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From htoaster@yabbs Sat Feb 12 11:35:46 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: new base
Date: Sat Feb 12 11:35:46 1994
this base was made at the request of some of the users. I'll let them
post what it is exactly for.
alex
From Le@yabbs Sun Feb 13 00:32:40 1994
From: Le@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: could I be so bold
Date: Sun Feb 13 00:32:40 1994
as to ask what kind of mind games one is to play here?
From robtelee@yabbs Sun Feb 13 00:37:42 1994
From: robtelee@yabbs
To: Le@yabbs
Subject: Mind games
Date: Sun Feb 13 00:37:42 1994
Unless I miss my guess, this board is for self-analysis.
Take Care
From Le@yabbs Sun Feb 13 11:06:19 1994
From: Le@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: been there
Date: Sun Feb 13 11:06:19 1994
done that
I am ready to analyze others!
muahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
(but not you, you're perfect!)
From Xela@yabbs Sun Feb 13 12:15:16 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: mind games
Date: Sun Feb 13 12:15:16 1994
so lets start playing...
From Le@yabbs Sun Feb 13 15:04:06 1994
From: Le@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: so what do you have
Date: Sun Feb 13 15:04:06 1994
for me to work with?
From Xela@yabbs Sun Feb 13 16:19:54 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: Le@yabbs
Subject: So what do I have?
Date: Sun Feb 13 16:19:54 1994
Well....sometimes I look outside of myself and my relations to others,
and see very superficial human behavior: hatred, violence, etc.... And I
am very ambivalent to it; I really look on with cold, er..scientific,
interest you could say. Whenever I do this I just sit back and "watch."
You could say that I play mind games with myself...
Alex
From JasonLee@yabbs Sun Feb 13 18:36:47 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: So what do I have?
Date: Sun Feb 13 18:36:47 1994
That's not really that strange, simply observing strange/bad things going
on around you. I do a lot of that, just watching people walk around and
talk and trying to see what motivates them.
What I would like to know is how many people always try to imagine
themselves from other peoples' points of views? What I mean is: I rarely
get mad at anyone or anything ever, because I always have too much
perspective on situations in my life. In fact, I sometimes use too much
perspective and thus fail to act on potentially threatening choices. How
common is this to other people? Do you try to "be in the other person's
shoes"?
JasonLee
From Destiny@yabbs Sun Feb 13 18:46:41 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: "shoes"
Date: Sun Feb 13 18:46:41 1994
Well, I can't say that I "try to be in the other person's shoes", but at
times I do seem to find myself there. I am not sure as to whether it is
human nature, or just my nature that I often find myself relating to other
people's situations. I would assume that my mind chooses for me to merely
be an obsrever on the scientific level, but my emotions usually take over
and put me in such a place that I am no longer an observer, but an active
participant. being that I feel I am human being with not only a brain,
but also a spirit, I can never witness a situation without being directly
affected by it, and and having that effect change my actions in the
future. I hope I made some sort of sense to which you may be able to
relate.
P.S. I think I am going to like this message base.
-Destiny
From JasonLee@yabbs Sun Feb 13 18:56:22 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: re: "shoes"
Date: Sun Feb 13 18:56:22 1994
I think I have the opposite problem, but for the same reason. I seem to
try to see so much of what other people feel that I don't feel qualified
to participate. Is that the source of apathy?
JasonLee
From Destiny@yabbs Sun Feb 13 19:03:30 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: hmmm...
Date: Sun Feb 13 19:03:30 1994
I'm not sure that I am following what you are trying to explain to me.
You say you don't seem "qualified" to participate? And you are
questioning the "source of apathy". Maybe if you gave me a situation I
could better understand the idea you are trying to put forth.
Dest'
From Le@yabbs Sun Feb 13 19:25:38 1994
From: Le@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: other's shoes
Date: Sun Feb 13 19:25:38 1994
But when you are in another's shoes, do you feel what you would
feel in the same situation, or do you actually KNOW how that person
feels. I see a huge difference between the two. Most people
can do the first, but not as many are as capable of the second.
From Destiny@yabbs Sun Feb 13 20:19:22 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Le@yabbs
Subject: re: other's shoes
Date: Sun Feb 13 20:19:22 1994
Unless someone has an incredible sense of intuition and perception of
relationdships and emotions, one cannot know another's feelings, and if
one does, I an not even sure it is possible then. I also don't feel that
you can truly know what you would do in a given situation unless you were
in fact, in that situation at that time....
-Dest'
From robtelee@yabbs Mon Feb 14 01:27:27 1994
From: robtelee@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: other's shoes
Date: Mon Feb 14 01:27:27 1994
In order to accomplish what you describe, two people would have to occupy
the EXACT same spot at the EXACT same time. As we all know, this is just
not possible. I think what is needed is empathy, or understanding of
another's situation. Understanding is the ability to interpret the
actions of another by knowing what information was mentally processed in
order to draw the conclusion that was arrived at. It is not, to coin a
phrase, "Monday morning quarterbacking" or second guessing.
This situation arises in the aftermath of a police-involved shooting. A
police officer makes a split-second decision on whether or not to shoot.
He is then second-guessed at the leisure of the courts and the public. I
am not saying ALL police involved shootings are justified. I am merely
saying that the facts should speak for themselves.
From Destiny@yabbs Mon Feb 14 09:05:44 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: well...
Date: Mon Feb 14 09:05:44 1994
I agree....
-Dest'
P.S. More to come later...
From Deaska@yabbs Mon Feb 14 09:33:34 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: yup
Date: Mon Feb 14 09:33:34 1994
I agree too... but to go further, I think thats the "stuck between a rock
and a hard place" situation...
While we may want to place someones thoughts, feelings, motivations etc
into perspective, we all individually import our own prejudices, emotions
and personal history into how we judge, or analyse the person, and their
actions.. so is it at all possible to KNOW someone... somehow, I think
not...
because we are all unique, we cant put ourselves into someones boots...
our thoughts are spoiled by the self corrupting factors that make us who
we are...as sole units in humanity.
(I actually saw a sci fi the other day that dealt with this is a weird
way... where ppl could wear these headsets.. and experience full sensory
input of an experience recorded previously by another person, or on
live... by sensory input, I mean : physical,emotional and intellectual
sensations... "BrainStorm" Directed by Douglas Trumbull, '83 )
hehehe, Le, not for the weak minded ;)
But wouldn't it be soooo phun?
Deask' (warning: that movie is sick, seriously... even I had to turn away
sometimes... hehehe)
From Xela@yabbs Mon Feb 14 11:14:41 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: about my message
Date: Mon Feb 14 11:14:41 1994
I think I was misunderstood. I didn't just sit back and watch people
behave, I watched myself interact with them. I was paying attention to
myself playing different roles: anger, hatred, ignorance, etc. with
different people, seeing what would happen. It was less to "be in their
shoes" but to watch myself act as sick as them, and see how they
responded.
Deaska said "because we are all unique, we cant put ourselves into
someones boots..."
Funny quote I heard: "We are all unique, just like everyone else." I am
beginning to think that people are a hell of alot more predictable than at
first glance, and that in general we aren't unique.
-Alex
From Deaska@yabbs Mon Feb 14 11:20:14 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: unique?
Date: Mon Feb 14 11:20:14 1994
so you're saying that a mere quote lends a truth...
uhuh...
If you think that people are a whole lot predictable...then I don't think
you've opened your eyes enough... thre is a whole palette of cultural,
spiritual and physical variations out there in this world... that the only
real place you'll find predictability is in Marketing... coca cola (tm)
etc...
watch out for Egocentrism...
From Destiny@yabbs Mon Feb 14 13:22:18 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: hmm...
Date: Mon Feb 14 13:22:18 1994
This is a really interesting topic which we have brought upon ourselves.
I'm really intrigued by everyone's responses...I must admit I was
thoroughly amused by the quote about being "unique". I do, however, fell
that each individual is, in fact, unique. We have all been exposed to
different environments which have shaped our values, opinions, and way of
thinking. Due to differences in perception among each of us individuals,
any given situation will -appear- to be the way we wish to see it.
Granted many of us have the same opinions and morals, either for similar
or different reasons, but the relaity of any situation is going to be
relative to the individuals involved. I would venture to say that almost
everything is relative...
-Dest'
P.S. That phrase 3 lines up should say :
"...but the reality..." Sorry 'bout that. I have horrible typing skills.
From honkfish@yabbs Mon Feb 14 16:37:14 1994
From: honkfish@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: 3 people
Date: Mon Feb 14 16:37:14 1994
Whenever you enter a room, there are three people who enter....
>How you see yourself
>How others see you
>How you really are
[D
Don't you think?
James.
From Xela@yabbs Mon Feb 14 16:49:57 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: easy
Date: Mon Feb 14 16:49:57 1994
I really have come to the conclusion that deep down inside there is very
little variation on the human plan, and what little there is gives
physical and neurochemical differences. But behavior-wise I think that we
are all predictable, very predictable, when it comes to first-circuit
emotions: hate, lust, greed, amore, blah blah. We are all programmable
little beasts, and it shows up in the patterns we program into ourselves:
cultural traits, obediance to powers that be, eating habits, bs., bs..
You said:
"the only
real place you'll find predictability is in Marketing... coca cola (tm)"
Well, we bought it, right? Marketing capitalizes on predictable behavior
patterns of a percentage of the consumer market, in other words, they know
what we the consumer like. And coca-cola inc. is a multi-national
company, just like pepsi, sony, merck pharmaceuticals, etc. Whole empires
are built around patterns of behavior.
From Le@yabbs Mon Feb 14 16:55:35 1994
From: Le@yabbs
To: destiny@yabbs
Subject: et al
Date: Mon Feb 14 16:55:35 1994
I don't expect anyone to believe this, but I will say it anyway
just to have people argue with me.
I have been inside someone's head before. I have physically and
emotionally felt another's pain. Don't ask me how I do this, I really
don't know. Nor do I know why it happens when and with whom it does.
All I can say is that it is incredible. And it is a scary thing to be
able to do. But I would never give it up, even though it has caused
me pain. Because it has also given me the most incredible happiness
I have ever known.
From Le@yabbs Mon Feb 14 17:01:49 1994
From: Le@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: et al
Date: Mon Feb 14 17:01:49 1994
Well, I tried this message once, and can't see it up there so
I will try it again...(don't know what happened here!)
0) I don't expect anyone to believe this, but I will say it anyway
1) just to have people argue with me.
2) I have been inside someone's head before. I have physically and
3) emotionally felt another's pain. Don't ask me how I do this, I really
4) don't know. Nor do I know why it happens when and with whom it does.
5) All I can say is that it is incredible. And it is a scary thing to be
6) able to do. But I would never give it up, even though it has caused
7) me pain. Because it has also given me the most incredible happiness
8) I have ever known.
Well, there it is! Hope it's not here twice, but I couldn't find it!
Le (loves her paste!)
From dan-bob@yabbs Mon Feb 14 17:12:28 1994
From: dan-bob@yabbs
To: honkfish@yabbs
Subject: re: 3 people
Date: Mon Feb 14 17:12:28 1994
when i enter a room, a lot more than three people enter, but
depending on the room, many of them leave.
make any sence?
dan-bob
-------------------
ps: comletely unconnected , anyone ever read any books by david gerold?
sorto a ththinking person's science fiction?
From Destiny@yabbs Mon Feb 14 20:15:16 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: honkfish@yabbs
Subject: hmm...
Date: Mon Feb 14 20:15:16 1994
wWho or what determines what you really are?
From Destiny@yabbs Mon Feb 14 20:16:20 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Le@yabbs
Subject: *smile*
Date: Mon Feb 14 20:16:20 1994
I don't doubt you at all Le....
-Dest'
From robtelee@yabbs Tue Feb 15 00:22:21 1994
From: robtelee@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: reply
Date: Tue Feb 15 00:22:21 1994
Our individual socialization processes determine who and what we are.
It all depends on what we are exposed to during our lives. I don't
believe that there is a way to EXACTLY duplicate experiences, even for two
People to be exposed to the same set of circumstances. Look at the
examples of natural disasters. Some people flourish, while others fall
apart. This is despite the fact that some who flourish have no experience
with disaster while those who do, cave in to sheer stress.
Heroism in war time is anpther example. There are numerous examples of
people surviving despite of, not because of, their backgrounds. You might
want to consider this also.
From JasonLee@yabbs Tue Feb 15 01:57:01 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: why/who/what we are
Date: Tue Feb 15 01:57:01 1994
OK, my philosophy on human behavior, which I hope makes some sense.
On the whole, no one feels real. We all just go through life searching
for things and feelings that make us feel more real, more solid.
Different people find different activites that remind them of their own
reality. Some people eat, some fuck, some write, some do whatever...
Again, I don't know if this is just my own unique feeling, but I always
doubt my own existence, and it would seem logical to me that the primary
motivation of my life is to find some proof that I am real. Does this
apply to you people too? Are you real? Are you sure?
JasonLee
From robtelee@yabbs Tue Feb 15 02:29:41 1994
From: robtelee@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: Reply to #27
Date: Tue Feb 15 02:29:41 1994
According to sociological theory, we are "blank slates" when we enter this
world. We begin to soak up experiences from the second of birth. It is
from that point that we are determined about who/why/what we are. Society
impacts on us in different ways. The people we interact with affect us
whether we want them to or not. These outside forces form and sharpen our
personalities and philosophies, and this process takes our entire lives.
Our home lives determine how we interact with others. We can learn
intolerance from our parents or we can totally reject the lifestyle that
they led. I direct your attention to the anti-establishment movement of
the late 60's and early 70's. This led to a change in attitudes among the
generation brought up by that group. This change led to the changes we
have seen up to this time.
Now we have seen a resurgence of the values held during the 1950's. This
is especially true among SOME, but not all, of the generation coming of
age now. They have rejected the lifestyles of the older generation and
adopted a more conservative lifestyle. Hence the sharply drawn political
divisions apparent today. You even show some evidence of the changes
wrought over the past twenty-five years. Do your parents have the same
opinions and attitudes that you do ? I would venture to say no.
As always, Your comments are welcome.
Robt. E. Lee
From Deaska@yabbs Tue Feb 15 05:35:11 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: differentiation
Date: Tue Feb 15 05:35:11 1994
Dead on target Rob...
Deask' :)
From JasonLee@yabbs Tue Feb 15 15:49:38 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: re: Reply to #27
Date: Tue Feb 15 15:49:38 1994
This is true, but hardly surprising. People have always rebelled a bit
against the previous generation for some reason or other. The reason we
see so much of this in the 20th century is because change has always been
brought about by technological advances, of which this century has seen
MANY. So, as the tech progressed faster and faster, older generations
couldn't adapt and preferred the old ways, and the new kids were brought
up in the world of improved tech. This continues into our age, when we
not only have normal technology but also behavior technology, physical
technology, political technology, etc.
So, as innovation proceeds, the older people will be left behind with
their values and the new kids will take over. Not a surprise. In this
rebellion of the new, the attitudes taken on by the rbebels are not new,
though, just some rehash of mentalities from previous years. The periods
of liberalism and conservatism will cycle in waves. That's how things
work.
Extra thoughts: It will be the next millenium before popular culture
reinnovates itself. We've had nothing new since the sixties. There will
never be a nostalgia movie made about the eighties (saying this after just
having watched American Graffiti and Dazed & Confused).
JasonLee
From robtelee@yabbs Wed Feb 16 00:58:24 1994
From: robtelee@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: Innovation
Date: Wed Feb 16 00:58:24 1994
In your last post, you mention innovation. Yes, I would agree that it
will be a while before society will change. Yet the means to change are
with us at the present time. I have noticed on other boards here that
change is a constant subject. You have discussed these changes with other
members of the cyber-community. I would venture to say that as you grow
older, some of the changes you advocate will not seem as radical as the
ones advocated by the next generation. The changes advocated by my
generation were considered radical for their times. Some, however, that
have been implemented are considered "mainstream" today. According to the
generation coming up now, they do not go far enough. Change requires time
and a consensus, not just a slap-dash approach to problems.
Innovation, is considered heresy by some. "Why change if our system
works?", "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." These are common quotes used
to resist the innovation you so ardently strive for. Our system is geared
toward change. If change is gradual, it is tried and utilized and
adopted. If too radical, no one will even give the changes a fair
hearing. This is the beauty of our system. The Constitution has survived
for over 200 years without any major changes since the original was
passed. This only emphasizes my point that change, for the most part,
must be gradual.
Consider first the amendment that gave the vote to eighteen year olds. It
was first proposed during the height of the war in VietNam. The reasoning
behind it was that if one was old enough to die for one's country, one
should have a say in who would make the decisions on who and what to die
for. It was eventually passed for just that purpose. But the change of
mind-set was a gradual process, that took a few years. Now, the vote by
eighteen year olds is considered mainstream, not the radical proposal that
it was in the late 1960's.
Another example of change was the amendment that ended slavery in the
United States. This issue had been in the forefront of American politics
for a good fifty years before it eventually led to a civil war. Even
afterward, the ideas embodied in the basic concepts were radical and
considered heresy by some of the leading politicians of the period. It
was not until the Brown v. Board of Education decision that ALL citizens
were granted equal access to ALL facilities. Again, this was a concept
that took time to evolve.
You may be correct in thinking that there may not be a reason to make
"American Graffiti" for the 1980's. Some, however, may disagree with you
and consider that period as one of our better times. One has to look at
the entire spectrum of events that took place during that period.
National pride was emphasized and strides were made to make the US a
better nation. There were other things that were not handled very well.
Iran-Contra, AIDS, and the problem of crime come to mind. But, I feel
that we are making progress. In order to change what we do not agree
with, we must be patient. Radicals who are too strident do not get what
is needed.
Your comments, as always, are welcome.
Robt E. Lee
From JasonLee@yabbs Wed Feb 16 01:16:40 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: re: Innovation
Date: Wed Feb 16 01:16:40 1994
In regard to American Graffiti, I probably shouldn't have put that bit in
the post. It didn't really have much to do with what I was saying
earlier. I was just thinking about how the 80's really had no culture of
their own other than the punk culture of the early eighties. Without a
common culture of the young, there couldn't be a nostalgia movie. What is
there to be nostalgic about that could be done in a movie way such that a
generation would identify with it? If there's a nostalgia movie for the
80's, it's Heathers, which is not really nostalgia.
I'll reply to the first part of your post tomorrow, when I have more time.
JasonLee
From Cat@yabbs Sat Feb 19 10:22:21 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Just a thought
Date: Sat Feb 19 10:22:21 1994
Hmmm Mind Games, Sometimes I think this bbs is a mind game! :) I spend so
much time on here...I feel like I've really gotten to know some people.
At the same time, I have to ask myself...do I know these people at all, or
are they shadows? It's strange...I talk to you every day, and know many
things about you, and at the same time I have to wonder how much I really
DO know and if the things I know are true. The great thing about a bbs is
that you can me anyone you want on it. In real life, Cat is a mouse...but
I'm not all that shy here...Hmmm. I always like to wonder about what
people here are like in real life. Perhaps we're all not so very different
after all...Aw heck, now I'm confusing my self. But does anybody else ever
think about things like this, or am I just a kook? :) See you all on
yabbs!
Cat, she who spends FAR to much time working in a comp lab.
From Destiny@yabbs Sat Feb 19 16:11:28 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: ditto
Date: Sat Feb 19 16:11:28 1994
I can definitely say the same thought has crossed my mind...do we really
know the people here, or do we know a different person of the same human
being. I huess it is hard for me to say, because I can only base my
opinion on my own experiences...and the only true experience or fact I
have, is the experience of being myself both on and off the net. I can
honestly say the person you see here is no different from the person you
see in person, however, you may get to know a little more of me here a
little faster thasn you would if you had to deal with all of the outside
influences involved in a face to face encounter.
I imagine if people are genuine in their identity on the net, you
truly do get to know the person. However, if they assume another identity
then you get to know the true person as easily, if at all. Well, I have
bebbled enough for now. Catch you all later. :)
-Dest'
From Destiny@yabbs Sat Feb 19 16:14:57 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: oppsie
Date: Sat Feb 19 16:14:57 1994
A correction to my last message...the correct sentence in the second to
last line should read: "However, if they assume another identity, then you
don't get to know the true person as easily, if at all." Sorry about that
:)
-Dest'
From Cat@yabbs Sat Feb 19 17:11:30 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: re: ditto
Date: Sat Feb 19 17:11:30 1994
I agree with you Dest. The person I am here is the same person I am
in "real life" except for that Tammie isn't as outgoing as Cat is since
Tammie is a bit shy. The thing I like about yabbs is that you don't have
to worry about things like appearences and how people are viewing you and
judging you here. Our "virtual community" here at yabbs is very different
from my community at UVM. It's better in some ways, since you all are so
much more interesting to talk to than some of the people here at GroovyUV,
but it's worse in other ways, since I'm always wishing you all were here
in VT so we could hang out and chat for real. The thing that I wonder
about though is, if we all were in one room together, and had the "yabbs
convention" you always kid around about, would we be able to talk to one
another? Hmmmm. Well, I've confused myself again! :) See you later!
Cat
From Destiny@yabbs Sat Feb 19 19:32:06 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: *smile*
Date: Sat Feb 19 19:32:06 1994
Well, I sure hope we would all be able to talk to each other at a "Yabbs
convention". *grin* Actually, I am 99.99% sure we would have a great
time talking to one another. I would be thriled to meet all of my frineds
here on yabbs and would probably not stop talking. After all, once we got
toegther we would be like any other friends. We could share our present
experiences, our future experiences, and look back and laugh at all the
memories we have made together. It would be just like a reunion, except
none of us have ever met before. However, this is not for everyone. I
have talked to a few people who prefer to keep the "mystery" of anonimity
and have no desire to meet the person behind the handle. So, for them it
would not be quite so easy because they aren't open to the idea of a face
to face encounter. As for anyone else who is willing and open to the
idea, why not?
-Dest'
From Cat@yabbs Sat Feb 19 20:13:44 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: re: *smile*
Date: Sat Feb 19 20:13:44 1994
Right Dest! Why not? :)
That's the spirit!
From honkfish@yabbs Sat Feb 19 21:16:45 1994
From: honkfish@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: *hoho*
Date: Sat Feb 19 21:16:45 1994
Yeah!
I'd love to meet some of you people but *expense* is the major factor for
me..
I'm sure it could be done, though (working in US summer camps could be a
good excuse for going over there......)
Sees Yah!
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Feb 20 01:05:26 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: honkfish@yabbs
Subject: *hehe*
Date: Sun Feb 20 01:05:26 1994
I guess I'm in your boots too...
That's right all you yankies, go on.. see if us foreigners care if ya have
all the fun... *huge smile*
oh god, wouldn't it be great...to finally meet all those familiar handles.
Dest, we gotta plan something about, hmm ..hehe ya know when.. *bump*
Deask'
From robtelee@yabbs Sun Feb 20 05:17:36 1994
From: robtelee@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: *hehehe*
Date: Sun Feb 20 05:17:36 1994
Why not shoot for Sydney 2000 ? That way it will give us some time to
really plan for it ?
We would have to sort out all the handles when we got there...Hey, why not
just have name tags with iur handles on them and then introduce ourselves
with our real names ? Let me know what you think...:)
As always,
robtelee
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Sun Feb 20 09:16:40 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: cat@yabbs
Subject: re: *smile*
Date: Sun Feb 20 09:16:40 1994
Am willing to participate in face to face meetings. I think it'd be
a blast! Am open to suggestions on how to accomplish this.
NJD
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Sun Feb 20 09:17:53 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: re: *hehehe*
Date: Sun Feb 20 09:17:53 1994
sounds good!!!
NJD
From Destiny@yabbs Sun Feb 20 13:44:37 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: *smile*
Date: Sun Feb 20 13:44:37 1994
If we all genuinely wanted to meet together, we could arrange it at some
point in time....this wouldn't be for a long time, but I'd be willing to
wait. As for private meetings, some of us are only a car ride away... I'd
definitely suggest meeting people...I have gained so much from meeting
fellow yabbers in person...and hope to meet more in the future... Talk ot
you all son. *smile*
--^-- that is "soon" oh hell, you guys already know I can't type
*grin*
-Dest'
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Feb 20 21:06:07 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: sydney 2000
Date: Sun Feb 20 21:06:07 1994
oh yeah!.. we gotta have a few of you guys down here during the
olympics... its in six years time, so hmmm heaps of planning time on yer
hands..
it would be wonderful... lets see what others have in mind though :)
Deask'
From dan-bob@yabbs Mon Feb 21 15:27:07 1994
From: dan-bob@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: sydney 2000
Date: Mon Feb 21 15:27:07 1994
don't you think it would be more fun to have everyone meet *without*
nametags, so that after a few hours you would have to guess who ppl.
were on yabbs?
Also from experiance on irc, some ppl. are v. different on bbs
than in real life, but alot of ppl. don't notice this them selves
I feel that ppl. should create new idents on irc etc.
I see irc as the start of a real cyberspace where ppl. create idents and
interact with other identities. My self i am so much more open o
bbs/irc, which gives me a chance to 'show off' my poetry and really
be myself
i hope this makes sence as i feel rather fuzzy at the mo....
dan-bob
From Deaska@yabbs Mon Feb 21 18:27:17 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: dan-bob@yabbs
Subject: re: sydney 2000
Date: Mon Feb 21 18:27:17 1994
hmmm... nah, I think tags would help ease the shy nervousness amongst the
group... you tend to open up if you notice something familiar...
Cyberspace???? eeeeeeeeeeeewwhere'd ya get that one from?
:)
Deask' - committe anti Gibsonist
(too bad I have to study him next semester *frown* )
hehehehe/s
From Steyr@yabbs Mon Feb 21 19:42:53 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Faces behind the words.
Date: Mon Feb 21 19:42:53 1994
I have met several ppl that I previously only knew over the net (primarily
IRC). Even though you may have spoken to them fairly extensively before
you actually met them, I found that had very little effect on what I
thought of them later. Some people I thought were really kewl turned out
to be complete dickheads when I met them and then it becomes hard not to
let your first impressions get in the way of your net friendship .....
possible, but hard.
On the other hand, I do think the net is a good introductory service and
meeting a friend IRL can substantially benefit that friendship. Meeting a
net-friend is a bit of a gamble but a gamble I take quite happily. It
helps you to realize what that person is actually like and gives you a
more realistic outlook.
Looking back on the above two paragraphs, I just realized what a load of
crap I have written. Really it amounts to nothing. But atleast I got all
you suckers to read it *grin*. Talk about mind games .. hehehe. Ooops,
hangon ... maybe someone is playing games with MY mind getting me to write
this ?!?!? Hmmm. I might have to go and think for a while on that one.
-=: Steyr :=-
From Destiny@yabbs Mon Feb 21 19:59:56 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: hmm...
Date: Mon Feb 21 19:59:56 1994
I guess you and I base uor different opinionson our own separate
experiences. It has been my experience that the people I meet off IRC are
very much the same as they had been in IRC. This is attributed to the
fact that these particular people were genuine in their thoughts and
actions to begin with. There were no false fronts while on IRC so there
was no need to break through a false front in person and discoverr the
person was not at all like they had once appeared. I guess if you choose
your companions wisely on the net, they may continue to be great friends
off the net. Again, this is only from my experience. I am sure
everyone's experiences have been and will be different, but I just thougth
I would share what I knew with the rest of you. Thanks for taking the
time to read :)
-Dest'
From Steyr@yabbs Mon Feb 21 20:14:09 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: Faces behind the words.
Date: Mon Feb 21 20:14:09 1994
I can't deny that meeting a net-friend can certainly result in a good
friendship IRL, and perhaps even has a better chance to do so than normal.
However the point I am trying to make is that you can't assume that if
you like someone on the net you will like them IRL. Over the net I don't
consiously hide anything about myself, although I do feel that I present a
slightly different front. I get a buzz out of meeting ppl IRL who I
already know over the net but I approach it with a little caution and
perhaps, common-sense (I think), just in case who I meet is not the same
as I thought.
I think most ppl will agree that it is interesting, if not good, to meet
the faces behind the words, but the difference lies in what degree they
agree with it. We could go on like this till we are blue in the face
(fingers ??) and still get no further. It really is up to the individual
- how secure they feel around others and their past experiences. So how
about some INTERESTING topics on Mind Games ... like how to subconsciously
persuade ppl to bend to your slightest desire !
-=: Steyr :=-
From JasonLee@yabbs Tue Feb 22 01:56:58 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: Faces behind the words.
Date: Tue Feb 22 01:56:58 1994
Yeah, I've met a couple people through the net, and almost met a couple
more. It's generally been pretty good, but some of the people are not
really too nice. It is kinda fun to find out that the person at the other
terminal really is a person.
I'd be willing to meet people, but I know not when...
JasonLee
From robtelee@yabbs Tue Feb 22 03:15:45 1994
From: robtelee@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Discussion
Date: Tue Feb 22 03:15:45 1994
With all due respect, could we move the discussion of getting together to
the Free Association board ? It is my understanding that this particular
board is for a discussion of ourselves relative to our outlook on life and
society.
Thank you for your patience.
robtelee
From Steyr@yabbs Tue Feb 22 03:27:14 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: re: Discussion
Date: Tue Feb 22 03:27:14 1994
I couldn't agree more with you robtelee.
-=: Steyr :=-
From robtelee@yabbs Tue Feb 22 07:20:20 1994
From: robtelee@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: nostalgia
Date: Tue Feb 22 07:20:20 1994
I would like to initiate another type of discussion. Does anyone here
remember the 1960's ? I do and I have found that I miss those days of
innocence. I would like to know everyone's thoughts along those lines.
It seems that we, especially in the US, have gotten away from the ideals
of those days. Vietnam had a profound effect on all of us. I do realize
that we can never recapture those innocent times. I would just like to
discuss everyone's feelings on those times. Please feel free to post them
here so we could discuss all facets.
robtelee
From Steyr@yabbs Tue Feb 22 07:45:44 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: re: nostalgia
Date: Tue Feb 22 07:45:44 1994
I wasn't born until the 70's but how are you tying 60's nostalgia into the
topic 'Mind Games' ??
-=: Steyr :=-
From Deaska@yabbs Tue Feb 22 08:18:05 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: re: nostalgia
Date: Tue Feb 22 08:18:05 1994
I'm still trying to figure out where I was back in the '60's
(wasn't my time...hehe)
Deask'
From htoaster@yabbs Tue Feb 22 09:35:57 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: re: Discussion
Date: Tue Feb 22 09:35:57 1994
In message Discussion, robtelee said:
> With all due respect, could we move the discussion of getting together to
> the Free Association board ? It is my understanding that this particular
> board is for a discussion of ourselves relative to our outlook on life and
> society.
well, it really doesn't belong on the free association board either. Social
misfits would probably be the most fitting, but you might as well just leave
it here.
alex
From cosmos@yabbs Tue Feb 22 10:37:32 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: LAMERS!
Date: Tue Feb 22 10:37:32 1994
This BBS is soon to be swamped with losers, lamers, and other social
misfits....thanks in part to the gopher search. God, nothing like joining
channel yabbs and finding yourself in the midddle of compusex.
Is it me or are these newbies patheic??
Cosmos
From htoaster@yabbs Tue Feb 22 12:29:47 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: LAMERS!
Date: Tue Feb 22 12:29:47 1994
In message LAMERS!, cosmos said:
> This BBS is soon to be swamped with losers, lamers, and other social
> misfits....thanks in part to the gopher search. God, nothing like joining
> channel yabbs and finding yourself in the midddle of compusex.
well, the gopher thing has been there for a long time (4 or 5 months)...
the system is just getting more popular, which always brings lots of
new users. of course some will be trouble, but on the other hand
others will be cool, so...
alex
From LazerAce@yabbs Tue Feb 22 15:47:32 1994
From: LazerAce@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: LAMERS!
Date: Tue Feb 22 15:47:32 1994
Dude, I think your attitude sucks! If people want to join a BBS, then all
they want is some information, and some people to talk to other than their
close friend, a different outlook from people in different areas. I like
to see new people on BBS's. If you don't like what you see, then just hit
the spacebar, nobody's forcing you to read everything! I mean, you have
the entire internet at your finger tips, if you log on and you don't like
what you see, then go somewhere else, and come back later. I'm not trying
to be an ass, I'm just trying to be free-minded here!
From JasonLee@yabbs Tue Feb 22 16:02:09 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: LazerAce@yabbs
Subject: re: LAMERS!
Date: Tue Feb 22 16:02:09 1994
It's not that, it's the talk section which suffers the most. You get lots
of kids/people with slightly less than a clue coming online and just
spouting stupid lines about fucking. I agree it gets annoying, but we
just have to deal with it. Elitism is not the solution.
To somehow tie this into mind games, has anyone else noticed how the
corrruption of the sometimes good ideas of one person is triggered by the
useless, pointless words of others?
JasonLee
From JasonLee@yabbs Tue Feb 22 16:07:01 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: re: nostalgia
Date: Tue Feb 22 16:07:01 1994
I sometimes wish the current crop of boomers would try to recall some of
that innocence in trying to run the world. Seems like most of them have
forgotten it. Actually, that's what I like about Clinton. He appears not
to have forgotten or ignored the innocence of those years.
Sometimes I also wonder whether that decade was as great as people say. A
lot of idealizing goes on as people grow older. Was it so wonderful?
JasonLee
From LazerAce@yabbs Wed Feb 23 01:05:48 1994
From: LazerAce@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: re: LAMERS!
Date: Wed Feb 23 01:05:48 1994
I agree with you, I really do. But the thing is they are newbies, they
need to be taught. I mean there is a lot on the internet that I'm sure I
don't know about that I'd like to see, and I'll be new to it. I know this
message sucks! But I'm tired! Anyhow, they need to know that if theyt
want to talk about a lot of stuff that is not in the public interest, then
they should take it into there own conference, right? They should not be
denied the privilige of such a great resource. They should be given some
leeway at first, when they do something wrong, tell'em. And hopefully
they will not do it again.
From robtelee@yabbs Wed Feb 23 02:03:39 1994
From: robtelee@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: nostalgia
Date: Wed Feb 23 02:03:39 1994
I think the current crop of "boomers" have become cynical with age. So
much has gone on since the end of the sixties that the innocence cannot be
re-claimed. A certain idealism pervaded those of us who came up during
that period. Now, all of a sudden, the idealism has gone and reality set
in. The boomers realize that there is nothing that they can do to change
basic human nature. We have become Hobbes' worst nightmare.
Any differing opinions, especially on the perception of the sixties ?
robtelee
From Steyr@yabbs Wed Feb 23 06:21:15 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Newbies.
Date: Wed Feb 23 06:21:15 1994
Each person, new or not, should be measured on their merits and judged
accordingly. Just coz someone is new doesn't mean they are going to be a
dickhead. We were all new once ... some still are (I am to this bbs).
Those who do make fools of themselves should be dealt with but hey, this
is Mind Games .... we should all be able to play with the fools mind and
make him leave just by subversive pressure.
Deal with those who require it and don't brand people under the one name
unless you've personally spoken to that person.
-=: Steyr :=-
From daz@yabbs Wed Feb 23 08:20:37 1994
From: daz@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Newbies
Date: Wed Feb 23 08:20:37 1994
I've got to agree that some Newbies go OTT on precious resources like
Yabbs... they spoil a perfectly pleasent atmosphere, and pollute it with
sometimes quite abusive comments. But surely it's only the minority
spoiling it for the majority again. And when do we define that boundary of
graduatating from newbie to xpert? Just ignore them and they'll go
away...open up a private channel and invite everyone who is half-decent
into it, and thus isolate the problem. In fact, I don't personally think
that most of the newbies are any problem whatsoever... it's some of the
xperts which BOMB Yabbs to death, and should know better. I recall a
particular incident yesterday which really irratated a lot of us...
Daz :-)
From Cat@yabbs Wed Feb 23 08:27:27 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Newbies.
Date: Wed Feb 23 08:27:27 1994
Heck, I think any old person that wants to ought to come and chat on yabbs
or any other bbs. If you don't feel like chatting with them on yabbs, then
for pete's sake make another channel, don't start a war! This us vrs. them
let's all complain about the new people is really discouraging. Keeping
with the spirit of the channel, which seems to be lost, but then again,
isn't everything SOME SORT of mind game? Heck again, I forgot what I was
going to say. Oh well! :) And I HAVE met some real nice "newbies" (what an
awful word, I hate labels) this week. :)
Next post will be related to the topic I promise, I just had to throw
this one in here...:)
Cat
From !@#asd@yabbs Wed Feb 23 08:53:32 1994
From: !@#asd@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Newbies.
Date: Wed Feb 23 08:53:32 1994
i disagree totally! throw them out! >:)
i have been here since October of 93 and we had a lot of fun, the group
that was here really got to know each other and it was like a family!
eeeek, did i say that? Well what i am trying to say is that some of the
newbies that come on get this attitude and really get annoying. I can not
stand for some one to come on and start being a chucklehead!
if they are cool it is different! but most of the newbies are not!
anyway i wish something could be done, i hate having to go to another
channel and hide, it is not right!
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Feb 23 09:11:42 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: LazerAce@yabbs
Subject: re: LAMERS!
Date: Wed Feb 23 09:11:42 1994
No, youre an ass, but that's typical. Listen you pathetic pud, we have
been here a hell of a lot longer than you and have watched this board
transform from a great little board into a bigger one full of lame morons
who type compusex all day long and curse at each other. Get a clue.
Cosmos
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Feb 23 09:14:58 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: !@#asd@yabbs
Subject: re: Newbies.
Date: Wed Feb 23 09:14:58 1994
*grin* Good show Kidd, I guess the old guard is getting as pissed as I am
eh? ;) Last night topped the cake, sheesh.
Cosmos
From Deaska@yabbs Wed Feb 23 09:26:40 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Newbies.
Date: Wed Feb 23 09:26:40 1994
I gotta agree with Kidd, even though I've only been on here a month later,
Yabbs has become a little less (little???) what it was waaaaaaay back in
'93... sure, I've met heaps of great ppl here, and that's my main
attraction to this place.
It just seems that the trend is that most of the trash ouor screens comes
from uninitiated ppl, who are either new to this bbs, or new to the net,
and have no idea of netiquette. You just get sick of the crap after a
while...
Argh!.. why can't everyone be civilized? or is this the way its s'posed to
be?
Deask's 2 cents
From htoaster@yabbs Wed Feb 23 09:32:47 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: LAMERS!
Date: Wed Feb 23 09:32:47 1994
In message re: LAMERS!, cosmos said:
> No, youre an ass, but that's typical. Listen you pathetic pud, we have
> been here a hell of a lot longer than you and have watched this board
> transform from a great little board into a bigger one full of lame morons
> who type compusex all day long and curse at each other. Get a clue.
I think this attitude might be preciously what is helping to screw the
board as well. Why is anyone new going to want to stick around and see
what is here if there are members of the board who seem to have been
around for a long time telling them to fuck off. I know that if I were
to join a new board and there were people acting this way I would be a
little weary of what was there.
While some of the newbies are being a pain in the ass that doesn't mean
that everyone should be a pain in the ass. Really, I say ignore the pains
and they will go away. It is still a very small segment of the total
number of people using the system these days (just for statistics sake,
there are about 150 accounts made per day for the past week, and 2546
total accounts made since Jan 1, 1994).
alex
From Cat@yabbs Wed Feb 23 09:56:05 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Wed Feb 23 09:56:05 1994
I know I promised on to enter any non topice related messages in here
Dest, but oh well. :) I agree that some of the "newbies" (I still hate
that label) can be annoying, and being female, I've put up with a lot more
stuff than I had planned too. But ht did put in ignores and channel
options. You can always find ways to avoin un wanted people. Flooding and
bombing doesn't do a thing to deter the jerks that plan on ruining our fun
anay way, it just makes them even more angry. All it does is scare away
the nice people, and give a hard time to those of us (like me) who's
servers can't take it. :) Jerks will be jerks, and you'd accomplish much
more by ignoring them or leaving them on channels together that pissing
them off and giving them more fuel for their fires.
From dmonger@yabbs Wed Feb 23 10:00:35 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: LAMERS!
Date: Wed Feb 23 10:00:35 1994
I have to agree with ht on this one. Cosmos, I've been here longer than
you, though I only started using the system regularly very recently. I
don't remember this system belonging to anyone but htoaster.
If you don't like the direction things are going, work to change them
constructively (and no, your method of changing things is not constructive).
I've thrashed a person or two since I've been here, but I definately haven't
enjoyed it as much as you have.
Yabbs wouldn't be yabbs if it wasn't a free system. I can think of quite
a few nice people I've met who wouldn't be able to get on at all if there
were some cool eleeet test or an admissions committee cause they started
out not knowing how to run this thing. Maybe everyone didn't start out
as a newbie (some of us have had a little more netiquette training than
others), but if you sit around and say "this is my system, get off" i'm not
sure how you are any better than the people who come in and start off by trying
to offend anyone. Any idea cosmos?
Just a thought
-peter
who really hates the word netiquette, but likes it more than UFOlogist which
he learned on encounters, the UFO conspiracy last night :)
From dmonger@yabbs Wed Feb 23 10:04:10 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: LAMERS!
Date: Wed Feb 23 10:04:10 1994
sorry, to replace that first senetence:
Cosmos, I've been here longer than you (I was around when the system was being
written), though I only started using the system regularly very recently.
so what? Its not mine, its not yours. (sentece about htoaster accidentailly
deleted :) )
From Cat@yabbs Wed Feb 23 11:55:46 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: no title
Date: Wed Feb 23 11:55:46 1994
:)
From Cat@yabbs Wed Feb 23 11:56:34 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: no title
Date: Wed Feb 23 11:56:34 1994
Ok. Let's get back to what this channel was supposed to be for. :) Anyone
know any mind games we could play?
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Wed Feb 23 17:00:04 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: no title
Date: Wed Feb 23 17:00:04 1994
:=8)
From JasonLee@yabbs Wed Feb 23 17:58:34 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: LAMERS!
Date: Wed Feb 23 17:58:34 1994
I agree. We should just deal with the annoyance. Eventually, the newbies
will graduate to IRC, where the compusex goes on 24-7. Just be patient
and wait and try to be accepting of the new people. I do think it's okay
to giv newbies a hard time, but don't do it through bombing, direct
insults, etc. If some new guy starts talking about his dick, make fun of
his humor and his intelligence without being abrasive. He'll (hopefully)
get the point that that sort of stuff is boring and annoying. Hope I've
made some sense.
