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From htoaster@yabbs Thu Jul 21 17:06:41 1994
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From: htoaster@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: <no title>
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Date: Thu Jul 21 17:06:41 1994
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From htoaster@yabbs Thu Jul 21 17:10:22 1994
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From: htoaster@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: new base
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Date: Thu Jul 21 17:10:22 1994
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This message base is for the dicussion of Environmental Issues. This includes
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any pro or anti environment politics, discussions of ways to improve our
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environment, pretty much anything having to do with nature, interesting groups
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to join/talk about, or anything else that can be considered relating to the
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environment.
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alex
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From Zbadba@yabbs Thu Jul 21 17:33:05 1994
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From: Zbadba@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: re: new base
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Date: Thu Jul 21 17:33:05 1994
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Wow, I get to be the first poster in a new base (excepting ht, natch)...
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Out of curiosity, is anyone out there a member of Greenpeace?
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From Pele@yabbs Thu Jul 21 18:58:10 1994
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From: Pele@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: re: new base
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Date: Thu Jul 21 18:58:10 1994
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Ok...I'm #2. I'm no greenpeacer and I might end up being the enemy on
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this base but I do love my world and I do protect it.
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-Pele-
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From mrstyler@yabbs Thu Jul 21 20:23:38 1994
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From: mrstyler@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: dolphins
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Date: Thu Jul 21 20:23:38 1994
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HI, as a lot of you know, i'm very much a dolphin lover.
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I do have a strong interest in preseving and caring for
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wildlife. My passion is centered around anti-captivity of
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whales and dolphins. This passion stems from several experiences.
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after going to sea world a couple of years ago i was completely
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repulsed by the condition some of the dolphins were kept in.
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im refering especially to the tank where people could feed the
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dolphins. the tank was only around 6ft deep and there were about
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7 dolphins in it, the tank was about the size of a small swimming
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pool. after such an experience, i got to see dolphins in the wild
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and this experience moved me very much. This is when i realized
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these dolphins were the lucky ones and no dolphin should have
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to be kept in a tank. For over a year now i have been doing
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light research on dolphin captivity discovering many things that
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have disgusted me.
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here are some statistics and information that most people do not
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know:
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mortality rate for bottlenose dolphin in captivity 50%
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(after 2 years)
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from 1972-1982 647 dolphins were captured, by 1984 only
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293 were still alive
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it is estimated that 1/3 of all dolphins captured in the
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1980's are dead as well as those born in captivity
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many dolphins in the wild may live to be 40 years old but
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captive dolphins die on an average of under 10 years old
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dolphins in captivity have been known to commit suicide
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they have been known to slamm their heads against the side
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of the pool and voluntarily stop breathing
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**this is taken from the book INTO THE BLUE by virginia mckenna
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i will probably have a lot more to say about this in the future
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if u have an interest please share it with me!
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mrs. t
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From Cat@yabbs Thu Jul 21 21:30:38 1994
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From: Cat@yabbs
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To: Zbadba@yabbs
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Subject: re: new base
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Date: Thu Jul 21 21:30:38 1994
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In message re: new base, Zbadba said:
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>
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> Out of curiosity, is anyone out there a member of Greenpeace?
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yup
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-tammie
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From dmonger@yabbs Thu Jul 21 23:23:12 1994
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From: dmonger@yabbs
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To: Cat@yabbs
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Subject: re: new base
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Date: Thu Jul 21 23:23:12 1994
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figures :)
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-peter
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From Natalie@yabbs Fri Jul 22 00:08:35 1994
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From: Natalie@yabbs
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To: mrstyler@yabbs
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Subject: re: dolphins
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Date: Fri Jul 22 00:08:35 1994
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the only place i've ever been where i've seen dolphins in as close to
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their natural environment as possible is shedd oceanarium/aquarium in
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chicago. if you ever get a chane to see it, do so...it's rad. and i
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remember when i was little going to the beach and seeing dolphins leaping
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in the horizon...it was really cool.
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natalie
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From cosmos@yabbs Fri Jul 22 00:25:43 1994
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From: cosmos@yabbs
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To: Natalie@yabbs
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Subject: re: dolphins
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Date: Fri Jul 22 00:25:43 1994
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From Death@yabbs Fri Jul 22 03:12:52 1994
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From: Death@yabbs
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To: mrstyler@yabbs
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Subject: re: dolphins
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Date: Fri Jul 22 03:12:52 1994
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Hmmm.. interesting... I'd never seen the figures.
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Personally, I'm against just about any captivity of wild animals...
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Having swum with dolphins in the ocean (it was very cool... thery are
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extremely friendly animals) I can't stand to see them caged up in zoos or
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places like Sea World either... They are docile, friendly, intelligent
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animals and, as such, do not deserve to be kept captive, away from their
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family and friends, and completely against their will. Do we do that to
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humans? NO!!
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(just my three cents worth...)
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--Les
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From PanPan@yabbs Fri Jul 22 10:07:36 1994
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From: PanPan@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: environmentalism
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Date: Fri Jul 22 10:07:36 1994
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Well, I'm NOT a member of Greenpeace, but I do all of thenormal,
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politically-correct things like recycling paper, plastic bottles and cans,
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I don't burn plastics, don't use ozone-depleting hair care products.
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Basically, I'm here to learn (I am taking an Environmental Issues course
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in the fall, and want to know more about "the cause").
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BTW, listen to Consolidated's _Play More Music_ album. Especially the
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song: Meat is Murder. They are a VERY political, VERY environmental, VERY
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vegetarian industrial/dance band. I'm no vegetarian, but I give them 4
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stars anyways.
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PanPan
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From Deaska@yabbs Fri Jul 22 12:15:34 1994
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From: Deaska@yabbs
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To: Cat@yabbs
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Subject: greenpeace
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Date: Fri Jul 22 12:15:34 1994
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yer kiddin' me?
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geez.. tammie, climb the ranks and come visit me in antarctica oneday ;)
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might get C jealous tho.. hehe
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D'ster
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From dmonger@yabbs Fri Jul 22 13:28:08 1994
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From: dmonger@yabbs
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To: Death@yabbs
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Subject: re: dolphins
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Date: Fri Jul 22 13:28:08 1994
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In message re: dolphins, Death said:
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> animals and, as such, do not deserve to be kept captive, away from their
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> family and friends, and completely against their will. Do we do that to
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> humans? NO!!
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well, actually we do. Just not as much, and we can complain more.
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-peter
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From Death@yabbs Fri Jul 22 13:41:48 1994
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From: Death@yabbs
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To: dmonger@yabbs
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Subject: re: dolphins
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Date: Fri Jul 22 13:41:48 1994
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hehehe... that's not exactly what I meant. I meant: do we stick humans in
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cages in zoos? (aside from the zookeepers, of course). Sure, we have
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prisons for criminals, but what did a dolphin ever do to deserve the same
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treatment? They are a wild animal and, as such, deserve to be left free to
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swim the world's oceans...
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--Les
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From Badger01@yabbs Fri Jul 22 14:35:42 1994
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From: Badger01@yabbs
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To: Death@yabbs
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Subject: Then their race will die.
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Date: Fri Jul 22 14:35:42 1994
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Listen to me. I hate the idea of captivity, zoos or whatever. But Zoo's do
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more than simply hold animals...they breed them for wild release and
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protect them from poachers and disease. While Game Preserves are better,
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and simply executing all of Humanity or moving us out into Space might be
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BETTER options, we don't currently have the ability. If we don't have
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Zoo's , we might as well hold the animals still for the trophy hunters and
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poachers to come and annihilate their prey.
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Badger01
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Who is considering ways to remove the human blight once and for all...too
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bad Atomic War will get everything else too...
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From Death@yabbs Fri Jul 22 15:05:44 1994
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From: Death@yabbs
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To: Badger01@yabbs
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Subject: re: Then their race will die.
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Date: Fri Jul 22 15:05:44 1994
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I know most zoos do more than just hold animals in captivity, but they
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could at least just put them in places more suited to their size, ie
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putting dolphins, sharks, whales etc. in a sizable tank (like the ones
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used for PERFORMANCES at Sea World) for each one (or pair if they are
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mated). As to getting rid of the human blight, pehaps we should
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bio-engineer a nice little virus... ;>
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--Les
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From Covenant@yabbs Fri Jul 22 15:17:40 1994
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From: Covenant@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: pro-anti-enviromentalist
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Date: Fri Jul 22 15:17:40 1994
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*sniff* tammie :( say it ain't so!! greenpeace :(
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sorry, everyone's entitled to their opinions :)
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I lived above the Cincinnati greenpeace office near the campus for a year and
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a half. It was always so nice to come home and see them smoking filtered
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cigarrets on the front step and flicking the butts into the street. I asked
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one of them about it once (some skinny punk with green hair) and was told
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"Fuck off". Little bastard almost felt some 'Appalachian fury'. :)
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And if any of you have talked to me before, you know that my life's goal is
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to disband the EPA. Come see the Ohio Valley coal mines sometime, if you
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can find one. The EPA shut us down: big time.
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This is a discussion group so I don't really feel bad about slamming
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environmentalism though I'm not exactly against it. It can be taken too far.
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Hollywood is hilarious too. Michael Stipe from REM (sorry Natalie :) )
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led a big protest about 5 years ago against deuterium. He said it was
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being used to make nuclear weapons. When someone goes out and protests
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the making of water, I think things have gone too far.
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Oh well, looking forward to reading this group,
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Covenant, who will probably be in jail soon for using the internet from
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this site
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From Natalie@yabbs Fri Jul 22 19:04:38 1994
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From: Natalie@yabbs
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To: PanPan@yabbs
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Subject: re: environmentalism
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Date: Fri Jul 22 19:04:38 1994
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i like the song meat is murder. it's such a pretty song...it's too pretty
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to be so grisly...i especially like the cows mooing and the saws at the
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beginning *smirk*...i don't eat a lot of meat, but once in a while i just
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HAVE to have a greasy mcdonald's cheeseburger....just one of those things,
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i guess...
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natalie
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From Natalie@yabbs Fri Jul 22 19:06:58 1994
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From: Natalie@yabbs
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To: Badger01@yabbs
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Subject: re: Then their race will die.
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Date: Fri Jul 22 19:06:58 1994
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not all zoos breed animals for wild release. i know that the detroit zoo
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was, for a while, in the habit of euthanising 'surplus' animals. this
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made a lot of ppl mad. i don't think steve graham is the director
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anymore.
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speaking of zoos, anyone other than me remember when some chimps at the
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norfolk, virginia zoo went bonkers? it was pretty cool...they threw their
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feces at all the ppl who came to see them. served the ppl right, IMHO....
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natalie
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From dmonger@yabbs Fri Jul 22 20:23:04 1994
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From: dmonger@yabbs
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To: Death@yabbs
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Subject: re: dolphins
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Date: Fri Jul 22 20:23:04 1994
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assylums - oh yeah, most of them are really good for your mental health :)
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nursing homes - gee, lets just dump mom and pop ... we've got the cash
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its not just people who have (arguably) done something to deserve being
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removed from the rest of society. Anyone or anything that is less able
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to defend itself gets put away.
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-peter
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From Death@yabbs Sat Jul 23 01:32:20 1994
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From: Death@yabbs
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To: dmonger@yabbs
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Subject: re: dolphins
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Date: Sat Jul 23 01:32:20 1994
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true... that's the whole problem with our "civilized" world...
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--Les
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From beachbum@yabbs Sat Jul 23 10:00:11 1994
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From: beachbum@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: quote
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Date: Sat Jul 23 10:00:11 1994
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"In the end we will conserve only what we love,
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we will love only what we understand,
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and we will understand only what we are taught"
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Baba Dloom
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Senegal
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Someone gave this to me, and I thought it made a lot of sense.
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Hope you do to.
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""""C____
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From thantos@yabbs Sat Jul 23 14:02:36 1994
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From: thantos@yabbs
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To: Cat@yabbs
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Subject: Greenpeace
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Date: Sat Jul 23 14:02:36 1994
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Greenpeace....BAWAHAHAHAHAHA! You have my condolences. If anyone out
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there would like to discuss why I would classify Greenpeace as "radical,
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egotistical, money-grubbing, scum" Let me know. This is not meant as
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personal offense at Cat or anyother particular member, just the groups
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methods.
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Thantos.
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From SueAnne@yabbs Sun Jul 24 01:18:30 1994
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From: SueAnne@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: re: Greenpeace
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Date: Sun Jul 24 01:18:30 1994
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I'm not a member of Greenpeace.
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I am a member of the Sierra Club.
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I also attend a place called Northland College, an Environmental/
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Liberal Arts College located in Ashland WI. It's a really cool
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place, has a great environmental studies program and I've really
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learned a lot here.
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About environmental issues..... I thoroughly enjoy how much
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paperwork various environmental organizations have sent me to
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try and join their causes.
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I personally try and do things myself... like reading the newspaper,
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finding out about issues that concern me and than sending mail
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to my local representatives and to my congressmen and women to try
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and get changes enacted.
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The latest thing that I found time for was the Bad Actor Mining Bill
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which was trying to get passed in Wisconsin. It would have basically
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forbid the EPA and other state government agencies from granting mining
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rights to companies who had been fined more than $10,000 in the past
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several years. The debate focused around exxon and their desire to dig a
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mine in Mole Lake... A very pristine area which also happens to be close
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to a Native American Reservation.
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Now that I've babbled for 20 lines... oh well. Anyway, I'll probably post
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here frequently, so I'll babble more later.
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From Deaska@yabbs Sun Jul 24 09:20:05 1994
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From: Deaska@yabbs
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To: thantos@yabbs
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Subject: re: Greenpeace
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Date: Sun Jul 24 09:20:05 1994
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isn't everything the same? whether you're chasing bottom lines in some
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rented highrise office, or saving some poor animal habitat...
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believe it or not, both cost money :)
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groups methods *chuckle* no way I'm gonna get caught hanging from a bridge
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or something, cat might though...
