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From: ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Otto Heuer #3)
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Date: 2 Dec 93 07:53:08 GMT
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
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Subject: FAQL: TIME LOOPS, YESTERDAY'S ENTERPRISE, AND TASHA YAR EXPLAINED
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Archive-Name: faql.rec.arts.startrek.time.loops
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TIME LOOPS, YESTERDAY'S ENTERPRISE, AND TASHA YAR EXPLAINED
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(last updated 15 October)
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This posting is intended to cut down on the "often asked questions" that
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seem to pop up every few months in the rec.arts.startrek.misc newsgroup
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concerning "Yesterday's Enterprise" and Tasha's life and death. It is one
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of a number of periodic postings posted to r.a.s.*. Please refer to the
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"LIST OF PERIODIC POSINGS TO r.a.s.* NEWSGROUPS" article for a full list of
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periodic postings.
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I've expanded this list a bit more (it originally only explained Tasha Yar)
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so if anyone wants to contribute to the new sections, feel free to send me
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a note. I've added a few contributions, have a few more to sift through,
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and still welcome more explanations to possible points of confusion in TNG.
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INDEX
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1. TOS: The Guardian of Forever ("City on the Edge of Forever")
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2. TOS: The slingshot effect ("Tomorrow Is Yesterday")
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3. TOS: Cold-starting the warp engines ("The Naked Time")
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4. TOS: Mr. Atoz's time travel system ("All Our Yesterdays")
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5. TOS: Isis' time-space transporter ("Assignment: Earth")
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6. TNG: Time hiccup ("We'll Always Have Paris")
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7. TNG: Picard from the future ("Time Squared")
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8. TNG: Enterprise from the past ("Yesterday's Enterprise")
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9. TNG: Riker thinks he's in the future ("Future Imperfect")
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10. TNG: Aliens from the future ("Captain's Holiday")
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11. TNG: Visitor from the past ("A Matter of Time")
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12. TNG: Time loop ("Cause and Effect")
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13. TNG: Data in the past ("Time's Arrow")
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14. TAS: ("Yesteryear")
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15. NOV: ("Killing Time")
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16. NOV: ("Ishmael")
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17. NOV: ("Entropy Effect")
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18. NOV: ("Home Is The Hunter")
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19. NOV: Tasha & The Guardian of Forever ("Imzadi")
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20. MOV: BoP goes to 1980s for whales ("ST4: The Voyage Home")
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1. THE GUARDIAN OF FOREVER IN TOS: CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER
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a) Why did everyone disappear when McCoy went back in time?
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Because he saved Edith Keeler from being his by a vehicle.
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b) Why didn't the people on the planet disappear when the Enterprise did?
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They were protected by the Guardian of Forever.
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2. THE SLINGSHOT EFFECT IN TOS: TOMORROW IS YESTERDAY
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3. COLD STARTING THE WARP ENGINES IN TOS: THE NAKED TIME
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4. MR. ATOZ'S TIME TRAVEL SYSTEM IN TOS: ALL OUR YESTERDAYS
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5. ISIS' TIME-SPACE TRANSPORTER IN TOS: ASSIGNMENT: EARTH
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a) Q: When the Enterprise crew looked at their records, they found out that
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the rocket did explode 104 miles above the earth. Wouldn't their records
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have been "changed" as soon as they interfered? The records would have
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"always" shown that, even though they JUST made it happen.
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A: The Enterprise, being in the past, is not retroactively altered. Her
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records are unchanged. When they return to the future, their records will
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no longer match what Starfleet's records say.
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b) Isis' transporter *may* have gone through time. Scotty wasn't sure.
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6. THE TIME HICCUP IN TNG: WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE PARIS
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a) Why were there multiple copies of Data in this episode?
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Presumably the "hiccup" is more pronounced the nearer you are to the
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source. The first time it was small (Picard and his fencing partner
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realise they saluted TWICE), then bigger (Picard, Worf and Data in the
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corridor see their duplicate selves in the turbolift for several seconds
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before the "hiccup" passes), and in Manheim's lab it's major, hence three
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of Data.
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b) Why was one of the copies more accurate than the others?
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The Manheim effect was never known to double-up on itself. For example,
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there would never be a you, a you from 5 minutes in the past, and a you
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from 10 minutes in the past (or, likewise, two from the future). If either
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of the end Datas had been the "real" one, the effect would have had to have
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doubled-up. The only choice left was that the middle Data was the one
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(having just one past aspect and just one future aspect).