JasonLee
From dmonger@yabbs Wed Feb 23 18:54:52 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: re: LAMERS!
Date: Wed Feb 23 18:54:52 1994
I'd say you have the right idea.
From Cat@yabbs Wed Feb 23 19:22:48 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: LAMERS!
Date: Wed Feb 23 19:22:48 1994
Yup. He does. At least we're not all on the war path. :)
n
From Destiny@yabbs Wed Feb 23 19:26:33 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: *smile*
Date: Wed Feb 23 19:26:33 1994
agreed...let them figure it out :)
From Cat@yabbs Wed Feb 23 19:34:00 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: re: *smile*
Date: Wed Feb 23 19:34:00 1994
Hey Dest! Played any mind games lately? ;)
From LazerAce@yabbs Wed Feb 23 19:46:56 1994
From: LazerAce@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: LAMERS!
Date: Wed Feb 23 19:46:56 1994
Sounds real mature, see, your setting a real good example aren't you. i
could care less HOW much longer you've been here than what I have. I've
been BBSing for the longest time. I've made sooo many friends on BBS's
it's amazing. And I came here cause it's someplace new, and to get some
more ideas from other people and places. You really make people feel
welcome, well, you can have your little clique if you want it! Cause
that's probably all you'll ever have!
From cosmos@yabbs Wed Feb 23 20:35:36 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: LazerAce@yabbs
Subject: re: LAMERS!
Date: Wed Feb 23 20:35:36 1994
Heheheh.....BBS demigod eh?? Listen up guy, I have been on here for quite
some time and have seen countless newbies. They were all fine until
now...just very recently they turned into a plague upon yabbs. Hell, I
thought I had accidently put myself on #sex on IRC. I am not one to set
back and watch, just my personality. I fight fire with fire. But
anyways, you go ahead and BBS away.
Cosmos
From Steyr@yabbs Wed Feb 23 21:06:20 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: LAMERS!
Date: Wed Feb 23 21:06:20 1994
Can you and LazerAce take your little argument elsewhere. Try e-mail or
somethin.
From dmonger@yabbs Wed Feb 23 21:54:35 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: LAMERS!
Date: Wed Feb 23 21:54:35 1994
In message re: LAMERS!, cosmos said:
> now...just very recently they turned into a plague upon yabbs. Hell, I
hmmm, I guess every one has a different definition of plague. to me, there
are many more problems with the current system, like people who can't
tolerate anyone but themselves.
-dmonger
From Cat@yabbs Wed Feb 23 22:39:14 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: LazerAce@yabbs
Subject: re: LAMERS!
Date: Wed Feb 23 22:39:14 1994
Hey LazerAce. I have met lots of friends on bbs's too. I've been on this
one for a while and always like to talk to new people. :) Don't worry
about the non tolerant people. Most of us aren't cliquey and like to chat
to everyone. :) If you're ever on when I am, say hi, I like to talk! :)
From Cat@yabbs Wed Feb 23 22:42:20 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: LAMERS!
Date: Wed Feb 23 22:42:20 1994
:)
Yup. Too bad isn't it! Oh well!
From Cat@yabbs Wed Feb 23 22:44:08 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: no title
Date: Wed Feb 23 22:44:08 1994
Ummm, This is the Mind Games Message board, not the let's complain about
the newbies board guys. If you want a board like that, you can try to ask
ht for one, but I have the feeling he won't go for the idea. :)
From rick@yabbs Thu Feb 24 03:32:00 1994
From: rick@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: question?
Date: Thu Feb 24 03:32:00 1994
I would like to pose a question to the masses... If a white south african
moves to the u.s. and becomes a citizen of the U.S. does that make him a
African American. Think about it...does this mean a total change in the
tittle that the black americans have placed on them selves. and why must
balck americans have a different labels for them selves. Is the tittle of
American not sufficient for all..
NEW TO THIS BOARD
ALWAYS QUESTION THE HIGHER UP'S
RICK
From daz@yabbs Thu Feb 24 07:22:45 1994
From: daz@yabbs
To: rick@yabbs
Subject: re: question?
Date: Thu Feb 24 07:22:45 1994
Hi Rick! Hmmm, interesting question (and at last somebody's broken the
bloated bigotry on this board!)... Supposedly one would like to keep links
with ones heritage, thus titling themselves *origin prefix* American. I
don't think it's a case of the title "American" alone not being
sufficient... Lets face it, evreyone has a certain pride in their
origins... whether it be the state they were born in, tor the country they
originated from!
Daz :-)
From Cat@yabbs Thu Feb 24 09:26:41 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: daz@yabbs
Subject: re: question?
Date: Thu Feb 24 09:26:41 1994
Nice to have a real question, isn't it? :)
From htoaster@yabbs Thu Feb 24 09:39:22 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: rick@yabbs
Subject: re: question?
Date: Thu Feb 24 09:39:22 1994
In message question?, rick said:
> I would like to pose a question to the masses... If a white south african
> moves to the u.s. and becomes a citizen of the U.S. does that make him a
> African American. Think about it...does this mean a total change in the
> tittle that the black americans have placed on them selves. and why must
> balck americans have a different labels for them selves. Is the tittle of
> American not sufficient for all..
no, not really (my father has done the above, he was born in s. africa, and
became a US citizen in the '70s). If you look at the white culture there it
is really about the farthest thing from African, and really much more English
(at least this is what I have seen in my multiple trips to Zimbabwe). You
could argue that the culture is somewhat of a mixture of the two, but it
still isn't the much different culture of the native Africans that were
there originally.
The problem with the title of American is that it doesn't take into account
the previous history of ones culture. American culture is still largely
based on the white anglo-saxan culture of western europe, even though a
large percentage of our citizens come from other lands. African American
is a just a term that tries to accept this, and show that yes, while they
are Americans, they also realize that they orginally came from a much
different culture and would still like to understand that.
alex
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Feb 24 10:02:51 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: question?
Date: Thu Feb 24 10:02:51 1994
Interesting.
I am American. I could care less what I am though. I dont think any
given country is better than any other one. I am not "proud" of my
heritage nor am I "hateful" of it. I just dont care. I am an individual,
and that is all the culture I need.
"Whoso is a man must also be a nonconformist." -Emerson
(Not exact, but you get the point)
Cosmos
From Cat@yabbs Thu Feb 24 10:07:45 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: question?
Date: Thu Feb 24 10:07:45 1994
Yup. Me too. Love that Emerson. :)
From Destiny@yabbs Thu Feb 24 13:18:16 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: *grin*
Date: Thu Feb 24 13:18:16 1994
Always Cat....always :)
From Cat@yabbs Thu Feb 24 13:26:47 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: re: *grin*
Date: Thu Feb 24 13:26:47 1994
Dest, we have GOT to get together some time. We could stay up all night
and tell stories. :)
From LazerAce@yabbs Thu Feb 24 15:16:18 1994
From: LazerAce@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: re: LAMERS!
Date: Thu Feb 24 15:16:18 1994
I'm not trying to be some demigod or whatever...All I'm saying is that the
"newbies" need to be taught the etiquette...I don't like the conversation
your talking about either...It's stupid. And when somebody talks stupid
they need to be educated. I like it here and I think you have some good
ideas and all. I just think that you need to think about some solutions
to the problem your facing, that's all. Put up a Garbage Dump board and
don't subscribe to it, just let the people take their shit there and do
there stuff or something. If they start doing something you don't like on
a sub you subscribe to, don't tell them to stop, instead, tell them to
take it to the Garbage Dump! THEN if they don't, get more drastic.
From LazerAce@yabbs Thu Feb 24 15:17:49 1994
From: LazerAce@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: LAMERS!
Date: Thu Feb 24 15:17:49 1994
Thanks, I'll do that.
From Destiny@yabbs Thu Feb 24 18:27:44 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: *grin*
Date: Thu Feb 24 18:27:44 1994
You bet...hey, we're both in New England :) Can't be that long of a drive
:) This should really be in e-mail...sorry all :)
-Dest'
From Steyr@yabbs Thu Feb 24 19:03:05 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Be proud of your heritage.
Date: Thu Feb 24 19:03:05 1994
To people like cosmos and Cat. I don't understand how you can have no
feelings for your heritage and your home country. I'm proud to be
Australian and that patriotism forms a large part of my life, influencing
things as major as my career.
Not everyone can be proud of their heritage, ideed some hate it and no
doubt have good reasons for that hatred., but to me, being so apathetic as
to *not care* about your country is the beginning of the end of society as
we know it .... although possibly the beginning of a singular, worldwide
society.
I wonder ... if you have no feelings for your country, do you have any
feelings for your family ? Yourself ? Life in general ? I mean,
afterall, a country is (in a way) just a larger version of a family (just
without the blood ties).
-=: Steyr :=-
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Feb 24 20:01:45 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: Be proud of your heritage.
Date: Thu Feb 24 20:01:45 1994
Why the fuck should I have a goddamn tie to my country like a family?? It
certainly does not deserve it. A country is a plot of land defined by
borders. I am an individual and I prize that above all else. The rest is
trivial, I do what I do for myself nothing else. My country is to me a
plot of land that I hapen to reside in.
Cosmos
From Cat@yabbs Thu Feb 24 20:16:37 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: Be proud of your heritage.
Date: Thu Feb 24 20:16:37 1994
I am proud of my heritage. I like my country and my
french/irish/english/Native American/scottish background.
I just like Cosmos's quote on Emerson. :) I'm an English major for pity's
sake. I love Emerson.
:)
From Cat@yabbs Thu Feb 24 20:18:00 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: Be proud of your heritage.
Date: Thu Feb 24 20:18:00 1994
And I disagree with you on that line "to people like Cosmos and Cat" I am
nothing like Cosmos. Ask anybody. Ask Cosmos! :)
From Steyr@yabbs Thu Feb 24 20:29:26 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Be proud of your heritage.
Date: Thu Feb 24 20:29:26 1994
To Cat : Oh. I do apologise. I misunderstood what you meant.
To Cosmos : A family is merely a miniature society, defined by ties of
blood and marriage (although there are more ties to it nowdays). A
country is both the physical land and the society which exists on that
land. I just think that if nobody gives a shit about their country then
that is the start of the destrucion of society as we know it. I also feel
that apathetic attitudes such as the one you seem to display can also be
linked directly to crime rates (although don't get me wrong, I'm not
calling you a criminal).
I think it's time people did start to care again .. not only for
themselves but for their local town/city, their state, and their country.
As always comments/arguments are welcome.
-=: Steyr :=-
From cosmos@yabbs Thu Feb 24 20:39:50 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: Be proud of your heritage.
Date: Thu Feb 24 20:39:50 1994
get a clue chap. Your call to country loyalty is crap. Look at what
started the world wars...COuntry fervor....world war I was an entanglement
between countries due to each one being a proud righteous nation and owing
allegiance to one another. World War II used frenzied loyalty to commit
attrocity
Crime rate???? PFFFFFT.....
I stand devoted to myself.
Cosmos
From Cat@yabbs Thu Feb 24 20:48:34 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: the fun never ends. :)
Date: Thu Feb 24 20:48:34 1994
Yup. It sure doesn't. :)
From Cat@yabbs Thu Feb 24 20:50:49 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: re: *grin*
Date: Thu Feb 24 20:50:49 1994
:) Everything is SOME kinda mind game though, isn't it? :)
*grin*
From LazerAce@yabbs Thu Feb 24 21:08:58 1994
From: LazerAce@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Heritage
Date: Thu Feb 24 21:08:58 1994
I'll be the first to say that I could care less about my hereitage, hell,
I don't even know what I am. If somebody does ask me, I just say that I'm
an American. Well, then they ask "No, I didn't mean THAT, I meant your
heritage." I admire some people that get into there heritage, but then
they limit themselves to that. I like to many other things to limit
myself. I guess I'm a Universal type of dude! ;) Later on.
From JasonLee@yabbs Thu Feb 24 22:37:32 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: Be proud of your heritage.
Date: Thu Feb 24 22:37:32 1994
Maybe Australia feels like an extended family, but America definitely does
not. If it did, I might have stronger feelings toward it than I do now.
I do, however, have strong ffeelings toward what America was supposed to
be (ideally), so I'm not completely anti-patriotic. I don't stand for the
pledge of Allegiance or sing the anthem.
JasonLee
From minutemn@yabbs Thu Feb 24 22:55:36 1994
From: minutemn@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: Be proud of your heritage.
Date: Thu Feb 24 22:55:36 1994
I think this comes from part of America's 60's heritage. During that
period lots of young Americans were indoctrinated into being suspicious of
, if not hostile to, their country. This has been passed on, to some
degree, by the people of that generation, to the current one. I'm not
saying this is bad or wrong (even though I am proud to be American), just
that perhaps it comes from influential rolemodels in a person's life
(parents, teachers, etc.).
God Bless,
minuteman
From Destiny@yabbs Thu Feb 24 23:11:39 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: yup..
Date: Thu Feb 24 23:11:39 1994
If everything wasn't a mind game, then life just wouldn't be fun, now
would it :)
-Dest'
From Steyr@yabbs Fri Feb 25 00:12:22 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: Patriotism = Wars ?
Date: Fri Feb 25 00:12:22 1994
On your stance that fierce patriotism leads to wars .... well *grin* I
don't mind an odd scrap now and again and would aggressively defend my
county (Now THIS should bring a few comments *smile*).
Everyone is entitles to their own ideas on patriotism, loyalty and honor
but I feel that apathetic attitudes lead directly to social and
socio-economic breakdown.
After all ... "No man is an island" (who said that) ... and so a selfish
*I care for myself and no-one else* attitude can ultimately lead only to
destruction.
-=: Steyr :=-
Oh, P.S. Incase you didn't know cosmos .... a Steyr is an instrument
used to defend this fair country of mine.
From topi@yabbs Fri Feb 25 06:24:59 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: cosmos@yabbs
Subject: *I do what I do for myself*
Date: Fri Feb 25 06:24:59 1994
"I do what I do for myself and nothing else" -- cosmos.
That is really SAD cosmos. I pity you for your attitude. It is because of
*self centred pricks like you* that our world is falling apart and going
into such demise. You, and others like you are ruining this experience
called "life" for all the rest of us who are trying to give it a go.
Think about how we are all made in the same form (as humans) and have SOME
compassion for your fellow men/women/children..
because *I* care,
Cath.
From Cat@yabbs Fri Feb 25 07:53:43 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: no title
Date: Fri Feb 25 07:53:43 1994
Wellup. I think we have missed the channel heading yet again folks. What
the heck, guess it does'n matter. What ever floats your boat I guess!
Ummm, patriotism is just like any other ism, or anything else for that
matter: fine in healthy doses..just as long as one doesn't get carried
away with it. I guess I'm not very nationalistic, but I do like living in
America, esp. in New England, :) and I wouldn't want to live anywhere
else. This country suits me just fine...always SOMETHING going on. :)
--Cat's two cents. :)
From topi@yabbs Fri Feb 25 08:25:33 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: no title
Date: Fri Feb 25 08:25:33 1994
I think you've missed the boat somewhere Cat.. re-read over this mail
base.. i see mind games everywhere.. in people's opinions.. in others
trying to persuade them to see their opinions.. you don't seem to be too
knowledgeable about mind games there Cat.. so stop whingeing about
something you seem to have no idea of anyway..
just my three cents worth :)
Cath.
From topi@yabbs Fri Feb 25 08:30:03 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: cat@yabbs
Subject: re: no title
Date: Fri Feb 25 08:30:03 1994
just adding something here.. another thing you can do Cat, is make up
something that is more interesting for us to discuss here...
For example; "ENGINEERS DO IT BETTER"
All feed back is most welcome.
there's a bout a dollars worth..
Cath.
From cosmos@yabbs Fri Feb 25 11:27:08 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: *I do what I do for myself*
Date: Fri Feb 25 11:27:08 1994
Thank you for your name calling and flame baiting answer. I wont even
grace you with a reply, because frankly you do not merit one.
Cosmos
From honkfish@yabbs Fri Feb 25 12:33:08 1994
From: honkfish@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: Country
Date: Fri Feb 25 12:33:08 1994
What you percieve to be your "country" is nothing but what you have been
told id your country. This comes from the state, which uses the useful
little tool of "patriotism" to legitimise its control over a population.
This is not the same as being proud of your city, family or region or
whatever. It's a nebulous concept imposed on you by others and you are
told that if necessary you must die for that concept..
You must remember that there are no self-suffiecient nations anymore. To a
greater or lesser degree, there is no "national economy" to speak of in
most nations. There is an integrated world econmoy.. From the Brazilian
coffee you drink in the morning to the table made from Malaysian wood you
rest your mug on, no country exists in isolation. When the price of iron
changes on the world commodity markets determines which families willl
eat this week and which will be left with no income as firms shift their
purchases to the cheaper option (often without knowing from where the iron
came from).
I could go on for hours.
James.
From Cat@yabbs Fri Feb 25 13:40:30 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: no title
Date: Fri Feb 25 13:40:30 1994
I didn't miss the boat at all, I just wasn't on the same boat you were.
I'm sorry if what I said came across as "whining". That certainly wasn't
my intention. And I know plenty about mind games. I guess if you wanted
to, you could say that EVERYTHING is some sort of mind game-it all depends
on your perception of the situation. I like mind games, play them all the
time, just like me all do. :)
From Cat@yabbs Fri Feb 25 13:42:25 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: no title
Date: Fri Feb 25 13:42:25 1994
:) Hmmm. I wonder just WHAT it is that they do better though? Hmm,
something to think about. Good mind game topi.
Thanks for the dollars worth. :)
From !@#asd@yabbs Fri Feb 25 15:52:49 1994
From: !@#asd@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: the state of the union
Date: Fri Feb 25 15:52:49 1994
i quit believing in "the great country" theory a long time ago. There was
a time when i was growing up that i beleived but not now. I used t4o be
able to leave my truck or car unlocked over night, call it dumb but it was
just the way it was around our neighborhood. Plain and simple you just
did not fuck w/ anyone elses shit! This ended about 6 years ago, my
sts ripped out of my truck(about $4,000) worth. From that point on i
trust no man woman or child! it is sad but this country is becoming sad.
well that is my 5 cents
i am on Cosmos side on this one!
From !@#asd@yabbs Fri Feb 25 15:53:57 1994
From: !@#asd@yabbs
To: !@#asd@yabbs
Subject: re: the state of the union
Date: Fri Feb 25 15:53:57 1994
should be my stereo was in the line ripped off
From Deaska@yabbs Fri Feb 25 17:10:28 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Critical Allegiances
Date: Fri Feb 25 17:10:28 1994
Steyr, the americans are on a way different wavelength to what we are...
and even though this seems a generalization, it is true that different
nations' people think differently (afterall, why do we need Summits at the
International Ministerial Level? Cuz, we're not all buddies)
I support Steyr and all those who have a strong sense of allegiance to
their nation... although I can say that this is not a pluralist attitude
in Australia, (some of you might say... why do we care... at this point)
we just haven't been pissed on by the state as much as some other nations
have.
But frankly, lets see some internationalism, cuz you're not gonna have
much choice in later years... IMHO
Deask'
From SPARKLER@yabbs Fri Feb 25 17:13:53 1994
From: SPARKLER@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: a mind game
Date: Fri Feb 25 17:13:53 1994
Here is a true mind games sugahs
When I say "Demons and Rogues know nothin' else save sunlight."
what does it mean sugahs
Love ya all SPARKLER
From honkfish@yabbs Fri Feb 25 19:30:25 1994
From: honkfish@yabbs
To: SPARKLER@yabbs
Subject: demons
Date: Fri Feb 25 19:30:25 1994
I suppose it depends on where you stress particular words...
ie nothin', else, save or sunlight (or some combination)
You can have quite a few meanings to one sentence.
Yours confusing maters,
(make that matters!!)
Honkfish
From Cat@yabbs Sat Feb 26 09:54:41 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: SPARKLER@yabbs
Subject: re: a mind game
Date: Sat Feb 26 09:54:41 1994
Who cares? :)
From Xela@yabbs Sat Feb 26 12:29:38 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: alliegance
Date: Sat Feb 26 12:29:38 1994
If you believe in your country you are fucked in the head, plain and
simple. Especially if its this country (USA).
My short and sweet two cents,
Alex
From cosmos@yabbs Sat Feb 26 13:34:17 1994
From: cosmos@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: alliegance
Date: Sat Feb 26 13:34:17 1994
Heheheheheh...right on target.
Cosmos
From Steyr@yabbs Sat Feb 26 19:46:16 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: alliegance
Date: Sat Feb 26 19:46:16 1994
So tell me, what exactly is so wrong with having a sense of pride in ones
heritage and country ?
-=: Steyr :=-
From SPARKLER@yabbs Sat Feb 26 20:03:47 1994
From: SPARKLER@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: alliegance
Date: Sat Feb 26 20:03:47 1994
I Am very proud of my heritage as well. I see nothin' wrong with it.
Everyone should have somethin' to be proud of, and i f ya can't be proud
of what ya ancesters were than how can ya be proud of yaself?
Is a mix of all nations, and she is proud of all of them, while they
all may not be perfect they made the world what it is today and if they
weren't there who knows what the world would be like?
Love ya all
SPARKLER
From dan-bob@yabbs Sun Feb 27 09:21:05 1994
From: dan-bob@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: Be proud of your heritage.
Date: Sun Feb 27 09:21:05 1994
why sould i be proud of my country, i dont like what
it is doing, I don't like what iot is becoming.
is a mother proud of her rapest son?
From Xela@yabbs Sun Feb 27 12:11:33 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: Arrogance
Date: Sun Feb 27 12:11:33 1994
Steyr said -
"So tell me, what exactly is so wrong with having a sense of pride in ones
heritage and country ?"
Ok, easy. When you have arrogant feelings about anything which your
rulers back, i.e. wars against other countries, that gives you all the
justification you need to do whatever you feel like to that country and
its people, i.e. rape and pillage. Pride in something other than yourself
gives you what you feel is the right to anything you please, because your
country is goddamned great, et al. Ever hear of anybody do something "for
love of God and State?" Sound familiar? Well that person is fucked in
the head not only because he/she is psychotically arrogant, but the ruling
govt. can take advantage of that as well. If you knew about the American
Army, you would know how it entices young men and women to join. Slick
commercials depicting "real men" hunting down other "bad men." Pictures
of "fame, fortune, and glory." That is, apparently if you are an
engineer on a nuclear sub, you'll have the skills to do anything in life,
etc. etc. etc. Government feeds this "pride" to the point where it can do
anything.
-Alex
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Feb 27 14:26:10 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: dan-bob@yabbs
Subject: re: Be proud of your heritage.
Date: Sun Feb 27 14:26:10 1994
As long as you have reasons for not having pride in your country (i.e. you
don't like what it's doing/becoming) then that's fine. WHat I don't
understand is apathetic fools who think if they shut themselves away
worrying only about themsleves then things are gonna be OK. Whether
youe for or against your country (lets face it ... ppl against something
is what brings about change) isn't the issue so much as ppl who don't care
simply coz they are too self centred or too lazy.
-=: Steyr :=-
From JasonLee@yabbs Sun Feb 27 15:34:43 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: dan-bob@yabbs
Subject: re: Be proud of your heritage.
Date: Sun Feb 27 15:34:43 1994
I think, if you have something to be proud of in your country/heritage,
then be proud, but there are two things to remember:
1) Don't let your pride lead you into believing that you are better than
other people.
2) Just because you aren't proud of something, that doesn't mean other
people can't be.
JasonLee
From Cat@yabbs Sun Feb 27 17:23:08 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Be proud of your heritage.
Date: Sun Feb 27 17:23:08 1994
I like this country just fine. It's sthe govt. I could sometimes do
without. :)
From robtelee@yabbs Mon Feb 28 03:12:01 1994
From: robtelee@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Patriotism
Date: Mon Feb 28 03:12:01 1994
I have been following the dabate on this base regarding Patriotism and
feelings for one's heritage. It seems that some have the two confused.
Having one does not mean they have the other. Patriotism also does NOT
mean to blindly folow what the government is saying, doing, etc.
Patriotism, to me, means to have pride in the accomplishments of our past
and to look hopefully into the future. The United States have
accomplished much for a relatively young country. We explored and
conquered a continent. Along with others, the United States developed
flight for mankind. The United States put man on the moon. Those are
accomplishments to be proud of.
On the other hand, the United States commited genocide against the Native
American peoples of that inhabited this continent long before the arrival
of the white race. The United States, with others, developed
thermonuclear devices capable of obliterating ALL human life. Couple of
things to not be real proud of. The list could be extended, but I take it
for granted that all are intelligent to get my point.
I am very patriotic. I dearly love the United States. To be told I am
"fucked in the head" is very insulting. I am also proud to have a Native
American culture to be proud of. It gives roots for me to look back on
and see how far America has come. I have served in the Armed Forces for
the United States (United States Marine Corps, class of 74). I felt at
the time, and still do, that this country was something worth fighting
for. I can understand what Steyr is saying and can empathize with him.
So, please, do not dismiss someone because they have strong feelings for
their country. As for those of you who have nothing to be proud of other
than yourselves, you have my sympathy.
robtelee
From minutemn@yabbs Wed Mar 2 07:12:33 1994
From: minutemn@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: re: Patriotism
Date: Wed Mar 2 07:12:33 1994
Amen.
From Le@yabbs Wed Mar 2 13:55:18 1994
From: Le@yabbs
To: steyr@yabbs
Subject: huh?
Date: Wed Mar 2 13:55:18 1994
way back when, you stated that the crime rate was related
to a lack of patriotism... I majored in criminology
and can tell you that you are way off base with that one.
If you are going to make faulty correlations, at least
supply the corresponding faulty reasoning behind them, as
you make no statements in support of that idea.
And as far as my view of patriotism (for anyone who
cares, and for those who don't :P ) I don't need it.
I accept that I have a freedom to live the way I choose
in this country within the boundaries placed on me
by the state. I am grateful for the freedom, and I accept
those boundaries. I do the best I can to survive, and
that's the best it gets in this day and age.
As for the pathetic state of the nation today, I look to the
disintegration of the family caused in part by the strains
resulting from the ever-lowering standard of living in this
country as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, and
the middle class fights for its life. The American dream
is just about dead, and it's taking patriotism with it.
From robtelee@yabbs Wed Mar 2 17:04:28 1994
From: robtelee@yabbs
To: Le@yabbs
Subject: re: huh?
Date: Wed Mar 2 17:04:28 1994
right on target :)
From Steyr@yabbs Wed Mar 2 23:44:15 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: Le@yabbs
Subject: Crime
Date: Wed Mar 2 23:44:15 1994
Ok, I can't argue against a criminology major coz I haven't studied it so
I will concede your point. Although I was merely making an observation
... that crime rates are higher in areas where ppl don't give a shit about
anything except themselves ... and drawing conclusions from there. That
may be wrong too but it's what I see.
I still stand by my opint though ... that the 'who gives a f***' attutide
is rarely beneficial for a county, whereas a positive (or negative)
attitude is good. It provides direction ... or in the negative sense ...
brings about change.. A country full of ppl who dwell on there own
problems all their life is going nowhere fast. Oops, their ^^^^.
-=: Steyr :=-
From Le@yabbs Thu Mar 3 00:17:24 1994
From: Le@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: If you are going
Date: Thu Mar 3 00:17:24 1994
to make statements, why don't you back them up with facts?
Otherwise, you just provide opinions, which are like...
Well, everybody has one.
If you wish to claim that crime rates are higher in areas where
people don't care about anything but themselves, then please
feel free to provide the documentation to prove it. Perhaps
I can refer you to a few criminology texts. ;)
You have already conceded that those who are unpatriotic are
not necessarily criminal, are you saying that those who are criminal
are unpatriotic? Thus areas where pride in country/community/etc.
is low would be those areas where crime is high because those are
attitudes one finds in criminals? This relates to the view
of crime as a socio-economic phenomena, perhaps you picked up on that
in my last post.
As for apathy, I don't see the problem. If everyone lived their
lives without regard to others, that would create a problem.
But I do not equate inconsideration for fellow man with political
apathy or lack of patriotism. I believe you are drawing several
faulty correlations, or at the very least misusing your terms.
From minutemn@yabbs Thu Mar 3 11:36:28 1994
From: minutemn@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: new mind game.
Date: Thu Mar 3 11:36:28 1994
Ok, here's what I would like to know.
Would you rather get gutshot in the summer or the winter?
From !@#asd@yabbs Thu Mar 3 12:24:17 1994
From: !@#asd@yabbs
To: minutemn@yabbs
Subject: re: new mind game.
Date: Thu Mar 3 12:24:17 1994
you plan on getting shot????? what you get to pick your weapon and the
time it is going to be done!!!!
From Le@yabbs Thu Mar 3 15:16:06 1994
From: Le@yabbs
To: !@#asd@yabbs
Subject: what is...
Date: Thu Mar 3 15:16:06 1994
gutshot anyway?
getting shot in the gut?
or is it some strange hunting term I am not familiar with?
From Cat@yabbs Thu Mar 3 16:15:59 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Le@yabbs
Subject: re: what is...
Date: Thu Mar 3 16:15:59 1994
I have never heard of gutshot either. Sounds nasty, doesn't it? Ick ick
icky. I think I'd rather not get shot at all.
:) Although being knifed would be worse I think.
From honkfish@yabbs Thu Mar 3 21:12:16 1994
From: honkfish@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: Gutshot
Date: Thu Mar 3 21:12:16 1994
If you've seen Reservoir Dogs, Mr.Orange (the undercover cop) is shot in
the gut - wasn't pleasant, was it?
Personally I'd duck...
From JasonLee@yabbs Thu Mar 3 22:50:54 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: honkfish@yabbs
Subject: re: Gutshot
Date: Thu Mar 3 22:50:54 1994
Nope, Mr. Orange didn't particularly like it.
Well, I'd prefer to be shot in the gut during the summer, just because I
like the summer better than anything else. I'd be really pissed off at
getting shot during the winter.
Two things I hate a lot:
1) Being cold
2) Being wet
Guess what winter is like?
JasonLee
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Fri Mar 4 08:27:01 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Gutshot
Date: Fri Mar 4 08:27:01 1994
Gutshot is a nasty way to die. Very slow and extremely painful!
I know, I died that way once!!
From Cat@yabbs Fri Mar 4 08:49:03 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: honkfish@yabbs
Subject: re: Gutshot
Date: Fri Mar 4 08:49:03 1994
Never seen that...but like I said, a gut shot sounds like a grisly thing.
:( So THAT'S where you got Reservoir Dogs. I was wondering about that...
From Cat@yabbs Fri Mar 4 08:49:51 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: NJDEVIL@yabbs
Subject: re: Gutshot
Date: Fri Mar 4 08:49:51 1994
But you just keep coming back to haunt us, right nj? :)
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Fri Mar 4 08:53:20 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: Gutshot
Date: Fri Mar 4 08:53:20 1994
Too oldf and stupid to lay down and stay dead!
From Cat@yabbs Fri Mar 4 08:58:05 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: NJDEVIL@yabbs
Subject: re: Gutshot
Date: Fri Mar 4 08:58:05 1994
Nj, you're not old and stupid. :) You're young and careless. :) Big
difference between the two you know. :)
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Fri Mar 4 09:00:15 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: Gutshot
Date: Fri Mar 4 09:00:15 1994
tanks again.
Is gut shot and begins to die again!!!
From Cat@yabbs Fri Mar 4 09:03:38 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: NJDEVIL@yabbs
Subject: re: Gutshot
Date: Fri Mar 4 09:03:38 1994
Gack. That's nasty. :)
:plugs up the wound with bubble gum
From Destiny@yabbs Fri Mar 4 10:37:14 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: hmm
Date: Fri Mar 4 10:37:14 1994
Do any of you guys seriously believe in past lives? What do you think of
paranormal activity...just curious...
-Dest' :)
From Cat@yabbs Fri Mar 4 13:31:55 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: re: hmm
Date: Fri Mar 4 13:31:55 1994
I have nine lives all at once Dest! :) Seriously, I never really believed
in past lives. I guess I can't imagine a life being any better or worse
that the one I'm in now. I wouldn't want to think I've been other people
or would be others. It's a cool idea to think about though. :)
Paranormal activity, hmmmm. I think anything is possible, maybe not
probable, but anything is possible. :)
From !@#asd@yabbs Fri Mar 4 15:02:18 1994
From: !@#asd@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: if i come back
Date: Fri Mar 4 15:02:18 1994
if i come back as anything i would want it to be a whale!
yes a whale! #ft wide tounge, hell the girls would love me>:)
From Le@yabbs Fri Mar 4 16:20:31 1994
From: Le@yabbs
To: destiny@yabbs
Subject: past lives
Date: Fri Mar 4 16:20:31 1994
I don't believe in past lives in the sense that you yourself
actually reincarnate. I do believe that the soul reincarnates.
I don't believe time to be linear in the spiritual sense, so
all lives occur at the same time. And thus the soul is in
many times at once. :) I know it sounds kooky but I like it.
From twilight@yabbs Fri Mar 4 16:32:18 1994
From: twilight@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: ancient wisdom
Date: Fri Mar 4 16:32:18 1994
anyone ever heard of a book called the necronomicon :)
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Fri Mar 4 16:40:02 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: twilight@yabbs
Subject: re: ancient wisdom
Date: Fri Mar 4 16:40:02 1994
I do!! I have a paperback copy on my bookshelf!!
:-)
NJD
From twilight@yabbs Fri Mar 4 16:55:12 1994
From: twilight@yabbs
To: NJDEVIL@yabbs
Subject: re: ancient wisdom
Date: Fri Mar 4 16:55:12 1994
do you beleive in thulku? :--)
From honkfish@yabbs Fri Mar 4 20:38:39 1994
From: honkfish@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: past Lives
Date: Fri Mar 4 20:38:39 1994
I feel I am original and don't like the sound of someone else being me in
the past or whatever....
However, as Le says, something is very dodgy about time ( for example in
the way extremly large gravitational fields seem to affect it..). Perhaps
it is cyclical or somewthing weirder.........
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Fri Mar 4 21:09:21 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: twilight@yabbs
Subject: re: ancient wisdom
Date: Fri Mar 4 21:09:21 1994
:-)
From Deaska@yabbs Fri Mar 4 21:39:00 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: honkfish@yabbs
Subject: clock is ticking
Date: Fri Mar 4 21:39:00 1994
Isn't "time" our own construction? Does time really exist?
(sure that might sound silly at first... but take some "time" to think
about it)
so many things us humans don't know..
Deask'
From Steyr@yabbs Sat Mar 5 01:51:16 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Are we alive ?
Date: Sat Mar 5 01:51:16 1994
OK then ... here's something which has rattled around my mind
occasionally.
Is the human body really a single living entity, or could we compare
ourselves to, say, a nest of ants .... with individual cells within our
body corresponding to an ant in the nest ... all working together to
achive common goals. Are we really alive or are we just an association
between cells ? Could a nest or hive of insects be considered a single
entity ?
On the other end of the scale ... perhaps we are just a tiny part of a
much larger living entity called Earth ... or perhaps the galaxy. Could
we perhaps be to the Earth as a single cell is to us ? Does the Earth
have it's own thought patterns on a level which we cannot comprehend ?
OK. Enough weirdness for one day. Let me know what you think. Am I
really a kook ?
From honkfish@yabbs Sat Mar 5 12:24:22 1994
From: honkfish@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: Where are we alive?
Date: Sat Mar 5 12:24:22 1994
I have a nagging suspicion about the interconnectedness and triangulation
of all things ie. our actions affect our environment in ways we cannot
fathom.
Are we entirely seperate from the environment or are we just "client
users" of a conglomeration of cells? Why do "we" think but our component
cells do not : why does my liver not tell me to stop drinking?
Intriguing...
From Xela@yabbs Sat Mar 5 12:29:55 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: honkfish@yabbs
Subject: time...
Date: Sat Mar 5 12:29:55 1994
What freaks me out is that if you take twins, put one on a plane and leave
one stationary, the twin in the plane (because he's moving) upon landing
will be older than the twin who remained stationary... time is really
screwed up
-alex
From Xela@yabbs Sat Mar 5 12:50:06 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: time...
Date: Sat Mar 5 12:50:06 1994
correction...the moving twin will be younger. My mistake.
-Alex
From Cat@yabbs Sun Mar 6 12:06:03 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: !@#asd@yabbs
Subject: re: if i come back
Date: Sun Mar 6 12:06:03 1994
Hmmm. I suppose they would Kidder...but wouldn't the flippers make it hard
for you to...never mind! Cat will not get into this one, or touch it with
a 10 foot pole. :)
From Cat@yabbs Sun Mar 6 12:07:55 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: time...
Date: Sun Mar 6 12:07:55 1994
Where did you get this one Xela? I'd be curious to read about it.
From Cat@yabbs Sun Mar 6 12:12:43 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: Are we alive ?
Date: Sun Mar 6 12:12:43 1994
Hmmm. If it wasn't for thew fact that we feel emotions, I'd say we were
just like the ant colony, or just a community of cells. Hmm. If one ant
feels something, it doesn't affect the whole colony does it? Or maybe it
does, hmm. I'm getting my self all confuzzled. We think and feel, so I
guess
we're alive. I don't know. Another thing that scares me, if no one sees
us, and if people stop acknowledging our existance, do wer exist at all?
I have sat in a crowded room and felt invisible before, and I always
wonder durning those times if I'm really there at all.
From Xela@yabbs Sun Mar 6 12:24:00 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: time...
Date: Sun Mar 6 12:24:00 1994
Something to do with how time slows down to zero as you approach the speed
of light; the twin on the plane ages slower *relative* to the stationary
twin, because time is different for the moving twin.
Or something like that. I have an explanation in terms of linear algebra,
but I don't understand parts of it. I think I have the gist of it right.
Any physics majors want to shoot me down on this one?
-Alex
From Cat@yabbs Sun Mar 6 13:26:58 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: time...
Date: Sun Mar 6 13:26:58 1994
Thanks. I was curious as to where you got that idea. :)
From Destiny@yabbs Sun Mar 6 17:52:58 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: hehe...
Date: Sun Mar 6 17:52:58 1994
Your last line about possibility and probability sounds just like
something I might say...hehehe... :)
-Dest'
From Destiny@yabbs Sun Mar 6 17:54:00 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Le@yabbs
Subject: hmmm....
Date: Sun Mar 6 17:54:00 1994
Iteresting...gives me something to think about :) Thanks for the
contribution :)
-Dest'
From Destiny@yabbs Sun Mar 6 18:04:48 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: time...
Date: Sun Mar 6 18:04:48 1994
Lat year in my physics class we had several discussions in regards to time
and it's existence as well as effect on the world. We would sit down and
calculate all of these equations which, to me, seemed nothing more than a
bunch of made up numbers standing for made up ideas. The entire concept
of time eludes me really. I would venture to say it is entirely relative.
As with many things I have come to live by, I see time as merely an
invention of humans in effort to create order- which is a goal of most
humans on this earth. We strive for this thing called order and create
all of these vehiclews by which to acheive it. I think time is merely one
of these vehicles. Just a few thoughts to think about *smile* As always,
thanks for taking the time to listen, and to those of you who wish to
respond, thanks for your contributions of ideas.
-Dest'
From Morph@yabbs Sun Mar 6 20:10:45 1994
From: Morph@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: re: time...
Date: Sun Mar 6 20:10:45 1994
ANyone read a book called The Fermata...it deals alot with time and
stuff...
From Cat@yabbs Sun Mar 6 21:20:21 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Morph@yabbs
Subject: re: time...
Date: Sun Mar 6 21:20:21 1994
No, but it sounds interesting. What;s it about?
From JasonLee@yabbs Sun Mar 6 23:12:23 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: time...
Date: Sun Mar 6 23:12:23 1994
Let's hear the Linear Algebraic explanation...
JasonLee
From Destiny@yabbs Mon Mar 7 00:17:25 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Morph@yabbs
Subject: The Fermata
Date: Mon Mar 7 00:17:25 1994
nope, never read it...any good?
-Dest'
From Xela@yabbs Mon Mar 7 11:19:32 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: okay...
Date: Mon Mar 7 11:19:32 1994
I'll bring my lin. alg notes later this afternonn...see what i can do with
them...
-Alex
(god i hate this lag)
From Xela@yabbs Mon Mar 7 22:02:28 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: warp speed dude...
Date: Mon Mar 7 22:02:28 1994
Because of experiments in the late 1800's, it was found that the speed of
light is independent of the velocity of the instrument measuring it. So
if a spaceship travels away from the sun at 100,000 mps (miles per second)
and measures the speed of light...the result would be the familiar old
value of 186,000 mps and *not* 86,000 mps. So Einstein came up with a way
of relating changing coordinate systems in "space-time." It's known today
as his special theory of relativity.
So I'll start off with some definitions are work from there:
1) We have two nonaccelerating coordinate systems S and S' in three-space
(R^3, or 3-D). Because there is no acceleration, S' moves at a constant
velocity relative to S.
2)The corresponding axes of S and S' (x,x',y,y',z, and z') are parallel.
The origin of S' moves in the positive direction along the x-axis of S, at
a constant velocity v > 0 relative to S.
3)Two clocks C and C' are placed in space. C is placed stationary
relative to S, and C' placed stationary relative to S'. The time unit is
in seconds. At the point where the origins of S and S' are the same, the
clocks both read zero.
4)The unit of length is the light second (the distance light travels in
one second). So the speed of light (in respect to these units) is one
light second per second.
Because I'll need to use some matrix stuff, a column vector will be
written as [x1,x2,...,xn]; each component separated by a comma.
From Xela@yabbs Mon Mar 7 22:11:32 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: part deux
Date: Mon Mar 7 22:11:32 1994
The designation of space-time coordinates involves the recognition of
position and time of an event p. p has space-time coordinates [x,y,z,t]
relative to coord-system S and clock C. p has space-time coord
[x',y',z',t'] relative to S' and clock C'.
If you can recall from linear algebra, a mapping (or linear
transformation) can be defined such that for event p at [x,y,z,t] with
respect to S and C:
T(v):R^4 -> R^4 and T(v)[x,y,z,t] = [x',y',z',t']
T(v), read T sub v, is one-to-one and onto. That is, each value in the
domain has a unique value in the range, and each value in the domain is
guaranteed an "image" or a transformation, from T(v).
Because my screen is looking funny, I'll continue this in the next
message...
From Xela@yabbs Mon Mar 7 22:36:55 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: III
Date: Mon Mar 7 22:36:55 1994
There are some assumptions about T(v) that Einstein used, called the
"axioms of the Special Theory of Relativity."
