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*** {Black Ice Private} ***
_____________________________________________________________________________
Copyright (C) 1993 LOD Communications. No part of this work may be
distributed or reproduced, electronically or otherwise, in part or in whole
without express written permission from LOD Communications.
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*** {The Private LOD/H Sub-Board} ***
%> Sub-board: Legion of Doom
%> SubOp: Lex Luthor
%> Messages: 47
%> Files: 1
%> Message: 1 of 47
%> Title: LOD/H Sub
%> When: 3/30/89 at 3:29 pm
%> Left by: Lex Luthor [SubOp] [Level: 8]
Since Loyds board is down, we needed some way to vote on new people, and
discuss new Tech. Journal articles, etc.
It is unavoidable that the sysop can access this sub, however I don't think
that will be a problem. If it is, just say so.
Lex
%> Message: 2 of 47
%> Title: Memberlist
%> When: 3/30/89 at 3:41 pm
%> Left by: Lex Luthor [SubOp] [Level: 8]
Current users with access are:
The Mentor
The Leftist
ANI Failure
Dan (who knows what handle he is using!)
The Urvile
Me
I didn't recall seeing a bbsuserlist so I need to know who else is on here
ie:
Prime Suspect
Doom Prophet
The Prophet
I would like to recommend Skinny Puppy for access/membership (more like
re-membership.)
Also since Bloodaxe had access to the lod sub on Phoenix, he should have access
on this sub. However it is up to you guys.
I have gotten in touch with The Blue Archer and he would like access to Black
Ice. And probably re-entry into LOH.
Since Thomas Covenant (pete) is out, we have 9 members. With 2 old members up
for re-entry.
Oh, one last thing, Even though The Marauder is not a current member (he has
been retired for a while now), he also has access to the sub.
Lex
%> Message: 3 of 47
%> Title: Problem
%> When: 3/30/89 at 3:45 pm
%> Left by: Lex Luthor [SubOp] [Level: 8]
Ok, The Prophet and Ferrod Sensor have access. The question is, is Prime
Suspect on the bbs?
The problem with this sub is half the users on the bbs have access to this sub.
Its kind of funny. Lets rename Black Ice to LOD II!
just kidding.
%> Message: 4 of 47
%> Title: nice
%> When: 3/30/89 at 11:27 pm
%> Left by: ANI Failure [Level: 8]
Nice to see a LOD/H board again! The addition of this sub makes black ice truly
complete in my opinion.
Frank - I need the LMOS machine names from SBDNDN if you have them..
Just for LODh eyes, Im going to u/l a few things here for us. See next posts.
%> Message: 5 of 47
%> Title: files
%> When: 3/30/89 at 11:54 pm
%> Left by: ANI Failure [Level: 8]
The file 1aess/dialup/oms/rcs/etc. is just a misc. information capture I have
laying around. You can glean good info from it, for instance dialups to telco
computers are included in this upload, they are in a packed format like
1npanxxxxxxbaud where baud = 1200 in most cases. Try these out if you like, I
havent tried them all but most of them should be valid. And if you find a very
interesting system or something out of the ordinary, please let me know.
To find AT&T unix dialups in less than 5 minutes:
Call DA in a major city. Ask for AT&T headquarters or corporate building (get
both). This number will most likely be a type G (COSMOS) number, which is a
number like nxx-2000, 3000, 4000, something like that. AT&T uses centrex
setups, which means that the lines run from the lead number (which you got from
DA) up to a certain number, depending upon how many centrex lines they have.
Now, just manually scan the centrex group on other type G numbers (like
nxx-2010, 2020, etc.) and you will usually find a unix system. I found one in
St. Louis, and one in Atlanta, and one other major city I cant remember
offhand. It took less than 5 mins. in all cases. Also, if the HQ number is not
a type G number (it wont be something like nxx-5872 for the lead number unless
they are not using centrex), then try the corporate building.
To get dialups from SCCS: Run the unix shell (bin:sh!) from a developer
account, and then go into the /usr directory. Do a ls-a on all the directories
under /usr. You should see files named .remotecntl and .scanscntl. cat these
files and they will contain dialups (see the file I uploaded, it has several of
these in it). The scanscntl file is written to the users home directory when
they execute the call:scans! command from SCCH (scc shell). The number they
enter the first time they run this command will be written to this file. From
then on, every time that user types the call:scans! command, SCCSH will search
his home rdirectory for the .scanscntl file and dial the number in the file
andnd also use the baud rate listed after the number. The same thing is true of
the .rmotecntl files, except they are from the call:rmote! command. I have
scored several good systems like this (datakits, eadas, unixes, etc. and even
an lmos, esac minnicomputers, etc.) and also gotten lame things like tymnet
dialups.
SCANS is the software change admin. notification system. SCANS is used to
update the software on switching systems like 1,1A,2,2B,3,DMS-100, etc. etc.
SCANS has BWMs (broadcast warning messages) which are like batch files to be
applied to ESS offices through SCCS by ESAC personell. ESAC downloads the BWM
they need (to fix a bug or something) through SCCSs call: command, and then
they use send: to send the filename to the given office where it is applied.
Anyway, you cant use call: yourself unless you have VT100 type emulation (i
dont). Well, you can but it will be a mess.
You guys post some of the things you have found on systems and such. To my
knowledge, both items I have posted here are 'original' work, that is, I got
these methods on my own (whopee fuck) also please dont spread this to anyone.
%> Message: 6 of 47
%> Title: need
%> When: 3/30/89 at 11:58 pm
%> Left by: ANI Failure [Level: 8]
Anyone have any PABX DISA lines? Will trade info for them. I want them to
engineer operators in those areas, not use alliance conf. services. Of course I
could social engineer a tops/tsps to complete a call to an inward, but I would
rather do that from a pbx instead of from a payphone.
If anyone ever nneeds an 800 number xlated just le me know and I'll see what I
can do...
oops.