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*babble babble*
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purely fer yer enjoyment,
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D'
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From thantos@yabbs Mon Jul 25 00:57:38 1994
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From: thantos@yabbs
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To: Deaska@yabbs
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Subject: re: Greenpeace
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Date: Mon Jul 25 00:57:38 1994
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Tell me this, which would you prefer......:
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"Company X is polluting our environment. Give money to group A so that
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they can go and lie in the paths of Company X's vehicles to stop this
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polution."
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or
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"Company X is polluting our environment. Give money to group B so that
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they can fund research, and finance legislation to force Company X to
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change their methods of production to ones that are more environmentally
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sound."
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Catch my drift?
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Thantos.
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From Deaska@yabbs Mon Jul 25 02:06:19 1994
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From: Deaska@yabbs
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To: thantos@yabbs
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Subject: re: Greenpeace
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Date: Mon Jul 25 02:06:19 1994
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hehe... your drift?
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i don't know.. but greenpeace has this stigma of college students with
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nothing else to do but go to demonstrations an' wave banners, an' do
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browneyes at the cops...
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maybe, jus maybe its critics take a peek at the corporate side (well, i'm
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not sure that's the ideal use of the word corporate), but believe it or
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not, greenpeace is a bit more organsed than that thantos.. sure, we have
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the demonstrators doing the stuff that the 6 pm nightly news jus loves to
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focus on... but greenpeace is a helluva lot more than that...
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*warm smile*
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btw, i am in no way defening greenpeaces actions, i'll leave the emotions
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out of it :)
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er.. thats (defending) hehehe shit my typings farked...
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D'
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ps. shuddup steyr *smirk*
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From Patton@yabbs Mon Jul 25 08:46:21 1994
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From: Patton@yabbs
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To: Covenant@yabbs
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Subject: Coal Mines
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Date: Mon Jul 25 08:46:21 1994
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Covenant--
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I have seen SE Ohio and I agree that it is just a shell of what is was a
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few decades ago. But I have a story that will make you even more upset.
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Remember all the talk about acid rain back in the mid-80s? It was killing
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our forests, killing our lakes, and eating the paint off of your car at
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the same time. The FED government spent a couple hundred million dollars
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on a study of the problem using the best minds in the US. Essentially it
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was an effort to kill the coal industry in the US. It was believed that
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the report would show coal as the "Anti-Christ" of fuel sources. It
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showed nothing of the sort. Sen John Glenn took the report to the floor
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of the Senate and testified that the report showed that emmissions from
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coal plants were not the cause of a majority of acid rain. And that acid
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rain was not nearly as large a problem as the media and environmental
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groups had portrayed it as. He testified that for whatever the cause,
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increased PH in northern lakes could be countered with miniscule amounts
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of lime. Yet, Environmentalist groups refused to believe the report
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because their assumptions about coal were stronger than the burden
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scientific proof. The regulations on coal mining were not repealed and
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parts of Ohio, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia look like Dresden after
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WWII.
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-Patton
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Live Free or Die!
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From Patton@yabbs Mon Jul 25 08:47:58 1994
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From: Patton@yabbs
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To: Natalie@yabbs
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Subject: Meat is Murder
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Date: Mon Jul 25 08:47:58 1994
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I think Morrissey had the best line about the song during an interview
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with the BBC. In which he said,
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"It's not that I'm against meat or anything, but I just want people to
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realize where it came from."
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The mooing is a nice touch
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-Patton
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Live Free or Die!
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From dmonger@yabbs Mon Jul 25 09:11:36 1994
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From: dmonger@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: blah
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Date: Mon Jul 25 09:11:36 1994
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Captain Planet ... what a show
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-peter
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who loves animated teenagers telling everyone that we shouldn't even bother
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researching new power sources and cleanup methods cause they MIGHT do more harm then good if a bunch of super powered eco-villians did indeed exist
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From Badger01@yabbs Mon Jul 25 10:20:24 1994
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From: Badger01@yabbs
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To: Natalie@yabbs
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Subject: Is meat an environmental?
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Date: Mon Jul 25 10:20:24 1994
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Are we gonna bitch about meat here or on the food group? :)
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If we are remind me to post the poem I wrote about killing my pet cow on
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the poetry board.
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Badger01
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From Badger01@yabbs Mon Jul 25 10:21:23 1994
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From: Badger01@yabbs
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To: Natalie@yabbs
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Subject: re: Then their race will die.
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Date: Mon Jul 25 10:21:23 1994
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Primates are ALWAYS flinging feces.
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They are quite notorious for it.
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Badger's, on the other hand, just stalk and kill the gawkers.
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Badger01
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From Badger01@yabbs Mon Jul 25 10:23:13 1994
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From: Badger01@yabbs
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To: thantos@yabbs
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Subject: re: Greenpeace
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Date: Mon Jul 25 10:23:13 1994
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I go with choice C.
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"Wait for the CEO of Company A outside his house. Commit several felonies.
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Mail his body parts back to the Board of Directors for the next few
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years."
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That'll make them sweat, anyway.
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Badger01
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From Badger01@yabbs Mon Jul 25 10:25:20 1994
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From: Badger01@yabbs
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To: dmonger@yabbs
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Subject: Alternate Power
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Date: Mon Jul 25 10:25:20 1994
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I've always wanted to leave the planet. Maybe Hydrogen scoops will become
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practical.
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Badger01
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Does anyone see any Alt.Power being developed, or are we just supposed to
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pray to the sun fairy all day?
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From Patton@yabbs Mon Jul 25 16:28:16 1994
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From: Patton@yabbs
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To: dmonger@yabbs
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Subject: Cpt. Planet
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Date: Mon Jul 25 16:28:16 1994
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It is no coincidence that Captain Planet airs on Turner Network
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Television. Turner and his wife Jane Fonda have been strong supporters of
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various eco-causes since it became fashionable back in the mid-80s. In
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fact Turner once said that he agreed that journalists have gone beyond
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reporting the news and had started to actively pursue their own agendas on
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Environtal Issues. I never saw anything like this under the "Impartiality
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" heading in my journalism AP Writing Guide.
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Also notice how the the voices on the villains and on the kids are members
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of the Hollywood Green Party (Whoopi Goldburg, Martin Sheen, etc). I must
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stop before I start critiquing this further.
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-Patton
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Live Free or Die!
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From alarm@yabbs Mon Jul 25 20:16:08 1994
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From: alarm@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: consumption
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Date: Mon Jul 25 20:16:08 1994
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Some people think they deserve environmental kudos for recycling.
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Funny thing is that recycling also polutes our environment.
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Now I'm not against recycling, I do it as much as I can.
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What I am agianst is overconsumption.
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That means living like a normal American. Buy, buy, BUY.
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Our throw away society is throwing away our society.
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sounding the
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alarm
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From htoaster@yabbs Mon Jul 25 21:07:03 1994
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From: htoaster@yabbs
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To: alarm@yabbs
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Subject: re: consumption
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Date: Mon Jul 25 21:07:03 1994
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In message consumption, alarm said:
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> Now I'm not against recycling, I do it as much as I can.
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> What I am agianst is overconsumption.
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i totally agree with this...i was eating lunch today and someone was trying
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to decide what utensils to get (they're plastic) and she said: "oh well, it
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doesn't matter, they recycle"...
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what a looser comment...i generally try and bring my backpack with my where
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ever i go as well so that i don't need to get bags if i have the space...or
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take the panniers from my bike into stores for the same reasons...
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imagine all of the saved waste if everyone just carried a canvas bag or
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backpack or something with them everywhere.
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alex
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From Death@yabbs Tue Jul 26 00:53:22 1994
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From: Death@yabbs
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To: htoaster@yabbs
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Subject: re: consumption
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Date: Tue Jul 26 00:53:22 1994
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I agree with both of you completely...
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If our nation were to reuse half of what it recylces, insteadof making
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more things and recycling them, our environment would be much better
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off... Did that make sense? I don't think it came out right... oh well..
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anyways... I also usually carry my backpack with me, whenever I'm going to
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need a bag, because the amount of paper and plastic wasted on bagging
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things that people could carry themselves anyway is enormose. For example,
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I work at a Baskin & Robbins I Scream store, and frequently ppl come in
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and by 1 pint of ice cream, and then ask for a bag for it. In my opinion,
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this is ridiculous, because the contaner is better insulated than the bag
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is, and is probably easier to carry at that. The way people waste in this
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country, just because there is something TO waste, drives me nuts... If we
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wliminated a lot of things (like all the thousands of bags used per day in
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A supermarket) then ppl wouldn't waste them... Ah well, it looks like I'm
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rambling again... my $.03
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--Les
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From Natalie@yabbs Tue Jul 26 01:18:12 1994
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From: Natalie@yabbs
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To: Death@yabbs
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Subject: re: consumption
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Date: Tue Jul 26 01:18:12 1994
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well, i work in a retail store, (for those of you who didn't know) and
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part of my job is baggin ppl's shit after i ring it...now, if i can get
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away with it, i won't bag awkward things, like toilet paper or like the 5
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pack tissue...or the 3 pack maxi pads we have on sale this week
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thateveryone is buying. IMHO, it doesn't make it any easier to carry
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these things when they're bagged...they're gonna be awkward anyhoo...but
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some ppl want all their stuff bagged...even if it mean they stand
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there and watch me struggle to get in in w/o helping me one bit (oh
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thatmakes me steamed)....but i always bag the stuff in paper before
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plastic, partly because paper bags hold more than the plastic ones do and
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also because altho the paper does kill trees, ppl are more likely to reuse
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a paper bag than a plastic one....i know *I* am at least...and the plastic
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ones take up space in the landfills, w/o ever degrading...and while i know
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that a lot of the stuff in landfills doesn't degrade, the paper bags'll do
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it before the plastic ones do...
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natalie
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From Death@yabbs Tue Jul 26 01:44:07 1994
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From: Death@yabbs
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To: Natalie@yabbs
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Subject: re: consumption
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Date: Tue Jul 26 01:44:07 1994
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True... and ppl USUALLY replant trees after cutting them down for paper...
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But then, who knows? Maybe we're all going to die in 5 years anyways and
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it won't make a difference...
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--Les
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From pbj@yabbs Tue Jul 26 03:31:49 1994
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From: pbj@yabbs
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To: Death@yabbs
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Subject: re: consumption
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Date: Tue Jul 26 03:31:49 1994
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just thought i'd mention this to ya'll.....
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the amount of paper made from one acre of renewable( meaning it can be
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readily replanted) hemp is equal to the amount of paper made from 4 acres
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of nonrenewable(meaning the opposite of renewable) timber.....
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no you will all think thta i m a drug freak but rest assured that i am
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bnot or ever have been..i just think that that sucks
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pbj Colleen Marie Aweburning Mirrors
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From Globe@yabbs Tue Jul 26 04:30:37 1994
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From: Globe@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: Earth
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Date: Tue Jul 26 04:30:37 1994
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Earth is cool, so everybody should try not to fuck( excuse the language)
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it up. I mean, if you look at guam, we have Ordot landfill it used to be a
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very small valley, now it is a 200 foot tall mountain of trash. Now, they
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are thinking of putting in a recycling plant, which everybody is for. So
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do not let earth look like Ordot Landfill. Ok?
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Protect the,
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Globe
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From thantos@yabbs Tue Jul 26 07:46:46 1994
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From: thantos@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: re: Earth
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Date: Tue Jul 26 07:46:46 1994
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There is another way of looking at this subject which very few people seem
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willing or able to see. Here's an excerpt from the book Jurassic Park
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which pretty much sums it all up.
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Although most people believe that the planet is in jeopardy, it is not.
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Our planet is four and a half billion years old. There has been life
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on this planet for nearly that long. 3.8 billion years. The first
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bacteria. And, later, the first multicellular animals, then the first
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complex creatures, in the sea, on the land. Then the great sweeping ages
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of animals - the amphibians, the dinosaurs, the mammals, each lasting
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millions upon millions of years. Great dynasties of creatures arising,
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flousishing, dying away. All this happening against a background of
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continous and violent upheaval, mauntain ranges thrust up and eroded away,
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cometary impacts, volcanic eruptions, oceans rising and falling, whole
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continents moving... Endless and constand and violent change... Even
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today, the greatest geographical feature on the planet comes from two
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great continents colliding, buckling to make the Himalayan mountain range
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over millions of years. The planet has survived everyting in its time.
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It will certainly survive us.
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"Just because it lasted a long time, doesn't mean it is permanent. If
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there was a radiation accident..."
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Suppose there was. Let's say we had a bad one, and all the plants and
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animals died, and the earth was clicking hot for a hundred thousand years.
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Life would survive somewhere - under the soil, or perhaps frozen in Arctic
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ice. And after all those years, when the planet was no longer
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inhospitable, life would again spread over the planet. The evolutionary
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process would begin again. It might take a few billion years for life to
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regain its present variety. And of course it would be very different from
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what it is now. But the earth would survive our folly. Life would
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survive our folly. Only we, think it wouldn't.
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"Well, if the ozone layer gets thinner - "
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There would be more ultraviolet radiation reaching the surface.
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So what?
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"Well, it'll cause skin cancer."
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Ultraviolet radiation is good for life. It is powerful energy. It
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promotes mutation, change. Many forms of life will thrive with more UV
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radiation.
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"And many other will die out."
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You think this is the first time such a thing has happened? Don't you
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know about oxygen?
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"I know that it is necessary for life."
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It is now, but oxygen is actually a metabolic poison. It's a
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corrosive gase, like flouring, which is used to etch glass. And when
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oxygen was first produced as a waste product by certain plant cells - say
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|
around 3 billion years ago - it created a crisis for all other life on our
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planet. Those plant cells were polluting the environment with a deadly
|
|
poison. They were exhaling a lethal gas, and building up its
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concentration. A planet like Venus has less than one percent oxygen. On
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earth, the concentration of oxygen was going up rapidly - five ten,
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eventually twenty-one percent. Earthe had an atmosphere of pure poison!
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Incompatible with life!