(R1) The speed of any light beam, when measured in either coordinate
system using a clock stationary to its coord. system, is 1.
(R2) T(v) is an isomorphism. (meaning basically that T(v) is invertible;
it has an inverse matrix)
(R3) For any [x, y, z, t] in R^4,
If T(v)[x, y, z, t] = [x', y', z', t'], then y' = y, and z' = z.
(R4) For T(v)[x, y, z, t] = [x', y', z', t'],
x' and t' are independent of y and z. This means if:
T(v)[x, y1, z1, t] = [x', y', z', t'] and if
T(v)[x, y2, z2, t] = [x'', y'', z'', t''] then
x'' = x' and t'' = t'.
(R5) The origin of S moves in the neg. direction of the x'-axis of S'
at constant velocity -v < 0 as measured from S'.
So, consider the instant the origins of S and S' coincide, and say that a
flash of light is emitted from the twocommon origins. The event of the
light flash when measured with respect to either S and C or S' and C' has
space-time coord. [0, 0, 0, 0].
Let P be the set of all events whose space-time coord. equal [x, y, z, t]
relative to S and C, such that the flash is observable from [x, y, z] at
the time t. Since the speed of light was defined as 1, at any time t >= 0
the light flash is obserrvable from any point with distance d
(sorry lag there)...from any point with distance t times 1, which equals
t. These points correspond to x-y-z sphere points with radius t with a
center at the origin. This satisfies the equation x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = t^2.
Therefore, an event lies in P if and only if its space-time coord. satisfy
the equation x^2 + y^2 + z^2 - t^2 = 0, relative to S and C. The same can
be said for event P relative to S' and C': it must satisfy the equation
(x')^2 + (y')^2 + (z')^2 - (t')^2 = 0.
From Xela@yabbs Mon Mar 7 22:54:21 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: IV
Date: Mon Mar 7 22:54:21 1994
Now the theory gets into inner product spaces...
1 second after the origins of S and S' coincide, the space-time
coordinates of S' (moving along the x-axis at velocity v), relative to S
and C are [v, 0, 0, 1]. The space-time coord. for the origin of S'
relative to S' and C' is [0, 0, 0, t'] for t' > 0.
Therefore T(v)[v, 0, 0, 1] = [0, 0, 0, t'] for some t' > 0.
Let A = { 1 0 0 0 }
{ 0 1 0 0 }
{ 0 0 1 0 }
{ 0 0 0 -1 }, this matrix acts as a basis for the sphere equation
earlier. On theory, T*(v) L(A) T(v) = L(A)).
, so...
<T*(v) L(A) T(v) [v, 0, 0, 1], [v, 0, 0, 1]> =
<L(A) [v, 0, 0, 1], [v, 0, 0, 1]> = v^2 - 1
also...
<T*(v) L(A) T(v) [v, 0, 0, 1], [v, 0, 0, 1]> =
<L(A) T(v) [v, 0, 0, 1], T(v) [v, 0, 0, 1]>
by definition of adjoint transformations in inner product spaces, which
equals...
= <L(A)[0, 0, 0, t'], [0, 0, 0, t']> = -(t')^2
So v^2 - 1 = -(t')^2, or t' = (1- v^2) ^(1/2)
Conclussion next...
From Xela@yabbs Mon Mar 7 23:18:51 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: okay...
Date: Mon Mar 7 23:18:51 1994
So... T(v)[v, 0, 0, 1] = [0, 0, 0, (1-v^2)^.5]
Measuring S and C in terms of S' and C' 1 second after the origins
coincide, there exists a time t'' > 0 on C' such that
T(v)[0, 0, 0, 1] = [-vt'', 0, 0, t''] and using the same techniques as
above,
t'' = 1/ (1-v^2)^.5
so T(v)[0, 0, 0, 1] = [ -v/(1 - v^2)^.5, 0, 0, 1/(1-v^2)^.5]
TIME CONTRACTION: this is the basis for my point about the twins...
Say the origin of S' corresponds to the twin on the plane, and the origin
of S corresponds to the stationary twin. Start them off at the same
point, so that their origins and their clocks both read zero at point of
departure.
As viewed from S, the space-time coord. of the plane at t > 0 measured by
C are [vt, 0, 0, t]. From S' the s-t coord. of the plane at t > 0 is
measured by [0, 0, 0, t']. The two sets of points describe the same
event, so T(v)[vt, 0, 0, t] = [0, 0, 0, t']
T(v) = { 1/(1-v^2)^.5 0 0 -v/(1-v^2)^.5 }
{ 0 1 0 0 }
{ 0 0 1 0 }
{-v/(1-v^2)^.5 0 0 1/(1-v^2)^.5 }
After matrix multiplication... t' = t(1-v^2)^.5
So the time on the plane whic h the twin experiences, t', is some fraction
of the time, t, which the stationary twin experiences. So the plane twni
leaves the plane younger than the twin who stayed still.
That's about it! Phew!
-Alex
From JasonLee@yabbs Mon Mar 7 23:24:33 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: IV
Date: Mon Mar 7 23:24:33 1994
Hm, makes a bit of sense, but I think I'd actually have to look at it for
a few minutes to get it...
JasonLee
From TheDev@yabbs Tue Mar 8 03:21:04 1994
From: TheDev@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: okay...
Date: Tue Mar 8 03:21:04 1994
How about simply saying 'moving clocks run slower'?
The moving twin experienced an acceleration which slowed it's
'clock' relative to the stationary twin. Thus the moving twin would
age more slowly until deacceleration which would return the moving
twin's 'clock' to the same rate (certainly not time) as the stationary
one.
Thus the descrepancy in age upon return. The Lorentz transformations you
explained in great deal are correct but confusing to the non-physics
type. Hopefully this intuitive explanation will clarify it.
The Dev
From Cat@yabbs Tue Mar 8 09:04:15 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: @yabbs
Subject: re: okay...
Date: Tue Mar 8 09:04:15 1994
:) Well, thanks for putting the information up about the twins in time
Xela. It was really rather interesting, from what I could undrrstand of
it. It also reminded me why I'm an English major. I love words. Numbers
hate me, but I'm very impressed by those that get along well with numbers
and can make nubers do what they want them to do. The only numbers I'm
fond of are the ones on my paychecks, and they're always too low. :)
Thanks again for the info. :)
From Deaska@yabbs Tue Mar 8 11:02:52 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: okay...
Date: Tue Mar 8 11:02:52 1994
"Arts Do It Better"
*grin*
(still bedazzled by the mumbo jumbo, but we all should love Ein)
Deask'
(hoping the next few months go FTL ;)
From Xela@yabbs Tue Mar 8 11:31:07 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: jeez...
Date: Tue Mar 8 11:31:07 1994
I just like to remind people I'm a biology major, and I had as much
trouble understanding this as any other non-math major. Anyway, hoped it
helped someone out.
-Alex
From Cat@yabbs Tue Mar 8 11:54:04 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: jeez...
Date: Tue Mar 8 11:54:04 1994
*hug* It was helpful Xela, And we all love you for it. :)
-Tammie
From Destiny@yabbs Tue Mar 8 15:09:37 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: *smile*
Date: Tue Mar 8 15:09:37 1994
The last few posts have made me feel like I was in AP Physics all over
again. But, physics is over for me (thank heaven). I though I might post
a new topic for consideration. I wasn't sure if it would really fit under
the mind games topic, but when I thought about it, I realized it is very
appropriate for the board. Topic for consideration:
Is love chemical, mental or both...or neither. And do you believe in
the concept that two people can be meant for each other, or do you think
any couple can have love if they work at it hard enough. I guess this
might also get into the ideas of fate and "destiny"...I'm -really-
interested in everyone's thoughts on this...whatever they may be...thanks
as always for taking the time to read :) Take care all :)
-Dest'
From Cat@yabbs Tue Mar 8 15:55:47 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: re: *smile*
Date: Tue Mar 8 15:55:47 1994
Interesting topic. :) Hmmm. I'm not sure about love being chemical, that
sounds so unromantic, even if it is true I guess. I don't think that any
old couple can fall in love if they work hard enough at it. I know little
about love, but I don't think it's something that you can force or hope to
achieve as time passes. Hmmm.
I alos think love is a nice idea and a great word, but too many people
throw it around these days like it was meaningless, or get it confused
with other words. Hmm. As to love in regards of fate and "destiny" ;)
I think fate plays an element in it. Can a person chose who thaey fall in
love with, or do they just love inspite of themselves?
Also, do you think that a person can stop loving someone they loved? I
always wondered about that. I think that love and hate are alot alkie. So
many times, when someone has been hurt by someone they loved, that love
turns into hate. Or so I've noticed and been told. As I said, I klnow
little about love, but being an English major, I find it safe to say that
is makes a great theme in lit! :)
My this just went on and on didn't it? Oh well! :)
From JasonLee@yabbs Tue Mar 8 19:13:19 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: re: *smile*
Date: Tue Mar 8 19:13:19 1994
Mental.
No.
No.
JasonLee
From Cat@yabbs Tue Mar 8 20:53:09 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: hmmm
Date: Tue Mar 8 20:53:09 1994
This is a bit morbid, but my mind was playing a game on me again. I was
thinking about people in this cyber community of ours..and how we all
kinda know one another pretty well, you know what I mean. Th thing that
really freaked me out was, if I were to keel over and die say, tomorrow,
you'd have no way of really knowing what happened to me. You would
probably notice I wasn't around (since I'm on so much, I'm sure you'd noti
ce, but you'd never really KNOW what happened. Creppy huh? Kinda makes me
feel a bit obsolete. :) Hmm. I apologize for the morbicity of this post, I
was just thinking weird thoughts tonight. Sometimes I feel like a shadow.,
but
you all knwo that Cat is a kook anyway. :)
From Charon@yabbs Tue Mar 8 21:59:20 1994
From: Charon@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: re: *smile*
Date: Tue Mar 8 21:59:20 1994
destiny, and everyone else... i think that everyone is meant for someone.
i have been trying to find the girl of my dream sfor a while now. i keep
thinking i have found her but then something unclicks and i am back to
square one. right now i am seeing a girl whom i have *loved* for a few
years. we were freinds for a while but now we are closer on an emotional
level. i believe that i have been fated for one female ans one only.....
That is how the world operates when it comes to love. ideally, fidelity is
not meant for humans. humans like animals have basic instincts that they
can not stay with one spouse. it is not right that humans fall inlove
with one person, it is not fated. we all have animal instincts to be with
more than one person. fate plays a major role in love, it has to because i
believe we only have one true partner with who we can love truley.......
-----
/ \
| * * |
| __ |
\ /
|___| |
| | | | |
^^^^^^^^^ _-_-=_-_ <Charon>
thanks for you r time!
From Charon@yabbs Tue Mar 8 22:10:18 1994
From: Charon@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: hmmm
Date: Tue Mar 8 22:10:18 1994
cat!!!! interesting...so this is where you hopped off to tonight .
intereting thought! i really don't know how to answer it....it really is a
scarry thought. for me, if i were to die, no body would care because i
have not been on very long so i would fade into oblivion... scary
scary.... *thinking hard* i don't believe there is much to do about
this except to keep better touch with each other. i am kinda new at this
but i feel so at home with some of you that i feel like you are a part of
my family. even thoough i don't know you all personally, i love you all!!!
well time to leave so that is my feeling ........
Charon ===========>>>>>><<<<<<<<=========
From Charon@yabbs Tue Mar 8 22:48:05 1994
From: Charon@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: DEATH
Date: Tue Mar 8 22:48:05 1994
ok new topic, death. interesting, complex, puzzling, yet mysterious. all
wrapped into one subject. do any of you think about what happens when you
die. have you sat at home in bed, at night and wonder what it will be like
when you die....when your life..YOUR EXISTENCE... is over! it scares me
alot. it also attracts me alot too. i wonder, all the time being scare
yet wanting to know more. ironic coming from the last deamon/god that the
dead see, Charon. i hope that when i die i can really live. but i always
wonder that if i die life wil just end... just like that. no explanation
of our purpose for life, just a blank screen. like pulling the cord of the
telly out of the wall. nobody will ever know, even with all of the the
advancements in sciece and technology, no one will know what happens. it
is the ultimite quest of knowledge. if one were to find out what happens
after death, they would be ridiculed and called a liar. no one would
believe them because they would all be scared to face it , DEATH!
*******Charon*******
From dmonger@yabbs Tue Mar 8 22:53:32 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: hmmm
Date: Tue Mar 8 22:53:32 1994
In message hmmm, Cat said:
> Th thing that
> really freaked me out was, if I were to keel over and die say, tomorrow,
> you'd have no way of really knowing what happened to me. You would
> probably notice I wasn't around (since I'm on so much, I'm sure you'd noti
> ce, but you'd never really KNOW what happened. Creppy huh? Kinda makes me
> feel a bit obsolete. :) Hmm. I apologize for the morbicity of this post, I
> was just thinking weird thoughts tonight. Sometimes I feel like a shadow.,
but how much does this differ from any sort of nonfacetoface (all one word)
relationship? Friends on the phone, pen-pals, email ... you never really
know what's going on in their lives, or what's happening to them unless they
tell you ... its not just a symptom of the "cyber-community".
-peter
From Le@yabbs Tue Mar 8 23:06:47 1994
From: Le@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: life love and death
Date: Tue Mar 8 23:06:47 1994
As for whether one is destined for one true love, my opinion is
that you plan your life before you are born and that you plan
to be with certain people. Now, when you get here, all may not
go according to plan, but you start off with one anyway.
(I know, we New Agers are a strange crew.) So some people plan to
be with a certain person in this life and some don't.
So there is no real answer to the question, it's an idividual choice,
as is the rest of your life.
As for what happens after death, I won't say anything cuz I don't
want to be called a liar. ;)
From JasonLee@yabbs Wed Mar 9 00:10:48 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: hmmm
Date: Wed Mar 9 00:10:48 1994
Well, it depends. Do you have any friends with net access who would
inform us iff such a terrible thing happened? Put it in your will or
something...
JasonLee
From Xela@yabbs Wed Mar 9 01:38:48 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: late nite post
Date: Wed Mar 9 01:38:48 1994
hmm...about love
Well, the scientific part of me would say that its a bunch of chemicals
getting together and partying in the head, and that those chemicals were
programmed to come together by evolution. But some folks out there will
call me a heartless bastard; an amoral scientist doomed to create the next
version of the a-bomb...
So the philosophic part of me would say its looking for the best in others
and, likewise in ones self. Looking for the beatific vision I suppose it
could be called. But some folks would say I'm full of it.
Then the smart ass part of me would read all the definitions of love
people come up with, and say that there is so much unknown about it, that
noone really has any idea what it is, so it's pointless to bicker about
each individual definition...
but it's late so I won't say that... :)
-Alex
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Wed Mar 9 09:29:08 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: hmmm
Date: Wed Mar 9 09:29:08 1994
Very interesting! That would suck and no one would know!
Gah!!! What a thought!!!
NJD
From paradox@yabbs Wed Mar 9 14:26:31 1994
From: paradox@yabbs
To: Charon@yabbs
Subject: re: hmmm
Date: Wed Mar 9 14:26:31 1994
I'm not a momo, although I play one on TV!
Heheheheheheheheheheheheheeeeeee
Lova ya Charon!
ParaDox
From Charon@yabbs Fri Mar 11 00:00:33 1994
From: Charon@yabbs
To: paradox@yabbs
Subject: re: hmmm
Date: Fri Mar 11 00:00:33 1994
well helo mister dork, whats up? you know that this is all a mind game so
i won't quibber over details. try me..... right now i am playing with
your head, while you sleep.... while you dream of how syupid school will
be tommarrow, and how cool; it will be to get drunk tommarrow night.... i
know you rhtoughts and i know you! so stick with the subject and talk
about death or LOVE.... you are in LOVE now are you not???? well, give us
all your 2 cents...........
^^^^^^^^^ Charon ^^^^^^^^^
_______________________________
** **
^^ ^^
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opps!
later!
/s
From twilight@yabbs Fri Mar 11 16:38:22 1994
From: twilight@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: my two cents
Date: Fri Mar 11 16:38:22 1994
Just FYI. Scientists and doctors have isolated chemicals which flow in
the blood stream of people in love. Studies show that these chemical
slowly dissipate over about ten years. Relationships that last this long
are ussually characterized by friendship love more than sexual
attraction. This research also lends credence to the so called seven year
itch, although it suggests that it be renamed. Sorry to all you out
there who take a more philosophical perspective to these things. As
some small consolation let me suggest that like most things to do with the
body and its chemicals, there is no way how these results are affected by
other variables. Still and all, It is rather intersting is it not? (query:
What about love potions made from these chemicals. )
Concering death: When you consider that there is no way to know what
exists after death nad there is no way to find out, it seems rather
pointless to me to speculate. If you concern yourself with living then
what goes on in the after will work itslf out, and if it doesn't you
wouldn't be able to affect it anyway. Just to really stir up the bees,
let me also suggest that this same logic can be used to undermine the
teachings of virtually every religion in the world. The purpose of
religion is to give us guidelines to follow in life in order to ensure a
good afterlife. Death is the underlying cause and religion is the
effect. The sheer diversity of religions on this biosphere is proof
enough that one single faith doesn't holds all the cards. Every one of
them is a speculation and noone can prove them can their right. Well, I
hope noone takes offence to my rantings. These are just my opinions and I
welcome any comment.
Twilight
From Charon@yabbs Fri Mar 11 23:44:39 1994
From: Charon@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: jokers wild
Date: Fri Mar 11 23:44:39 1994
ok all, i am here no need to worry..... aboutnall of this love stuff, i
know now i am in love and it is cool... no matter what all thr chemical
shit or destined to be shit, or friendship love, i am in love and i do not
know why..... BUT WHO CARES all thast matters is that i am in love, so do
not listwen to all of the scientific shit.... trust your heart and follow
you r soul... well that is my post for tomight... good bye all!!!!!!!!!
PARADOX PARADOX PARADOX PARADOX PARADOX PARADOX
Hello all.... 'dox here.... the yabbs psychologist... I'd have to agree
with my bud Charon up there... I'm also in love, and that's all that
matters. It might be a chemical that does it, but at least it's a natural
chemical, and not one that is inserted by a neddle or smoked in through a
bong. It's the world's best natural high.
Love y'
all,
'Dox
From Destiny@yabbs Sat Mar 12 00:00:45 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Charon@yabbs
Subject: paradox & charon
Date: Sat Mar 12 00:00:45 1994
well put...in your own special way :)
-Dest'
From Bingley@yabbs Sat Mar 12 01:14:03 1994
From: Bingley@yabbs
To: twilight@yabbs
Subject: re: my two cents
Date: Sat Mar 12 01:14:03 1994
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
oh is it over?
From Steyr@yabbs Sat Mar 12 07:05:06 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: twilight@yabbs
Subject: chemicals of love
Date: Sat Mar 12 07:05:06 1994
Hmmm.....chemicals which run through the system when in 'love'. That
really fascinates me. I'd be interested to know where you heard/read that
and where I could find out more about it.
-=: Steyr :=-
From Deaska@yabbs Sat Mar 12 07:14:18 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Charon@yabbs
Subject: yuppers
Date: Sat Mar 12 07:14:18 1994
Now that's the most sensible thing I've read in ages... hehehe no shit,
honest...
Love to me is like getting hit by a truck, knocked senseless... and i
agree with ya and Para (hiya Para!!! *grin*), this is one near
death experience I don't want to come out of...
Seriously, I welcome all research into what makes things tick in this
world of ours,... but I fear the potential consequences that is born from
research.
I don't like the "stand over" attitude that
some ppl have in relation to what's right and wrong, especially when
it comes to love and relationships.
Perhaps its jealousy, or the tall poppy syndrome, or just cold
heartedness. No one has the right to decide what is a love and its quality
between two or more people, except those who are involved in that
particular love. There are a lot of big mouths and small brains in this
world... if only they reversed that, listened and thought a bit more...
...they would stop before they hurt something
as beautiful as love.
Its not a perfect world, we are no angels...
KTS
Deask'
From Le@yabbs Sat Mar 12 19:00:28 1994
From: Le@yabbs
To: twilight@yabbs
Subject: btw
Date: Sat Mar 12 19:00:28 1994
Do the chemicals come first or the love?
Which is the cause and which the effect?
That is the important issue, don't you think?
As for religion, I think you might study a few before making such
blanket statements in regard to its purpose.
Or are you a religion/philosophy major?
From rick@yabbs Sun Mar 13 06:30:04 1994
From: rick@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: btw
Date: Sun Mar 13 06:30:04 1994
it is my understanding that in the animal kingdom. chemicals called
pheromones are released by animals of diffrent sexes in order to atract
mates....i wonder if the animinal known as humans uses a substitute known
as after shave..... could we be closer to animals than we like to say
something to think about......
From paradox@yabbs Sun Mar 13 13:43:46 1994
From: paradox@yabbs
To: deaska@yabbs
Subject: Heheeeee
Date: Sun Mar 13 13:43:46 1994
I'd agree with ya on that one ol' buddy... love is something that should
be looked into, but nobody should have the right to use the results of the
looking for their own personal gain(Plainly put, If ya ain't in it, don't
make it.)
Love y'all!!!!
'Dox
From Xela@yabbs Sun Mar 13 14:05:10 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: rick@yabbs
Subject: aftershave..
Date: Sun Mar 13 14:05:10 1994
my high school bio teacher had a few words to say about humans and
pheromones...basically western society reviles uncleanliness and promotes
the use of chemicals (perfumes, deoderants, aftershaves, for example) to
mask or obliterate normal human stench... he said if we have anything in
the way of pheromones, we can't notice them in any way because of our
societies distain for non-fragrant smells...
his two cents (not mine :) )
-Alex
From Cat@yabbs Mon Mar 14 08:30:35 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: aftershave..
Date: Mon Mar 14 08:30:35 1994
What's worse, the smell of someone who's perspired too much, or the smell
of someone who overdosed on the aftershave?
From Charon@yabbs Mon Mar 14 17:59:01 1994
From: Charon@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: aftershave..
Date: Mon Mar 14 17:59:01 1994
kudos to you cat!!! i would rather be drown in aftershave than drown in
sweat!!!!
From dmonger@yabbs Mon Mar 14 18:53:41 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Charon@yabbs
Subject: re: aftershave..
Date: Mon Mar 14 18:53:41 1994
someone who's done both ... ewwwwwww
From Xela@yabbs Mon Mar 14 22:01:13 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: hmm...
Date: Mon Mar 14 22:01:13 1994
I try to stay away from people who are of both persuasions... :)
General Rule of thumb: If you wear aftershave and you can set yourself on
fire with a spark, then you've used too much... :)
*my* two cents, :)
Alex
From SPARKLER@yabbs Tue Mar 15 00:29:47 1994
From: SPARKLER@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: sparks
Date: Tue Mar 15 00:29:47 1994
forgive me all but I am in a silly mood.... I just want ya all to know
that I try very hard not to catch anyone on fire with my "sparks" but I
do try to avoid those that drown themselves in aftershave because of that
fear.
Luv ya all,
Sparkler
From Cat@yabbs Tue Mar 15 10:15:31 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: SPARKLER@yabbs
Subject: re: sparks
Date: Tue Mar 15 10:15:31 1994
I knew that one was coming as soon as I read the word "sparks" in Xela's
previous post. :)
From SPARKLER@yabbs Tue Mar 15 14:10:16 1994
From: SPARKLER@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: sparks
Date: Tue Mar 15 14:10:16 1994
I just couldna help myself .....
From Destiny@yabbs Tue Mar 15 14:15:43 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Book of Questions: Love&Sex
Date: Tue Mar 15 14:15:43 1994
This book has always intrigued me and made me think about things that
wouldn't normally cross my mind. As much as I love cologne, I thought I
might change the topic and interject with an excerpt from this book. So,
here you have it, a question for you all to ponder:
#75 Do you find emotional or physical pain more difficult to handle?
For example, would you suffer more by going through life afflicted with
sever, recurring nightmares, or by having your heart broken again and
again?
Feel free to respond or just to think about it. Talk to you all soon
:) Thanks for listening, as always *smile*
-Dest'
From dmonger@yabbs Tue Mar 15 14:51:20 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: re: Book of Questions: Love&Sex
Date: Tue Mar 15 14:51:20 1994
In message Book of Questions: Love&Sex, Destiny said:
> here you have it, a question for you all to ponder:
> #75 Do you find emotional or physical pain more difficult to handle?
> For example, would you suffer more by going through life afflicted with
> sever, recurring nightmares, or by having your heart broken again and
> again?
neither of those are physical pain.
i've had my heart broken again and again ... physical pain i can deal
with, you just start to ignore it after a while ... emotional pain doesn't
disappear when you take an advil (or 4)
-peter
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Tue Mar 15 16:35:28 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: re: Book of Questions: Love&Sex
Date: Tue Mar 15 16:35:28 1994
For me emotional pain is wordt. You can cut me, break me, beat me etc. I
can cope, but hurt my emotions/feelings and I suffer much more.
From SPARKLER@yabbs Tue Mar 15 17:03:36 1994
From: SPARKLER@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: re: Book of Questions: Love&Sex
Date: Tue Mar 15 17:03:36 1994
I too have to agree that emotional pain is the worst there is... I have
been through some terrible relationships... I have been through family
problems ... and many other things. No matter how I hurt myself physical
it doesn't even equal the smallest the smallest and most mild of the
emotional pain I have been through.
Well on A nicer Note .....
Love Ya All
SPARKLER
From Cat@yabbs Tue Mar 15 17:15:07 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: re: Book of Questions: Love&Sex
Date: Tue Mar 15 17:15:07 1994
I concur with the general opinion. I'm much rather deal with physical
pain. Emotional pain stays in your mind long after physical pain goues
away because emotional pain is much more personal. As to nightmares, they
only last for a little while, and only when you're sleeping. And usually
they're brought on by emotional pain. But I'd rather not have to have
an pain at all. I have a hang up about pain. It hurts. :)
From paradox@yabbs Tue Mar 15 17:39:51 1994
From: paradox@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: re: Book of Questions: Love&Sex
Date: Tue Mar 15 17:39:51 1994
I'd suffer more with a broken heart once, that all the other evils in the
world.
ParaDox
From Destiny@yabbs Tue Mar 15 17:49:01 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: :)
Date: Tue Mar 15 17:49:01 1994
Thanks for answering guys :) The book goes from #1-#243, so if any of you
are interested in any more questions, suggest any number, and I would be
more than happy to look it up for you and post it in here :) Talk to you
all later :)
-Dest'
From Hellion@yabbs Tue Mar 15 20:07:06 1994
From: Hellion@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: re: Book of Questions: Love&Sex
Date: Tue Mar 15 20:07:06 1994
In message Book of Questions: Love&Sex, Destiny said:
> #75 Do you find emotional or physical pain more difficult to handle?
I find that from my perspective that emotional would be harder to handle.
I did hurdling for 6 year and found that physical pain is highly over-
rated.
:-)
Hellion
From Le@yabbs Wed Mar 16 10:17:02 1994
From: Le@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Book of Questions: Love&Sex
Date: Wed Mar 16 10:17:02 1994
I, for one, must disagree with the general opinion.
I hate physical pain. At least emotional pain I can to some
extent influence with my thoughts. Physical pain is not something
I can control. (I can't take most drugs as I am allergic to them.)
Having said that, I would rather experience a broken heart then a
broken arm. A broken heart means that I am alive, that I am
living, and that I was able to love. A broken arm is just stupid
pain.
From JasonLee@yabbs Wed Mar 16 13:37:57 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: Le@yabbs
Subject: re: Book of Questions: Love&Sex
Date: Wed Mar 16 13:37:57 1994
Yeah, I garee. I would much rather have the experience of emotional
damage than physical. Emotional wreckage contributes more to your
development as a human being than physical pain does. Although it hurts
more, it's better for you.
JasonLee
From honkfish@yabbs Wed Mar 16 19:21:52 1994
From: honkfish@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: re: Book of Questions: Love&Sex
Date: Wed Mar 16 19:21:52 1994
Physical pain is a signal for animals. emotional pain is for humans. It's
quite easy for us to ignore physical pain if we try but its much harder
to hide from our emotions...
From Le@yabbs Wed Mar 16 21:42:23 1994
From: Le@yabbs
To: honkfish@yabbs
Subject: re: Book of Questions: Love&Sex
Date: Wed Mar 16 21:42:23 1994
Why hide from emotions? I spent a many years of my life
without feeling any emotions. It gets to the point that
you'd rather feel pain than nothing, at least then you know
you're alive. And without pain, you wouldn't know joy either.
It might all be the same.
From laelth@yabbs Wed Mar 16 23:55:15 1994
From: laelth@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Re: all that science stuff
Date: Wed Mar 16 23:55:15 1994
Science is the religion of the late 20th century.
Ie. Please, spare me the course in religion.
my four or five cents,
-laelth
From Cat@yabbs Thu Mar 17 09:33:16 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Le@yabbs
Subject: re: Book of Questions: Love&Sex
Date: Thu Mar 17 09:33:16 1994
The human mind and heart are the strangest things in the entire world. I
wonder though, anbout rather feeling pain than nothing. Lots of folks
would rather feel nothing, when the pain gets too intense. That's why Dr.
Kevorkian and suicides exist. Lots of folks would rather chance
nothingness. No me, because I like knowing I'm still here and not in a
void, and perhaps the worst pain is better than the nothingness, but I've
never been in the nothingness, so I wouldn't know for sure. :)
From Le@yabbs Thu Mar 17 13:44:03 1994
From: Le@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: Book of Questions: Love&Sex
Date: Thu Mar 17 13:44:03 1994
People commit suicide for a lot of reasons.
With older people it may be out of physical pain.
And for others it is from overwhelming emotional pain.
And for some it's because there is nothing left, not even feelings.
From bartster@yabbs Thu Mar 17 15:54:41 1994
From: bartster@yabbs
To: Le@yabbs
Subject: re: Book of Questions: Love&Sex
Date: Thu Mar 17 15:54:41 1994
SO how does one go from having no feelings left to having feelings again?
From Cat@yabbs Thu Mar 17 16:05:46 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: bartster@yabbs
Subject: re: Book of Questions: Love&Sex
Date: Thu Mar 17 16:05:46 1994
:) Buy a boy feelings bunny and a girl feelings bunny and hope they
multiply.
From Le@yabbs Thu Mar 17 17:20:47 1994
From: Le@yabbs
To: bartster@yabbs
Subject: re: Book of Questions: Love&Sex
Date: Thu Mar 17 17:20:47 1994
All I'm going to say is that it ain't easy.
And it don't feel good.
But it's possible.
From outlandr@yabbs Thu Mar 17 20:29:47 1994
From: outlandr@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: Book of Questions: Love&Sex
Date: Thu Mar 17 20:29:47 1994
I agree totally. I don't like pain but it's nice reminder that I'm alive.
s
From JasonLee@yabbs Thu Mar 17 20:44:09 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: Le@yabbs
Subject: re: suiciode
Date: Thu Mar 17 20:44:09 1994
And some people kill themselves because they think it's cool.
Some people think they're poets or atists or something and no one loves
them.
And some people are strong and decide to live.
JasonLee
From Cat@yabbs Thu Mar 17 20:55:21 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: re: suiciode
Date: Thu Mar 17 20:55:21 1994
Yep. :)
From robtelee@yabbs Fri Mar 18 02:30:27 1994
From: robtelee@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: suicide
Date: Fri Mar 18 02:30:27 1994
Then, some people commit suicide in order to relieve a burden on their
families. This is the case in some illnesses. The actor feels that they
are a burden on their loved ones and decide that, for the benefit of all,
they should end their life. They make this decision on their own and fail
to see the consequences of their act. They do not see the pain,
recriminations, and anger that they leave behind.
Especially painful is the question of teen suicide. They see suicide as
another plane of existence. The families are left to deal with the
questions of "why didn't they talk to me," and "what was going through
their head at the time." The teen actor may feel left out, may have had a
failed relationship, anything. They may see it as a way to get attention,
a call for help. They do not see dead as dead.
From Deaska@yabbs Fri Mar 18 10:39:36 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: re: suicide
Date: Fri Mar 18 10:39:36 1994
I know with some teen suicide, its like the only way out of a terrible
existence... like punching out of a burning aircraft, you feel as though
life is at lost anyway, so you have no motivation to continue.
Some of us are fortunate to fail in our attempts, and see the lightof
nother day, then another week... until something pulls us back from the
edge... the others well... we know already.
its not just pain that drives kids over the edge...whether it be physical
or emotional, and some kids may not be seeking to leave an imprint on the
lives of those they leave behind.... they just want to get the screw out
of there. To them, life only gets worse.. so why the hell continue?
To die, and not give a shit about it, that's the call...
Deask'
From robtelee@yabbs Sat Mar 19 04:42:48 1994
From: robtelee@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: suicide
Date: Sat Mar 19 04:42:48 1994
Personally, I just can't see the justification for suicide. Especially
teen suicide. I do agree that your arguement has merit. On investigating
these tragedies, the actor leaves clues that lend credence to your
argument. I just cannot see why they won't seek help of some kind. The
person that ends their life just may have been the one to discover the
cure for AIDS or any number of killer diseases. They may be the one to
make a real difference in this world. I would just like to have more
answers. Can any one else provide some insight ?
As always,
robtelee
From marielau@yabbs Sat Mar 19 07:28:45 1994
From: marielau@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Phd Ideas ?
Date: Sat Mar 19 07:28:45 1994
Hi every body ineed to get ideas for my
Phd which i will be starting next year
my fields are social psychology and
neurobiochemistry any ideas would be greatly
recieved and i will answer to all the replys
you can page me here or on the other base
called FREE ASSOCIATION or you can EMail
me at wnfec@uk.ac.westminster
Cheers
From Deaska@yabbs Sat Mar 19 09:20:58 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: marielau@yabbs
Subject: re: Phd Ideas ?
Date: Sat Mar 19 09:20:58 1994
Hiya!
Your email addie is actually wnfec@westminster.ac.uk
so, hopefully you should get some email *smile*
Do you have any research topics in mind, or are you totally blank in
regards to finding a topic to write your cookbook *warm smile* about?
I reckon there would be heaps of ideas running around on this particular
base. Social Psych and Neurobio.... hehehe wow, that's really
something... maybe I shouldn't have dropped psych after first year.
That earlier stuff on love and chemistry might be relevant? no?
hmmm...
Deask' (having Dest withdrawal symptoms...)
:)
From Le@yabbs Sat Mar 19 09:53:30 1994
From: Le@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: if...
Date: Sat Mar 19 09:53:30 1994
If I read you correctly, your argument is that suicide, and
esp. teen suicide, is a waste of a potentially productive and
happy life. I have to say that in some cases this could be the
case, and the unsuccessful suicide attempts of people who fit
into this category give merit to that argument. But what
about those who have to endure incredible emotional and
psychological pain? Who are we to judge what another human
should go through? Is it enough to say that one day it may get
better? What if it doesn't? I think that people in pain often
end up taking it out on others. I for one can tell you that I
lived in hell for four years because of a mentally disturbed father
who had himself been abused as a child. He committed suicide.
And I can honestly say that my life would have continued to be
a living hell had he lived, and that any potential I had would
have been crushed, just as his was. While I won't say that
his comitting suicide was right or wrong, I will say that in
taking his life, he saved those of his three children.
(Think about it, some people who commit suicide are future
murderers and criminals, can we judge the correctness or incorrectness
of this act by future possibilites?)
From dmonger@yabbs Sat Mar 19 13:44:26 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: re: suicide
Date: Sat Mar 19 13:44:26 1994
In message suicide, robtelee said:
> Personally, I just can't see the justification for suicide. Especially
> teen suicide.
How is the idea of teenage suicide so much harder to understand than
suicide in midlife?
> I just cannot see why they won't seek help of some kind.
I can tell you (from personal experience) that there just doesn't seem
like there is any help. Life looks horrible, and they usually don't see
any way for it to improve. It is a tragic thing when someone takes their
own life, but many times it isn't just a "desperate plea for help."
-peter
From Cat@yabbs Sat Mar 19 14:39:27 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: re: suicide
Date: Sat Mar 19 14:39:27 1994
I question your use of the word "actor". Suicide isn't just some drama
someone puts on to get attention.
If someone wants to be dead rather than living, something must be really
wrong in their lives. Actors are performers, puting on a show for
entertainment purposes, you can hardly use that word to describe someone
who is suicidal. That's kinda cynical, don't you think?
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Mar 20 02:36:31 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: suicide
Date: Sun Mar 20 02:36:31 1994
Yuppers Cat and dmonger, right on the ball...
But whatever way you look at it though, its still a terrible element in
life and society today.
Rob, potential suiciders kinda get narrow minded. Only the lucky ones who
have either the support and guidance of their families, or who just make a
last min correction to their state of mind will live.
But then, there are people who do more damage alive (i.e. Le's situation)
than otherwise... so there's always a good and bad side of it.
I'd rather be alive, cuz I'm pretty frightened that there may be nothing
on the other side... not that it would matter. (but that's my personal
view...so no one please spill any religious stuff on me after)
*sigh*
and I believe there's a future and a purpose for me.
Deaska :)
From Cat@yabbs Mon Mar 21 09:55:55 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: suicide
Date: Mon Mar 21 09:55:55 1994
Yep. "To sleep, perchance to dream, ay there's the rub. For in that sleep
of death what dreams may come whem we have shuffled off this mortal coil
must give us pause." I think the idea of what might be out there when we
die is loads scarier than anything that could happen here, but that's
probably just beacue I have an overactive imagination. The thing that
worries me the most though is the idea that there might not be anything at
all out there after we die. Oh well! :)
I believe there's a future and a purpose and a destiny ;) out there for
you too. :)
P.S. The previous message was deleted because there was a system shut down
warning while I was writing it, so I just deleted it. I should have /qed
it, but oh well. :)
From Deaska@yabbs Mon Mar 21 10:43:00 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: suicide
Date: Mon Mar 21 10:43:00 1994
*grin* you shoulda seen some dreams of mine I've been having over the last
coupla years... darkness, and emptiness... being alone in a void, or a
city... the only soul there... hehehe, that's probly my crazy
imagination, but I sure hope its not like that. We're all going to have to
face it alone oneday in our lives, and we are going to feel just as
conscious as we do feel now.
Perhaps being frightened of death itself is a good sign that you're okay
upstairs *tapping head* i dunno,... cuz heaps of normal ppl aren't afraid
of it. *sigh*
Yuppers Cat *hug* I've learnt my lesson... no more walking down that path
fer me...
Dest *blink*
From robtelee@yabbs Mon Mar 21 23:54:51 1994
From: robtelee@yabbs
To: Le@yabbs
Subject: if...
Date: Mon Mar 21 23:54:51 1994
Good Point...should have known better than to argue with a psych grad
student :) Talk to ya later...
From robtelee@yabbs Mon Mar 21 23:57:55 1994
From: robtelee@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: suicide
Date: Mon Mar 21 23:57:55 1994
I chose the word actor, instead of victim, because I do not see them as
the "victim." In this context, they are doing something, as opposed to
doing nothing. I was using the word actor in a more clinical sense.
From Cat@yabbs Tue Mar 22 10:21:00 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: re: suicide
Date: Tue Mar 22 10:21:00 1994
Ahhh. I see, actor as in one who is carrying out an action. I thought you
were using the word actor as in one who performs on a stage. Well, I guess
we're all actors, in both senses of the word. Ah well! :)
=^^=
From hawke@yabbs Sun Mar 27 06:45:47 1994
From: hawke@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: alone in the dark
Date: Sun Mar 27 06:45:47 1994
being alone is a terrible thing evfen when in a crowd
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Mar 27 08:33:04 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: hawke@yabbs
Subject: alone, but with...
Date: Sun Mar 27 08:33:04 1994
I heard '85 was a good year fer reds... *chuckle*
Cheers and to yer health Hawke...
Deaska
*mirthful grin*
From buzzbomb@yabbs Sun Mar 27 14:31:35 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: new thread
Date: Sun Mar 27 14:31:35 1994
I've been thinking lately (please spare any stupid jokes...) and maybe
it's just me, but does society seem to be getting MUCH too complicated
for its own good? There seems to be a natural balance of activities and
ways that people spend their time that is necessary to keep your
sanity, and that balance seems to still be there, but things are piled
higher and higher on each side of all the axes, so that it's coming
close to collapsing altogether. (did that make any sense?)
to simplify a bit: lets say that one of the axis is between recreation
time and working time. people come up with all these ways to decrease
working time (mostly through technology), so that there will be more
recreation time. but then because of all these new things being invented,
it takes more working time to develop them... and then this turns into an
industry that didn't exist before, which has to maintain a balance of its
own, which takes more working time to complete. And then people figure
out ways to reduce this, and the cycle continues.
so many things are artificial - economy, industry, fashion, many types
of modern entertainment... and they are all interdependent. if people
could just "peel off" all these layers, we could return to a much simpler
way of life, possibly without sacrificing many of the benefits of
technology. As long as the things we discarded were on opposite sides of
the axes, the balance would still be maintained, but we would be one
level closer to a much simpler lifestyle.
if you have any clue as to what i mean, lemme know. this is just an
idea
that i've been throwing around. i have a strange relationship with
technology - i love playing with it and learning about it (i'm a comp
sci major), it fascinates me, but the direction that it seems to be
taking in society just doesn't appeal to me. a strange dilemma!
From Lacey@yabbs Mon Mar 28 02:04:07 1994
From: Lacey@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: re: new thread
Date: Mon Mar 28 02:04:07 1994
Society and technology are what we make them. You have to learn to take
things with a grain of salt because if you don't things will get even more
complicated than they already are. I do however agree with you about the
layers that we as a society have surrounded ourselves with. We have
taken technology for granted and we've learned to depend on other things
to do what used to be part of a job. When there weren't microwaves people
would actually use the stove to cook a meal. When there weren't copiers
carbon paper worked perfectly. When there weren't computers people used
old fashion typewriters to do what they had to do. When there wasn't
e-mail people used the post office or the telephone. When there wasn't
the telephone people used the mail or a messanger. Because we have all
of these things at our disposal, we are becoming lazier and lazier. The
thing about all this is that we don't want to get rid of it or forfget
that it was ever here because then we would be living the life of the
stone ages. We have become too dependant on technology and we need to
realize that or we will keep getting lazier and sooner or later we won't
even be communicating.
