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Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
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From: jodar@chaph.usc.edu (Nicholas Jodar)
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Subject: The 'Holey' Bible....
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Originator: zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Zeeshan Hasan -Moderator)
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Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:03:25 GMT
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Message-ID: <1h74i7INNjg8@aludra.usc.edu>
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Lines: 551
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[Note to Moderator: This is in answer to all of these 'the Bible
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has no errors and/or is free of tampering' claims.]
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Assalaamu Alaikum,....
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DISCREPANCIES IN THE NEW TESTAMENT:
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'There are claimed contradictions that theologians have not resolved to every
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atheist's satisfaction. There are textual difficulties with which scholars are
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still wrestling. [After how many thousands of years?] Only a Bible illiterate
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would deny these and other problems.'
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-- 'The Plain Truth,' July, 1975
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The Qur'an says the Bible is screwed with. Here is some of the evidence.
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The following is a list of some of the discrepancies found
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within the New Testament (using the 1952 RSV, the most accurate
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translation I have thus far). Many of these discrepancies
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are found in more than one place, but I've only listed one. (I
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don't have THAT much time to kill. :-) There's even more stuff
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I could go over in the OLD Testament....) This file is still
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being compiled, but I figured I could post it now (it's about
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two-thirds done) in answer to the many false statements made
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in recent postings.
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It is quite obvious from the following that, not only was the
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Bible written by men, but that such men, unlike the Prophets (AS)
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that have gone before, were not all inspired by GOD (if any were);
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the writers of the various books often disagree. What is
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disturbing is that so many Christians don't seem to reading their
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Bible very closely. The Church isn't helping, either. They
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(along with the Israeli Government) have consistently blocked
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research of all ancient manuscripts uncovered.
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I hope that the following will be informative, and that others,
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inshallah, will be encouraged to study the Bible with as much
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dedication as I have. For the most accurate translation
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available, I suggest 'Knoct's Concordance of the Greek Translation.'
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Note, also, that the American Bible Society puts out a version
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of the 1611 KJV which, while containing inaccuracies, has many
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helps and additional information to those in pursuit of the Truth.
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Auzu Billahi Min Ash-Shaitan Nirajeem. Bismillah...
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-Brother Abdul Qadir
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Christians Confess!
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Dr. W. Graham Scroggie of THE 'Moody Bible Institute' of Chicago, in his book
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'Is the Bible the Word of God?' (under the heading 'It is Human, Yet Divine,'
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(page 17) says:
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'Yes, the Bible is human, though some, out of a zeal which is not according to
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knowledge, have denied this. Those books [making up the Bible] have passed
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through the minds of men, are written in the language of men, were penned by
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the hands of men, and bear in their style the characteristics of men.'
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Kenneth Cragg, the Anglican Bishop of Jerusalem, in his book 'The Call of the
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Minaret' (page 277) says:
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'Not so the New Testament ... There is condensation and editing; there is
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choice, reproduction, and witness. The Gospels have come through the mind
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of the Church behind the authors. They represent experience and history.'
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>From the Preface to the RSV, 1952 ('the product of thirty-two scholars
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assisted by an advisory committee representing fifty co-operating
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denominations'):
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'... Yet the King James Version has grave defects. By the middle of the
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nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of
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many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was
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based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to
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call for revision of the English translation.'
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>From an article entitled 'The Truth About the Bible,' in an old back issue of
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'Look' magazine:
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'...as early as 1720, an English authority estimated that there were at least
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20,000 errors in the two editions of the New Testament commonly read by
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Protestants and Catholics. Modern students say there are probably 50,000
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errors.'
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>From E.G. White, a 'prophetess' of the Seventh Day Adventist Church, in her
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Bible Commentary (Volume 1, page 14) says:
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'The Bible we read today is the work of many copyists who have in most
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instances done their work with marvellous accuracy. But copyists have not
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been infallible, and GOD most evidently has not seen fit to preserve them
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altogether from error in transcribing.'
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Still later, she adds: 'I saw that GOD had especially guarded the Bible,'
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[from what?] 'yet when copies of it were few, learned men had in some
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instances changed the words, thinking that they were making it plain, when
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in reality they were mystifying that which was plain, by causing it to lean
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to their established views, which were governed by tradition.'
