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001=Usr:0 Null User 06/30/87 20:34 Msg:0 Call:0 Lines:19
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1$If you are in need of help, you need but ask...
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2$************************* 03 NOV 90 **************************************
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3$Welcome to BWMS II (BackWater Message System II) Mike Day System operator
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4$**************************************************************************
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5$GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS II IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION
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6$ PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM.
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7$BWMS II was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS II is a privately
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8$owned and operated system which is currently open for use by the general
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9$public. No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the
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10$system is privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all
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11$messages which I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the
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12$system, it will be periodically purged of messages (only 999 lines of data
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13$can be saved). To leave a message, type 'ENTER'. Use ctrl/C to get out
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14$the ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering
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15$the message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to
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16$replace the line. To exit from the system, type 'BYE' then hang up.
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17$Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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18$**************************************************************************
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19$
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002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 11/02/90 21:34 Msg:5601 Call:31841 Lines:3
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20 We shall sooner have the fowl by hatching the egg than by smashing it.
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21 -- Abraham Lincoln
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22 ***********************************************************************
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003=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 11/03/90 00:57 Msg:5602 Call:31843 Lines:10
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23 &*&*&*&*'s
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24 At the top again. See the disk spread out below.
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25
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26 Twin peaks was great tonight. Seeing lynch as coopers boss was a very nice
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27 touch. I've had a feeling since I read the secret diary that ben horn had
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28 something to do with lauras death. I guess we'll know for sure next week.
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29
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30 An Astral Dreamer (At the top sub 2)
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31 &*&*&*&*'s
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32
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004=Usr:348 Elvis Khan 11/03/90 02:12 Msg:5603 Call:31844 Lines:9
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33 Neat Middle-East articles, where do they come from? Jus' wonderin'. I *think*
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34 this is where I should be putting this, I'm not sure. I'm new here, and the
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35 message style isn't like anything I've ever seen, so bear with me, ok?
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36
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37 -*Elvis Khan*-
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38 Well, I see it's working. That's good.
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39
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40 Well, I guess this isn't where I should have posted my message. So sue me.
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41 -*Elvis Khan*-
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005=Usr:322 Stray Cat 11/03/90 09:24 Msg:5604 Call:31847 Lines:1
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006=Usr:322 Stray Cat 11/03/90 12:55 Msg:5605 Call:31848 Lines:108
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44 }**{}**{}**{}**{}**{}**{}**{}**{}**{}
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45
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46 It's today, NOT yesterday, isn't it? I can never remember if its 3 or 4 or 62,
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47 63 or 64, but since it's 17 it must be 63, which means it would mean it is 4,
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48 because if it wudda been three I'da noticed the duplicity. So I guess yester-
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49 day's message is for TODAY!!! <grin> That's from the "right" side.
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50
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51 I WAS READING A SCIENTIFIC ARTICLE
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52
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53 They hgave photographed the brain
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54 and here is the picture, it is full
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55 of branches as I always suspected
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56
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57 each time you arrive the electricity
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58 of seeing you is a huge
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59 tree lumbering through my skull, the roots waving,
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60
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61 It is an earth, its fibres wrap
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62 things buried, your forgotten words
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63 are graved in my head, an intricate
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64
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66 red blue and pink prehensile chemistry
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67 veined like a leaf
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68 network, or is it a seascape
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69 with corals and shining tentacles.
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70
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71 I touch you, I am created in you
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72 somewhere as a complex
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73 filament of light
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75 You rest on me and my shoulder holds
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76
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77 your heavy unbelievable
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78 skull, crowded with radiant
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79 suns, a new planet, the people
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80 submerged in you, a lost civilization
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81 I can never excavate:
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82
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83 my hands trace the contours of a total
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84 universe, its different
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85 colours, flowers, its undiscovered
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86 animals, violent or serene
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87
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88 its other air
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89 its claws
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90
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91 its paradise rivers
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92
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93 Margaret Atwood
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94 From ANIMALS IN THAT COUNTRY
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95
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96 And for Elvis, whose signature looks like spurs,
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97
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98 BACKDROP ADDRESSES COWBOY
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100 Starspangled cowboy
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101 sauntering out of the almost-
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102 silly West, on your face
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103 a porcelain grin,
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104 tugging a papier-mache' cactus
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105 on wheels behind you with a string.