You made a very good point. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
--Lacey
From Destiny@yabbs Mon Mar 28 22:32:13 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: wow...
Date: Mon Mar 28 22:32:13 1994
It's so nice to have returned and be flooded with many thoughts from all
of you :) Every single entry made me think, or wonder...I don't really
have a particular thought to share with you all I am afraid, but when I
do, you can be sure that I will post it. Until then, keep on thinking,
dreaming, and sharing...*smile*
-Dest'
From buzzbomb@yabbs Tue Mar 29 09:26:33 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: Lacey@yabbs
Subject: re: new thread
Date: Tue Mar 29 09:26:33 1994
i guess what made me think of that was this article on muds, how people
with bad social skills are using muds, irc and the like (here?) to
learn to communicate... and then what happens when they get out of
the computer lab? i found myself doing this last year, when i realized
that i was totally different online then in person, so i've been
trying to do more "live" stuff. but more and more people seem to be
just living behind a keyboard now, and it's kinda scary. some people,
esp. companies, seem to like this idea of living without ever leaving
your home, but is that really living at all? i don't think any amount
of technology can replace the feeling of being alive i get when i go
camping with a bunch of friends, the most high-tech thing there being
a little coleman stove, or even just going mountain biking or hiking
for a day. and even then a lot of people seem to like that kind of thing
for a while but then "can't wait to get back", but a lot of times i feel
like i'd rather live like that. or maybe somewhere in between. it's
just so much more simple, more real... or maybe i'm just rambling...
later
From JasonLee@yabbs Tue Mar 29 16:54:59 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: re: new thread
Date: Tue Mar 29 16:54:59 1994
I don't really think life is any more complicated now than it ever used to
be. The flow of technology through our lives is basically the same as it
was in about 1920 or so. It's just that the levels are so much higher
that we think things must be more complex and therefore our lives are just
being disturbed by everything.
Personally, I like a complex and confused life. It's much more
interesting and thought-provoking than a simple, peaceful life.
Jason;ee
From Hellion@yabbs Tue Mar 29 19:25:04 1994
From: Hellion@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: re: new thread
Date: Tue Mar 29 19:25:04 1994
I have to agree with you there, a peaceful life is kinda boring. I came from
a small town in Northeast Nebraska (about 1100 people) and find life more
interesting since I have moved to Lincoln, NE I have gotten on to the internet
cheated and left my girlfriend and my life is no longer a dull exsistance
*forgive me they never taught me how to spell* I guess a life full of complex
problems and no solutions is where I want to live *internet is a nice home*
8)->-<
-- Hellion
From Lacey@yabbs Wed Mar 30 03:57:13 1994
From: Lacey@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: re: new thread
Date: Wed Mar 30 03:57:13 1994
I know what you mean. It was a valid observation and a good point.
later, Lacey.
From topi@yabbs Wed Mar 30 08:27:49 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: re: new thread
Date: Wed Mar 30 08:27:49 1994
Hi buzz.. I share some of your attitudes.I've noticed the same thing, and
especially in my own life. I admit, i am not the "best" socially.. and IRC
is a place to run to and hide away from the rest of the world, and yet..
still be a part of the world (as they are sooo many people here.. it must
count for a big chunk of the population :) Personally, I have gained a lot
of support here, have been enabled to speak my view and actually work at
my argumentative skills ( one point i am definetally not good at in real
life.. :( ) I feel I've gained a whole lot of confidence, I know of it
just grows within myself, but it needed to be planted and my IRC friends
(sorry.. internet friends :) have helped a lot. I AM a better person since
coming in contact with the internet, and of course - it is GREAT FUN! :)
Another point, along the lines that you touched upon, is your reference to
the great outdoors. I know or myself, that I appreciate being outside SO
much more nowadays. It is as a result of being cooped up in a small room,
glaring at these little computer screen, that this has come about. But it
HAS come about and that is the point.
(line 12 or = for, that is probably not all the errors.. but..)
A person who IS worried about the confusion between Internet and Real
Life,
-Cath.
From PhbrPhrk@yabbs Wed Mar 30 15:28:54 1994
From: PhbrPhrk@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: stuff that is
Date: Wed Mar 30 15:28:54 1994
Did you ever wonder why they didn't call GNU PNU?
(i.e. Pnu's Not Unix)
Beats me!
From Deaska@yabbs Thu Mar 31 06:57:24 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: new thread
Date: Thu Mar 31 06:57:24 1994
wow... *hug*
jus thought you'd need a hug.. :)
the D'sta
From Cat@yabbs Thu Mar 31 09:19:45 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Hmmm
Date: Thu Mar 31 09:19:45 1994
April Fool's Day and Good Friday fall on the same day this year. Kinda a
weird coincidence. Hmmm. Seems odd to think about. The day Christ died
being April Fool's Day. Kinda makes you wonder. :)
From Destiny@yabbs Thu Mar 31 15:28:47 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: hmmm...
Date: Thu Mar 31 15:28:47 1994
No kidding. You know, I never liked April Fool's day...I always fell for
something stupid and ended up looking like a moron. Of course some people
might say that I don't need any help from April Fool's day to make me look
like a moron...hehehe...nah, I'm not stupid! Really I'm not! :) Anyway,
yes, it is a strange happening, but I don't think there is such a thing as
coincidence...everything happens for a reason, but when we don't know that
reason, we simply tack on the reference "coincidence" so everyone will
know what we are talking about :) Just some random thoughts from me :)
I'm in a weird mood today...*shrug* Happens to the best of us I guess...
:)
-Dest'
From Cat@yabbs Thu Mar 31 15:30:35 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: re: hmmm...
Date: Thu Mar 31 15:30:35 1994
Yep. :)
From Xela@yabbs Thu Mar 31 16:01:38 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: voltaire...
Date: Thu Mar 31 16:01:38 1994
", but I don't think there is such a thing as coincidence...everything
happens for a reason,"
Have you read Candide by Voltaire...funny story, very sarcastic. I
liked the part about the religious dude telling the leper he's leperous
for a reason (i.e. religious reason).
-Alex
From Destiny@yabbs Fri Apr 1 00:45:47 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: Candide
Date: Fri Apr 1 00:45:47 1994
Nope, I haven't read it..maybe I will...played the musical overture though
:) Thanks for the suggestion *smile*
-Dest'
From Cat@yabbs Fri Apr 1 09:23:56 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: re: Candide
Date: Fri Apr 1 09:23:56 1994
In message Candide, Destiny said:
> Nope, I haven't read it..maybe I will...played the musical overture though
Isn't it great? I haven't read the book, but I have seen the musical .
Soundheim I believe. :) Funnny show.
From Xela@yabbs Fri Apr 1 13:47:54 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: good book...
Date: Fri Apr 1 13:47:54 1994
I picked this book up last night and I stayed until 4 in the morning to
finish it... It's called _The Handmaid's Tale_ by Margaret Atwood, and
it's about this woman who is turned into a baby machine by the
totalitarian monotheist State which used to be the United States. Very
weird and enthralling book. Very feminist too, which was a twist from the
other books about totalitiarianism, which take power from the
man's POV... very interesting.
-Alex
From Destiny@yabbs Fri Apr 1 15:10:21 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: *grin*
Date: Fri Apr 1 15:10:21 1994
I think you're right...sounds like it would be one of his :)
-Dest'
From Cat@yabbs Fri Apr 1 19:34:49 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: good book...
Date: Fri Apr 1 19:34:49 1994
I read that last summer...scared the heck out of me (but most books about
totalitarian states do). I didn't understand the ending though. Who won?
Did the revolutionaries? Hmm. The whole idea of forcing women to be
handmaids was really creepy too. Hmmm. Think something like that could
ever happen? God...I hope not, but then again, anything is
possible....esp. these days.
From jujubee@yabbs Fri Apr 1 21:40:29 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: Hmmm
Date: Fri Apr 1 21:40:29 1994
funny you shoul mention that...i was kind of thinking of the same
thing...hmmm...what is this world coming to???
From jujubee@yabbs Fri Apr 1 21:43:29 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: voltaire...
Date: Fri Apr 1 21:43:29 1994
i'm searching the cobwebs of my mind for tht portion
(that) of it...still hazy...did you like it when you read it?
From htoaster@yabbs Fri Apr 1 23:33:36 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: internet addiction
Date: Fri Apr 1 23:33:36 1994
Just wondering what people's reactions are to this article. I'll post mine
following:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 29 Mar 94 12:59:07 EST
Subject: Role-playing Addiction
Washington Post Staff Writer John Schwartz has published a moving and
insightful article entitled, "Game Boy." It explores the life and death of
an eighteen year old man addicted to cyberspace role-playing. I have asked
Mr Schwartz for permission to post the original article in its entirety. For
the time being, here's a brief summary.
<<begin summary>>
Nathaniel Davenport was an unassertive, socially-isolated teenager who did
poorly in high school but had excellent S.A.T. scores. He entered the
University of California at Santa Cruz autumn 92 and quickly became active in
AmberMUSH, a M.U.D. (multi-user dimension) loosely based on the _Amber_
stories of Roger Zelazny. AmberMUSH "features a series of mirrors that you
walk through into different elaborate fictional situations: One is the ruins
of a city; another a rowdy Western town; a third, the smoky darkness of the
"World's End Bar," a cross-dimensional speakeasy. Wherever you go, other
players are there, gathered from around the world to engage in a collective
fantasy; you converse with whoever is in the `room' you are in at the time,
something like a pickup game in basketball."
Nathaniel became a M.U.D. addict. He was asked to leave his university
because he had missed all of his classes while living in AmberMUSH. Back in
Virginia, he continued his addiction through student terminals at George
Mason University, where he would spend entire days interacting with other
role players from around the world.
Nathaniel's persona in AmberMUSH was Sabbath, a beautiful seductress devoid
of empathy for the characters she manipulated. For example, she spent months
seducing another character, only to goad him to his death in a battle with a
more powerful character.
After bitter arguments with his family, Nathaniel agreed to get a job. He
began working at a computer company from 5 a.m. to 1:30 p.m. He incorporated
his new job into his frenetic role-playing life by skimping on sleep. A week
after starting work, he apparently fell asleep at the wheel of his mother's
car and smashed head-on into a truck. He died instantly.
When Nathaniel's father sent out requests for correspondence on the Internet,
addressing the AmberMUSH users his son had spent so much of his life with, he
was astonished at the volume and quality of the responses.
Over time, Tom Davenport came to believe that Nathaniel's interactions were
not futile game-playing or pornographic flirting. "[I]n his quest to better
himself, Nathaniel had also turned to the tool he was most comfortable with:
He was using his character to explore social interactions, to learn to be
funny, charming, direct. `He was using the net,' says Davenport, `to work out
his life.'"
"Contacted via e-mail, AmberMUSH administrator Mark Grundy said the death of
Nathaniel Davenport has made him think hard about players' responsibility to
one another in the on-line society. `The future for human relationships in
the Communication Age seems particularly uncertain,' Grundy wrote. `For me,
the lesson that Tom has taught is that the answers can come, if you look for
them with the right heart.'"
<<end summary>>
This young man, isolated from a local community, unhappy in his own skin,
found happiness as a different person in a different world. The pity is that
he lost touch with his own body's needs.
Like a rat on an endorphin high, poor Nathaniel died from addiction to his
own form of satisfaction. Should we shrug and dismiss his death? "It's his
problem--he was free to act as he chose." Surely, but could anyone in his
cyberspace community have helped avoid this sad end, crushed uselessly at the
age of 18? I wonder if cyberspace role-players will reach out to accept and
support the tangible person behind the electronic persona? Would it have
helped if someone had asked how Nathaniel was doing instead of focusing only
on Sabbath?
As human beings interact electronically, we will be forced to integrate
morality and reason into cyberspace. Cyberspace must not remain a moral
vacuum; common sense must grow to encompass all the ways we now have to touch
other people's lives and alter our own.
Michel E. Kabay, Ph.D., Director of Education, National Computer Security Assn
From htoaster@yabbs Fri Apr 1 23:43:39 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: my reaction
Date: Fri Apr 1 23:43:39 1994
Anyway, the first thing that I thought of when reading that was yabbs. One of
my biggest concerns in running this system is that it becomes easy for people
to see this as so much of an alternate reality that they forget about real life
and stuff. Sometimes I wonder if I am being socially responsible running a
system like this, where I know that some people spend so much time that it
hurts their grades in school, and probably doesn't help in other aspects of
their life either. On the other hand I know that a lot of people have met
very close friends on here (I've met some really great people as well), and
that this wouldn't happen if the system didn't exist.
I guess that I become worried that someone may become so addicted to the type
of computer interaction with people found here and on other systems that they
will loose touch with what is really out there. Computer interaction is so
weird because while it is still a form of communication, like the phone or
parties or whatever, it creates a layer of abstraction that very few other
mediums do. You can present yourself however you want, because it is pretty
likely that no one on the other side knows you. Its easy to change anything,
sex, religion, culture, or even just small things, like presenting yourself
in a little more flirtous way than you normally would (I know that a lot of
people are more open when talking on a computer, myself included, because
it can seem so abstract to think that other people may be on the other side).
But what if people go into it too deep? What causes that to happen (and it
happens a lot. MUDs and IRC and systems like this are becoming banned in a
lot of places because schools are worried about the amount of time spent
behind them). Who's fault is it when it happens? I am being socially
unresonsable running a system like this? If I see that someone is spending
so much time on something like this should I try and see if anything is wrong?
A lot of times I jokingly say "hey, no failing classes because of yabbs," but
it is something that truely bothers me. I guess I wonder what other people
think of these problems.
Originally I was going to post this to the IRC/MUD/bbs base, but people here
seem to be talking in the vein to some degree, so this seemed like a better
place.
alex
From JasonLee@yabbs Sat Apr 2 01:20:45 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: good book...
Date: Sat Apr 2 01:20:45 1994
Xela said:
I picked this book up last night and I stayed until 4 in the morning to
finish it... It's called _The Handmaid's Tale_ by Margaret Atwood, and
it's about this woman who is turned into a baby machine by the
totalitarian monotheist State which used to be the United States. Very
weird and enthralling book. Very feminist too, which was a twist from the
other books about totalitiarianism, which take power from the man's POV...
very interesting.
++++++++++++++++++++++
I think it is made even more scary by how extremely possible that future
is. While 1984 and others show worlds that are strange to our eyes, The
Handmaid's Tale is immediate and familiar, so it's more dangerous.
Oh, I think it's actually supposed to be Canada, not the US. Atwood is
Canadian. The book was also made into a fairly good movie, too.
JasonLee
From JasonLee@yabbs Sat Apr 2 01:23:36 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: internet addiction
Date: Sat Apr 2 01:23:36 1994
I read that article. Nothing in it really surprised me, though. The
whole explanation of the guy's infatuation with the online world seemed,
if not typical, at least easily understandable. The reporter treated the
material fairly, without babying and sensationalizing the subject.
For some reason, though, it just didn't interest me that much. I suppose
I take the life-like atmosphere of the Net for granted. Tragedy occurs
everywhere, so why not here?
JasonLee
From johndeer@yabbs Sat Apr 2 02:16:02 1994
From: johndeer@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: internet addiction
Date: Sat Apr 2 02:16:02 1994
THe article blamed the guy's death on a MUD. it should have been blamed on
his stuipdity of not getting enough sleep..
as for this place, sure, i suppose people can get addicted, and it can
affect them, but so can many other things. arcades, nintendo, music, sex,
wahtever can "waste" peoples' time.. it's not really your responsibility
to cover for people who can't manage their time..
johNDeere
From Le@yabbs Sat Apr 2 10:34:15 1994
From: Le@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: psychologically speaking
Date: Sat Apr 2 10:34:15 1994
Not that I'm a psychology wiz, but I have to ask after reading that
article, where was Nathaniel? What did we really know about him?
We don't know why he was shy and socially isolated. We don't know
what in his background left him vulnerable to the MUDaddiction.
I think to look only at the MUD as the cause of his death is absurb.
The MUD was the symptom, not the disease. While I agree that being
moral and reasonable in cyberspace is a nice ideal, let's face the
fact that as merely another aspect of human existence, why expect it to
be any more perfect. There are a range of personalities on the net
just as in the real world. To expect them to all stick to a moral
code is unrealistic. As for netaddiction in and of itself, it really
has many differenyt levels. I used to spend hours on BBS's, and I'll
admit that my grades might have suffered because of it, but luckily
they didn't. But I told people that BBS's are like my TV, I don't
sit mindnumb in front of a TV for hours every night. If I had not been
BBSing for hours, I seriously doubt that I would have been doing my
homework. The BBS would not have been to blaim. I think the
first question that should be asked if the time on BBS's/MUD's get
out of hand is, "What are you not getting in your real life that
you get here?" Just a thought.
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Apr 2 11:42:30 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Le@yabbs
Subject: re: psychologically speaking
Date: Sat Apr 2 11:42:30 1994
Hmm, yeah, I don't think that I would blame the mud on his death either, but
I think that maybe the fact that he was spending so much time in front of the
system could be a sign that maybe he was having problems. I guess I was
wondering if I (or anyone) sees someone spending so much time on a bbs that
it could be engulfing a huge amount of their time that we should worry about
why they are doing this, etc...
alex
From Xela@yabbs Sat Apr 2 12:54:42 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: re: voltaire...
Date: Sat Apr 2 12:54:42 1994
Yes, it had a cheesy "sunshine"-happy ending, but I still enjoyed the main
satirical premise.
-Alex
From Xela@yabbs Sat Apr 2 13:00:16 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: re: good book...
Date: Sat Apr 2 13:00:16 1994
"Oh, I think it's actually supposed to be Canada, not the US."
The book talked about the President's assasination and the Congress being
machine-gunned. Also, some people were trying to cross the Canadian-US
border, and later, Montreal wasa mentioned as a broadcast station for the
State TV. So I think the US was taken over first, then Canada.
-Alex
From Le@yabbs Sat Apr 2 21:58:20 1994
From: Le@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: should we?
Date: Sat Apr 2 21:58:20 1994
wondering if I (or anyone) sees someone spending so much time on a bbs
that
it could be engulfing a huge amount of their time that we should worry
about
why they are doing this, etc...
Okay, it would seem pretty obvious that someone who spent an
overwhelming amount of time would have reasons for doing so. But should
we worry? If the reasons are destructive, yes I suppose we should
worry. If I decide that I am so unattractive that I can not show my
face in public, and thus only interact through a BBS, I would see that
as a cause for worry. But if I used to spend 8 hours a day watching tv
and now I spend 8 hours a day on yabbs, well that more a trade-off
on how I spend my time. I guess what I am saying is that the motives
are different for different people, and I don't know if we should
pry into other's lives by asking them why they are here so much,
as I personally would find that offensive. But if I felt that I had
built a friendship with someone on a BBS, and I knew that their
reasons for being on one for 8, 10, 15 hours a day were unhealthy,
then I might feel comfortable enough with them to go ahead and discuss
it. But as for judging other people on the basis of how they
spend their time and live their lives, I don't think that's appropriate.
To each his own, as long as he's happy and doesn't mess with me.
From hawke@yabbs Sun Apr 3 06:23:50 1994
From: hawke@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: internet addiction
Date: Sun Apr 3 06:23:50 1994
Damn, that was a hell of an article . if you think about it though it is
really easy to become your character. in any type of role playing game
the character allways has some of its creator in it its the creators way
of expressing something wether it is intentional or not. After all what
better way to try to change something about yourself except by testing it
in a roleplaying situation. the only catch is how far do ya go? and How
do ya know when you have gone to far?
From buzzbomb@yabbs Mon Apr 4 09:49:10 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: speaking of coinkidinks
Date: Mon Apr 4 09:49:10 1994
that's coincidences of course... anyway here (univ of MD) they played
monty python's Life of Brian as the midnite movie this weekend... another
good apolitically-correct choice of holiday entertainment!
From buzzbomb@yabbs Mon Apr 4 09:50:29 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: good book...
Date: Mon Apr 4 09:50:29 1994
Ever read The Stepford Wives? kinda along the same lines; about men taking
power from the woman's point of view
From buzzbomb@yabbs Mon Apr 4 09:54:38 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: my reaction
Date: Mon Apr 4 09:54:38 1994
this is exactly what i was talking about earlier - i read that article in
the washington post, and that's part of what got me thinking. that and a
friend of mine who spent 7+ hours a day mudding last semester and had
a GPA of around 1.2!people just seeme to be addicted to and totally
dependent on technology for everything - it's an incredible tool, but when
your entire life is based on it, i think that's when things start to go
wrong.
From Xela@yabbs Mon Apr 4 11:36:14 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: mudding too much, etc...
Date: Mon Apr 4 11:36:14 1994
Here its very simple, you *can't* abuse your account because you are
charged a lot for using peak time (i.e. business hours) so if you mud 7+
hours a day, you are mudding at 1 or 2 in the morning, in which case you
would be kicked out fast if your schedule revolved around muds (because
some classees grade attendance, etc.).
-Alex
From Cat@yabbs Mon Apr 4 13:15:53 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: mudding too much, etc...
Date: Mon Apr 4 13:15:53 1994
In message mudding too much, etc..., Xela said:
> Here its very simple, you *can't* abuse your account because you are
> charged a lot for using peak time
Hmmm. Sounds like a good idea to me. I'd hate to see my school start to
put restrictions on the Net, but for some people I know that might
actually help. I have a friend who spent three weeks this semester living
on a MUD and only coming out of his room for meals. We were all
concerned, but he snapped out of it after mid-sem grades came out and his
parents saw them. They took his 'puter away. Now he only spends half his
time on the MUD because the labs here close at 12. :)
-Tammie
From JasonLee@yabbs Mon Apr 4 17:44:53 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: mudding too much, etc...
Date: Mon Apr 4 17:44:53 1994
Cat said:
We were all concerned, but he snapped out of it after mid-sem grades came
out and his parents saw them. They took his 'puter away.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
See, I don't like things like that. You're in college, you're supposed to
be an adult, or at least close. It's your decision to screw up your life,
and it makes me mad to see people who have no clue getting messed up.
In particular, these cases convince schools to limit net access, which I
find lame. Oh well.
JasonLee
From Cat@yabbs Mon Apr 4 21:49:32 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: re: mudding too much, etc...
Date: Mon Apr 4 21:49:32 1994
Our school itself doesn't have any set Net limits. Technically, no one is
supposed to be using the cluster computers for MUD's and MUSHes, but no
one enforces this rule I agree though with what you said. Those that are
on MUDs all the time will be able to find ways to beat the system and get
there anyway, and the only people those limits will hurt are the ones
that aren't over-using the system.
IMHO anyway
From Deaska@yabbs Tue Apr 5 00:45:54 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: mudding too much, etc...
Date: Tue Apr 5 00:45:54 1994
absolutely yupperdinks.. .
hehehe, ppl here in swinburne are a bit sicko when it comes to
restrictions... that's why I have an account that no sysop can touch
hehehe, well, no sicko sysop can touch :)
*waving his u3 account in steyrs face* hehehehe :)
btw cat, thanks fer the maple thingamageebobs *big hug*
From dmonger@yabbs Tue Apr 5 02:25:47 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: mudding too much, etc...
Date: Tue Apr 5 02:25:47 1994
or yabbs, right cat :)
-peter
From Cat@yabbs Tue Apr 5 11:14:12 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: ...
Date: Tue Apr 5 11:14:12 1994
In message re: mudding too much, etc..., dmonger said:
> or yabbs, right cat :)
Yeah yeah yeah, ah shuddap. :) You're just as bad as I am so :P
From dmonger@yabbs Tue Apr 5 12:52:54 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: ...
Date: Tue Apr 5 12:52:54 1994
but i'm allowed to work in ALL the clusters :)
-peter
From Cat@yabbs Tue Apr 5 13:55:00 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: ...
Date: Tue Apr 5 13:55:00 1994
Yeah, sure, rub it in. :) Aren't you special? I wish I was as cool as
you. :P
-tammie
From Destiny@yabbs Tue Apr 5 14:57:10 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: hehehe...
Date: Tue Apr 5 14:57:10 1994
you guys.........*shaking head, smiling*
-Dest' :)
From Natalie@yabbs Thu Apr 14 15:20:16 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: boundaries
Date: Thu Apr 14 15:20:16 1994
Question:
Do you all think that people have this urge to name/define/put boundaries
on things in order to better understand that thing or to destroy it? I
ask because I don't like defining what I am and quite frankly, I'm tired
of being labeled as one thing when I may not be all that thing, I may be
part of another too. Golly, that sounded obtuse *grin*
Natalie
From Lacey@yabbs Thu Apr 14 15:34:32 1994
From: Lacey@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Thu Apr 14 15:34:32 1994
Natalie,
For years people have made an effort to try and define themselves to other
people in the hopes that these people would better understand them. What
they failed to realize is it really doesn't matter what other people think
of you because there is no one in this world who is ever going to
understand you. I always let peopele perceive me any way they like
because it all comes down to what I think of myself. There is no law that
says that you have to let people know what you are about because if that
were the caseI would have been in a lot of trouble by now.
Just keep being yourself and let everyone else try and figure you out
instead of explaining what you do and why you do it.
Lacey
From Natalie@yabbs Thu Apr 14 16:26:52 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Lacey@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Thu Apr 14 16:26:52 1994
Lacey:
Hmmmm...maybe I didn't phrase that right...What I was trying to get at wat
the compusion everyone (even myself) has to label and put people in
little boxes... For instance, my family doesn't understand why I want to
be a writer...so they stick me in a box so they don't have to deal with
me. I'd like some insight as to *why* people do that. It's really very
frustrating...
Natalie
From Cat@yabbs Thu Apr 14 20:09:54 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Thu Apr 14 20:09:54 1994
Nat, I agree. Boundaries suck. How can families, or friends or anyone try
to put a label on someoen else, or to try and box someone in...I
personally have no idea who I am myself, so I hardly think anyone else
has the ability to tell me who I am or what I should be....Be careful
around famileis and what they say to you. Usually they mean well, but
sometimes they get so caught up in trying to live through their children,
or whatever, that they lose sight of who their children are, or forget
that they aren't children anymore...sheesh, now I'm confusing me, but
anyhow, the only person that can lable or put boundaries on me is me. :)
My 5 senses. ;)
-tammie
From JasonLee@yabbs Thu Apr 14 22:58:52 1994
From: JasonLee@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Thu Apr 14 22:58:52 1994
In message boundaries, Natalie said:
> Do you all think that people have this urge to name/define/put boundaries
> on things in order to better understand that thing or to destroy it? I
> ask because I don't like defining what I am and quite frankly, I'm tired
> of being labeled as one thing when I may not be all that thing, I may be
> part of another too. Golly, that sounded obtuse *grin*
It's not real great to label people, but it is interesting and helpful to
trry labeling, then examine how and why those labels fail to apply. In that
way, labeling isn't the big evil it's made out to be.
JasonLee
From hawke@yabbs Thu Apr 14 23:10:08 1994
From: hawke@yabbs
To: natalie @yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Thu Apr 14 23:10:08 1994
nat its human nature for peole to label others its there way of trying to
explain something that there minds cant so they try to simpolize and
classify. the majority of times that this is down is on objects where
mass amounts of research can be donwe with little or no consequences, but
when it is done on people then you have problems try not to wory about
it. i have found tha the majority of pople who categorize others are just
to limited in there openminded ness to new things and other people .
that is a boundery placed on people yes. yet i also dont ridicules those
people for being close minded so in the end i havent become a hypocrit
i hope... :)
From dmonger@yabbs Mon Apr 18 11:05:57 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Mon Apr 18 11:05:57 1994
In message re: boundaries, JasonLee said:
> It's not real great to label people, but it is interesting and helpful to
> trry labeling, then examine how and why those labels fail to apply. In that
> way, labeling isn't the big evil it's made out to be.
I find the labels keep falling off. When people start to sweat, the adhesive
doesn't work as well and they just drop. Its kind of depressing sometimes
-peter
From Natalie@yabbs Mon Apr 18 15:32:38 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Mon Apr 18 15:32:38 1994
hehehe you're funny.....(or so the aliens tell me)
My roommate has been converted to their side...both her and the cafe
are now working against me.....
Natalie
From Cat@yabbs Tue Apr 19 10:11:08 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Tue Apr 19 10:11:08 1994
So scare them Nat, really really scare them, then they'll leave you
alone. :) Your voices in my head told me to tell you to tell THEM all
about your voices, and if that doesn't work, play Pilate's scene in JCS
really really loud. :) Hmmm. Roommates...never had one of those. Except
my goldfish, but they don't count...although they'd like to think they
count. <><
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.
.
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:)
Labels libles ladles bibbles bibles riddles, it's all stoooooopid stuff
anywho m'dear! :)
-tammie
From Lacey@yabbs Tue Apr 19 16:13:07 1994
From: Lacey@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Tue Apr 19 16:13:07 1994
Natalie,
Now I see what you meant. My mom used to do the same thing to me when I
told her that I wanted to go to Law school. I think people do these
things because they are being introduced to something that is not familiar
to them. It's their way of not dealing with something new. I used to
think it just ran in my family but I've actually found the same kind of
treatment with some of my professors. It's very frustrating when all you
want is a little support and even your family has reached a point where
they think its something that will blow over so they don't deal with it.
They put you and your ideas in a little box and they hope it will
eventually pass. My friends chalk it up to a generation gap and in some
cases it is and in others its just that some people are afraid of things
that aren't "common" in their own lives.
People just can't help the way that they have always think.
This is one of those cases where you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
Thanks for explaining that a little more for me.
Lacey
From pixy@yabbs Wed Apr 27 21:15:42 1994
From: pixy@yabbs
To: hawke@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Wed Apr 27 21:15:42 1994
labeling is a very left-brained activity. To say that labeling is done
because the mind can't really understand something is misleading. Labeling
is the only way the left hemisphere of the brain can understand anything
at all. YOu see, the left brain thinks in a very linear fashion. lines of
hierarchy, grouping many thisgs with some similarity into one heading,
symbolic understandings are all the products of the left brain. This
explains why language is handled by the left brain. it also explains why
the left brained have so much trouble drwing--when you try to draw someone
using your left brain, you come out with little better than a stick
figure.
So, labeling and classification are not at all wrong--in fact they
are very natural. But like Jasonlee said, you have to examine your
labeling system to understand how you see the world and maybe how others
see the world. But also you should take the right brain approach to the
world everyonce and a while in order to check the power of the left brain.
pixy
From pixy@yabbs Wed Apr 27 21:21:40 1994
From: pixy@yabbs
To: Lacey@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Wed Apr 27 21:21:40 1994
As I alreay told hawke, you can't control the way the mind works--and you
shouldn't even feel that its wrong(Why fell guilt for that beyond your
control?). however, sound like instead of changing their method of
thought--an impossible eneavor--they should try to make an inquiry into
the actual thoughts themselves--theis is extremely difficult for most, but
at least it isnt totally impossible
pixy
From hawke@yabbs Wed Apr 27 21:45:29 1994
From: hawke@yabbs
To: pixy@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Wed Apr 27 21:45:29 1994
thanks for the input pixy i will have to look at it more closely seeing
i am at work right now but i wold like to discuss this more with you once
again thanks for the input
hawke
From buzzbomb@yabbs Fri Apr 29 09:23:58 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: pixy@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Fri Apr 29 09:23:58 1994
I don't really agree with that... that people shouldn't try to change
their method of thought. what if someone is extremely prejudiced, to
the point that it's not just the occasional racist/sexist thought, but
that their whole way of thinking was based on those ideas? Are you
saying that if that's because a person was raised that way that they
shouldn't feel guilty about it and try to change it, just because it's
ingrained in them and they can't help it? I know plenty of people that
come from very racist families thathave managed to overcome these
tendencies, even though they've been raised with them from day one.
the reason people shouldn't label other people is because everyone's
so different! there's a lot of people that seem to fit right into
some stereotype at first, but as you get to know them they really don't.
maybe they just act like they do on the surface to fit into a group, i
don't know. But people are too complex to really fit into a labeled
group. if you're gonna label someone at least get to know them first.
From pixy@yabbs Fri Apr 29 11:21:29 1994
From: pixy@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Fri Apr 29 11:21:29 1994
In message re: boundaries, buzzbomb said:
> I don't really agree with that... that people shouldn't try to change
> their method of thought. what if someone is extremely prejudiced, to
> the point that it's not just the occasional racist/sexist thought, but
> that their whole way of thinking was based on those ideas? Are you
> saying that if that's because a person was raised that way that they
> shouldn't feel guilty about it and try to change it, just because it's
> ingrained in them and they can't help it? I know plenty of people that
> come from very racist families thathave managed to overcome these
oh, but you see, we have a miscommunication. when i say the way the mind
thinks, i'm toaling abou the actual physical functioning of the brain. The
mechanism of the left brain makes it label and classify. for
clarification, let me say that the way it classifies and labels is
changeable--certainly--but the fact that it does label and classify is
unchangeable. people should not feel bad about the fact they label, what
labels they give and the logic behind them.
later, pixy
From buzzbomb@yabbs Tue May 3 09:08:51 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: pixy@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Tue May 3 09:08:51 1994
i see... i guess you're right, people automatically put labels on
others, but i also thing that with a bit of practice and open-
mindedness you can overcome them. like you might unconsciously
label someone when you meet them, but then still keep an open
mind and make an effort to really get to know the persno, not just
dismiss them based on your labeling from that first impression.
From Cat@yabbs Tue May 3 10:56:55 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Tue May 3 10:56:55 1994
people are like canned food. if you remove all
the labels on canned food, you have no idea what you're going to eat
until you open the can...makes for much more interesting eating.
and forces you to look beyond outer appearences. :)
-tammie
From pixy@yabbs Tue May 3 12:18:04 1994
From: pixy@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Tue May 3 12:18:04 1994
In message re: boundaries, buzzbomb said:
> i see... i guess you're right, people automatically put labels on
> others, but i also thing that with a bit of practice and open-
> mindedness you can overcome them. like you might unconsciously
> label someone when you meet them, but then still keep an open
> mind and make an effort to really get to know the persno, not just
> dismiss them based on your labeling from that first impression.
perhaps. i'll have to think about that a bit.
pixy
From pixy@yabbs Tue May 3 12:19:43 1994
From: pixy@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Tue May 3 12:19:43 1994
In message re: boundaries, Cat said:
> people are like canned food. if you remove all
> the labels on canned food, you have no idea what you're going to eat
> until you open the can...makes for much more interesting eating.
> and forces you to look beyond outer appearences. :)
>
that's kinda disgusting with the cat food and all. Do you really eat cat food?
*grin and a chuckle*
pixy
From Cat@yabbs Tue May 3 13:41:47 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: pixy@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Tue May 3 13:41:47 1994
In message re: boundaries, pixy said:
> that's kinda disgusting with the cat food and all. Do you really eat cat food?
> *grin and a chuckle*
> pixy
Do you eat fairy dust or pixy stixs?
No, i don't eat cat food. *sigh* i try to make a profound statement and
all you do is poke fun at it and make cat food jokes. :) ah well!
-tammie
From Destiny@yabbs Wed May 4 09:30:43 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: "canned food"
Date: Wed May 4 09:30:43 1994
I liked your analogy Cat :)
-Dest'
From Cat@yabbs Wed May 4 13:18:45 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: re: "canned food"
Date: Wed May 4 13:18:45 1994
thanks much dest, at least somebody got it :) you know me and my
analogies ;)
From pixy@yabbs Wed May 4 20:30:42 1994
From: pixy@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Wed May 4 20:30:42 1994
In message re: boundaries, Cat said:
> Do you eat fairy dust or pixy stixs?
> No, i don't eat cat food. *sigh* i try to make a profound statement and
> all you do is poke fun at it and make cat food jokes. :) ah well!
Geee wiz, dad. aw come on; i didn't mean any harm.
..oh, ward, go easy on the beaver.
No, i don't eat pixy stixs, but i do sniff them for energy--i also
listen to the pixies alot, hence the name. but how do you expect to make z
profound statement with a catfood metaphor, anyway?
pixy
From Deaska@yabbs Thu May 5 11:00:59 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: pixy@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Thu May 5 11:00:59 1994
ppl are kinda like milk cartons too...
some of them spill and make a mess, some of them turn sour, some of them
are ice cold, and some of them are just delicious ;)
and the pleasure comes not from reading the outside, but from drinking
whats within...
*chuckle* couldn't help myself *grin*
Deaska
From Cat@yabbs Thu May 5 11:38:40 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: pixy@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Thu May 5 11:38:40 1994
In message re: boundaries, pixy said:
> No, i don't eat pixy stixs, but i do sniff them for energy--i also
> listen to the pixies alot, hence the name. but how do you expect to make z
> profound statement with a catfood metaphor, anyway?
> pixy
I have a friend that sniffs pixy stixs. Hmmmmm seems to me that would
burn your nose. He only did it in HS to try to get the pricipal to thing
he was sniffing something else. used to grind up white smarties and do
the same thing.
I didn't even mention cat food in that post...just canned food, and
Dest liked it anyway . :)
-tammie =^^=
From Destiny@yabbs Thu May 5 16:45:14 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: pixy stix sniffing
Date: Thu May 5 16:45:14 1994
Where the heck did you go to school Cat?!?!?! :)
-Dest'
From Bastion@yabbs Thu May 5 20:25:32 1994
From: Bastion@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: car 52... where are you?
Date: Thu May 5 20:25:32 1994
52 to dispatch....over
go ahead 52...
go away dispatch..
bite my genital unit and swallow my load...dispatch
now for the
main
event....
BASTION ARIE TRENFIELD PRESENTS SOMETHING THAT'S COOL....
PRE-TRIAL DIVERSION THE STORY OF TWISTED YOUTH AND A TWISTED LIFE OF
ENDLESS STRIFE AND ALL THAT OTHER HAPPY SHIT...
KIRKLAND THE TWISTED RAPIDLY DECENDING DEMI-god
WE STARTED OUT SO INNOCENT AND SMALL
WE ENDED UP FACING FIVE YEARS AND TEN THOUSAND
WHERE DID WE GO WRONG...MASTER (kirkland)
ALL THE ELABORATE PLOTS...TWISTING SEETHING AND FALLING IN THE RAPID
UNDERTOW OF PRE-TRIAL DIVERSION...
TAKE OVER THE WORLD ONE THOUGHT AT A TIME...
USE AND ABUSE LEAD THEM ASTRAY...
FOLLOW OR WALLOW IN THE TWISTED RECOURSE OF COMMON LIFE...
I SHALL LEAD THEE ALL ON TO GREAT THINGS.... (OR SOMETHING I GUESS)
WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THOSE FOUR TWISTED YOUTH WHO BRIBED AND BULLSHITTED
THROUGH COLLEGE ENGLISH CLASS FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T SEE THE TRUTH OF REALITY
CONFORMITY CRUSHES THE SOUL OF EVERY MAN SOCIETY CRUSHES THE HOPES AND
DREAMS OF COMMON MAN (ONLY IF THESE DREAMS AND HOPES STEP ON A FEW
important TOES ON THE WAY) SO YOU CAN BE COOL ONLY IF YOU CONFORM...
CAPITALISM IS THE MOST CONTROLLING OF POLITIC MAJORITY RULES AND MINORITY
MUST SEETH IN THE TWISTING UNDERCURRENTS OF THE "RULING CLASS" kirkland WHO
IS THIS RULING CLASS I NEED TO JOIN THEM SO I CAN BECOME POWERFUL AND
RICH...INSTEAD OF FIGHTING THEM AND BEING PUSHED BACK DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF
THE CHURNNING EVERCHANGING MAZE OF LIFE love AND POWER!!!
I WANT THIS POWER!!! kirkland YOU HAVE ONLY LEAD US IN A TWISTED CIRCLE
BACK TO THE BOTTOM OF SOCIETY... FROM PSUEDO-SOCIETY WARRIORS TO COMMON
CRIMINAL(S) I REALIZE THAT THIS WAS YOUR PLAN THE WHOLE TIME BUT AT LEAST
WE COULD HAVE TAKEN THE sCeNiC ROUTE TO FAILURE...
IN MY (BASTION AERIE TRENTFIELD) MIND AND MY VERY DEPLEATED SOUL IT IS MY
FEELING THAT THIS DESTRUCTION OF OUR "master plan to take over the world"
WAS DESTROYED BY THE WANTON GREED AND EXPLICIT DEMAND OF love? YOU KIRKLAND
FELL VICTIM TO THE THING THAT WE FOUGHT AND WE ALL FOLLOWED HAPPILY TO OUR
(SELF) DESTRUCTIONTHE GREED AND SELF RITEOUSNESS OF SOMEONE TO WHOM YOU ARE
SUPPOSSEDLY VERY close... YOU KNOW ME I WAS NEVER ONE TO MENTION NAMES ONE
THE RECORD... BUT OFF THE RECORD WE ALL THINK (tam-ra)
WELL ALL YOU POOR SOULS KEEP PLODDING ALLONG THE TRAIL OF LIFE AND love I
HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT OF POWER AND RICHES BUT NEXT TIME I'LL NOT BE WEARING
THE BLACK SUNGLASSES OF ILLEGAL PLIGHTS I SHALL BASK IN THE LIGHT AND WE
ALL SHALL BE GREAT OR AT LEAST HONEST TO OURSELVES AND TO SOCIETY
NOW COME ALL YE AND FOLLOW ME, BASTION AERIE TRENTFIELD ON THE LONG
STRAIGHT ROAD TO GLORY AND POWER AND love... (IT WILL TAKE 5 YEARS BUT AT
LEAST I WILL HAVE AN EDUCATION IN THE COURSE OF THE MAJORITY AND SOMETHING
MORE THAN A PRISION CELL AND A ROOMIE NAMED "BUBBA" TO SHOW FOR ALL MY
EFFORTS)
KIRKLAND THIS IS NOT TO SLAM YOU OR CAUSE ANY HARD EMOTION BUT I THINK IT
IS TIME THAT YOU WAKE UP AND SEE THE LIGHT
WHY DO YOU THINK THEY CALL IS THE "SLAMMER".....KIRKLAND?????