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As for why it was important to know which one was which, my guess would be
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that if the present aspect waited for the future aspect to pour the
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antimatter, the future aspect would never do it because the present aspect
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would be waiting the whole time. A similar argument could be constructed
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for the past aspect.
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7. PICARD FROM THE FUTURE IN TNG: TIME SQUARED
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Why were there two Picards in this episode?
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The original version of this episode had it as a two-parter with "Q-Who",
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and it was Q who (noticing that the Enterprise had destroyed itself) threw
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Picard in the shuttle back six hours to let him try to change what had
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happened.
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As a result of being thrown back in time, Picard2 is "out of sync"--unable
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to move or speak at first, but slowly returning to 'normal' as they
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approach the time at which the Enterprise will apparently be annihilated.
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Shortly before zero hour, a big hole in space appears under the Big E,
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drawing it in. One by one their attempts at escape are thwarted - an
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energy bolt destroys their probe, and the pulling force easily outmatches
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the warp engines.
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The solution finally appears when Picard2, now fully conscious, heads
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towards the shuttlebay. Picard follows him, ordering Riker to stay put on
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the bridge. In the shuttlebay, Picard asks Picard2 why he is abandoning
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the ship. Picard2 answers that it is "the only way". At this point Picard
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figures it out - he stuns Picard2 and orders the ship to turn around and
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fly at maximum speed *into* the hole. As a result, Picard2 vanishes and
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the hole with him, leaving them where they were originally.
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8. TASHA YAR AND TNG: YESTERDAY'S ENTERPRISE
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FIRST TRY AT AN EXPLANATION (ottoh@cfsmo.honeywell.com):
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A lot of people seem to be having trouble understanding the time travel
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involved in this episode (and cluttering up the net every few months
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because of this). I'm not the best at explaining these sorts of things,
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and if anyone else can in less space, feel free to email me.
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Anyway... in "YE" they start out in the "peaceful" timeline indicated by
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the top line in the diagram below (A)-->(B)-->(C). When the Enterprise-C
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broke through the barrier (due to an explosion in a battle between the
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Enterprise-C and Romulans that were attacking a Klingon outpost), it
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changed history as we know it (from the time of the battle onward) to a
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more hostile one (in which the Klingons are at war with the Federation and
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Tasha didn't die at the "hands" of Armus (b)). When they sent the Ent-C
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back through the rift, it fixed whatever went wrong with the
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Klingons/Federation, and restored the timeline to the one we know
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(including Yar being dead at the hands of the slime beast in a Glad Bag
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(B)). So no, Yar isn't still alive these days. And also no, Yar didn't
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"never exist and thus couldn't have died due to Armus". *Everything* we
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know about the time before "YE" happened exactly as we saw because sending
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the alternate-Yar back repaired all the damage to time. The only change is
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that somewhere between (A) and (B), the alternate Tasha had a daughter
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Sela, and was apparently killed trying to escape.
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The line from (c)--->(A) represents the Enterprise-C being sent back in
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time through the rift.
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(A) is the time of the Ent-C's battle with the Romulans
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(B) and (b) is the time around "Skin of Evil"
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(C) and (c) is the time around "Yesterday's Enterprise"
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(D) is the later seasons of TNG
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Armus kills Tasha
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----------------> (B) ----------------> (C) ---------> (D)
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Ent-C (A) <--------------------------------------
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battle \ \
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----------------> (b) ----------------> (c)
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Armus doesn't
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kill Tasha
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SECOND TRY AT AN EXPLANATION (stolen from someone else):
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There is one real timeline - the one where Tasha gets killed by a mud
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monster AND where an alternative time-line Tasha has a daughter called Sela
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(apparently - I haven't seen Redemption but I think I've got the idea).
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The only alternative time-line (well, as far as Tasha is concerned) is the
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alternative one we see in Yesterday's Enterprise.
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Time for an ASCII-diagram! :
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Real timeline :
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Alt Tashsa gets
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sent back through Alt Tasha Real Tasha Alt Tasha Real Tasha Sela
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wormhole into the gives birth born dies (old killed turns up
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real timeline. to Sela. | age?) | |
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V V V V V V
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...-----------------------------------~~--------------------------------...
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<-------- Alt Tasha lives -----~~--------->
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<-------------~~------- Sela lives -------------...
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^ <-~~- Real Tasha lives ->
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+-------<---------------<-----------------<--------------+
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^
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Alternative timeline : |
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Alt Tasha
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Alt Tasha decides to go
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born through
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| wormhole
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V V
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...----------------------------------~~--------------------------------...
