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Note: Due to a system clock failure in BWMS II that went unnoticed,
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The actual start date of this file was 1 Jan 1994.
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********** 01 JAN 94 **********
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001=Usr:0 Null User 06/30/87 20:34 Msg:0 Call:0 Lines:19
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1$If you are in need of help, you need but ask...
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2$************************* 1 JAN 94 **************************************
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3$Welcome to BWMS II (BackWater Message System II) Mike Day System operator
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4$**************************************************************************
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5$GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS II IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION
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6$ PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM.
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7$BWMS II was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS II is a privately
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8$owned and operated system which is currently open for use by the general
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9$public. Restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the
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10$system is privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all
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11$messages which I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the
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12$system, it will be periodically purged of messages (only 999 lines of data
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13$can be saved). To leave a message, type 'ENTER'. Use ctrl/C to get out
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14$the ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering
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15$the message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to
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16$replace the line. To exit from the system, type 'BYE' then hang up.
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17$Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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18$**************************************************************************
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19$
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002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 03/18/93 23:13 Msg:7717 Call:43867 Lines:2
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20 The cause is hidden, but the result is well known. - Ovid
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21 **********************************************************
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003=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 03/19/93 08:49 Msg:7719 Call:43871 Lines:2
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22 I think that I shall never see a new disk more lovely than the.
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23
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004=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 03/24/93 23:20 Msg:7742 Call:43945 Lines:9
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24 ----
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25
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26 The brief bit of music that played in my mind
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27 Made me think of you
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28 It wasn't really the song though
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29 it was more the unsequenced tone
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30
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31 ----
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005=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 03/26/93 10:07 Msg:7753 Call:43964 Lines:5
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33 ----
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34 Sometimes I feel like dust. But the wind doesn't blow me around
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35 I'm as dense as can be, because I just can't see
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36 My forest for my trees.
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37 ----
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006=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 03/27/93 19:11 Msg:7760 Call:43978 Lines:6
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38 ----
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39 A pearl in a shell is hidden from the world
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40 Its beauty and its flaws
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41 Will never be seen
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42 ----
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43
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007=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 04/02/93 23:38 Msg:7775 Call:44045 Lines:8
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44 ----
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45 Sometime words make you think.
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46 Other times, words put you to sleep
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47 ----
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49 ----
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50 One mans therapy is another mans disease.
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51 ----
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008=Usr:24 JOE FRAZIER 04/06/93 10:02 Msg:7788 Call:44088 Lines:4
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52
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53 *****Hmmmm, red lights flashing in the watchtower. Must be I-2 Security on
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54 patrol. Or does that just predict the weather??
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55
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009=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 04/06/93 22:21 Msg:7789 Call:44095 Lines:9
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56 ----
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57 I'd like to be, under the sea
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58 But not for long
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59 Who could breath down there anyway?
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60 Maybe a fish
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61 But not me
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62 Maybe I'll just stay here
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63 ----
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010=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 04/07/93 21:30 Msg:7792 Call:44111 Lines:26
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65 &*&*&*&*'s
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66 Stray cat (I assume its you doing the posting.) I'm going to give you some
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67 advice on style. You may or may not read my post, but I don't really care.
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68 I'm having one of my fits of insomnia, and I have nothing better to do.
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69
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70 I worked for PPS for 3.5 years, and I still have a hell of a time figuring out
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71 what you are talking about in your rants about the school district. Other
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72 stuff I haven't got even the slightest clue what you're talking about. It is
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73 mostly for that reason that I have stopped reading what you write. If that is
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74 your desired goal, then you've achieved it.
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75
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76 If however, you'de actually like to be informative, the try giving us a bloody
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77 bit of background before you start spewing names and events that have NO
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78 MEANING AT ALL TO MOST PEOPLE. NONE, NADA ZIP, NOT A BLOODY NONCE.
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79
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80 Do I make myself clear? If you want somebody to care, you gotta give them the
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81 tools. If you really don't give a darn wether somebody reads what you write,
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82 then please do us all a favour and just type it on your computer, save it to
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83 disk and don't even bother to post.
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84
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85 Because if I'm not reading it, than its very unlikely that anyone else is
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86 either.
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87
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88 An Astral Dreamer
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89 &*&*&*&*'s (I can't get no satisfaction.)
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90
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011=Usr:26 Mohammed Wassir 04/08/93 19:55 Msg:7798 Call:44124 Lines:7
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91 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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92 Sigh. One nice thing about the new Caller I.D. system
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93 is that is also includes the option of caller reject,
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94 rejecting an incoming call from a particular number.
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95 Anybody willing to take up a collection to have it
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96 installed at the Backwater?
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97 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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012=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 04/13/93 10:21 Msg:7808 Call:44169 Lines:13
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98 ----
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99 I sometimes wonder exactly what it is we are all doing here. Everyone does.
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100 I know that my perceptual reality is important. Its the buffer between me and
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101 the real world. What reality is has always been an open debate, even in the
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102 hard sciences.
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103
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104 But what I do know is that all of us live in our own little perceptual
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105 realities, speak our own perceptual languages and fight our own perceptual
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106 fights. The only time we are ever in the real world is after we die, and that
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107 is hardly living.
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013=Usr:758 Thesis Antithesi 04/14/93 20:42 Msg:7817 Call:44185 Lines:6
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112 {
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114 Uh, just how does this relate to me? Your John Q. Average Citizen?
