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SUBJECT: COMPUSERVE CON WITH GEORGE & SHIRLEY COYNE FILE: UFO1414
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*********** The Issues Forum 12/10/89 19:58:55
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Ted | Tonight we are fortunate to have as our special guests...
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| Shirley and George Coyne (with Bert acting as a local host.)...
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| The Coyne's are not new to our forum as about a year ago they...
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| were guest in a similar Sunday night session....
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| For those of you who were not there the transcript is in LIB 10
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| under COYNE.CO. Shirley is an Abductee and was mentioned in...
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| "Intruders". Tonights CO will be formal and I will...
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| start out with a brief on-line interview...
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| Shirley, at our last CO you were plagued with survailence by...
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| "Black Helicopters" is that still going on? ga
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SHIRLEY | ok...
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| Funny you should mention that. At about 5:00 pm tonight...
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| a black helicopter flew slowly over our trailer....
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| It is interesting that George had told several people on
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| the
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| phone that Bert was going to be here around that time.
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| However, Bert
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| did not arrive until 5:30. So he did not see it. George did get
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| some photographs of it. Hope they come out. It was low
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| enough to see
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| the special insignia that we now recognize. Also a few
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| months ago...
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| we were working with some abductees who were scheduled to be...
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| at our place at 7:00 pm. The copter showed up at 6:45 and
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| hovered for 45 min. The people had had a previous experience with the
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| copter and turned and ran when they got here and saw it. GA
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Ted | Ok...
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| What do you think the significance is of the helicopters? Has...
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| you opinion changed since our last CO? ga
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SHIRLEY
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| We still think it's the NSA as determined by their telling...
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| Senator Reigle to "bow out". GA
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Ted | Please explain. ga
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George | ok...
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| We had written to Reigle and he wrote letters to CIA, NSA and
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| FBI...
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| trying to get them to cease harrassing us. FBI told Reigl that...
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| they were not interested in George and Shirley Coyne as ...
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| investigative subjects. And the NSA said that they were...
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| not interested in George Coyne as a subject. And the next day...
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| Sen. Reigle closed the case. GA
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Ted | Ok...
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| Any new sightings/experiences since our last CO? ga
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Shirley | We have not had any. But there have been a number of new
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| abuductees....
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| found who are waiting for help (regression). GA
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Ted | Ok...
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| What is your advice to others who might find...
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| themselves victims of the abduction phenomenon? ga
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Shirley | ok...
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| First we reassure them that we don't feel that any
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| intentional...
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| harm has been exhibited, in order to set their minds at ease.
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| ...
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| If they are not having any problems coping, we advise them to
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| ...
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| leave it alone. Because once they embark there is no turning
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| back. GA
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Ted | Ok....
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| I will now open the floor to general questions GA People!
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Bill | ?
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Ted | Ga Bill
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Bill | Shirley, I hope I'm not wasting the group time by asking for
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| conjecture...
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Bill | but...It has become quite apparent to me over the years...
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| that intelligent interests in our government work very hard...
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| to go WAY out of their way to make it bizarrely obvious to
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| people...
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| that they are under sr
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| surveillance. Would you care to offer...
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| a guess as to why?? What is their goal in this? And why do
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| you think...
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| your problems are NSA?? If the CIA didn't respond negatively
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| to Reigle, maybe it's them.
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| ..
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| Besides, they are more often involved in the...less passive
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| aspects of intelligence/ GA
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Ted | GA Shirley
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Shirley | ok...
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| perhaps they are afraid we are being given secrets...
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| that might get in the wrong hands. We think it was NSA
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| because...
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| Reigle closed the case the day after he heard from NSA. He was
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| probably...
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| told to drop it. This was before he heard from CIA. Again the
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| CIS said...
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| they were not interested in this. GA
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Terry | ?
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Ted | I am sure
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| you ment CIA not CIS....
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| GA Terry
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Terry | Shirley, can you describe thew chopper's insignia?
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| ga
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Shirley | ok...
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Ted | GA Shirley
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Shirley | It's an approximately two foot white circle...
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| with a small black circle in the middle of it. GA
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| Also...
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Terry | On a black chopper?
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Shirley | the chopper is black with black windows, no numbers...
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Ted | Does that strike a familiar note Terry? ga
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Terry | No....do you measn a white disk with a black circle on it...