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<-~~- Alt Tasha lives ------>
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Yes, there are two Tashas alive at the same time, living seperate lives but
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this doesn't mean that they are constantly mucking up history. They are
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simply two seperate people - maybe they have the same DNA structure but so
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what - you can think of them as clones if you like. History wasn't even
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changed - history has always been like this. During the first season we
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saw the real Tasha walking about, but the Alternative Tasha was around as
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well, we just didn't see her.
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Just to clarify this point let's look at the Enterprise-C's history. The
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E-C starts off in the real timeline, gets transported through the wormhole
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into the alternative timeline. Then the events off Yesterday's Enterprise
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occur and the alternative Tasha decides to go back through. The E-C then
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returns to the real timeline and gets captured by the Romulans.
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The problem is what was the wormhole that the "real" timeline crew saw
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right at the beginning of Yesterday's Enterprise? According to my chart
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nothing special happens at all at that point in the real timeline.
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My theory is that the wormhole just happened to occur at the same time in
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the real timeline as it did in the alterantive one. The real Guinan then
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somehow projected her conciousness through the wormhole (not on purpose)
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and into the alternative Guinan, making her believe that everything was
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wrong. This just happened to be at the same time as the E-C came through.
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THIRD TRY AT AN EXPLANATION (batemanc@p4.cs.man.ac.uk):
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AMA, There are Three timelines involved, not two. The first timeline is
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the Trek timeline prior to YE ( NORM ). In this timeline, the Enterprise-C
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is destroyed and everything proceeds normally. However, something
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interacts with a superstring to create a temporal rift. This rift extends
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back to the events of the Enterprise-C battling the Romulans and in doing
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so creates a new timeline: Alternate time line 1 ( A1 ). In this
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timeline, the high energy interaction with superstring material ( quoth the
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Raven... ) throws the Enterprise-C into the ( subjective ) present and -
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BANG! New timeline. Alternate time line 2 ( A2 ). This timeline has been
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caused by no- Ent-C in the past and is the Militaristic timeline from YE.
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In this timeline, the Ent-C is sent back to A1 - but with Tasha Yar on
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board. This is the timeline which all episodes from YE onwards are set in
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( allowing us to explain a number of Trek inconsistancies with the
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Butterfly effect, provided the insonsistancies occur in pre and post YE
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episodes ).
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Now for the important bit. There is only ONE timeline 'active' ( as I
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believe this is how Star Trek time is intended to function ). The reason
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for this is: The wormhole in NORM creates A1 and then destroys A1 and NORM
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to create A2. A2 then recreates A1 and destroys A2 ( the shrewd among you
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may point out that there are hence two different A2's, but to all intents
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and purposes they are equivalent ). Guinan's senses extend across time and
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space and hence she can realise that the A2 timeline is `wrong' ( in that
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there was a timeline in which no such war occured ). Sela appears in A2
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only.
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FOURTH TRY AT AN EXPLANATION (robinson%elux3@cs.umass.edu):
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This explanation is more valid than any you have (IMHO), though not as
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comforting. We start our journey in the timeline that is common to both
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the normal and the alternate timelines. The Enterprise-C is on route to
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Narendra III in response to a distress call. Four Romulan warbirds ambush
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her and a fight ensues. This fight creates a temporal rift to the future.
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I believe it was Data who attributed it to a massive discharge of weapons
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(probably by the Romulans). The Enterprise-C flees through it, so she in
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effect time travels forward about 22 years. We continue on with the
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Federation and the Klingons going to war, and so forth. THIS IS THE
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CORRECT TIME LINE.
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In this timeline, Tasha Yar does not die. So she is on the Enterprise-D
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when it finds the rift 22 years later and the Enterprise-C comes through
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it. At this time, Guinan, who can see beyond linear time, now 'sees' that
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Picard will send the Enterprise-C back, so time will be changed. The two
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timelines are both in her mind (I assume it appears now because the
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presence of the temporal rift somehow activates this sense in her race.)
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She sees the other timeline as far preferable, so she naturally assumes it
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is the correct timeline, but it really is an alternate timeline. This
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explains why she waited until then to inform Picard that 'Everything is
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wrong.' Because there is nothing wrong, at least until the rift showed up
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allowing the Enterprise-C to go back in history and change time.
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Now, the Enterprise-C time travels back through the rift, thus altering
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time and creating an alternate timeline. There are two Tasha Yars in this
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timeline. The two Tasha's are in no way connected. As far as the universe
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is concerned, they are both just matter, regardless of what meaning we
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assign to that matter (we call both chunks 'Tasha Yar'.) One Tasha, on the
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Enterprise-C is captured, has a daughter, and dies. That has always been
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the case, we just never knew it. The capture of the Enterprise-C might
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also explain why the Romulans have been able to catch up in technology, now
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have phasers and photon torpedoes, etc. The second Tasha lives a normal
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life, until she dies at the hands of Armus.