TRUELY AND STRAIGHTLY FROM THE HEART OF MY SOUL
BASTION AERIE TRENTFIELD....8TH
From Cat@yabbs Fri May 6 09:47:10 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: re: pixy stix sniffing
Date: Fri May 6 09:47:10 1994
In message pixy stix sniffingx, Destiny said:
> Where the heck did you go to school Cat?!?!?! :)
> -Dest'
I went to Burlington High School....very weird place, principal looked
and acted like Mr. Rogers and the kids were well.....there is nothing in
the world like a Vermont redneck. Very dangerous. :) But all in all it
was an ok place, had a great drama and music dept, and watching people
stiff pixy stixs and smatries was the best entertainment to be found in
the cafe at lunch time-this is VT remember, what else IS there to do for
kicks? ;)
-tammie
(sorry it's not a poem :) )
From pixy@yabbs Fri May 6 19:50:38 1994
From: pixy@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Fri May 6 19:50:38 1994
i wonder... what kinda milk my life is...
pixy
From pnovak@yabbs Fri May 6 23:21:38 1994
From: pnovak@yabbs
To: sexpert@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Fri May 6 23:21:38 1994
Hi:
beeped you, but I think you left.
If I don't get back on tonight (shleepy) will try tomorrow.
Sweet dreams,
Peter.
From topi@yabbs Sat May 7 07:59:13 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: boundaries
Date: Sat May 7 07:59:13 1994
awwww.. that's sooo sweet. :) I loved that.
-Cath.
From Deaska@yabbs Sun May 8 03:17:50 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: milk
Date: Sun May 8 03:17:50 1994
aw gees *small smile*
oh.. an' pix :) from what I've read on here.. ya got lotsa flav :)
cheers all :)
Deaska
From buzzbomb@yabbs Sun May 8 12:54:07 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: milk cartons...hmm...
Date: Sun May 8 12:54:07 1994
i was thinking more like CD's... you can find one with a really cool
looking cover, maybe the best damn artwork you've ever seen... but then
you get home and listen to it and the musics just as dull and boring
as .... well just really dull and boring. and then someone shows you
this other CD from a band with a stupid name and maybe a boring
cover (remember the second incarnation of ritual de lo habitual? plain
white...) and then you hear the coolest, most intense music you;ve
ever heard on it... hmmm... did that one make any sense?
what do you think of strawberry milk?
From pnovak@yabbs Sun May 8 13:38:47 1994
From: pnovak@yabbs
To: bastion@yabbs
Subject: re:never read it
Date: Sun May 8 13:38:47 1994
Hey, thanx for showing me why pple say turn down the
volume!
pn
From Deaska@yabbs Sun May 8 18:36:27 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: CD's an' milk
Date: Sun May 8 18:36:27 1994
well.. yeah, I can go with the CD one too :)
strawberry milk? *licking his lips* need I say more?
*grin*
-Deask'
From pixy@yabbs Sun May 8 21:29:20 1994
From: pixy@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: milk
Date: Sun May 8 21:29:20 1994
In message milk, Deaska said:
> oh.. an' pix :) from what I've read on here.. ya got lotsa flav :)
thankyouverymuch:)
pixy
From Cat@yabbs Wed May 11 13:37:42 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: CD's an' milk
Date: Wed May 11 13:37:42 1994
In message CD's an' milk , Deaska said:
> strawberry milk? *licking his lips* need I say more?
But where does strawberry milk come from? Do they use real strawberries,
or just that nasty sweet syrup stuff that comes in a squeeze bottle? Or
do they milk strawberries/ But how does one go about milking a
strawberry? And do strawberries give milk? I thought they gave juice.
just wonderin',
tammie
From Destiny@yabbs Wed May 11 20:28:13 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: hahahaha
Date: Wed May 11 20:28:13 1994
Cat-
You have got to be one of the most amusing people I have ever met :)
Gotta love ya :) *hug* Hey, I finally found my book of Love and Sex
Questions while I was cleaning my room and packing, so I thought I would
post a question for you guys to ponder :) Enjoy :)
#207: Most people play games in their relationships, yet most people
claim they don't. What games do you now play, and what games that you
used to play have you given up?
I thought the game aspect was appropriate, seeing as how this is Mind
GAMES :)
-Dest'
From Cat@yabbs Sun May 22 17:14:53 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Destiny@yabbs
Subject: re: hahahaha
Date: Sun May 22 17:14:53 1994
In message hahahaha, Destiny said:
> Cat-
> You have got to be one of the most amusing people I have ever met :)
> post a question for you guys to ponder :) Enjoy :)
Awww, thanks much dear. I try. ;)
>
> #207: Most people play games in their relationships, yet most people
> claim they don't. What games do you now play, and what games that you
> used to play have you given up?
>
I play that i'm a sweet nice little girl, when really i'm just a wanton
slut looking for fufillment. ;)
-tammie
From ducky@yabbs Sun May 22 20:23:31 1994
From: ducky@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: hahahaha
Date: Sun May 22 20:23:31 1994
In message re: hahahaha, Cat said:
> I play that i'm a sweet nice little girl, when really i'm just a wanton
> slut looking for fufillment. ;)
uh huh. . .thought that little smiley would hide the truth huh? some of us
are on to your true nature. . . ;)
-k
From Natalie@yabbs Sun May 22 21:07:02 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: hahahaha
Date: Sun May 22 21:07:02 1994
heheheh
I KNEW IT!!!!!
From robtelee@yabbs Tue May 24 02:05:51 1994
From: robtelee@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: question ?
Date: Tue May 24 02:05:51 1994
This may be a strange time to ask, but could i get some feedback regarding
the "poetry and creative writing base?" How does everyone feel by putting
your feelings on this board ? Don't you feel that you are opening
yourselves open when you allow others to read and criticize your work. I
have felt the urge to place things i have written on this board, but have
refrained because of fear of rejection.
I would be interested in finding out how one comes to the decision to post
your material on that board.
Thank You in advance,
I remain
Your Obd'nt Sv'nt
robtelee
From Natalie@yabbs Tue May 24 02:33:12 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: re: question ?
Date: Tue May 24 02:33:12 1994
i like constructive criticism. i can handle just about anything when it
comes to my writing. if i get upset by a comment, then i
haven't distanced myself enough from my (dare I say it? yes I do) art.
Eventually, we all have to let go of what we create, and I prefer to do it
here, where I at least know most of the ppl who read the poetry base, as
opposed to going to a writer's group where I don't know or trust anyone.
As long as it's not an attack on ME, I can take it.
that's what I think anyhow....
Natalie
From laelth@yabbs Tue May 24 03:25:35 1994
From: laelth@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: question ?
Date: Tue May 24 03:25:35 1994
Nothing personal, but most of the "criticism" that I've seen on the poetry
board has been more like what I would call "personal response." And this
is O.K. Writers want and need support; this board will give it to you,
but I wouldn't call it "criticism," constructive or otherwise.
-laelth
From Natalie@yabbs Tue May 24 11:57:06 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: laelth@yabbs
Subject: re: question ?
Date: Tue May 24 11:57:06 1994
i agree that a lot of the responses on the poetry board have been
personal, but there haven't been any personal attacks. That I've gotten
before, and I really don't like it when my work gets all mixed up with who
I am. that's now how it should be. Of course, this isn't a perfect
world, so there'll always be personal attacks. Oh well. I'll live. :)
natalie
From hawke@yabbs Wed May 25 03:26:37 1994
From: hawke@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: hallo.....again
Date: Wed May 25 03:26:37 1994
greetings oh most wonderfull yabbs family. for those of you who actually
notticed i havent been around for awhile had to go to atsugi japan but i
am now back to torment those who know me and those 2who dont hehehehe
laters
your obedient servant
hawke
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Wed May 25 08:08:05 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: hawke@yabbs
Subject: re: hallo.....again
Date: Wed May 25 08:08:05 1994
Must be nice, going to Japan and all. Well welcome back
and thanx for the warning, now can batten down the hatches.
NJD
From Steyr@yabbs Wed May 25 09:17:17 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: Postong to Poetry
Date: Wed May 25 09:17:17 1994
Most people are a little shy about letting others see their work. Fear of
rejection is blamed mostly. But exactly what IS rejection ? Does it mean
someone doesn't like your work ? Well whoopy doo ! You can't please
everyone. What does it really matter if you get a couple of bad comments
on it. Most people here are polite enough that if they think it is utter
shit they will just shut up, unless they wish to give some constructive
criticism, which is not a bad thing. It's not likely that anyone is gonna
laugh and think you're a dickhead (or if they do they're not likely to say
so). Even if you post something which ppl don't think is great, atleast
you had the guts to do so. That earns a little respect in my book.
So lets cut the "I'm scared of rejection" crap. Particularly on Yabbs,
where you don't actually have to face the critics, it's NOT going to ruin
your reputation/life. The worst case scenario is not that bad. So lets
see what you have to post then ... I for one would be interested.
- Steyr
From Badger01@yabbs Wed May 25 11:47:14 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: Postong to Poetry
Date: Wed May 25 11:47:14 1994
I personally, as a writer/poet/really big guy who looks insane, liketo go
to peopen events and just read my work. YTou'd be amazed how intimidation
can keep the mean crap away.
Matt Rossi
From Badger01@yabbs Wed May 25 11:50:16 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: I'm dualistic
Date: Wed May 25 11:50:16 1994
Well, that went badly. The thing went nuts on me.
This whole network at RWU just doesn't work.
I hate this.
But I don't mind criticism. As far as I'm concerned, let them hit.
They can't say anything I haven'already thought about my work.
From Natalie@yabbs Wed May 25 12:47:45 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: Postong to Poetry
Date: Wed May 25 12:47:45 1994
but, some of us are just writer/poet ppl who look insane. i can't
intimidate anyone but myself. Well, I did used to read my work at a
poetry reading type thing last fall, but I knew everyone and everyone read
stuff. That was cool. but i couldn't walk into a room full of ppl i
don't know and read my stuff. i think i'd rather die first....
natalie
From Badger01@yabbs Wed May 25 12:58:40 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: Postong to Poetry
Date: Wed May 25 12:58:40 1994
Naah, you'd be okay.
But I think that open reading and slams are a great way to blow off some
steam, if the situation is one you feel comfortable. If not, than just
writing and reading are enough, I guess. The important thing is the work.
Badger
Matthew Rossi
Der Aberglaude ist die Posie der stille.
--Goethe, Spruche in Prosa
From hawke@yabbs Sun May 29 18:51:00 1994
From: hawke@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Sun May 29 18:51:00 1994
to all who care i will be off of yabbs for the next couple of days do to
some things i have been deeling with. a big thanks to robtelee and
bluemax for all your help thanks guys and also a big thanks to whoever my
little mind might have forgotten that has helped. i shall see you all
when i get back. keep yabbsing
From Deaska@yabbs Mon May 30 09:48:53 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: hawke@yabbs
Subject: re: <no title>
Date: Mon May 30 09:48:53 1994
take care duder :)
D'
From Cat@yabbs Mon May 30 21:50:25 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: just a question
Date: Mon May 30 21:50:25 1994
i wonder...is there anything in the realm of human
relationships/interactions/confrontations etc that doesn't classify as a
mind game?
-tammie
From pixy@yabbs Tue May 31 17:03:46 1994
From: pixy@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: just a question
Date: Tue May 31 17:03:46 1994
In message just a question, Cat said:
> i wonder...is there anything in the realm of human
> relationships/interactions/confrontations etc that doesn't classify as a
> mind game?
Yes. College; it has nothing to do with the mind at all
pixy
From Cat@yabbs Tue May 31 17:30:39 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: pixy@yabbs
Subject: re: just a question
Date: Tue May 31 17:30:39 1994
blah that's not what i meant. :) but good point all the same.
From Deaska@yabbs Tue May 31 22:07:51 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: just a question
Date: Tue May 31 22:07:51 1994
:puts a hugs and mirth bomb under Cat's seat... "tick... tick
:)
From Cat@yabbs Tue May 31 23:11:44 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: just a question
Date: Tue May 31 23:11:44 1994
:) haha fuuuuny rich. :) *sigh* no one got it so i give up. Anyhow thatnks
sooo much for the tim tams. i loved them and so did my friend sarah, and
tonya and mom and dad and the next door neighbors. they're all gone now :(
but they were teeeerific while they lasted. *grin*
thanks again :)
-tammie
From Deaska@yabbs Wed Jun 1 09:42:18 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: tim tams
Date: Wed Jun 1 09:42:18 1994
did you get any to eat? *hug*
D'
From Cat@yabbs Wed Jun 1 10:07:33 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: yuppers. about 3 :)
Date: Wed Jun 1 10:07:33 1994
thanks again
-me
From Cat@yabbs Thu Jun 2 13:50:52 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Thu Jun 2 13:50:52 1994
Do you think there really is a heaven and a hell? i was thinking about
that and wondering. And if there is a heaven, would it be such a great
place to get into? I mean if everyone was good all the time, and heaven
lasts for eternity, wouldn't thinks get rather dull?
also, different religions have different gods and names fro their
gods...do you think all these gods are separate, different entities, or
just one universal god with many different names?
the one thing that bothers me the most about my church is that the people
there believe that the trinity is the only god and religion to believe in
ad that everyone else is wrong and going to hell...but suppose it turns
out that they were worshipping the wrong god all the time and instead of
heaven wind up someplace very unpleasant.
i myself, i believe in some god, but not in church. the way i've always
looked at it is if i believe in god and when i die i find out there's not
a god, i'm no worse off. but if i don't believe in god and find out when
i die that there is one....
also, what do you think owuld be better/worse, to die and end up in
whatever heaven/ninvana/utopia etc, or to keep being reincarnated.
i personally can't imagine any place or any life that could be better or
worse than this one.
just wondering and thinking out loud,
tammie
From niche@yabbs Thu Jun 2 19:28:44 1994
From: niche@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: philosopgy
Date: Thu Jun 2 19:28:44 1994
I don't think that believing that there is some being/force greater than
us is that difficult. I do however believe that too many churches have
become corrupted in subtle ways, looking fro power permanance and most of
all the almighty $$$. Look at how a schism is again forming between the
Anglican and Roman Catholic Churches, and importantly within the RC over
whether women can be ordeined. And how many of the original founders of
various religions would be horrified over religious WARS fought in their
name... God is great, humans are real flawed.
.
(but if i really wanted wealth, I'd start my own ministry ;) like
LRHubbard or the Bakkers)
,
as far as heaven or reincarnation: it depends on a lot. Is heaven someone
else's idea of it or mine? Harps and cloud-sitting would get real boring
within an eon. But reincarnation also has its problems, like where do arll
the extra souls to make 5B people come from? or are there fake people?
...this hubris led to Hitler and the KKK. Of the tow, i'd prefer heaven,
as
even my favorite shows are boring eventually. Can you imagine going
through potty training hundreds of times???
Niche
From Deaska@yabbs Fri Jun 3 01:55:29 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: heaven/hell
Date: Fri Jun 3 01:55:29 1994
hmmm.. I dunno cat.. I'd like to think there was... a heaven that is...
*chuckle*
but atleast I do know there's always a Destiny...
sorry.. couldn't help it, I'm having serious withdrawals here...
*grin* *hugs* catchya tam :)
From Cat@yabbs Fri Jun 3 09:18:09 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: destiny
Date: Fri Jun 3 09:18:09 1994
do you think that fate/destiny (no pun intended) controls our lives or do we?
cassius said once "the fault dear brutus is not in the stars but
ourselves as we are underlings"
is everything that happens to a person just a random coincidence, or do
we have some say in the matter?
-tammie
From buzzbomb@yabbs Fri Jun 3 09:45:47 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: destiny
Date: Fri Jun 3 09:45:47 1994
interesting questions...! the way i see it, most religions are more
political organizations than religious. i mean, they all (or most) do a
lot of good for society (soup kithens, social support, etc...) but i think
they sorta use "God" as a way to pull in people that normally wouldn't
be involved. almost like brainwashing, but to a good end. except in the
case of those evangelists that just have people send money to them!
personally, i think there is some "higher power", probably some
combination of all the other religions, both mono- and polytheistic ones.
but i don't really believe in a speceific idea of god or religion.
and if that made any sense you're probably just as warped as me....
...going to hell in a yellow submarine, a yellow submarine...:)
From PanPan@yabbs Fri Jun 3 11:23:55 1994
From: PanPan@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: Apocalypse (sp?)
Date: Fri Jun 3 11:23:55 1994
Well, I'm not a religious man, so don't quote me on this one, but the
recent developments in the world socioeconomic/sociopolitical situation
are (according to a local minister I heard on the radio) unfolding as
prophesized in Revelations: The coming together of the world powers, the
abolition of currency (interac direct-payment), a sudden increase in
earthquakes (there has been an almost geometric increase over the last 20
years), and other stuff (I don't remember it all). Also, the end is
supposed to occur at an apparent time of prosperity, somewhere around the
year 2000. Also, Nostradamus predicted that the end of the world would
come after a 7-year long war, so if the shit hits the fan and all hell
breaks loose (pun DEFINITELY intended :))) ), we all have 7 years to shop
around at ALL religions, praying like crazy in order to repent in all
forms of worship. If we do that, we'll be safe!
Agnostically yours,
PanPan
From Deaska@yabbs Sat Jun 4 02:33:20 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: hmmmmm
Date: Sat Jun 4 02:33:20 1994
Okay.. here we go...
: do you think that fate/destiny (no pun intended) controls our lives or
do we?
: is everything that happens to a person just a random coincidence, or do
: we have some say in the matter?
: -tammie
this is one of my theories.. which I can go on and on and on and on and on
and on and on.. you get the picture :)
#1 Predeterminism
There are those who live their lives by the script, and those who rip that
script apart, burn it, and shoot the director :)
But how do we know that we are gripping the controls of our lives, defying
the the perhaps.. and I stress that word "PERHAPS", predetermined way of
living our lives. Maybe it involves us making a high level state of
awareness decision in what we do.. almost to the level of psychosis..
maybe... I don't know... who will ever know.. and those who say they know,
whether they be religious, or government, or any other form of agency are
just bullshitting, or bullshitting themselves too in the process of BS
others...
#2 Randomness...
Hoy Boy.. this one's kewl..
So.. its like we're all flying by the seat of our pants.. well.. methinx
I'm flying with my pants at my ankles on this one hehehehe...um... same
point of view.. sometimes we have control... other times we're butt naked
as far as power is concerned. Ultimately we can never know... an' anyone
who says otherwise needs brain surgery.
But its okay to wonder an' guess, jus don' say "THIS IS WHY..." cuz ya
wrong :)
(human beans don' have the brains to find the truth of these sortsa stuff
out... is there a god, or a heaven etc... we cannot possibly know.. all we
can do is speculate... an' those who yell in my face, "Jesus loves me and
told me everything" needs to be checked up.
Maybe I'm too sceptical for my own good...
Rich... :)
End of the world???? oh no.. I gotta run to CT an' get
horizontal!!!!!!!!!!
*hug* catchya soon tam :)
From Deaska@yabbs Sat Jun 4 02:42:56 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: ouch
Date: Sat Jun 4 02:42:56 1994
Her's jus a thought....
What would guys think about sex, if when they ejaculate, they would
weaken, and die like bees which had jus released a sting?
*chuckle*
inspiration? Natalie's Technophilia :) :)
From Natalie@yabbs Sat Jun 4 02:45:06 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: hmmmmm
Date: Sat Jun 4 02:45:06 1994
it's the end of the world as we know it and i feel fine
hehehe
natalie
From Natalie@yabbs Sat Jun 4 02:45:39 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: ouch
Date: Sat Jun 4 02:45:39 1994
gee...my poem inspired thatthought? eek!
*hugs*
natalie
From Deaska@yabbs Sat Jun 4 03:04:40 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: ouch
Date: Sat Jun 4 03:04:40 1994
hehehehe *chuckle* you know it :)
*hug* later :)
D'
From Albino@yabbs Sat Jun 4 03:22:15 1994
From: Albino@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: <no title>
Date: Sat Jun 4 03:22:15 1994
It appears you unda a philosophy rock there. Let me help you out. All
der is fer sure is da bugs that will eat yer guts and/or the flame
charcoal broil they ( yer family/friends ) bring you tu inorder to stick
yu in a jar to display yer most basic carbon form.
Did I help?
From ratshade@yabbs Sat Jun 4 21:58:47 1994
From: ratshade@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: just a question
Date: Sat Jun 4 21:58:47 1994
>i wonder...is there anything in the realm of human
>relationships/interactions/confrontations etc that doesn't classify as a
>mind game?
>-tammie
Yes. Technically speaking, there are 4 orders of social behavior
besides games. (a) Rituals and ceremonies
(b) Pastimes
(c) Operations and maneuvers
and (e) Intimacy
Games are classified as order (d).
Mind games are distinct in having a predictable outcome, ulterior motives,
and a dramatic payoff. Check out some books by Eric Berne, M.D. if you
want some very interesting reading about why people do things that seem
only to hurt themselves and those that they care about.
From Badger01@yabbs Mon Jun 6 13:55:34 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: Always ;late with replys
Date: Mon Jun 6 13:55:34 1994
I have to think, must think, have no choice but to think that this is it.
I can't ec explain why that is, but it is, and I wish it were otherwise.
People with Faith astonish me, make me feel all dead inside, and I hgope
someday to have what they have.
BADGER
M Rossi III
From Badger01@yabbs Mon Jun 6 13:56:37 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: ouch
Date: Mon Jun 6 13:56:37 1994
According to some doctors, not many but a few, and a few religons, we do.
BADGER
M Rossi III
From Cat@yabbs Mon Jun 6 15:33:08 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: ratshade@yabbs
Subject: re: just a question
Date: Mon Jun 6 15:33:08 1994
In message re: just a question, ratshade said:
> Games are classified as order (d).
>
> Mind games are distinct in having a predictable outcome, ulterior motives,
> and a dramatic payoff. Check out some books by Eric Berne, M.D. if you
> want some very interesting reading about why people do things that seem
> only to hurt themselves and those that they care about.
hmm. i don't think alll mind games are designed to hurt people...or have
a predicatble outcome....would be interested in reading those books tho,
and the classification system is certainly interesting... thanks much :)
-tammie
From Cat@yabbs Mon Jun 6 15:38:51 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: Always ;late with replys
Date: Mon Jun 6 15:38:51 1994
In message Always ;late with replys, Badger01 said:
> I have to think, must think, have no choice but to think that this is it.
i kinda believe that too, but i have an overactive and all encompassing
imagination, so i never can tell for certain sure....
> I can't ec explain why that is, but it is, and I wish it were otherwise.
why do you wish that were different?
> People with Faith astonish me, make me feel all dead inside, and I hgope
> someday to have what they have.
hmmm. well, i have been around people who have faith all my life.
sometimes i think it's a good thing and sometimes it frightens me. do you
think having a faith would make you feel "un-dead"?
From Badger01@yabbs Mon Jun 6 16:45:57 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: Always ;late with replys
Date: Mon Jun 6 16:45:57 1994
>well, i have been around people who have faith all my life.
sometimes i think it's a good thing and sometimes it frightens me. do you
>think having a faith would make you feel "un-dead"?
I don't mean A faith as much as I mean Faith itself.
Just the ability to believe in something, anything, other than the
strength of my friendships and the duty involved. I have lived in such a
here and now world that I feel so tired of it sometimes, you know?
Friendships die and duty weighs you down, and without transcendamce, how
do I ever get more?
BADGER01
M Rossi III
From ratshade@yabbs Tue Jun 7 02:00:53 1994
From: ratshade@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: just a question
Date: Tue Jun 7 02:00:53 1994
>i don't think alll mind games are designed to hurt people... or have
>a predictable outcome....
Well, they're not _designed_ to hurt people, but that is a side effect
of quite a few of them. Usually the outcome is fairly predictable, as the
actions by the players are predictable. However, if someone refuses to
play, or uses the antithesis to the game, it can really surprise the
players and throw the game off course.
From Cat@yabbs Tue Jun 7 10:37:13 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: Always ;late with replys
Date: Tue Jun 7 10:37:13 1994
In message re: Always ;late with replys, Badger01 said:
> Just the ability to believe in something, anything, other than the
> strength of my friendships and the duty involved.
hmmm. sometime i wonder tho, if those aren't enough. i guess not. i'm at
the point where i'm just fed up with faith in anything...perhaps that's
because i'm sick of getten awakened at 6 am every sunday morning to go to
church. i don't agree with church and wish i was brave enough to tell
that to my parents. i'm not, so i go to church and feel like a sell out.
ah well. :)
I have lived in such a
> here and now world that I feel so tired of it sometimes, you know?
yes, i know the feeling quite well....sometimes it can even make you feel
trapped. seems like there ought to be something _more_ but it's just so
darn to find...the romantics would say find it in love, the religious in
God, and the humanists in yourself, but i question all three. :) all 3
have disappointed me so i wonder.....
> Friendships die and duty weighs you down, and without transcendamce, how
> do I ever get more?
maybe there isn't any more, who knows?
-tammie
From Cat@yabbs Tue Jun 7 10:40:10 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: ratshade@yabbs
Subject: re: just a question
Date: Tue Jun 7 10:40:10 1994
In message re: just a question, ratshade said:
> Usually the outcome is fairly
>predictable, as the actions by the players are predictable. However, if
>someone refuses to play, or uses the antithesis to the game, it can really
>surprise the players and throw the game off course.
oh yes, and THAT'S when mind games become fun...but it's all fun and
games till somebody gets hurt.
-tammie
From Natalie@yabbs Tue Jun 7 12:35:27 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: Always ;late with replys
Date: Tue Jun 7 12:35:27 1994
well, here's my $.02 on religion and faith and its benefits....
I just got back from the funeral of my great uncle, who I loved very very
much. He had cancer, so we all knew death was imminent, and I did go see
him in the hospital so I got a chance to tell him I loved him and to say
goodbye (which I didn't get with my mother), so I'm okay about that. But
the funeral was Catholic. My whole family is Catholic, with the exception
of myself and my sister. Me, I'mmore of a Gnostic than anythingelse, and
my sister is fundamentalist born again. Now, when it comes to things
like this, I don't know any of the rituals. I can't BELIEVE what the
priest is saying about eternal life in heaven, because i'm not real sure
aboutthe next plane of existence (i'm an agnostic gnostic). But I can see
that there is some comfort in the ritual and tradtion of belonging to a
specific church or faith. I don't have that comfort in my life, and I'm
just glad thatI am strong ennough not to need that kind of comfort.
(Religion is the opiate of the masses, i know, i know) But other ppl
aren't as strong as I am, and I can see where religion/faith wopuld help
them getthrough difficult periods in their lives. it's just when they try
to shove it down MY throat thatI get mad.
Sorry this is so long...
natalie
From topi@yabbs Tue Jun 7 20:32:17 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: Always ;late with replys
Date: Tue Jun 7 20:32:17 1994
Ohhhh... nice question "How do you ever get more?" That's truly something
to contemplate. I understand what you were saying and how that question
was posed, and its a truly legit thing to think about... and it runs
straight back into the question of whats the afterlife going to be like. I
can't seriously believe that anyone could be content in the thought of
it all being total darkness, a true end, nothing, black, buried in a box.
We HAVE to believe in something more, we HAVE to want something more.
Otherwise what truly has been the point in our lives?? In essence what
have we done all this time? Have we truly achieved NOTHING???
Is there anyone out there in this huge world, that is totally happy with
their lives here on this planet, and who would not want more?
Maybe it comes down to us all being greedy pigs, take everything you can
get.
So far, what I believe in is that everyone goes where they want to go when
they die. You could look at it as finally being released from this body
that inhibits us, and therefore you've got your soul, your imagination,
and thats enough to create a billion different worlds with :) That's how I
believe everyone gets their own - because we all have different minds and
imagination.
Woah. *smile*
Love yas,
-Cath.
From Steyr@yabbs Tue Jun 7 22:55:10 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Afterlife ?
Date: Tue Jun 7 22:55:10 1994
Terry Pratchett (in his book "Pyramids" I think) suggests the theory about
the afterlife (somewhat similar to what Topi said), that the afterlife is
whatever you imagine it to be. If you imagine a heaven where you can
catch up on old times with all your dead buddies and ancestors, then
that's what you get. If you imagine it to be nothing, then, for you,
there is no afterlife.
This idea almost makes sense to me. I think the only person/being capable
of judging whether you have been good or bad in your life is you. Hence,
if you know you have led an evil life and you then suspect that you are
going top hell, then to hell you go. Whereas if you were nasty to ppl but
always had good intentions despite outside appearances, then you may feel
you should go to a "heaven" and off you go.
Just a thought on God/gods too. If they do/did exist, then it makes sense
that they are some sort of sentient being with an interest of sorts in us.
We might have no idea what that interest is ... it may be far beyond
mortal comprehension, but if they have an interest then it is almost
undoubtably designed to benefit themselves in some way. Therefore we
humans are possibly being used, being farmed even, by these
incomprehensible beings we call gods.
Please note that I am an atheist, and please direct all flames for my
blasphemy to Steyr@gpo.swin.edu.au :) :)
Ummm ... just one more thing. If we have an afterlife, what about other
animals. Do cats have a heaven ? Do leeches go to hell ? WHat about
plants ? They're alive too.
Oh well. I know what my heaven/nirvana/uTOPIa is.
And I know exactly how to get there. (About 45mins by train :)
- Steyr
From Natalie@yabbs Tue Jun 7 23:14:47 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: Afterlife ?
Date: Tue Jun 7 23:14:47 1994
so...when you say that if thereis a god(s) and if it is interested in us,
it's reasons may be incomprehensible? so....could Q be god then?
*grin*
natalie
From Deaska@yabbs Wed Jun 8 07:13:59 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: Q??? hehehe
Date: Wed Jun 8 07:13:59 1994
Hell yeah :)
gee, I could use Q atm, get me to Connecticut real fast :) :) :)
oh Steyr *grin* yer a devil... hell you go... *grin*
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
D'... "ring ring *click* I'm not here right now, building an altar to Q...
leave a msg at the magic word - 'FARK!!!!' *click* "
From Cat@yabbs Wed Jun 8 13:26:39 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: Afterlife ?
Date: Wed Jun 8 13:26:39 1994
In message Afterlife ?, Steyr said:
> Terry Pratchett (in his book "Pyramids" I think) suggests the theory about
> the afterlife (somewhat similar to what Topi said), that the afterlife is
> whatever you imagine it to be.
Now there's an idea that i like. i have one heck of an imagination. :)
> This idea almost makes sense to me. I think the only person/being capable
> of judging whether you have been good or bad in your life is you.
i agree, and that's why i have such a problem with organized religions.
many of them are just too darn judgemental...god loves everyone but he
loves some people more that others sort of thing. a person can go
through all the motions of being "good" and have bad intentions in
their minds and vice versa.
i wonder...if perhaps maybe there's a half way point betewwn hell and
heaven. i for one would much rather stay where i am than end up sitting
on a cloud or being barbecued in a pool of fire and brimstone.
> Ummm ... just one more thing. If we have an afterlife, what about other
> animals. Do cats have a heaven ? Do leeches go to hell ? WHat about
> plants ? They're alive too.
>
hmm i had a discussion with my dad about this once. he says that animals
can't go to heaven because they don't have souls. i disagree with this. i
think every living thing has a soul and if "heaven" or whatever you want
to call it is a place one gets into as a reward for being good...seems to
me people will have a much harder time getting in that anything else. :)
leeches going to hell? nah, they just act on their instinct to survive,
but human leechs are another story. :)
-tammie
From PanPan@yabbs Wed Jun 8 13:58:33 1994
From: PanPan@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: just a question
Date: Wed Jun 8 13:58:33 1994
When someone gets hurt, it's a sport.
Painfully yours,
PanPan
From Deaska@yabbs Wed Jun 8 21:34:57 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: afterlife
Date: Wed Jun 8 21:34:57 1994
What explanation would you give to the phenomena commonly termed as
'ghosts'...
don't get me wrong, I'm jus like Natalie on my viewpoint towards
religions... but the thing that fascinates me, is what if when we cark it,
some of us get to float around an' watch life go on without us... an'
occassionally we can affect that reality...?
Ofcourse hollywood has done heaps of stuff about ghosts in that situation,
and largely I think it's all shit... but just as food for thought,
wouldn't it be kewl, provided that you were not alone, because that's
probly my biggest fear of the possibilities of an afterlife...
And that also leads me to Steyr'swords...> Terry Pratchett (in his book
"Pyramids" I think)
If such an afterlife is true, then it suggests that our minds belong to a
higher realm, to retain its own self consciousness beyond the body, and
the physical/spiritual plane... it's suggesting that we ourselves are
gods, thus enabled to create our own universe within our "dead"
imaginations. If you expect a certain reality or consciousness beyond
death, then your mind will kick in when you're due an' grant that to
you... hmmm... is that not godly? (keep in mind this is not a religious
arguement I'm expanding on here...)
Although what I do find disturbing with Pratchett's theory is that the
afterlife you're experiencing is false, the people, or the environs is all
but "a figment of your imagination" and essentially you are alone... that
scares the shit out of me, because you still cease to exist... no one else
to acknowledge your existence in the greater fabric of consciousness...
Deask' (still workin' on his essays :( )
From topi@yabbs Wed Jun 8 23:35:56 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: afterlife
Date: Wed Jun 8 23:35:56 1994
true true true.. pretty scary shit hey?
There's way too much variation in the speculation of what is to come in
the afterlife, so much, that I would choose not to believe in any of it.
Who knows? Who wants to know?
What exactly keeps us living this life, when all the stories of an
afterlife seem so much fun, and so much more appealing? Maybe we haven't
got it so bad after all... not a bad though.. I'm quite content at the
moment. :)
not much of a thought for yas.. .
but do i care? ;) prolly not.
-Cath.
From topi@yabbs Wed Jun 8 23:50:06 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: life, afterlife, prelife,..
Date: Wed Jun 8 23:50:06 1994
Here's a beautiful little story for yous :
"Once upon a time, twin boys were conceived in the same womb.
Weeks passed, and the twins developed. As their awareness grew,
they laughed fore joy: "Isn't it great that we were conceived?
Isn't it great to be alive?"
Together the twins explored their world. When they found their
mother's cord that gave them life, they sang for joy: "How great
is our mother's love that she shares her own life with us!"
As weeks stretched into months the twins noticed how much each
was changing. "What does it mean?" asked the one. "It means
that our stay in this world is drawing to an end," said the other
one. "But I don't want to go,"said the other one. "I want to stay
here always." "We have no choice," said the other. "But maybe there is
life after birth!" "But how can there be?" responded the one.
"We will shed our life cord, and how is life possible without it?
Besdies, we have seen evidence that others were here before us, and none
of them have returned to tell us that there is life after birth. No, this
is the end."
And so the one fell into deep despair, saying: "If conceptions ends in
birth, what is the purpose of life in the womb? It's meaningless!
Maybe there is no mother after all." "But there has to be," protested
the other. "How else did we get here? How do we remain alive?"
"Have you ever seen our mother?" said the one. "Maybe she lives
only in our minds. Maybe we made her up because the idea made us feel
good."
And so the last days in the womb were filled with deep questioning and
fear. Finally, the moment of birth arrived.
When the twins had passed from their world, they opened their eyes and
they cried. For what they saw exceeded their fondest dreams.
-written by somebody.. *shrug*
From topi@yabbs Wed Jun 8 23:52:53 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: life, afterlife, prelife,..
Date: Wed Jun 8 23:52:53 1994
Hmm.. doesn't look as good posted here as it did on the piece of paper
from which it came..
oh well..
From Natalie@yabbs Thu Jun 9 02:05:14 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: life, afterlife, prelife,..
Date: Thu Jun 9 02:05:14 1994
that is so cool :)
natalie
From buzzbomb@yabbs Thu Jun 9 10:00:40 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: life, afterlife, prelife,..
Date: Thu Jun 9 10:00:40 1994
just a bunch of (kinda) random thoughts....
- cool story topi! i never thought of it that way.... there was a news
show on last night about near death experiences (NDE's) and scientists
were
saying that it's all physiological - the "light at the end of the tunnel"
effect is because the brain is running out of oxygen and that's causing
neurons to fire off randomly, exciting more and more of the optical nerves
so that a big spot of white light (all colors of the spectrum) appears in
the center of the eyes and gets bigger... the feeling of comfort and love
is because of endorphins (natural opiates your body produces in times of
stress or pain, and death is definitely one of those times!)... and they
were able to induce an out of body experience by electrically stimulating
a certain part of someone's brain, and this could happen in an NDE because
of the random firings of neurons... just a different view...
- if different stimuli can change (at least temporarily) a person's
intelligence and creativity (beethoven has been shown to do this) and
other's reduce it (getting drunk/stoned) what would happen if (these are
actual situations me and my friends have been in and wondered about ): you
get stoned and then play chess; listen to punk rock and play chess; listen
to beethoven after watching stupid TV sitcoms... i guess it all balances
out huh?
never mind i dunno what i'm talking about.
From Cat@yabbs Thu Jun 9 10:18:01 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: ghosts
Date: Thu Jun 9 10:18:01 1994
i think it would be terrible to be a ghost...to roam the earth and be able
to see your loved ones or just anyone and not have them see you....to not
be able to touch anyone..i'd rather be just a corspe rotting in the ground
than that. :) but being a potergeist might be fun for a week or so. i love
to break and smash things ;)
topi: that was really cool. thanks for posting it :)
-tammie
From Cat@yabbs Thu Jun 9 10:24:33 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: another question
Date: Thu Jun 9 10:24:33 1994
if everyone in society decided that one person didn't exist and treated
them as such...ignored them completely, would that person still exist? do
we exist unto ourselves. or merely because others say that we do?
i have sat in crowded places completely unnoticed by everyone around me
and have wondered if perhaps sometimes we really are invisible..if
absolutely no one notices you are you still there at that given point and
time? i think it would be really neat if you weren't. :)
just wondering,
tammie
From buzzbomb@yabbs Thu Jun 9 15:27:42 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: another question
Date: Thu Jun 9 15:27:42 1994
invisibility.... i've noticed that invisible in a crowded room effect
too... ever seen that st-tng where riker and Roe laren were put out of
phase and were totally invisible to everyone else? and roe thought that
they were dead, in the afterlife and that they were sent back as ghosts to
resolve their sins or something? well it's totally irrelevant but it was a
neat episode! but if they could walk through walls why didn't they fall
through the floors??????
From ratshade@yabbs Thu Jun 9 15:44:53 1994
From: ratshade@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: another question
Date: Thu Jun 9 15:44:53 1994
>if absolutely no one notices you are you still there at that given
>point and time?
If _you_ notice yourself, then you must still exist there. But all of
the other people passing around you might not. You can imagine other
people, but you can't imagine yourself because _something_ must exist to
do the imagining. At least, that's the way I imagine that it works. :>
Perhaps the entire material/physical plane is just a collective
hallucination that we, as astral beings (collections of thought), have
created to relieve the boredom, ease communication, and to flex our mental
muscles.
"I think, therefore, I am. All else is subject to question."
ratShade
From Natalie@yabbs Thu Jun 9 16:59:40 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: re: another question
Date: Thu Jun 9 16:59:40 1994
i've often felt the invisibilty factor (heheh) when i'm with my own family
even...if you don'twant people to talk to you, they won't. Or, even if
you wantthem to talk to you, if you don't say something first they won't.
it's kinda frustrating...
natalie
From Deaska@yabbs Fri Jun 10 12:27:26 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: hard deck consciousness
Date: Fri Jun 10 12:27:26 1994
Buzz, ya wrote somethin' like this methinx:
> but if they could walk through walls why didn't they fall
through the floors??????
ok, now we all know that ST:TNG had a limited time per episode to pack
everything in... so they cannot possibly successfully achieve yer
suspension of disbelief in a totality... an' it's hollywood soo.. hehe
but here's another theory fer ya ta munch on...
Assuming that ghosts do exist or "out-of-phasing" etc an' that they were
able to walk through walls and other obstruction that would impede
movemnet in normal circumstances, but do not fall through the floor...
This can be explained by Hard Deck Consciousness ( no ref's, I jus thought
the idea awhile ago when I was writing a story on afterlife ).
HDCis applied whn the entity, who has lived a lifetime, expecting hard
ground to be under them, and gravity to keep them there... can go on in an
environment that does not accommodate normal hard ground... i.e. yer a
ghost or non-matter consciousness, and still benefit from a simulation of
ground, as provided by the mind. To look at one of the closest examples of
HDC.. we can watch the motion picture "Ghost", which partially
demonstrates theories of mind over matter, in which our protagonist, must
unlearn his previous consciousness experiences in order to jump through
doors, moving trains, and beat up his best buddy. His mind was so used to
having the normal limitation of our material being that when he lost his
meat, the mind refused to adapt, until it was forced to.
However Hard Deck Consciousness is not only applicable with yer everyday
friendly sppok or star trek character... but also has some real life
applications, especailly notable in Space Transportation.
In a few centuries time, (provided that we are still around) human kind
will no longer be bound to their planet, ad will be able to colonize space
and the greatr system. Sure this all sounds fantasy, and what does it have
to do with HDC? Well, if modern speculative fiction is as close as it is
t what will be, then you will have vessels that will support thousands of
people, shipping them across the commercial and government lanes from
colony to colony..etc etc.. what this also means it that without some form
of artificial gravity, you'll have heaps of people floating around
endlessly. HDC enables the future travellers to use their minds to trick
them to sticking to the floor. All because you expect it to happen...
Ok, please treat this as a piece of speculative fiction, I'm not in any
way advocating that HDC is a reality now, or later... however, after
studying paranormal papers and texts, you may come across instances where
people have defied gravity while in a trance... (i.e. returned soviet
cosmonauts regressed back to a mission, floating unaided from their seats
as observed by camera, and researchers present during the sessions)
chew on it,... an enquiring mind is healthy :)
anyone here watch Xfiles? apart from the Mulderisms, its kinda
entertaining... though the question is, does he get Dana Scully to bed?
*chuckle* I should be asleep... sorry if the above is worthless crap, I'm
soooo tired...
night all
D'
From Natalie@yabbs Fri Jun 10 19:57:45 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: hard deck consciousness
Date: Fri Jun 10 19:57:45 1994
*AHEM* XFiles is my favorite show and i ADORE Mulder. If he boinks Scully
I'm gonna be very pissed. I love the mulderisms, dammit.
natallie
From Cat@yabbs Fri Jun 10 20:38:11 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: hard deck consciousness
Date: Fri Jun 10 20:38:11 1994
hmm. it's a good idea, but all the same, i wouldn't want to be a ghost.
maybe being just plain dead when you did isn't such a bad idea after all.