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She says this, and yet STILL says 'Truly, the Bible is the infallible Word
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of GOD.'(!) 'Yes, it is adulterated, but pure.'(?!) 'It is human, yet
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divine.'
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?!?!?
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Do words have any meaning for such people? Apparently only in a Court of
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Law....
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On page five of the Foreword in the Jehovah's Witnesses' Bible, (now expunged!)
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they say/said:
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'In copying the inspired originals by hand, the element of human frailty
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entered in, and so none of the thousands [four thousand, to be exact...]
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of copies extant today in the original language are perfect duplicates. The
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result is that no two copies are exactly alike.'
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They conclude: 'The evidence is, therefore, that the original text of the
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Christian Greek Scriptures ['New Testament'] has been tampered with, the
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same as the text of the LXX ['Old Testament'] has been.'
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These supposedly rational people then state that no amount of tampering
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will 'appreciably affect the authenticity of the Bible.' (?!)
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J.B. Phillips, a prebendary of the Chichester Cathedral, of the Angelical
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Church in England, refers to the 'Gospel According to St. Matthew' in his
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introduction to it:
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'Early tradition ascribed this Gospel to the apostle Matthew, but scholars
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nowadays almost all reject this view.' [Indeed, Modern Scholars only hazard
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a guess as to the author of 'Luke,' and it wasn't Luke, either....]
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But Phillips goes on: 'The author, whom we can conveniently call Matthew, has
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plain drawn on the mysterious "Q" [for German 'Quella' == 'Sources'], which
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may have been a collection of oral traditions.' [This is the accepted theory
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of Modern Western Scholars] 'He has used Mark's Gospel freely, though he has
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rearranged the order of events and has in several instances used different
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words for what is plainly the same story.'
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The authors of 'Matthew' and 'Luke,' in fact, have COPIED 85% of 'Mark,'
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WORD FOR WORD. Believe it or not, the Christians call this wholesale
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plagiarism 'Divine Inspiration'....
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[The OT is even worse. (Isaiah 37 is, in fact, 2 Kings 19, both attributed
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to different authors, centuries apart, and both 'inspired' by Allah....)
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Attributing such nonsense to Allah (AWJ) is blasphemy, and no self-
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respecting 'man of GOD' would hear of it.]
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The same J.B. Phillips has this to say about the 'Gospel of St. Luke':
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'On his own admission Luke has carefully compared and edited existing material,
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but it would seem that he had access to a good deal of additional material,
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and we can reasonably guess at some of the sources from which he drew.'
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This author, previously assumed to be 'Luke,' who says 'It seemed good to me
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also' to 'write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus'.
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This is 'Divine Inspiration'?!?
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Anybody who reads plain english can understand what these people are saying.
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They are saying that the Bible was written by men, not Allah. Further
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evidence is provided by the fact that the entire Bible is written in the
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THIRD PERSON. ('And the Lord said unto Moses...,' 'And Moses said unto the
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Lord...,' 'The word which Isaiah saw concerning...,' 'And Jesus said to
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them...' et cetera. Nowhere in the Bible will you find the word 'Bible,'
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much less 'Old' or 'New Testament.' Out of four thousand texts, not a
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single one has the author's name on it. (Hence the 'According to' in the title
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of each of the four gospels selected to be included in the Canon.)
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Yet they INSIST that the Bible is indeed the word of Allah (!).... Truly,
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Jesus (AS) was right in saying, '...seeing, they see not; and hearing, they
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hear not; neither do they understand.' [Mt 13:13]
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Genealogy of Jesus--What Was It? (PBUH)
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The Gospel ''According to Matthew'' tells us that there were fourteen
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generations between Abraham (AS) and Babylon, and fourteen between Babylon
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and Jesus (AS). Despite the claim that the authors of the Gospels were
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'Inspired' by Allah, only two of them bothered to record the Genealogy of
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Jesus (AS). Yet of the two Genealogies given, neither matches the (much
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earlier) recording in the OT. Who's lying, here?
