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Transcript File : The Grove of Avalon
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The Grove is one of a pair of unique Chat-rooms run for a while on the PC-Link system by some pagan interest/philosophy interested people to expand the general consiousness of pagans and non-pagans. The room is free-form, with users using handle names to retain animinity. The following is a transcript of a single evening recorded by 'Ravensong' the room host for the evening.
Unnefer : transcend the false mind-unite with the absolute-become god
Ravensong : Ah, then you hold the principle that together we are the sum of
God/Goddess?
Unnefer : yes
Unnefer : god/goddes/not god/goddess all at the same time
Ravensong : INteresting, we are both one and not one?
GaryG59 : what's on the fire?
Unnefer : yes and not one or not not one
Ravensong : ...We are discusing our divinity, or lack of understanding of
it....
Unnefer : this limited language is of no use to describe it
Unnefer : humanity as it is, is lost
Ravensong : But the principles you are presenting do project beyond the words
we use
GaryG59 : from the papers i dont think we have any divinity.
Ravensong : Lost?
Unnefer : follow your true will-become a god
Ravensong : But if I was God/Goddess I'd get bored in the long run...thats
why this game called life!
Ravensong : Gary, you don't see the forest becuiase of the Billboard....
Unnefer : the "game" is to become god/goddess by realising it!
GaryG59 : define true will.
Ravensong : But is winning the game all its cracked up to be?
Unnefer : the absolute action you must take=will
Unnefer : destiny???
Ravensong : True Will? We all have the will to choose whgat we do....
Unnefer : yes, but there is only one action that maintains the balace of
power
Ravensong : ...wether we decided to do it in this lifetime or the one before
GaryG59 : how can you become a God/
Unnefer : by realising your true will
Ravensong : HOw do you know you're not already one Gary?
Unnefer : no one can know
Unnefer : there is no knowing
Ravensong : But if True will is all that is in question, what if my will is
to play at life?
Unnefer : only doing-or a state of becoming
GaryG59 : the christian God hates competition.
Ravensong : Perspective : Use it or lose it.
Unnefer : then do it ravensong!
Unnefer : the christian god is blood thirsty and evil
Ravensong : Hello Cleo, welcome to Metaphysics 101....where we ask are you a
God(dess)?
Unnefer : lol
Ravensong : The Christian god is not what Christians portray him to be...
CLEO71 : TOO DEEP FOR ME
Ravensong : ...they refuse to read their own holy writs with any depoth...
GaryG59 : the old testament or the new??
Unnefer : it/he has been distorted from the tru teachings
Ravensong : The new Testament says that the Christian god is a god of Love,
yes?
Unnefer : jesus christ was a buddha-no doubt
GaryG59 : yes
Ravensong : Hello Chris...welcome to the Grove, where Eris laughs at us
all...
Unnefer : christian god = evil-programming of ideology into the youth
Ravensong : And Jesus was also a person who wanted to develop true
Communisim....
Unnefer : utopian communism
Ravensong : ..not the false version that Russia or China developed....
Ravensong : exactly
Ravensong : Gary, what do you believe in?
Unnefer : russia/china=distorted(BY FAR) OF MARX
Unnefer : who is ERIS? that discordian?? deity?
Ravensong : ...Even Marx didn't have it quite right....
Unnefer : yes he was off a bit
GaryG59 : if i were a god i think that i would know it
Ravensong : Hello Dick & Dan...welcome to the grove have a seat by our
fire....
DAN LAU PA: OK
Unnefer : I doubt it, becuase if you did you woulndt call yourself YOU!
Ravensong : Gary, Why?
DAN LAU PA: HI ALL
Unnefer : there is no you, that is an invention of the false mind/ego
Ravensong : a round of ale for all: [(_) [(_) [(_) [(_) [(_)
GaryG59 : what would i call myself?
Unnefer : cant be explained in words
Unnefer : you woulndt even conceive of a you
Ravensong : Why would you need to label yourself?
Unnefer : only unity?or lack of it-parodox!
Unnefer : there is no you to label!
GaryG59 : what of objective reality?
Ravensong : Reality is a playground!
Ravensong : ...and we are all children upon it!
Unnefer : there isnt any, only a participator/creator of reality
Unnefer : raven- who is Eris?
Unnefer : wiccan deity?
GaryG59 : we create our own reality????
Unnefer : yes!!!!!!!!!
Ravensong : Eris is the ancient greek Goddess/Personification of Chaos and
Strife....
Unnefer : by acting acording to your true will, then you would be a god!
Ravensong : Actually, I believe we each are a seperate individual reality...
Ravensong : that interaccts with other realities...
Unnefer : causing change to occur in conformity to WIL!!!!
Unnefer : will atgh!
Ravensong : GGreetings Hotelcal...welcome to the Grove where you can stiull
speak you mind if you
Unnefer : ive never heard of eris before
Ravensong : can prove that you are real and have one....
Hotelcal : thankyou
GaryG59 : the reality here, is as cold as hell
Ravensong : here have an ale [(_)
Unnefer : no there is nothing...
Unnefer : hell is the mind
Ravensong : The weather here is cold too its 25 after being 65 yesterday!
Unnefer : satan=the false mind/ego
Unnefer : raven you must live on the east coast then?
Ravensong : The term Satan is simply a personification then?
GaryG59 : is satan real??
Ravensong : Yes, I'm in MASS
Unnefer : a symbol
Unnefer : 73 here yester...
GaryG59 : anywhere near Salam?
Ravensong : Greetings Kitaiyla...
KITAIYLA : good eve
Unnefer : gary?
GaryG59 : what?
KITAIYLA : Ravensong....are you talking about the WLPA?
Unnefer : well raven do you understand my "reality trip" now???:)
Ravensong : Satan is a creation of a church that needed an advesary figure to
keep its populance
Ravensong : under control,
Unnefer : yes!!!but more a symbol of the false mind/ego
Ravensong : WLPA?
Ravensong : Yes, I understand what you're saying, Unnefer...you present a
diffrent variation
KITAIYLA : Satan is a perversion of the Horned One, not a creation of the
church
GaryG59 : no horns or pointy tail?
Ravensong : on what Richard Bach did, a little less optimistic.
Unnefer : the ancient one
Unnefer : christ-drug yum yum
Ravensong : The Horned god is an Archetype, a creation of our group mind that
is mankind'
Unnefer : i'm from the non-reality-unity-absolute school
GaryG59 : WICCA?
Ravensong : Jung said there were many ARchetype, each with a purpose in our
created realities
Unnefer : jung was right on track
Ravensong : WIcca is one set of beliefs, forged to achieve a set of goals by
a group of
Unnefer : commentary on the Tibetan book of the Dead was great!-Jung
Ravensong : individual 'universes'
Unnefer : wicca is not mu cup of tea. although it is interesting
Ravensong : Jungs only flaw was his own prejudices...they caused his
failure...
GaryG59 : JUNG was a little strange
Ravensong : The Wiccan philosophy is a good solid means to lkearn and build
ones own knowledge
Ravensong : of ones self-universe.
Unnefer : yes i agree- and freud also(prejudices)
Ravensong : Wicca is not the only path, it is one of many.
Ravensong : Freud, like Newton, was flawed by his means of observation.
KITAIYLA : Snowy owl says to inform the group that he will be in the room
shortly...
Unnefer : my path is ALL paths-they all go to the same place
GaryG59 : rs what path is your?
Ravensong : Snowy is always welcome
Ravensong : Thanks Kitayiyla...I've been fine, but strapped money wiuse
Ravensong : My path is not Wiccan, though I spent time there as my
foundation, it is mearly mine
ScottD32 : Avalon N.J.
Ravensong : Wicca helps one to begin to open ones mind to the possibilities
of ones universe
Unnefer : there is only one path(realy)
Ravensong : Greetings scott welcome unto the Grove...
Unnefer : many universes-or non-universes
Ravensong : There are many paths that lead to the same road
Unnefer : yes that is what i was saying
Ravensong : ...we all seek the road.
Crag Hack : Goodevening, Ravensong!
GaryG59 : no fear of HELL?
Ravensong : Hello Crag, welcome
ScottD32 : Jesis the only way!!