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"So what is the point? That modern pollutants will be incorporated
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too?"
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No. The point is that life on earth can take care of itself. In the
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thinking of a human being, a hundred years is a long time. A hundred
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years ago, we didn't have cars and airplanes and computers and vaccines...
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It was a whole different world. But to the earth, a hundred years is
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nothing. This planet lives and breathes on a much vaster scale. We can't
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imagine its slow and powerful rhythms, and we haven't got the humility to
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try. We have been residents here for the blink of an eye. If we are gone
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tomorrow the earth will not miss us.
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"And we very well might be gone."
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Yes. We might.
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"So what are you saying? We shouldn't care about the environment?"
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No, ofcourse not.
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"Then what?"
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Let's be clear. The planet is not in jeopardy. We are in jepoardy.
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We haven't got the power to destroy the planet - or to save it. But we
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might have the power to save ourselves.
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Rather lengthy I will admitt, but I think it gets a point across. Let's
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face it ....the planet's gonna survive with, or with out us. The best we
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can do is to prolong it's livablility for our species.
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Awaiting hate mail,
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Thantos. o/o
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From Patton@yabbs Tue Jul 26 09:02:28 1994
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From: Patton@yabbs
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To: thantos@yabbs
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Subject: Hate Mail
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Date: Tue Jul 26 09:02:28 1994
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Thantos--
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I really enjoyed your post. Thanks for putting it on.
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-Patton
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Live free or Die!
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From Badger01@yabbs Tue Jul 26 09:45:42 1994
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From: Badger01@yabbs
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To: pbj@yabbs
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Subject: Hemp and America
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Date: Tue Jul 26 09:45:42 1994
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HEmp is the most american substance there is. The father of our bleedin
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COUTRY farmed it, so what does the Fed Gov have against it? The uses
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BESIDES smoking it are pretty varied, and even tyhough I mainly used
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psychoactives and exotic drugs (PARADOX: I've shot up...but I've never
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smoked anything, EVER...I've never ever ingested any Marijuana) I can't
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see the harm in making Pot legal...God, booze is a drug that should be
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controlled heavier (Although thankfully for my anemic social life it wont)
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Badger01
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From Badger01@yabbs Tue Jul 26 09:48:11 1994
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From: Badger01@yabbs
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To: thantos@yabbs
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Subject: re: Earth
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Date: Tue Jul 26 09:48:11 1994
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Beautifully put, o Thanatos. In fact, it's been revealed that if every
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singel nuclear weapon on the face of the planet went off at once...the
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planet would NOT crack like an egg, as some people thought. We'd just lose
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the surface thousand feet, probably. The planet would still be here...and
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eventually, would support life again (Not HUMAN life...but hey, I've been
|
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arguing to eliminate them anyway.)
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Badger01
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From htoaster@yabbs Tue Jul 26 13:45:36 1994
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From: htoaster@yabbs
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To: pbj@yabbs
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Subject: re: consumption
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Date: Tue Jul 26 13:45:36 1994
|
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In message re: consumption, pbj said:
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> the amount of paper made from one acre of renewable( meaning it can be
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> readily replanted) hemp is equal to the amount of paper made from 4 acres
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> of nonrenewable(meaning the opposite of renewable) timber.....
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and it doesn't require any pesticides to grow it, like cotton, which gets
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half of the pesticdes used in our country (according to the hemp faq, which
|
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is probably slightly biased, but the figure is still probably up there)...
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alex
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From hawke@yabbs Wed Jul 27 03:38:17 1994
|
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From: hawke@yabbs
|
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To: pbj@yabbs
|
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Subject: re: consumption
|
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Date: Wed Jul 27 03:38:17 1994
|
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pbj not to sound like i am bashing ya or nothin but the last time i
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checked trees were a renewable resource . yes it does take longer to grow
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but that is why selective cutting was created. you selectively cut
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certain trees and leave others to grow then you replant the trees you took
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in the end everything ballances. and as far as pesticides trees dont need
|
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those either .
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I was born and raised in a small northern wisconsin town that
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survived off of the paper mill there i have been to many of there
|
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operations because my father is a foreman there using selective cutting
|
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process i have never seen an area were the wood was harested for our mill
|
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that suffered. we still had plenty of animals and birds and bugs in those
|
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areas as in others in fact there were at times even more because it
|
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created open spaces for food to grow for the herbavores.
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well thats enough for nowoh one last thing the mills in wisconsin also
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used a mixture of 50% wood 50% recycled paper now i cant speak for the
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rest of the mills b ut this works just great and wiscosin still has
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lots-o-trees. :)
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hawke
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From alarm@yabbs Wed Jul 27 16:02:59 1994
|
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From: alarm@yabbs
|
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To: hawke@yabbs
|
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Subject: paper or plastic
|
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Date: Wed Jul 27 16:02:59 1994
|
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hawke,
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Since you grew up near a mill, could you, or anyone else, try to clear
|
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something up for me. I like to use paper bags and paper cups and such
|
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instead of plastic and styrofoam because it seems more environmentally
|
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sound, but someone told me that it takes a lot more energy and causes more
|
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air polution to make paper products than plastic and especially
|
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styrofoam. So the question is, do mills polute the air and water?
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thanks,
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alarm
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From Covenant@yabbs Wed Jul 27 20:08:19 1994
|
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From: Covenant@yabbs
|
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To: alarm@yabbs
|
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Subject: re: paper or plastic
|
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Date: Wed Jul 27 20:08:19 1994
|
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hmm, I've heard that too alarm but I'm not sure if it's true.
|
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one thing I DO know is that recycling aluminum (today) pollutes more than
|
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just mining new ore.
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and just a little trivia:
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did you all know that the CFC-ozone reaction has ONLY been seen in very
|
|
controlled laboratory experiments. It has never been observed in nature.
|
|
Even in the laboratory, the reaction is soo small as to be neglected.
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Coal Power Forever!
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Covenant, The Appalachian
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oh yeah, death to the EPA :)
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From Xela@yabbs Thu Jul 28 01:24:53 1994
|
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From: Xela@yabbs
|
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To: alarm@yabbs
|
|
Subject: paper
|
|
Date: Thu Jul 28 01:24:53 1994
|
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|
|
Bleaching of paper ends up with the subsequent production of waste
|
|
dioxins, the same carcinogens found in Agent Orange and other herbicides.
|
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Production of plastic isn't so much environmentally irresponsible as the
|
|
*solvents* and reactions used.
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If you want to stick with paper, go with unbleached products. And beware
|
|
of claims of packaging made with "recyled" cardboard. Cardboard, in true
|
|
essence, is reconstituted paper. Read the post-consumer content and make
|
|
sure it is acceptable; EPA requires at least 35% to be called recycled.
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X
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From Xela@yabbs Thu Jul 28 01:29:31 1994
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From: Xela@yabbs
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To: Covenant@yabbs
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Subject: re: paper or plastic
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Date: Thu Jul 28 01:29:31 1994
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Are you certain recycling aluminium pollutes more than mining new ore?
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Recycling previously mined ore uses a third of the electricity, as the
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separation of Al from the ore uses a shitload of juice. Using less
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fossil-fuel driven electricity would be less polluting...
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Also, UV B radiation levels have been steadily increasing... The CFC-ozone
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reaction may have scientific merit; what remains is to draw the
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colleration *scientifically* with more studies. Until then it is always
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wise to wait until we're sure.
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X
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From Phreddie@yabbs Thu Jul 28 02:42:28 1994
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From: Phreddie@yabbs
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To: Badger01@yabbs
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Subject: re: Hemp and America
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Date: Thu Jul 28 02:42:28 1994
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Yep.. that's right.. Cypress Hill's Black Sunday has a very good cover..
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inside it lists some of the history of hemp, and how the US advocated it
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it during the world war.. things like that..
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I think that if alcohol is legal, then hemp/cannibis/mj/whatever you call
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it should also be legalized..
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Like Cypress Hill put it:
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"More than 150,000 Americans die of alcohol abuse each year.
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But in 10,000 years of usage, no one has ever died from marijuana."
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From hawke@yabbs Thu Jul 28 03:18:28 1994
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From: hawke@yabbs
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To: alarm@yabbs
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Subject: re: paper or plastic
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Date: Thu Jul 28 03:18:28 1994
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as far as energy is concerned it now takes less energy to make paper than
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styrofoam and plastic although a few years agoo it wasnt that way. as far
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as pollution is concerned yes paper mills do cause some pollution but ,
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with all of the new technology in preventiong pollution in the papermill
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industry it has been drastically cut down although it hasnt been
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eliminated. compared to plastic and styraphoam mills paper mills cause a
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little bit more initial pollution but when you figure in that styraphoam
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stays around for about 200 years because it isnt bio degradable it makes
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me think that paper is alot less polluting .
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hawke
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From Deluge@yabbs Thu Jul 28 04:57:19 1994
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From: Deluge@yabbs
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To: Phreddie@yabbs
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Subject: re: Hemp and America
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Date: Thu Jul 28 04:57:19 1994
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Thats the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard...Have you ever heard
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of people who've got blunted, try to drive, and kill theirselves? I have.
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Although not as many as alchol, it has happened. Also, in 1987 17 people
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died on a train because the conductor had been smokin' pot, and he screwed
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up big time.
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From Famine@yabbs Thu Jul 28 05:34:57 1994
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From: Famine@yabbs
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To: Deluge@yabbs
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Subject: re: Hemp and America
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Date: Thu Jul 28 05:34:57 1994
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In message re: Hemp and America, Deluge said:
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> Thats the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard...Have you ever heard
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> of people who've got blunted, try to drive, and kill theirselves? I have.
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> Although not as many as alchol, it has happened. Also, in 1987 17 people
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> died on a train because the conductor had been smokin' pot, and he screwed
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> up big time.
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>
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The answer to your statement is so obvious, drink driving is dangerous, no
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thats too kind, stupid, irresponsible and anti-social. But so also is driving
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whilst under the influence of other narcotics. Its not the drug thats doing
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the killing in that situation its the person who is unable to respond to a
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situation as the result of being intoxicated.
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In the case of alcohol, you won't blame the drug would you Deluge, so why
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blame pot for the train crash?
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Famine.
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p.s. I think I should have changed the title to Heap and the World and Large!
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From Deluge@yabbs Thu Jul 28 08:52:28 1994
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From: Deluge@yabbs
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To: Famine@yabbs
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Subject: re: Hemp and America
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Date: Thu Jul 28 08:52:28 1994
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You are absolutely right, Famine. sorry :) It is the idiot's fault who
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decides to get stoned before he does one of those things...I get those
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confused sometimes....
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From Badger01@yabbs Thu Jul 28 13:04:20 1994
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From: Badger01@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: Carnivores that will die
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Date: Thu Jul 28 13:04:20 1994
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Enogh with the Frigging Dolphin.
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Let's talk about Sharks...They ain't cuddly, cute, or even smart, but they
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ARE extinction bound. For every human a shark kills, five million sharks
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die. Why?
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I don't know. Why are the Alaskan Wol\f Hunts still happening?
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That's the activity where a bunch of human with high powered rifles go up
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in a helicopter and assasinate a pack of wolves...
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Why? I don't know.
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It seems that if an animal is made to eat meat, we hate it.
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I hate us for it.
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Badger01
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Stop Killing Natures Harvesters.
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From PanPan@yabbs Thu Jul 28 14:41:38 1994
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From: PanPan@yabbs
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To: Natalie@yabbs
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Subject: Consolidated
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Date: Thu Jul 28 14:41:38 1994
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I'll have to dig out my old C'dated tapes. I haven't listened to any of
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their stuff in a while, so I don't know if there are other pro-environment
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songs or not. I know there's at least two more on Play More Music, but
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I'd have to ask around for the others.
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As for vegetarianism, that's fine if that's what you want to do. Call me
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a hypocrite, but I can't eat JUST vegetables/plants, I crave meat (and Soy
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just doesn't do it for me). Oh well, I guess I'm just an uncultured
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neanderthal! Grug make fire! Arr!
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PanPan
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From Razzlman@yabbs Thu Jul 28 20:16:41 1994
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From: Razzlman@yabbs
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To: Badger01@yabbs
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Subject: re: Alternate Power
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Date: Thu Jul 28 20:16:41 1994
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I think were just supposed to wait for the next Comets. Whether they be
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those big flying thingies or a giant can of cleaner.
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Razzlman
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list
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q
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From Zbadba@yabbs Fri Jul 29 18:19:55 1994
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From: Zbadba@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: Generic, all-purpose reply
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Date: Fri Jul 29 18:19:55 1994
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First, I am a member of Greenpeace, tho, like any organization, it has its
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problems.
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Second, it is absolutely true that CFC's don't decompose ozone. They are,
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however, a catalyst; it is the exposure of ozone to UV radiation in the
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presence or CFC's that leads to a breakdown.
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Third, Hemp kills. Just as alcohol kills, cocaine kills, or apple
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juice kills. Everything you consume contains something toxic to your
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body. The Cypress Hill album (if I remember correctly), attributes a high
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death toll to alcohol which includes accidents (i.e. DUI). Not only do
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they ignore the accident factor, they also ignore other factors (i.e. the
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damage the smoke inflicts on your lungs, etc.)
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Who knows how many cases of lung cancer can be attributed to hemp?
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That's all for now.
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From htoaster@yabbs Fri Jul 29 19:16:24 1994
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From: htoaster@yabbs
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To: Zbadba@yabbs
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Subject: re: Generic, all-purpose reply
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Date: Fri Jul 29 19:16:24 1994
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> Who knows how many cases of lung cancer can be attributed to hemp?
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zero.
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the only deaths that have ever come from hemp have come through accidents
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while high (like crashing a car). no deaths can be attributed to hemp
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itself or smoking it.
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of course since it is an illegal drug not a whole lot of careful scientific
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study has been done on it. what has been done was done by very biased
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organizations and has been considered un-useful by the scientific community.