:)
From buzzbomb@yabbs Sat Jun 11 00:03:23 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: hard deck consciousness
Date: Sat Jun 11 00:03:23 1994
XFiles is one of the few tv shows worth watching... one time i was
watching it, it was the episode where this doctor was making alien/human
hybrids and one escaped, and he was stopped by the cops for a traffic
violation or something, and got away by jumping off a bridge into water
and he could breathe under water etc etc etc.... but anyway right after
the show was over, there was an ad for the news coming up where there was
an 18 hour manhunt in progress for a guy that was stopped for a minor
traffic violation and ran off into the woods... !
From Steyr@yabbs Sat Jun 11 00:47:33 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: X Files
Date: Sat Jun 11 00:47:33 1994
_____
/| /| /____/
| | | | | |
| |______| | | |
|/_______| | | |
| | | | | |
| | | | _| |_
|/ |/ /_|/_/
:)
X Files is KEWL !!!
From Deaska@yabbs Sat Jun 11 02:13:05 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: X friggin files
Date: Sat Jun 11 02:13:05 1994
Nat, the scripts are a bit , what's the word... um.. um... shit I can't
think of it... but they are a bit "forced" shall we say...
but I still like the show anyway... tis a good leaping pad fer yas who
aren't into parapsych an' the paranormal sciences....
oh *hug* btw.. hehehe :)
D'
From Deaska@yabbs Sat Jun 11 02:17:17 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: X friggin files
Date: Sat Jun 11 02:17:17 1994
And the cinematography is just brilliant on that show... quite
unprecedented, wonderful to watch, an' definitely inspirational...
ok.. enuf superlatives :) :)
D'
From Cat@yabbs Sat Jun 11 02:32:51 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: X friggin files
Date: Sat Jun 11 02:32:51 1994
From Steyr@yabbs Sat Jun 11 02:34:58 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: X Files
Date: Sat Jun 11 02:34:58 1994
"Forced" scripts or not ... it's still the kewlest show around
(apart from Seinfeld of course) :)
- Steyr
From Cat@yabbs Sat Jun 11 02:36:41 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: X friggin files
Date: Sat Jun 11 02:36:41 1994
blah, let's try that again.....
i haven't seen x-files, tho i keep hearing it mentioned alot...i bet it's
not as good as the old twillight zones or alfred hitchcock...those were
really weird and scary shows because they were so subtle and _always_
left you wondering..ah well i can't even watch them anymore cause the
folks got rid o' our cable. who cares, the only thing worth watching
these days anyway is pbs. :)
-tammie
From robtelee@yabbs Sat Jun 11 03:51:10 1994
From: robtelee@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: X friggin files
Date: Sat Jun 11 03:51:10 1994
I have to agree that the old "twilight Zone" episodes were the sharpest
thing on TV. I especially liked the ones written by Rod Serling. He
could tell a story and then give it just the right twist at the end. I
know it sounds a bit cliche, but it was kin of like a roller coaster ride
with a final drop so you would talk about it later. Some really nice
touches in his stories. He had a vivid imagination.
From Deaska@yabbs Sat Jun 11 07:54:07 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: robtelee@yabbs
Subject: re: X friggin files
Date: Sat Jun 11 07:54:07 1994
agreed...
The better of works done in horror, or supernatural are the ones that are
not so contrived (<- that's the word I was looking for) as some of the
stuff that airs today, i.e. Xfiles.. which depends too much on government
plots and the determination that THIS is a supernatural occurance...
hehehe, jus ask Mulder - a friggin fart in an elevator is some paranormal
event, an insertion of alien influence, or a pyrotechnic who's lost
his/her spark with only the gas remaining..
Twilight zone kicks ass...
(Steyr, X files still tops off a good night of viewing... NYPD blue isn't
bad either fer entertainment)
D'
From Deaska@yabbs Sat Jun 11 08:02:37 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: X friggin files
Date: Sat Jun 11 08:02:37 1994
no cable? aw... *hug* poor you...
don' have cable here either *chuckle*
when it does, it could spark off a whole new black market...
catchya tammiecat :)
Deaska... "dreaming of C an' maple candy"
From Steyr@yabbs Sat Jun 11 08:59:05 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: X friggin files
Date: Sat Jun 11 08:59:05 1994
Agreed. :)
- Steyr
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
From Natalie@yabbs Sat Jun 11 09:05:35 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: X friggin files
Date: Sat Jun 11 09:05:35 1994
Scully: "Mulder, do you believe in Generation X?"
Mulder: "I've seen them, Scully."
I think I'm gonna write an X-Files script where they look for the BIGGEST
myth of our time...Gen X *smirk*
natalie
From Deaska@yabbs Sat Jun 11 15:06:15 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: X friggin files
Date: Sat Jun 11 15:06:15 1994
heehehehehehehe
*huge grin*
D' *hug* fer ya too nat :)
From Cat@yabbs Sat Jun 11 21:13:14 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: maple candy
Date: Sat Jun 11 21:13:14 1994
you poor dear..well since the store i work at sells maple candy, and i
get a 20% employee's discount (jolly jolly) i'll send ya some more if you
send me some more tim tams. *grin*
-tammie
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Jun 12 12:15:19 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: maple candy
Date: Sun Jun 12 12:15:19 1994
:/ yeah.. sounds kewl to me.. I'm a desperate man when it comes to maple
candy...
I jus can't get enuf of it... *hugs* sure cat
D'...
From Cat@yabbs Sun Jun 12 16:02:11 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: maple candy
Date: Sun Jun 12 16:02:11 1994
oki doki, soon as i get my first paycheck i'll pick you up some and take
a little trip down to the post office...i know i still have your "addie".
*grin*
take care...of btw how's claude? her pageant thingy is comong up isnm't
it? sorry all this should be in email but i'm too tired to re-write it.
al well. :)
-tammie
From Badger01@yabbs Wed Jun 15 16:27:53 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: Afterlife ?
Date: Wed Jun 15 16:27:53 1994
I'm in Hell now.
Matthew Rossi
BADGER01
From Badger01@yabbs Wed Jun 15 16:29:15 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: ratshade@yabbs
Subject: re: another question
Date: Wed Jun 15 16:29:15 1994
This is all getting to Ellison, and I hated Invisible Man
Badger01
From Badger01@yabbs Wed Jun 15 16:30:17 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: X Files
Date: Wed Jun 15 16:30:17 1994
Not enough WereBadgers in Xfiles
Otherwise, okay, I guess.
Badger01
From Cat@yabbs Wed Jun 15 20:53:33 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: X Files
Date: Wed Jun 15 20:53:33 1994
i didn't care for the invisible man much either...
From Steyr@yabbs Thu Jun 16 00:54:44 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Afterlife (Still)
Date: Thu Jun 16 00:54:44 1994
Just a thought ...
What is there after the afterlife ? Or does the afterlife last eternally
?
If so ... wouldn't it get boring after a while ?
Afterall ... who wants to live forever whether it's in some sort of
nirvana
or not.
Or perhaps this IS the afterlife ... and this life is our own personal
heaven or hell depending on what we make of it.
Does anyone here believe in reincarnation on this earth ? Perhaps as a
different caste or even a different life form depending on how "well" you
performed in your last life.
Or maybe "life" is just a whole bunch of electrical impulses and chemical
reactions, and when we die the electricity dissapates into some other form
of energy and the pysical side of us just decomposes. Perhaps there is no
"soul", no "God/gods/godesses", no "afterlife", no "reincarnation".
Perhaps a bleak outlook ... but why does there HAVE to be something after
death ?
Ok, so this topic has pretty much been done to death already (is there an
afterlife for topics/ideas ?) and I guess there's no solid answers to all
this anyway.
Oh, but to all those who firmly believe there IS an afterlife, is there
one for plants as well ? They are alive too.
,,,
(o o)
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| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
From Deaska@yabbs Thu Jun 16 03:08:09 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: suicide
Date: Thu Jun 16 03:08:09 1994
man, no wonder I've seen some pot plants jump off their ledges in an
attempt to suicide... they must've been people in past lives... how
depressing would it be to become a plant...
:)
Deask'
ps. well some ppl I know are jus a worthless as plants anyway, 'cept
plants give out oxygen, ppl use it up...
From Cat@yabbs Thu Jun 16 17:00:53 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: suicide
Date: Thu Jun 16 17:00:53 1994
hmmmm well being a plant might be a nice change of pace.....it's been
terribly dull around here lately. i'd like to be a venus fly trap. *snap*
-tammie
From Deaska@yabbs Thu Jun 16 18:12:39 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: venus
Date: Thu Jun 16 18:12:39 1994
Hahaha... I shoulda guessed... *grin*
HIya Tammie *warmhug*
If I were a plant... I'd be a daisy,
guess who loves daisies *chuckle*
From Cat@yabbs Thu Jun 16 18:49:57 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: venus
Date: Thu Jun 16 18:49:57 1994
hmm wonder who? you're just too darn cutsie oootsie for me *hug* :)
i personally like lilacs and lilies of the valley...they smell soooo nice.
daffodils are nice too, but any flower will do :)
will soon be sending maple your way...hmm i ought to send you a tree and
a spiget so you can make your own
see ya later
-tam
From dmonger@yabbs Thu Jun 16 22:44:46 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: afterlife
Date: Thu Jun 16 22:44:46 1994
The after life:
tied to a nagahyde recliner being forced to listen the same Wayne Newton song
over and over.
-peter
who's been reading abit too much Sartre
From Natalie@yabbs Thu Jun 16 23:16:43 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: afterlife
Date: Thu Jun 16 23:16:43 1994
eeeeew...naugahyde, newton, and sartre...sounds like hell to me....
now, if it were waterbed, guadalcanal diary and yeats, now THAT would be
heaven....
natalie
From Xela@yabbs Fri Jun 17 01:16:52 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: a movie...
Date: Fri Jun 17 01:16:52 1994
...I was think of which I kinda neat is called "The Cook, The Thief, His
Wife, Her Lover." Talk about mind games.
X
From Natalie@yabbs Fri Jun 17 09:13:46 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: a movie...
Date: Fri Jun 17 09:13:46 1994
i saw that movie. i hated it. thebest part was the end. i wanted to
kill that singing kid. ugh. pretentiuos art film.
natalie
From Cat@yabbs Fri Jun 17 10:20:11 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: afterlife
Date: Fri Jun 17 10:20:11 1994
uhhhhh who's wayne newton? :)
nat: waterbeds are miserable. i have one and i wake up sore and stiff
every morning in it...that would not be heaven for me...i miss my hard
bed at school *sigh* and yeats..well, sure why not? tho if i had to read
one writer for eternity it would be either poe or carroll (they put me in such
a lovely state of mind) a.a. milne wouldn't be bad either.
do you believe in reincarnation?
-tammie
From Cat@yabbs Fri Jun 17 10:23:42 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: a movie...
Date: Fri Jun 17 10:23:42 1994
In message re: a movie..., Natalie said:
> i wanted to kill that singing kid. ugh. pretentiuos art film.
if you want to see obnoxious singing kids watch oliver. :)
From Xela@yabbs Fri Jun 17 14:25:32 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: a movie...
Date: Fri Jun 17 14:25:32 1994
"pretentious art film..."
Everyone's a critic... :)
X
From dmonger@yabbs Fri Jun 17 15:11:36 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: lucky charms
Date: Fri Jun 17 15:11:36 1994
i was wondering:
if lucky the leprachaun is really sick of being chased by those obnoxious
theiving kids, can't he use his marshmellow magic to turn the colorful
marshmellows that the kids love so into his unholy army of the night and
have them shred the children into ity bitty pieces?
or am i missing something?
-peter
From pbj@yabbs Fri Jun 17 19:01:38 1994
From: pbj@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: lucky charms
Date: Fri Jun 17 19:01:38 1994
I agree... truly i think that the trix bunny should go insane
one of these days and squash all of the kids on the trix commercials
and give them to lucky to include in his...pot of gold....ugh!
:) ;)
colleen
From Natalie@yabbs Fri Jun 17 19:21:16 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: a movie...
Date: Fri Jun 17 19:21:16 1994
damn straight i am...if you want to see a GOOD art film, rent Wim
Wenders's "wings Of Desire". That movie is incredible...the sequel just
came out (I think) but I haven't heard a thing about it...actually all of
the movies that Wenders has directed that I've seen are really good...even
tho "Until The End Of The World" seemed like it was 6 hours long...
natalie
From Columbo@yabbs Fri Jun 17 21:56:12 1994
From: Columbo@yabbs
To: pbj@yabbs
Subject: re: lucky charms
Date: Fri Jun 17 21:56:12 1994
How about if the monkey in the Coca Krispies commercial nuts up and starts
biting the shit out of kids and gives them rabies ?
From Badger01@yabbs Mon Jun 20 11:49:25 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: afterlife
Date: Mon Jun 20 11:49:25 1994
In the afterlife we become characters in the fiction
of Jacqueline Sussette.
In other words, we go to hell.
Badger01
From Badger01@yabbs Mon Jun 20 11:52:16 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: lucky charms
Date: Mon Jun 20 11:52:16 1994
You see, lucky, like all leprechauns, is a weak willed fool afraid to use
his power as it should be used. For example, the trix rabbit, a sapient
rodent of immense size and intelligence, is ostracized and humiliated over
and over again, yet does he breed and form a massive army of hisown
fertile brood? No. He takes it like a simp.
I think advertisers don't realize we identify more with the rabbit than
those @%$%^#$^$#^%$%#&#% kids.
Badger012
Speaking for myselves
From Natalie@yabbs Mon Jun 20 19:42:18 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: afterlife
Date: Mon Jun 20 19:42:18 1994
hmmm...hell for me would be being stuck in a v.c. andrews novel....
natalie
From robtelee@yabbs Tue Jun 21 23:49:29 1994
From: robtelee@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: afterlife
Date: Tue Jun 21 23:49:29 1994
My idea of hell would be tied to a chair watching Shirley Temple movies
while listening to Donny Osmond records with Marie Osmond singing backup
vocals.......
aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
From Phain@yabbs Wed Jun 22 19:59:39 1994
From: Phain@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: afterlife
Date: Wed Jun 22 19:59:39 1994
This is all way too mild. Hell would be worse then V.C> Andrews or Shirley
Temple. Hell would be being tied down and forced to watch the movie
"Slacker" for all eternityu. Just think of it. Endless hours of annoying
people whineing about the Smurfs. One shudders to think.
-Phain
From Natalie@yabbs Wed Jun 22 20:52:29 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Phain@yabbs
Subject: re: afterlife
Date: Wed Jun 22 20:52:29 1994
true...i hated slacker w/ a passion....waste of film....butthe smurfs are
kinda cool....heheheh
natalie
From Phain@yabbs Thu Jun 23 08:27:39 1994
From: Phain@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: slacker
Date: Thu Jun 23 08:27:39 1994
I couldn't stand most of it. By the middle of the movie, I just wanted
to go to this town and start a shooting spree. A few parts amused me,
namely the Madonna pap smear bit, and the man in the car advertising
a weapons sale.
From Natalie@yabbs Thu Jun 23 09:46:55 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Phain@yabbs
Subject: re: slacker
Date: Thu Jun 23 09:46:55 1994
i'm so glad SOMEONE else agrees with me *looks pointedly at ducky* butthen
again, i really don't like a lt of movies thattons of ppl rave about
my...my tastes run more towars gdzilla and mst3k, so...*shrug*
From Cat@yabbs Thu Jun 23 21:22:49 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: slacker
Date: Thu Jun 23 21:22:49 1994
well i haven't seen it. i can't remember the last time i went to see a
movie...now wait, it was october 31st last year. my friend and i went to
see "the nightmare before x-mas". that was a good movie. :) i wish i was
an animated character, be it clay or regular animation. no matter how
many times you get hurt you just bounce right back up. :) have there been
any cartoon characters that ever permanently "died"? i'm sure there must
have been one or two, but no names come to mind......
-tammie
From Badger01@yabbs Fri Jun 24 10:03:16 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: Phain@yabbs
Subject: re: slacker
Date: Fri Jun 24 10:03:16 1994
Slacker wasn't all that bad. Well, okay, it SUCKED TOXIN, but at least it
was better than a sharp stick in the eye. Not MUCH better, but hey, can't
be picky about these things. The absolute worst Gen X (GAG! PUKE!
UNCONTROLLED VOMIT!) movie has to be ...well, they all kinda suck. Hey, I
know, let's have a vote!
Badger01
From Badger01@yabbs Fri Jun 24 10:04:20 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: slacker
Date: Fri Jun 24 10:04:20 1994
I saw Wolf friday.
That's all I'm gonna say without my lawyer present.
But Jessie liked it, bless her heart.
Badger01
From pbj@yabbs Fri Jun 24 18:03:11 1994
From: pbj@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: voting
Date: Fri Jun 24 18:03:11 1994
haven't rilly seen any "gen-x" movies i don't care for ...sorry
pbj
From jujubee@yabbs Sun Jun 26 09:48:20 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: Phain@yabbs
Subject: re: afterlife
Date: Sun Jun 26 09:48:20 1994
or Madonna's pap smear! hehehehehhe
From jujubee@yabbs Sun Jun 26 11:23:55 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: slacker
Date: Sun Jun 26 11:23:55 1994
BUT I LIKED SLACKER!!!!!! .....then again, i REALLY liked [Eating
Raoul]....hehehe....i have unusually demented humour.....anyone ever see
that one???? digustingly dry humour at its best....or worst? you be the
judge!!!
From Natalie@yabbs Sun Jun 26 12:48:40 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: re: afterlife
Date: Sun Jun 26 12:48:40 1994
juju, you're gross
heheh
natalie
From buzzbomb@yabbs Sun Jun 26 20:06:35 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: afterlife
Date: Sun Jun 26 20:06:35 1994
anyone ever see Tetsuo the Iron Man? it's this really cool japanese flick,
no dialog or anything, about this guy that gradually turns into a machine
or something. it all has this crazy grinding pounding industrial
background
music, and it's all in B&W... he's just going through his every day life
and
these wires and tubs start pushing through his skin, from the inside!
kinda
reminds me of NIN's 'becoming'.
From Natalie@yabbs Sun Jun 26 23:32:44 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: re: afterlife
Date: Sun Jun 26 23:32:44 1994
i saw it....and guess what? i thought it sucked! i sat there and said
horrible things about it...like when his penis turned into the drill bit,
i said, "oooh, i've never seen a tool like yours before..." but the end
was kinda cool, when they said they were gonna conquer the world thru
their metal love or something like that....
natalie
From hashish@yabbs Mon Jun 27 02:07:17 1994
From: hashish@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: re: afterlife
Date: Mon Jun 27 02:07:17 1994
tetsuo the iron man was pretty kool, i haven't had a chance to check out
TetsuoII Bodyhammer ('cause it isn't playing at the moment, both the films
are pretty old and cycle through a few cinemas time after time). a friend
of mine reckons II isn't as good as I, but that's just his opinion!
hashish
From Phain@yabbs Mon Jun 27 18:58:32 1994
From: Phain@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Akira
Date: Mon Jun 27 18:58:32 1994
I'm sorry, but I still think Akira is the greatest piece of animation
to date. Accept no imitators. The whole movie I just sat there and stared
in awe. After years of American animation, the jap. stuff really astounds.
-Phain
From Badger01@yabbs Mon Jun 27 20:45:40 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: Phain@yabbs
Subject: re: Akira
Date: Mon Jun 27 20:45:40 1994
Akira is OK, but Macross rules the Multiverse.
Badger01
From hashish@yabbs Mon Jun 27 23:04:41 1994
From: hashish@yabbs
To: Phain@yabbs
Subject: re: Akira
Date: Mon Jun 27 23:04:41 1994
manga films are excellent, i totally spin out every time i see akira.
really kool concept!
hashish
p.s. i'm not sure if your post was refering to the previous ones on
tetsuo, because tetsuo isn't animation.
From hawke@yabbs Tue Jun 28 03:13:29 1994
From: hawke@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: ROBOTECH
Date: Tue Jun 28 03:13:29 1994
Sorry folks but Robotech kicks ass of course then you have Project Aka,
lensman, Tank Police and that aint even all of them Hell Japanexe
animation kicks ass. nough said
iI reamian your obedient
servant
Hawke
From topi@yabbs Tue Jun 28 07:58:30 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: lots of this..
Date: Tue Jun 28 07:58:30 1994
well, its about time someone brought this to your attention..
you wouldn't believe this, BUT,
there does belong a message base, funnily enough called "Cartoons, Comics
and Annimation" , where I think most of this talk really belongs.
Just an observation.
.
This has just been to be doubley annoying. *evil grin*
-Cath.
From Egwene@yabbs Tue Jun 28 09:32:47 1994
From: Egwene@yabbs
To: hawke@yabbs
Subject: re: ROBOTECH
Date: Tue Jun 28 09:32:47 1994
Can you get Robotech episodes on tape somewhere, when I was a kid I used
to watch it all the time, but it seem to have disapeared.
From hawke@yabbs Wed Jun 29 02:29:33 1994
From: hawke@yabbs
To: Egwene@yabbs
Subject: re: ROBOTECH
Date: Wed Jun 29 02:29:33 1994
Yes you can in fact get macross,southern cross nest generation and even
the one tape of sentinals if you go to a local mall that has a tape store
you should be able to order them they run between 30 and 40 dollars a tape
though. the store i got mine from was cellaphane square or something like
that.
I remain you obediant servant
Hawke
From Deaska@yabbs Wed Jun 29 11:36:27 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: hawke@yabbs
Subject: re: ROBOTECH
Date: Wed Jun 29 11:36:27 1994
Hey, obediant servant,
please do what topi suggested... :) :)
(but nevertheless... ROBOTECH does kick ass, granted)
gotta love the battlemech culture...
me :)
From Egwene@yabbs Wed Jun 29 11:47:38 1994
From: Egwene@yabbs
To: hawke@yabbs
Subject: re: ROBOTECH
Date: Wed Jun 29 11:47:38 1994
Thank you Hawke!
From Badger01@yabbs Wed Jun 29 11:50:11 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Here's a mind game..
Date: Wed Jun 29 11:50:11 1994
When you next see your family, act normally for the first hour, then begin
to shriek "NEVER! You'll never conquer the world, HERR Hitler! Roosevelt
and Churchill will halt your fiendish plot!" Then pretend you never
said, and refuse to admit it no matter how they press you.
Badger01
From Natalie@yabbs Wed Jun 29 13:34:08 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: Here's a mind game..
Date: Wed Jun 29 13:34:08 1994
but my family already thinks i'm quite mad....
natalie
From jujubee@yabbs Wed Jun 29 16:06:08 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: Here's a mind game..
Date: Wed Jun 29 16:06:08 1994
My folks wouldn't be too surprised by something of that
sort....heheheheheh....
guess i'm what you would call the [eccentric] one of the family....
*8^]
From Cat@yabbs Wed Jun 29 21:19:26 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: re: Here's a mind game..
Date: Wed Jun 29 21:19:26 1994
In message re: Here's a mind game.., jujubee said:
>
> guess i'm what you would call the [eccentric] one of the family....
oh you too? :) my family calls me a kook all the time...i wonder where
they get ideas like that, because i have always thought that i was the
most "normal" member of the ledoux household. :)
-tammie
From Covenant@yabbs Wed Jun 29 21:57:35 1994
From: Covenant@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Here's a mind game..
Date: Wed Jun 29 21:57:35 1994
In message re: Here's a mind game.., Cat said:
> > guess i'm what you would call the [eccentric] one of the family....
Man, you guys/gals have to meet my family. Especially my old man.
We've all got tatoos (mom,dad,sister,me) and worship harleys. heheee
My old man takes the cake though. I went home last year and saw
a wooden cross and some flowers behind the house. I asked mom: "did one
of the cats die?". "Nope", she said, "your dad like to go up to the graveyard
on his bike and dig through the trashcans". He rides his bike with no shirt,
no socks, boots, cutoff shorts, and a suit vest. He buys suit vests at yard
sales all of the time. His hat is a ballcap with the bill cutoff. I asked
him why he did that and he said the wind kept blowing it off. I asked why
he didn't just wear it backwards and he said: "yeah right. I'd look like
one of those punk kids on Hondas".
I talked to him on the phone last fall and he was pissed off. He said
that all of the leaves had fallen off of the trees and he could see our
'neighbors' porch light (one mile away). He was getting ready to shoot it out
because he felt 'closed in'. He's got a patched together chinese military
issue rifle that he uses to shoot groundhogs in the hayfield from the porch.
The man is my god: I worship him unconditionally.
Mom's a refugee from Catholic school and if anyone gives her a bottle of
wine as a present, she mixes it with a slushed Boones Farm and goes for a walk
along the railroad tracks. I called her from school 6 years ago when I was a
freshman and she asked me: "are you studying alot?". I said some, but that
I'd been skipping my 8:00 Chem class because we were getting drunk 5 or 6
nights a week and that my GPA was going to shit. She said: "Well, just
remember to have fun and not to study too hard. If you study too hard you'll
just burn yourself out." My mommy kicks ass. She's the shit.
My sister follows The Dead now. Not exclusively, but damn near.
She was voted Prom Queen in High School and tripped and fell down the stage
stairs drunk off of her ass at the dance when they anounced the candidates.
She said she didn't even remember any of it nor did she care to. Her airforce
cargo plane also hauled one of those released Iranian hostages (can't remember
the name) back to Germany. They got hammered on the way to Germany as he
kept babbling about how long it had been since he had seen a woman. I've
seen her drink men 5 times her size under the table. My little sis rules.
Sorry, guess I'm just getting homesick. I do tend to brag them up
sometimes (though that is all true). What can I say, they're the coolest
and most eccentric people I know. Hmmmm, why did I write all of this? Oh
well, talk to you all in chat.
Covenant, The Appalachian
From dmonger@yabbs Wed Jun 29 23:33:05 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Phain@yabbs
Subject: re: Akira
Date: Wed Jun 29 23:33:05 1994
ah, Akira ... kind of cool anime ... okay story ... crap dialog.
lets see if i can renact one of the scenes.
two groups of armed people face off.
one person shoots someone on the other side ... more shots fired
someone yells "Look out, he's got a gun" (great timing)
more dialog that makes little sense
"Men, we're going to the olympics"
maybe it makes more sense in context ... Nah.
-peter
From Natalie@yabbs Thu Jun 30 01:04:20 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: Akira
Date: Thu Jun 30 01:04:20 1994
hey! i think i've seen that movie....
natalie
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Thu Jun 30 08:13:39 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: Here's a mind game..
Date: Thu Jun 30 08:13:39 1994
With a name like LeDoux, I'd a thought you'd all be nuts!!!
:-)
From dmonger@yabbs Thu Jun 30 08:56:38 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: NJDEVIL@yabbs
Subject: re: Here's a mind game..
Date: Thu Jun 30 08:56:38 1994
that's ledoux ... with a lowercase d
-peter
who was chastized by cat once for calling her mommie mrs. LeDoux instead of
Mrs. Ledoux.
From Cat@yabbs Thu Jun 30 09:20:04 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: Akira
Date: Thu Jun 30 09:20:04 1994
In message re: Akira, Natalie said:
> hey! i think i've seen that movie....
>
me too...sounds just like every single movie my father watches. if it has
guns in it, dad's seen it :)
-tammie
From Cat@yabbs Thu Jun 30 09:21:51 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: NJDEVIL@yabbs
Subject: re: Here's a mind game..
Date: Thu Jun 30 09:21:51 1994
In message re: Here's a mind game.., NJDEVIL said:
> With a name like LeDoux, I'd a thought you'd all be nuts!!!
sorr nj i'm lost, what does my last name have to do with the price of bread?
-tammie
From Cat@yabbs Thu Jun 30 09:25:14 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Covenant@yabbs
Subject: Families
Date: Thu Jun 30 09:25:14 1994
god you're family sounds really cool. i wish mine was more like that.
i've never looked through the trash at graveyards, but i do think they're
just about the coolest places on earth
-tammie
From dmonger@yabbs Thu Jun 30 18:32:52 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: graveyards
Date: Thu Jun 30 18:32:52 1994
During my senior year, after the winter musical (well, fallish), the
cast and crew took a trip out to this cool overgrown cemetary outside
princeton. lots of fun the first night (when three of us hid inside
and waited for the others), but not the second time (when i got a
nissan van stuck in the mudh ... wasn't that fun)
-peter
From jujubee@yabbs Thu Jun 30 21:35:49 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: Here's a mind game..
Date: Thu Jun 30 21:35:49 1994
Cat: heheheheh! I thought I was the most [sane]/[normal] one in my family,
too! Seems my family thinks otherwise! :)
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Fri Jul 1 08:49:09 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: Here's a mind!
Date: Fri Jul 1 08:49:09 1994
Pardon me!! Or as Steve Martin used to say
Well, EXCUUUUUUSSSEEE MEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Fri Jul 1 08:49:51 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: ???
Date: Fri Jul 1 08:49:51 1994
Dunno, just sorta came out! *Cringe*
From Badger01@yabbs Fri Jul 1 09:17:24 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: NJDEVIL@yabbs
Subject: Yet Another Badger Mindgame
Date: Fri Jul 1 09:17:24 1994
If you guys think the last one was too tame, try this one:
During Christmas Dinner, when they wheel out whatever the feast is going
to be, and this works best if it is a meat of some kind, scream "My former
bretheren of Life! I will save YOU!" Throw the meat dish in question as
hard as you can at the Childrens table, screaming "BUTCHERS! SANTA IS A
MYTH! SANTA MURDERED THIS (Fill in animal species)! I HATE CHRISTMAS! FUCK
THE ELVES!" and collapse in a heap, sobbing uncontrollably.
Badger01
From dmonger@yabbs Fri Jul 1 10:46:30 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: Yet Another Badger Mindgame
Date: Fri Jul 1 10:46:30 1994
i'll try it this weekend ... might not have the same spectacular effect on the
fourth of july.
personally, i just like to refer to the meatlike foodstuff by name
hey mom, would you like another piece of Gerald here?
gets ya sent to the kiddies tabble every time ... at least i don't have to
eat with the dog.
-peter
From Cat@yabbs Fri Jul 1 12:51:42 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: Yet Another Badger Mindgame
Date: Fri Jul 1 12:51:42 1994
In message re: Yet Another Badger Mindgame, dmonger said:
>
> personally, i just like to refer to the meatlike foodstuff by name
no pet it and say and you used to be so soft and furry/feathery too, and
i'll miss those big brown soulful eyes
> gets ya sent to the kiddies tabble every time ... at least i don't have to
> eat with the dog.
and i'm sure pie is thankful for that too :)
-tammie
From Covenant@yabbs Fri Jul 1 12:53:48 1994
From: Covenant@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: Yet Another Badger Mindgame
Date: Fri Jul 1 12:53:48 1994
cccccoooooooooooooooooooooooollllllllllllllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!
From Phain@yabbs Fri Jul 1 17:51:01 1994
From: Phain@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re:graveyards
Date: Fri Jul 1 17:51:01 1994
Graveyards are great fun, I even had the pleasure of working in them for
a few years. I sandblasted the dates of death on the stones. Great job,
really, no one to complain, pretty areas, that solemn feeling. Might have
been my best job yet. I got to see a lot of different graveyards that way.
Speaking of mind games, I worked quite a few bizzare stories out of my
experiences. I usually freaked out everyone around me at school. They were
convinced I was some sort of psychopath. I always dueled out the exact
opposite of what was expected of me. I would scream at people who
complimented me and thank those who insulted. I even hit on a homophobe
once just to watch his squirm.
Fun days.
-Phain
From Natalie@yabbs Fri Jul 1 19:33:12 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: Yet Another Badger Mindgame
Date: Fri Jul 1 19:33:12 1994
but darn it, i still sit at the children's table...well, actually, we all
mix up now...since there are only 2 little ones, wouldn't seem fair to put
them in the other room all by themselves....
natalie
From Natalie@yabbs Fri Jul 1 19:36:36 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Phain@yabbs
Subject: re: re:graveyards
Date: Fri Jul 1 19:36:36 1994
hmmm...hitting on homophobes, eh? when i was in hs, me & this girl would
put our arms around each other and walk down the sophomore hall calling
each other lover and honey and sweetie REALLY loudly...got us a path
cleared, no problem....and she just called me tonight too...haven't talked
to her in over a year, so i was already thinking about that too...
natalie
From dmonger@yabbs Fri Jul 1 20:10:58 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: Yet Another Badger Mindgame
Date: Fri Jul 1 20:10:58 1994
hey, at least my dog loves everyone in the family unlike certain enormous
"cats" i know :)
although he looked kind of mad when i hit him in the face with thesquirt cannon
today.
-peter
who wants one of those cool voice activated squirt guns
From dmonger@yabbs Fri Jul 1 20:16:26 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: re:graveyards
Date: Fri Jul 1 20:16:26 1994
it always amazeds me how upset some of my friends get when i put my arm around
them or my head on their shoulders .... and they wouldn't let me tell the drive
in guy at wendy's how cute my friend pat's ass was
some people
-peter
From Cat@yabbs Fri Jul 1 21:45:52 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: dogs and cats
Date: Fri Jul 1 21:45:52 1994
well at least my cat's not stupid or smelly :)
hmmm and you say i'm being mean to my dog when i feed her cake?
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Fri Jul 1 22:45:20 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: Yet Another Badger Mindgame
Date: Fri Jul 1 22:45:20 1994
Right! Then they shoot ya up with tranks and
put ya in the rummber room!
From NJDEVIL@yabbs Fri Jul 1 22:47:13 1994
From: NJDEVIL@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: dogs and cats
Date: Fri Jul 1 22:47:13 1994
Have 8 cats, they are smart, but they are smelly!
From Covenant@yabbs Sat Jul 2 03:10:49 1994
From: Covenant@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: re:graveyards
Date: Sat Jul 2 03:10:49 1994
hmmmmmm, I hate to admit it, .... but I am intrigued!
Covenant, the horny
who thinks that the love between two women is beautiful!
From Patton@yabbs Sat Jul 2 13:54:59 1994
From: Patton@yabbs
To: JasonLee@yabbs
Subject: re: Book of Questions: Love&Sex
Date: Sat Jul 2 13:54:59 1994
that which does not kill me only makes me stronger -Mr. N.
@
s
From Death@yabbs Sun Jul 3 12:56:36 1994
From: Death@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: yabbsfest
Date: Sun Jul 3 12:56:36 1994
Everybody (or almost everybody) here on yabbs wonders what everyone else
is like in "real" life... To this end, I'm announcing that a bunch of us
have gotten together to organize a party!!! We've decided that at some
as yet undetermined point in time, anybody from Yabbs that wants to is
invited to come to Pittsburgh, the birthplace of Yabbs, where we will all
get together for a weekend or so of fun :> The reason the time is still
undetermined is because we need everyone who wants to come to let us know
when would be a good time for them... Email me with questions, comments,
suggestions, and what time would be good for you at: death@cyberspace.org
See you there!!!
--Death
PS... I put this message in every base on the off chance that EVERYBODY
might actually get to see it :>
From dmonger@yabbs Mon Jul 4 20:40:10 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Patton@yabbs
Subject: re: Book of Questions: Love&Sex
Date: Mon Jul 4 20:40:10 1994
In message re: Book of Questions: Love&Sex, Patton said:
> that which does not kill me only makes me stronger -Mr. N.
that which does not make me stronger might at least make me smell better
From pbj@yabbs Wed Jul 6 02:00:04 1994
From: pbj@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: mind game
Date: Wed Jul 6 02:00:04 1994
well this one kinda takes alot of preplanning and the right opprotunity
but try buting one of those Figment dolls from Epcot center if you are
ever there and carrying it around with you and when people ask you where
you got it and stuff just pretend that he's not there.....
anyway its alot more fun than it sounds...epsecially if you know alot of
people that do alot of acid...
pbj
From pbj@yabbs Wed Jul 6 02:03:24 1994
From: pbj@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: more mind games
Date: Wed Jul 6 02:03:24 1994
okay i just thought of another one..next time it rains, go to a semi-major
intersection with a couple of friends and pull over car after car and ask
them....
"if water is wet how do they make dry ice?"
me and my friend opie did this in this snobby little town where our
coffeehouse is aroound here and succeded in getting the rigth answer a few
times, freaking out several old people, and some kidz shoved their bowl
out hte window and asked us if we wanted some "more" we were sober..
anyway..play on
pbj
From Natalie@yabbs Wed Jul 6 02:20:05 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: pbj@yabbs
Subject: re: mind game
Date: Wed Jul 6 02:20:05 1994
oh my god...my evil ex bf gave me a figment doll for xmas a few years
back....i'll have to dig it out....
natalie
From Badger01@yabbs Thu Jul 7 18:47:59 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: One I tried...
Date: Thu Jul 7 18:47:59 1994
Insist that from now on, everyone must call you by your true name,
"JOSEPH STALIN"
Otherwise, act exactly the same, but occasionally say things like,
"Dos Vadanya, Comrade!"
Badger01
From Cat@yabbs Thu Jul 7 21:02:18 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Thu Jul 7 21:02:18 1994
did you know that everytime you sneeze your heart stops for a second and
when that happens you kill a brain cell? i have a friend that's studying
medicine and he told me that...i wonder...if you got near something that
you were allergic too and you kept sneezing and sneezing if you could
make yourself brain dead...what a weird way to die, sneezing to death.
i think the scariest way to die would be if you fell into a hole cut in
the ice in the winter and couldn't get out, or if you were diving and got
your foot stuck and couldn't free it. i think it would be kinda neat to
spontaneously combust though...does anyone know how that works? i've
always kinda wondered...it would be kinda cool if you could make
something else combust by thinking about it...or to make anything happen
by thinking about it
-tammie
From Xela@yabbs Fri Jul 8 01:41:51 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: spontaneous combustion
Date: Fri Jul 8 01:41:51 1994
It's said that heavy drinkers, i.e. alcoholics, are found to be the high
percentage of s.c. victims...something to do with ethyl alcohol being
stored in body fat because the body can't process it all, then POOF! for
some mysterious reason. I agree, it is kinda cool...in a sick and
perverted way. :)
X
From HC@yabbs Fri Jul 8 02:47:32 1994
From: HC@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: <no title>
Date: Fri Jul 8 02:47:32 1994
Actually Cat, freezing to death is one of the most human ways to die.
Essentially, you just die in your sleep. Your body doesn't have
the energy to keep you awake(cold sucked it away I guess).
From Bearclaw@yabbs Fri Jul 8 09:01:20 1994
From: Bearclaw@yabbs
To: HC@yabbs
Subject: Freezin' or Burnin'
Date: Fri Jul 8 09:01:20 1994
If I had to choose between suffocating as the flames consumed all the
oxygen around me and my skin began to blacken until my chest expanded so
far that my lungs blew out like a bad tire and feeling my body give out as
the cold solidified my extremites with a horrid bruning pins and needles
sensation and eventually my eyes became stuck open and I dropped face
first where I then drifted off as my diaphragm stuck open....
I'd choose a quick Shotgun blast to the roof of my mouth.
From PanPan@yabbs Fri Jul 8 10:05:08 1994
From: PanPan@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: Freezin' or Burnin'
Date: Fri Jul 8 10:05:08 1994
There IS a way to make anything happen by just thinking about it:
Recreational Narcotics! Esp. Hallucinogens!
Acidically yours,
PanPan
From GPF@yabbs Fri Jul 8 11:46:25 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: spontaneous combustion
Date: Fri Jul 8 11:46:25 1994
actually... i think i read a study somewhere where they poured achohol on
mean and tried to set it on fire.... it burned for a few seconds and as
soon as the alcohol had burned off it stopped burning... the meat was only
slightly charred.. nothing like spontateous combustion (i.e. there's
nothing left but ash...) and besides that, you'd have a heart attack from
too much alcohol _long_ before you got enough alcohol in you to cause you
to become flammable...
my $.02
..gpf
From alarm@yabbs Fri Jul 8 15:20:35 1994
From: alarm@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: dead head
Date: Fri Jul 8 15:20:35 1994
Let's say this guy is riding a motorcycle and has an accident. He gets his
head cut off. You go screaming into the middle of the street saying, daddy
daddy, daddy. Then you pick up the head and say, oh, that's not my dad,
he's too short.
alarm
From buzzbomb@yabbs Sat Jul 9 00:43:58 1994
From: buzzbomb@yabbs
To: PanPan@yabbs
Subject: re: Freezin' or Burnin'
Date: Sat Jul 9 00:43:58 1994
yah dude let's get all fucked up and forget all about reality and
the world and all that useless stuff! who cares about losing brain
cells! liver, kidneys? who needs 'em!
From jujubee@yabbs Sat Jul 9 11:33:06 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: re: spontaneous combustion
Date: Sat Jul 9 11:33:06 1994
most alkies' livers kill 'em first.....
From jujubee@yabbs Sat Jul 9 11:34:30 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: alarm@yabbs
Subject: re: dead head
Date: Sat Jul 9 11:34:30 1994
heheheheh! i like your twisted sense of humor, alarm.....add this line to
it------> "then again, i'd BETTER NOT ever catch my dad on a motorcycle!"
heheheheh....
From Jeremiah@yabbs Sat Jul 9 12:14:48 1994
From: Jeremiah@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: Sneezing to Death.
Date: Sat Jul 9 12:14:48 1994
The way my alergies are about now, I expect to be brain dead by next
Thursday...
From Natalie@yabbs Sat Jul 9 16:56:36 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: spontaneous combustion
Date: Sat Jul 9 16:56:36 1994
methinks spontaneuos human combustion is getting smited by god *grin*
so my time should be coming pretty darned soon....
natalie
From Dim@yabbs Sat Jul 9 17:52:55 1994
From: Dim@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: spontaneous combustion
Date: Sat Jul 9 17:52:55 1994
I wouldn't be surprised if people started combusting out on the streets,
with the heat we've been having...
From dmonger@yabbs Sat Jul 9 18:12:17 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: spontaneous combustion
Date: Sat Jul 9 18:12:17 1994
nah nat, i'd never smite you ... you're too much fun
-peter
who is now conviced that he is the messiah
From GPF@yabbs Sat Jul 9 19:09:31 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: spontaneous combustion
Date: Sat Jul 9 19:09:31 1994
really? hmmm.... mabye we should create a religeon called the branch death
mongerians and all the yabbs ppl can move to a bunker in waco and
stockpile artillery and then get in a firefight with the atf and all die
in a big bbq.... oh never mind
...gpf
From Natalie@yabbs Sat Jul 9 19:33:59 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: spontaneous combustion
Date: Sat Jul 9 19:33:59 1994
thanks peter :)
natalie
From Cat@yabbs Sat Jul 9 21:07:10 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: spontaneous combustion
Date: Sat Jul 9 21:07:10 1994
hmmm so peter's god now and you're not going to get smitten smitted
smote..whatever....well i still think it'd be cool to spontaneously
combust...one minute you're sitting there and the next kerplooie...but
when people combust do they explode or just burst into flame? i have
never read much about it and am pretty darn curious. maybe someone should
make a how to guide or something.....
why are you suddenly the messiah peter? because if i've been forced to go
to church all these years to worship you, i feel pretty darn
disillusioned right about now...