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106
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107 you are innocent as a bathtub
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108 full of bullets.
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110 Your righteous eyes, your laconic
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111 trigger fingers
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112 people the streets with villains:
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113 as you move, the air in front of you
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114 blossoms with targets
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115
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116 and you leave behind you a heroic
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117 trail of desolation:
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118 beer bottles
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119 slaughtered by the side
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120 of the road, bird-
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121 skulls bleaching in the sunset.
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122
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123 I ought to be watching
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124 from behind a cliff or a cardboard storefront
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125 when the shooting starts, hands claspecd
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126 in admiration,
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127
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128 but I am elsewhere.
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129
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130 Then what about me
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131
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132 what about the I
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133 confronting you on that border
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134 you are always trying to cross?
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135
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136 I am the horizon
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137 you ride towards, the thing you can never lasso
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138
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139 I am also what surrounds you:
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140 my brain
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141 scattered with your
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142 tincans, bones, empty shells,
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143 the litter of your invasions.
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144
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145 I am the space you desecrate
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146 as you pass through.
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147
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148 By Margaret Atwood
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149 from ANIMALS IN THAT COUNTRY
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150
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007=Usr:388 Time To Vote 11/03/90 22:36 Msg:5606 Call:31855 Lines:140
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151 ^$^%&$^%$^%$&$&$^$&^$&^$^%$^%^$^%$^&%$&^%$^$&^^%$^$^%^$^%$&^^%^%&^%$^%$&
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152
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153 Measure 1: Create a metropolitan service district government body.
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154 Right now there is a "tri-city" area that is treated specially by the state
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155 as a metro-service district. Currently it is managed by the state
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156 legislature to deal with things like mass transit and waste disposal within
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157 the area. This measure would provide another layer of government that would
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158 be run by the people within the metro area. I'm ambivalent on this one. I
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159 like the idea of restricting the government control to those that are
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160 affected by it, but I dislike implementing yet another layer of government.
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161 I'll probably end up voting against it for that reason.
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162
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163 Measure 2: Allows merged school districts to equally divvy up tax base.
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164 Currently it is a mess to do a merger. This is mostly a cleanup measure to
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165 make the process simpler. Previously the merger involved divvying up the sum
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166 plus six percent. For obvious reasons, voters were unwilling to do a merge
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167 if it meant an increase in taxes. Even if there was a long term savings.
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168 Fine by me, I'll go for it.
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169
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170 Measure 3: Equalizes state and federal tax exemption. I'm still confused on
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171 this one. They don't explain it enough. The equalization is fine, but there
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172 is mention of $16 million payment to retires that isn't fully explained. I
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173 think it is a payment to the federal workers for the previous years so that
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174 they can equalize without taking money back from the state workers. It's
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175 hard to tell though because it is two full pages of in condensed type of
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176 lawyer talk. If I don't understand it by tuesday I'll vote against it on
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177 general principals.
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178
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179 Measure 4: Shut down Trojan Nuclear Power Plant.
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180 The usual fear of nuclear things in any form here. They keep referring to
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181 the Chernobal accident totally ignoring that the Chernobal design was known
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182 to be unsafe and very dangerous. The US abandoned that design decades ago.
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183 They also like to point out the enormous amount of radiation released
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184 from Hanford. Ignoring that most of it was before the dangers of radioactive
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185 contamination were recognized.
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186
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187 A piece of trivia:
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188 Every year more people are hurt and killed in coal mining accidents than
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189 have been hurt and killed by nuclear related accidents since the very start
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190 of nuclear activity (this includes the Chernobal accident). In the same
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191 period of time over which both coal and nuclear power have been in use, the
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192 total number of *all* nuclear related death and disease _including_ the
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193 bombing in Japan have been less than the deaths and disease attributable to
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194 coal power. The same can be said of environment. The amount of
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195 environmental damage due to coal mining has been far greater than the
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196 problems associated with nuclear power.
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197 At a time when we are experiencing a serious problem with dependence on
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198 foreign fossil fuels and major concern over the environment, it seems rather
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199 stupid to me to shut down a power source that generates 1 billion watts of
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200 power in favor of other sources that have known devastating effects to
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201 people and the environment. As you can probably guess, I'm against the
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202 shutdown.