Unnefer : the road is a difficult one
KITAIYLA : there is no hell
Ravensong : Greetings all!
ScottD32 : sorry Jesus
Unnefer : christ-drug - progarmming and ideology
Ravensong : Scott, if you mean Jesus, perhaps for you his teachings are the
only path.
BoingoVH2 : fare well all. just stopping by again.
ScottD32 : Jesus has defeated satin
Ravensong : Some of us must create our own path, others can follow those
already forged
Unnefer : yes rs there is only each persons will
Ravensong : Scott..I'm not impressed, defeqating cloth is easy!
Ravensong : (joke)
Snowy Owl1: <hoot>
Unnefer : satan is a symbol for much more than you may or may not know
KITAIYLA : GREETINGS, SNOW!!!!!!!!
Crag Hack : Hi Snowy!
Ravensong : Hail Snowy! Welcome to the Realm of Truth and Illusion
personified!
Snowy Owl1: dont know Him personally.
BoingoVH2 : hi owl!
Snowy Owl1: gee, HI EVERYBODY!
BoingoVH2 : i'm just leaving.
Snowy Owl1: [i like feeling popular :D ]
Crag Hack : Satan is a satan is a symbol amoung many symbols that are
supposed to mean evil
Ravensong : By BOING!
Snowy Owl1: not cause i got here, i hope.
Ravensong : What is evil?
ScottD32 : I'm talking real Christ, what do you have
Crag Hack : Although, I don't believe in evil
Unnefer : evil is relative to ones will
GaryG59 : fried snowy owl YUM!
Snowy Owl1: "Satan is a satan is a..." there's a song in that
Somewhere.....
Snowy Owl1: yum?
BoingoVH2 : no, i just won an hour in the auditorium so i'm leaving.
Unnefer : evil=
KITAIYLA : ?
Ravensong : Scott, Jesus was a good teacher for his culture...its just that
culture is no longer
Unnefer : argh!
Ravensong : predominant
Snowy Owl1: "real Christ" ?? is there a fake one?
BoingoVH2 : door prize!
Ravensong : Hello HHS!
Unnefer : christ-drug
Snowy Owl1: Hah!!!! Look again, Raven.
Crag Hack : I don't believe in an evil being or a good being. I thinks good
and evil are the same thing
HHS151 : HELLO
Unnefer : all is one one is all
Ravensong : HHS...loweR THY caps!
Crag Hack : Balance is the key
ScottD32 : satan is the deciever
Unnefer : the TAO
Snowy Owl1: Oh, for certain there is "good" and "evil" and we all know what
it is, in ourselves.
Unnefer : satan= the false mind/ego
KITAIYLA : :)
Ravensong : :)
Crag Hack : Satan dosen't exist, excpet when created to control the masses by
fear
BoingoVH2 : sounds more like the "golden mean"
Unnefer : it is relative
Snowy Owl1: "Satan" is the...well..."prosecuting attorney" of the Hebrew
belief.
Ravensong : Scott...how much have you read of Religions?
Snowy Owl1: makes sure no one makes it into Heaven that doesnt deserve it.
Unnefer : there are many satans in hebrew myth
ScottD32 : Jesus LOVES you ALL!!
BoingoVH2 : bye.
Crag Hack : It's the old party line. "If you don't go to church every
sunday, then your going to hell"
Snowy Owl1: [have you considered my servant Job??]
Unnefer : heaven is in the true mind
Snowy Owl1: good to hear, scott, could use all the help i can get
Crag Hack : Or maybe, "If you don't comb hair right, your going to hell"
Unnefer : church=programming and lies
Snowy Owl1: i see, unn, that must be why i dont have it....
ScottD32 : I don't need to look any further
Ravensong : Don't we all want to be loved, Scott?
Unnefer : you are in hell
Snowy Owl1: <--- Lacking "True Mind" <hoot>
Ravensong : Scott, have you really ever even read your Bible?
Crag Hack : But the same also works in resverse. "If you don't worship
satan, I shall destroy you"
ScottD32 : I have found the cure for evil
ScottD32 : Daily
Snowy Owl1: [Raven, displaying "knowledge snobbery" strikes again....]
GaryG59 : what?
Crag Hack : I think both sides of the house, (Christ & Satan) are for the
birds.
Snowy Owl1: but what if one is not concerned by evil?
Unnefer : evil is good good is goood evil is evil
Crag Hack : They were created to confuse and to control!
Unnefer : yes!
Ravensong : Gretings, GreyLady stepping in for a few...
Ravensong : Hello Snowy love....
Snowy Owl1: Unnefer, do you work for the government, by any chance?
ScottD32 : What do you know about it raven
Unnefer : i work for reality
Crag Hack : Hitle did the same thing, he just called it Nazi. Stalin also
did it, So did we
Crag Hack : Except we call it law
KITAIYLA : greetings, Greylady....
Unnefer : never get to the point-but got alot to say!
Ravensong : Unnefer, are you speaking on a Junian basis or are you a
proponent of Sirley McClaine?
KITAIYLA : :)
Crag Hack : God should be like the air, natural. You should have work toward
God
Unnefer : forget new age that is dead
ScottD32 : Those without the spirit
Snowy Owl1: that's "Jungian"
GaryG59 : shirley'got nice leggs
Snowy Owl1: how about the Goddess, Crag?
Crag Hack : I mean you shouldn't have to work toward God! (Pardon me) :)
Ravensong : thank Snowy, I'm dyslexic you know
ScottD32 : do not know the things of God
Unnefer : i speak as i will
Crag Hack : God/Goddess, it's the same thing. Male.female gender is a human
thing.
Ravensong : I can't spell
Snowy Owl1: feel free.
Unnefer : god cannot be defined
Crag Hack : It's better for us to understand if we refer to God as God or
Goddess
ScottD32 : Creator
Snowy Owl1: yes, but duality is universal, so some basis for male/female must
exist...
Unnefer : intellect is the destructor
Ravensong : Crag, why?
Unnefer : unity is universe
Crag Hack : God, is you. And that plant, and this computer, and so , on, on
Unnefer : and non-unity is universe
GaryG59 : manitou?
Snowy Owl1: so is Goddess, Crag.. :)
Crag Hack : We also think that we are everything! That Earth is the center!
We have surprise coming soon!
Unnefer : god is the all and the nothing
Ravensong : Unnefer, that's a similar clncept to the school of Greek thought
that stated all is one
ScottD32 : For God so loved the world, that he sent his only son
Ravensong : nothing is seperate
Crag Hack : Snowy, If you pefer Goddess, I use the word Goddess
Snowy Owl1: Ahhh, having trouble with Secular Humanism lately, Crag?
Crag Hack : How can God have a son, if he's not human
Unnefer : I like the eastern philosophies better!
Crag Hack : lol, snowy
Snowy Owl1: :)
KlemClone : simple, he used the yellow pages
ScottD32 : not to condemn the world, but to save it through him
Snowy Owl1: i know quite a bit about them, Unnefer, please go ahead.
GaryG59 : turn to hymm 312 please
Unnefer : my snowy arent you opinionated! :)
Ravensong : but Unnefer, you are supporting the Greek philosphies with your
words...not the eastern
Crag Hack : Scott, you and the rock have the same heart beat, but is yours as
peaceful as the rock's?
Unnefer : unity is the absolute-i am a buddhist
Snowy Owl1: opinionated? of course! there is no such thing as a "pure fact"
so why bother?
ScottD32 : Yes
Snowy Owl1: Raven, please dont be so Intellectually Snobbish....it isnt
becoming.
Ravensong : but you sound greek
Unnefer : yes snowy i agree, not take it so seriously! :)
GaryG59 : shave your head?
Ravensong : I'm not Raven...
Snowy Owl1: Telling someone they are wrong is not establish rapport, it is
useless argument.
Crag Hack : Folks, before we go on, lets announce ourselfs. If we call
oursefls something, what is it?
Ravensong : remember?
ScottD32 : The peace that passes all understanding
Unnefer : no i dont shave my head!
Snowy Owl1: [yes, i know....]
GaryG59 : saffron robes?
Snowy Owl1: I've always thought it must be terribly frustrating to be Right,
Scott. Is it?