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with regards to smoking it hemp does have some different properities from
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tobacco in that it opens up the lungs, making it easier for your lungs to
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expell the smoke itself. tobacco doesn't have this property. this is one
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of the reasons that hemp is seen as having some medical uses for the
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asmatha community.
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disclaimer: i don't have any direct evidence for this, and it all comes as
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hearsay from the hemp faq and other sources that i've read. if you're
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in more of this stuff you should read the hemp faq, which you can get from
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alt.hemp or rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/alt.hemp or /pub/usenet/alt.drugs.
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alex
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From Steyr@yabbs Sat Jul 30 07:20:06 1994
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From: Steyr@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: Hemp
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Date: Sat Jul 30 07:20:06 1994
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* Alcohol can be attributed to far more deaths than hemp.
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* Hemp is not overly harmful to an individuals health.
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(Actions while under the influence excepted, as per alcohol)
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* Alcohol is both legal and socially accepted. Why not hemp ?
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It's not the substance that kills, it's the dickhead that
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smokes/drinks/injects/snorts/etc it.
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I have nothing against someone getting quietly stonned in the
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privacy of their own homes. I have nothing against people going
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to a place specifically set up for smoking. I DO have something
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against idiots that do one of the above and THEN make a public
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|
nuisance/danger of themselves.
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Either ban alcohol, or lay off hemp. Anyone who stands by alcohol
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but tries to shit-can hemp should pull their head out of their ass
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and have a look around.
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,,,
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(o o)
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+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
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| \ \ |
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| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
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| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
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| / / |
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+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
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From Badger01@yabbs Sat Jul 30 13:55:28 1994
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From: Badger01@yabbs
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To: Zbadba@yabbs
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Subject: Hello, Greenie
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Date: Sat Jul 30 13:55:28 1994
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Okay, I want to know something:
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(And altyhough I am emotionally invested in this, my rage is not aimed at
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YOU, Zbadba...so I should make haste to apologize for any inadverdent
|
|
flame that spills on you.)
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Where the HELL is Greenpeace during the Wolf Hunts in Russia and America?
|
|
Durnoing the Japaneese Shark Slaughtere? Or the Pirhana killings? Why do
|
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they worry about the cute and the smart and the loveable, but not the
|
|
predatorial!? Why are cougars and wolves and suchlike expendable to them!?
|
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WHY!? Why can the American Badger nearly go the way of the FUCKING DODO
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without word ONE from them!
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Again, that wasn't aimed at you, Zbadba...you may very well care for this
|
|
issue. BUT GREENPEACE DOESN'T!!!
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I say it's time to get my gun and go out into the woods...and the next
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poacher I see DIES.
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Badger01
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Hunting the Human Animal
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From Zbadba@yabbs Sat Jul 30 22:55:15 1994
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From: Zbadba@yabbs
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To: Badger01@yabbs
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Subject: re: Hello, Greenie
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Date: Sat Jul 30 22:55:15 1994
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For the record, Greenpeace was among the groups in opposition to the wolf
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hunts in Alaska.
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Can't say about the others; I just don't have the data.
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Go get your gun, if you like, but the only thing you have a perogative to
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kill is yourself.
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From Steyr@yabbs Mon Aug 1 00:22:03 1994
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From: Steyr@yabbs
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To: Zbadba@yabbs
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Subject: re: Hello, Greenie
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Date: Mon Aug 1 00:22:03 1994
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"the only thing you have a perogative to kill is yourself".
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Suicide is illegal.
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From GPF@yabbs Mon Aug 1 00:40:53 1994
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From: GPF@yabbs
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To: Steyr@yabbs
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|
Subject: re: Hello, Greenie
|
|
Date: Mon Aug 1 00:40:53 1994
|
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|
|
In message re: Hello, Greenie, Steyr said:
|
|
> "the only thing you have a perogative to kill is yourself".
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>
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|
> Suicide is illegal.
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|
so what are they going to do? execute you?
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sorry, couldn't resist...
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From Patton@yabbs Mon Aug 1 08:32:08 1994
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From: Patton@yabbs
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To: Badger01@yabbs
|
|
Subject: cute and cuddly
|
|
Date: Mon Aug 1 08:32:08 1994
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Cute and Cuddly brings in the donations. Sharks don't (except for Charlie
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Tuna).
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-patton
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From Bearclaw@yabbs Mon Aug 1 11:21:03 1994
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From: Bearclaw@yabbs
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To: Zbadba@yabbs
|
|
Subject: re: Hello, Greenie
|
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Date: Mon Aug 1 11:21:03 1994
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|
So, you advocate the Poacher's right to kill, but not Badge's?
|
|
(Okay, we happen to be the same guy, but still....)
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From Zbadba@yabbs Mon Aug 1 15:14:54 1994
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From: Zbadba@yabbs
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To: Steyr@yabbs
|
|
Subject: re: Hello, Greenie
|
|
Date: Mon Aug 1 15:14:54 1994
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"Suicide is illegal"
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Wrong. Not anymore. No state has laws on the books now agains suicide.
|
|
There are, however, laws in many states about assisting in a suicide.
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From Zbadba@yabbs Mon Aug 1 15:16:24 1994
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From: Zbadba@yabbs
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To: Bearclaw@yabbs
|
|
Subject: re: Hello, Greenie
|
|
Date: Mon Aug 1 15:16:24 1994
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"So, you advocate the Poacher's right to kill, but not Badge's?"
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Did I say that? I don't think I did.
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From Covenant@yabbs Mon Aug 1 19:57:58 1994
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From: Covenant@yabbs
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To: Badger01@yabbs
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Subject: re: Hello, Greenie
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Date: Mon Aug 1 19:57:58 1994
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heeheeeee, remember when Greenpeace went to save the baby seals? They
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painted the poor things green so that their pelts wouldn't be worth anything
|
|
so that hunters would leave them alone. One problem, these poor creatures
|
|
relied on that white coat for camoflague. The predators had a field day.
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From Badger01@yabbs Mon Aug 1 20:54:23 1994
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From: Badger01@yabbs
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To: Covenant@yabbs
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Subject: re: Hello, Greenie
|
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Date: Mon Aug 1 20:54:23 1994
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It's almsot as if nature abhorres a seal :)
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Badger01
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From Natalie@yabbs Tue Aug 2 01:00:50 1994
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From: Natalie@yabbs
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To: Zbadba@yabbs
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Subject: re: Hello, Greenie
|
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Date: Tue Aug 2 01:00:50 1994
|
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|
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note: dr. kevorkian was tried the first time in the 52nd district court,
|
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which is about 3 miles from my house. he's jes' a local boy....now they
|
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try him down in royal oak. *sigh* our claim to fame is gone gone gone...
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natalie
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From Patton@yabbs Tue Aug 2 09:19:13 1994
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From: Patton@yabbs
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To: Natalie@yabbs
|
|
Subject: the good Dr.
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Date: Tue Aug 2 09:19:13 1994
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Natalie--
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this may be a little off the enviro subject, but the Good Doctor K, just
|
|
cracks me up. Not what he does, but how he goes about doing it. He
|
|
assists and the courts tell him no. He assists and wins in court. He
|
|
assists and wins in court again. The MI legislature passes a law
|
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forbidding assisted suicide. He assists two or three more times before
|
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the law goes into effect. He assists the week the law goes into effect to
|
|
challenge the law. He wins in court. Etc, etc, etc.
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If they were casting the part of a creepy pathologist, this guy would get
|
|
it hands down. He is unapologetic. He is readily defiant of anything in
|
|
his crusade. He is Jack the Dripper. The guy just cracks me up.
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-Patton
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Live Free or Die!
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From Badger01@yabbs Tue Aug 2 09:44:07 1994
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From: Badger01@yabbs
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To: Patton@yabbs
|
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Subject: re: the good Dr.
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Date: Tue Aug 2 09:44:07 1994
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Check out his artwork...he doesn't just WORK in death...He lives there.
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Badger01
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From Natalie@yabbs Tue Aug 2 10:33:24 1994
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From: Natalie@yabbs
|
|
To: Patton@yabbs
|
|
Subject: re: the good Dr.
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Date: Tue Aug 2 10:33:24 1994
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dr. kevorkian is rad. he cracks me up everytime. they can't stop him.
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heehee...
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natalie
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From icebox@yabbs Tue Aug 2 16:05:18 1994
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From: icebox@yabbs
|
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To: all@yabbs
|
|
Subject: SHARKS!
|
|
Date: Tue Aug 2 16:05:18 1994
|
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|
|
Did anyone see the special on the discovery channel the other day?
|
|
SHARKS are not only harmless, they are VERY intelligent! Makes ya
|
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kinda
|
|
wonder where our heads are at, eh pilgrim?
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From Steyr@yabbs Wed Aug 3 07:03:33 1994
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From: Steyr@yabbs
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To: Zbadba@yabbs
|
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Subject: Suicide
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Date: Wed Aug 3 07:03:33 1994
|
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Legal ? That's cool. I always thought it should be.
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Still, to the best of my knowledge, it's illegal here (Australia).
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,,,
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(o o)
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+----oOO--(_)--OOo----+ +--------------------------+
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| \ \ |
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| Barry Noble / / Melbourne, Australia. |
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| (Steyr) \ \ Steyr@GPO.swin.edu.au |
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| / / |
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+---------------------+ +--------------------------+
|
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From Badger01@yabbs Wed Aug 3 08:47:39 1994
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From: Badger01@yabbs
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|
To: icebox@yabbs
|
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Subject: re: SHARKS!
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Date: Wed Aug 3 08:47:39 1994
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|
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Yeah, SHARK WEEK is one of the D channels good ideas, but they don't take
|
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it far enough. EVERY endangered predator deserves at least a week. (I CAN
|
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SEE IT NOW! Wolf Week, Bear Week, BADGER WEEK!!!)
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|
Badger01
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From Patton@yabbs Wed Aug 3 11:50:49 1994
|
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From: Patton@yabbs
|
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To: all@yabbs
|
|
Subject: sharks
|
|
Date: Wed Aug 3 11:50:49 1994
|
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|
|
I hate to bring up a negative post about sharks, but I saw a really cool
|
|
special on shark attacks on surfers this weekend. Seems as if sharks have
|
|
really bad eyes (Sorry Badger01...) and mistake paddling surfers for seals
|
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or other tastey morsels. Some great stories about seeing something rise
|
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out of the waves and go after them.
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|
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One other thing. When I was much younger I was down in Hilton Head, SC a
|
|
few days before a tropical depression blew in. In a foot of water you
|
|
could see small (4-6 inch) baby sharks swimming around. We thought it was
|
|
cool so we would catch them in buckets to get a closer look (don't worry
|
|
we released them unharmed). Is this normal behaviour? Was it because of
|
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the impending storm?
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-Patton
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Live Free or Die!
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From Badger01@yabbs Wed Aug 3 13:17:31 1994
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From: Badger01@yabbs
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To: Patton@yabbs
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Subject: re: sharks
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Date: Wed Aug 3 13:17:31 1994
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Why do you think sharks attacking surfers is negative? Sharks are
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PREDATORS...they eat meat, and yes, occasionally they mistake surfers for
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seals...but they don't eat the surfers, they bite them, taste the man
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taste (For some reason I don't understand, Humans are the most unpalatable
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animal to 99% of the worlds predators) and usually let go (NOT always, but
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usually) And even if they don't, do the ten or fifteen attacks a year
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really equal the MILLIONS of sharks killed every year? Doubtful,
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and besides my point is that Sharks, Wolves, and other endangered animals,
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while not cute and friendly like the dolphin, are even MORE important to
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the foodchain (Without natural arch predation, species expansion leads to
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species extinction)
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Save our meat eating uncute bretheren!
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Badger01
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From Natalie@yabbs Wed Aug 3 16:00:51 1994
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From: Natalie@yabbs
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To: Badger01@yabbs
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Subject: re: sharks
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Date: Wed Aug 3 16:00:51 1994
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last winter, the last time the discover channel had shark week, apparently
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they kept a running count of how many of the divers were attacked by
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sharks as opposed to the divers attacking sharks. it was pretty
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rad...you'd see on the screen, Sharks 10, Humans 0. they were totally on
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the sharks side too....it was coooool...i think sharks are the neatest
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animals, i really do.
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natalie
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From Deluge@yabbs Wed Aug 3 16:24:20 1994
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From: Deluge@yabbs
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To: Badger01@yabbs
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Subject: re: sharks
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Date: Wed Aug 3 16:24:20 1994
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Are you saying that I'm not too tasty? darn...I guess I'll have to stop
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wearing my ode de garlic. :)
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From Patton@yabbs Wed Aug 3 16:38:25 1994
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From: Patton@yabbs
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To: Badger01@yabbs
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Subject: shark attacks
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Date: Wed Aug 3 16:38:25 1994
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Call me soft hearted, but I still can't come out and openly endorse shark
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attacks on people :). But you have a real point in that millions give
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generously to causes to save pandas, sea otters, and other critters that
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make up the backbone of the stuffed toy industry. Are their places in the
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ecosystem any more important than the chief carnivore of the seas? Are
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they just guilty of "Lookism" and "Specieism"? They are so PC one minute,
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then so un-PC the next. How could this be?
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-Patton
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Patton knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men...
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From Badger01@yabbs Thu Aug 4 09:13:15 1994
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From: Badger01@yabbs
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To: Patton@yabbs
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Subject: re: shark attacks
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Date: Thu Aug 4 09:13:15 1994
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That's cool, I guess..you are loyal to your species. I myself have no
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compunctions, because the truth is, SOMETHING IS GOING TO KILL EVERYONE.
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Americans have this obsession with immortality...they don't want to admit
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they'll die somehow, no matter what they do.
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For instance, the cougar is expanding his range now that we aren't
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slaughtering him with the same impunity...causing him to have
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more encounters with man...causing some people to cry to the hills that
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the cougar is a dangerous killer. Yes, he is. But compared to man, he's an
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amatuerish buffoon...Mankind is the most lethal killer. So these people
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are trying to get the cougars protection revoked, so if they see one,
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instead of avoiding it, they can kill it. This is typical human arrogance.