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Shirley | no letters....insignia is on left side partially on door and
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| "nose" .ga
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Terry | or a black circle withina white circle?
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Shirley | ok...
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| It's a black solid circle within a larger white circle. GA
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Terry | Thanks,. ga
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julie | /
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| ?
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Ted | Have you had a personal encounter or abdcuvtion since...
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| our last CO? ga
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Shirley | No we have not. ga
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| Our last abduction...
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Ted | Ok, Julie is next
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Shirley | was August of 83. ga
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julie | What do you think the purpose of the copter is--just letting
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| you know they're watching?
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Shirley | ok...
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| we think they are trying to scare us out of the field...
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| because we do so much public speaking on radio, TV,
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| newspapers...
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| private groups, etc. ga
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julie | are you being scared at all?
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Jack | ?
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Terry | ?
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Shirley | We are more scared of the government than the "aliens". ga
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Ted | Jack is next
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Jack | Ok...
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| After reading several of the "abduction books" out on the
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| market...
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| it seems that a common thread is the continuing (and previous
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| from childhood)..
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| activity or interest by the abductors. Is this the case with
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| most...
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| abductees (including yourselves) ? ga
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Shirley | Yes...
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| GA
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Terry | ?
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Ted | Terry GA
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Terry | If the chopper photos come out...
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| will copies be available? ga
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Shirley | Sure...
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| we also have a video from a previous encounter....
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| this on occured during a Michigan MUFON meeting with 54
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| attendees. ...
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| We watched the video a number times that day during meeting. GA
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Terry | How can I get a copy? ga
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Shirley | I'll see if I can have a copy made. Will try to get it to you
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| through...
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| Bert. ga
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Terry | Thanks. ga
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Ted | Shirley, Jack talked about the "common threads" from
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| childhood...
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| can you tel us about your early childhood expereinces? ga
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Shirley | ok...
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| In my first experience I was 9 years old. I was taken from my
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| bedroom...
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Bill | ?
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Shirley | after my mother shot at them a rifle. I was taken aboard the
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| craft...
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| put through a painful examination. I encountered on
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| particular...
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| entity that I know as Ooulaad. I have encountered the same
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| "individual"...
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| on a number of occassions since that particular abduction. Not
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| all...
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| of my experiences have been painful, and they have not all
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| been...
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| bad. The experience in 1983 was a healing experience. After
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| that...
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| experience I was cured of a life long bout with Lupus and
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| Addisons Disease. ga
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Ted | Ok, Bill is next ga
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Bill | Shirley, I'm undergoing hypnosis with David Jacobs..,.
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| and I've recalled a number of abductions so far...
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| I feel emotionally calm, but I am not ready to accept...
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| the regression "memories" an anything other than fantasy yet.
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| How do you...
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| distinguish the two and how long did it take you/or does it
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| take...
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| most folks without a conscious contact experience, to accept
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| the "memories"
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| as reality? I have a second ? too, if there's no line. GA
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Shirley | ok...
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| first outside of Budd Hopkins, you probably could not do better
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| than...
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| David Jacobs. He is one of the best....
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| David should be able to make a reasonable judgement as to
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| what...
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| is fact or fantasy. It is very common...
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| to feel that it's fantasy during the first few sessions....
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| it's also harder for men to accept the experience than women....
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| because men are brought up to feel more in control. ga
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Terry | ?
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Bill | GA Terry
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Ted | Ok, Bill any follow up? ga
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Terry | Shirley, did any of your experiences o cur...
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| near St. Augustine, Fla? ga
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Shirley | One of my encounters when I...
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| was 17 was in Orlando, Florida. I think Bill had a followup
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| question. ga
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Bill | OK< sorry Terry...
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| Ted wanted me to ask about a thing I had on my finger...
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| It is a conscious memory, vivid. I came home as a kid &
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| walked...
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| in the house and there was this thing attached to my finger...
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| It was opaque, and yet you could not see the bottom...
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| It had the consistency of flesh or rubber, was on the end of...
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| my 2nd or 3rd finger from the thumb...
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| and had lots of little tiny glittery specs in it...
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| It could not be dislodged and I had no idea where it came
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| from...
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| My parents noticed it first. Two weeks later, just before a
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| scheduled...
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| doctor's visit to examine it, it disappeared the same way. No
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| memory..