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116 }
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014=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 04/15/93 19:47 Msg:7821 Call:44195 Lines:13
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117 ----
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118 Life is a big bubble of gas. It just hovers around for awhile, floating
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119 seemingly at random. slowly it breaks up, till eventually it can no longer
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120 be thought of as a cohesive set. Change is inevitable.
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121
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122 They say money can't buy you happiness. If thats so, than why isn'
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123 poverty at a premium? Wouldn't you expect that the other end of the extreme
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124 would be atleast a little happy?
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125
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126 Most of the time I just make it up.
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127
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015=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 04/16/93 22:27 Msg:7824 Call:44212 Lines:9
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130 ----
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131 The perception that life should be fair is misplaced. If it were fair, we'de
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132 have nobody to blame if we failed. The fact tht the dice are loaded gives
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133 us a way out.
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134
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135 Mostlty its just endless, Its how we spend our time
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136 Running words together, each one a wordsmiths toy
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137
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016=Usr:50 Nicola Tesla 04/17/93 18:40 Msg:7825 Call:44224 Lines:1
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139 I shot the pope. Again.
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017=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 04/20/93 20:48 Msg:7826 Call:44241 Lines:21
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140 ----
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141 There are so many things going on in any given social situation. It is not
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142 Always easy to know just how sincere any participant is. To some extent, there
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143 seems to be a tendancy to assume and play roles. Individuals may have many
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144 differant roles at their disposal. Most are simple variations.
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145
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146 The main theme seldom changes. It seems that our goal in the early stage
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147 of life is to find a spot in which to be comfortable, and stay there. Few
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148 people change appreciably after their 20's, and many of those who do are
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149 forced by circumstances beyond their control.
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150
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151 Do we metephoricly die at some point? Do we grow tired of exploring and
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152 mapping new ground? Or are we simply at our destination?
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153
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154 I wonder what if any mechanism or outside force exerted the preasure that
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155 causes the particular trait I have been discussing. Is this trait
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156 quantifiable? What sort of force is required to over come it?
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157
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158 Life is a game with many funny little pieces. To ofteen we laugh at the
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159 pieces without ever seeing the image.
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160 ----
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018=Usr:63 Barbie Doll 04/23/93 12:55 Msg:7830 Call:44268 Lines:3
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161
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162 ~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~ Happy INTERNATIONAL PEPPERCORN DAY, Y'ALL ~@~@~@~@~@~@~@
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163 bye
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019=Usr:758 Thesis Antithesi 04/25/93 09:30 Msg:7833 Call:44281 Lines:26
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164
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165 |
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167 Ah, the call log shows new users at las Welcome.
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168
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169 AD, best wishes that you are well. I still drop by timebox and kaberd
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170 off and on. Their presence at the same phone number lets me know that you
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171 are still alive... :)
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172
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173 After reading what seems to be a private discussion, I have decided
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174 to do the impossible. Start a topic to be continued by others! My
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175 topic: Will the USA experience a major depression as it has in the past?
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176 An interesting article out of Inc. mag. points out that there are several
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177 "warning signs" that resemble the activities seen in the last great
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178 depression. Although the article was mainly geared towards keeping a
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179 business alive, I found it interesting that someone would "dare speak
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180 the unspeakable", at least as far as the business community is concerned.
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181 I believe that we will not have a depression, but more like a falling out
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182 experienced by Great Britian, a gradual decline of economic and social
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183 power and clout. We, as a nation, have severe problems: namely the fact
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184 that our elected leaders are letting the broad mass of the "non-wealthy"
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185 public get sucked dry by the "wealthier minority". Gotta get that extra
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186 million somehow, eh? Makes me wonder - why wealthy people need more and
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187 more money...when they could retire off of interest alone....strange world.
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188
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189 |
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020=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 04/28/93 12:37 Msg:7838 Call:44306 Lines:14
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190 &*&*&*&*'s
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191 Deppression? Good question. I'd say that the signs of an economic decline
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192 are obvious at this point. When you are paying as much in interest as we
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193 are (On the debt.) Thats a lot of money being sucked out of the general
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194 economy and into the pockets of the people who own the debt. And you don't
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195 get filthy rich by being generous. Atleast not ofteen.
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196
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197 The gap widens, and the only thing it can lead to is revolution. What sort is
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198 an open question. Me, I'll just sit back and watch. I've been telling people
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199 how it was going t be since I was 14. Ain't my fault nobody listened.
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200
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201 An Astral Dreamer
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202 &*&*&*&*'s (In the midst of his own personal depression.)
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203
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021=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 04/30/93 09:35 Msg:7843 Call:44321 Lines:5
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204 -----
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205 The money spent on little things
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206 Is so far away
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207 -----
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022=Usr:131 THE VISION 05/18/93 02:31 Msg:7862 Call:44472 Lines:7
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209 __________________________T H E V I S I O N____________________________
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210 Life is overrated.
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212 Don't you think?
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213 ________________________________________________________________________
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214@/s
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215@/q
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023=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 05/21/93 14:16 Msg:7863 Call:44487 Lines:1
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216 But death is a damned poor alternative.
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024=Usr:34 Justin Klein 03/03/94 02:29 Msg:8095 Call:46502 Lines:11
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217 ============================Justin the Blue================================
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218 No, I don't think life is overrated. If it weren't for life, I would
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219 never have met my wife and my cats.
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220 If you knew my wife and my cats the way _I_ do, you'd agree.
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221
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222 Anonymous random though: Shall I be existential today? No, I think
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223 not. Remember: "That which does not kill us makes us stronger; that
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224 which does kill us makes us Nietzsche" --- Justin the Blue.