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203
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204 Measure 5: Limit property tax.
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205 Yet another property tax limitation bill. These happen as often as the sales
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206 tax issues. This cuts property taxes in half by 1996 specifically for
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207 schools, but provides for no alternative source of income to replace the
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208 lost revenue source.
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209 I like the idea since retired people and other people on fixed income are
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210 very heavily hit by the property tax, but without an alternate source of
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211 income for school funding this bill is very poorly conceived. I'm voting no
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212 on this one. I want property tax reduction too, but not this way.
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213
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214 Measure 6: All packaging material must be made of recycled material.
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215 A nice idea, but no thought has gone into the exceptions needed for safety
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216 issues such as medical materials and health concerns over recycled
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217 packaging. Would you want your pills to come in a bottle that you don't know
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218 where it has been before? I like the idea, but it needs a lot more thought
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219 applied to it first. When they get the kinks worked out I might consider it,
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220 but this time around it causes more problems than it solves.
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221
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222 As a side interest, after spending several years defending it's use of foam
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223 plastic containers and saying that they were environmentally safe, McDonalds
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224 is now switching back to paperboard packaging. Turns out that despite their
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225 comments to the contrary, foam plastic is not easily recyclable.
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226
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227 Measure 7: Work for welfare payments.
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228 This is basically the old "If I'm gonna give you money, then I expect some
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229 work for it" bit. This is a pilot program to see if it can be made to work.
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230 It basically says; "If you are able bodied, and can work, then you will have
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231 to work or you won't receive food stamps or welfare money." Nobody is
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232 forcing them to work, but if they want public assistance then they have to
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233 work for it. It's worth a shot at it in my opinion. The current welfare
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234 system encourages people to stay on welfare, that's a no win situation, so
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235 I'm interested in exploring other options.
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236
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237 Measure 8: Prohibit abortions.
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238 Here's a nice emotion filled issue. I have a lot of concern about abortions.
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239 Not just from the standpoint of the unborn fetus, but also from the
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240 standpoint of the woman herself. It's really an issue of where you draw the
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241 line. What's next, forced conception? After all, every woman carries eggs,
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242 and almost all of them are washed from her body without being fertilized.
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243 These are potential human beings, shouldn't they be "protected". What about
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244 natural abortions? Upto 30% of all pregnancies end in a miscarriage.
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245 Shouldn't we jail the woman for allowing that to happen? Shouldn't we use
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246 all possible medical capabilities to force the fetus to term no matter how
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247 badly formed it may be? Never mind the cost, never mind the financial and
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248 emotional impact on the woman and her family. So where do you draw the line?
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249 Do I impose my belief about where the line should be drawn on everyone else?
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250 That's not exactly what America was founded on. I don't feel that I have a
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251 right to force my belief about where that line should be drawn on someone
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252 else. It should be their own decision. Finally, it is not like it is a one
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253 time thing. In most situations the woman can try for a child again when she
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254 is more financially and emotionally prepared. I'd much rather see the amount
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255 of effort and money being dumped on this directed at education so that the
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256 women won't find themselves in a situation where abortion has to be
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257 considered.
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258
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259 Measure 9: Mandatory Seat belt law.
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260 A nice idea, but will it do anything? In other states where passed it has
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261 proven to provide no affect at all. I'm mainly against it because it does
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262 not solve any problems and thus becomes yet another useless law clogging the
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263 system. (Note: that there is already in effect a seatbelt law requiring all
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264 children under 16 to be belted in which I have no problem with.)
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265 I would rather see the money and effort go towards public education about
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266 the effectiveness of wearing a seatbelt. You would get a lot more mileage
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267 out of that. I would also like to see a law whereby if you failed to wear
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268 your seltbelt that any injuries resulting thereof would be your own
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269 responsibility.
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270
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271 Measure 10: Notice for abortion on minors.
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272 A doctor must give notice to the parent before performing an abortion on a
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273 minor unless it is a life threatening situation. I have no problem with
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274 this. I suppose that it goes to some extent against my statement of not
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275 forcing my own rules on others, but, one of the basics is that a child is
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276 under the control and protection of the parent until they are no longer a
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277 minor, therefor the parent should have the right to be informed that such a
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278 procedure is to be performed on their child. Every other major medical
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279 procedure not only requires parental notification, but requires parental
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280 consent.