Ravensong : Snowy, just trying to identify the style of thought, not correct
someone - sorry if I came off
Ravensong : wrong!
Unnefer : no! i am not a monk!
Crag Hack : Scott, how do you know your right?
ScottD32 : Jesus is right
Unnefer : jesus is dead!
Crag Hack : How do you know Jesus is right?
GaryG59 : sufi?
ScottD32 : Jesus is alive
Crag Hack : Unnefer, don't insult him. He has a right
Snowy Owl1: Then it must be terribly frustrating for you that not everyone
will simply recognize that fact.
Unnefer : that is an islamic sect gary!
Ravensong : If you beleive he lives in your heart, Scott, then he does...
ScottD32 : He gave me his spirit
Unnefer : right is relative to the individuals will
Crag Hack : So true Ravensong.
Snowy Owl1: I feel sorry for you. It is so hard to maintain a conversation
with us "wrong" people.
Ravensong : Each person's belief is what they wish it to be, each person's
universe is what they make it
Snowy Owl1: yes, and...
GaryG59 : whirling dervish?
Crag Hack : Scott, I happy for you. I believe differently. But I think
we'll go to the same place
ScottD32 : Whom do you believe Raven??
KlemClone : "When the truth of your life is too terrible, you revert to a
religion based on simple lies."
Crag Hack : Which religion are you talking about KlemClone?
ScottD32 : Only one way
Ravensong : Scott, I am Raven's roommate, and I believe what my heart tells
me to be true...
Snowy Owl1: "Dimsie doats and dosie doats, and little lambsy divy"
ScottD32 : JESUS!!
Ravensong : in whatever language it needs to express itself
KITAIYLA : lol
Crag Hack : Scott, what happens if your wrong?
KITAIYLA : ?
Ravensong : Scott, the basis for peace is understanding - this is hare to
attain with a closed mind
Snowy Owl1: Scott, calm down....you must accept that you can never "convert"
here, only discuss.
ScottD32 : Not a chance
Ravensong : allow other's their own opinions and their own beliefs
Snowy Owl1: whoops! time for party hats!
KITAIYLA : many others have been wrong..........
Snowy Owl1: *****<B)
KITAIYLA : ?
Unnefer : what a fool i am!
GaryG59 : jimmy swaggert, right?
ScottD32 : Dont lead them to hell
Snowy Owl1: why?
Crag Hack : Are you sure? For your sake, I hope your not wrong
Ravensong : perhaps, Scott, we are all wrong, and the truth is unknown to any
of us as yet..
ScottD32 : Swaggert is human
Ravensong : can you consider that?
Snowy Owl1: [Mumbo Jumbo, Lord of the Congo, may gnaw on our bones yet....]
Crag Hack : lol, snowy
KITAIYLA : :)
Ravensong : LOL
ScottD32 : Try Jesus, You'll see
Ravensong : I have Scott...
KITAIYLA : jesus is a myth
Ravensong : You tell me nothing I haven't known
Snowy Owl1: I already DO pray to Jesus, Scott. And know my Bible very well.
Crag Hack : Jesus works in many ways, Scott. Remember that. How he works
with you may not be how
Crag Hack : he works with me
Ravensong : What is strength to you Scott, may not be to others
GaryG59 : jesus was a jew.
ScottD32 : Do you believe in him??
Crag Hack : I am Jew, by birth! So, what?
KITAIYLA : jesus was NOT a jew
ScottD32 : yes he was
GaryG59 : no?
KITAIYLA : no
Unnefer : if he was a myth cant he be anything?
H and H3 : yes
Crag Hack : I believe Jesus was a great man. He had vision. But he was a
danger to the government
Snowy Owl1: [here we go again...] what do you mean by "believe" ??
Crag Hack : so they destroyed him
GaryG59 : what was he then?
KITAIYLA : lol I guess
Snowy Owl1: For your information, Jesus WAS a Jew (traced family line to
David, remember)
Ravensong : I believe he was a very brilliant and learned prophet, yes he WAS
a Jew folks...
ScottD32 : And Son of God
KITAIYLA : uh oh...........stand corrected
Crag Hack : I don't think what the bible says Jesus did and said is all true.
Ravensong : If you believe, then yes Scott, he was
GaryG59 : victory at last!
Ravensong : for you
Crag Hack : The bible has been changed thoughout history to suit the
govenments needs
KITAIYLA : :)
Snowy Owl1: could say some VERY interesting things about the "son of God"
stuff, but i dont wish to insult.
Crag Hack : The bible's been a perfect tool for control!
ScottD32 : How about you Ravensong
Unnefer : how does government fit into the equation?
Ravensong : to me, we are all sons and daughters of a god that we are all
intimately part of
ScottD32 : No way Hack
Snowy Owl1: Good for you, Crag, always question authority!
Snowy Owl1: [heh heh]
Unnefer : crag- you may be right
KITAIYLA : bye bye....back later
Crag Hack : The Pope was government! "You know, the Holy See"
Ravensong : Quoting Father Leary Snowy? go team go!
KITAIYLA : ok
Crag Hack : thanks Snowy! I do always question.
ScottD32 : Pope is human too
Unnefer : then you mean the chatholics?
Crag Hack : Agreed! But so was christ!
ScottD32 : Not God
GaryG59 : jesus could have been Sioux!
KITAIYLA : {neither for the moment, i guess}
Snowy Owl1: [anyone hear know much of Mahayanan Buddhism?]
Crag Hack : Everybody has changed the bible. The bapist bible is different
from the Moroom bible
Unnefer : yes
Unnefer : i am a mahayana buddhist
Crag Hack : the morroom bible is different from The word, bible. etc...
Snowy Owl1: then you must know how amazingly similar Christ and the Buddha
are, yes?
KlemClone : higher vehicles, lower vehicles, just don't get a flat!
ScottD32 : One word One God
Crag Hack : How can everybody's bible be right?
Ravensong : Crag, true! There have been FAR too many "interpretations"
Unnefer : and krishna...
Snowy Owl1: [Bible here, Bible there, Bible, Bible, everywhere....]
KITAIYLA : lol
Crag Hack : Forgot about the Unnefer! Ture, they have a different bible too
Unnefer : jesus=buddha=krishna=osiris
Crag Hack : lol
ScottD32 : Buddah is still in his grave
Ravensong : but if you wish to trace it to it's more original languages, it's
a valuble historical document
JammerSAC : who who
Crag Hack : Unnefer, I meant I forgot about the Kershers (I spelt it wrong)
Snowy Owl1: Has any one of you ever considered that the Secular Humanists may
be right?
Unnefer : not hari-krishnas-i mean the man!
Snowy Owl1: That this is all......IT? Nothing more?
Ravensong : Unnefer.........=eris=athena=isis=aphrodite=zeus....ad nausem!
Crag Hack : The Kabalahh! That's the orgin of the bible. Although it
forbiddne to read it
H and H3 : The King James verson is translated from the orginal greek text
Crag Hack : If you can find it
Snowy Owl1: [the very thought makes one desire Cheerios, doesnt it?]
Unnefer : ad infinitum
Ravensong : The King James is NOT a direct translation
KlemClone : And the greek from the arametic(?), and the arametic from
heresay...
Ravensong : Unnefer...!!!
Snowy Owl1: sorry, H and H, most of the original text was lost by
then...also, we have proof of changes.
Unnefer : wait raven! - only the solar-phallic deities work!
Ravensong : true
ScottD32 : Correct translation
GaryG59 : cherrios and bananas
Crag Hack : It's immpossible to translate perfectly!
Snowy Owl1: Exodus 22:18, for instance (and boy has THAT one been bad)
Ravensong : Unnefer, not true..all are connected
Unnefer : like unnefer/osiris
Ravensong : as all peoples are connected
Crag Hack : Scoot, who's bible is a correct translation? Mine or yours?
ScottD32 : Gods word remains unchanged
Snowy Owl1: I.A.O. Kali!
Unnefer : well yes but they are closser to christ
Snowy Owl1: Hail, Hecate!
KITAIYLA : IAO?
Crag Hack : So my word is wrong, and you word is right?
Snowy Owl1: Praise Jesus!
Unnefer : iao is a sollar phallic deity)abraxas)?