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225
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226 Yes, you may quote me. Just _spell_the_name_right!!!!
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227 ==================================J=======================================
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025=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 06/08/93 19:46 Msg:7867 Call:44589 Lines:12
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228
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229 It's interesting that regardless of everything that happens in the
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230 BBS environment of Portland, this is the only board that I check
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231 up on regularly. Even though I almost never log on, and never post
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232 much anymore.
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233
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234 I wonder if anyone remembers me. Probably not.
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236 KR OLO
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237 \___/
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238 U
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026=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 06/13/93 22:04 Msg:7870 Call:44619 Lines:12
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240 &*&*&*&*'s
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241 KR, I remember you. Ah, what I wouldn't give for (Argh, I hate bad flow
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242 control. If I don't type at 110 baud or slower, characters get dropped.)
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243 the days of old. Well, actually I couldn't really give much since I have no
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244 money, but its the thought that counts.
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245
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246 Actully I'm working on a pilot project for an idea I recently had. Hopefully
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247 it'll make me some money. Should know by this time next month.
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248
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249 An Astral Dreamer
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250 &*&*&*&*'s (Dreaming of that green stuff I used to have some of.)
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251
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027=Usr:758 Thesis Antithesi 06/15/93 14:54 Msg:7871 Call:44631 Lines:13
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252 |
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254 Hello? Anyone home?
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255
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256 Now if I could get this $#&^%!@ Data Race BMX-VM modem fixed, I'll be
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257 cruising back at 2400 baud. Stink'n V.29 9600 doesn't mean much unles
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258 there is another Data Race attached at the end. I guess. Anyone know if
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259 other modems will connect to V.27 (4800) or V.29 (9600 w/7200 fall back)?
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260 Not quite the same as V.32, but..."the price was right".
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261
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262 AD, I still owe you $5.00.
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263
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264 |
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028=Usr:92 Katherine Dohert 06/18/93 07:37 Msg:7874 Call:44650 Lines:5
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265 ***********************************
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266 One problem with call blocking is that it sets up censorship. Since I came to
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267 this BBS to avoid censorship, the fact that someone is suggestiong it prompts
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268 me to post. nuff said
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269 **********kathyD************************
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029=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 06/18/93 21:23 Msg:7875 Call:44656 Lines:7
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270 &*&*&*&*'s
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271 KathyD, call blocking is not censorship. People can still say anything the
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272 y want, we can just choose not to listen. (Which is of course our right.)
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273
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274 An Astral Dreamer
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275 &*&*&*&'s (Life is something you do while waiting for the bus.)
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276
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030=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 06/21/93 21:19 Msg:7876 Call:44672 Lines:7
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277
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278 Once upon a time I thought I had a gift
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279 In the course of my life I have found
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280 That I was mistaken.
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281 What I really had was the oppurtunity to win or lose by my own rules
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282 And sometimes it seems to me that that is a curse.
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031=Usr:758 Thesis Antithesi 06/25/93 10:53 Msg:7880 Call:44688 Lines:5
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284 |
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286 Yet another person has discovered the "Curse of Life"...
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032=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 07/03/93 19:41 Msg:7881 Call:44741 Lines:7
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291 Only the truelly gifted
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292 Have the will to win
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293 The rest are happy
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295 To have the will to play
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033=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 07/09/93 10:57 Msg:7883 Call:44778 Lines:6
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296
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297 The city outside is changing
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298 Its streets are more in use
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299 And sometimes while I wait in line
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300 I spew out frustrated abuse
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301
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034=Usr:34 Justin Klein 07/13/93 00:15 Msg:7885 Call:44809 Lines:51
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302 ============================Justin the Blue===============================
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303 I learned something about my fellow human being today. Had a sort of
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304 epiphany, actually.
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305
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306 Where I work, there is a quarterly Customer Service Award. The method
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307 of determining the lucky victim is by the staff nominating those they
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308 feel gives good CS, wieghted by such things as attendance and overall job
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309 performance.
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310
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311 I suspect someone was playing around in the ballot box today. Not
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312 changing or stuffing it, just getting an idea of who was ahead.
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313
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314
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315 Now, our business is something of a dysfunctional family. The boss
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316 doesn't really trust all the employees, and all the employees don't really
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317 get along with the boss. And, this is not the first time that an employee
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318 thought that playing with the secret ballots would be a fun thing to do.
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319 The boss, however, tends to take this seriously.
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320
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321 Any wonder, when large trusts are built of small trusts, that the boss
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322 sometimes suspects his cre
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323 w? And suddenly I saw how, even though the boss is not by any stretch
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324 a prince, how often my fellow employees lay the seeds of thier own mis-doing
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325 before a dispute with the boss ensues. So much whining and complaining,
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326 so little of just trying to get your job completed and doing it well.
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327
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328 Our boss has begun giving us back samples of the work we do, pointing ou
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329 ways that we should be doing it so that it is all uniform. And why not...
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330 this is a production environment. Everyone is bellyaching like they've
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331 been shot..."I'm being written up again" is a common complaint.
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332
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333 Except that they aren't getting written up, just asked to do it differently.
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334 These aren't going n anyone's file. And what about individualism? they
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335 complain.
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337 This isn't a place for individuality. Imagine what kind of product a
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338 restaurant would produce if it ran that way.
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340 Individuality is good and real and necessary. But when you go to work for
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341 an employer, you do as your boss says, providing that his/her requests are
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342 not onerous. They have not been so.
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343
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344 I buckle down and do my work to the best of my ability, and try like hell
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345 to understand my fellow workers who seem to be able to do nothing but com-
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346 plain and find others to blame for thier actions.