%> Message: 7 of 47
%> Title: 5ess tracing
%> When: 3/31/89 at 12:00 am
%> Left by: ANI Failure [Level: 8]
AT 5E
CAT: CANNOT OPEN 5E
$ CAT 5E*
to put up a trace in hms0: TRC:CLID:ADD,DN=XXXXXXX;
in kws0: TRC:LINE:NRCT:DN=XXXXXXX,STATE=EN;
to take down a trace in hms0: TRC:CLID:DEL,DN=XXXXXXX;
in kws0: TRC:LINE:NRCT:DN=XXXXXXX,STATE=ER;
to get list: OP:CLID;
$ p
%> Message: 8 of 47
%> Title: 1AESS expansion (SCCS)
%> When: 3/31/89 at 12:04 am
%> Left by: ANI Failure [Level: 8]
120621032503
A 02 PUCDL DIAG ABORTED 00 00 ERROR
#258
12/06 21:03:25 chlid:03 ess1a ma25e.mtc
---------- end of expansion ----------
120621032503
A 02 PUCDL DL 00 PUC 00 DGNABT EXC
ETM 00 DL 00 OOS FLT
#259
12/06 21:03:25 chlid:03 ess1a ma25e.mtc
---------- end of expansion ----------
120621032503
M 02 REPT:CVDATA ADR OLD NEW DATA
07724245 01746000 01726000
#265
12/06 21:03:25 chlid:03 ess1a ma25e.mtc
---------- end of expansion ----------
120621032503
A 02 MPPF PUC 0
REPORT 2
20162001 00101500 00007777 00177777 00061440 00000000
#260
12/06 21:03:25 chlid:03 ess1a ma25e.mtc
: MPPF PUC Expansion SBESAC 08/86 : Report: 2
PUC INTERRUPT ( I/O Fault ) MESSAGE ID NUMBER 162001
WORD TWO : Active Controller ( 1 ) Scan Memory Row 61
Application cycle failed due to maintenance
Controller in duplex as master
Maintenance on
Word THREE : Active Contrller Scan Memory Row 62:
I/O data parity fault in mate
I/O transfer fault in mate
I/O transfer fault
I/O data parity fault
Word FOUR : Active Controller Scan Memory Row 63:
WORD FIVE : 61440 IS FIRMWARE ADDRESS AT FAULT
WORD SIX : I/O AND EXTERNAL FAULT CODES
First Fault Detected by Scam Row 62 In Mate Controller
No Fault Detected By Scam Row 62
First Fault Found By SCAM Row 63 In Standby Controller
No Fault Found By SCAM Row 63
I/O Fault Code
No I/O Fault
---------- end of expansion ----------
120621032903
A 02 PUCERROR 00 1
160100 000004
#261
12/06 21:03:29 chlid:03 ess1a ma25e.mtc
---------- end of expansion ----------
*
Ok that was pulled from the EXPAND program on SCCS /sccbin/expand. That is just
an example of how EXPAND cann decipher the numeric/octal code into english.
%> Message: 9 of 47
%> Title: BLUEBOX REPORT
%> Left by: Anonymous
Here is the BLUEBOX fraud report that the Corporate Security Center (CSC)
receives from SCCS.
This is an actual report so do not distribute to *anyone* outside of this sub.
BLUE BOX DAILY SUMMARY REPORT
DATE: 12/16/88
TIME: 00:02
| DAILY COUNTS | SIGIRR TRAFFIC SUMMARY
------------|-------------------------|-------------------------------
| | NO. NO. SIGIRR INEFF
| NO. DIS- | CALLS SIGIRR INVST INVST
OFFICE | MSGS INH CONN | INVST INVST DET MF SIGIRR
----------------------------------------------------------------------
DYBHFLMA25E 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
TRAFFIC SUMMARY AS OF 0
Report for office 'COCOFLIH77E' not generated.
COCOFLIH77E 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
TRAFFIC SUMMARY AS OF 0
DYBHFLOS44E 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
TRAFFIC SUMMARY AS OF 0
MLBRFLMA72E 2 0 0 725 785 2 8
EGLLFLBG25E 1 0 0 138 155 1 0
Report for office 'TTVLFLMA26E' not generated.
TTVLFLMA26E 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
TRAFFIC SUMMARY AS OF 0
NSBHFLMA42E 0 0 0 202 210 0 1
TRAFFIC SUMMARY AS OF 1631
Report for office 'COCOFLMADSO' not generated.
COCOFLMADSO 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
TRAFFIC SUMMARY AS OF 0
Report for office 'COCOFLCB78E' not generated.
COCOFLCB78E 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
TRAFFIC SUMMARY AS OF 0
Report for office 'COCOFLMI45E' not generated.
COCOFLMI45E 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
TRAFFIC SUMMARY AS OF 0
BLUE BOX DAILY SUMMARY REPORT (CONTINUED)
DATE: 12/16/88
TIME: 00:02
| DAILY COUNTS
------------|---------------------------------------------------------
| BLUEBOX BLUEBOX BLUEBOX BLUEBOX
| DETECTION DETECTION CALL CALL
OFFICE | ACTIVE CLEARED DETECTED DISCONNECT
----------------------------------------------------------------------
# # # $
$ rm -f * hahaha end of capture.
well i hope someone liked that. everyone else u/l things they consider
interesting and we can get some good activities going..
%> Message: 10 of 47
%> Title: lalalala
%> When: 3/31/89 at 8:25 am
%> Left by: Generic 1BED5 [Level: 8]
LMOS chit..
---- ---
2322941.x
2322943.x LMOS FN11/FN12 A
2322944.x LMOS FN13/FN14 B
2322945.x LMOS FN15/FN16 C
2322946.x LMOS FN17 D
I must have more, I'll look d00d.
As to Blue I think he should be in LOH. As to others, I don't know. If you
guys feel there safe, ok, but I think the group is getting too big.There
allready is a informant or something on here, because one of the people I talk
too was talking about a private bbs that had something about att&govnermant on
it.. Look familer(SP?) I like it just the way it is! Why do we need more
people?