Ravensong : Hail Eris! All Hail Discordia!
Crag Hack : Praise Me!
Snowy Owl1: [its a term of adoration]
Unnefer : nam myo ho renge kyo
KITAIYLA : ?
ScottD32 : Jesus is right
Crag Hack : And while we're at it, Praise Choas!
Ravensong : IAO PAN
Snowy Owl1: Blessed Be the Lord and Lady!
GaryG59 : praise 57 chevy
Ravensong : Chaos!
KlemClone : oh, let's not get Nichrien about this!
ScottD32 : Jesus
Unnefer : chaos is the father?
KlemClone : Nam me o get 'cha want ti...
ScottD32 : God the Father
Crag Hack : Balance is the father!
Ravensong : Unnefer, not gender specific, there
H and H3 : your all sick come judgement day well see!!!!!
Snowy Owl1: |||||||rolling bowling ball into room||||||
Crag Hack : God is Balance!
Ravensong : is where you're hung up
KITAIYLA : lol
Unnefer : raven what??
ScottD32 : Praise God!!!!!!!!
Snowy Owl1: ahhh, yes, we cant be converted, so we are "sick" eh?
KITAIYLA : very
GaryG59 : got to go now
Snowy Owl1: *sigh* same old story....the Christians are about to all go off
in a huff and just start tellin
Crag Hack : We'll if Judgement comes, then we shall see. We shall see! I
think you'll be surprised!
Unnefer : no there is only unity man/woman = different aspect of the same
thing
KITAIYLA : hitler thought the same thing....
Snowy Owl1: us how wrong we are. Pity.
JammerSAC : who who
ScottD32 : Jesus will save you Owl
Ravensong : Gary, Good Night and Take Care
Snowy Owl1: I think not, Crag.
Ravensong : Jesus Saves but the Mongol Hordes...
Unnefer : hilter? madman/geniuss?
ScottD32 : Ask Him
Ravensong : Unnefer, both. There's a very fine line...
JammerSAC : hoot
Snowy Owl1: He will, Scott? Awfully nice of him. From what do I need to be
saved?
KITAIYLA : madman AND genius.....mostly madman
Unnefer : yes that is why i put a / in there!
ScottD32 : Sin
Ravensong : Scott, Hitler was a Catholic too
Unnefer : both
KlemClone : Just wait 'till 2000AD... at 1000AD much of Christendom panic'd
at every stray meteor...
Snowy Owl1: but, I dont Sin, Crag.
Crag Hack : Sin? What's sin?
Snowy Owl1: have no basis for it...
ScottD32 : Hitler was human
KlemClone : DOES GOD LOVE ROUND NUMBERS?
KITAIYLA : hitler was a dog
Unnefer : sin is restriction
Greylord : Pleasant Candlemas all...
Unnefer : of the individual's will!
ScottD32 : God loves all but hates sin in man
Greylord : :)
Ravensong : sin is admitting there is something to be guilty about
KITAIYLA : hi
Crag Hack : If I'm going to burn cause of my sins, then I'm already is
serious trouble! :)
Snowy Owl1: *woof*
JammerSAC : hello greylord, just another night at church
Ravensong : I don't acept limitations
Unnefer : hell is right here on earth!
KlemClone : Ah! Someone remembered GroundHog day (:= Candlemass). Good form!
ScottD32 : Jesus saves
Greylord : :0
Snowy Owl1: [i know, unnfer, i was in Jersey once too!]
Greylord : Moses invests...
Unnefer : buddha knows
KITAIYLA : Jesus hurts
Ravensong : Greetings Lord ;) guess who's hiding under Raven's name....
Crag Hack : Oh, I'm righteous and Just, In myself I trust, Cause I know it
all!!!
Unnefer : lol at snowy
Greylord : I wonder....
Ravensong : Eris laughs
ScottD32 : Lesus LOves you
Snowy Owl1: now, what was the Celtic holiday, Lor?
Unnefer : eris laughs and people listen
KITAIYLA : Jesus loves very few
Ravensong : Which one Mi?
LOGAN 21 : Right on Scott
Greylord : Scott...He loves you too...even if you DO try His patience...
Greylord : :)
Snowy Owl1: what is the next Washington State lottery number, Crag, i could
really use it.
ScottD32 : Jesus knows his own
Unnefer : where is jesus?
Ravensong : Greetings Logon
Crag Hack : lol, Snowy
JammerSAC : hoot
KITAIYLA : jesus who?
Snowy Owl1: Candlemas, what was it in Celtic....i forget [embarrased]
LOGAN 21 : Hi raven
Snowy Owl1: <hoot> to Crag
Ravensong : I know my own by scent, does He work that way?
Unnefer : the myth or the reality of these fine people
ScottD32 : Jesus Christ
Greylord : :)
Ravensong : AH that holiday...
KITAIYLA : jesus WHO???????
Unnefer : ????
Ravensong : I forget too
Snowy Owl1: is it Lugh? Are we in Lugh?
Unnefer : christ
KITAIYLA : oooooooooh....him
ScottD32 : Christ
Snowy Owl1: "Christ" is a title, people.
Snowy Owl1: Jesus is the name.
Greylord : Scott...where did J.C. instruct you to "ram" Him down the throat
of others?
KITAIYLA : :)
Ravensong : Snowy, not yet to your last IM question
Unnefer : how many jesuses do you know anyway?
KITAIYLA : lol
Greylord : :)
ScottD32 : The spirit
Crag Hack : Any body take "The Course in Miracles"
Greylord : Oh....Can you SHOW me that?
KlemClone : Which Jesus (Easu). The Jesus of Mark? Luke? John? Paul? (Seth, I
hope not Paul!)
Ravensong : "I don't care if it rains or freezes..."
Snowy Owl1: well, "ravensong" everybody around here has been saying
it...shocked me out of 10 year of life.
Unnefer : oh i see the different accounts of jesus...
ScottD32 : Gods only Son!!
Snowy Owl1: "....long as I have my plastic Jesus...."
Unnefer : ahhhh
Crag Hack : The Course in Miracles is a course you can take that teaches you
about the universe
Greylord : Klem....Jesus Metzgold...my grocer..
Unnefer : man is gods son
Greylord : :)
Crag Hack : and how to make miracles
KITAIYLA : which god?
Unnefer : son is gods man
Ravensong : Sorry Snowy, it's a proposel as of yet, where were you last night
anyway?
ScottD32 : Man is Gods creation
KITAIYLA : lol
Unnefer : man made god in HIS image
KlemClone : God's been around... he could have more than one (and NO, I'm not
throwing nasty sexual inuendo)
KITAIYLA : amen
Snowy Owl1: Talking to Kit, late at night. I TRIED to find you.
Greylord : Well said Un...
Greylord : :)
Crag Hack : Actually, God is mans creation. God never called himself "God"
Greylord : Least he TRIES to....
Greylord : :)
Ravensong : god is an anomaly in quantum physics, actually
ScottD32 : God is
Unnefer : :)
Snowy Owl1: MAY I ASK EVERYONE A QUESTION???
KITAIYLA : ???????
Greylord : Sure..
Ravensong : Snowy, I am sorry, really
Crag Hack : Ravensong, ever read any Robert Heinlien?
Ravensong : yes
Snowy Owl1: is there ACTUALLY any point to this discussion besides showing
how much we know about our
Snowy Owl1: Religions?
Tangent : Hi all :)
KITAIYLA : no
Greylord : Hi Tan-baby...
KlemClone : Good point, Ravensong, is the cat in the box dead, or confused?
Ravensong : Greetings Tangent
JammerSAC : no snowy
Unnefer : the ultimate quantum reality is god????? no!
Tangent : Hi Grey :D
LOGAN 21 : Why are you so against God Luncefer
Snowy Owl1: and pretending we know enough about those of others to judge?
Ravensong : un-dead!
Crag Hack : The Number of The Beast, and Stranger in a Strange Land!!!!
Tangent : Hiya Raven ;)
Ravensong : yes
Unnefer : man is god or god is man?!
Snowy Owl1: "Popping the Quiff" is the term... if i recall.
Unnefer : ha!
KlemClone : Ah, I saw that movie, must have missed the cat, though!