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347
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348 What happened to honest hard work?
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349
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350 Thanks for looking. I had to get this (rightly or wrongly) out of my
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351 system.
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352 ============================Justin the Blue===============================
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035=Usr:758 Thesis Antithesi 07/13/93 13:40 Msg:7886 Call:44813 Lines:55
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356 Unfortuneately, I have seen something like this at my own work. But
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357 the problem lies mostly with middle management and, say, about 35% of the
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358 base-level employees. The owner, while somewhat greedy, means well enough,
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359 and is not "unapproachable", given the right conditions. His managers,
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360 however, are more concerned about their appearence to him. You see, it's
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361 not so much the fact that you work hard and get advancements based on
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362 capability and knowledge, but rather it's the fact that your work
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363 "looks good" and "who you know above you". Our Data Processing VP is
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364 borderline useless. It took the company YEARS to figure out that the
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365 system and software that they were using was next to useless. Years of
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366 hints, groveling, and teeny-tiny insinuated complaints produced no effect -
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367 his mind was made up, things were fine - until, one day, in the weekly
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368 manager's meeting, all hell broke loose. Reports that were vital to
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369 the buyers were not being run. System back-ups were not being done either,
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370 an ominous footnote, simply because the old Data General MV20000 could not
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371 keep up. "Gee, I wonder when they will convert to a Unix system?" I
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372 muttered under my breath. After 3 years of complete follys, F*ck-ups,
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373 and sheer incompitence, the company converted to a Data General Aviion
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374 system, running as a multi-processor Unix box. Smart move. You can't
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375 outgrow it for processing power - just purchase another processor card
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376 and slide it in. Another smart move. Need more terminals? Just hang
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377 another terminal block off the system's ethernet - smart move again.
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378 Then comes the price tag. The company had to obtain $1,000,000 in
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379 credit to purchase the system. They got a discount on GERS for staying
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380 with Data General. The clincher? GERS is Oracle based (read:SQL).
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381 Ergo, they could have run the software package on any other platform,
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382 and saved big $$$. After all, would you rather save $5000.00 on
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383 a $20,000 software package, or save, say, $800,000 by converting to
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384 a Sun SparcServer 2000 with extra processors?
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385
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386 Enough of my complaining. If I can find an "honest" employer who
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387 is willing to not only hire me but also treat me as "part of the team",
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388 I'm outta there in no time flat. It's not that I don't want to make
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389 an effort as directed by my employer; rather, it's the fact that my
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390 employer's managers are secretive (about what? like I really care
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391 about new promotionals the comany will have), vendictive, petty (a
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392 fellow co-worker who was clearly entitled to back pay as per company
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393 policy was flat-out told "You are not getting it."), and otherwise
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394 just plain flakes.
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395
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396 Teamwork is the key word that Justin was trying to convey. So far
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397 in a company of 1400+ people, I can only truely trust my departmental
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398 "team". There are even indicators that my boss's boss (our manager) -
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399 might be lying to the department and holding my boss "hostage" by
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400 threat of reprimand or dismissal.
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401
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402 I want to be a team player. But you can't have a good team if your
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403 bosses are individualists.
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404
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405 Thesis - AntiThesis
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408 &*&*&*&*'s
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409 Work and conformity are subjects that have been on my mind a good deal
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410 over the past several months.
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411
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412 I've always enjoyed the concept of being a team player. Problem is that
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413 its hell finding a team you can play on.
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414
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415 There are just to many people out there who have their own agenda, and
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416 aren't interested in working with anymone else. They're willing to
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417 butt kiss their superiors, and thats about the limit of their commitment
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418 to 'teamwork'. Ofteen, the quality of the work is (Fu$k, I hate the way
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419 BW swallows keystrokes at even my modest typing speeds.) not nearly as
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420 important as the perception that things are happening. Greasing the right
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421 palms, etc.
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422
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423 Thats just human nature I guess.
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424
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425 An Astral Dreamer
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426 &*&*&*&*'s (Living in this dream so real)
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428
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429 I don't think it's so much human nature as it is the socialization of
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430 our society. At an early age we are taught to compete with our friends
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431 to survive. We are taught that everything happens because of money, and
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432 not out of caring or intellegent thought. We are also taught that those
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433 who don't play this social game will loose everything, and become the
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434 people that have no home, no life, etc. This is not entirely true.
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435
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436 Many people figure "screw everyone else, I'll become a big cheese and
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437 have lots of money" because they can't think of anything else to do. In
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438 some cases, it's because they don't know better, and they are going by
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439 what they are told.
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440
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441 Such conditions actually work best for those who are in "power".
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442 While everyone else is fighting amongst themselves, the powerful an
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443 the self-employed live off their efforts to "climb to the top". If
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444 ever there was a waste of human talent, it would exist in this century,
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445 in this country. It only reminds me of the Pharohs of Egypt...
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446
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447 I like people who are willing to work with me. I especially like
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448 people who are open-minded enough to look past my differences with them,
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449 as some people tend to hire "clones" of themselves. I guess I wish for
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450 a team of open-minded people with a superior that is not only compitent,
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451 but also not afraid that I will stab them in the back to get their job.
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452 The last thing I need is to be a supervisor, earning a whole $1/hr more
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453 than what I have right now so I can deal with about 5 times as much
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454 cr*p that comes from every other department in the company...
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455
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456 I hope that things will change in America. I hope that management
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457 will one day wake up and figure out that their future is tied to those
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458 that do their work for them. I hope that management practices will change
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459 from the stupid and wasteful techniques used today towards a more
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460 integrated "team/family" approach.