As to the VAX Philz!, I've got tonz of man's.
VAX FORTRAN
VAX/VMS
Guide to using DLC and procedurs on VAX/VMS
Intro to Document set
Glossary
Master Index
System Dump Analizer
Intro to system Routines
Show cluster glossary
and a few other things.
Doom, Legion of
%> Message: 11 of 47
%> Title: ?
%> When: 4/1/89 at 12:01 pm
%> Left by: The Mentor [SysOp] [Level: 11]
I don't understand why Chris doesn't already have access here. It's kind of
amusing to watch people who weren't even in the group when he helped start it
try to decide if he's fit to be back in... I'm raising his level.
As far as SP goes, I'd say yes. As for Archer, no, not yet. This is not the
place to start breaking people who've been out of hacking for so long back in.
loyd
%> Message: 12 of 47
%> Title: .
%> When: 4/1/89 at 7:16 pm
%> Left by: Erik Bloodaxe [Level: 8]
SHOULD CHRIS HAVE ACCESS? FUCKER! HAVE I DONE SOMETHING TO OFFEND YOU, OH
EXALTED ONE? PLEASE, LET ME BEND OVER AND LICK YOUR ROYAL BOOTS AND SMOOCH
YOUR ROYAL ASS. YOU LET DREW PUT UP AN LOD SUB, YOU GLADLY LET TODD ON IT,
AND YET NO ONE EVEN TELLS ME ITS HERE. FUCK YOU. AND BOB HAS BEEN IN LOD AS
LONG AS I HAVE, SO WHAT'S THIS LETS RECONSIDER SKINNY PUPPY BULLSHIT?!? GET
BACK TO TERRA FIRMA LEX. YOU BETTER START TREATING THIS AS A GROUP, RATHER
THAN PLAYING FAVORITES OR EVERYONE WILL KEEP ON DISTRUSTING EVERYONE.
ANOTHER INTERESTING NOTE, I REMEMBER WHEN YOU GAVE UP ALL RIGHTS TO LOD AND
TOLD DAVE TO TAKE IT OVER. I GUESS YOU BLEW THAT OFF, BUT TECHNICALLY, YOU
WEREN'T IN LOD FOR A WHILE, WERE YOU? WE NEVER GOT TO TAKE A VOTE ON LETTING
YOU BACK IN...
A PISSED OFF:
->ME
%> Message: 13 of 47
%> Title: Fuck you!
%> When: 4/2/89 at 9:33 am
%> Left by: Generic 1BED5 [Level: 8]
Lloyd, talking about breaking people in.. What the fuck do all these old
guy's YOU let in do? I never see anything from them except alliances. How do
you do blv? what's COIN do? Ever been in PREDICTOR. I don't have a problem
w/ ERIC since he's your friend and all, but what the fuck. Blue was in LOH,
LONG before you were.. This really sucks.. I'm sick of fighting with you about
stupid things. Why do you want almost everyone that is around in the group?
That makes LOD just like any other group around. It took me and you (rember
talking about this?) 4-5 years to get in LOD, now a few old people come back
and we have no right to not let them in? Fuck that.. Ok, I was in the CIA,
now I'm not, but hay.. I think I want to be in again.. I don't know shit about
it anymore because I haven't been in, in about 3 years.. But I was in so I
want back in now.. I don't think your in charge of putting people in.. I think
bad subscript shuld be in. Lloyd dosn't like him, but I do, so I'm putting him
on the board.. YOUR NOT IN CHARGE!
and as to your fucking secure bbs. Someone on here is giving the info to
security people.. My friend was telling me about a bbs in 703 that has info
about ATT&the Government.. Dosn't sound like mr. secure bbs to me.
(hahahah, this is getting too funny)
Mr. Asshole (as some people think)
%> Message: 14 of 47
%> Title: ...
%> When: 4/2/89 at 11:21 pm
%> Left by: The Mentor [SysOp] [Level: 11]
Ah yes, another oh-so-literate post from Mr. Dan. Let's start with the most
ludicrous of claims, the so-called secure board problem.
A 'board in 703'. Gee, could it be Atlantis? Nah. Could it be this one?
Maybe. But everyone in the world seems to know that this board exists (since
some people can't keep their mouth shut), so it doesn't surprise me that some
of your 'friends' have heard about it...
But Danny boy, if I had to pick one person off here who I think is passing
buffers of this board around, his initials would be D.C. C'mon, never told Don
about this setup? Never let him 'look around' with your account? Right.
Let's move along... is this the same person I sat with at a swimming pool,
tripping, talking about how cool it was to be in LOD? Remember talking about
how good everyone was that'd been involved in it? Now all of a sudden no one's
'good enough' if they don't know a dozen LMOS masks. Well I've got news for
you- Coin and PREDICTOR don't mean shit to me, either. But you couldn't hack
your way out of a VAX or a PDP, much less into one.
Fuck you Mr. Michigan Bell Security Flunky. I don't know who told you your
shit doesn't stink, but I can smell it from here...
Mentor
%> Message: 15 of 47
%> Title: hahahaha
%> When: 4/3/89 at 6:07 pm
%> Left by: Generic 1BED5 [Level: 8]
Tell me Lloyd, why is it so important that 300 people have to be in the group?
We don't do shit! The only people that do shit (That talk to other members) is
You (Lloyd, Chris(don't know him well but he's ok), Adam, Frank, Scott, me, and
Rob. That's great!! But why the others? I'm not trying to fight with you..
Really! I LIKE YOU! But I don't let others use this account, and Don dosn't
look around, but someone on here is a fed! I know I don't know what I'm
talking about. I was told that "The private BBS in 703 has stuff about AT&T
and The Government. That is THIS FUCKING BBS. Lloyd, just think about what
I'm saying. The less people the better. I don't want any of us to get busted
because of something really stupid.. Chris is ok.. But shit.. What about
Cypher? He's so shakey.. I donno.. Don't fight w/ me. Let's just have an
inteligent discussion.