Greylord : Snowy....I am a "Bailey-ite"...
ScottD32 : God judges
KITAIYLA : god is man
Greylord : :)
Ravensong : it's Greylady actually, but Raven's trying to get the keyboard
back...
Unnefer : right!
Snowy Owl1: BOB KNOWS ALL, SEES ALL, TELLS LESS.
Crag Hack : I judge! And since I judge, (and you do too) I and you are God?
:)
Ravensong : kaos kat Klem...
KITAIYLA : and then again............
Unnefer : actualy a bit if both!
Ravensong : Snowy LOL
Snowy Owl1: *......Church Of The Subgenius....*
KlemClone : Never admit your TRUE NAME... there's a story about that,
somewhere...
Snowy Owl1: :)
Crag Hack : I know what you don't! I know what you won't! I know it all! I
know it all!!!
KITAIYLA : :)
JammerSAC : Thanks for the interesting but constantly endless arguement. Its
like politics.
Unnefer : what all?
Greylord : <--- First Church of the Immaculate Orgasm...
Ravensong : I know the rest Crag!!!!!
Greylord : :)
Crag Hack : lol, GreyLord
KITAIYLA : lol
Snowy Owl1: Klem, it comes to us from the ceremonial tradition of Magick,
they believed that names bound
Unnefer : lol at greylord
Snowy Owl1: the creature they were associated with.
Ravensong : Is an immaculate conception a new word for safe sex?
Crag Hack : Actually Ravensong, I only know half of everything, the rest I
make up! :)
Snowy Owl1: |||||throwing Beer Nuts at Ravensong|||||||
Crag Hack : lol
Unnefer : immaculate DECEPTION!
ScottD32 : Jesus LOVES YOU!!!
Ravensong : or is it a claen mind?
Greylord : Safe sex = mast********!
Greylord : :)
Crag Hack : That was low Ravensong! Good! But a cheap shot! :)
Snowy Owl1: yes yes yes yes YES! Scott..so you have told us over and over
and over and over and over.
Unnefer : your only right if i agree with you
Greylord : Scott...I think He is getting a little upset with you though!
KITAIYLA : give it a break, Scott
JasonT9 : interesting concept
Ravensong : Scott, tell him I love him too if he's gonna be so insistant
Greylord : :)
Ravensong : you seem to be his main spokesman
Snowy Owl1: What an utterly Plebian comment, Unnefer.
ScottD32 : Never
Ravensong : or are you self-appointed?
Greylord : LOL
Unnefer : ha!
KITAIYLA : lol
Crag Hack : Well folks, I must now tell, I am God! And I've been watching
thoose who don't follow my WORD!
KITAIYLA : how are you tonight,Lee?
Greylord : So....how about them Mets???
Snowy Owl1: well, getting time to fly... Im going to steal Kit away from you
and leave you all holding...
Greylord : :)
Unnefer : my my do i love reality
Ravensong : League of Pushy Preachers...Self Appointed Chapter Head....
Snowy Owl1: your various philisophical wangers! *laugh* have fun!
KITAIYLA : lol
Greylord : :)
ScottD32 : He does love you Ravensong, come to him
Crag Hack : lol
KlemClone : I must say this is the most interesting room I've been in this
evening; and imagine that...
KlemClone : GOD's here too!
Ravensong : Snowy, I'll be on as myself a bit later, will you be around?
Unnefer : there is no jesus here
ScottD32 : You are right Clone
Ravensong : Klem.....I LIKE YOU!!!!!!!
Crag Hack : Well, scott, believe what you will. But, please, God never said
to force him upon anyone
KITAIYLA : no, raven...he is off for the evening
Greylord : Scott...You show me in the Bible where it says to force others to
Jesus and I'll come..
Unnefer : the christian god is corrupt and evil-he restricts ones will
Crag Hack : I thought you where supposed to come to God of your own free
will.
Greylord : Crag...so it says.
Greylord : Scott thinks differently.
ScottD32 : Jesus Wants us to share the Gospel
Unnefer : the collective (god/christ) cant experience my consciousness!
Tangent : brb
Greylord : Share is not "ram"
KlemClone : Free will is YHVH's curse on us all
Ravensong : Share, not scream Scott
Greysoul : hail all....
ScottD32 : It is in the Bible
Greylord : Hail Soul...
Crag Hack : Unnfer, you just as bad! How can you say scott's religion is
evil!
Greysoul : brb.........reading e-mail
Unnefer : crag you are right i am!
Crag Hack : I have no love for the Christain church, be really. FREEDOM DOES
EXIST!!!!!
Greylord : Scott...YOUR way is not in the Bible.
ScottD32 : This is not screaming
Greysoul : bak
Crag Hack : Remember folks, Freedom!!!!
ScottD32 : Gods way
Unnefer : evil is the restriction of free will
Greysoul : hail raven
Crag Hack : evil does't exist
Ravensong : Everyone, BACK TO RAVENSONG FOR A WHILE - GREYLADY WILL BE ON IN
20 MIN OR A FEW LESS...
Ravensong : BYE
Greylord : Jesus spoke only to those who WANTED to listen...you try to make
people hear you.
KlemClone : Freedom for what? Freedom from what? Freedom is like salvation,
it requires a counterpoint.
Ravensong : Scott, what is Gods way?
Unnefer : feedom from the collective
Greysoul : hail raven
Ravensong : Greetings all...I'm back to my keyboard...have been watching the
incoming....
Unnefer : freedom arg!
Greylord : :)
Crag Hack : Freedom from anything you chose to be free from!
Ravensong : Freedom to chose, Scott?
KlemClone : Argv? Argc?
ScottD32 : To believe in His Son and be saved
Ravensong : Then why do you insist that we chose your way?
Greysoul : i have a question
Unnefer : free from the psuedo religions
Greylord : Soul???
Greysoul : what are you talking about
Crag Hack : Freedom from everything! Balance is the key
ScottD32 : Jesus's way
Ravensong : Can't we chjoose our own way?
Greylord : Scott is talking Jesus...
Unnefer : i agree balance is the key!
KlemClone : Scott is right, belief is the heart of it. If you believe you're
bad, you may well burn in hell
Ravensong : Jesus only showed one path of many to the road
ScottD32 : The wages of sin is death
Crag Hack : Unnefer, I can't believe it, we agree! :)
Greylord : Raven....very well said.
Ravensong : Scott...what is sin?
Crag Hack : what's sin? Boy have I sined, and I'm still here :)
Ravensong : Isn't it a concept of relativity?
Ravensong : Thank you M'Lord....
VictorA6 : hello to ya..
Unnefer : yes! we do that is my whole philosophy-balance!
ScottD32 : The gift from God is life everlasting
Greylord : Hiya' Vic...
KlemClone : let's not drag Einstein back from the grave...
Ravensong : Crag, sinned in whoose mind?
Greysoul : hial victor
ScottD32 : Through Jesus
Unnefer : i am god, cus i am man!
VictorA6 : h'lo greylord and greysoul as well.
Ravensong : Scott, you're not responding to the conversation...thats the
whole idea of dialog...
Crag Hack : Ravensong, I don't I ever sinned. However, I bet Scott (if he
knew what I've done) would think
Crag Hack : I have
WALKER4 : congratulations
Ravensong : ....talk to us, not just monologue us to sleep....
VictorA6 : so, exactly what are you talking about guys?
Greylord : Scott...you should pray to Jesus that He open your eyes...
ScottD32 : What is so bad Hack
Crag Hack : I think we'll down here to learn. Whatever we do, we learn.
Even if it mean murder
Ravensong : Hello Victor, we're trying to discuss the universe as we know
it....
Unnefer : Scott your jesus is not my jesus, cuz my jesus is me!
Greylord : Maybe some day He will....
Ravensong : can you build us an example of reality to show off?
KlemClone : beats the hell outta me (which is GOOD from a Christian
perspective)
Crag Hack : The murderer is learning and so is the murdered person
ScottD32 : You can't save yourself
Unnefer : good is relative to the individual, not the collective as in
christianity
VictorA6 : oh! well quarrel no further because I am..
Ravensong : ...can you save us Scott?
Greylord : Did anyone here say they could?