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461
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462 I can have my dreams, can't I?
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463
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464 Thesis-AntiThesis
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465
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466 |
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038=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 07/24/93 10:33 Msg:7889 Call:44884 Lines:5
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467
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468 Writting words in te sand that will soon bethe past. Can you hear me?
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469 My words are only a echo and my actions in the past. Can you see me?
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470
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471
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039=Usr:34 Justin Klein 07/28/93 00:21 Msg:7892 Call:44918 Lines:29
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472 ===========================Justin the Blue===============================
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473 I was happy to see some of what was typed in response to what I had to
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474 say. I was worried that some would interpret it as a call to conformity,
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475 which was not what it was.
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476 I value individualism. I don't want to live in a world where everyone
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477 looks and acts the same. But then, there are situations where we must
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478 realise, I think, that...assuming survival is important and I think I speak
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479 for all of us when I say that we want to at least survive...that there are
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480 times when subsuming one's indivdual characteristics is vital in going for-
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481 ward. The arenas in which many of us are forced to grub about for our
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482 daily bread is one of those.
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483 I'd love to be able to not require debasing myself in an occupation I
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484 assume just to get by. C'est la guerre, I guess.
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485 I think the difference between those who strive for individuality at all
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486 costs and those who view life pragmatically is that between the reed which
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487 gives in response to changes and the tree who is ripped out of the ground
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488 in a storm. The tree held firm, steadfast...but where did it get it?
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489
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490 In today's world, one must change or be consumed. Maybe that's why life
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491 is so tiring these days...they didn't seem to have to do that before.
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492
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493 I look at it this way: I will remain flexible until I have grown strong
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494 enough to withstand the heaviest weather.
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495
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496 Beliefs are fine. All one has to be able to ask one's self is: can I
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497 accept the cost?
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498
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499 Another stream-of-conscousness, from:
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500 =============================Justin the Blue===============================
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040=Usr:758 Thesis Antithesi 07/29/93 22:02 Msg:7894 Call:44933 Lines:21
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502 |
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503
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504 Ah, but belief can be of value. I guess it depends upon how pragmatic
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505 the belief happens to be in a given social context. Being a bhuddist monk
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506 must be fine in a country where that social context carries weight, but
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507 being a bhuddist in America would be difficult, if not contrarian, to the
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508 social context here.
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509
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510 After all, a good bhuddist would shun such worldly pleasures as cars and
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511 TV's and personal walkmans, etc. Hardly a good attitude, given the
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512 "You Shall Consume" upbringing and socialization. Consumation of goods is
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513 great for an economy. Consumation of vast natural resources to inefficently
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514 produce goods is stupidity. I think that's one of the reasons I like old
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515 computers - you can "recycle" them, if you still have programs to rn
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516 on them. (Sigh) I'm just plain tired...rambling (and struggling with
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517 backwater's slow character acceptance).
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518
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519 Thesis | Anti-Thesis
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041=Usr:34 Justin Klein 08/04/93 19:40 Msg:7895 Call:44981 Lines:58
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522 =======================Justin the Blue============================
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523 You know, I'd forgotten how BW dropped characters if you type too
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524 fast. Me being a 60 WPM typist, yes, this CAN get frustrating. I don't
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525 mind, though.
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526
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527 Of all the BBS's I've frequented since becoming a frequent UNIX
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528 consumer (member of agora.rain.com, thankyew very much), this is
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529 the only one of the "regular" BBS's that I even log into anymore.
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530 I got into modeming back in 1985...fairly late when you consider my
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531 age (I was 25 at the time), most of the people I knew then were just
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532 a little younger than me and could put together computers with thier
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533 eyes closed.
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534
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535 I've always found it amusing of myself that of all the BBS's I could
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536 join up, with all they have to offer...echo mail, dowloading stuff,
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537 etc...I still come back here. But, maybe that's it. You see, all
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538 those other BBS's have something to offer you. You have to have
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539 something to offer BW, and that means that only bright people will
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540 call up and post.
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541
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542 Maybe that also explains why the most memorable people I've met,
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543 I've met (at among other places) here.
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544
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545 I think this connects with my stream of conciousness ramblings f
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546 a login or two back, but I'm not sure. I can feel the two thoughts
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547 kind of trying to connect. If they do, I'll let you all know.
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548 -----
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549 Back during that time...the time I met computers and BBS's...I had
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550 many noisy, fun friends. Anyone remember that fiasco called Midgard?
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551 I was there. If you don't, just as well...it's a long story anyway.
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552 But what has ocurred to me was that six years (yikes! Was it that long?)
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553 ago, even though I was a loner, I wanted to surround myself with
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554 loud and boisterous (though mostly shallow) companionship. Right now,
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555 even though I have good freinds and enjoy social f2f (face to face)
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556 interaction, the only person with whom I actually crave personal contact
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557 with is my wife.
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558
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559 I wonder...does that mean I'm growing up...or getting cynical.
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560 I'm not antisocial...I just like staying home alot...having to bust
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561 my chops working at a job that I'm doing just for bread and having
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562 to start my own business just to do the job I want to do has something
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563 to do with it, I'm sure.
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564 ------
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565 Oh, while I'm thinking about it, do any of you UNIX fans that may
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566 log in and read here have a compiled-for-DOS copy of the game
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567 "ularn" that I could get a copy of? You can download it and ftp it
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568 from the Internet with a patch to convert the code to something
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569 Microsquish C can compile, but I don't have the money the get the
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570 compiler nor the time to deal with compiling.