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[Note: The sons of Noah were four: Shem, Ham, Japheth, and Japheth's
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elder brother, Eber. (Genesis 10:1, 21)]
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Mt. 1:1-17 vs. Lk. 3:23-38 vs. Old Testament
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- GOD (Allah) --
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1 Adam Adam 1
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2 Seth Sheth 2
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3 Enos Enosch 3
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4 Cainan Kenan 4
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5 Mahalaleel Mahalaleel 5
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6 Jared Jared 6
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7 Enoch Enoch 7
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8 Methuselah Methuselah 8
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9 Lamech Lamech 9
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10 Noah Noah 10
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11 Shem Shem (heir/Eber)11
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12 Arphaxad Arpachshad 12
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13 Cainan | 13
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14 Shelah Shelah 14
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15 Eber Eber 15
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16 Peleg Peleg 16
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17 Reu Reu 17
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18 Serug Serug 18
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19 Nahor Nahor 19
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20 Terah Terah 20
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1 Abraham Abraham Abraham 21
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2 Isaac Isaac Isaac 22
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3 Jacob Jacob Jacob 23
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4 Judah Judah Judah 24
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5 Perez ('bastard') Perez ('bastard') | 25
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6 Hezron Hezron Hezron 26
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7 Ram Arni Ram 27
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8 Amminadab Amminadab Amminadab 29
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9 Nahshon Nahshon Nahshon 30
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10 Salmon Sala Salma 31
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11 Boaz Boaz Boaz 32
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12 Obed Obed Obed 33
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13 Jesse Jesse Jesse 34
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14 David David David 35
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FROM ABRAHAM: 14 15 13
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1 David David David 35
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2 Solomon Nathan Solomon 36
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3 Rehoboam Mattatha Rehoboam 37
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4 Abijah Menna Abijah 38
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5 Asa Melea Asa 39
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6 Joshaphat Eliakim Jehoshaphat 40
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7 Joram Jonam Joram 41
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8 Uzziah Joseph Ahaziah 42
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| Judah Joash 43
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| Simeon Amaziah 44
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| Levi Azariah 45
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9 Jotham Matthat Jotham 46
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| Jorim | 47
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| Eliezer | 48
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10 Ahaz Joshua Ahaz 49
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11 Hezekiah Er Hezekiah 50
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12 Manasseh Elmadam Manasseh 51
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13 Amos Cosam Amon 52
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14 Josiah Addi Josiah 53
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| Melchi Jehoiakim 54
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15 Jechoniah Neri Jeconiah 55
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TO BABYLON: 15 19 17
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1 Shealtiel Shealtiel Pedaiah 56
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2 Zerubbabel Zerubbabel Zerubbabel 57
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Hananiah 58
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Jeshaiah 59
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Rhesa Rephaiah 60
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Arnan 61
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Obadiah 62
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Shecaniah 63
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Shemaiah 64
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Neariah 65
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Elioenai 66
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Joanan Johanan 67
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Joda | 68
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Josech ? 69
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Semein 70
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Mattathias 71
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Maath 72
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Naggai 73
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Esli 74
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Nahum 75
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Amos 76
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Mattathias 77
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Joseph 78
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Jannai 79
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Melchi 80
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Levi 81
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3 Abiud 82
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4 Eliakim 83
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5 Azor 84
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6 Zadok 85
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7 Achim 86
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8 Eliud 87
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9 Eleazar 88
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10 Matthan Matthat 89
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11 Jocob Heli 90
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12 Joseph Joseph 91
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13 Jesus Jesus 92
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TO JESUS (AS): 13 23+ 13+
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Some Big Booboos:
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1) Jesus (AS) cannot possibly be descended 'from David' by BOTH of
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David's sons;
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2) As a supposed 'bastard,' Perez's line would have been cursed for
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at least ten generations, according to the OT, but David (AS) was
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made king;
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3) Joseph (RAA) could not possibly have been the son of both Jocob
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and Heli;
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4) Jesus (AS) has to be connected to David (AS) through his mother
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Mary (RAA), as Joseph (RAA) wasn't really his father;
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5) NEITHER of the two Genealogies are correct, based on the evidence
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provided;
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6) 'Matthew' has screwed up his 'three groups of fourteen' in his
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genealogy;
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7) According to 'Luke,' (who is more generous than 'Matthew') there
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are still only twenty generations between Abraham and David, which
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is impossible, time-wise. (14-16 generations for 8 centuries?)
