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APPLE II MUSIC & SOUND FORUM CONFERENCE LOG
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July 24, 1991 10 PM ET
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Topic: What's New in SoundSmith?
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Forum Leader: Joyce Madden (AFL JoyceM),
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Forum Assistant: Gene Koh (AFA Gene)
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Forum Consultants: Greg Dib (ELECTMUSIC), Ed Rosenblatt
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(AFC Eddie), Lindsay Hough (LindsayGS)
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Copyright (c) 1991 America Online
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All Rights Reserved
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AFL JoyceM Okay...we can get started...and I have a few
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comments first... I would like to welcome Jim Maricondo of
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DYA....better known to us as DYA Jim. If you haven't
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checked out our libraries recently, we have some very fine
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(excellent) files that DYA has uploaded to our library
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on instrument files for SoundSmith. And we hope in the near
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future to have DYA as a link with AMS. Jim, would you like
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to make some comments about DYA and their involvement in the
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music field...then we can get to the questions and comments.
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Thanks.... Jim:
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DYA Jim1 Yo Everyone! :) Currently, we have only one music
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product actually released, and that is the DYA Instrument
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Disk Volume 1 which is now in the library. We are working
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on a couple other music projects for the future. We're not
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sure on details just yet, but there probably will be another
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instrument disk (now that I've gotten some sound cards for
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my synthesizer .. finally! :) and I will be finishing Hot
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Licks, our soundsmith player utility, sometime soon.
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AFC Eddie Sounds great, Jim!!
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DYA Jim1 That is basically it for now, but we might change
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that or do more stuff in the future :)
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AFL JoyceM Jim, want to explain a little more on what the SS
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player utility will do?
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Mr Toaster Yes, please Jim.
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DYA Jim1 The main extra features we are planning for it
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(i.e. NEW features we haven't seen implemented anywhere else
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.. yet) are several jukebox modes -shuffle, like a CD
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player, and modes where you can specifiy a combination of
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files and folders to play in random or in sequence - and
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some really neat "VU" effects.
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Mr Toaster CoooooOOOOOOOOOoooooool!!!
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AFL JoyceM VU effects?
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DYA Jim1 We're experimenting with several new kinds of new
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VU graphical displays. (yah, you know, like how SoundSmith
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does it in graphic play mode). But we will be implementing
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several other variations, some of which we've come up with
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ourselves.
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Mr Toaster (How can you have different kinds of VU
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meters??!? I'm curious!!)
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AFun Ian Like maybe analog ones?
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DYA Jim1 (Wait and see! :) It'll be a good surprise. :)
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All digital, currently, except for the LED
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track/block/position display.
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AFL JoyceM Have you all ever thought of making a SS editor
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to make inputing songs easier?
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Mr Toaster Oooo, can't wait!!
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AFL Marty I wondered the same thing Toaster... until I saw
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for myself :)
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Mr Toaster Good point.
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AFA Gene Oooo analog ones! VERY cool idea, Ian! :)
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DYA Jim1 We'll have to consider analog now though :) It
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hadn't come up yet
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Mr Toaster Like the little needle ones?
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DYA Jim1 Let's see.. so far a SS editor isn't in our
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lineup..Because of other commitments.
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AFun Ian Joyce, SS/Zap is coming along... Poor Jim doesn't
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need to do an editor! :)
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AFL JoyceM Jim, will this be PD, shareware or ?
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AFA Gene Especially if you could get the needle-lines to
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be "jaggy-less":)
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DYA Jim1 Most likely shareware, but nothing is definite
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yet :)
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AFL JoyceM Great, Ian....was hoping you would speak up )
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DYA Jim1 Good Ian :)
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AFL JoyceM Jim, Ian do you all feel that the GS music
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software is going to get better and more user friendly?
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DYA Jim1 Hmm.. that's kinda difficult..
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DYA Jim1 Unfortunately, synthLab/MidiSYNTH is on hold
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indefinitely, and there are tons of rumors that SoundSmith
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will never be completed..
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Mr Toaster It seems like it's on the edge of becoming
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awesome... except for AppleCo. :(
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DYA Jim1 However, I think instrument editing and song
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editing will get better.
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AFL Marty I've heard those same rumors. Hope they're
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wrong.
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AFun Ian Well, I'm working on the easier to use side AND
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the better side. You'll see.