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571
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572 Send me some private mail if you know what I'm talking about; my
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573 user number is 34. If you don't know what I'm talking about, never
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574 mind.
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575 ============Still Justin after all these years=========================
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576 =========================Justin.....
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577 Oh, one more thing...as a registered user, I can up my "level" to
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578 1. What's the benefit of this? Should I even bother, or is it
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579 just to make me feel good?
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042=Usr:43 Bruce Powell 08/04/93 22:31 Msg:7896 Call:44986 Lines:2
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580@
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581 >!
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043=Usr:34 Justin Klein 08/09/93 23:00 Msg:7899 Call:45027 Lines:4
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582 =====================Justin the Blue=============================
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583 And just in case you all are wondering, Generalissimo Francisco
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584 Franco is STILL DEAD!
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585 ==================Reassuring, isn't it?==========================
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044=Usr:34 Justin Klein 08/13/93 03:13 Msg:7900 Call:45040 Lines:39
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586 ======================Justin the Blue============================
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587
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588 Continuing my conquest of the Greater BackWater Message System
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589 and then progressing to the lands beyond. Also, by the CA command,
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590 I can see that this will be message #7900, so that's a minor mile-
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591 stone. Yah, I know, less than getting the top of a disk, but there
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592 you are.
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593
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594 Nothing much new here except we just survived a day with my
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595 mother in law (who is an angel but prone to melancholy and will
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596 talk without interruption and is therefore tolerable in small doses
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597 only), and my first map product is coming apace toward the finishig
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598 stages.
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599
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600 The first SunDial Map to be published is one of McMinnville.
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601 It's a small city, easily within the scope of a first time project.
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602 I also plan on making a verbose street guide with it...the kind
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603 a cab diver can use...I met one of the owners of the one and only
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604 local taxi company in McMinnville and there seemed to be an interest.
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605 I'm drawing it in GenericCADD 2.0 (very old) and will probably
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606 transfer it to a DXF file so's I can plot it on a computer running
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607 AutoCAD.
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608
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609 BTW, anyone out there have a copy of AutoCAD Release 10 that's
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610 just a-takin' up space on the shelf and are willing to let go for
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611 some insanely low cost? I really love that program and can do a great
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612 deal with it. Failing that, how about a newer version of Generic?
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613 3 or 4 maybe?
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614
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615 What am I asking for?
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616
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617 If you said CHARITY, you'd be right. If you looked at my
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618 bank balance and income, you'd know why I'm begging in public lik
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619 this...but if I don't get a better tool to draw maps with, I'm going
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620 to go CRAZY!!!!!!!!!
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621
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622
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623 Thanks for your time I now skulk back to my hole.
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624 ==================Still mapping after all these years.==================
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045=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/19/93 20:57 Msg:7907 Call:45080 Lines:38
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625 &*&*&*&*'s
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626
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627 Well, what to say. This may very well be my last post on backwater. Atleast
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628 for awhile. Why you ask? Because I'm probably moving out of the state. Down
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629 to the bay area where you can actually find a job in the computer industry.
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630
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631 also, perhaps because I've outgrown the software and hardware here. I love
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632 BWMS and the traditions, but its (F*CK) just getting to annoying to watch one
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633 in three words mangled in spite of typing as slow as I can stand. When I
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634 used to be slow it wasn't really that big a deal.
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635
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636 And what will be my potential last topic? Neurosis. The problem with being
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637 neurotic is that it controls your life. Whatever the obsesion is, it
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638 becomes the center of your being. The rest of your life either circles
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639 around avoiding it, or living it.
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640
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641 Heres a few lines from a song/poem I recently wrote.
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642
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643 He sits all alone in an empty car driving
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644 His eyes on the road but his minds far away
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645 He dreams of a place where there is no horizone
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646 And he hopes someday he'll find a place to stay.
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647
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648 Everyone longs for a center in their life, and we all at one time or another
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649 wish there was no horizone (death). So what happens when that center is
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650 removed? Sometimes we fill it up with nothing, or if we are especially lucky
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651 we find a new center. But there must always be something there, wether it
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652 is a vacume waiting to be filled, or a person, or a thing. Sometimes the
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653 center is an idea. Ideas are dangerous, not becuse it is wrong to hold a
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654 belife, but because it is so easy to become dogmatic or loose track of
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655 reality.
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656
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657 I believe that life is about experience. We must constantly be assimilating
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658 new things. Otherwise we die.
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659
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660 Good bye all.
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661 An Astral Dreamer
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662 &*&*&*&*'s (mke@qiclab.scn.rain.com)
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046=Usr:758 Thesis Antithesi 08/19/93 21:53 Msg:7908 Call:45081 Lines:17
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663
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665
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666 Goodbye Mike. I wish you the best of luck. Thanks for
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667 the help with the modem - and the account, too.
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668
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669 I've met few people here in Portland. Most of the people I meet are
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670 either too busy droneing around shopping malls or are too bizarre for
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671 me to handle. Every once in awhile I meet someone who stands out. There
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672 was John Maurice from my work - a quick, intelligent man with a curious
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673 mind. There was Lydia Foix - a young lady with a son who gave me some
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674 free advice - and thankfully, I was not a fool to ignore it. And there
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675 was Mike. I'm sure I'll meet other interesting people who are open-minded
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676 enougth to converse with me. But they always seem far and few between.
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677
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678 Thesis (is the opposite of) Antithesis (is the opposite of) Thesis...