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If the COUGAR doesn't kill them, eventually, FAT CELLS might!
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Badger01
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Who knows that cougars try like hell to avoid evil, smelly, bad tasting
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humans
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From alarm@yabbs Thu Aug 4 16:58:39 1994
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From: alarm@yabbs
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To: Badger01@yabbs
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Subject: death
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Date: Thu Aug 4 16:58:39 1994
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statistics show that one out of one die
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-that's just about everyone, don't you think.
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Terry
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From pbj@yabbs Fri Aug 5 01:20:45 1994
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From: pbj@yabbs
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To: alarm@yabbs
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Subject: re: death
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Date: Fri Aug 5 01:20:45 1994
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hey did you know that such activities as breathing and eating tomatoes can
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kill you......everybody that did that in 1855 is
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dead.....hmmmmm....i wonder...hehehe
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pbj
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mirrors
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aweburning
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colleen marie
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From Death@yabbs Fri Aug 5 03:21:47 1994
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From: Death@yabbs
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To: Badger01@yabbs
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Subject: re: sharks
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Date: Fri Aug 5 03:21:47 1994
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Hey! Who ever said wolves aren't cute? sure, they're vicious predators,
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but once they get to know you, they are actually VERY friendly, as well as
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extraordinarily protective. They are also one of the most intelligent
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"wild" animals that lives on land. I had the opportunity to study a wolf,
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up close and personal (although at first I didn't get too close) a couple
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of years ago, and I found that after about a month or so, he was actually
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playful. (this doesn't just happen in the movies). granted, I have a
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couple of scars from him nipping at me, but I learned a lot obout wolves,
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and animals in general from it.
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--Les
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Keep in mind that not only do humans taste bad to other animals, but they
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also, as was said earlier, are the worst killers of animals and destroyers
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of animals' environments that EVER walked, crawled, swum, or flew on the
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face of the earth.
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From Typhon@yabbs Fri Aug 5 09:41:56 1994
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From: Typhon@yabbs
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To: Death@yabbs
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Subject: re: sharks
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Date: Fri Aug 5 09:41:56 1994
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When I said that Wolves aren't "Cute" (BTW: I'm The Former
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Badger01...Seems I really want to change my name, huh? I keep doing it.)
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What I meant was that they aren't HARMLESS cute. People like the way
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wolves look, but don't want them around them. The same with Mountain Lions
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Re; Cougars Re: Pumas, whereas the human population loves them if they
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stay penned up in a distant valley instead of attempting to fulfill their
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niche in the ecosystem. Hell, Badgers are very attractive
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animals...Predators are usually Aesthetically pleasing (Why this is isn't
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clear) and if you look at what Humankind has made domestic for the sake of
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Pets as opposed to meat, the overwhelming majority were predatorial...but
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the ones in the wild we assasinate.
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Typhon the Usurper
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From alarm@yabbs Fri Aug 5 12:52:50 1994
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From: alarm@yabbs
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To: Badger01@yabbs
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Subject: re: shark attacks
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Date: Fri Aug 5 12:52:50 1994
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Hey,
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You said that humans smell bad and taste bad. I was thinking, is the
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reason that people are not often attacked by animals mostly because they
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stink. In Taiwan they sell this stuff called stinky tofu and it smells
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like sewage to me. I could never get the stuff into my mouth.
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Maybe we are just the stinky tofu of the wild kingdom. :)
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alarm, that smelly guy.
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From Death@yabbs Fri Aug 5 13:27:04 1994
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From: Death@yabbs
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To: Typhon@yabbs
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Subject: re: sharks
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Date: Fri Aug 5 13:27:04 1994
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All too true, my friend. As to why predators are good looking: wouldn't
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YOU like it if a stupid animal who thought you were "cute" came right up
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to you, practically into your jaws (ie that stupid woman in Alaska who
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jumped the fences around a polar bear's cage to get closer for a better
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picture of the "polar bear that looked SO cute when it was asleep...").
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It's yet another tool they employ to catch their pray. And wolves, as well
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as most other predators, ARE "harmless cute." They will only attack humans
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if the humans attack them first. We stupid humans think that WE own the
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world, but the animals don't see it that way, and if we invade their
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territory they respond the same way that, for instance, the US would
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respond to an invasion from Canada: they attack back. (that was TOTALLY
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hypothetical, so don't get on a thread about how that'll never happen,
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please).
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my 2% of a dollar's worth
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--Les
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From Death@yabbs Fri Aug 5 13:27:45 1994
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From: Death@yabbs
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To: typhon@yabbs
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Subject: re: sharks
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Date: Fri Aug 5 13:27:45 1994
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BTW, nice new name :>
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From icebox@yabbs Sat Aug 6 21:14:15 1994
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From: icebox@yabbs
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To: Badger01@yabbs
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Subject: re: SHARKS!
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Date: Sat Aug 6 21:14:15 1994
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Very cute....very cute - Badger.
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From icebox@yabbs Sat Aug 6 21:20:33 1994
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From: icebox@yabbs
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To: Patton@yabbs
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Subject: re: sharks
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Date: Sat Aug 6 21:20:33 1994
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Very good. I would think that the electrical properties in the storm
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may have a tremendous effect on their activity - so much that a .001 of
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a watt could drive them crazy. If you saw any of the D channel this week
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they showed how electricity increases their hyperactivity. I think
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that any lightning produce may have sent them in this direction. If
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there are any oceanographers out there, it could be a sign that a
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terrible storm is coming.
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Tell (or pass around) this to others if it sounds decisive. I'm sure
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others will probably agree (a little).
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ICEBOX
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P.S. By the way - you should 've kept them. They may be the last ones
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you may see.
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From icebox@yabbs Sat Aug 6 21:23:21 1994
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From: icebox@yabbs
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To: Patton@yabbs
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Subject: re: shark attacks
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Date: Sat Aug 6 21:23:21 1994
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Our interpretation of sharks is not only deadly but endangering. I'll
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fill you in later.
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From dmonger@yabbs Sun Aug 7 09:11:07 1994
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From: dmonger@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: re: shark attacks
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Date: Sun Aug 7 09:11:07 1994
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well, its not shark attacks ... blah blah
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anyway ... i don't think aminals aren't cute cause it makes them better preda
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tors ... cute something that we assign to them as beings of "greater intellect"
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although the markings and patterns do serve for identification purposes (
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along with scent) and for mating purposes.
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-peter
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From balistic@yabbs Sun Aug 7 15:24:22 1994
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From: balistic@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: re: sharks
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Date: Sun Aug 7 15:24:22 1994
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actually this is not regarding sharks...but since this is the enviro base,
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I thought I would say something.
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I think the environment deals with more than just animals (note: I'm not
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a treehugger but...) I realized this a coupla days ago when a forest fire
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errupted just 30 miles from my house. Seeing all the trees spontaneosly
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ignite and explode really makes your heart sink....hundreds of years of
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nature's work going up in a fireball.....so far the fire's 50% contained
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and has toasted 7000+ acres...just injecting my 3 cents
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later
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balistic
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From Steyr@yabbs Sun Aug 7 18:15:32 1994
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From: Steyr@yabbs
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To: balistic@yabbs
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Subject: Fires
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Date: Sun Aug 7 18:15:32 1994
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Here in Australia, large bush fires are a way of life. We have many
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species of plant here which RELY on fires to crack open their seed pods.
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Everything which seems bad, usually has a good side to it aswell. And
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although the fire may or may not have been started by natural causes,
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fires are natural, and as such, are pretty neutral in the good/bad stakes.
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- Steyr.
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From balistic@yabbs Mon Aug 8 15:39:43 1994
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From: balistic@yabbs
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To: Steyr@yabbs
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Subject: re: Fires
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Date: Mon Aug 8 15:39:43 1994
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Yes, fires can be helpful, but not the kind that are a 200 foot wall of
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flame that sends up such a tremendous plume it can be seen from space.
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Not only were plants destroyed but 10 structures and over 7000 acres of
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pondeerosa pines and buck brush were burned (sctually I guess those ARE
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plants but anyway you get my point :)0
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This fire was so big HOW BIG WAS IT it was so big that when it first
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ignited it was burning so haot it had it's own storm system depeloping
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above it. The good news is is that it is at least 90% contained and no
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firefighters died.
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later,
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(man what a bad speller!)
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balistic
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From htoaster@yabbs Mon Aug 8 20:05:37 1994
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From: htoaster@yabbs
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To: balistic@yabbs
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Subject: re: Fires
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Date: Mon Aug 8 20:05:37 1994
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the reason that the fire was so big was that the forest had so much
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fuel in it (baby trees) that it could burn for ages. the big trees (which
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are a lot more resistant to fire) were cut down long ago for logging
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purposes. if nature did its thing naturally fires would hit a forest every
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few years (10 or 12), burn out all of the trees that weren't strong enough,
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and let the big ones live (darwinism)...forests shouldn't be so thick that
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walking through them is hopeless...right now they are just way too crowded.
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let the forest fires burn within the forest, and just build breaks near
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homes and towns and stuff. the forest fires have been burning for 1000's
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of years and the forest has survived...we as humans have done a lot more
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damage to it in the last 100 years than it ever saw before.
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alex
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From balistic@yabbs Tue Aug 9 14:47:23 1994
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From: balistic@yabbs
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To: htoaster@yabbs
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Subject: re: Fires
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Date: Tue Aug 9 14:47:23 1994
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I realize forestfires have little impact on the forest as a whole, but
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when that fire is man-made it kinda pisses you off. All the people that
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lost their homes to the fire probably feel kind of cheated.
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I agree that fires CAN help the forest, but this one didn't. Nevada is
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in the middle of a 10 year drought and thus the trees were as flammable as
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gassoline. It's scary to watch a tree literally explode into flames, even
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the adult ones, and within seconds they are nothing more than a pile of
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smoldering cinders. If we wern't in the drought, and there was actually
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some humidity in the air (it averges about 5-10% here) the situation might
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have been different.....maybe the oldgrowth would have spared and the
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forest could continue .....but as it is there is nothing left on 7000 acre
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of ex-forest land. And as I'm writing this there are about 3-4 other
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forest and brush fires within 60 miles of my house. One fire in the
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middle of nowhere would aid in evolution...but here in nevada it's a
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freaking (no pun intended :)) warzone.
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oh well, later
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Brian "flammable" Prince
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From htoaster@yabbs Tue Aug 9 16:39:53 1994
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From: htoaster@yabbs
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To: balistic@yabbs
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Subject: re: Fires
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Date: Tue Aug 9 16:39:53 1994
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In message re: Fires, balistic said:
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> I realize forestfires have little impact on the forest as a whole, but
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> when that fire is man-made it kinda pisses you off. All the people that
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> lost their homes to the fire probably feel kind of cheated.
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well, most forest fires are started by lighting, not humans. at least all
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of the current fires in WA are from lighting...
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alex
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From Grieves@yabbs Tue Aug 9 17:35:09 1994
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From: Grieves@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: re: Fires
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Date: Tue Aug 9 17:35:09 1994
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Exactly, I wish more people here in the US would get the picture. We got
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all these tree huggers saying shit like "We can't cut down all those dying
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trees even thought theyre a fire hazzard, Just think of all the endangered
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animals that live there" Jeez, then the damn forest catches on fire and
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they go crazy wanting to put the fire out ...if we could have just cut the
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trees and cleared the underbrush that has been gathering ever since the
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forest service started to put the forest fires out, back in the 40's, then
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planted new trees, the forest would have been healthy. Maybe one day our
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people will realize that our efforts of conservation are just making
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things worse
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From Zbadba@yabbs Tue Aug 9 21:38:13 1994
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From: Zbadba@yabbs
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To: Grieves@yabbs
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Subject: re: Fires
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Date: Tue Aug 9 21:38:13 1994
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Grieves, the reason the fires happening now are so bad is because of the
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Forest Service's actions! Of course, one can't blame the forest service
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alone- the timber industry is the other main culprit. The Forest Service,
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believeing it was helping to *prevent* fires, replanted areas burned out
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by fire. The only problem is that these new trees do not survive fires-
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they feed fires. Tho most of the old growth has been chopped down by the
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timber industry, what's left is destroyed because the flames are too
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intense (fed by the young trees).
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Conservation doesn't make things worse - meddling makes things worse. The
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Forest Service should do us all a service and let the forests recover
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naturally from fires and stop actively dousing wild forest fires.
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(focusing on protecting homes and lives would be a better expenditure of
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effort and capital.)
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From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 10 13:20:45 1994
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From: balistic@yabbs
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To: htoaster@yabbs
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Subject: re: Fires
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Date: Wed Aug 10 13:20:45 1994
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this fire was caused by an unknown piece of machinery...probably a spark
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from a dirtbike.
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balistic
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From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 10 13:26:23 1994
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From: balistic@yabbs
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To: Grieves@yabbs
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Subject: re: Fires
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Date: Wed Aug 10 13:26:23 1994
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I am definitly not a tree hugger.....I don't really care one way or the
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other when it comes to the forests (although I do think the rainforests
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need to be saved).....I read that the spotted owl is no longer endangered
|
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and all the environmentalists are pissed of...excuse me, isn't this what
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they were trying to accomplish? I don't think cared about spotted owls at
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all, they just wanted a reason to stop logging. I also heard that spotted
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owls are not limited to living in old-growth forests...there is one living
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in a k-mart sign in WA!!! I think some environmentalists and tree-huggers
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take it way to far sometimes.
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From dmonger@yabbs Wed Aug 10 13:48:17 1994
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From: dmonger@yabbs
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To: balistic@yabbs
|
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Subject: spotted owl
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Date: Wed Aug 10 13:48:17 1994
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depends on whether or not the owl is still endangered, not what the government
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has decided. I'm willing to be that they disagree with the government's
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decision.
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as for the k-mart sign i'm wondering what that shows. I could live in a kmart
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sign too if it was big enough, the idea is that we shouldn't be destroying these
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animal's homes and forcing them to move to shopping malls.