Crag Hack : Why not? Doesn't Jesus work through you?
ScottD32 : Jesus is reality!
Greysoul : you are who ?
Ravensong : ...if you're selling salvation, we're not buying today thank
you....
ScottD32 : Jesus Saves
Unnefer : no!
Crag Hack : Yeap, I said I can save everybody!
Unnefer : lol at raven
Greylord : Dutch Finski saves too...same bank as me.
Greysoul : victor.......you are who ?
Ravensong : ....We've been thru that before scott, all we proved is we all
know lots of gods and verbs
VictorA6 : no, Jesus is love..
Crag Hack : I am the Messiah. The Superhero. Or The Quizak Satterack!
Ravensong : We have nothing to dislike about love Victor...
Unnefer : the only jesus i see is destruction and restriction
ScottD32 : Hello Victor
Ravensong : ...threats of doom and gloom are not love.
ScottD32 : P.T.L.
VictorA6 : I am Vic from McAllen, TX..I just signed on last night.
KlemClone : Unnefer, your vision is obscured
Crag Hack : PTL? Goodness!
VictorA6 : hi scott
Ravensong : Scott...thats a defunct network... try ABC or CBS or NBC
Unnefer : praise man for he walks the earth and shall be king
Greylord : Vic....welcome!
Greysoul : scott.....p t l
KITAIYLA : hi greysoul!!!!!
VictorA6 : threats what threats?..
Crag Hack : Hi Vic. Wellcome to the Thursday night fights!
KITAIYLA : are we STILL doing this god bit?
Greysoul : hi kitaiyla
Ravensong : Vic...watch out, we shatter realities here....
Crag Hack : lol
Ravensong : by mistake some believe.....
Unnefer : Praise The Lunatics
ScottD32 : Jesus preaches LOVE
VictorA6 : very enjoyable, crag hack.
KlemClone : A King is measured by the compassion and wisdom of his rule. We
admit we fail, need God's help!
WALKER4 : p t l go to hot sex talk
Unnefer : hate!
Ravensong : Greetings Henry...welcome to the Grove of Avalon
Greysoul : scott do you follow p t l ?
VictorA6 : thanx ravensong
ScottD32 : Hold on to Jesus Vic
Greylord : Actually...there should be no quarrel here...any who work toward
good intention have a kinship.
VictorA6 : I do
ScottD32 : I follow Jesus
Crag Hack : Viva La Hate!
ScottD32 : Not man
Unnefer : man is god we must "help" ourselves
VictorA6 : think of death as a pie in the face from God..
Crag Hack : agreed Greylord
Ravensong : Scott...you can't always follow, someday you must lead
yourself....
Crag Hack : Well said, Ravensong!
Unnefer : good point raven!!
Unnefer : !
Crag Hack : Well said, indeed!
ScottD32 : I tried that Raven
Ravensong : :)
ScottD32 : It don't work
Ravensong : ...and what happened to change your way Scott
Unnefer : and failed obviously...
Greysoul : why are we fighting about this we all have our own belief on what
is right
VictorA6 : do you guys do this often
KlemClone : we see here (electronically) many mansions
Ravensong : Greetingsd Pine Grove....
VictorA6 : hi pine
PINE GROVE: HI GUYS
Unnefer : right is only relavent to the.......etc...
ScottD32 : Jesus saved me from death
ALANPM : hi pine grove
VictorA6 : h'lo greg
Ravensong : Scott...do you always give up so easily to failure to find
yourself a path?
Crag Hack : Greysoul, we're humans. We love to fight. (Go ahead, i dare ya.
Hit me. Go on) :)
VictorA6 : how so, scott?
Unnefer : oh no born again??
KITAIYLA : lol
GregH22 : hey vic
Greysoul : :) crag
ScottD32 : Drugs
KlemClone : and when you die Scott, Jesus will come to take you on. If you
believe, IT WILL HAPPEN!
Ravensong : Greetings Greg, welcome to the Left side of Reality as you know
it....
Crag Hack : Oh, no, Not that old party line. "Drugs"!
Greysoul : lol raven
Greysoul : :)
Ravensong : Drugs are a fault of your own, not of the worlds Scott
GregH22 : thank you
VictorA6 : just what does lol mean?
Ravensong : LOL = Lots of Laughs
ScottD32 : Right Raven
Unnefer : jesus is right here next to me...boy is he...
Greysoul : lol= laughing out loud
Ravensong : :)
Crag Hack : Drugs is man-made!
Greysoul : :)
VictorA6 : thanx raven
Ravensong : Then Scott, why did you need someone else to lead you from your
own actions?
VictorA6 : drugs are evil materialized
KlemClone : Unnefer, I've heard he likes pizza, feed him pizza.
Greysoul : both
Unnefer : lol
GregH22 : hi wee
Weetah Wee: Hi
Ravensong : Victor, drugs abused are wrong, used correctly are medicine.
ScottD32 : I can't save myself
VictorA6 : hi wee
Crag Hack : Wait, Victor. Lets not start another fight!
VictorA6 : true to an extent.
Unnefer : scott your lost without yourself-given up the mind to the
collective
GregH22 : where you from wee
Ravensong : Why do you belive you have to have someone change your life for
you?
ScottD32 : Whome do you really believe Ravensong
Weetah Wee: From Ohio
KlemClone : Neither could Christ, he called upon his father for help.
Correctly, an example for us all.
GregH22 : what part
Unnefer : boy jesus sure does like pizza
KITAIYLA : lol
VictorA6 : someone doesn't change your life you change it yourself.
Crag Hack : lol
Unnefer : well said!
KlemClone : trust me, he likes poker too, (but watch his sleeves...)
Ravensong : Good evening M'Lord Grey...thy Lady shjall be on after me...have
a pleasant sleep
VictorA6 : hi king
Unnefer : lol
Ravensong : We must all pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps or we shall
not understnad
Ravensong : the good we can do in life, scott.
Unnefer : oh jesus...no stop tickling me....no!
Weetah Wee: Gwydian sends his regards...couldn't be here tonight
Ravensong : Greetings newcomers...welcome back unto the Grove of Avalon
Unnefer : bad jesus...bad jesus!...no supper for you!
Ravensong : Scott, you have to take responsibility for yourself....
Greysoul : this is getting childish
ScottD32 : Actions don't give you eternal life Raven
KINGDUNK : victora6 hello from corpus christi tx
VictorA6 : that's in bad taste unnefer!
KlemClone : I've yet to Authur (Ours), or even a random druid wandering
through
Unnefer : well we are all children of the world!
VictorA6 : Hello to you king from McAllen!
Unnefer : sorry vic
KlemClone : to see Authur, that is (parity hit)
Ravensong : Eternal life? Scott, I believe that there is no end nor begining
just a forever
VictorA6 : not really we are children of what we believe
VictorA6 : apology accepted
Unnefer : yes
KINGDUNK : what kind of machine are you using victora6
ScottD32 : There is 2 eternities
Ravensong : ...Klem...I live with a druid amoungst others....
Unnefer : ok
ScottD32 : Heaven or hell
VictorA6 : 1000ex, king how bout you?
ScottD32 : You choose Raven
Ravensong : Greetings all newcomers...welcomer to the Grove, where religion
is the topic, evidently
Greysoul : this convo is not for me :( i'll be bak later in the eve.
Unnefer : Scott where are you going?
Greysoul : see ya
KINGDUNK : the commodore colt xt/clone
Ravensong : see you Greysoul, take care
ScottD32 : Heaven
KlemClone : Can you get me a bulk discount on a faeri ring (1 heelstone, 5
followers?)
VictorA6 : good computer, king?
Ravensong : Scott...I will make my own heaven or Hell...as shall you....
Unnefer : where is heaven(isnt in the mind)
Ravensong : Drugs were your hell once....
Unnefer : !
ScottD32 : Jesus saved me from hell
Ravensong : ....Working for others for mere coinage is mine from time to time
VictorA6 : well put raven
KINGDUNK : excellent . does the job just need a HD 20-30 megs
Ravensong : Hell teaches you many things, as does Heaven.
VictorA6 : how did he save you scottt?
Unnefer : how did you see him?