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| my parents noticed it first. Ever heard of such an external
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| "implant?" GA
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Shirley | ok...
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Richard Salts: (5-11 Richard) I a
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Shirley | I haven't really heard of anything like that. How big was it? ga
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Ted | Ok...
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Bill | It was the width of the finger, was towards the end...
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| Like a super big blister, I guess, but I'm not...
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| sure of the size of my fingers at the time. It had no sense of
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| ...
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| feeling or touch unless I tried to pry it off, then I felt the
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| pull...
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Terry | !
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Bill | on the skin underneath. Under hypnosis, I recalled it being ...
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| applied. First, little holes were made in the skin, and then
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| an...
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| adhesive was applied in the score marks and on the thing. GA
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Ted | I have heard of something like that twice now (other than
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| Bill)..
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| First time ws fro, Budd Hopkins and the "Glittery" implant..
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| was in a young boy's chest. It "popped" out and broke...
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| and was described as "mica" like in substance. The second...
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| time occurance was also on the finger. At this point I can't
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| recall...
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GEORGE FORD: ?
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Ted | where I read it. But it was in the last 6 months...
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| I will check! GA Terry
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Terry | Nothing, just a silly thought. ga
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Bill | !
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Shirley | !
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Ted | Nothing is silly here GA
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Terry | I'm silly almost everywhere, Ted. I just thought it sounded
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| like a ...
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| wart.
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| Sorry. ga
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Ted | Ah! A Mica filled "wart." Ok, GEORGE is next GA
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GEORGE FORD: DID ANYONE SEE THE MOVIE COMMUNION? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON MOVIE? GA
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Ted | Ok..
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| George we are having a formal CO...
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| with Abductee Shirley Coyne as a guest...
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John | Hi, all!!
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Ted | after we get through the formal; part we can talk about...
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| general experiences. GA Bill
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Bill | ok
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| I just wanted to clarify a detail I provided about the
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| "thing."...
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| The tiny holes scored in my finger were painless, and done with
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| a chrome-
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| like hook thing. Glue was dropped in there, and then the
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| adhesive that was...
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GEORGE FORD: YES
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Bill | placed on the "thing" was actually placed.
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| ...
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| on the RIM of the circular thing. This made it impossible...
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| for me to get anything underneath it and pry it off. It
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| wouldn't budge. GA
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Ted | Ok...
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Jack | ?
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Alf | ?
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Ted | Interesting! Shirley did you have a comment? ga
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Shirley | ok...
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| I have heard of situations where when the people came...
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| out of the craft, they had some sort of glitter on their body.
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| I have...
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| not heard of the "attachment" procedure you describe. ...
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| This past week right after a series of "dreams" that George and
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| I...
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| both had, we discovered a small yellow ball a little larger
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| than...
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| a beebee....
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| it is very light and scored. I have tried to cut it with a
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| knife...
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Terry | ?
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Shirley | and took finger nail file to it. I could not mark it at all.
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| The three...
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| of us are sitting here looking at it right now. It would be
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| interesting...
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| to get it analyzed. ga
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Terry | ?
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Ted | Yes it would...
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| Bert, as a scientist what does it look like to you? ga
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Bert | ok...
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| It looks pretty much like Shirley described. It sort of looks
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| sort...
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Jack | ?
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Bert | of like a pearl, however it has some grooves in it....
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| when we look at it under a magnifying glass, it looks sort of
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| like...
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| are you ready for this....
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| a small "brain" <grin>. GA
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Terry | ?
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Ted | Ok...
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| (I'll refrain from comment.) GA Jack
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Jack | ok...
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| Does the ball float ? Is it magnetic ? Also, Shirley have you
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| verbal...
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| communication with the individual you named ? ga
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Bert | ok...
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Shirley | We are testing it right now for flotation. Hang on...
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| OK, it does not float. It dropped like a rock...
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Terry | ?
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Shirley | We are surprised because it is so light. ga
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Jack | ga Terry
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Terry | Where did you find it?
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Shirley | ok...
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Terry | ga
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Shirley | It was in the living room besides George's chair. We are...
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| noticing right now that exposure to the water resulted in...
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| a change in color, from yellow to white. It also now seems to
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| be...
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| acquiring some "glitter". ga
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Jack | ?