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281
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282 Measure 11: Tax credit for education outside public school system and allow
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283 students to be enrolled in school of choice. I like the idea of school of
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284 choice enrollment, but dislike the tax credit aspect. Everyone pays for
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285 education, including businesses and people. This is not a matter of you
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286 paying for your own child's education, it is paying for everyone's education
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287 including your own. You want to get that punk off the street? Educate him!
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288 I'm against the tax credit stuff.
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289
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290 $^$^%$^%$$&^$^%$^%$^%$&^%$^%^%$&^%$&^%$^%$^%$^$^%$^%^%$^$^%$^%$&^$&^%$^%^%$
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008=Usr:165 Bart Simpson 11/04/90 07:43 Msg:5607 Call:31863 Lines:37
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291 It is always interesting when the knee-jerk pro-nuke boys get going when they
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292 feel threatened. Always insisting that it is an irrational fear of anything
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293 radioactive, not realizing that nukes are safer than any other form of power
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294 generation. But they never get specific about any safe nuke plants. Ever
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295 notice that they all have safety problems of one kind or another? Ever notice
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296 how they all leak? Ever notice how they all keep generating tons and tons
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297 of waste that no one wants and that will be around for hundred of thousands
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298 of years as dangerous garbage? How about if the above author (anonymous,yet)
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299 directly addresses some of the specific issues surrounding the shut down
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300 of Trojan...such as the abysmal safety record PGE has in operating it, such
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301 as the issue of radioactive waste stored mere feet from the Columbia river,
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302 such as the fact that Trojan only has a few years left until it HAS to be
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303 decommissioned because the radioactivity will destroy it. And the radioactive
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304 sludge will remain. and remain, and remain. and remain. Eventually there
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305 will be an earthquake. Mt. St. Helens is having "an event" even as I type
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306 this. What happens then? Sure, it was built to withstand an earthquake, so
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307 was most of the freeway that collapsed in San Francisco last year. For a true
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308 perspective of the true attitude of the nuclear industry, get a copy of the
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309 album "Dear Friends" by the Firesign Theatre, and listen to a cut "Nukes
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310 in the News"...it really says it all. Then, be sure to vote.
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311
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312 and vote YES on 4. Shut Trojan Down. It is unsafe, and overly costly.
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313
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314 lets put some money into solar research, and put PGE out of business.
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315 Yes on 4 Shut Trojan Down
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317 Yes on 4 Shut Trojan down Yes on 4 Shut Trojan down Yes on 4
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320 SHUT TROJAN DOWN YES ON 4 YES ON 4 YES ON 4 YES ON 4 YES ON 4
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323 YES ON 4 YES ON 4 YES ON 4 YES ON 4
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325 (the above message was NOT paid for by one of PGE's front organizations)
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009=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 11/04/90 08:45 Msg:5608 Call:31864 Lines:40
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328 &*&*&*&*'s
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329 Heres how I'm voting. Note that I'm only voting on the measures that I've
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330 actually had time to look into.
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331
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332 Measure 4. I'm voting yes.
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333 The safety violations bother me, as does the fact that this is a highly
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334 subsidized form of electrical generation. Add in the fact that they havn't
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335 been charging us anything for the eventual cost of disposal and you get the
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336 idea. One of these days they'll be knocking on our doors demanding N billion
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337 dollers to get rid of all that waste. So much for the theory that nuclear
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338 power is cheap.
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339
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340 Measure 5. I'm voting no.
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341 Property taxes are high, and they do tend to tax people at an unfair rate, as
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342 the elderly and unemployed may own homes, but have very little income.
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343 But, here are a few questions to ask yourself. Why doesn't this bill allow a
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344 local vote on what sort of a limit people want? In some areas a 10$ for city
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345 services is very high, while it others it is low. And there is to the best of
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346 my knowledge NO way to go above this 10$ limit, even if people want to. Also,
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347 This bill takes local control of schools largly out of the hands of people
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348 living within the district and into the hands of the state which will be
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349 divying up whatever replacment tax they come up with. Personally I'd
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350 rather see a reformed income tax system and a county by county income tax
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351 as a means of property tax relief
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352
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353 Measure 9 (The seat belt law?) I'm voting yes.