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now while i will agree that some environmentalists can get a little
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enthusiastic at times, i do think that have the best interests at heart, as
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opposed to the logging industry who i'd trust about as far as i can throw.
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-peter
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From Typhon@yabbs Wed Aug 10 17:30:19 1994
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From: Typhon@yabbs
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To: balistic@yabbs
|
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Subject: re: Fires
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Date: Wed Aug 10 17:30:19 1994
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Australia had some of the worst fires ever seen by humans last year...Far
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worse than the ones happening in the west now. Steyr knows forest fires
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and brush fires very well.
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Typhon the Usurper
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From Steyr@yabbs Wed Aug 10 20:21:38 1994
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From: Steyr@yabbs
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To: Typhon@yabbs
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Subject: re: Fires
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Date: Wed Aug 10 20:21:38 1994
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Yeah Typhon, that sounds pretty right to me (about OZ having some of the
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worst fires in the world). But we don't have forest fires or brush fires.
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We call them bush fires. :)
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Although I know some places in America have fires as bad as what we have.
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As for greenies (tree huggers), most of the ones we have hereare more
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interested in attending protests and stuff just for something to do than
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out of a serious concern for the welfare of the bush. They think "Wow, if
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I go chain myself to the front of a bulldozer, I might get my face on TV".
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Logging is a NECESSARY evil I think. Sure, it has it's bad effects, but
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we sure couldn't get by without it either.
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My advice to greenies is to a) get a haircut, b) get a job, and c) get a
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life. If they are seriously concerned about the bush, there are much
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better ways of going about it's conservation than protests in loggin
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areas. We get a lot of that out here, and the interesting thing is, the
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state the greenines leave the place in is attrocious ! Incredible amounts
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of rubbish and litter left laying about the place.
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Steyr
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From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 10 20:31:53 1994
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From: balistic@yabbs
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To: dmonger@yabbs
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Subject: re: spotted owl
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Date: Wed Aug 10 20:31:53 1994
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the reason I brought up the k-mart sign is that the environmentalists were
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saying that spotted owls could live nowhere but in old growth....but they
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were wrong. There's even an owl living in a tree in the middle of a
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logging camp. The loggers (I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay...:)) feed the
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the owl by hand!!! My point is that animals can adapt to new surroundings
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just as we can, hundreds of thousands of people depend on the logging
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inddustry, we can't just abruptly stop it. I do believe that
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clear-cutting is wrong and we should limit ourselves to taking only as
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many trees as we need. I also believe that within the next hundred years
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humans won't even need wood anymore...we are already beginning to phase
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away from wood. Just look at how many trees I saved by sending this
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message by email, rather than snail mail. I see the light at the end of
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the tunnel. . . .
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balistic
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From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 10 20:35:53 1994
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From: balistic@yabbs
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To: Typhon@yabbs
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Subject: re: Fires
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Date: Wed Aug 10 20:35:53 1994
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I don't dought that austrailia had killer brush fires last year....all
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that dry grass and brush and such. Just heard on the news that the 2 7000
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acre fires nearest to me were intentionly set by an arsonist.....man would
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I like to wring that guy's neck.
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From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 10 20:41:06 1994
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From: balistic@yabbs
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To: Steyr@yabbs
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Subject: re: Fires
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Date: Wed Aug 10 20:41:06 1994
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I agree logging is neccesary...the town I used to live in depended
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mainly on logging.......If it werent for the loggers that town wouldn't
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exist, mainly because the logging above the town (on the sierra buttes,
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anyone heard of em?)saved the town from a MAJOR forest fire just a few
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years ago. We had to evacuate and everything....mondo bummer.
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balistic
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From dmonger@yabbs Wed Aug 10 21:00:28 1994
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From: dmonger@yabbs
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To: balistic@yabbs
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Subject: re: Fires
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Date: Wed Aug 10 21:00:28 1994
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i'll agree too that logging is a necesary evil, but i i still think we should
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be careful as to what we allow them to do.
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and don't forget that the logging industry isn't really interested in logging
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either ... just profit. like many of the companies in the us they are still
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very short sited and (i don't think) are still not looking too deeply into
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the crystal ball
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and would you like it if the state came to your door and said "hi, get out.
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we're buildinga highway here"
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i sure wouldn't
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-peter
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From Natalie@yabbs Wed Aug 10 22:55:18 1994
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From: Natalie@yabbs
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To: dmonger@yabbs
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Subject: re: Fires
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Date: Wed Aug 10 22:55:18 1994
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don't even talk about building highways thru ppl's houses to me, peter...i
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live right next to interstate 75 (as in, it's 100 ft from my house) and
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i'm soooo scared that they're going to widen it or something (we gets lots
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and lots of traffic on it here) and i'm gonna lose my house...eminent
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domain sucks...
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natalie
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who can't fall asleep at night w/o the sound of cars rushing past at 80
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mph
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From Patton@yabbs Thu Aug 11 09:51:30 1994
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From: Patton@yabbs
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To: balistic@yabbs
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Subject: spotten owls
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Date: Thu Aug 11 09:51:30 1994
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Excuse me, spotted owls.
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There was a report back in '93 that in Oregon, the spotted owl was more
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prosperous in second growth forests due to the fact that the increased
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undergrowth caused by more sunlight allowed for more of their prey
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to thrive (field mice and others I guess). I guess they will need
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another reason to run the loggin industry out of business.
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-Patton
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"You know what they say about WASPs, Buddy? Love animals, can't stand
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people" -Gordon Gekko, from the movie "Wall Street"
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-this is not Patton's personal opinion
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From balistic@yabbs Thu Aug 11 16:48:46 1994
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From: balistic@yabbs
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To: dmonger@yabbs
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Subject: re: Fires
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Date: Thu Aug 11 16:48:46 1994
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I don't know if the head-logging-honchos like logging, but I was
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friends with several lumberjacks and they seemed to enjoy and apreciate
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the forest, they were definitly not in it for the money......I don't
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really see what logging has to do with road construction though.
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balistic
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From balistic@yabbs Thu Aug 11 16:49:49 1994
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From: balistic@yabbs
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To: Patton@yabbs
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Subject: re: spotten owls
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Date: Thu Aug 11 16:49:49 1994
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hehheh....sure it's not
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From dmonger@yabbs Thu Aug 11 18:39:12 1994
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From: dmonger@yabbs
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To: balistic@yabbs
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Subject: re: Fires
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Date: Thu Aug 11 18:39:12 1994
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here, let me give you an different example to show what i was saying:
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i'm sure that many (maybe even most) of microsoft's employees like what they
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do and where they are working ... but i find it hard to believe that microsoft
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(as a corporation) is in the busineess out of the goodness of their hearts and
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to help out the world, if they were they wouldn't be suing practically anyone
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who tries to write software for windows.
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well, i'm exagerating a bit ... but my point was that the logging INDUSTRY is
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in it for the money, not that the loggers themselves are. There's a difference
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as to the highway bit, at least the government would have the descence to give
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you a warning and let you move out before bulldozing your house. The loggers
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don't know and say "mr. owl, get out", they just start sawing away.
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-peter
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From Typhon@yabbs Thu Aug 11 19:45:48 1994
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From: Typhon@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: Death in the Wild
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Date: Thu Aug 11 19:45:48 1994
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A wolf cub recently was found and then died in my ares...actually, it was
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a coydog pup, most like, but it had some kind of disease that killed it.
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Typhon the Usurper
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With no else to say
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From icebox@yabbs Thu Aug 11 22:24:23 1994
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From: icebox@yabbs
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To: Typhon@yabbs
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Subject: re: Death in the Wild
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Date: Thu Aug 11 22:24:23 1994
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You think that's bad?
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An atual number (X * 1000) are being killed here - so much that they
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are on the endangered list as well. I had some great ideas - some still
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pending; but like everything else, we'll see.
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From laelth@yabbs Fri Aug 12 00:49:14 1994
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From: laelth@yabbs
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To: Patton@yabbs
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Subject: Owls?
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Date: Fri Aug 12 00:49:14 1994
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Hey, it's not about the owls!
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People in the environmental science biz. call the spotted owl a
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"bellweather species." They use it to test the general health of
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the entire ecosystem, that being Northwest American Forests. They
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mesure how well the owls are faring in order to determine how well
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the entire ecosystem is doing. It doesn't matter if the owls can
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survive in an urban setting. If the owls are dying in the forest, then
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the thousands and millions of other species that live in the forest
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are dying too. Granted, a few species may even profit from human
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destruction of the ecosystem, but the logic is that if the owls are
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dying, then the entire system is thrown out of whack by human
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intervention. The species in the forest took millions of years to evolve.
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Some trees live for over a thousand years. Human greed, stupidity, and
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short-term thinking cannot justify the destruction of an entire
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ecosystem which has as much right to exist as we do.
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-laelth
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From Typhon@yabbs Fri Aug 12 08:42:28 1994
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From: Typhon@yabbs
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To: icebox@yabbs
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Subject: re: Death in the Wild
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Date: Fri Aug 12 08:42:28 1994
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I've already complained about the Alaska Wolf Hunts...Didn't see the point
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in re-hashing it.
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Typhon The Tired
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From Pinochet@yabbs Fri Aug 12 09:23:53 1994
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From: Pinochet@yabbs
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To: laelth@yabbs
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Subject: Ecosystems
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Date: Fri Aug 12 09:23:53 1994
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Why cry for the ecosystems? Why cry out against industrialization? There
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isn't a place left in the industryial world that hasn't been totally
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messed with ecosystem wise. The undeveloped world is worse off than we.
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It's been happeneing since the dawn of MANKIND. If the spotted owl dies,
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then so be it. If that ferret dies in Nebraska, so long. This isn't
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a modern problem. Our ancestors changed our world far before we got here.
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Why keep everything as is now? The Chinese killed off all of the
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predators that could challenge mankind way befroe the arrival of Christ.
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The Persians and the Mesopatamians did the same with the Lion and a specie
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of bear. iF Logging doesn't do away with the owl, maybe increased
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volcanic activity in the NW US will. Nature has said, "You specie, you
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may not live". So be it.
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From balistic@yabbs Fri Aug 12 19:30:19 1994
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From: balistic@yabbs
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To: dmonger@yabbs
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Subject: re: Fires
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Date: Fri Aug 12 19:30:19 1994
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ahhh...I get it, just confused because somehow this conversation shifted
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from forest fires to spotted owls, oh well :)
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From balistic@yabbs Fri Aug 12 19:33:59 1994
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From: balistic@yabbs
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To: laelth@yabbs
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Subject: re: Owls?
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Date: Fri Aug 12 19:33:59 1994
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My point was that the owls weren't dying, they were faring pretty well.
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And as for the destruction of an ecosystem, most trees that are logged
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are crops. Most logging companies don't even touch the old growth, they
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cut what was planted a few years ago.
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balistic
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From balistic@yabbs Fri Aug 12 19:35:21 1994
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From: balistic@yabbs
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To: Pinochet@yabbs
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Subject: re: Ecosystems
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Date: Fri Aug 12 19:35:21 1994
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hell yeah!
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:)
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balistic the terraformer
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From laelth@yabbs Sun Aug 14 00:08:59 1994
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From: laelth@yabbs
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To: Pinochet@yabbs
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Subject: re: Ecosystems
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Date: Sun Aug 14 00:08:59 1994
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In message 123 Pinochet asked:
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"Why cry for the ecosystems?"
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I'm concerned about the millions of species that are unique to each
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ecosystem because I believe, firmly, that every species on this planet has
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a RIGHT to be here. I also believe that humans have no right to deny any
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species existence. It may be true that we have caused some species to
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become extinct. It may be true that nature allows some species to become
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extinct on their own. That's evolution. But what humanity is doing to
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this planet at the moment is not right. So many species have become
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extinct in the last century that scientists can't even gauge how much
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damage we've done. It's tragic. It's unjust. And we're responsible!
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That's why I, and a lot of people like me, are "crying" about ecosystems.
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-laelth
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From Typhon@yabbs Mon Aug 15 13:21:28 1994
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From: Typhon@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: re: Ecosystems
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Date: Mon Aug 15 13:21:28 1994
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My basic opinion is a simple one..Onec they all go, so do we.
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O, I so wanna live!
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Typhon the Self-Involved
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From Pinochet@yabbs Mon Aug 15 13:49:45 1994
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From: Pinochet@yabbs
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To: laelth@yabbs
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Subject: don't cry for the ecosystem
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Date: Mon Aug 15 13:49:45 1994
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I agree with you, every specie is unique. Every specie has rights. I
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have a right to quality health care, or so Bill says. I also have the
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right to affordable housing, or so Bill says. I feel that animals are
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impinging upon my rights! In fact, they are denying me my rights!
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How can I have my house when the spotted owl makes it so I can't get
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lumber? How can I have affordable health care if the Furry Tailed Vole
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won't allow me to help build that superhighway because it migrates across
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the Old I-80? I am being denied my rights...I am the victim here!
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And when the annual frog migration hit back in the summer of '83, how many
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people died because they didn't allow ambulances to exceed 10MPH? (see
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the Oregonian 8/11/83, pg 8B). Don't people matter more than a frog, no
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matter how rare that frog has become?
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And why is that frog and other species endangered? It is because they
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have failed to adapt to their new environment. They have been left at the
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curbside of hisotry. It isn't our fault, it's theirs. Other species have
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thrived since the introduction of man, like the deer. The deer adapted,
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they deserve to go on.
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In everything we do (from going to church on sunday to going to Woodstock
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'94 to get really loaded on shrooms) we change our environment. Don't
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apologize for it, revel in it!
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"I've got something to say...It's bettter to burn out, than to fade away!"
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From dmonger@yabbs Mon Aug 15 15:25:07 1994
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From: dmonger@yabbs
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To: Pinochet@yabbs
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Subject: re: don't cry for the ecosystem
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Date: Mon Aug 15 15:25:07 1994
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In message don't cry for the ecosystem, Pinochet said:
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> I agree with you, every specie is unique. Every specie has rights. I
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> have a right to quality health care, or so Bill says. I also have the
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> right to affordable housing, or so Bill says. I feel that animals are
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> impinging upon my rights! In fact, they are denying me my rights!