-tammie
From dmonger@yabbs Sat Jul 9 23:51:17 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: spontaneous combustion
Date: Sat Jul 9 23:51:17 1994
i love you to tammie
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Jul 10 18:54:03 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: spontaneous combustion
Date: Sun Jul 10 18:54:03 1994
rrrreeeeoow....
ouch..
From Badger01@yabbs Mon Jul 11 19:02:39 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: re: spontaneous combustion
Date: Mon Jul 11 19:02:39 1994
As an "alkie" I have this to say...
"Things fall to shit, so get rid of it,
swallow a pint, and you'll feel better
and your liver tastes too bitter
so drink another anyway."
Badger01
From Badger01@yabbs Mon Jul 11 19:03:45 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: spontaneous combustion
Date: Mon Jul 11 19:03:45 1994
Peter's not the Messiah...
I know...
My Ex-Roommate was the Messiah.
Badger01
From dmonger@yabbs Mon Jul 11 19:40:20 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: spontaneous combustion
Date: Mon Jul 11 19:40:20 1994
well, i guess we'll find out on judgement day just who the real heritics
are, won't we badger?
-peter
From pbj@yabbs Mon Jul 11 22:11:21 1994
From: pbj@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: spontaneous combustion
Date: Mon Jul 11 22:11:21 1994
i think that they had an episode on "Picket Fences" once whe nthe mayor
S.C.ed it twas purty funny...something about stress and alcohol..i dunno
A friend of mine came up with this tripped out theory on spontaneous
combustion it goes something like this.....
90% of your body heat escapes through your head
humans use only 10% of their brain power
therefore if you ever end up using 100 % of your brain power..the amount
of heat that it would create for mthe chemical reactions involved in theat
many thought processes + the great amount of your body heat escaping
throuhg yur head you would spontaneously combust
well we can tell i'm not using even 10% of my brain power at this moment
cause then my typing wouldn't suck so bad...but any way that was his
theory
have funn
pbj
From jujubee@yabbs Tue Jul 12 08:26:53 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: pbj@yabbs
Subject: re: spontaneous combustion
Date: Tue Jul 12 08:26:53 1994
hmmmm...sounds plausible....
From jujubee@yabbs Tue Jul 12 08:27:56 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: spontaneous combustion
Date: Tue Jul 12 08:27:56 1994
heheheheh! i'll have to remember that one, Badger01!!!
From Cat@yabbs Tue Jul 12 10:31:01 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: pbj@yabbs
Subject: re: spontaneous combustion
Date: Tue Jul 12 10:31:01 1994
i saw that episode of picket fences...it really was cool :)
From Jazzy@yabbs Tue Jul 12 15:51:04 1994
From: Jazzy@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: yabbs fest
Date: Tue Jul 12 15:51:04 1994
Who knows about the yabbs fest in September? pLease fill me in on yabbs
or on the mesage base..thanks.
Jazzy
From Badger01@yabbs Tue Jul 12 17:11:57 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: Messiah talk
Date: Tue Jul 12 17:11:57 1994
It takes more than Prophesy to be the Messiah...
Many can be prophets, only one can be the big enchilada...
and Christopher Zammarelli is that man.
Badger01
From Badger01@yabbs Tue Jul 12 17:14:02 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: More Messiah Talk
Date: Tue Jul 12 17:14:02 1994
>well, i guess we'll find out on judgement day just who the real heritics
>are, won't we badger?
Yes, we will. It's Heretics, dude. :)
Seriously, I know Chris was the Messiah...I lived with him for two years,
he didn't kill me...what more proof you need?
Badger01
From dmonger@yabbs Tue Jul 12 17:40:00 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: More Messiah Talk
Date: Tue Jul 12 17:40:00 1994
you didn't know my roommates :)
-peter
From GPF@yabbs Tue Jul 12 17:58:01 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: Messiah talk
Date: Tue Jul 12 17:58:01 1994
oh yeah? well we'll see about that....
*calls on the lightning gods and stuff like that*
From Natalie@yabbs Tue Jul 12 18:30:07 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: spontaneous combustion
Date: Tue Jul 12 18:30:07 1994
NO, *I'M* THE GOD, *I'M* THE GOD!!!!!!!!!!
natalie, aka GOD
From hawke@yabbs Wed Jul 13 02:23:01 1994
From: hawke@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: god?!
Date: Wed Jul 13 02:23:01 1994
Hawke grins evilly you all can argue about which one of you is god ill be
satan!!! hehehe
your obedient servent
Hawke
From alarm@yabbs Wed Jul 13 11:28:05 1994
From: alarm@yabbs
To: hawke@yabbs
Subject: satan
Date: Wed Jul 13 11:28:05 1994
You said you would be satan then you signed off
>your obedient servent
I think satan is supposed to be a disobedient servant or something like
that.
i'm here to sound the,
alarm
From GPF@yabbs Wed Jul 13 11:35:12 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: hawke@yabbs
Subject: re: god?!
Date: Wed Jul 13 11:35:12 1994
i dunno about you but i'll be content to be a dyslexic dog.
...gpf
From PanPan@yabbs Wed Jul 13 12:34:40 1994
From: PanPan@yabbs
To: buzzbomb@yabbs
Subject: re: Freezin' or Burnin'
Date: Wed Jul 13 12:34:40 1994
Chill out, man! I see someone has difficulty taking a joke!
I'm beginning to identify with cosmos, now!
From Badger01@yabbs Wed Jul 13 20:24:43 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: spontaneous combustion
Date: Wed Jul 13 20:24:43 1994
Natalie has the power to decide who lives and who dies.
She's the angry God of the old testament, and wil brook no heresy from us,
her minions on YABBS
Badger01
MST3K has ruined my brain, called me mad, and labled me a charlatan, AND I
LOVE IT! (And the ladies like it too)
From Badger01@yabbs Wed Jul 13 20:25:34 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: re: god?!
Date: Wed Jul 13 20:25:34 1994
Actually, I'm friends with a Narcoleptic dog.
Does that count?
Badger01
From Death@yabbs Thu Jul 14 02:15:33 1994
From: Death@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: god?!
Date: Thu Jul 14 02:15:33 1994
hehehe... I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm content with my
place in the Omniverse... There's only one Death, though there may be many
gods...
*grin*
--Death
From Cat@yabbs Thu Jul 14 15:34:00 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Death@yabbs
Subject: re: god?!
Date: Thu Jul 14 15:34:00 1994
we each may only have one death...but there are many many different ways
to die
-tammie (who plans on going out with a bang not a whimper)
:grins at nat...see even eliot was into spontaneous combustion
From dmonger@yabbs Thu Jul 14 18:22:58 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: god?!
Date: Thu Jul 14 18:22:58 1994
some want to go out with a bang
some want to go out with a whimper
me, i want to go out with a brain hemmorage
-peter
who thinks it would be cool to bleed out of every opening in his head
at the same time
From Cat@yabbs Fri Jul 15 12:23:38 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: bleeding
Date: Fri Jul 15 12:23:38 1994
sure, that'd be lovely....if you did it right you could look like a fountain
speaking of...
i was in this funky new age store and they were selling rubber brains and
eyeballs and such in one section and for the display they had this mannequin
with no arms and her hair in curlers dressed in white laying on a bed
with all the eyeballs and stuff as well as some coloring anatony books
all over the bed. it looks really neat.
they also had this room set up with all sorts of bug stuff, like bug jars
and bug hand puppets (the ant and cockroach ones were really cool) and
they had a live tarantula....
and another one set up with glow in the dark stuff and lava lamps and
once with the pop art stuff like warhol and another one set up like a
jungle. there were hardly any lights in the place and it was kinda creepy
but really really cool at the same time. lots of toys to play with. i'll
show it to you, you'd like it. the whole place was one big visual mind
game..set up to make people feel uncomfortable..wish there were more
stores like that around
-tammie
From jujubee@yabbs Fri Jul 15 13:02:39 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: bleeding
Date: Fri Jul 15 13:02:39 1994
=^^= :
where was this store??? sounds like my kinda store!
i remember when i bought some fake barf...i had a party one night and put
it by the toilet...a few ppl fell for it! it looked pretty realistic!
gross, huh?
i just can't kick the practical joker in me!
From dmonger@yabbs Fri Jul 15 13:44:17 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: re: bleeding
Date: Fri Jul 15 13:44:17 1994
In message re: bleeding, jujubee said:
> i just can't kick the practical joker in me!
would you like me to ???? :)
-peter
From Cat@yabbs Fri Jul 15 14:19:01 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: re: bleeding
Date: Fri Jul 15 14:19:01 1994
In message re: bleeding, jujubee said:
> where was this store??? sounds like my kinda store!
downtown burlington....it was called boomers i think...new store...it was
really
really neat...i'll buy you something from there and send it :) they
wouldn't let me hold the tarantula tho...and it looks so soft and furry too
wow i actually found a cool place in burlington :)
-tammie
From jujubee@yabbs Fri Jul 15 18:40:22 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: bleeding
Date: Fri Jul 15 18:40:22 1994
jujubee thinks it over....decides it's worth a try....assumes "kickee"
position.....
while in
"kickee" position...jujubee ponders the thought some more...decides
against it.....she stands up RIGHT IN THE NICK OF TIME! as she sees
dmonger sauntering toward her w/his shiny new spikey-looking
cockroach-in-the-corner-killer boots on......*YIPES!*
jujubee takes off running faster than one can say "Yup, i think OJ did
it!"
*Phew!* that was a close call...i think i like myself JUST the way i
am....
jujubee skips merrily on her way....
From jujubee@yabbs Fri Jul 15 18:41:00 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: bleeding
Date: Fri Jul 15 18:41:00 1994
so there IS hope for burlington, eh? *8^]
From dmonger@yabbs Fri Jul 15 20:56:23 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: b & b
Date: Fri Jul 15 20:56:23 1994
any one notice how close barney and barbie are to the same name?
i think its a conspiricy.
-peter
From Cat@yabbs Sat Jul 16 09:45:36 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Sat Jul 16 09:45:36 1994
i was looking at an old book of 50 years of barbie (don't ask why) and
they had hippie barbies, which were really funny and kinda cool. except
ken with a blond afro which looked completely ridiculous
and as for barney, i still think he should be dropped into jurassic park
college students everywhere are beating up on people dressed up to play
barney in malls...can you imagine how a little kid feels to see someone
beat up on his hero? tho i bet it was funny as hell..kinda mean tho. why
is it that everyone hates barney (me included) but no one seems to
complain about big bird? i think it's barney's voice...or maybe the kids
he co stars with...the kids on sesame st are much cooler :) jim henson is
probably the reason no one wants to lynch cookie monster
-tammie
From Natalie@yabbs Sat Jul 16 15:50:06 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: spontaneous combustion
Date: Sat Jul 16 15:50:06 1994
you got it, bud
natalie
From Natalie@yabbs Sat Jul 16 15:50:41 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: god?!
Date: Sat Jul 16 15:50:41 1994
but yeats was into monkey balls....
*grin*
natalie
From Natalie@yabbs Sat Jul 16 15:53:22 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Sat Jul 16 15:53:22 1994
anyone else see the barney game for the sega genesis? i was in a target in
colorado (yes, i'm still on vacation) and they had it on demo, and we were
playing it...it was so sickeningly sweet i wanted to vomit...
BARNEY IS THE ANTICHRIST!!!!!
natalie, who executed barney in play doh effigy last summer
(i have photos)
From GPF@yabbs Sat Jul 16 18:46:03 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Sat Jul 16 18:46:03 1994
gif! gif! gif!
From dmonger@yabbs Sat Jul 16 21:03:36 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Sat Jul 16 21:03:36 1994
ah, but do you own a headless barney dall?
i put the head back on with aflashlight inside and made a
bareny o'lantern
-peter
From htoaster@yabbs Sat Jul 16 21:09:37 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Sat Jul 16 21:09:37 1994
In message re: b & b, Cat said:
> i was looking at an old book of 50 years of barbie (don't ask why)
i think barbie is only 34 years old (1960 was her birthday i think)...there
was an article about it in smithsonian around 1990 (on her birthday)...
alex
ps. what wierd stuff gets stuck in my mind...
From BlueMax@yabbs Sun Jul 17 08:14:05 1994
From: BlueMax@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Barney
Date: Sun Jul 17 08:14:05 1994
hehe...anybody remember the name of the patch to get barny for DOOM!
hehe....just wondering....
g'day all...
blue.
From Natalie@yabbs Sun Jul 17 14:41:19 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Sun Jul 17 14:41:19 1994
i sent my best friend s&m barney for xmas last year...it was cool...
natalie
From Cat@yabbs Sun Jul 17 21:06:47 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Sun Jul 17 21:06:47 1994
In message re: b & b, htoaster said:
> i think barbie is only 34 years old (1960 was her birthday i think)...there
> was an article about it in smithsonian around 1990 (on her birthday)...
grrr you and kelly both...always ready to nail me on a technicality
blaaaaaaaaaaah
-tammie
(who stills thinks she can be a UNIX command even if she happened to
spell Cat with an uppercase c)
From jujubee@yabbs Wed Jul 20 08:10:54 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Wed Jul 20 08:10:54 1994
ummmm.....i think she was born sometime in the '50s...my sister had one
and it looked pretty '50s-ish to me....anyhow...who knows? could be
wrong...
damn! how does she keep such a great figure for sooooooo long????
From htoaster@yabbs Wed Jul 20 13:27:51 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Wed Jul 20 13:27:51 1994
how has she managed to stay 6'4" and 120 pounds (or something like that if
you blew her up to real size)...who knows...why any parent would buy their
kid such a toy is beyond me...
i'm almost 95% sure 1960 was her brithday though...
alex
From Steyr@yabbs Thu Jul 21 02:37:58 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Thu Jul 21 02:37:58 1994
Well I guess she maintains her figure through a careful diet. Come to
think of it ... I've never really seen her eat much :)
Gee, and I guess barby dolls don't really help the
blondes-are-not-all-airheads cause much. Ever cracked a barby open ?
Totally empty inside :)
I guess that means (to the woe of millions of little kids) that Barby is
really just a heartless bitch, and not the wonderful character she is made
out to be. :)
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
From topi@yabbs Thu Jul 21 07:23:15 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Thu Jul 21 07:23:15 1994
Oooooohhhh! :I
.me kicks Steyr.
How dare you rag on Barbie! She's a pure legend. She was my best friend
so :P
:(
-Cath :)
From Badger01@yabbs Thu Jul 21 09:17:50 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Thu Jul 21 09:17:50 1994
And she TASTES good, too. :}
Seriously, what is the deal with Barbie? Is the moral here that brains are
optional for girls? That large breasts are the only desireable quality?
That performing surgery or waliking on the moon in high heels is the wave
of the future? (Dr. Barbie, you dropped the forceps in Mr. Johnson's
BRAINPAN! {Oh well.})
I'm sorry, but the only thing I can say about Barbie is....
SHE BLOW UP REEEEEAL GOOD! (Shows you how I spent some of My misbegotten
youth, huh?)
Badger01
From H.P.@yabbs Thu Jul 21 14:59:05 1994
From: H.P.@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Thu Jul 21 14:59:05 1994
The only thing Barbi is good for are SoundGarden videos.
From Steyr@yabbs Thu Jul 21 22:02:03 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: H.P.@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Thu Jul 21 22:02:03 1994
Naah. Barby DOES have a real, practical use. She's good for keeping
pesky, annoying little kids out of their mothers hair for a while.
*Ouch* !! A thought just hit me ...
Perhaps Barby is the main driving force behind womens liberation ! Little
kids grew up with a Barby that could do all these wonderful things (had
her own car/mansion/man-slave(Ken)), and then when the kids grew up, they
wanted to be just like Barby - i.e. have a high powered executive job
instead of staying at home as the old fashioned faithful housewife.
Still ... I don't remember there ever being an Air Force Pilot Barby.
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
From jujubee@yabbs Thu Jul 21 22:07:06 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Thu Jul 21 22:07:06 1994
only thing I ever remember Barbie doing is shopping... :)
and, of course, teasing man-slave, Ken...
From Natalie@yabbs Fri Jul 22 00:10:48 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Fri Jul 22 00:10:48 1994
anyone notice that barbie has gotten stoooopid in the last few years? all
her clothes and stuff are all pink & frilly, not like whn i was little at
all...barbie used to have a lot more variety than she does now...*sigh*
anyone else see the mcdonald's barbies? now THERE'S a scary thought
natalie
From jujubee@yabbs Fri Jul 22 08:53:42 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Fri Jul 22 08:53:42 1994
funny, i remember barbie having tons of pink frilly clothes when i was a
kid...i also remember her having a variety of skin tones and hair
colors/styles...
mcdonald's barbies??? that's a new one on me...does she flip burgers or
what?
From topi@yabbs Fri Jul 22 09:31:42 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Fri Jul 22 09:31:42 1994
Hmm... is there anything wrong with womens liberation?? Just the way you
talked about it... ;)
Anyway, my Barbies never did anything but try on a hundred different
outfits a day! :)
Thanks for stirring all these memories... :)
-Cath.
(btw, :)
From topi@yabbs Fri Jul 22 09:52:08 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: something of interest..
Date: Fri Jul 22 09:52:08 1994
When I was growing up, around the age of 14/15, there was a group of us
girls sitting around and dreaming about what wonderful riches we would
have when we "grew up". It was the usual thing, a HUGE house, servants,
lots of clothes and jewels etc.....
One of my friends pointed out how we would have to set out to find
ourselves rich husbands to provide all this for us. It was at this moment
(and due to some recent letdowns in my young life), that I decided that I
was NOT going to rely on someone else to provide for all my wants. That
the only way I was going to be assured of getting what I wanted, was to go
out and get it for myself. So thats when I knew I had to get a good, rich
job. Thats why I'm going to be an engineer.(well, not All the reasons..)
The thing is, that was a crucial turning point in my life, something
snapped, and it all happened within this on minute and I completely
remember it all. I just wondered if anybody else has had any experiences
like that, and of what has motivated the rest of you into doing what you
are doing at the moment, or have chosen to do in your futures.
-Cath.
From Cat@yabbs Fri Jul 22 10:19:07 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Fri Jul 22 10:19:07 1994
hmmm i had 2 barbies that gramma gave me. one of them i tried to wash her
hair and it all melted when i tried to blow dry it, and the other one i
tied her hair in knots and gave her to my sister to play with. i hated
barbie...:) i played with my stuffed anuimals and transformers and voltron
toys instead.
-tammie
From Cat@yabbs Fri Jul 22 10:24:12 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: something of interest..
Date: Fri Jul 22 10:24:12 1994
hmm interesting topic...well the reason i decided to work towards being an
english teacher...
when i was little, my favorite things were animals and books. i used to
want to be a veteranarian until a) i volunteered at the vet's and burst
into tears whenever something had to be put to sleep, b)went to hs and
discovered my mathematical and scientific abilities were non-existant and
c)went to a blood drive and found out i faint at the sight of blood...that
ruled out being a vet, so i thought about what kind of career i could have
with books and decided i would teach them. people also facinate me so i
thought being a teacher would be a good idea and here i am, going into my
second year of studying english and education at uvm...well that's about
it :)
-tammie
From Pele@yabbs Fri Jul 22 11:57:04 1994
From: Pele@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: something of interest..
Date: Fri Jul 22 11:57:04 1994
My life is a sine curve of turning points!
Good story though....and good for you!
From Pele@yabbs Fri Jul 22 12:02:46 1994
From: Pele@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: something of interest..
Date: Fri Jul 22 12:02:46 1994
I just thought of an importan turning point in my life though. Why I want
to be a nuclear physicist:
When I was about 11/12 I got really sick (never knew what it was) and I
was in bed for about two or three months. During that time, I got into
reading lots of books. Well I was looking for the word elephant in the
encyclopedia and found the word electron on the way. I read up on it and
was intantly facinated.
And adult friend of mine gave me a copy of "A Brief History of Time," a
then newly released book by Stephen Hawking and told me that it was
designied for the layman to understand. I read it and understood nothing.
At that point, I decided tthat I will learn it all
Hence, my field of study
Pele
From htoaster@yabbs Fri Jul 22 12:42:36 1994
From: htoaster@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: something of interest..
Date: Fri Jul 22 12:42:36 1994
i did computer science because it was something i enjoyed doing and it just
seemed like a logical major. the only other thing that ever caught my fancy
enough to make me consider majoring in it was photography, but that never
happened...i can't even minor in it at carnegie mellon (probably good anyway).
now i get sick of computers a lot of the time :)
anyway, how many people out there have chosen their major based on the
money that it will bring them in the future. does money really matter enough
to base a career on? i mean, can the difference between comfortable and rich
really make ones life a lot happier?
poor + happy > rich + lonely
and who said i sucked at math? (well, cmu does)
alex
From dmonger@yabbs Fri Jul 22 13:31:12 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Fri Jul 22 13:31:12 1994
oh tammie, we know your parents wouldn't let you have transformers or voltron
toys, cause they're evil just like cable :)
-peter
From dmonger@yabbs Fri Jul 22 13:33:45 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: something of interest..
Date: Fri Jul 22 13:33:45 1994
i guess i'm in computer engineering cause computers really interest me and i'm
always curious as to how things work.
seemed like a nice combination of the two.
-peter
From Death@yabbs Fri Jul 22 13:36:12 1994
From: Death@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: something of interest..
Date: Fri Jul 22 13:36:12 1994
Hmm.. Well, I guess you could say that I decided what I was going to do
when I was about 10. I've always been fascinated with the way things work,
and how to make them work better. When I was 10, I got my first _real_
computer (ie not a commiedore :) and it truly fascinated me. Since then, I
have endeavoured to learn all that I could about computers, both hardware
and software. Now I know a heck of a lot more than I did then, although I
still don't know at least twice as much as I DO know, and I'm not really
sick of 'puters yet. My problem, however, is that I'm also interested in a
few hundred other things, some of them almost as much as I'm interested in
'puters. For instance, I got a 5 on the AP English test as easily as I
did on the Comp. Science test... It makes deciding what I really want to
do in life a bitch, but I think for now at least I'll stay with 'puters.
--Les
From Cat@yabbs Fri Jul 22 14:36:41 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Fri Jul 22 14:36:41 1994
In message re: b & b, dmonger said:
> oh tammie, we know your parents wouldn't let you have transformers or voltron
> toys, cause they're evil just like cable :)
of course i had transformers..they're more than meets the eye. :) i had
soundwave..he was really cool...he turned into a tape deck and he came
with "tapes" that transformed into a cat and a bird. i had the blue and
red voltron lions..which kinda sucked since all i could make was a foot
and an arm..not the whole voltron. so :P
they just never let me have smurfs.
-tammie
From Badger01@yabbs Fri Jul 22 14:41:51 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: Death@yabbs
Subject: re: something of interest..
Date: Fri Jul 22 14:41:51 1994
Why do I want to be a Writer?
I don't.
Then why am I pursuing that career?
I must.
Badger01
From Death@yabbs Fri Jul 22 15:07:43 1994
From: Death@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Fri Jul 22 15:07:43 1994
hehehe... I had that transformer too. I'm amazed to find out that another
child in the universe liked Voltron though! ;> I actually got my mother to
buy me all 5 lions :>
--Les
From jujubee@yabbs Fri Jul 22 18:06:17 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: something of interest..
Date: Fri Jul 22 18:06:17 1994
hmmmm....good topic! i'll respond to it later...
From jujubee@yabbs Fri Jul 22 18:07:55 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Fri Jul 22 18:07:55 1994
i had a bejillion barbies! my aunt worked at a toy store....i tried to
iron the "Dawn" doll's hair...man did you ever see a kid run into the
bathroom w/ajax as fast as i did! i got all the melted plastic off, thank
heaven! how dumb, eh? but i had heard that you could iron hair! i just
didn't know you couldn't iron synthetic hair! gotta love childhood
innocence! :)
From jujubee@yabbs Fri Jul 22 18:09:10 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: Pele@yabbs
Subject: re: something of interest..
Date: Fri Jul 22 18:09:10 1994
did you ever see the film of "A Brief History of Time"? ...pretty
interesting...
From Natalie@yabbs Fri Jul 22 19:10:20 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Fri Jul 22 19:10:20 1994
my barbies did all kinds of fun things. like i'd borrow my sister's ken
and have them go out on a date. they'd have dinner, then ken would drop
off barbie at her place, and the next day barbie'd be 9 months preggers...
or i'd borrow her ken and play barbie torture chamber...all my barbies
naked up against the sofa, armstied above their heads, with ken walking up
and down in front ofthem with a whip....oh, those were the days...
natalie, a very twisted child
From pbj@yabbs Fri Jul 22 19:11:37 1994
From: pbj@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Fri Jul 22 19:11:37 1994
well all i can say is that no matter how outcast i felt as a child i am
so glad that i wan't allowed to have barbie dolls....if you think about it
they are kind of a drug...all you want is more...anyway..barbie sucks and
i would much rather play with my tranformers too...i was alwyas the yellow
VW bug when we played it wit hthe littel boys on the playground during
recess...ah yes the good ole days...when i was surrounded with boys to do
my bidding...*evil laugh*
pbj aweburning mirrors colleen marie
From Natalie@yabbs Fri Jul 22 19:11:53 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: something of interest..
Date: Fri Jul 22 19:11:53 1994
i never thought i needed to get a rich huisband or whatever to provide for
me. i've always dreamed of being totally self sufficient...i don't like a
lot of ppl and i sure as hell don't want to have to rely on any more than
i have to...doesthat make any sense?
natalie
From pbj@yabbs Fri Jul 22 19:15:03 1994
From: pbj@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: re: something of interest..
Date: Fri Jul 22 19:15:03 1994
well i have always wavered from what i wanted to be when i "grew up"
(aww do i have to???????) but hte onething that has always stuck with me
was wanting to be a chef..who knows maybe i will be if i ever get my butt
in gear.....
aweburning pbj mirrors colleen marie
From Natalie@yabbs Fri Jul 22 19:17:16 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: something of interest..
Date: Fri Jul 22 19:17:16 1994
i'm an english major cause that's all i'm really good at...well, actually,
i'm damned good at biology, but you have to take a lot of math to get a
degree in that and i suck at math, so...but books are my first love. i've
been reading since iwas 3 years old...i remember when i was 5 and
discovered nancy drew and the bobbsey twins. i was in heaven...i went
through a nother epiphany of that sort when i was in high school
and discovered sci fi...especially robert heinlein. it's kind of funny
tho...my reading is really varied...i don't have a lot of depth in any one
area...i've read a medieval stuff, renaissance stuff, the romantics, yeats
(of course), and a lot of genre writing...i managed to completely skip the
enlightenment ad the victorians...the thing about my interest in sci fi is
weird tho...i always hated it until i was in 9th grade and we were camping
one weekend, and it was raining, and i had finished all the books i had
brought with me (jean auel books if i remember right). the only thing
left to read was some sci fi that my dad was reading. so i read it (cause
if i get bored enough i'll read anything) and was hooked....
natalie
From Zbadba@yabbs Fri Jul 22 19:42:20 1994
From: Zbadba@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: What am I doing?
Date: Fri Jul 22 19:42:20 1994
I have always been fascinated with the technical, for many reasons. For
one, I've been using computers since I was 5 or so. It didn't take me long
to realize I knew more than my parents about computers, and
to realize I knew more than my parents about these machines. This gave me
a certain power... maybe that's why I love computers. Those who are in the
know have the power. I still feel a sense of pride when I hack out a good
snatch of code.
I was well on my way to CS or ECE, but then I was asked to do sound for a
school theatre production, and that was it. I got hooked into the theatre.
It allowed me to do technical work, but in addition to the pride I get
when I do a good design, I also get the rush of a live production. Though
I know I am probably be dirt poor for a long time after I graduate, I'm
not concerned. Ht said it well with poor+happy > rich+unhappy.
From dmonger@yabbs Fri Jul 22 20:45:44 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Death@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Fri Jul 22 20:45:44 1994
aw man, voltron was great
-peter
From dmonger@yabbs Fri Jul 22 20:46:42 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Fri Jul 22 20:46:42 1994
you were innocent once?
you learn something new every day
-peter
From jujubee@yabbs Fri Jul 22 22:20:27 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: pbj@yabbs
Subject: re: something of interest..
Date: Fri Jul 22 22:20:27 1994
c00l...ever need a taste tester....here i am!
From jujubee@yabbs Fri Jul 22 22:21:33 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Fri Jul 22 22:21:33 1994
i used to take the heads off of barbie and ken and switch em...also off
the ummmm....multi-cultural barbies and kens...i used to switch those,
too...what fun!
From H.P.@yabbs Fri Jul 22 23:09:02 1994
From: H.P.@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Fri Jul 22 23:09:02 1994
Yeah, but recently they've been mutated into those Mighty Morphin'
Monkey Molesters or whatever. It's my dream for that company to get sued
for copyright infringment or whatever the hell it is called.
From H.P.@yabbs Fri Jul 22 23:09:33 1994
From: H.P.@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Fri Jul 22 23:09:33 1994
And you're sure this was before Rising Sun became a movie? :)
From Phreddie@yabbs Sat Jul 23 02:01:19 1994
From: Phreddie@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: b & b
Date: Sat Jul 23 02:01:19 1994
Hehe.. I remember I had all the Voltrol lions.. then my brother lost teh
black one, so I couln't put'em together.. then I remember being grounded
for pummeling him till he bled :)..
ack, you know why you didn't have smurfs.. because they're satanic and
evil just like Barney..so they say :)
From Badger01@yabbs Mon Jul 25 10:43:52 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: My sick and tisted life
Date: Mon Jul 25 10:43:52 1994
I should be on an episode of RED DWARF
Listen to this:
This weeken, I was paid a visit by a friend who lives on Cape Cod
(The Cape, for those of you unfamiliar)
and the NEXT THING I KNOW He dragged me to a twon in Maine he'd ALWAYS
WANTED TO VISIT! WE WERE LOST IN MAINE!!!
AAAAHHAHAHAHA
Ah. I feel better now.
Badger01
From Cat@yabbs Mon Jul 25 17:12:55 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: My sick and tisted life
Date: Mon Jul 25 17:12:55 1994
maine...the only state in this union that's more dull and humdrum than
here in vt.
my condolences
-tammie
From dmonger@yabbs Mon Jul 25 20:15:53 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: My sick and tisted life
Date: Mon Jul 25 20:15:53 1994
does that mean the high point of my vacation is gonna be a trip to Burlington
ugh :)
-peter
From subvrtUS@yabbs Mon Jul 25 22:44:33 1994
From: subvrtUS@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: So what do I have?
Date: Mon Jul 25 22:44:33 1994
this can be implying that you are superior, since you (maybe
unconsciously) remove yourself from typical human interaction. I am not
condemning you, just offering a possible analysis of what you write about.
Do you really care about these problems or wish to dedicate your life to
overcoming them, or are you just here for the ride?
From Death@yabbs Tue Jul 26 01:02:32 1994
From: Death@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: My sick and tisted life
Date: Tue Jul 26 01:02:32 1994
You've obviously never been out West... Nothin' but corn...
Now THAT's boring.
*grin*
--Les
From Natalie@yabbs Tue Jul 26 01:22:18 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Death@yabbs
Subject: re: My sick and tisted life
Date: Tue Jul 26 01:22:18 1994
wyoming is pretty cool.....but nebraska is BORING....i thought i was gonna
die....but i loved wyoming...*sigh*
natalie
From Death@yabbs Tue Jul 26 01:49:02 1994
From: Death@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: My sick and tisted life
Date: Tue Jul 26 01:49:02 1994
hehehe I was pretty much talking about those great Nebraska cornfields...
:>
--Les
From pbj@yabbs Tue Jul 26 03:36:47 1994
From: pbj@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: new mind game
Date: Tue Jul 26 03:36:47 1994
have you ever tried this one?????
as you drive down the street and see a pedestrian in the distance coming
you're way think of this ...honk as you pass the mand wave excitedly the
other way......it's funn
hehehe
pbj
Mirrors
Colleen Marie
AWEBURNING!!!!!!!
From jujubee@yabbs Tue Jul 26 08:44:42 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: Death@yabbs
Subject: re: My sick and tisted life
Date: Tue Jul 26 08:44:42 1994
i beg to differ! my aunt and uncle live up in the mountains in
Colorado...plenty to do there! corn is in the midwest...the great plains!
so there, death! :P
:)
From Cat@yabbs Tue Jul 26 11:48:49 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: pbj@yabbs
Subject: re: new mind game
Date: Tue Jul 26 11:48:49 1994
In message new mind game, pbj said:
> as you drive down the street and see a pedestrian in the distance coming
> you're way think of this ...honk as you pass the mand wave excitedly the
>other way...it's fun
:looks pointedly at ducky. seeeee there are some other people who like
fooling around and honking car horns, so it's not just me
hey pbj, i'd love to go riding around in a car with you. i bet we could
have oodles of fun :)
-tammie
From pbj@yabbs Wed Jul 27 02:17:34 1994
From: pbj@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: new mind game
Date: Wed Jul 27 02:17:34 1994
hey chica haven't seen you on in quoet a awhile..*hugs*
well how knows maybee we will if i can convince my dumb-ass father to let
me have aplane twicket to yabbsfest..he's such a dork about htese things
...it's not like he odesn't have a million frequenbt flyer ones along with
hotel rooms too..oh well
Colleen Marie mirrors Aweburning pbj
From hawke@yabbs Wed Jul 27 03:41:15 1994
From: hawke@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: new mind game
Date: Wed Jul 27 03:41:15 1994
heres a variation off of the mind game pbj mentioned this also works for
other cars
when you see someone honk then point and laugh at them when they look.
hawke
From Cat@yabbs Wed Jul 27 17:27:45 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: hawke@yabbs
Subject: re: new mind game
Date: Wed Jul 27 17:27:45 1994
i like to sit in the last seat on a bus and look out the back window at
the people in cars behind me. i stare at them for a while and it makes
them nervous. people are so funny.
-tammie
From dmonger@yabbs Thu Jul 28 09:17:16 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: hawke@yabbs
Subject: re: new mind game
Date: Thu Jul 28 09:17:16 1994
or a better one that i'm still working on.
pick one friend of yours, someone kind of goofy looking (like my friend sam
greenfield).
now try to convince everyone on campus to point at him and laugh when they see
him. Feel free to do this yourself, out windows, across football fields, just
whenever you see him, point and laugh loudly.
its fun
too bad i haven't convinced that many people to join in
-peter
From dmonger@yabbs Thu Jul 28 09:17:47 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: new mind game
Date: Thu Jul 28 09:17:47 1994
you think it scares them when you do it deer.
:)
-peter
From Badger01@yabbs Thu Jul 28 13:08:13 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: new mind game
Date: Thu Jul 28 13:08:13 1994
Take the berries that grow on Rosevines..(Red ones)
Smear them on your face, then scream
THE BLOOD!!!! and run around.
Arboretum crowds will stampeded if you do this right.
Tried it yesterday..it does work.
Badger01
From dmonger@yabbs Thu Jul 28 14:49:41 1994
From: dmonger@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: new mind game
Date: Thu Jul 28 14:49:41 1994
nah i like to be more subtle.
walk into a room full of people (like the newspaper office at your local
school) .... look for someone you know.
walk up to them, rub your head (its best if you use the top of your head
rather than, say, your nose which would make this a much more disgusting
trick) against their shoulder and make purring noisess.
walk out ... don't say a word
Its even better if your friend knows this is going to happen and just smiles
at all the people staring at him/her then goes back to work silently
-peter
From Cat@yabbs Thu Jul 28 20:59:31 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: new mind game
Date: Thu Jul 28 20:59:31 1994
no it doesn't scare anyone...the only way i can scre people when i ride
in cars and such is if i honk the horn really loud in a crowded area.
:)
tammie
From jujubee@yabbs Fri Jul 29 08:23:32 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: new mind game
Date: Fri Jul 29 08:23:32 1994
well, it drives ME nuts when ppl do that...especially little kids on
school buses...or little kids in the backs of station wagons...
From pbj@yabbs Fri Jul 29 16:03:58 1994
From: pbj@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: re: new mind game
Date: Fri Jul 29 16:03:58 1994
that is really mean!!!!!
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Jul 31 10:48:31 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: re: new mind game
Date: Sun Jul 31 10:48:31 1994
er tam,
heh - thankgod its gonna be claude's car and not mine, i might decide to
jog around Burlington instead while you gals toot yer horns at people..
*chuckle*
an' no "let's run Deaska over" mind games while yer at it either :P
*hugs*
D'
From Death@yabbs Mon Aug 1 02:23:12 1994
From: Death@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: re: My sick and tisted life
Date: Mon Aug 1 02:23:12 1994
I stand corrected :> I was just being sarcastic anyways. sheesh!
--Les
From pbj@yabbs Mon Aug 1 03:41:29 1994
From: pbj@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: a new mind game
Date: Mon Aug 1 03:41:29 1994
hey try this one next time you wanna freak somebuddy out on yabbs....
get a pad of paper if you need one and typr in everything you want ot say
totally backwards...it's fun!!!!
especially if somebuddy knows waht youare doing and you carry on a
conversation backwards in fornt of everybudyy...oh well guess you really
cna't do it any more can you????
oh well try it on a different bbs.....
etin etin dna nnuf evah
jbp
eiram neelloc
srorrim
gninrubewa
!!!!!!!eheheh
From Hrothgar@yabbs Mon Aug 1 15:18:35 1994
From: Hrothgar@yabbs
To: dmonger@yabbs
Subject: old mind game
Date: Mon Aug 1 15:18:35 1994
peter,
My friend does something similar, though not in any affectionate way.....
The guy doesn't like to study, or at least, not when everyone else does.
He walks into random rooms, usually people he knows, stands in the
doorway, and stares at the rooms occupants for, oh, a good 15-20 seconds.
Usually he says nothing, sometimes he says, "just wanted to see how y'all
were doing." Sometimes he comes in laughing, stops cold in the doorway,
stops laughing and stares, for a few seconds, then as he leaves begins his
maniacal laughing again. Very strange guy, don't you agree?
From Badger01@yabbs Mon Aug 1 19:00:18 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: Hrothgar@yabbs
Subject: re: old mind game
Date: Mon Aug 1 19:00:18 1994
That's not strange, Hrothgar (Cool name, BTW), that's perfectly normal.
Strange is when you do all that you mentioned, and then begin an organized
academic debate with the faeries that live in your skull about the nature
of light near a black hole.
Badger01
"FLYING ELVES ARE BACK!"
From Hrothgar@yabbs Mon Aug 1 19:59:41 1994
From: Hrothgar@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: light near a black hole
Date: Mon Aug 1 19:59:41 1994
Oh, so you're calling that strange are you?
Hey Hrothgar, did you hear that, this guy's calling you strange! Of all
the nerve! He doesn't even know you and he's making presumptions!
Badger, Hrothgar says "thank you."
From icebox@yabbs Tue Aug 2 16:02:22 1994
From: icebox@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: A serious THINKING JOKE !!
Date: Tue Aug 2 16:02:22 1994
You and your spouse are on the 28th floor together in a high-rise.
You kiss GOODBYE. This is the norm. However, the next day, you do the
same thing thing, but as you travel down the elevator, the lights go out
all over the building. Your spouse - is dead. How would you know
immediately? (Betcha can't guess the answer!)
From jujubee@yabbs Tue Aug 2 17:34:48 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: icebox@yabbs
Subject: re: A serious THINKING JOKE !!
Date: Tue Aug 2 17:34:48 1994
uhhhhh....are you guys together in the elevator??? are you still
kissing???
perhaps the spouse's tongue stops working??? heheheh...
sorry, i think i need more info on this one! :)
From pbj@yabbs Tue Aug 2 23:45:20 1994
From: pbj@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: another one...
Date: Tue Aug 2 23:45:20 1994
stop me if you hve heard this one......
a man is sitting in his car...the car is parked...the man has been
shot while sitting in the car...all of the windows are up and the doors
are shut and locked....there are no holes in the car or the windows...
how was he shot?????....by the way...he is alone in the car..
hehehe
have funn....
pbj
Colleen Marie
mirrors
Aweburning
From Hrothgar@yabbs Tue Aug 2 23:51:12 1994
From: Hrothgar@yabbs
To: icebox@yabbs
Subject: good question
Date: Tue Aug 2 23:51:12 1994
I think I got it, ice-man, but to keep the suspense for the rest, I'll
send you a pesonal message in the message box.
Great question, by the way, took me awhile to figger it out.
Hrothgar
From Hrothgar@yabbs Tue Aug 2 23:56:14 1994
From: Hrothgar@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: another one...
Date: Tue Aug 2 23:56:14 1994
Sort of a similar question, here goes...
A man has been shot, not by his own hand. He is in a room alone, just a
bullet through his head. There is one door, double locked from the
inside. The window is also shut, and is too small for a man to crawl
through it. The only item in the room is a broken pencil.
What happened?
Haven't figured the other murder problem out yet...
Hrothgar
From Badger01@yabbs Wed Aug 3 08:53:17 1994
From: Badger01@yabbs
To: pbj@yabbs
Subject: re: another one...
Date: Wed Aug 3 08:53:17 1994
Well, it COULD be self inflicted...
Badger01
From Deaska@yabbs Wed Aug 3 10:48:05 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: another one...
Date: Wed Aug 3 10:48:05 1994
argh!! this is too much
*headbutt*
*headbutt*
*headbutt*
*headbutt*
:)
keep 'em coming, I'm enjoying this
D'
From Zbadba@yabbs Wed Aug 3 11:39:39 1994
From: Zbadba@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: so far..
Date: Wed Aug 3 11:39:39 1994
So far I think I know the answers to all three, but I'm not gonna be a
butthole just yet and post them publicly.
From Natalie@yabbs Wed Aug 3 16:01:32 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Zbadba@yabbs
Subject: re: so far..
Date: Wed Aug 3 16:01:32 1994
blah, i'm just no good at games like that so i don't even try anymore.
*sigh*
natalie
From Typhon@yabbs Thu Aug 4 20:58:53 1994
From: Typhon@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: so far..