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Bill | !
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Ted | Ok..
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| Alf is next GA Alf
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Alf | ok...
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Jack | sen 4 Bert It should be easy to measure density/specific
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| gravity in the water
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Alf | Shirley, among abductees has anyone reported memories...
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| of creatures that look like "elf"s (for lack of a better
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| analogy)...
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| but not like those creatures that Strieber reports ? ga
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Shirley | Yes...
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GEORGE FORD: ?
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Shirley | we are aware of "creatures" (I saw one myself)...
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| 3 and a half to 4 feet tall...
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| brownish yellow hair about 4 inches long....
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| and they are stockier than the "grays"...
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| they sometimes wear a brown hooded cloak. When I saw it, George
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| and...
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| another abductee were in the room with me, and they did not see
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| it. ga
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| He laid his hand...
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Shirley | on my shoulder and then disappeared. ga
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Ted | Tery is next. GA Terry
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Alf | !
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Terry | I asked mine and was answered, Ted. ga
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Bill | ?!
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Ted | Ok.. GA ALF
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Alf | thx...
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| Shirley , what you just said was NOT comforting! ..what did...
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| you mean it 'disappeared' ? (that I didn't expect you to saY!)
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| ga
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Shirley | ok...
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| it was just as if it moved out of our dimension into another.
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| The...
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| same way it probably came in. ga
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Alf | ?
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Shirley | I know it's hard to swallow, but it's the truth. ga
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Ted | Ga Alf
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Alf | Was it in your room , your home? ga
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Shirley | It was in the home...
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Alf | !
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Shirley | of an abductee that we were interviewing. ga
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Ted | Ok..
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Terry | ?
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Ted | Bill is next. GA Bill
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Bill | ?
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| OK...
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| Is glitter still appearing? What color(s) are showing up?..
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Shirley | ok...
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Bill | My both appeared and disappeared on uneventful walks home from
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| the...
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| local swimming pool, so I was wet at the time. GA
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Jack | ?
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Shirley | After holding the round thing, were are all noticing now...
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| that there is a little glitter on our hands. The thing is
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| still...
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| it's changed color (white). It now seems to have a few ....
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Jack | !
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Shirley | small black specks in it. ga
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Ted | Ok..
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Bill | F-U?
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| That's follow up, not profane FU
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Ted | The order is: Alf, Terry and Jack GA Alf
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Alf | thx...
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| the reason I brought up the 'elf' issue is a 'dream' that I
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| had...
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| and I always brushed it off although it was so...
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| REAL. I had just finished taking a shower and returned to...
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| my room. Sitting at the end of the bed I noticed after a few...
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| moments the presence of a very small person at the head of
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| the...
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| bed. Dressed in all white. Looking at me with his round eyes
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| with...
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| no white part to them, slighltly parted mouth with pure white...
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| teeth. He had whispy whiskers, whitish/grey and grey hair...
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| skin was like someone from India but skin of a baby!...
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| I then heard a noise like someone was pushing an enevelope
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| under my door...
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| and when I turned around he had gone! It took quite a while
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| tho...
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| and I was able to observe him very well...
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| even made sketches of it/him...
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| ga
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Ted | OK. Terry then Jack. GA Terry
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Terry | About these little creatures, Shirley....
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| Could you see them if you looked directly at them...
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| or only peripherally? ga
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Shirley | ok...
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| Yes I was looking directly at him and saw him clearly. ga
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Terry | Okay. Thanks. ga
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Ted | Ok..
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| Jack GA
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Jack | ok...
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| Shirley, are there any plans to have the ball analyzed. I would
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| be very...
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| interested in the results. ga
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Bill | ?
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Shirley | ok...
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| we were just talking about that. We will try to find a lab.
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| Maybe...
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| Bert can help us on this. ga
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Jack | ok...
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| I think I would document and photgraph it (and maybe )...
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| do some simple tests, just it case it gets "lost". ga
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Shirley | Good points. ga
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Ted | GA Bill
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Bill | This seems to be a ? that comes up...
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| over and over again. At the risk of getting my...
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| "file" reactivated, shouldn't MUFON or CUFON or whoever...
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| select a scientific volunteer panel to study various aspects...
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| of precious physical evidence?? People you trust. GA
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Shirley | ok...
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| MUFON is actually in the process of doing that for exactly...