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Thus, the most 'valid' timeline is the one in which the Feds and the
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Klingons are at war. The last comment I want to make is about the
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Enterprise-D seeing a rift in the 'peaceful' timeline. This is a logical
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mistake, shown only because otherwise everyone would be confused. Ok, more
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likely the writer was confused. Guess that's the problem with writers
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having little technical background, but we already knew that :) Since the
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rift did exist in the past (i.e. was created by the actions at the battle,
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not the actions of the Enterprise-D 22 years later), it always existed.
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The 'normal' timeline in which the Enterprise-C showed up, was destroyed,
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caused peace with the Klingons, etc never existed.
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9. RIKER THINKS HE'S IN THE FUTURE IN TNG: FUTURE IMPERFECT
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10. THE ALIENS FROM THE FUTURE IN TNG: CAPTAIN'S HOLIDAY
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11. THE VISITOR FROM THE PAST IN TNG: A MATTER OF TIME
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12. THE TIME LOOP IN TNG: CAUSE AND EFFECT
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Wasn't The Boseman ship in the loop for several decades? Why don't they
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have a *really* bad feeling of deja vu?
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No, the general consensus is that the ship shot forward in time to the
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point that the START of the Enterprise's loop began.
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Thanks to Mike Kelsey for this next part:
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The situation in "Cause and Effect" can be described similarly to that in
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"Yesterday's Enterprise": a space time anomaly is connecting two points
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which are spearated in space-time, thus:
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Point A
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(Bozeman) >-----------------------+
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2278 AD |
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Point B
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(Enterprise) 2369 AD (I think!)
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The Bozeman encounters a space-time anomaly at some location in the galaxy
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(presumably explored Federation territory) in 2278 AD. It is sucked
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through the anomaly (like the Enterprise-C), and appears at a different
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location in the galaxy (point B) in 2369 AD. At that location, the
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Enterprise has encountered a space-time anomaly, and observes a ship come
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out of it and collide with them.
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The Bozeman was therefore only at point B for the 36 seconds from the time
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it appeared to the time it collided with the Enterprise and was
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(presumably) destroyed along with the Enterprise (although we are *not*
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shown that).
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The loop for the Enterprise lasted about 12 hours (evening poker game
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through morning briefing). According to Worf's check of the Starfleet
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timebase beacon, their clocks were desynchronized by 17.4 days. Therefore,
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the Enterprise went through about 35 iterations of the loop before getting
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out.
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On the other hand, the Bozeman need not have gone through *any* iterations
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at all, since it was coming from somewhere else in the Galaxy (point A).
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>From the point of view of the Enterprise's *internal* clocks, it enters the
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temporal anomaly region, travels for about 12 hours, sees the Bozeman
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appear, then is destroyed. The Enterprise travel *back* in time according
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to its *interal* clocks (while the Starfleet timebase beacon keeps ticking)
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along with the local region of space-time anomaly. It travels for about 12
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hours, then sees the Bozeman appear and is destroyed. And so on, for 35
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repetitions. Note that at each explosion, it is at the *same* location in
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external space-time (within the anomalous region), so it is seeing the
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*same* Bozeman each time, which has not had to go through "loops" to get
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there.
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13. DATA IN THE PAST IN TNG: TIME'S ARROW
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How can Data work on his the head they found from San Fransisco? How can
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there be two copies of his head?
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Thanks to Barry Geipel (barry@godzilla.quotron.com) for this next part
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(though it was probably written before part II was aired):
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The away team meets up with Data and Guinan in 1893. They determine that
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they are trapped and have no way to get back to the 24th century. They
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place key information in Data's head and place it in the cavern. The Away
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team also tells Guinan some information on how to get at the information so
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that the Enterprise can extract it. (As a possibile twist, they also have
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Mark Twain write a classic story (_Mysterious Stranger_ perhaps?) in which
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more information can be extracted). Also, during this time, Picard somehow
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saves Guinan's life (or tells her about the Borg) making it essential that
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Picard goes back into time.
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Sometime after the Away team goes down to the planet, Guinan tells Worf
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about her historical encounter with Picard and the Away team. With the
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help of the Mark Twain novel, the phase thingamajig in Data's head and any
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information in Data's head, Worf and the Enterprise crew rescue the Away
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team.
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Since Data must leave his head behind, Data is brought back headless and
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the 600 year old head is re-attached.
