earth background. The atmosphere is
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also visible as a thin band along the edge of the Earth background.
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This gives us the camera reference we are looking for. The camera
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did not move. A rotation of the Earth versus the Orbiter reference
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shows the camera very steady.
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Next, we have the objects in question, and there are a couple of "hat"
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shaped objects which are present at the same distance on different days.
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However, these do not make abrupt turns or accelerate. They are very
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stationary with respect to the background and surrounding smaller particles.
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The objects being mentioned that are seemingly changing velocity and
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direction, are very hard to get a size fix on. The stationary and slightly
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wobbling hat types are also hard to judge size but they have a definite
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observable shape to them; tophat if you will.
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I am aware of Mr. Oberg's knowledge of this and the original ufologist
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who brought these to our attention. A very talented collegue of mine
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and myself proceeded to do an extensive study of these and remained
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collective throughout the study. It then so happened that the astronauts
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were attending a dinner locally to be congratulated on their successful
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misison. Digital zooming providing by me on all subject objects, with
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color removed for clarity, and a tape of this was hand delivered to
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one of the crew at this dinner. A thorough study was promised. By
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this time, Mr. Oberg was in full defense. A somewhat cocky attitude
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was observed in his correspondence. This was long before any rational
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study was concluded.
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My experiences with UFO's and video go deep into the Gulf Breeze sightings
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case and beyond. I know a tru-f-o when I see one. The astronauts efforts,
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BBS: Flite-Line
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Date: 06-14-92 (12:55) Number: 4187
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From: DON ECKER Refer#: NONE
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To: JOHN HICKS Recvd: YES
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Subj: Nasa Videotape Conf: (46) UFO Networ
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John Hicks wrote:
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> Many of you presumably saw Don Ecker on Hard Copy the other night, and
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> the video tape from Discovery.
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> The tape shows a about a quarter-Earth, with a small white object
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> slowly moving along in the mid-upper right. The object appears to
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> suddenly make a 90-degree turn and accelerate. What looks like a faint
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> blob of material appears to shoot from the lower left toward the spot
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> where the object initiated its turn.
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> Don asserted that the object was a ufo of some sort, and something
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> fired a "shot" at it, which it dodged. However.......
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Actually John, what I said was that IMHO it could not have been "ice", and
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as far as it being a UFO, I mean in the truest sense of the word,
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"Unidentified, Flying, and an Object". I SPECULATED a "shot", and the 140
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degree turn was somewhat dramatic. I just received a 1st generation copy of
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the tape and will have analysis done on it. I also have the official NASA
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"explanation" of these events and more will be heard on this very soon.
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> a) What specifically were the astronauts supposedly taping?
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> b) Did a manuevering jet that would have been visible fire at the
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> corresponding time with what we saw on the tape? (hint....the original
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> tape would almost certainly have been time-coded, and of course NASA
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> would know exactly what time a jet was fired.) If the times
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> coincide, then we're forced to accept that explanation pending
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> further information.
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This was just prior to the "water dump" which did have shuttle manuvers
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connected with the "dump". In the dump, the camera, shuttle and everything
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else did move. With event # 2, (object, "shot" etc.) nothing else had
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movement. Stay tuned.
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Don Ecker
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UFO Magazine
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PO Bx 1053
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Sunland, CA 91041
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