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| that purpose. ga
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Terry | ?
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Ted | GA George
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GEORGE FORD: thx...
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| Shirley, concerning your abductions experiences...
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| what do you think of Mr. Streibers works...
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| since he is / was foremost a fiction writer.. of war storees,
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| etc. ga
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Shirley | ok...
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| we know Mr. Streiber well...
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| he is primarily a writer and has a good imagination....
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| he told us that when he couldn't make any more money in ufos,...
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| he would go into something else. Evidently, channelling. ga
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Ted | Did he say channeling or is that your conclusion? ga
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GEORGE FORD: i had some trouble reading transformation, seemed so far
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| from mainstrea.
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| ga'
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Terry | ?
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Shirley | Transformation was stories from other people...
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| based on letters he received. ga
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Bill | ?
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Ted | Did Strieber say he would go into channeling? ga
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Shirley | He did not tell us...
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| but he has told other people that his next thing...
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GEORGE FORD: ?
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Shirley | would probably be channelling. ga
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Ted | Ok...
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| Terry is next ga
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Terry | Shirley, do y'all have an aquarium?
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| ga
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Shirley | No pets. ga
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Terry | Okay. ga
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GEORGE FORD: ?
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Ted | Bill is next GA
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Bill | Oh, sorry...
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| I was going to ask if WS was being serious or funny. ..
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| Of course, you can channel aliens and get 2 for 1 . That's all
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| GA
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Terry | ?sen 10 Well, she's been describing a snail egg...
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Ted | Ok..
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| GA GEORGE
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GEORGE FORD: thx...
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| Shirley, what has been said to abductees concerning...
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| prophecies, and general timing for ufos appearance to all? ga
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Bill | ?
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Shirley | ok...
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| Most of the abductees that we deal with feel that...
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| ufos will eventually be coming en masse. ga
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Ted | GA BILL
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Bill | En masse with hostility or to rescue us or as tourists??..
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| and, Is it common for abductees...
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Alf | !
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Bill | to WANT to interact with the "others" and to...
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| obsess years before thinking of this seriously about
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| interacting with the,m? GA
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| ga
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Shirley | ok...
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| first they are necessarily coming as hostile visitors, but
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| they....
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| are coming for their own purposes. This comes up while people...
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| are under hypnosis and the people are usually shoced when
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| they...
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| realize this. ga
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Terry | ?
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Ted | Ok.. GA ALF
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Bill | FU?
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Alf | perhaps if we could time their coming...
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| just right we might be able to ...
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| make a bundle at Wall St! ga
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Ted | GA Terry
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Shirley | NOT necessarily hostile (correction). ga
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Terry | Shirley, do they have any apparent weaknesses that you've
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| noticed?
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| Physical or mental? ga
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Shirley | ok...
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| I think they fear our size and strength and that's why...
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| they contol us. Perhaps WE are the hostile ones. ga
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Alf | !
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Ted | Ok...
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GEORGE FORD: !
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Ted | Bill is next witha (F)ollow (U)P [FU] - sorry about the ..
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Bill | I've already asked it in private, but I never..
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| did really get an answer about my "obsession" with them..
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Ted | missunderstanding Bil) GA Bill
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Bill | for years before I ever...
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| considered hypnosis or seriously that I may have been abducted>
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| GA
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Ted | Ok GA Alf
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Bill | Is that common, Shirley? GA
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Alf | ok...
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| perhaps indeed we are the hostile ones, but...
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| size and strength never seemed to favor the Gorillas in
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| Rwanda...
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| and we might be talking here of a space faring
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| civilization(s)...
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| so much farther ahead of us than we of the Gorilla. ga
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Ted | Good point Alf. ga
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Shirley | True. ga
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Ted | GA George
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GEORGE FORD: thx...
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Bill | !
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GEORGE FORD: we might be as in Zecharia sitchin's "Wars of Gods and
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| Men"...
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Terry | ?
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GEORGE FORD: are we created, prodigy of these people, have got in fight
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| with them in past? ga
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Shirley | ok...
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Ted | Comments George and Shirley? ga
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Terry | ?
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Shirley and George: ok...
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| There is a possibility that they were involved with the ancient
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| Sumarians....
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GEORGE FORD: ga
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Shirley and George: or some other group...