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DYA Jim1 (You should see all the bugs in the MIDIsynth
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toolset!) (there are TONS)
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AFun Ian I don't like MIDIsynth. I think SoundSmith'll
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kill it! Esp. with my editor! :)
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AFL Marty Bugs? In Apple software? You're kidding! :)
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DYA Jim1 I'd like MIDIsynth IF it was a final bugless
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version.
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AFC Eddie Soundsmith won't kill it unless it has MIDI
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implemented.
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AFL JoyceM Agree, Eddie
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Mr Toaster True.
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AFC Eddie THEN it will kill it.
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AFun Ian Eddie, THAT's what I mean! :)
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AFC Eddie Oh!
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AFL JoyceM Now that we have some excellent music programmers
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on AOL, why don't you all get together and write the perfect
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music software :)
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Mr Toaster Anyone know Huibert's number? What's long
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distance to France cost, anyway? :)
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AFC Eddie Do you know something we don't Ian?
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AFL Marty I suspect that there is a way to input MIDI with
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SS...Huibert can't be entering all those songs via the
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"spreadsheet". I bet he has a private utility to do that.
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DYA Jim1 <-- hates spreadsheets. entered one songsmith
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song and then stopped :)
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AFun Ian Well, even if Huibert doesn't do MIDI, I am. :)
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AFC Eddie If you check our new files library tonite, you'll
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find that SLab can sound just as good as soundsmith. With
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MIDI.
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AFL Marty When, Ian?
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DYA Jim1 But you can't fix the bugs in SLab :(
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Mr Toaster (Eddie, I thought that was sLab! :)
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DYA Jim1 You could disassemble Midisynth and go bug
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hunting, but then you couldn't distribute your new version
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(yes, I know someone who did this :)
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AFL JoyceM Eddie, want to elaborate on your songs more?
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AFC Eddie True, Jim!
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AFA Gene Actually.... the really BEST soundsmith songs
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will probably always be mostly spreadsheet even after MIDI
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"is" implemented (if it ever happens)... Cuz SS will always
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quantize the MIDI input; i.e. it will not be like the way SL
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does it.
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AFL Marty (Guess I scared Ian away :)
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AFC Eddie I just UL'd two SLab songs using exclusively
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SoundSmith instruments.
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Mr Toaster AppleCo's lawyer brigade comes in.... yeah.
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AFA Gene <just wanted to make that comment :) >
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AFC Eddie You're right, Gene.
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DYA Jim1 (darn beatle record company)
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AFC Eddie The Beatles are right!
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AFA Gene Aren't they still selling the Apple MIDI
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Interface? Sam Ash still carries 'em.
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Mr Toaster What Beatles? They broke up already!
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DYA Jim1 I can't figure it out either, Gene.
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AFC Eddie Anyway, if you really want to come as close as
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you can to MIDI implementation with the sound of Soundsmith,
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you can do it with SynthCreate and AudioZap.
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DYA Jim1 The only thing that Apple stopped in the way of
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music, was synthlab. They still are updating their MIDI
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manager tools for the GS and Mac, they still sell the MIDI
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interface, but they're not doing slab/msynth anymore.
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AFL JoyceM Jim, how difficult would it be to write a utility
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for SS to allow MIDI input?
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Mr Toaster Who seriously believes that Apple Records is
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going to sue AppleInc? Huh?
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DYA Jim1 It's not a light undertaking..
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AFC Eddie I do.
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Mr Toaster C'mon, they'd never win the case...it'd cost 'em
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too much money and it wouldn't be worth it in the end.
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DYA Jim1 It entails a lot of doing..I wonder how Ian is
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gonna implement it..
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AFL JoyceM A MIDI input utility would probably take SL out
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of the music market. BTW, Mark Cecys still gets on
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AOL....leave him notes about upgrading the Tool35.
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DYA Jim1 I heard at KFest that Mark Cecys quit the A2
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division.
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AFA Gene IMO the hardest part would be to decide how to
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split all the MIDI keypresses into SS tracks... like someone
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can hit 8 keys at once really easily.
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AFL JoyceM I had heard that too about Mark...but he has been
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working on the Mac side soon after SL was released.
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DYA Jim1 Yeah, I believe Mark switched to Mac :(
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AFA Gene I'm not surprised, yet it's funny cuz mark was
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originally from Ensoniq.