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679 |
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680 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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681 though you will never see this, I write this to you.
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682
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683 We ventured the road of life together
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684 With high hopes of what the future might hold
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685 A long and uphill journey on our way to the years of gold.
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686 The clouds all had silver linings
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687 The horizon always seemed so near
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688 Somewhere along our straight and guided path
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689 We came upon a crossroads and halted our steady pace
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690 Lifetimes of indecisions and deliberations followed
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691 With no solution near.
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692 While pondering the pros and cons
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693 Of whether right or left
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694 I look on towards the horizon and saw you nowhere near
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048=Usr:549 alan kennedy 09/06/93 04:02 Msg:7918 Call:45203 Lines:3
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695 Now I sit by myself and wonder which trail to roam
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696 To follow behind you always or to go it on my own
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049=Usr:549 alan kennedy 09/12/93 21:16 Msg:7919 Call:45248 Lines:3
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698 hey any opinions on seaquest? i thought it was pretty good but it can
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699
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700 do without the Wessley Crusher wannabe
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050=Usr:34 Justin Klein 09/21/93 23:08 Msg:7922 Call:45342 Lines:21
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701 ========================Justin the Blue=============================
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702 OPINION ON SEAQUEST: Dunno. Don't watch TV, 'ceptin the news,
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703 and not even that much any more. PDX TV is starting to commercialize
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704 the evening report (witness the recent KATU series on Sally Jessy
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705 Raphael) and they don't even do it well. Makes me gag. They can
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706 put whatever they want on Network TV; I'm not a consumer.
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707 AN ASTRAL DREAMER: Always a loss when an anchor and benchmark leaves.
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708 I didn't know him well at all; didn't really even communicate with him.
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709 If anything, it makes me face something I don't really want to face;
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710 the fact that if I want a successful, affluent future, I may not be
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711 able to stay in my beloved city...
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712 ON OTHER THINGS: Things, as per usual, on the same even, uneven
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713 keel. A co-worker passed away at work. It's quite something to come
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714 into work one day and be told that somebody you expected to see there
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715 had passed away in his sleep the night before. Especially when you
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716 had only known him a little more than a year, only to discover that
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717 you quite looked up to him; his life as a fire-fighter and union0
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718 organizer bespoke of sacrifice and concern for others.
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719 Oh, yes, and...car. Car needs this, car needs that, car needs
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720 a new clutch for $345...sigh.
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721 ======================Just hitting the high points=================-
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051=Usr:758 Thesis Antithesi 09/22/93 18:40 Msg:7924 Call:45348 Lines:16
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724
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725 Sounds like life is knocking at everyone's door.
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726
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727 Earthquake in south Oregon? Hum, just how long does the fault line
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728 extend? I was amazed to hear of tornados in Portland, but Earthquakes?
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729
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730 As far as Justin's clutch goes, I'm willing to say that the wholesale
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731 to dealer cost is about $150.00 or so. Throwout bearings, cabling, etc.
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732 would be $50-100; a total of about $225.00, that leaves about $120.00
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733 in labor charges for a two or three hour job, the mechanics are drawing
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734 $40 or $60 an hour, approx gross! Get a second lookover elsewhere,
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735 Justin...
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736
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738 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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739 Hi Mikey. Long time no see. My normal modem won't connect at 1200, but I am
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740 using the laptop today. Other modem is busy elsewhere. It doesn't look too
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741 busy here, bu I am delighted to still find it active. It's been more than ten
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742 years since I first logged on.
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743 I hope you are well. I have two children now, and we moved further out S.E.
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744 I am grown up now, I guess, worried about things like school funding and
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745 retirement accounts. And I am probably going to buy a minivan soon. Doesn't
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746 seem possible to me.
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747 How's by you? I will call in and check in to see what's up. I still recognize
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748 a few names from before. Justin and the Astral Dreamer, actually.
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749 TTYL
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750 [][][][][][][][][][][][][] Friar [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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751
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053=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 10/24/93 09:06 Msg:7984 Call:45688 Lines:12
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752 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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753 Mikey-
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754 I see that things haven't changed much. Do they ever? At this point, I am not
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755 sue if you are reading any of this. I was reading recently of bridge and the
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756 rowan tree, and I missed the adventures. I am now a gorwn up, and I go to
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757 school board meetings (Not PPS, don't worry.) and I have a mortgage, a retire-
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758 ment fund,college funds for two girls, etc. No more dashing off to fight
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759 bersekers with my magic bag tha has an abundance of food every time we needed
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760 it.
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761 Lament fo a lost youth.
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762 Dave
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763 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Friar [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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054=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 11/05/93 06:41 Msg:8002 Call:45785 Lines:6
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764 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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765 Mikey-
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766 Are you interested in a paper copy of the archives? I am about to recycle it,
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767 and thought youmight want one. Yours for the pick up.
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768 Dave
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769 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Friar [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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055=Usr:34 Justin Klein 11/11/93 23:36 Msg:8021 Call:45841 Lines:28
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770 ======================Justin the Blue=================================
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771 Okay, I don't call enough. Guilty, guilty, guilty. I'm touched when
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772 someone frommmm....theeeee...paaaaaaasst! remembers me, so thanks very
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773 much, Friar. As for me, I don't go to School
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774 Board meetings, as though my marriage is quite well, we are still
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775 ambivalent about children. However, I am 31 years old and my wife
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776 is 29, so the way I see it we still have a few years to decide. We
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777 are leaning toward yes, but still don't know when.