ScottD32 : Who will really save you Raven
VictorA6 : how's the climate in Chorpus
KINGDUNK : gotta go victor!
Ravensong : Scott....my own knowledge and wisdom will save me if I need
saving....
Unnefer : here here!
ScottD32 : By pulling me from the Pits Vic
VictorA6 : ok! well I'll see ya around..sleep tight(VIC)
Ravensong : You have to learn to be selfsufficient iun the game of life....
VictorA6 : I understand what he did but how is my question/
Ravensong : Goodnight Victor, I hope this didn't phase you too badly...its
been a rough night
ScottD32 : You can't save yourself
Ravensong : why?
Unnefer : i already have scott!
KlemClone : no, Raven, you have to learn that you're NOT self sufficient,
even if you only depend on yoursef
VictorA6 : Oh! sorru I'm not leaving King is sorry if I confused you.
ScottD32 : It is by grace we are saved
Ravensong : Oh, glad you can stay Victor....
ScottD32 : not by works of our own
Ravensong : Grace? Describe this Grace....
Unnefer : it is by knowledge that we may save ourselves!
Ravensong : Your words are stilted and don't explain enough
Ravensong : Scott
VictorA6 : we can save ourselves scott that is why we have a will..
ScottD32 : God's love for his believers
Unnefer : !!!!true will
Ravensong : Scott, why would your benificent god create a race of sheep when
he already made sheep?
ScottD32 : Sorry vic
KlemClone : Grace actually exists (I'm not being cynical), and there are
"concentrations" you can hit
VictorA6 : Raven don't rough'im up to badly..
Unnefer : oh where klem
ScottD32 : He loves us
Ravensong : Scott...I said before, I believe and Know the power of love, and
Love doesn't
Unnefer : i believe in myself so i am god scott
Ravensong : demand we become its slave
KlemClone : well, I ran smack dab into some a few years ago along the
Applachian Trail
Ravensong : Love simply is.
Unnefer : :)
Unnefer : !
Ravensong : Greetings Urshy!
VictorA6 : you believe in yourself buy!, you are mortal..
KlemClone : i'm not kidding, it was terrifying, and then ... (well you know,
better than sex)
Ravensong : Welcome back Greysoul...the battle of words rambles on....
ScottD32 : Nice talking to you all
Urshy : Im leaving this is stupid
Unnefer : ha ha klem!:)
VictorA6 : hi greysoul
ScottD32 : Jesus does love you
VictorA6 : fine be that way urshy
Greysoul : raven when does catlady m get on-line haven't talked to her
in a long time :)
Ravensong : Ah, the words too tough for you scott?
Unnefer : i doubt it
ScottD32 : And so do I
Ravensong : Catlady is taking a rest, since our bill was posted....
KlemClone : a most powerful experience, for me. I don't know if Scott speaks
of the same thing..
Unnefer : OH NO!
Greysoul : :)
Ravensong : Greetings Paramedic, welcome
Paramedic6: hello
ScottD32 : Gods word too tough for you Raven
Urshy : ScottD32 I agree with you God Does love you
VictorA6 : hello paramedics
Greysoul : tell her i said hi
Paramedic6: hello
Des2 : Des says Jesus is Lord!
Unnefer : gods word is man's word
Ravensong : Scott...God hasn't said anything lately
Ravensong : (at least not yours)
Des2 : The Lord God omnipotent reighneth
VictorA6 : see..that is where you are wrong unnefer..
ScottD32 : Listen Raven with your heart
Unnefer : scott who created your god...maybe MAN!
Ravensong : Des...not you too?
Unnefer : !
Des2 : Raven...if you didn't hear God...you weren't listening
VictorA6 : wrong again unnefer
Ravensong : Scott...I have always followed my heart
ScottD32 : Hi Des P.T.L.
Des2 : There can be no design without a Designer
Greysoul : scott...i went to 12 years of catholic school and god never said
anything new in the 12 years
Ravensong : Des, I have heard many gods...which one is yours?
VictorA6 : hello des
Des2 : Hi Scott...Hallelujah!
Unnefer : oh? vic explain-i am only wrong if i agree with you!
KlemClone : if YHVH has all bets covered, why does he insist that we not
"bring false gods before him?"
ScottD32 : :)
Unnefer : IHVH
Des2 : King of Kings...Lord of Lords....Yehweh...Jehovah God
Des2 : Hi Victor
KlemClone : he shouldn't care.. it shouldn't matter
Ravensong : oh, are you Jewish Des?
Unnefer : TETRAGRAMMATON
ScottD32 : Amen Des
Des2 : To proteckt you Klem
Ravensong : Sorry...I thought you were like Scott a Christian
VictorA6 : well now i forgot what i was going to say
ScottD32 : He is
Des2 : Not the last time I checked, Raven
Ravensong : Then why are you refering to the God of the Jews?
VictorA6 : i'm Christian
Des2 : I am uncircumcised, however....:0
Unnefer : christ is the devil today
KlemClone : I appreciate the thought ( if not the charm... where did that
stigmata come from?)
VictorA6 : how so, unnefer?
Des2 : The Jews ....Israel.....was a type of the Church, Raven
Ravensong : Paramedic...I fear you've walked into one of our Us vs them
religion things again....
Unnefer : because i will it to be!
Des2 : The devil DOES parade around as an angel of light Unnefer
Des2 : guess he fooled you
Ravensong : Des, if you believe what you say then why are you worshippping
someone else's god?
VictorA6 : and who empowers you to stand on the altar
Unnefer : yes his name is jesus-and you've been deceived!
ScottD32 : Right on
KlemClone : "I'd give up my halo for a horn, and the horn for a hat I once
had.."
Unnefer : just kidding
Des2 : God belongs to all who will receive Him
Greysoul : the devil is in all of us but most of us choose not to listen to
him
Unnefer : or not...
ScottD32 : Wrong uni
Unnefer : !?
Paramedic6: That's fine, I always enjoy watching people who don't have any
idea what their talking about de'
Unnefer : the devil is a symbol for the false mind/ego
Ravensong : Okay Paramedic, I just wanted to say I was sorry for the
atmosphere...
Des2 : You have a right to be wrong Paramedic
Paramedic6: debate each other's ignorance. It makes me giggle>
JRM0646 : Des2 is exactly right Unnefer, the devil comes to steal, kill,
and destroy...but Jesus came to
Ravensong : here, have some ale... [(_)
JRM0646 : give us life and life more abundently
VictorA6 : allright let us hear the omnipotene truth speaking paramedic
Paramedic6: Thank you!
KlemClone : you missed it, para6, we solved all the world's problems 2
seconds before you logged on
Des2 : Amen to that JRM
Greysoul : any one have a fresh pot ofd coffee ?
Unnefer : jesus is for those who fear death
ScottD32 : P.T.L.JRMO
KlemClone : guess you'll just have to watch Nightline tomorrow night to get
the details
Ravensong : Devil? Describe this entity you want to talk about....
Des2 : Will the created say to the Creator, why have you made me thus?
Paramedic6: Well, the solution didn't last, try again.
VictorA6 : someone want a bite of my pizza.
Des2 : No way Unnefer....Jesus is for those who want abundant life!
Unnefer : just a symbol-like jesus/osiris/buddha,atc...
Greysoul : i need coffee !
VictorA6 : what religion do you follow raven
ScottD32 : Jesus is the way
Des2 : The devil goes about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may
devour
Greysoul : for you scott
VictorA6 : well take some ...shees!!!
Unnefer : man is god !!!!!!
JRM0646 : What kind of background did Unnefer come from?
ScottD32 : you too
Des2 : for ALL who will believe
Ravensong : I, Victor, am a Pagan upon a self appointed path, I make my way
without crutches
VictorA6 : will you please cut that out unnefer
Des2 : If you died, cursing God....
Unnefer : one where i wasnt programmed!!!!!!!!!!
Des2 : the last thing you would see, as you slipped into eternity
Paramedic6: I am a non-denominational monotheist
Greysoul : how can you say what is right for me ....scott
KlemClone : i'm on the edge of my seat Des2
Unnefer : vic sorry ok
Des2 : would be a loving God with His arms outstretched...
Des2 : saying I love you, I love you...