1BED5
L0D
%> Message: 16 of 47
%> Title: JEEESUS!
%> When: 4/3/89 at 6:28 pm
%> Left by: Erik Bloodaxe [Level: 8]
FUCK, DAN, THE ONLY REASON YOU ARE SAYING THAT I'M OK IS BECAUSE I'M READING
ALL THIS, ISN'T IT?
THERE ISN'T MUCH ON THIS BBS, NOR WAS THERE EVER ABOUT AT&T AND THE GOVERNMENT.
ATLANTIS, ANOTHER PRIVATE BBS, DOES HAVE INFO ON THE WHITEHOUSE, GOVEERNMENT
COMPUTERS, AND AT&T THINGS, (IN NEW JERSEY, DATAKITS) WHY DON'T YOU CALL IT
AND RELIEVE YOUR WORRIES?
AS TO PEOPLES WORTH, YOU ARE CONTRADICTING YOURSELF. FIRST YOU SAY THAT YOU
HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING FROM ANYONE BUT ONLY TALKED TO THEM ON ALLIANCES, YET,
THEN YOU SCREAM THAT BLUE ARCHER SHOULD BE ON HERE. WELL GUESS WHAT: I'VE
KNOWN HIM AND OF HIM FOR A LOOOOONG TIME AND MOST OF HIS SPECIALTY IS OBSOLETE
(TOPS) HE WAS ALSO INTO PHONES A LITTLE FROM WHAT HE TOLD ME WAY BACK, BUT HE
DROPPED OUT A LONG TIME AGO. LOOK, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING FROM CONTROL C
EXCEPT A WIDELY PUBLICISED BUST AND A JOB WITH MICHIGAN BELL.
LOOK, I'M AN INTELLIGENT GUY, AND I'VE BEEN RIDING HIGH ON THE NATIONAL CIRCUIT
FOR OVER 6 YEARS NOW, DON'T YOU THINK I'VE PICKAD UP ANYTHING? I'LL PUT MY
KNOWLEDGE ON ANYTHING (BUT PHONE COMPUTERS) AGAINST ANYONES. I NEVER REALLY
CARED ABOUT PHONE COMPUTERS, NEVER REALLY DID. JUST BECAUSE SOME OF YOU LIVE
THEM DOESN'T MEAN ONE WHO DOESN'T IS AN IMBECILE.r CAN WE DROP ALL THIS, PUT
BOB ON HERE AND BE HAPPY, OR WILL WE CHANGE THE NAME TO LEGION OF WARS?
->ME
%> Message: 17 of 47
%> Title: misc
%> When: 4/3/89 at 10:14 pm
%> Left by: The Urvile [Level: 8]
number one: if anybody posts any sbdn stuff anymore, i will personally
kill you.
number two: this is so fucking lame. looks like we've split into two groups
right here. should we just give up & go home? dan was trying to apologize,
if i read one of the above messages correctly. also, IF dan was letting don
look around on here, would he have brought the subject up? please, be
reasonable: no one on here is that stupid. .
one of the main reasons dan "got mad at you again" was that you told people
that he was phase jitter. (well, you told andrew, which is reasonable enough,
but i thought we were going to keep this a secret)
the whole bits about phones vs all other machines: who cares? i personally
know both pretty well, but that's me being an egomaniac. if you're good, then
you're good. no two ways about it. i say that we talk it over, nice and calm,
and see if we can iron our little differences out, eh? granted, dan isn't much
of a hacker, per se, but he does 'know phones,' as lex put it.
as it stands now, am i the only person who is real friends with loyd & dan? i
see noone else jumping up & saying "whoa, let's calm down here, eh".
number three: i own sbdn. noone should post anything about it unless you have
a vested interest in it. i don't want to see ANYBODY with my lmos except me.
ME ME ME, mine, all mine.
number four: there should be something we could agree on, shouldn't there?
i like to think we are all more or less reasonable people, so i'm sure we can
make some sort of compromise here, hm?
just a remark: notice noone posted anything on here in weeks? except things
"edited" so we couldn't harm ourselves, i guess. that is insulting to me,
personally.
another colon thing: i say bob should be in here. i say no to archer, because
I DON'T KNOW HIM. GUESS HOW LONG I'VE BEEN HACKING! go on, guess.
no. less than four years. less than three, really. guess i loozzzeeee, huh?
%> Message: 18 of 47
%> Title: Intelligent Discussion
%> When: 4/4/89 at 2:18 am
%> Left by: Lex Luthor [SubOp] [Level: 8]
This group is a DEMOCRACY. I no longer want to or consider to have the power
to let anyone in the group. No one person has that power either.
I never dropped out of the group. LOD and LOH were separate entities, yet still
related. Dave (bill from rnoc) was put in charge of LOD (the phones side of
things) While I remained in control of LOH (Hacking). Then Dave ran into
trouble and we designated authority of LOD to ANI-F. Now LOD/H is a single
entity since it was too difficult to separate them and also since people have
interests in both phones and computers.
After Summercon last year when Leftist, Mentor, and ANI-F took it upon
themselves to admit Adam, Dan, and Prime without even letting me know,
I decided that NOTHING gets done without a vote. Also, I wrote the History of
LOD/H file which everyone should have read (it was on Phoenix Project.) That is
somewhat of a bible. It stated that people listed as Inactive can be
re-admitted without any problem, however those who remained inactive too long,
ie: Fucked Agent 04 move into the out of lod/h category. Both Chris and Bob are
in that category. I didn't see nor hear of them or what they were up to for at
least 2 years. If everyone who was in the group is still considered in, then
we would have 30+ people in it. I was never informed that Chris wanted or
considered himself still in the group.
For that reason I decided to vote for access to this sub for him, and
re-addmittance to the group. However Loyd told me that he never knew he was
not in the group. I have listed in the file all those who are no longer in when
they left, for what reason, etc. If anyone wants back in they have to be voted
on again.