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778
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779 In order to survive recessions et.al., I am researching a way to
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780 start a mapping firm...primarily city street maps, the Thomas Bros/
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781 Pittmon kind. I know I can do it well, I just have to figure out
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782 how.
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783
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784 Is it true that BackWater was originally on a small machine called
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785 a "DiskWriter?" A few years back I founda DiskWriter manual (don't
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786 know where it is now). What it is is essentially a disk drive
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787 attatched to a microprocessor, which does really only one thing:
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788 writes text to a disk from a terminal (direct or modem connect). The
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789 command range and syntax seemed suspiciously like the BW message
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790 commands as I know them (being a superset, of course).
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791
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792 I promise I'll check in more often, cross my heart and hope to
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793 (fill in the blank).
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794
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795 One final question: the "CALL" listing shows the string "*Twit*"
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796 next to each and every login by Synthesis. Howcum? Jes'curious.
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797 ====================================================================
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056=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 11/17/93 12:09 Msg:8026 Call:45887 Lines:9
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798 [][][][][][][][][][][]
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799 Mikey- Ok. I'll recycle it. The looney is why I stopped posting. It was
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800 hard to get a word in edgewise. I came back, and that is all that was left.
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801 Still, isn't this the oldest _continuously operating_ BBS in th PDX area? When
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802 CBBS left for such a long time, I think that may have bumped you into frst
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803 place.
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804 TTYL
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805 [][][][][][][][][][][]Friar
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806
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057=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 11/21/93 19:46 Msg:8028 Call:45920 Lines:5
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807 Yes, BWMS is currently the oldest continuously oerating BBS in the
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808 Portland area. And showing its age too. It has certainly lost the
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809 luster of it's younger days. I miss that as well as the people,
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810 but time moves onward.
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811 **************************** CM **********************************
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058=Usr:186 Wesley Smith 11/24/93 20:32 Msg:8031 Call:45943 Lines:4
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812 From Wesley Smith, I have always enjoyed using this system. I think other
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813 peoples opineons are interesting and stimulating. I do"nt always understand
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814 what they are talking about, but i some times like readin the messages on the
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815 system. I want to take this time to wish every one a happy Thanksgiving, anda
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059=Usr:13 voyeur 11/25/93 22:23 Msg:8032 Call:45958 Lines:1
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816 ::::::O O:::::::11/26::::::::::::voyeur:::::::::::00:31:::::::::O O:::::::::::
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060=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 12/29/93 00:18 Msg:8037 Call:46056 Lines:11
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817
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818 Sorry folks, then storm of several weeks ago has caused nasty problems
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819 with BWMS. The modem and computer both died. The computer is now
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820 running, but the modem is still dead. Since BWMS has specific needs
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821 with regard to the modem, modern replacments won't work. I'm currently
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822 using a 2400 baud modem on the system. This prevents 300 baud from
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823 working, and I'm having trouble with 1200 baud too. The computer is
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824 not overly happy with 2400 baud either. If youget on, consider yourself
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825 lucky. the system will be up and down over the next few weeks as I
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826 try to get it going again.
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827 *************************** CISTOP MIKEY *****************************
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061=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 12/30/93 08:13 Msg:8038 Call:46069 Lines:5
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829 OK, so I'm lucky. Happy new year to you, Mikey, and to the longest
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830 continuosly operating BBS in [PDX, PNW, West Coast, USA, NA, World?]
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092=Usr:34 Justin Klein 05/15/94 23:54 Msg:8129 Call:46877 Lines:6
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863 ===========================Justin the Blue=================================
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864 Richard Nixon...........Is still dead.
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865 ===========================================================================
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866 (And the Mayan panoramas on my pyramid pajamas haven't helped
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867 my little problem.)
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868 =================================J=========================================
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093=Usr:34 Justin Klein 05/29/94 00:17 Msg:8137 Call:46926 Lines:31
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869 ========================Justin the Blue====================================
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870 Well, hel-LO! What a pleasant surprise to see someone to respond to.
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871 As I said over there in Room A of the asylum, welcome back, Phoenix.
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872 While, as you, I cannot say that BW was my first experience, it was my
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873 second. Agora was my first. Here it is, almost eight years later, moved
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874 to Corvallis for a while, came back. Back then, I had a login at Agora
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875 and a login here. These days, I have one at agora and one here. Guess
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876 the more things change, the more they stay the same.
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877 Except...is it just me, or is the BBS scene in PDX just not as much
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878 fun as it was? Has Internet jaded me? Right now, I have just one other
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879 BBS login...on Abort,Retry or Fail?...so I can play online games and
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880 maybe (maybe) get into an echomail chat, the way it used to be. These
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881 days, the local chatter echo never gets any mail, and they're arguing
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882 religion the way they did months ago on Usenet. I'm looking to jump
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883 in to a discussion over on FidoNet, but nobody talks about anything
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884 very interesting.
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885 Or am I overly arrogant? Or have I moved on? I'm not ready to join
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886 the Olde Folks yet!
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887
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888 I *am* looking forward to editions of the Phoenix Polymorph show.
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889 It's one of my fond memories of the upper-middle 80's. This kind of
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890 class, the 90's could use more of, I'm telling you.
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891
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892 (Phoenix, was it you who had multiple guests and to tell them apart
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893 you pioneered ascii-faces as we know them today? Am I placing this right?)
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894
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895 I'll whine about TV news next time, but as I haven't watched anything
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896 but Saturday Night Live lately, I'm fairly happy. Just *don't* get me
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897 started on local radio.
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898 Well, maybe not till next time.
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899 =========================New Moon on Monday================================
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