Ravensong : Des, we don't curse gods...it would be a truly futile thing to
do....
ScottD32 : Listen to Jesus
ScottD32 : Grey
Ravensong : For if a god is omnipotent then you can't hurt him with a
curse....
Des2 : You c urse him by ignoring Him, Raven
Paramedic6: I believe there probably is one God, but I don't try to tell It
what church it should go to.
Ravensong : ...anmd if he isn't there's no reason to curse him, hes already a
failure....
Greysoul : what is he saying ? i can not hear anything
Des2 : Right, Raven....you can't hurt him, but the curser hurts
himself...
KlemClone : you didn't c urse him!
ScottD32 : Recieve Him
Ravensong : If to ignore someone is to curse them then I've cursed billions!
Unnefer : deceive him
Ravensong : ...and so have you!
Des2 : There can be no plan without a Planner...
Greysoul : like i said i went to 12 years of jesus talk ... s o s nothing
different
Des2 : I meant deny, not ignore
KlemClone : read James Glick's book on Chaos
Ravensong : Des...there is no plan save that which we make....
Des2 : Obviously you werent listening, Grey
JRM0646 : Grey what "jesus" talk did you goto?
Des2 : Who gave you the brain to make the plan Raven?
Unnefer : Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
VictorA6 : O my God, you brighten the darkness around me..
Unnefer : Love is the law, love under will
Greysoul : catholic schooling...jrm
ScottD32 : Jesus is the light
VictorA6 : follow it
Des2 : We're not preaching religion, we're telling you about a way of
life!
Ravensong : I have my own way of life thank you....
VictorA6 : if you want to anyway..
Des2 : Please know...not trying to force down your throats
Ravensong : Want to here about mine?
Des2 : Just discussing, I thought
Des2 : Be my guest, Raven
Greysoul : i was listening but .... nothing was different ...just do good
and you will live for ever
VictorA6 : not that i am trying to impose this on anyone just making
conversation
Greysoul : that is basically universal
Des2 : not true Grey
JRM0646 : Greysoul you need to visit a 'spirit-filled' church...then I
guarntee you will change your mind
JRM0646 : ...about Jesus
ScottD32 : Not by works
Unnefer : what makes you so certain your right des? faith?well..
Des2 : Jrm....tell it all
Ravensong : I am a Pagan Des, I believe that the Universe is a whole, created
by forces
Des2 : The Alpha
Des2 : and Omega
Ravensong : that we don't remember, buit which we will someday.
VictorA6 : that is not al;ways true jrm..
Des2 : Ah yes, Raven....the force of The Holy One
JRM0646 : Victor where are you from?
ScottD32 : God creates
KlemClone : After that, Grey, we'll go to Iran, they'll change your mind
too...
Unnefer : he who knows does not speak-he who speaks does not know
Greysoul : :)
VictorA6 : originally or now, jrm?
Greysoul : klem
KlemClone : or at least your posture
JRM0646 : both
Des2 : Been there Klem....The ayatollah sez hello
Ravensong : The Multiverse we live in is many many universes connected by
many seperate realities
Des2 : He who seeks to know...must first learn to imagine and
deliberate...
Unnefer : right on raven!
ScottD32 : WHAT RAVEN???
VictorA6 : originally from Dallas then I moved to Puerto Rico then Mexico
City and now McAllen texas
Des2 : the wish to know contains not always the faculty to acquire.
Greysoul : why do you think we have to follow jesus to live for ever why not
just do good
Ravensong : ...Gods are the creation of the group mind that we all belong to,
just most of us don't
KlemClone : give him my best wishes for the afterlife; i intent to catch him
on the rebound and kick ass
Ravensong : know it for sure.
Des2 : It's in the Book Grey
Unnefer : des you are stuck in one reality-try some others!
JRM0646 : Where are you spiritually?
JRM0646 : How serious is Jesus to you?
Des2 : I've found it real Unnefer...
Des2 : I'm in the fourth dimension!
Greysoul : your book not mine.....not budda's,not everonee
Ravensong : Ah, Des, I see you quickly ignore those who wish to talk of their
own way of life
VictorA6 : where God has placed me...under his command.
Ravensong : and beliefs....
Des2 : God's book Grey..
Unnefer : oh the astral plane
Ravensong : It seems you are not as you preach....
Greysoul : your god
Des2 : No, Raven...was trying to answer 2 others....go on
VictorA6 : the mortal life
KlemClone : actually, OOBE is fun!
Unnefer : jesus WAS a great man(?) who is no dead!
JRM0646 : Do you talk with Jesus, and eat upon His Word more than anything
elso??
Greysoul : now
JRM0646 : In other Words is Jesus FIRST??
Unnefer : yes
VictorA6 : not dead waiting untill the time is right unnefer
Des2 : I respect your right to believe as you wish....just wanted to
share what has been
Unnefer : now dead
Ravensong : Des...I'm sorry I jumped the gun in thinking you were ignoring
me...sorry
VictorA6 : not always although I should,jrm
Des2 : so real to me for 37 years
Unnefer : oh vic? the apacolypse?
JRM0646 : What Church do you go to in McAllen?
VictorA6 : dead physically yes, not spiritually..
VictorA6 : maybe..maybe not?
Ravensong : Des...the Multiverse, like all other dimensions within it, is a
sealed globe,
Des2 : Most church members are too dogmatic
ScottD32 : Good Night all P.T.L.
Greysoul : no one is ever dead spirituall
Des2 : yes...
VictorA6 : Holy Spirit Catholic Curch
Unnefer : yes i agree
KlemClone : Raven, you know better. It is not.
Ravensong : All that wa sin it from start is still there...no loss of energy
or matter
Des2 : and...
VictorA6 : in some aspects yes, unnefer
Greysoul : so what make jesus god and not us
Paramedic6: Entropy?
KlemClone : all that light keep pouring through the holes in the crystal
sphere (I like Orion, myself)
Unnefer : no amount of debaiting can prove anything-we already have our
convictions
Greysoul : for we live forever and so does he
VictorA6 : Orion, nice choice my favorite as well..
Ravensong : Unnefer...how do I get them to understand?
VictorA6 : Good unnefer then why in the he-- do we continue babbling like
fools..
KlemClone : Imagine all those souls who have looked up at Orion, confident
that they knew their god..
Des2 : Facinating, Raven...perhaps I can explore your insight more at a
later time
Ravensong : ...or at least to stop bothering us?
Unnefer : raven i dont know?
VictorA6 : you think as you will and that is that
Des2 : Didn't mean to be a bother...sorry
Ravensong : Des, if you're really interested, I'll send you a reading
list....
Des2 : please do
Ravensong : Its the others that are getting to me....
VictorA6 : this subject is getting stakle fast...
Ravensong : not you.
Des2 : DES: 6817 Cedar Ln., Dublin, CA 94568
Greysoul : raven...can not get to understand if not listening
KlemClone : send me one too ( I collect late 20th century varient religious
mailings)
Ravensong : you're being more open minded then the others have.
VictorA6 : who are you talking to raven?
Des2 : That's the BIG problem with most church people....closed minds
KlemClone : not me, I'm sure
JRM0646 : AMEN--des
VictorA6 : speak for yourself des
Unnefer : raven your right-i have been a bit close minded about all this
Des2 : He who is convinced against his will, remains unconvinced
still...Franklin
Ravensong : Well, I must turn in now...Greylady wished the comm again and the
night has been long
KlemClone : true word, Des2
Paramedic6: Raven: If they're bothering you, follow the example of the
porcipine (one of natures more inoffe
Paramedic6: inoffensice creatures)
Ravensong : ...Greysoul watch for her...she wants to talk again when shes
on....
Des2 : hope to see you all later...
VictorA6 : nice talking to ya raven see ya around huh?
Greysoul : ok
Ravensong : Para...thanks...I'll write soon.
Greysoul : but can't stay on long
Des2 : Victor...we cant BLAST 'em and expect em to believe
VictorA6 : i must leave to..Bon nui
Greysoul : see ya raven
Paramedic6: please do, my files to follow also.
Des2 : f
KlemClone : enjoy the morning (EST, at least)
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Ravensong : Good night all *)-----Ravensong-----(*
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