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and we're denying them their lives ... hmmmmm
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> How can I have my house when the spotted owl makes it so I can't get
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> lumber? How can I have affordable health care if the Furry Tailed Vole
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> won't allow me to help build that superhighway because it migrates across
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> the Old I-80? I am being denied my rights...I am the victim here!
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>
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> And when the annual frog migration hit back in the summer of '83, how many
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> people died because they didn't allow ambulances to exceed 10MPH? (see
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> the Oregonian 8/11/83, pg 8B). Don't people matter more than a frog, no
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> matter how rare that frog has become?
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I'd agree that a person's life or health matters more than an animals, but not
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that their comfort does. The argument that animals should die cause i want a
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cheap new home doesn't work for me.
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> And why is that frog and other species endangered? It is because they
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> have failed to adapt to their new environment. They have been left at the
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> curbside of hisotry. It isn't our fault, it's theirs. Other species have
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> thrived since the introduction of man, like the deer. The deer adapted,
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> they deserve to go on.
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the deer adapted mostly because we killed off all their natural preditors.
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and by this argument most things that kill off people are okay too. Lets have
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a nationwide drug problem, it will kill off the weak and feeble.
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> In everything we do (from going to church on sunday to going to Woodstock
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> '94 to get really loaded on shrooms) we change our environment. Don't
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> apologize for it, revel in it!
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changing is inevitable, destroying isn't.
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From balistic@yabbs Mon Aug 15 18:40:12 1994
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From: balistic@yabbs
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To: Pinochet@yabbs
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Subject: re: don't cry for the ecosystem
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Date: Mon Aug 15 18:40:12 1994
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YES!!!! I agree, habitat loss encourages natural selection by increasing
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the chances of a species to survive in a changing world.
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till Bill gets de-throned,
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balistic
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the conservative liberal (but mostly conservative)
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:)
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From Natalie@yabbs Mon Aug 15 22:15:12 1994
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From: Natalie@yabbs
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To: Pinochet@yabbs
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Subject: re: don't cry for the ecosystem
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Date: Mon Aug 15 22:15:12 1994
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oh, satire is soooooo fun....
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at least i hope you were being satirical...
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natalie
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From Globe@yabbs Mon Aug 15 22:55:33 1994
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From: Globe@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: Earth
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Date: Mon Aug 15 22:55:33 1994
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Hey all I have to say is dont fuck oup the planet because one day,
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everybody will make a big mistake, and we will die, it doesnt matter if it
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is of cancer because of the ozone and all those morons who use spray cans
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that use cfc's I admt I use them too, but only 1 everynow and then. And
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look at the garbage problem, I have read that if we use garbagew at the
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present rate, we will have covered the earth in grabage by the year 2157.
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Well I am not an environmentalist, as most of you know, I am only 13, and
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I just want to live a healthy life and now have to put on sunblock
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5,000,000,000,000,000 everytime I go outside of the house.
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Well Later
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Globe
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From Natalie@yabbs Mon Aug 15 23:01:32 1994
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From: Natalie@yabbs
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To: Globe@yabbs
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Subject: re: Earth
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Date: Mon Aug 15 23:01:32 1994
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i have to use spf 5,000,000,000,000,000 right now anyways....cause i'm a
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super pale person who needs to go outside more...
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*smirk*
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natalie
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From Pinochet@yabbs Tue Aug 16 11:49:07 1994
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From: Pinochet@yabbs
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To: balistic@yabbs
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Subject: re: don't cry for the ecosystem
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Date: Tue Aug 16 11:49:07 1994
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They don't understand, Balistic. We look at it from nature's point of
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view. Just think of the possibilities man has created for the awesome
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evolutionary powers of nature. Man is part of the ecosystem now. There
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is no changing that. And because we cause entropy, we are releasing the
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creativity of species everywhere. Those who don't adapt, die. Very
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simple. Very clean cut. Those who do, prosper. Species after species
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died when something new enterred their ecosystem (when a monitor lizard
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floated across a sea on a log after a storm. it lands and finds a specie
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of parrot that had evolved with no natural enemies and lost its capacity
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of flight. a couple of years later...no more parrot). Man is the
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ultimate product of nature. It harnesses its surrounding and changes them
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to his betterment. It modifies...it cajoles...it helps the winners win
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and the losers lose.
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Read Ian Malcolm in the novel _Jurrasic Park_. His is the best
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explanation of the power of nature I have seen. Nature is not a harmless,
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treed bear club. It is nasty and brutish and we are part of it.
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From Pinochet@yabbs Tue Aug 16 11:50:08 1994
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From: Pinochet@yabbs
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To: Natalie@yabbs
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Subject: sarcasm
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Date: Tue Aug 16 11:50:08 1994
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one never knows if I'm serous or not :)
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i guess it is open to interpretation :)
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From Pinochet@yabbs Tue Aug 16 11:53:29 1994
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From: Pinochet@yabbs
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To: Globe@yabbs
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Subject: sunblock
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Date: Tue Aug 16 11:53:29 1994
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actually the ozone hole (that has never been proven to be a product of
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anything man has ever done...only been observed under lab conditions with
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massive amounts of CFCs per cubic centimeter) actually will be beneficial
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to live on earth overall. Except for the mammals. Most everything else
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will prosper. Increased temperatures will free up a lot of water. And
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the increased raditation will cause more mutations to occur, helping to
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create better adapted animals (as well as exhibits for our carnivals).
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And hey, Iowa will be tropical, so I guess that's where I will be
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vacationing between my melanoma surgeries.
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From dmonger@yabbs Tue Aug 16 14:47:57 1994
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From: dmonger@yabbs
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To: Pinochet@yabbs
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Subject: re: don't cry for the ecosystem
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Date: Tue Aug 16 14:47:57 1994
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i read jurassic park, i thought ian malcom was a twit.
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sure we're a unique part of the ecosystem, we aren't driven simply by
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instinct, but have a much better ability to make decisions.
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with that ability come (IMO) greater responsibility for our actions. I for
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one consider chopping down forests, destroying species of animals and
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generally forcing "evolution" (as you've been calling it) along a more
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destructive path simply cause i want to be comfy.
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-peter
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who find's very little that's natural about this form of selection
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From Natalie@yabbs Tue Aug 16 16:23:47 1994
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From: Natalie@yabbs
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To: dmonger@yabbs
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Subject: ugh
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Date: Tue Aug 16 16:23:47 1994
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well, this is way off topic (heehee), but i just wanted to state that I
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HATE GETTING SUNBURNED WHEN I'M ONLY OUTSIDE FOR 20 MINUTES!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i'm really annoyed by this. i FINALLY get the annoying tan to go away,
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then i get to do someone else's job at work, and all my hrd work (hiding
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in the basement) goes to waste. *sigh* at least i'm not outside so much
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that i'm totally freckled (all the freckles i do have are from when i was
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little)
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a slightly red natalie
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From Death@yabbs Tue Aug 16 20:00:09 1994
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From: Death@yabbs
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To: Natalie@yabbs
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Subject: re: ugh
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Date: Tue Aug 16 20:00:09 1994
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You get that way too, eh Nat?
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hehehe I don't even last 10 minutes though...
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(If you don't believe me, just ask paradox :)
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I think that whoever comes up with a sunblock that REALLY blocks the sun
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from reaching the skin will become the most wealthy person in the world...
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Heck, I'D certainly pay any price for it :>
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--Les
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Who is in a great deal of pain from his roasted skin right now...
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From dmonger@yabbs Tue Aug 16 20:08:08 1994
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From: dmonger@yabbs
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To: Death@yabbs
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Subject: re: ugh
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Date: Tue Aug 16 20:08:08 1994
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oh i never used to burn ... i still don't too much, although when i do its
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a great way to keep people from tickling you :)
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last year i got really burnt ... never go for a 3-4 hour tubbing trip on the
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delaware with now shirt or sunblock. Big ol blisters all over my shoulders.
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I guess i really just wanted to say nya-nya-nya-nya-nay :P
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-peter
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who knows how toasted he's going to get during freshman orientation this year
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From balistic@yabbs Tue Aug 16 20:24:46 1994
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From: balistic@yabbs
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To: Globe@yabbs
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Subject: re: Earth
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Date: Tue Aug 16 20:24:46 1994
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Actually the hole in the ozone is natural. Core drilling of ice in
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antarctica tells us that the ozone thins periodically as the Earth's orbit
|
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(actually the Earth's axis) wobbles. Anyways CFC are no longer in
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use......you can't produce them anymore.
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balistic
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From balistic@yabbs Tue Aug 16 20:27:25 1994
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From: balistic@yabbs
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To: Pinochet@yabbs
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Subject: re: don't cry for the ecosystem
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Date: Tue Aug 16 20:27:25 1994
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hehheh, I like the monitor part :). He's the chotiscian (spelling?)
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right? I hear the book was much better than the movie....but I'm not an
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avid reader.
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balistic the velociraptor
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From balistic@yabbs Tue Aug 16 20:31:21 1994
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From: balistic@yabbs
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To: dmonger@yabbs
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Subject: re: don't cry for the ecosystem
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Date: Tue Aug 16 20:31:21 1994
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humans ARE natural! Maybe you don't like to admit that we are animals
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slightly more advanced than chimps, but the fact remains that we are part
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of the environment, and we are natural.
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just my $0.33333333333333333 cents
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balistic
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From dmonger@yabbs Tue Aug 16 20:58:25 1994
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From: dmonger@yabbs
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To: balistic@yabbs
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Subject: re: don't cry for the ecosystem
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Date: Tue Aug 16 20:58:25 1994
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you don't seem to get my point, you probably never will.
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-peter
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who is sick of rephrasing pretty much the same thing over and over again
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From Cat@yabbs Tue Aug 16 21:27:32 1994
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From: Cat@yabbs
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To: dmonger@yabbs
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Subject: re: ugh
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Date: Tue Aug 16 21:27:32 1994
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In message re: ugh, dmonger said:
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> oh i never used to burn ... i still don't too much, although when i do its
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> a great way to keep people from tickling you :)
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nah it's cheating
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> last year i got really burnt ... never go for a 3-4 hour tubbing trip on the
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> delaware with now shirt or sunblock. Big ol blisters all over my shoulders.
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well next time wear a shirt and don't try to be so macho :)
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-tammie, she who never tans or burns because we don't get warm enough
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weather for it here
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From Pinochet@yabbs Wed Aug 17 08:31:49 1994
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From: Pinochet@yabbs
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To: dmonger@yabbs
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Subject: forced evolution
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Date: Wed Aug 17 08:31:49 1994
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Okay, I've got a scenario for you. Nature comes along and produces a
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super-cow. We are talking a veritable lawn-mower of herbivores. Grows 10
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|
feet tall, weighs a few tons...elephant sized here. It could possibly
|
|
solve the third world's protein and dairy problem forever. But it only
|
|
likes to eat a certain kind of plant. In fact, it eats all of these
|
|
plants. The super-cows, even though they are bovine stupid, have changed
|
|
the environment. They have caused the extinction of another specie.
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Is the cow guilty. It couldn't reason that it was killing off all of
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|
plant "A", but it did it anyway.
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|
Evolution kicks some species to the curb. Weather shifts kick some
|
|
species to the curb. The shifting of tectonic plates have caused more
|
|
extinctions through the ages than one would dream about. And lets not
|
|
forget disease. Man is not very efficient at extinction, it should take
|
|
lessons from nature.
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From Pinochet@yabbs Wed Aug 17 08:37:16 1994
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From: Pinochet@yabbs
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To: balistic@yabbs
|
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Subject: CFCs
|
|
Date: Wed Aug 17 08:37:16 1994
|
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|
|
Remember that anti-American "Earth Summit" that all the tree-huggers were
|
|
salivating over back in '92? They wanted everyone to sit down and put CFC
|
|
production under a global council to monitor what was being done. And all
|
|
those "ecosystem rich" tin pot countries refused to sign! The granola
|
|
heads were stunned. Wasn't this the great panacea that woud solve all the
|
|
worlds problems in one fell swoop? They want refridgeration. They want
|
|
to be able to store food. They told the pseudoscientists to go to
|
|
hell...they wanted Ben and Jerry's in the freezer. China is pumping out
|
|
more CFCs at the moment than the entire US production in the entire 1970s.
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|
The hole has never been proven to be caused by CFCs, so give me a can of
|
|
PAM and I'm going to eat non-stick muffins for dinner!
|
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|
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From dmonger@yabbs Wed Aug 17 08:53:30 1994
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|
From: dmonger@yabbs
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|
To: Pinochet@yabbs
|
|
Subject: re: forced evolution
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|
Date: Wed Aug 17 08:53:30 1994
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|
whatever
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From htoaster@yabbs Wed Aug 17 11:41:28 1994
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From: htoaster@yabbs
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|
To: Pinochet@yabbs
|
|
Subject: re: forced evolution
|
|
Date: Wed Aug 17 11:41:28 1994
|
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|
|
In message forced evolution, Pinochet said:
|
|
> Okay, I've got a scenario for you. Nature comes along and produces a
|
|
> super-cow. We are talking a veritable lawn-mower of herbivores. Grows 10
|
|
> feet tall, weighs a few tons...elephant sized here. It could possibly
|
|
> solve the third world's protein and dairy problem forever. But it only
|
|
> likes to eat a certain kind of plant. In fact, it eats all of these
|
|
> plants. The super-cows, even though they are bovine stupid, have changed
|
|
> the environment. They have caused the extinction of another specie.
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|
first of all, meat will never solve the worlds food problems. no matter what
|
|
kind it is meat takes a lot more resources (water, food, etc) to create than
|
|
a similar amount of plant matter...i've heard ratios from 1:10 to 1:40 or so...