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Where Are the Apostles?
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Matthew Mark Luke John Barnabas
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'Peter' (Simon) Peter Peter Peter Peter
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Andrew Andrew Andrew Andrew Andrew
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James James James James James
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John John John John John
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Philip Philip Philip Philip Philip
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Bartholomew Bartholomew Bartholomew ------
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Thomas Thomas Thomas Thomas Thomas
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Matthew Matthew Matthew ------ Matthew
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James James James ------ James
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Thaddeus Thaddeus ----- ------ -----
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Simon Simon Simon ------ Simon
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Judas Isc. Judas Isc. Judas Isc. Judas Isc. Judas Isc.
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Judas Judas
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Barnabas (Joses)
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[Note: Barnabas is also found in Colosians, Galacians, and Acts.]
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Herod Dead or Not?
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Mt. 2:19 vs. Mt. 14:1
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Jesus (AS) Touched, But by Whom?
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Mt. 9:18, Mk. 5:21, Lk. 8:40
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Jesus (AS) Curses the Fig Tree
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(One of his few documented mistakes, but when did it happen? And
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how did it REALLY happen?)
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Mt. 21:18, Mk. 11:12
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Baptism of Jesus (AS) by John (AS) vs. John (AS)'s Messengers
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(Did John (AS) Recognize Jesus (AS) or not?)
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Mt. 3:13-15 vs. Mt. 11:2-6
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Leper or Simon's Mother-in-Law Healed first?
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(See Gospels)
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Palsied Man Healed in Capernaum or Nazareth?
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Mt. 9:1-2 vs. Mk. 2:1-4
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Was the Publican Named Matthew or Levi?
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(This particular passage also implies that Matthew was not
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the author of the Gospel attributed to him.)
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Mt. 9:9 vs. Lk. 5:27
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When Were the Twelve Really Ordained?
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(See Gospels)
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When Did Jesus (AS) Really Calm the Storm?
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(See Gospels)
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When Did Jesus (AS) Heal the 'Demoniacs,' and Where?
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(There is no 'Gergesene,' at least not there, then....)
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(See Gospels)
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When Were the Twelve Given Their Mission?
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(See Gospels)
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>From Where Was the Woman of Faith?
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Mt. 15:21-22 vs. Mk. 7:24-26
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Did Jesus (AS) Heal One or Two Blind Men?
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Mt. 20:30-34 vs. Lk. 18:35-43
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When was what Last Supper?
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Jn. 13:1 vs. Lk. 7:1
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The Crowning Speech in 'John' is Missing in
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the Other Three Gospels!?
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Jn. 13-17
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John 'Forgets' to Include Jesus (AS)'s
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Prayer in the Garden???
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John Describes the Last Supper in
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Numbing Detail, Including Details
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Left Out of the Other Gospels,
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But 'Forgets' to Mention the
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Eucharist!
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Angel Lies to the Women
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Mt. 28:7 vs. Mt. 28:9
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Paul Contradicts All of
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the Sightings of the
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'Risen' Jesus (AS) in
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the Canonical Gospels
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1 Cor. 15:5-7 vs. Gospels
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Paul Can't Get His Conversion
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Story Straight....
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Acts 9:3-7 vs. Acts 22:6-9 vs.
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Acts 26:12-15
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Paul Also Can't Get His
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Ordainment Story Straight....
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Acts 9:10-15 vs. Acts 22:10-15
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vs. Acts 26:16-18
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Moses (AS), Aaron (AS), Hagar (RAA)
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and the Apostles (RAA) Witnessed the
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Glory of GOD, but Paul was Struck
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for Three Days by Seeing Jesus (AS)
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Ex. 3:1-6, 19:19-24, Gen. 16:13 and
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Gospels vs. Acts 9:8-9
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Paul Confesses the
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Resurrection to be His
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Own Doctrine
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2 Timothy 2:8
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Paul Initiates Doctrine
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of Jesus (AS) Being
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Divine
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Acts 9:20
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Paul Negates the Law
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Romans 3:28 and vs. Mt. 5:17-20
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Paul Denies His Own
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Actions/Experiences
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Acts 9:28-29, 21:27-36, and 26:19-20
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vs. Galatians 1-2
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