Both Blue Archer and The Marauder were in the INACTIVE category and can get
back in w/out any problems. Scott (B.A.) has been keeping slightly active and
concentrates on hacking in general not just hacking TOPS-20 systems. He is one
of the best hackers I have ever known.
Bob seems concerned about the arguing going on within the group. He, like I
feel we should settle things and move on.
So, I will update the History lof LOD/H file to add Chris, and everyone
voice their opinion on BoB. I believe both are in since there is little
opposition.
Marauder and Archer can get access to this sub but are not a considered
active members until we discuss them (Plus they may not want to become active
which is the Marauders case, he just wants to keep up to date, whereas Archer
seems to indicate that he wants to get back into things).
Dan, as far as 300 members is concerned or that the group is getting too
big, thats all immaterial. What is important is the the members are :
1) Trustworthy
2) Excel in their area of expertise
3) DO NOT RAG ON PEOPLE
#3: In the past LOD wes very respected because we helped people and didn't
rag on them (at least publiclly) about not being that knowledgeable, etc.
Wars between us and other groups never happened. What did happen was that other
groups decided they were at war with us, and we simply ignored them..
People who conduct themselves in a manner which degrades not only themselves
but the group as a whole will/should be voted upon for dismissal. I want to
hear EVERYONES opinion on this.
Internal group discussion/ragging may be inevitable at times but there is no
need to do it to people outside the group.
So Chris, read the lod/h file or I will update it and upload it here, then
re-read your Message to me and see how wrong it really is.
I am on everyones side, everyone has a valid point.
All business is accomplished thru voting. Majority vote rules. If someone
does not like it, they can resign.
Lex
PS. Dan, the reason it seems like we have 300 members is because you have
285 different handles.
%> Message: 19 of 47
%> Title: fuck!!
%> When: 4/5/89 at 1:17 am
%> Left by: ANI Failure [Level: 8]
fuck fuck fuck! I try to start posting some decent stuff and everyone else
starts wars and fighting. FUck this! I thought we were supposed to be a group.
There are sub-groups within LOD/H of friends and such and war seems to come
easily.
Lex: the reason summercon was chosen as a regrouping of lod was because as far
as we all knew, you had retired, and no one could get hold of you anyway cause
no one had your number (that we knew of at the time anyway). maybe we jumped
the gun a bit, but it was in good faith.
people - lets talk about something other than our differences!!
%> Message: 20 of 47
%> Title: ok ok
%> When: 4/5/89 at 2:42 am
%> Left by: The Mentor [SysOp] [Level: 11]
Ok, I'm sorry. Dan, I'll bring a bottle of tequila to ICEcon, you & me will
sit & do shots & throw up together & everything will be fine.
Let's get this straight now...
People Currently In:
Lex, ANI, Urvile, Phase/Generic/Lmos/Dan, Leftist, Prophet, Bloodaxe, me.
People who need to be 'officially' put back in:
Skinny Puppy, Maurader
People who may or may not get back in:
Blue Archer, Kerrang Kahn/Red Eye
People Who are sort of in but I haven't heard from in months & months:
Prime Suspect, Doom Prophet/Ferrod Sensor
People Under Considerations as Members:
Empty Promise
Did I leave anyone out? Didn't mean to...
loyd
%> Message: 21 of 47
%> Title: YA KNOW...
%> When: 4/5/89 at 6:25 pm
%> Left by: Erik Bloodaxe [Level: 8]
EVERYONE NEEDS TO TALK TO EVERYONE ELSE ONCE IN A WHILE. I THINK IF WE COULD
ALL JUST GET A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH PEOPLE WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WELL.
WE OBVIOUSLY NEED TO HANG OUT WITH EACH OTHER AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK ON A BRIDGE
OR A CONF OR SOMETHING, OR AT LEAST TRY TO CALL ONE ANOTHER. LACK OF
COMMUNICATION SEEMS TO BE THE REASON WHY I WAS ASSUMED DEAD WHEN I HAVE NEVER
EVEN LEFT THE SCENE. I AM USUALLY AVAILABLE WEEKNIGHTS AFTER 8 CST IF ANYONE
CARES TO TALK. I HAVE ALMOST EVERYONES NUMBER BUT LEX'S.
I AM APOLOGIZING TO LEX, AS IT WOULD SEEM OUR NOT TALKING IN OVER FOUR YEARS
HAS CONFUSED THINGS A BIT. SOMEONE GIVE HIM MY NUMBER NEXT TIME YOU TALK.
NOW, SOMEONE GIVE ME A PROJECT TO MAKE ME FEEL WORTHWHILE.
->ME
%> Message: 22 of 47
%> Title: stuff
%> When: 4/5/89 at 11:27 pm
%> Left by: Lex Luthor [SubOp] [Level: 8]
I had a good reason for not giving my # to anyone back then. Now that I have
given it to LOD only, other non-lod people seem to have it. It makes me wonder
if anyone in lod has given it out. Although I suspect pulling tolls is partly
responsible. It bothers me especially when Taran King calls me and wants to
talk, but refuses to tell me who/where he got my # from.
Loyd: Your list is correct.
Erik: I will call you soon.
RE: Marauder. I believe he wants access to keep up to date but will remain
inactive.
RE: Empty Promise. Lets get a vote on him.
VOTING POLICY: No one HAS to vote. They may abstain for any reason. No one can
vote on soneome if they have never spoke to them (ie: e-mail or voice). They
must abstain. It is recommended that all current members speak to anyone up
for a vote. IE: EP. As most everyone has.
The main problem is # security. Every one of us is concerned with giving out
our numbers. This becomes a problem when trying to add a new member as there
is no way to speak to the nominee so I was compelled to write my previous
message to clear things up and get on track.
On track is: The Legion Of Doom/Hackers Technical Journal Issue #4.
My Tymnet article is supposed to be in it, but I have to finish it. We need to
get previous TJ's online for other users.(Some have missed 2,3).
Lex
%> Message: 23 of 47
%> Title: Ok, sorry LLoyd..