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|
|
also, if a cow is twice the size of a current cow, it would probably require
|
|
twice the amount of resources to stay alive, so a bigger cow is not necessarily
|
|
a win over a current cow...
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|
|
> Is the cow guilty. It couldn't reason that it was killing off all of
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|
> plant "A", but it did it anyway.
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|
at this point in time humans have control over most such evolution (through
|
|
controlled breeding and stuff). so man would probably make this super-cow,
|
|
and man would be responsible...
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|
|
the cow would also kill itself by eating all of these plants, since these
|
|
plants are its only food source...
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|
|
|
> Evolution kicks some species to the curb. Weather shifts kick some
|
|
> species to the curb. The shifting of tectonic plates have caused more
|
|
> extinctions through the ages than one would dream about. And lets not
|
|
> forget disease. Man is not very efficient at extinction, it should take
|
|
> lessons from nature.
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|
Man tends to accelarate natural progression. At our current rate we will
|
|
pretty much make exticent any animal that needs its own land to live in...
|
|
we'll end up with a world of parasites and rodents...
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|
yumm...rats for dinner...
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|
alex
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From Natalie@yabbs Wed Aug 17 12:03:38 1994
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|
From: Natalie@yabbs
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|
To: htoaster@yabbs
|
|
Subject: re: forced evolution
|
|
Date: Wed Aug 17 12:03:38 1994
|
|
|
|
"yumm...rats for dinner..."
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|
|
but i didn't think you ate meat, alex
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|
|
natalie :)
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|
From Typhon@yabbs Wed Aug 17 12:34:06 1994
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|
From: Typhon@yabbs
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|
To: balistic@yabbs
|
|
Subject: re: don't cry for the ecosystem
|
|
Date: Wed Aug 17 12:34:06 1994
|
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|
Humans are natural yes. I agree. As natural beings with no natural enemies
|
|
and no one oprey species, we exploit and overfill our niche (All omnivores
|
|
will do this unless stopped by arc-predation, leading to their own
|
|
extinction.) We will succeed in killing ourselves off fairly soon.
|
|
|
|
Typhon the Anticipating
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|
|
|
From Pinochet@yabbs Wed Aug 17 12:54:32 1994
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|
From: Pinochet@yabbs
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|
To: htoaster@yabbs
|
|
Subject: re: forced evolution
|
|
Date: Wed Aug 17 12:54:32 1994
|
|
|
|
On the topic of the Super Cow "Wonder Cow", I was only dealing in
|
|
hypotheticals. I never said that the cow could solve the worlds food
|
|
problems...I said protein problems. Big difference. And the cow was said
|
|
to "like" eating the plant not that the cow was totally dependent upon the
|
|
plant for survival like in som symbiosis.
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|
|
|
If man is an animal and animals are parts of nature then isn't man a part
|
|
of nature? And because he is part of nature how is anything he does
|
|
unnatural?
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|
|
|
Other species have come along and totally whiped out other species, but we
|
|
don't hold prayer vigils for them. This is human bashing at its highest
|
|
!!!!!!!!!!!
|
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|
|
From Natalie@yabbs Wed Aug 17 13:36:01 1994
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|
From: Natalie@yabbs
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|
To: Pinochet@yabbs
|
|
Subject: re: forced evolution
|
|
Date: Wed Aug 17 13:36:01 1994
|
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|
|
well, i don't consider myself an environmentalist or anti-human in any
|
|
way. but i do think that we destroy toooo much of the environment. we
|
|
kill animals for fun. it's called deer season. my family participates
|
|
every year. my family doesn't need the meat to survive. they just want
|
|
to sit in the forest, drink beer, tell stories, and maybe kill bambi.
|
|
(not that anyone has actually gotten a deer recently.) but my point is
|
|
this: we do more damage to the world than we have to to survive. we're in
|
|
the process of wiping out everything that is in technology's way. we have
|
|
to pay more attention to the environment, or else there won't be and more
|
|
forests for my family to sit in and drink beer.
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|
natalie
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|
who had the misfortune of being born on the opening day of rifle season in
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|
michigan...this sorta thing's in my blood, folx...
|
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|
|
From dmonger@yabbs Wed Aug 17 13:55:20 1994
|
|
From: dmonger@yabbs
|
|
To: Pinochet@yabbs
|
|
Subject: re: forced evolution
|
|
Date: Wed Aug 17 13:55:20 1994
|
|
|
|
and for that matter, aren't we stopping our own evolution with a lot of these
|
|
silly moral laws we have. I mean come on, thou shalt not kill ... that's
|
|
gonna stop natural selection among ourselves.
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|
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|
i think the USDA should start tainting beef at random (as if its not done
|
|
enough already) to start weeding out the week humans.
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|
|
|
after all, its only natural
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|
-peter
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From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 17 15:14:24 1994
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|
From: balistic@yabbs
|
|
To: dmonger@yabbs
|
|
Subject: re: don't cry for the ecosystem
|
|
Date: Wed Aug 17 15:14:24 1994
|
|
|
|
I understand your point and I agree that we are advancing too fast for
|
|
some species to keep up, but the fact remains that we are the dominant
|
|
species and we cant help impacting the environment in some way or another.
|
|
Mother nature likes to destroy just as much as we do. You can't expect
|
|
to all of the sudden stop human advancement. Eventually we will colonize
|
|
other worlds and leave Earth as a nature reserve, but until then we can't
|
|
stop impacting the ecosystems without halting technologival advancement.
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|
balistic
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|
From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 17 15:16:08 1994
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|
From: balistic@yabbs
|
|
To: Pinochet@yabbs
|
|
Subject: re: forced evolution
|
|
Date: Wed Aug 17 15:16:08 1994
|
|
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|
there's somethin to meditate on :)
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|
From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 17 15:18:29 1994
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|
From: balistic@yabbs
|
|
To: Pinochet@yabbs
|
|
Subject: re: CFCs
|
|
Date: Wed Aug 17 15:18:29 1994
|
|
|
|
Almost forgot to mention that the environmentalists also deprived us of
|
|
THE best fire-fighting chemical ever, HALON. It used to save hundreds of
|
|
lives a year and no suitable replacement has been found.
|
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|
balistic
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|
|
|
From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 17 15:25:27 1994
|
|
From: balistic@yabbs
|
|
To: Typhon@yabbs
|
|
Subject: re: don't cry for the ecosystem
|
|
Date: Wed Aug 17 15:25:27 1994
|
|
|
|
Valid point, humans actually have stopped evolving. In the good ol
|
|
days, a near-sighted person would have been lunch for a smilodon, but now
|
|
he gets glasses, thus passing the near-sighted gene to his off spring.
|
|
(sorry to offend any near-sighted ppl out ther, I have atshma and thus
|
|
would have been killed off too). Humans have eliminated their own natural
|
|
selection because we feel sorry for anyone with a medical or physical
|
|
problem. One day we will be the sickest species around. One can only
|
|
hope for genetic engineering...
|
|
balistic
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|
|
|
From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 17 15:27:34 1994
|
|
From: balistic@yabbs
|
|
To: dmonger@yabbs
|
|
Subject: tainted meat
|
|
Date: Wed Aug 17 15:27:34 1994
|
|
|
|
cancel that cheeseburger :)
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|
balistic
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|
|
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From Natalie@yabbs Wed Aug 17 16:04:55 1994
|
|
From: Natalie@yabbs
|
|
To: balistic@yabbs
|
|
Subject: re: don't cry for the ecosystem
|
|
Date: Wed Aug 17 16:04:55 1994
|
|
|
|
i hope that genetic engineering doesn't become a reality. because then
|
|
those with 'undesirable' characteristics will be considered inferior. and
|
|
who does the deciding of the 'desirable' characteristics? why those in
|
|
power of course...if i see the day when THAT happens, that is the day i
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|
commit suicide.
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|
natalie
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From htoaster@yabbs Wed Aug 17 17:10:11 1994
|
|
From: htoaster@yabbs
|
|
To: Natalie@yabbs
|
|
Subject: re: forced evolution
|
|
Date: Wed Aug 17 17:10:11 1994
|
|
|
|
In message re: forced evolution, Natalie said:
|
|
> "yumm...rats for dinner..."
|
|
>
|
|
> but i didn't think you ate meat, alex
|
|
|
|
i don't...but i don't think too many people would enjoy rats anyway...
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|
wait, maybe they taste like chicken...
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|
alex
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From dmonger@yabbs Wed Aug 17 17:31:34 1994
|
|
From: dmonger@yabbs
|
|
To: balistic@yabbs
|
|
Subject: re: don't cry for the ecosystem
|
|
Date: Wed Aug 17 17:31:34 1994
|
|
|
|
In message re: don't cry for the ecosystem, balistic said:
|
|
> I understand your point and I agree that we are advancing too fast for
|
|
> some species to keep up, but the fact remains that we are the dominant
|
|
> species and we cant help impacting the environment in some way or another.
|
|
|
|
i agree with this fact. I've never said we should keep from impacting the
|
|
environment.
|
|
|
|
> Mother nature likes to destroy just as much as we do.
|
|
|
|
Except that mother nature is much more random than we are, and is perfectly
|
|
willing to take humans down a peg as well.
|
|
|
|
> stop impacting the ecosystems without halting technologival advancement.
|
|
|
|
i don't remmeber when i said we should become cave-dwelling apes again, except
|
|
to counter what was (IMO) an equally extreme example.
|
|
|
|
i realize that we will have an effect on the ecosystem in everything we do.
|
|
What you have to realize is that we can potentially have a less detrimental
|
|
effect, if we're willing to give up a little of our own comfort and convenieice
|
|
|
|
for example, if people were willing to walk more or ride bikes, or use other
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less poluting forms of transportation than the current a-car-in-every-pot
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situation that we have, ozone and carbon monoxide levels in the city wouldn't
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be as bad.
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As i've said, the argument that we're just another species tooling our way
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through life isn't one i really buy. I agree we're pretty much just apes with
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bigger brains, and we still have some reminants of our former evolutionary
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selves, but we also have a few "gifts". When we destroy a wetland so we can
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put in a mini-mall, its not a random, mother-naturesque act.
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my point is still that we have a greater responsibility for our actions
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and their detrimental (or positive) effects on the ecosystem, because we have
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a much free-er hand in our own actions.
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If the uber-cow decides to destroy all of one type of grass, its cause it had
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little choice in the matter, it was eat or survive. If we destroy all of one
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type of grass, its usually cause we wanted a dairy-queen.
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-peter
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who's really in the mood for some uberhamburgers right about now
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From Typhon@yabbs Wed Aug 17 18:49:08 1994
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From: Typhon@yabbs
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To: balistic@yabbs
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Subject: Weak Humans
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Date: Wed Aug 17 18:49:08 1994
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Not only that, but mentally we've deteriorated in some ways.
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Case in point: In the past, before Civilization, stupid people would have
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been beastfood. Now, they are politicians.
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Typhon the Usurper
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From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 17 22:19:07 1994
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From: balistic@yabbs
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To: Natalie@yabbs
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Subject: re: don't cry for the ecosystem
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Date: Wed Aug 17 22:19:07 1994
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If genetic engineering was controlled by a monopoly, then yes it would
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be unfair, but if it was used to create cures for diseases and
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more-adaptable animals then I feel it would be beneficial.
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balistic the genome
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From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 17 22:24:18 1994
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From: balistic@yabbs
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To: dmonger@yabbs
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Subject: re: don't cry for the ecosystem
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Date: Wed Aug 17 22:24:18 1994
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We could argue about this for centuries and get almost nowhere, oh well, I
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don't think humans have ver been completely curtain about anything. Some
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good news on the CO3 front though. I think hydrogen will be the fuel of
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the future. Not only is it highly flammable, but when you burn it all you
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get out the exhaust is pure water. Another good reason to suck on a
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tailpipe :)
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P.S.....dairy queen sucks :)
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balistic
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From balistic@yabbs Wed Aug 17 22:25:19 1994
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From: balistic@yabbs
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To: Typhon@yabbs
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Subject: re: Weak Humans
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Date: Wed Aug 17 22:25:19 1994
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hehheh....and game show hosts :)
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balistic the de-evolved
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From Patton@yabbs Thu Aug 18 08:17:23 1994
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From: Patton@yabbs
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To: Typhon@yabbs
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Subject: politicians
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Date: Thu Aug 18 08:17:23 1994
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"In the past, before Cvilization studpid people would have been beastfood.
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Now they are polticians."
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
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From rick@yabbs Sun Aug 21 21:38:51 1994
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From: rick@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: swamp kill
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Date: Sun Aug 21 21:38:51 1994
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i wanted some feed back to a problem that i discovered this week. will
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driving down a dirt road near my home i discovered a swamp that had been
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totaly killed. if you have ever seen a swamp you know that it is normaly
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full of life. death giving life. but what i have seen was a barren waste
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land turned totaly white from a kaolin plant neer the swamp. it was like
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going through a blank spot in a music tape. no sounds...no
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movement...nothing
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i am not what is known as an eviromental whack-o but what i saw caused a
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rage that cannot be stopped. i have hunted in the swamps for years. i am
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at home in the swamp and respect it's purpose but to see one totaly dead
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was to much... what can i do short of blowing the plant to cosmic dust
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not a whack0 just a human
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rick
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From Natalie@yabbs Sun Aug 21 22:03:06 1994
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From: Natalie@yabbs
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To: rick@yabbs
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Subject: re: swamp kill
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Date: Sun Aug 21 22:03:06 1994
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hmmm....i don't know what to tell you....there's a swamp behind my house,
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and it's so cooooool...there's tons and tons of wetlands around where i
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live, and i michigan, you can't do anything to hurt them, which i think is
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really cool....and it stops a lot of the developers tooooo...i HATE
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subdivisions, i hate them i hate them i hate them...
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natalie
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From Jazzy@yabbs Tue Aug 23 09:11:52 1994
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From: Jazzy@yabbs
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To: all@yabbs
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Subject: read /i roth
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Date: Tue Aug 23 09:11:52 1994
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