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DYA Jim1 Yeah, I thought the same thing.. he dumped the
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Ensoniq. What people do to go work on the Mac side :(.
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The original main author of HCGS transferred over to the Mac
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side and then got laid off.
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AFA Gene Who knows, maybe we'll see an EPS 16+ in the next
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Mac. :)
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AFL JoyceM What is so sad about this...is that Apple doesn't
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care or take pride in what they release when it is buggy!
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AFC Eddie That would be unbelievable, Gene!
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DYA Jim1 Jim Mensch transferred over to the Mac side right
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in the middle of writing the Animation Toolkit. So wonder
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there's anyone left
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AFA Gene Ed, there already exists such a card... the name
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slips me at the moment, but that's basically what it is.
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AFC Eddie For the Mac?
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AFA Gene Yep. So who knows, Apple might just make it
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built-in. ?
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AFC Eddie Hmmmm, how about software support for it?
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AFA Gene (Apple doesn't put out the card, btw. The people
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in MMS seem to love it.)
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Mr Toaster Hee hee hee... some friends of mine and I built a
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digitizer for an IBM. We got everything soldered together,
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all the parts in the right places...Tested it out... It's a
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hunk o' junk.
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AFL JoyceM Eddie, what to discuss how you did the SS
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instruments into SL?
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AFL JoyceM The IBM or your board, Toaster?
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Mr Toaster I think the Radio Shack guy gave us the wrong
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chips.
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AFC Eddie Sure...
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Mr Toaster Both! :) Naah, the board. (I know, excuses,
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excuses...)
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AFC Eddie We took some instruments from a couple of SS
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songs we really liked....Then loaded 'em into Audiozap for
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tweaking and size control, which is really essential for
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SynthCreate. Then, used Synthcreate to make a couple of new
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wave files. We tried out a bunch of MIDI sequences
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converted with Midimate...and Voila!
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AFL Marty I'd like to know what Jim means when he says the
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instruments are "tuned" to the FUN instruments.
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DYA Jim1 They're not tuned to the FUN instruments, they're
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tuned to each other and to the keyboards they were sampled
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from.
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AFL Marty My mistake. What does that mean though?
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DYA Jim1 So, a G#4 played by SoundSmith should sound the
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same (excluding the degradation of quality) as a G#4 in the
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same instrument on the synthesizer it was digitized off of.
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Mr Toaster Hmmm, good idea.
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AFL Marty Okay... that makes it clear. Thanks.
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AFA Gene Yep, Jim, I had to do the same thing when I
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digitized my own custom SS insts. (compensating for tuning i
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mean)
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DYA Jim1 Yeah, that was a pain :)
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AFL Marty How hard was it to accomplish (the tuning)?
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DYA Jim1 You'll really have to ask Matt.. BUT, he did a
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LOT of work in experimenting using a lot of trial and error
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I believe in finding the proper settings to digitize and
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playback at. It wasn't easy. The tuning problem is what
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pushed back the release of the disk about 4-6 months.
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Mr Toaster Sounds like a real pain to me.
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AFA Gene I did it by ear, so I guess it's just a pain in
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the butt. To me it was like tuning a piano.
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AFL Marty I figured it wasn't easy.
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DYA Jim1 Matt has a great ear for this kinda stuff though
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:) He's done a bunch of soundSmith songs off of songs on
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tapes of his, with no sheet music and such :)
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AFC Eddie Jim, I'd like to get together with you for some
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hints, as I'd like to create some insts with the sounds from
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my Proteus.
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DYA Jim1 Ahh, a Proteus. (I just got a "Proteus/XR
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Impressions" soundcard for my D70 :)
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AFL Marty I know that disk represents a lot of work.
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Hopefully folks will appreciate that (and maybe send money
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:)
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DYA Jim1 Perhaps you, I, and Matt could meet together
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sometime and talk about it. I hope so Marty :)
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AFC Eddie Soon you may hear SLab songs with the DYA insts!
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AFL Marty You know, when you release something like an
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instrument disk there's always the danger that folks will
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think you did it in an afternoon.
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DYA Jim1 good point.
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AFL Marty Now that it's in the transcript they'll know
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better. :)
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DYA Jim1 Maybe we should add something like "Four months
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in the making" or however long it took (I forget :)
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AFL Marty I really do appreciate all the work it took. (My
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favorite sound, by the way, is Milk Bubbles :) That's the
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perfect name for that sound.