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| and contributed to our more modern evolution. ga
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Ted | OK, GA Bill
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Bill | As a child, I would go outside with a flashlight...
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| shine it up at the stars...
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| and say "I know there are people up there....
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| Come and visit me. At least let me see you. Fly by ONCE.!"...
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| This was YEARS before seeing UFO books in school or any of this
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| stuff. Is this...
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| type of early conscious manifestation of a history usual ?? GA
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Shirley and George: ok...
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| Yes, this is common. I (Shirley) used to sit on the step when...
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| I was five and look up at the sky and be angry...
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| and ask why they brought me here. And said why don't you come...
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| back and get me. ga
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Bill | ?
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Terry | ?
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Ted | GA Terry
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Terry | You think they fear our size and strength; what about....
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| our weapons? Have they expressed any interest in....
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| gun control?
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| ga
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Shirley and George: They're not afraid of out weapons. ga
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Ted | GA Bill
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Bill | But is an emotion of lonliness and longing for them...
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| usual as well as fear and anger? And do you feel...
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Terry | ?
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Bill | you are genetically or socially or spiritually partially with
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| them...
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| and not with the remainder of Earthly humanity?? GA
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Shirley | ok...
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| Longing and loneliness is very common...
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| at some point in your experiences you seem to get over....
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| your fear and anger and beging to grow spiritually. I don't...
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| necessarily feel that I am "with them", however, I also feel
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| that....
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| I don't belong here. I don't feel that I belong to the people...
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| that I call my family. ga
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Terry | ?
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Ted | GA Terry
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Terry | Do the aliens show any sign of having, recognizing or
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| understandxing...
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| a sense of humor? ga
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Shirley | Yes...
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| when I was 9 years old, during that experience, I said I...
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| don't know what the word unique is when he used it. He patted...
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| me on top of the head and chuckled and said that he would...
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| teach me many things. ga
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| They can also show anger. ga
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Ted | Ok...
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| Any other questions? ga
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Bill | ?
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Alf | ?
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Ted | GA Bill
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GEORGE FORD: ?
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Bill | How many times have you been hypnotized in total by now?
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Ted | GA Shirley
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Bill | GA
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Shirley | ok...
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| about 15 times. ga
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Ted | GA ALF
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Alf | ok...
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| you said, Shirley, that they can show anger...
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| now that sounds very threatening! How have they...
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| manifested anger? to you? others? reason? ga
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Shirley | ok...
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| the being got angry with me because he told me what to do ...
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| to help George with a heart problem. It frightened me and I
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| jerked...
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| my hand away, and he grabbed my hand and put it back...
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| on George's chest. And was angry with me and told me...
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| that "I would do it". He told me to put my left hand on...
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| Georges chest and it felt like an electric shock. That is
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| what...
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| frightened me. George was having chest pains and trouble
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| breathing. ...
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| The result was that George's problem eased up. ga
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Ted | GA GEORGE
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GEORGE FORD: ok...
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| Shirley, the aliens responses to the abductees..commanding,
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| anger...
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| makes them seem god-like,,any abductee msessages concerning...
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| religious tie-ins, to any earth relighions, reincarnations> ga
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Ted | Any others? ga
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Shirley | ok...
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| The beings have told us that reincarnation...
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| is a fact. As far as religion goes, the beings have told us...
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| that we are all of one "supreme being". ga
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GEORGE FORD: ?
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Ted | Ok...
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| It is getting late and I would like to thank...
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| Shirley and George Cpyne for being our VERY special...
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| guest tonight. Also I would like to thank Bert for...
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| traveling to the Coynes' and acting as our local..
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| host in Michigan. Any final comment Shirley or George? ga
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GEORGE FORD: send 4 that we are like an atom in some larger existence
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| "dimension?"
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Shirley and George: ok...
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| It's been great. Thanks for having us on...
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Terry | !
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Shirley and George: we would be happy to do it again in the future. ga
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Ted | Ok..
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Bill | Thanks Shirley & George& Brt & Ted. See ya
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Ted | Thank you! Anyone who might have other questions can direct
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| them...
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Alf | Thanks Shirley and George, Bert, Ted and others...bye
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Shirley and George: Night all.
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Ted | via EMAIL to myself or Bert or post them on the message board...
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| Nite All! ga
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Terry | Nite.
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