%> When: 4/6/89 at 9:30 am
%> Left by: Generic 1BED5 [Level: 8]
Chris, I said I like you and I ment it.. (as you can see I really don't care
what people think of me)
Lloyd, Sorry.. We'll bash..
Frank, Here's some of those LMOS masks I was talking about:
ABJ-097
AGT
DBTRAN
DCHOL
DEFT
DISP
DRNLT
DRMLT
CMOR
ITE
MH
MSCR
PPTR
PST
PBOR
RCAF
RCMD
RLIST
RST
RTE
SAB
SCHED
TED
TER-ML
TR
TRKR
TV
TE
TR
Lex, call me.
Ani, I got all your messages, but you must have got me between the office
and home.. call me.
chat, Well I got a call yesterday that my mom took. They said "Dan works at
MBT still?" and my mom says "Yes". I can't beleve it.. I think it was Peet.
Ani knows about moms, except mine's the opposite..
Love Generic 1BED5
%> Message: 24 of 47
%> Title: misc
%> When: 4/6/89 at 10:58 pm
%> Left by: The Urvile [Level: 8]
well, i guess i lose. i know what _i_'m good at. there are a few people here
who i have no idea what you do other than talk big. assume what you want
from my statement.
>Leftist, Ani-f, Mentor
did loyd get into lod before summercon? uhm, no. let's kiss up, eh?
fuck this.
%> Message: 25 of 47
%> Title: adam
%> When: 4/7/89 at 3:36 am
%> Left by: The Mentor [SysOp] [Level: 11]
Adam- take all this balled up agression and do a *big* bong hit with it.
Chill, d00d.
Speaking of bong hits, who is going to show up in Dallas. Since we don't have
to deal with airlines, me & the Axeman will try and arrange for party supplies.
If someone else will bring booze, I'll take care of rec. pharmacuticals.
Frank, we won't even twist your arm... (but no preaching, ok?)
Party! You hear me damnit? Party!
So far the list seems to be: me, chris, dan, adam, maybe frank.
Rumors about about other people. Chris, post the dates/times/location and
phone # of the hotel again...
mentor
%> Message: 26 of 47
%> Title: oh yeah
%> When: 4/7/89 at 3:37 am
%> Left by: The Mentor [SysOp] [Level: 11]
My official-type votes.
Skinny Puppy/Who: Yes
Empty Promise: Yes
Blue Archer: No vote until I talk to him. He's here in town...
Kerrang Kahn: No for now...
mentor
%> Message: 27 of 47
%> Title: hm.
%> When: 4/7/89 at 11:32 pm
%> Left by: The Urvile [Level: 8]
fuck life.
bob, yes. red kahn, no. roy promise, no fucking way. scott archer,
mmmaybe.
%> Message: 28 of 47
%> Title: My vote
%> When: 4/8/89 at 7:05 am
%> Left by: Generic 1BED5 [Level: 8]
Empty : No
Who: yes
Blue: yes
Kahn: No
%> Message: 29 of 47
%> Title: vote
%> When: 4/9/89 at 10:20 am
%> Left by: Lex Luthor [SubOp] [Level: 8]
My turn
Empty: YES
WHO: YES
Archer: YES
Red Khan: I dont have his number, and have not talked to him in 2 years.
So I cannot make a decision.
Chris: Be cool w/ all the TYMNET info. No need to have all those who can access
the general sub fuck w/anything. If stuff starts dying before we entrench
ourselves into their network we will be fucked.
%> Message: 30 of 47
%> Title: members
%> When: 4/10/89 at 2:24 am
%> Left by: ANI Failure [Level: 8]
WhoBob:Yes
Empty Promis:Yes
Blue Archer: Not sure, I would be inclined for the yes side due to his
reputation but I dont know him so that makes me hold back. I am sure he would
be ok though.
Adam - what did you mean in your message. Are you trying to be attacking? I
dont really think any of lod/h talk big, well not the majority anyway (haha.)
what is the fucking diff anyway. maybe some people would rather not have others
know exactly what they do. You are being argumentativ when it is not needed.
%> Message: 31 of 47
%> Title: HEY
%> When: 4/10/89 at 5:19 pm
%> Left by: Erik Bloodaxe [Level: 8]
SOMEONE BETTER GIVE ME SOMETHING TO DO OR I WILL GET VERY ANGRY. I AM BORED
AND UNMOTIVATED, SO YOU PEOPLE BETTER GIVE ME A PROJECT, OR AT LEAST COME UP
WITH SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT DONE, RESEARCHED, ETC...
->ME
%> Message: 32 of 47
%> Title: TJ4
%> When: 4/11/89 at 1:32 pm
%> Left by: Lex Luthor [SubOp] [Level: 8]
Erik, work on a file for the Tech. Journal. I do plan on listing you and Bob
as acknowlegements in my TYMNET article since both of you have added to my
number of systems and such.
ANI-F is working on an update to the Vax/VMS files.
I also want to update the Telenet directory .
If we are on the short side of articles, I am going to re-release The Flying
Avacodoes article on Hacking the HP3000. It is an excellent article and hardly
anyone has it.
Loyd had written something on UUCP but am not sure what he plans to do with it.
Adam: if you talk to frank have him call and vote.
lex
%> Message: 33 of 47
%> Title: ME AGAIN...
%> When: 4/11/89 at 4:41 pm
%> Left by: Erik Bloodaxe [Level: 8]
IF ANYONE CARES:
BOB : FUCKING YES
ROY : FUCKING YES
DUNCAN: FUCKING NO
SCOTT : FUCKING MAYBE
I HAVE SPOKEN...
I WILL DO SOME WORK FOR THE TELENET UPDATE. DO YOU WANT CHECKS ON THE OLD
AREAS, AS WELL AS NEWER ONES? I WILL START SCANNING NEW AREAS TONIGHT.
PROBABLY X11XXXX SO NOONE USURP ME, OK?