Date: Thu Aug 4 20:58:53 1994
The trees are what they are I'm what I am or What.
From pbj@yabbs Fri Aug 5 01:24:01 1994
From: pbj@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: another one...
Date: Fri Aug 5 01:24:01 1994
okey dokey....i will tell ya'll what i told hrothgar in my return mail....
1) it was not self inflicted...he did not commit suicide in other words
2/ there were no firearms in the car with him...
3) did i say this already???? he is alone in the car
hehehe you guys are gonna kill yourselves when i tell you what
happened.....
hehehe
pbj ( who is dying of laughter at the moment)
colleen marie
aweburning
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From icebox@yabbs Fri Aug 5 18:57:56 1994
From: icebox@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: re: A serious THINKING JOKE !!
Date: Fri Aug 5 18:57:56 1994
OK. You are kissing you wife on the 28th floor, and then - you leave.
This is an everyday job - you're married!
However, on the next following day, you kiss her goodbye and while
travelling to the lobby via elevator, it stops: on the 7th floor.
You know automatically that you wife is dead. You job is to figure
out how.
From icebox@yabbs Fri Aug 5 19:04:57 1994
From: icebox@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: THINKING JOKE ANSWERED !!
Date: Fri Aug 5 19:04:57 1994
Somebody has figured it out .... and when you guys figure it is
going to kick you.
From Xela@yabbs Sat Aug 6 01:05:50 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: icebox@yabbs
Subject: another lateral puzzle
Date: Sat Aug 6 01:05:50 1994
A police officer saw a truck driver clearly going the wrong way down a
one-way street, but did not try to stop him. Why not?
When this book came out it was read by a handful of very rich people. Now
almost everyone has a copy and frequently reads it. But you cannot buyt
it in a bookstore or borrow it from a library. What is it?
A woman walked up to a man behind a counter and handed him a book. He
looked at it and said, "That will be four dollars and fifty cents." She
paid the man and then walked out without the book. He saw herleave
without it but did not call her back. How come?
X
From topi@yabbs Sat Aug 6 11:49:05 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: icebox@yabbs
Subject: re: A serious THINKING JOKE !!
Date: Sat Aug 6 11:49:05 1994
She's the lift operator?
From topi@yabbs Sat Aug 6 11:52:26 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: another lateral puzzle
Date: Sat Aug 6 11:52:26 1994
for the 3rd one.. it was an overdue library book and she was paying the
fine?
:) I don't really care for this but at least i'm making an effort.
From jujubee@yabbs Sat Aug 6 12:39:32 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: re; all of em.
Date: Sat Aug 6 12:39:32 1994
I msg my answers to the ppl via @email....cuz i don't wanna give the
answers away, and i don't wanna look like a dumbshit if i get em wrong!
hehehe...then they USUALLY msg me back w/the results...
at least pbj did! :)
*hint*hint* i've msgd the others that have put mind games up...check the
email base, d00ds!
From topi@yabbs Sat Aug 6 20:49:02 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: answers
Date: Sat Aug 6 20:49:02 1994
I still hope they all post the answers here on the base. There is no
reason why they can't. It's nice for a person to read the question, stop
(if they want to) and think about it, and then find the answer up a ew
few posts later.
Just hoping the answers arrive ONE DAY!!
-Cath :)
From icebox@yabbs Sat Aug 6 21:00:31 1994
From: icebox@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: A serious THINKING JOKE !!
Date: Sat Aug 6 21:00:31 1994
NO! Try again - it's really simple.
From jujubee@yabbs Sun Aug 7 00:46:59 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: icebox@yabbs
Subject: re: A serious THINKING JOKE !!
Date: Sun Aug 7 00:46:59 1994
hey icebox! didja check the email base??? i posted my answers
there...please let me know how i did!
From Phreddie@yabbs Mon Aug 8 02:27:52 1994
From: Phreddie@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: another one...
Date: Mon Aug 8 02:27:52 1994
Hehe.. yeah, i enjoy being puzzled to death..
I like 'em too.. , but I seriously hope that someone posts the answer
along with it.. I would probably die of suspense if I didnt' know what was
going on :( ..
From pbj@yabbs Mon Aug 8 04:51:02 1994
From: pbj@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: answer
Date: Mon Aug 8 04:51:02 1994
well if i get at least 3 email requests for the answer to my mind game i
will post the answer.....i guess that kind of breaks down the
suspense...you can also leave the requests on here if you like too
well as far as i know jujubee was the only one to guess mine correctly
great job JUJU!!!!!!
bi bi
colleen marie
aweburning
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pbj
From Pickle@yabbs Mon Aug 8 10:45:19 1994
From: Pickle@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Question...
Date: Mon Aug 8 10:45:19 1994
OK, I think this one's relatively easy, as a lot of you may have heard
it before, but here goes:
A man is found hanged in a room. The only thing in the room is a
pool of water at his feet. The room has only one door, which is locked
from the inside - this is the only entrance. The noose he is hanging by
is too high for the man to have reached from the ground. How did he die?
Whaddaya think? too easy? I may have heard this one off TV, in which
case you probably all know the answer.
From jujubee@yabbs Mon Aug 8 11:43:45 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: pbj@yabbs
Subject: re: answer
Date: Mon Aug 8 11:43:45 1994
Thank you, thank you! No applause please; just throw money! ;)
jujubee *bows*
From Steyr@yabbs Tue Aug 9 11:25:17 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Jokes.
Date: Tue Aug 9 11:25:17 1994
Was just wondering if anyone has some insanely funny jokes.
I have two old favourites that crack me up everytime, but they're pretty
stupid really and I'm about the only person in the world who finds them
funny. And don't I feel like a dick when I tell a joke and everyone just
stares at me blankly.
The first of them is short and simple ....
Q. Why did the koala fall out of the tree ?
A. Because it was dead.
*takes a break to roll around on the floor laughing*
The second is quite a long joke, and needs to be drawn out for it's
impact. So to tell that one I'll spread it over several posts, with a
small time gap between each post. Here goes ...
There's a really rich man named Fred, who has a single child. A son named
Jim. Now Fred is filthy rich and promised himself that as his son grew
up, Jim would have anything and everything his little heart desired. By
the time he was 6 years old, Jim had all the toys imaginable for a young
boy. His father had run out of imagination for things to get him and his
7th birthday was in a few days. So Fred went up to his son, and said
"Jim, I have no idea what to get you, so just tell me what you want and
it's yours. Absolutely anything you want, just name it." Jim thinks
about this for a little while, and says "Dad, I know this sounds a little
strange, but I've thought about it, and all I want for my birthday is ..."
(Continued next post - probably tomorrow)
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
P.S. If you've heard this one, then just shut up. But if EVERYONE has
heard it (and it is quite old) then just tell ME to shut up. :)
From Death@yabbs Tue Aug 9 14:19:00 1994
From: Death@yabbs
To: Pickle@yabbs
Subject: Damn you!
Date: Tue Aug 9 14:19:00 1994
Damn it pickle, you stole my spot!!!! I've been waiting for MONTHS to get
post #666 on here... Ah well... that's what I get for slipping into
unconsciousness for a day *sigh*
--Death
(Who is now extremely grumpy 'cause his game was spoilt)
From Pickle@yabbs Wed Aug 10 06:04:33 1994
From: Pickle@yabbs
To: Death@yabbs
Subject: re: Damn you!
Date: Wed Aug 10 06:04:33 1994
Heh heh!
Anyway, here's a really stupid joke that never fails to crack me up. Ready
for this one?
Q:Did you hear About the cross-eyed teacher?
A:He couldn't control his pupils!
Aha ha ha ha ha ha! <ahem>
From Steyr@yabbs Wed Aug 10 08:47:18 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Joke (cont)
Date: Wed Aug 10 08:47:18 1994
(continued from post 668)
"All I want for my birthday is a single pink golf ball". Jim's
father looked at him in shock and said "Son ! You can have anything
you want. Anything at all ! And all you want is a pink golfball ?"
Jim replied "Yes dad, all I want is a single pink golfball.".
A few days later, Jim's birthday rolls around, and Fred presents his
son with a brightly wrapped gift which turns out to be a pink
golfball. Jim jumped up and down excitedly, and thanked his dad
profusely, then ran to his room. A short while later, all sorts
of strange thumps and groans could be heard coming from his room.
The pink golfball was never seen again.
Time passed, and Christmas came around. Again, stuck for ideas, Fred
asked his son what he would like for Xmas. Jim said "Dad, that pink
golfball you got me was REALLY great, but it didn't last as long as I'd
hoped. Do you think you could get me TWO pink golfballs for Xmas ?"
After a brief discussion, Fred conceeded and went off to purchase two
pink golfballs for his son's Xmas gift. Xmas day came around and Jim
unwrapped his two pink golfballs, and immediately ran to his room where
mysterious thumps, bangs, crashes, and groans could soon be heard.
(Continued next post)
Note : Although this might not seem appropriate for Mind Games, this
jokes' relevence to this base may (or may not) become apparent as time
goes on.
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
From jujubee@yabbs Wed Aug 10 09:11:26 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: Pickle@yabbs
Subject: re: Damn you!
Date: Wed Aug 10 09:11:26 1994
heheheheeh....BAAAAAAAAAAAAD!!!! :(
i kinda liked it, tho...i also liked the one from Steyr about the dead
koala....
From jujubee@yabbs Wed Aug 10 09:13:08 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: Joke (cont)
Date: Wed Aug 10 09:13:08 1994
gads, Steyr! you've got me in suspense! Does this have something to do w/a
twisted Barbie or Ken doll or what? hehehehe
Anybody remember G.I. Joe dolls? Remember when they came out/w the
"fuzzy-headed" version?
From GPF@yabbs Wed Aug 10 11:32:42 1994
From: GPF@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: re: Joke (cont)
Date: Wed Aug 10 11:32:42 1994
In message re: Joke (cont), jujubee said:
>
> Anybody remember G.I. Joe dolls? Remember when they came out/w the
> "fuzzy-headed" version?
>
yup i remember them.... my friend matt used to break off their crotches as
a method of torture.... he was a pretty twisted kid....
almost half as bad as me :)
......gpf......
From jujubee@yabbs Wed Aug 10 18:35:51 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: GPF@yabbs
Subject: re: Joke (cont)
Date: Wed Aug 10 18:35:51 1994
eeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwww!!!! :( break em off?????
sick-0!
From Steyr@yabbs Thu Aug 11 11:19:38 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Joke (cont)
Date: Thu Aug 11 11:19:38 1994
(Continued from post 671 ...)
The next year, young Jim's 8th birthday came around, and sure enough,
he requested more pink golfballs. "Dad," he said, "This year, it
would be really really REALLY great if you could get me FOUR pink
golfballs." Jim's birthday came around and four pink golfballs
were given to Jim. Christmas rolled around yet again, and (on request)
Jim got EIGHT pink golfballs. For about two days after Xmas, Jim
did not emerge from his room, locking himself in and ignoring his
father knocking on the door when various thumps, crashes, groans
and the occasional muffled scream could be heard.
More years passed, and Jim only ever requested more and more pink
golfballs. "Dad, 20 pink golfballs please", "Dad, 50 this year if
you REALLY want to make me a happy child", "Oh sweetest father of
all fathers, I will love you forever if you get me 100 pink
golfballs". After each birthday or Xmas, Jim disappeared and did
SOMETHING with the balls, involving many bangs, thumps, crashes,
tinkling of broken glass, groans, laughter, barely supressed screams,
and something that resembles a very quiet air raid siren.
Eventually, Fred (Jim's father) was overwhelmed by curiosity, and crept
into Jim's room while the boy was at school one day ...
(continued next post ...)
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
All will be revealed .... eventually. :)
From pbj@yabbs Thu Aug 11 14:23:34 1994
From: pbj@yabbs
To: Pickle@yabbs
Subject: re: Damn you!
Date: Thu Aug 11 14:23:34 1994
heheheh verry funnyy :)
pbj
From Xela@yabbs Fri Aug 12 00:00:01 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: truck driver question
Date: Fri Aug 12 00:00:01 1994
The answer is....
The truck driver was WALKING down the one way street.
:)
Never assume anything in lateral puzzles...most of you were assuming he
was driving down the street.
X
From pbj@yabbs Fri Aug 12 00:15:16 1994
From: pbj@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re:guy in the car
Date: Fri Aug 12 00:15:16 1994
okay since Xela posted his answer i guess i should too.......yes juju
answered it right.....the car was a convertible...hehehe
bi bi ( still laughing somewhere )
pbj
From Steyr@yabbs Fri Aug 12 02:32:22 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Joke (Cont...)
Date: Fri Aug 12 02:32:22 1994
(Continued from post 676 ...)
Fred crept into his son's room and found everything in perfect
order. Nothing was smashed or broken, there were no dead bodies
laying around, nothing. Not even a single pink golfball of the
hundreds that Jim had been given.
Another year passed, and Jim only ever asked for more and more
pink golfballs. 100, 200, 500, 1000 pink golfballs !!! And as
always, Jim locked himself in his room and for days, all that could
be heard from him was bangs, crashes, choking sounds, laughter,
screams, moderated air raid sirens, and now something that closely
resembles silenced gun shots.
When Jim next emerged from his room, he came to his father and said,
"Dad, where do they make these pink golfballs ?". Fred told his son
that the golfballs came from a factory in Saudi Arabia and that he
had to deal directly with the factory since he had been buying bulk.
Jim said "Dad, can we please please please PLEASE go visit this
factory ? PLEEEEEASE !". Fred had nothing better to do that weekend,
so on Saturday morning the two of them boarded his private Leer jet
and took off for Saudi Arabia ...
(Continued next post ...)
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
Next post is the last part of the joke by the way. :)
From topi@yabbs Fri Aug 12 05:00:09 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: truck driver question
Date: Fri Aug 12 05:00:09 1994
hehe.. that was good :)
-Cath.
From jujubee@yabbs Fri Aug 12 06:25:41 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: Joke (Cont...)
Date: Fri Aug 12 06:25:41 1994
jujubee strangles steyr out of unbridled frustration.....
From jujubee@yabbs Fri Aug 12 06:27:42 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: truck driver question
Date: Fri Aug 12 06:27:42 1994
I STILL THINK MY ANSWER IS LOGICAL!!!
What do my yabbs friends think???
My answer was: The policeman didn't arrest the guy because he (the
policeman) was looking out of his hospital room window, bedridden,
therefore he could not arrest the guy.
Hey! Isn't that quite a creative, thought-filled answer????
and it WORKS, too!!!
From topi@yabbs Sat Aug 13 10:09:43 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: re: truck driver question
Date: Sat Aug 13 10:09:43 1994
well.. I suppose your answer is passable... but its not as good as the
real answer.
From jujubee@yabbs Sat Aug 13 10:55:43 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: truck driver question
Date: Sat Aug 13 10:55:43 1994
i still think my answer exhibited a fair amount of creativity...
From Xela@yabbs Sat Aug 13 14:17:02 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: re: truck driver question
Date: Sat Aug 13 14:17:02 1994
yeah but it lacks the sensitive creativity of a simple answer, or
something :)
X
From jujubee@yabbs Sat Aug 13 17:34:47 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: truck driver question
Date: Sat Aug 13 17:34:47 1994
sensitive creativity??????? huh????
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Aug 14 05:06:22 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: re: truck driver question
Date: Sun Aug 14 05:06:22 1994
Technically, your answer may have worked, but a simple, post-obvious
answer formed from a little lateral thinking is the one which makes the
reader go "Dooh ! Why didn't I think of that.".
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Aug 14 05:20:40 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Joke (Final)
Date: Sun Aug 14 05:20:40 1994
(Continued from post 680 ...)
Fred and his sone Jim are flying over Saudi Arabia, in Fred's private
Leer jet, on the way to the pink golfball factory. Suddenly the jet
engine chokes, whines, and dies. The jet spirals to the ground and
*BOOM*, it crashes in the middle of the desert. The pilot and co-pilot
are killed instantly, but miraculously Fred and Jim survive.
Battered and bruised, the two set off over the desert to try and reach
civilisation. The scorching hot sun beats down on them, then a freezing
cold night sets in. Another day begins as they trudge over the endless
sand dunes. Soon the heat becomes too much and the pair collapse in
exhaustion. "Dad ...", Jim wheezes, "I ... *choke* ... don't think I
can go on much ... *wheeze* ... longer.". Jim pauses to catch his
breath. "Dad, I think *cough* ... I'm going to die". Fred cries out
"NO !!! Son, please, tell me before you die, what did you want all
those pink golfballs for and what the hel did you do with them ?"
Jim looks his father in the eye and says "Well dad, I guess there's no
harm in telling you now. My master plan won't ever get completed now
anyway. So dad ... *choke* ... the reason ... *wheeze* ... I wanted
all those ... *cough* ... pink golfballs for ... *hack* ... is ..."
With a final gasp for air, Jim slumped his head to the sand and died.
(End)
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
From Natalie@yabbs Sun Aug 14 08:02:26 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: Joke (Final)
Date: Sun Aug 14 08:02:26 1994
i hate you. i hate you. i hate you.
heehee.
natalie
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Aug 14 09:37:11 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: Joke (Final)
Date: Sun Aug 14 09:37:11 1994
a real pain in the arse eh natalie?
*grin*
*hug*
D'
From jujubee@yabbs Sun Aug 14 10:54:10 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: truck driver question
Date: Sun Aug 14 10:54:10 1994
You can say THAT again! :)
From jujubee@yabbs Sun Aug 14 10:55:22 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: Joke (Final)
Date: Sun Aug 14 10:55:22 1994
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! :(
From Xela@yabbs Sun Aug 14 23:27:40 1994
From: Xela@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: dude...
Date: Sun Aug 14 23:27:40 1994
you just crack me up so much...can I like, have your autograph or
something?
:)
X
From pbj@yabbs Mon Aug 15 04:59:05 1994
From: pbj@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: Joke (Final)
Date: Mon Aug 15 04:59:05 1994
YOU SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
my 2% of a dollars worth
hehe
pbj
From icebox@yabbs Mon Aug 15 20:19:12 1994
From: icebox@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: re: A serious THINKING JOKE !!
Date: Mon Aug 15 20:19:12 1994
Oh - I plan to. First, I'm gonna take a shot at Topi's.
From icebox@yabbs Mon Aug 15 20:22:46 1994
From: icebox@yabbs
To: Xela@yabbs
Subject: re: another lateral puzzle
Date: Mon Aug 15 20:22:46 1994
1. Any ambulance related services
2. Telephone Book
3. Because the man was either her brother or her husband.
*** END OF TRANS ***
So - How'd I do?
From Deaska@yabbs Thu Aug 18 07:51:10 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Thu Aug 18 07:51:10 1994
whoa... trippen,
:)
From trouble!@yabbs Thu Aug 18 09:09:23 1994
From: trouble!@yabbs
To: Covenant@yabbs
Subject: re: Here's a mind game..
Date: Thu Aug 18 09:09:23 1994
wow ...
you really do have an ecccentric family ... it sounds a lot cooler than my
family ... can i be adopted?? i dont have any tattoos, but i do love
harleys .....
laters
*wave*
=-)
Trouble!/TedeBere
From trouble!@yabbs Thu Aug 18 09:11:35 1994
From: trouble!@yabbs
To: Badger01@yabbs
Subject: re: Yet Another Badger Mindgame
Date: Thu Aug 18 09:11:35 1994
mat ...
think you're finally going to lose it (or have already lost it)
val
aka Trouble!/TedeBere
=-)
*who still believes in Santa claus at age 21*
From trouble!@yabbs Thu Aug 18 09:13:01 1994
From: trouble!@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: Yet Another Badger Mindgame
Date: Thu Aug 18 09:13:01 1994
hey ....
'tis better to look at this later than not at all, right??
*someone who is looking at this a month after she started on yabbs*
Trouble!/TedeBere
=-)
From trouble!@yabbs Thu Aug 18 09:17:12 1994
From: trouble!@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: evil ex bf
Date: Thu Aug 18 09:17:12 1994
nat ...
you have one of those too?? i do ...well, he was really my boyfriend, he
was my roommates bf and he scared me so bad i had nightmares for a week,
even to this day, i cant talk about him without getting a few shivers
(oops in the second line that should be "wasn't", not "was") ...luckily i
havent seen him in 3 year, so i'm getting better
*i think you know who by now*
*grin*
=-)
*hug*
From pbj@yabbs Sat Aug 20 18:03:15 1994
From: pbj@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: mcdonalds barbie
Date: Sat Aug 20 18:03:15 1994
nat just thought i'd let you know i saw the micciedees barbie the other
day whilst watching yakko wakko and dot .....they are soo silliee....
btw....HELLLO NURSE!!!!!!
pbj
who wakes up faithfully everyday by 4 pm to wathced the wanerbrothers and
sister dot on fox
From Cat@yabbs Sat Aug 20 20:48:17 1994
From: Cat@yabbs
To: pbj@yabbs
Subject: re: mcdonalds barbie
Date: Sat Aug 20 20:48:17 1994
oh i am soooooo jealous. i love watching animaniacs...but my parents got
rid of cable so no more fox for me...it's almost as tradgic as vt stores
not carrying green kool-aid anymore....
but my personal favorites are rita and runt :)
-tammie
From Pele@yabbs Mon Aug 22 03:47:23 1994
From: Pele@yabbs
To: Cat@yabbs
Subject: Re Animaniacs
Date: Mon Aug 22 03:47:23 1994
Pinky and the Brain
Pinky and the Brain
One is a Genious
The other's insane
They're Laboratory mice
Their genes have been spliced
They're Pinky, They're Pinky and the Brain
Brain Brain Brain.
From Jazzy@yabbs Tue Aug 23 09:13:11 1994
From: Jazzy@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: read /i roth
Date: Tue Aug 23 09:13:11 1994
From topi@yabbs Wed Aug 24 05:16:32 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: yabbs closing..
Date: Wed Aug 24 05:16:32 1994
Whats everyone going to do now? wheres everyone planning on going instead
of here?
Just wondered :) I also like finding out about new places, but don'T have
the time to hunt around for them myself.
-Catherine.
From Deaska@yabbs Wed Aug 24 08:13:11 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: yabbs closing..
Date: Wed Aug 24 08:13:11 1994
i know this kewl place called foothills.. mudlike,
(yeah Dest, hehehe been there :P)
Foothills is at telnet marble.bu.edu 2010
lotsa kewl ppl, an' stuff...
D'
Wolfpup@foothills
From Steyr@yabbs Wed Aug 24 08:16:43 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: yabbs closing..
Date: Wed Aug 24 08:16:43 1994
following on from what Topi said ...
Perhaps we could all (or many of us) agree on a good bbs which we could
migrate to, so we could easily keep in contact with one another. I for
one would like to still be able to talk to many of you now and then, and
if I know which BBS you'll be on, I'll sure be there too.
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
From Steyr@yabbs Wed Aug 24 08:17:35 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: yabbs closing..
Date: Wed Aug 24 08:17:35 1994
marble huh ? I'll check it out.
Any other suggestions anyone ?
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
From Deaska@yabbs Wed Aug 24 08:24:45 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: yabbs closing..
Date: Wed Aug 24 08:24:45 1994
try bbs.augsburg.edu, get an account...
or fer jus chattin'
morra.et.tudelft.nl 2993
some options.. :) anyone else?
From icebox@yabbs Thu Aug 25 19:57:00 1994
From: icebox@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: a SERIOUS THINKING JOKE !!
Date: Thu Aug 25 19:57:00 1994
OK. For all you that haven't figured it out or guessed it properly,
here's the answer.
The hospitalized spouse was laying in bed with a EMS hooked to the
body. If there is no electricity, there is no life. And for all
of you who would think along the lines of a battery pack: unless
your awareness is hightened on each and every occasion of bad
occurences, there would be a slim chance of connecting to a "battery
pack" unit to sustain the victim in time. If ever tried, remember
that it might cause more harm than good. Sorry it took so long
to answer.
And now, for our GRAND PRIZE winner (the guy who got it first):
On September 27, pick up your all expense - paid meal at the
Subway address mentioned in E-Mail. You earned it!
And yall thought AK came short of the game plan. Next joke!
Signed By Yours Truly,
ICEBOX -- > Numero Uno!
From icebox@yabbs Thu Aug 25 20:00:51 1994
From: icebox@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: THE OTHER SERIOUS JOKE !!
Date: Thu Aug 25 20:00:51 1994
Out in the middle of the woods, there was a cabin surrounded by
trees. There were 20 people inside. They ALL died. How?
OBJECTIVE: Solve the mystery!
INSTRUCTIONS:
You must ask "YES" or "NO" questions ONLY! Failure will
result in NO ANSWERING!
* laughs * GOOD LUCK! HA! HA! HA!
The guy behind the mountains:
icebox
From Natalie@yabbs Thu Aug 25 20:15:26 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: icebox@yabbs
Subject: re: THE OTHER SERIOUS JOKE !!
Date: Thu Aug 25 20:15:26 1994
um...did they all drink poisoned kool aid? (green, of course)
natalie
From rick@yabbs Thu Aug 25 23:39:18 1994
From: rick@yabbs
To: icebox@yabbs
Subject: re: THE OTHER SERIOUS JOKE !!
Date: Thu Aug 25 23:39:18 1994
who cares...yabbs won't be here long enough to answerthe damm ?
From jujubee@yabbs Sat Aug 27 13:42:19 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: icebox@yabbs
Subject: re: a SERIOUS THINKING JOKE !!
Date: Sat Aug 27 13:42:19 1994
so, who was the winner!
that was an EXCELLENT one! i thought the answer was great!! :)
From jujubee@yabbs Sat Aug 27 13:44:06 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: icebox@yabbs
Subject: re: a SERIOUS THINKING JOKE !!
Date: Sat Aug 27 13:44:06 1994
i meant to say "who was the winner???"
the suspense is killing me to see who gets the meal at Subway! :)
From Typhon@yabbs Mon Aug 29 11:03:41 1994
From: Typhon@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: re: a SERIOUS THINKING JOKE !!
Date: Mon Aug 29 11:03:41 1994
And the meal will killkthem.
Typhon
From 321@yabbs Mon Aug 29 17:39:43 1994
From: 321@yabbs
To: pbj@yabbs
Subject: animaniacs
Date: Mon Aug 29 17:39:43 1994
go yakko wakko and dot!!!!
huray for animaniacs on fox!!!
321 the childish :)
From 321@yabbs Mon Aug 29 17:42:34 1994
From: 321@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: yabbs closing..
Date: Mon Aug 29 17:42:34 1994
what??!! yabbs closing??!! WHEN? WHY? WHERE? well, maybe not where...
i personally like olohof for other chats...m130.161.144.100 2993
-m
that is, -m on the address for olohof...
321 the sorrowful :(
From 321@yabbs Mon Aug 29 17:43:52 1994
From: 321@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: yabbs closing..
Date: Mon Aug 29 17:43:52 1994
you're on olohof too, eh? who r u there?
-321
From icebox@yabbs Tue Aug 30 00:33:58 1994
From: icebox@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: yabbs closing..
Date: Tue Aug 30 00:33:58 1994
Instead of closing the base down, I propose that we link them all.
I've already started creating algorithms to handle the pressure.
Now, you can eat your cake! Tell others!
Your New Friend,
Icebox
From icebox@yabbs Tue Aug 30 00:35:22 1994
From: icebox@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: THE OTHER SERIOUS JOKE !!
Date: Tue Aug 30 00:35:22 1994
Nope! Try again!
From icebox@yabbs Tue Aug 30 00:37:30 1994
From: icebox@yabbs
To: rick@yabbs
Subject: re: THE OTHER SERIOUS JOKE !!
Date: Tue Aug 30 00:37:30 1994
OK Rick.......If I find out how much it would cost to keep it up,
you will have to tell me anyway.
Also, if you've been having a lot of fun on this board, you
should be doing something to keep up the effort! Nothing
is dead until seen dead. Ask DEATH! He's alive!
Your Other Rebel Friend,
Icebox
From icebox@yabbs Tue Aug 30 00:38:42 1994
From: icebox@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: re: a SERIOUS THINKING JOKE !!
Date: Tue Aug 30 00:38:42 1994
Ask around. Most of all, it demonstrates how powerful this
BBS can be. Think about what you've just read.
Your Buddy,
Icebox
From icebox@yabbs Tue Aug 30 00:39:20 1994
From: icebox@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: re: a SERIOUS THINKING JOKE !!
Date: Tue Aug 30 00:39:20 1994
HA! HA! HA!
Your Silly Friend,
Icebox
From icebox@yabbs Tue Aug 30 00:40:12 1994
From: icebox@yabbs
To: Typhon@yabbs
Subject: re: a SERIOUS THINKING JOKE !!
Date: Tue Aug 30 00:40:12 1994
Do I suspect a tad of jealousy there, ol' mate?!
Your Curious George -
Icebox
From Death@yabbs Tue Aug 30 03:56:45 1994
From: Death@yabbs
To: icebox@yabbs
Subject: re: THE OTHER SERIOUS JOKE !!
Date: Tue Aug 30 03:56:45 1994
Actually, Death IS Alive *GRIN*
*chuckles to self over REALLY old joke*
--Les
(Who wonders if anybody that's still around remembers that night...)
(And who is feeling nostalgic now...)
*smile*
From Deaska@yabbs Tue Aug 30 11:40:09 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Death@yabbs
Subject: re: THE OTHER SERIOUS JOKE !!
Date: Tue Aug 30 11:40:09 1994
*grin*
you oldie...
Rich :)
From jujubee@yabbs Tue Aug 30 18:17:34 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: icebox@yabbs
Subject: re: a SERIOUS THINKING JOKE !!
Date: Tue Aug 30 18:17:34 1994
Hey Ice! How come we never see ya on the chat line?
From Deaska@yabbs Sat Sep 3 14:05:16 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Sat Sep 3 14:05:16 1994
going down..... ?
basement, wines, champaigns, balloons, party streamers, 100 kilos of rdx,
cellar racks and... cyanide pills should you not be killed by the
detonation.
thankyou for shopping....
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Sep 4 01:49:57 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: Yabbs and love.
Date: Sun Sep 4 01:49:57 1994
I was just thinking ... I wonder what happens to anyone that was
in one of these weird net-relationship things where their only
means of contact was via yabbs. Yabbs closing down would really
be messing with their mind, particularly if one of them didn't have
an email site or anything. But I guess you have to have a messed
up mind in the first place to be in a "relationship" with someone
you've never met and are never likely to meet.
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
From Destiny@yabbs Sun Sep 4 02:16:59 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: yabbs relationship
Date: Sun Sep 4 02:16:59 1994
Maybe I'm messed up in the mind, but at least I'm happy :)
See you on the net Steyr...
-Dest'
From Destiny@yabbs Sun Sep 4 02:17:49 1994
From: Destiny@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: con't
Date: Sun Sep 4 02:17:49 1994
and I'll let ya know how it turns out in three months :)
-me again :)
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 02:46:38 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: Yabbs and love.
Date: Sun Sep 4 02:46:38 1994
*grin*
Topi hands Steyr an EXTRA big spoon to stir with.
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 05:04:10 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 05:04:10 1994
I *really* liked this base. :) Saw some kewl discussions go on here.
:)
and I *could* be the last person to post in it! yaah.. or naah.. :)
-Catherine.
From Natalie@yabbs Sun Sep 4 05:24:57 1994
From: Natalie@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 05:24:57 1994
nope, you ain't tha last :)
natalie
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Sep 4 05:50:09 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 05:50:09 1994
neither are you :)
*hugs* :)
rich
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Sep 4 06:46:30 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 06:46:30 1994
*chuckle*
Hmmm ... actually. I wanted to be the last to post here ... but ...
Why in the hell am I TRYING to come last ?! Jeeez. I get enough of that
as it is.
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Sep 4 07:55:10 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 07:55:10 1994
*chuckle*
you dog....
*grin*
Rich :)
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 08:14:47 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Natalie@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 08:14:47 1994
We'll just have to see about that now.. :)
-Cath.
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Sep 4 08:37:51 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 08:37:51 1994
And as they come around the corner into the final straight it, yes, it
Steyr in the lead by half a length !!!
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 08:40:16 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 08:40:16 1994
awww... gotta love him... :)
From Mr_Rhee@yabbs Sun Sep 4 08:43:45 1994
From: Mr_Rhee@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 08:43:45 1994
*chuckle* ...
Now I'm getting sneaky.
This is really Steyr in disguise :)
I'll get the last position yet :)
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 09:18:42 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Mr_Rhee@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 09:18:42 1994
You dirty rotten cheat!!!
:P
*having a laughing fit*
:)
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Sep 4 09:30:44 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 09:30:44 1994
Well looks like I'm coming last AGAIN !
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 09:31:49 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 09:31:49 1994
OOOOOOHHHH!!!!!!!!!
:I
:)
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Sep 4 09:32:28 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 09:32:28 1994
*grin*
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 09:35:06 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 09:35:06 1994
drat you, drat you, drat you!!!!!
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Sep 4 09:42:57 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 09:42:57 1994
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
From taegu@yabbs Sun Sep 4 09:45:27 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 09:45:27 1994
I want the last one.....
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Sep 4 09:47:12 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: taegu@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 09:47:12 1994
Welcome to the race taegu. Good to have more competition :)
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Sep 4 09:48:51 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 09:48:51 1994
*chuckle* this is sick
YEAH!!!!!!
From taegu@yabbs Sun Sep 4 09:49:13 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 09:49:13 1994
ahhh, thank you!!!!!
I WILL WIN!!!!
*evil laugh*
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 09:49:25 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 09:49:25 1994
Catherine
was
HERE!!!
Sept' '94!
From taegu@yabbs Sun Sep 4 09:50:31 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 09:50:31 1994
Why thank you!
I will win the race!
*evil laugh*
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Sep 4 09:52:23 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: taegu@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 09:52:23 1994
bullshit :)
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Sep 4 09:53:21 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: Topi@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 09:53:21 1994
Hehehe.
What can I say. :)
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
From taegu@yabbs Sun Sep 4 09:55:16 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 09:55:16 1994
Kevin
wuz
Here
September '94
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 09:57:46 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 09:57:46 1994
hehe.. subtle as hell...
:)
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 09:58:24 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 09:58:24 1994
How about we try for the 1000th post eh? *grin*
*planting the seed*
;)
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Sep 4 09:59:40 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 09:59:40 1994
seed??? Steyr!! CONGRATS DUUUUUDE.....
*chuckle*
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:01:06 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:01:06 1994
Hahaha ... 1000 huh *grin*
Pity there's not a way to silently enter/exit talk.
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:02:00 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:02:00 1994
You dirty little runt!!!
Topi clubs Deaska!
OHHH!
From taegu@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:02:49 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:02:49 1994
I know what you mean!
I will be the last....
I will be the 1000th
No ONe can win but me
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:03:45 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: taegu@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:03:45 1994
hehehe *chuckle* Steyr, quit paging me you fucking prick...
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:04:40 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:04:40 1994
hahahahahahhahahahahahah
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
From taegu@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:06:43 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:06:43 1994
This is it....
No more posting any more/...
THis is it
Taegu was the last to post
This is it
you cant post no more
This is it...
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:09:09 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: taegu@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:09:09 1994
Seven hundred and ...... 69 duuuudes :)
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:09:31 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: taegu@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:09:31 1994
in yer dreams taegu
:)
From taegu@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:11:39 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:11:39 1994
and we're playing those mind games....forever
I have got the last entry EVER!
Kevin
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:11:58 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:11:58 1994
now look guys.. don't yas think this is getting a tad outta hand?
Well.. if you do, then you're a sucker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just yous wait!!!
I just hope its not too many hours still Alex pulls the plug.... *grin*
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:12:32 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: taegu@yabbs
Subject: in YOUR *DREAMS*
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:12:32 1994
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:13:09 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:13:09 1994
*chukling*
i guarantee i'll have the last post :)
From taegu@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:17:32 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:17:32 1994
3 hours later..........
I got post number 1500....
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:18:16 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:18:16 1994
Well I aint saying what's in *MY* dreams, but ti sure aint getting the
last post.
I mean hey ... why dream about something that's so guaranteed that I can
just take it for granted. Lets face it ... I AM going to win !
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
From taegu@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:20:13 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:20:13 1994
And what makes you so sure....huh?
I'm not worried about it.
Heck, actually noone will ever know who the last post was. Yabbs will be
down and noone will ever read it
From taegu@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:20:47 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: taegu@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:20:47 1994
I GOT #777
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:24:17 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: taegu@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:24:17 1994
We will hopefully find out. We're gonna try and get a copy of the base of
Alex after yabbs goes down. And who knows ... if Death brings up his own
yabbs, maybe he can get the bases of Alex and continue from where we left
off :)
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
From taegu@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:26:51 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:26:51 1994
Until then, this is the last post.
This is the first post for the new yabbs
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:31:32 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: taegu@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:31:32 1994
ah geez, you crack me up taegu...
:)
From taegu@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:33:55 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:33:55 1994
*crack*
*crack*
one post for the ROad.....
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:34:31 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:34:31 1994
so long....
farewell.....
:)
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:34:57 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: taegu@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:34:57 1994
ok, you can all stop posting now. I'm about to go to bed and I WILL have
the last post. So just let me get my beauty sleep ok :)
,,,
(o o)
+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
| \ \ |
| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
| / / |
+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:35:27 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: <no title>
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:35:27 1994
auf wiedersehen,
goodbye...
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:36:00 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:36:00 1994
*chuckle* okay :)
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:38:39 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:38:39 1994
Thanks D. Much appreciated. :)
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:39:12 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:39:12 1994
glad to oblige :)
From taegu@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:39:36 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:39:36 1994
We all know you need it!
hahahaha
20 min till 11:00EST and the end of yabbs
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:41:26 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: taegu@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:41:26 1994
gee.. sad isn't it....
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:42:52 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:42:52 1994
yup
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:44:25 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:44:25 1994
Gee..... this has gone on since post 736 where Topi started it all.
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:46:15 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:46:15 1994
not bad effort eh :)
From taegu@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:46:27 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: @yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:46:27 1994
I've got 12 minutes.....
From taegu@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:47:17 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:47:17 1994
will we make it to 1000?
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:48:28 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:48:28 1994
hahah!!! me?!?!?!????
not bloody likely! ;)
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:49:17 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:49:17 1994
:)
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:49:35 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:49:35 1994
(:
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:49:50 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:49:50 1994
:) (:
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:50:13 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:50:13 1994
Hooray!!!!!!
Look at me :)
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:50:16 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:50:16 1994
thought your supposed to be sleepin'
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:50:30 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: 800 !!!!
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:50:30 1994
I got 800 !!
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:50:50 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:50:50 1994
that was number 800 if yous hadn't already noticed :)
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:51:17 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:51:17 1994
Doooh !!!!!!
I HAD 800 !
But YOU stole it !
:(
:)
hmmm
S'ok ... I'll let you have 800 because I know I'll get the last one :)
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:51:41 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:51:41 1994
Bye bye all yous lovely people...
Its been GREEEEAAAAAAATTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:)
*HUGS to one and all* :)
From taegu@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:52:11 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:52:11 1994
He jus t told us thjat to keep us from posting
I wanted #800
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:52:20 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: 800 !!!!
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:52:20 1994
*chuckle* look again... ;)
gotta be careful there.... :)
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:53:16 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: 800 !!!!
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:53:16 1994
Jeeez .... this base is happening faster than yabbs talk !
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:54:42 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: 800 !!!!
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:54:42 1994
c'mon htoaster! do it NOOOWWWWWWWWW!!!!
or at least after I've saved.... *chuckle*
From HC@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:56:37 1994
From: HC@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: 800 !!!!
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:56:37 1994
*sneaks in under Steyr's nose again*
howling Coyote Strikes Again
HC
Wuz here
in '94
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:57:05 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: 800 !!!!
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:57:05 1994
hehehe.. yer wasting yer time topes... well, hehehe
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:58:34 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:58:34 1994
gotta love you pricks.. farkin' pagin' me to death :)
doesn't amtter.. i know what i'm typing.. well.. hehe
From taegu@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:58:47 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: 800 !!!!
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:58:47 1994
I HAVE 11:00EST
where is HTOASTER?
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:59:44 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:59:44 1994
hahahaha
From Steyr@yabbs Sun Sep 4 10:59:48 1994
From: Steyr@yabbs
To: taegu@yabbs
Subject: re: 800 !!!!
Date: Sun Sep 4 10:59:48 1994
I'm in the hot seat now :)
Come on Alex dude ! Shere are
you !
From jujubee@yabbs Sun Sep 4 11:00:18 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: 800 !!!!
Date: Sun Sep 4 11:00:18 1994
hehehe...i liked your "graffiti" post....
*j*u*j*u*b*e*e*
*w*u*z*
*h*e*r*e*
9/4/94
hugs and kisses to all! :)
*8^]
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 11:00:59 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: Steyr@yabbs
Subject: re: 800 !!!!
Date: Sun Sep 4 11:00:59 1994
Love you hon :)
From jujubee@yabbs Sun Sep 4 11:01:36 1994
From: jujubee@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: 800 !!!!
Date: Sun Sep 4 11:01:36 1994
i'm in the race, too :)
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 11:01:44 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: jujubee@yabbs
Subject: re: 800 !!!!
Date: Sun Sep 4 11:01:44 1994
hehe.. knew you came this way! ;)
From taegu@yabbs Sun Sep 4 11:03:30 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: topi@yabbs
Subject: re: 800 !!!!
Date: Sun Sep 4 11:03:30 1994
he's here
and has put the death grips on yabbs
I WON *GRIN*
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 11:04:19 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: taegu@yabbs
Subject: re: 800 !!!!
Date: Sun Sep 4 11:04:19 1994
YOU W*IIIIIIIII*SH!!!
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 11:05:01 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: :)
Date: Sun Sep 4 11:05:01 1994
:)
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Sep 4 11:05:43 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Sun Sep 4 11:05:43 1994
i bet i do win
:)
From taegu@yabbs Sun Sep 4 11:08:10 1994
From: taegu@yabbs
To: Deaska@yabbs
Subject: re: <no title>
Date: Sun Sep 4 11:08:10 1994
THIS IS IT!!!!!!!!
From topi@yabbs Sun Sep 4 11:09:07 1994
From: topi@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Sun Sep 4 11:09:07 1994
hmm.....
lucky Topi?
From Deaska@yabbs Sun Sep 4 11:09:33 1994
From: Deaska@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: <no title>
Date: Sun Sep 4 11:09:33 1994
i bet i do win
:)
:)
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