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AFA Gene Yeah, reminds me of when ultima 5 came out...
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"six man-years in the making" :)
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AFL Marty Has anyone created any tunes with the new
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instrument disk?
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DYA Jim1 The DYA Sampler song in the library demonstrates
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some of the sounds from a very beta (not tuned very well)
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version of the disk. But that's about all I know of so far.
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AFL Marty Maybe a contest would generate interest (just
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thinking out loud)
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AFC Eddie Good idea!
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AFL Marty I'll work on some details and EMail them to you.
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AFC SteveB (I have a music question for after the chat :)
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AFL Marty No Steve... I will NOT sing "Feelings".
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AFC Eddie Shoot, Steve!
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AFC SteveB Ok! Are there any freeware/shareware Music Studio
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players? Or any util. that will let you listen to MS songs?
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AFC Eddie I think there is one, Steve.
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AFC Eddie Not sure if it's in our library or not, but I can
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check... So, you're all gonna check out my new Soundsmith
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SLab tunes, right?
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AFL Marty Coitenly
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Mr Toaster I just saw the Amiga MOD converter in your
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library. One o' my roomies has an Amiga w/ lots o' mods.
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I'll get some when he comes back to Houston in the fall
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AFC Eddie Steve, I know I have one somewhere. I'll look
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for it for you!
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AFC SteveB Thanks Eddie! :)
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AFL JoyceM Great news for me...just got accepted to sell my
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paintings in a top gallery here in Denver :)
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AFL Marty Congratulations!
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AFC Eddie Fantastic, Joyce!!!!!!!!
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AFL JoyceM And they will appear in a 1992 Calendar :)...am
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so excited :)
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AFC SteveB ()()()() Joyce!
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AFC Eddie WOW, now you can trade in that D-5 for a Korg T1!
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AFL JoyceM Don't I wish...got to learn the D-5 first :)
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DYA Jim1 LOL :) T1's rule :)
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AFA Gene Congrats Joyce! :)
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DYA Jim1 too bad they're so damn expensive :)
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DYA Jim1 Congrats
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AFL JoyceM Thanks guys....
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AFL Marty How expensive?
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Mr Toaster WOW Joyce!!! What great news!!!!
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DYA Jim1 the lowest model - T3 - I've seen for about $2700
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for the keyboard
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AFC Eddie List $5669 Marty.
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AFL Marty ::faint::
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DYA Jim1 (ahh, thanks Eddie :)
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AFL JoyceM Good grief....picking self off the floor!!
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DYA Jim1 it sounds great though :)
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AFL Marty It better!
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AFL JoyceM You can buy a car for that...almost!
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AFC Eddie But, that's just list.
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Mr Toaster Everything but the power door locks! LOL!
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AFA Gene Marty keeps having major medical problems at AMS
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chats. :)
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AFL JoyceM Fainting seems to be one of those medical
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problems.
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AFC Eddie It's still rather humid here in CT where Marty
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and I live. So, fainting can happen!
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DYA Jim1 <-- lives in ct
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AFL Marty Speaking of which...
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AFC Eddie Really, Jim?
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AFL Marty We have to get together sometime soon Eddie.
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AFC Eddie yes!
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DYA Jim1 Yep :)
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AFC Eddie With Jim, too! Where,Jim?
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AFL Marty Jim's in Trumbull.
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AFC Eddie Just there today!
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AFL JoyceM I must be the only AOL member who lives out west!
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or so it seems.
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AFA Gene Jim's from the northeast? I always pictured Jim
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as being a California dude :)
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AFL Marty But you... I could open my window and yell out to
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you, Ed. :)
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Mr Toaster Is Houston West?
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AFC Eddie Joyce, you add balance.
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DYA Jim1 LOL Gene :)
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AFL JoyceM Jim...want to thank you and DYA for coming
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tonight...most enlightening and we look forward to Hot
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Licks...
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AFC Eddie And thanks for the great instrument disk!!!
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AFL JoyceM Oh, and that too...great!
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DYA Jim1 Thanks for the invitation Joyce :) Thanks
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everyone! :)
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AFL Marty Hot Licks is awesome!
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AFL JoyceM Thank you!
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AFL JoyceM ---------------log off------------
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