IF THERE IS A FILE THAT NEEDS TO BE WRITTEN ON ANYTHING, LET ME KNOW AND I WILL
WRITE IT. JUST TELL ME A SUBJECT, AND I`LL RESEARCH IT. IF AUTONET HAD SENT
ME ANYTHING, I WOULD WRITE AN AUTONET FILE. HOPEFGULLY THEY WILL WHEN I CALL
THEM AGAIN TODAY.
I`M GOING TO PUT UP A VOTING QUESTIONAIRRE ABOUT ICE CON SO EVERYONE MAKE SURE
TO ANSWER, OK? REMEMBER JUNE 9-12.
->ME
CHARTER LEGIONAIRRE OF DOOM
CLOD!
%> Message: 34 of 47
%> Title: misc
%> When: 4/12/89 at 8:22 pm
%> Left by: The Urvile [Level: 8]
well, yes, i was being argumentative, but not with you.
for reference purposes, i truly respect two (2) people on here.
most of the rest are "okay" <yes, `ERIK` you fit in here. you don't know
f0nez!!@#@! and why don't you answer my fucking mail to walt.cc?>
and what the hell, nobody reads my messages anyway.
oh, yes: frank said he votes with me.
like (an anonymous person said): how can we trust roy? how many hackers
are ex-cryptographers (alleged), ex-trw (alleged), and sprint hunted (probably)
and live? huh?
back to urban again. i hope you choke on it if you don't like it.
%> Message: 35 of 47
%> Title: my votes
%> When: 4/13/89 at 4:43 am
%> Left by: The Leftist [Level: 8]
for anyone that gives a shit anyway...
I vote no to everyone except Roy, and thats as above, a fucking maybe..
Man, after going thru all the above posts, im really suprised at all the
hostility in the group.. guess it keeps things interesting..anyway, im thinking
this sub should really be on another board, somewhere else, also, i talked to
pete today, and i am convinced he's not a fed, funny thing was that he thought
he was still in LOD.. guess noone bothered to tell him he was out.
%> Message: 36 of 47
%> Title: also
%> Left by: Anonymous
im looking forward to the airplane trip to dallas, should be lots of fun, and
loyd, dont worry, you know as well as i do the way I like to part!
Frank
%> Message: 37 of 47
%> Title: project code:
%> When: 4/14/89 at 8:55 pm
%> Left by: Lex Luthor [SubOp] [Level: 8]
Of the 8 active people Loyd listed in msg #20 7 have voted. If Prophet doesn't
call in 1 week we will have to bypass him for voting. And then Tally.
Also Prime Suspect and Doom Prophet (I forgot his new handle) are heading for
the INACTIVE list fast. Active status is considered as putting in your 2 cents
on this sub. If they get on here then they can vote.
Voting should be deadlined no sooner than 1 week from today (Friday 4-14 ) and
no later than May 1.
Erik: We need new addresses after sufficient addresses have been obtained, we
will check all old ones. Be sure to omit anything sensitive from your results.
Anywone who wants to scan / update be sure to put all results in a file and
get them to me. (Upload them here). I will do the update on the file. This will
end up in 2600 so If you contribute you can be a star since your name will be
listed as a contributor if you so desire. right.
Lex
%> Message: 38 of 47
%> Title: The Mount Sinai Tourist Resort
%> When: 4/15/89 at 4:06 pm
%> Left by: The Prophet [Level: 8]
Well, here I am. Bypass me anyway, I know very little about the people in
question.
Many people prowl round Mount Sinai. Their speech is blurred, either they are
garrulous or they shout or they are taciturn. But none of them comes straight
down a broad, newly made, smooth road that does its own part in making one's
strides long and swifter.
%> Message: 39 of 47
%> Title: wow..
%> When: 4/18/89 at 1:16 am
%> Left by: The Leftist [Level: 8]
some pretty deep ramblings there prophet.. anyway, hey I'll call Prime sus. and
inform him to get his ass in gear.. he stays busy...
frank
oh yeah, got an L.O.D. conference bridge.. lets set up a night, and I'll have
evryone call me or adam voice to be transferred into the conference. this could
be good provided everyone has a way to call for Phree d00dz...
lateron.........
%> Message: 40 of 47
%> Title: so
%> When: 4/21/89 at 2:24 am
%> Left by: The Urvile [Level: 8]
if scott (suspect) doesn't call here, he loses? what the fuck?
i must admit, he is probably more active than some, how shall we say,
active members, but hey.
hey chris! whazup, where's that mail? my blacklist is getting longer
all the time, you know.
rob: remember those of us that are local? maybe you wouldn't have telenet
problems if you'd talk to us. heavens know you talk to scott more than
me & frank put together.
WC% `inq
INQ(3)
_/USR/COSMOS/INQ(3)
actually, the _ should not be there, but this editor is too eleeet for me.
so if you want, you can enter /usr/cosmos/inq and then the hunt arguments.
worthless, huh? well, i thought it was cute e.
well, don't i have a lot to bitch about, huh? don't i always?
what would happen if i didn't? would anyone care? would anybody
except scott & frank call me? would i care? would dan quit asking
how to get root on unix's? should i care? should i stop asking questions?
just what IS the point? i don't know. really.
%> Message: 41 of 47
%> Title: projects
%> When: 4/24/89 at 2:17 am
%> Left by: ANI Failure [Level: 8]
I feel the need for a new interesting project. I am burnt out on SCCS for the
moment, and I have explored countless hours on as many switches that I can get
my hands on, and I am at a pause-point (new word) due to lack of manuals/etc.
and desire for care (which brings about continued access to the goodies) which
makes me want to know what I am doing before I do it, not after. Unix is not my
fancy (technically speaking), and i'm not big on telenet, and i'm getting bored
with TYMNET too. The COCOT phones project has reached its conclusion (with the
result being mastery over the things, he he), etc. etc.
I guess i'll just finish my vax file for now and worry about it later.
hm. some ideas:
1) scan my local MC more
2) engineer whatever for whoever whenever
3) trash the telco yet again
4) trash tymnet/telenet/etc.