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/-------- Enterprise rescues Data @ Away Team-----\
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v v
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--A----C--D---------- Main-line History ---------E---------F--G----->
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\------- Data @ Away team go back in time-------------/
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A - 1893
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Guinan meets Picard for the first time
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Picard meets Guinan for the second time
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C - 1893
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Away team places information of how to rescue them into
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Data's head ( as well as the phase thingimijig ), removes
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Data's head and places it in the cavern. Away team tells
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Guinan how to extract the info so that she can tell the
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Enterprise crew how to go back to rescue them. Also,
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Mark Twain puts key information into a "classic" as
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further reference ( _Mysterious Stranger_ ???)
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D - 1893
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Data (minus head) and away team is rescued
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E - Sometime earlier in the 24th century
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Guinan meets Picard for the second time
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Picard meets Guinan for the first time
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F - 24th Century
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Data @ Away team go back to 1893
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G - 24th Century
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Enterprise recues Data (minus head) and Away team.
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Data and 600 year old head are reattached.
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Here is a better explanation from someone (accidentally deleted his name):
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The away team meets up with Data and Guinan in 1893. They discover that
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the space-time distortions are created by the Ophidian that the aliens use
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to travel in time. By itself, however, it can't make a distortion large
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enough for anyone to pass through. They discover the cave (the location of
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the archaeological dig) and Geordi discovers that the cave has been
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modified to focus the distortion. The aliens appear and take the cane from
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Troi (who is holding it) and Data tries to grab it back, just as it begins
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to activate. There is an explosion that blows Data's head off, his body
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falls to the future and his head falls in the past. Just before it closes,
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Riker, La Forge and Clemens jump through the portal, leaving Guinan, Picard
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and Data behind. Picard tends to Guinan's injuries, then fiddles with
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Data's head.
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Back in the future, Geordi is trying to get Data's 600 year old head to
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work on the now Headless Data. He does and Data spouts the words
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"Torpedos, Phasing, Alien". Picard had coded that message in data's binary
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memory, and they used the info so they wouldn't destroy the portal (on the
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future side) with normal photon torps. Bev figures out that they can use
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the Ophidian to send one person back to the past, so they send Clemens back
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to the past, who sends picard back to the future.
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The time line for data's head starts at his birth, lives until the 24th
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century, goes back in time to 1893, and waits 600 yeas to be re-attached.
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/-----<--Data Goes Back in Time--<----\
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V ^ ^ V
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-------------1---------2---------------3-----------4-------
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1 - Data's Head is Underground
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2 - Data is "born"
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3 - Data's Head is found
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4 - "Old Head attached"
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14. TAS: YESTERYEAR
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15. NOV: KILLING TIME
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16. NOV: ISHMAEL
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17. NOV: ENTROPY EFFECT
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18. NOV: HOME IS THE HUNTER
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19. NOV: TASHA & THE GUARDIAN OF FOREVER
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Peter David's Imzadi explained that Tasha crossed over into the Guardian Of
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Forever therefore living in an alternate time stream.
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20. THE BIRD OF PREY GOES TO THE 1980S FOR WHALES IN ST4: THE VOYAGE HOME
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a) Why didn't the space-time continuum get screwed up with Scotty giving
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the man from the past the formula for transparent aluminum?
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The cop out answer to the first one is: there is no paradox because the
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guy McCoy and Scotty talked actually DID invent transparent aluminum, just
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like they say in the movie. If he didn't before, then the space/time
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continuum is messed up and *poof*, the Big E ceases to exist. Since this
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*didn't* happen, we must assume he invented it in the first place, from a
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diagram by Scotty. This is an infinitely-regressing explanation, since how
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could Scotty know about the stuff if he had to go back in time to get it
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invented? Aiiiieeee!
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b) Just how old are Kirk's glasses? Isn't this an infinite loop?
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Kirk's glasses need not be an infinite loop. McCoy gets them in the 23rd
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century and gives them to Kirk. We assume they're antiques. Kirk goes
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back to 1989 (or whatever) and sells them back to the antiquer. The
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antiquer, off camera, breaks them and throws them away. The glasses are
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made sometime later, maybe in the 1990s, and eventually are procured by
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McCoy.
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BUT, the antiquer said they were quite old. Say they were made in 1893 (by
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Data, no doubt 8-) ). Then they sat in a safe until 2288 (or whatever)
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when McCoy gets them for Kirk. This way they exist TWICE in the 1980s;
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once in an antique store (until they get sold or broken or whatnot) and
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once in a safe somewhere, for McCoy to eventually pick up.
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because I'm ignoring you. :-)
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