5) smoke some dope
actually, option 5 sounds good to me
%> Message: 42 of 47
%> Title: Tech Journal
%> When: 4/24/89 at 7:10 pm
%> Left by: The Prophet [Level: 8]
Er, say, does the Tech Journal exist anymore, or has it mercifully expired?
-TP
%> Message: 43 of 47
%> Title: tj
%> When: 4N 4/89 at 10:02 pm
%> Left by: The Mentor [SysOp] [Level: 11]
I'll be glad to start back to work on the tech journal... who has files for it?
Let me know...
loyd
%> Message: 44 of 47
%> Title: TJ
%> When: 4/26/89 at 11:29 am
%> Left by: ANI Failure [Level: 8]
Loyd, lets all contribute to my vax/vms file.. if you have nothing else to do,
it would be appreciated, and would make the file better as well. Also, I have
collected a large number of DEC-related system dialups over the past few
months, including DECservers, VAXes, ULTRIX, and others. I have approx 75
dialups or so, and the list grows almost daily. I was thinking we could make an
internal file of this, or mayve just trade some back and forth, i.e. I give one
out, everyone else gives me one they have, etc. so all of our lists could get
bigger.
By the way, here is MICRO800/X.25 dialup: 800-345-4533. I have not messed with
it much. It seems as if any address takes you to the same destination, but this
is a conclusion based upon limited data , so the validity of this is
questionable. i'm not sure if we could enter x.25 addressed on it or not, have
not tried yet. For instance a dunsnet nua (31102111010606) for the PAD. Anyway,
if you guys get anywhere with it let me know, and as always, this is
intra-group only..
I believe I now have the ability to pull 800 translations from a DMS-100
switch. I have the procedure documented but still need to try it out. I plan on
xlating a large number of 800 numbers just for curiositys sake. So if anyone
has any 800s they need the PTN/xlation for, post of mail and i'll try it out.
ERULIAF INA:ANI FAILURE:H/DOL:LOD/H:Benign Hackers of Amerika
%> Message: 45 of 47
%> Title: Predictor/ESS
%> When: 5/10/89 at 2:09 pm
%> Left by: Generic 1BED5 [Level: 8]
I never foud out if it is possible to do RCs through Predictor. I figured out
the TV for BLV, but I haven't spent time on the RCs. Has anyone done that, or
should it be worked on..
%> Message: 46 of 47
%> Title: tj
%> When: 5/10/89 at 4:04 pm
%> Left by: Lex Luthor [SubOp] [Level: 8]
I am moving for the summer to location X and cannot be contacted. I will
be in touch with the bbs and everyone else. I want to get sluggos article
and review it. We must get Issue #4 out in 2 months. I will be in touch in
about 2 weeks (getting settled).
lex
%> Message: 47 of 47
%> Title: YA KNOW
%> When: 5/17/89 at 1:58 am
%> Left by: Erik Bloodaxe [Level: 8]
ISSUE FOUR IN 2 MONTHS, HUH?
THIS IS RIDICULOUS...NOONE CALLS, NOONE WRITES...THE ONLY PEOPLE I TALK TO ON A
REGULAR BASIS ARE DAN, BOB, AND LOYD...ADAM AND FRANK NOW AND AGAIN...SO JUST
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?
ABOUT THE TJ: SO, HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO TELL YOU THINGS TO ADD, WHAT
KIND OF REVISIONS, ETC... ON THE TELENET UPDATE...IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO
COMMUNICATE WITH US, THEN SOMEONE ELSE SHOULD REGULATE HOW THIS THING IS BEING
PUT OUT!!!!!! I'VE BEEN DISTRIBUTING TJS 1-3 ON BBSES AROUND THE GLOBE,
BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THE FUCK LOD ARE ANY MORE!!!
LOOK...I REALIZE THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO THAN COMMUNICATE,
BUT IF ANYTHING IS GOING TO GET DONE, SOMEONE NEEDS TO BE ACT AS A HUB TO
MEDIATE BETWEEN ALL MEMBERS... I WILL GLADLY VOLUNTEER MY SERVICES, AS MY
GIRLFRIEND WENT BACK HOME FOR THE SUMMER AND I HAVE NOTHING TO DO HERE
EXCITING...ALSO, I NOW HAVE AN IBM AND 60 MEGS SO I HAVE PLENTY OF SPACE AND
COMPUTING POWER TO PUT TOGETHER THE FILES...ALSO, SINCE I HAVE PROBABLY PUT OUT
MORE TECH JOURNALS IN THE LAST 2 WEEKS THAN ANYONE ELSE HAS IN THE LAST 2
YEARS, I VOTE FOR ME AGAIN!
YOU NKOW, IF NOONE CAN GET YOU LEX, YOU SHOULD CALL US SO WE CAN GIVE YOU SHIT
IF YOU ARE GOING TO "TAKE CHARGE" OTHERWISE, TRANSFER AUTHORITY TO OTHERS WHO
ARE MORE OBTAINABLE@!!!!!!!!
MAD AGAIN,
->ME
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%> Black Ice Private User List <%
Name Level Status Posts Last on
===============------------------=====------======-------=====-----=======--
System Operator 11 Sysop 33 5/16/89
The Mentor 11 Sysop 59 5/16/89
Epsilon 8 Charter 106 5/8/89
The Prophet 8 Charter 59 5/15/89
ANI Failure 8 Charter 220 5/6/89
The Urvile 8 Charter 71 5/4/89
Doc Cypher 8 Charter 56 5/13/89
Lex Luthor 8 Charter 21 5/10/89
The Leftist 8 Charter 20 5/14/89
Erik Bloodaxe 8 Charter 75 5/17/89
Empty Promise 8 Charter 16 5/5/89
Generic 1BED5 8 Charter 46 5/16/89
Skinny Puppy 8 Charter 93 4/23/89
Jester Sluggo 8 Charter 32 5/13/89
Red Eye 8 Charter 31 5/2/89
The Marauder 8 Charter 9 5/12/89
Ferrod Sensor 8 Charter 10 3/30/89
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