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354 Insurance and medical costs are way to high. Education has been tried in the
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355 past, and I still know people who believe that not wearing seat belts is safer.
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357 Measure 11. I'm voting no.
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358 Why should I made to fund private schools?
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359
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360 Note, I work for portland public schools, so YES, I do have a bias on some
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361 of these issues. If measure 5 passes chances are very good that I'll be
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362 unemployed in 1 to 6 months, as will be a large number of other people.
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363 (I don't trust the legislature to do this right.)
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364
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365 An Astral Dreamer
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366 &*&*&*&*'s
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367
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010=Usr:322 Stray Cat 11/04/90 11:07 Msg:5609 Call:31865 Lines:28
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369 To Control, Money and % (bigger piece of the pie??)
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371 You idea about insurance companies not paying for injuries sustained while NOT
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372 wearing a seatbelt absolutely STINKS. It's hard enough to deal with the pre-
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373 sent extortion rates and collection on claims, why give them more power to take
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374 your money & run? I don't see insurance companies too differently that savings
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375 and loans.
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376
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377 To Astral Dreamer:
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378
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379 If you work for PPS, they you ARE aware of the nepotism and other waste and
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380 abuse that is so much a part of daily operations there. It **IS** too bad
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381 an alternate hasn't been instituted before this. I would hope that if this
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382 bill passes, that the MANY, MANY employees of PPS would see to it that it
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383 is the ****ADMINISTRATIVE WASTE***** that is dealt with first. And I wouldn't
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384 depend on your unions to do this for you ... I've found that is NOT what they
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385 are there for. Maybe if it does pass, the "peons" (teachers, support staff)
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386 might get together and study the school budget and possibly read past Board
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387 minutes and figure out what's REALLY going on and where the money's REALLY
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388 going. And maybe we could also require the unions to reveal some same such
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389 information too. IF this bill PASSES, it could be an opportunity to impact the
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390 public in such a way as to eliminate the PROPER waste then propagate a desire
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391 to put the money back into a truly effective, interesting and progressive
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392 educational program. I think that threatened PPS employees and a pissed public
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393 could really make a difference ... it could generate an INTEREST in education
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394 rather than antagonism.
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395
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396 &*&*&*&*'s
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397 Nepotism? No, I am not aware of any such thing. Waste? Not that I've
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398 noticed. I work in the main admin building, and I'm for all intents and
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399 purposes a peon, as I get no benifits and work for an hourly wage. The
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400 department I work in is highly overworked, understaffed and shoved into
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401 about half the space it needs. Portland public schools is probably the
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402 best urban school district in the country. It has high test scores,
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403 a (till tommorow) stable and adequete tax base and may inovative and succesfull
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404 programs that help teachers and students alike.
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405
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406 So, whats your beef, and would you mind being specific? I'm really tired of
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407 people flaming schools, when they really have no idea about what is going
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408 on locally, or how bad things could be.
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409
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410 An Astral Dreamer
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411 &*&*&*&*'s
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412
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413
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414 AD - I really would LOVE to be more specific but I'm in the midst of sueing
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415 them right now. Just check your school directory. Compare it with a same
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416 directory from PSU's Education Department. Read the newspapers ... especially
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417 articles listing promotions, transfers, etc. I also worked at the ad bldg for
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418 a number of years and that's when I became most aware of the waste; then I
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419 worked in an administrative office at another location where things were much
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420 different and I became even more aware of the waste -- not just of bucks but
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421 the mental circus ad bldg administrators put you through. Ad bldg administra-
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422 tors are NOT in the schools ... I get the impression there interest is NOT in
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423 education but in creating an IMAGE of a world headquarters education center,
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424 not by virtue of enabling the actual educators but by constantly creating
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425 impossible SYSTEMS that LOOK GOOD and can be written about and can be
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426 EVALUATED to look wonderful, but in reality, only jerks the teacher around
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427 one more time. These SYSTEMS/PROGRAMS are then abandoned before they're even
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428 implemented. I saw over and over staff members spending months and months
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429 preparing material at the command of the board and administrators they
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430 that couldn't be implemented because, say, the material was input into the
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431 computer in such a way that it couldn't be run back off in any logical manner.
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432 (I need to take a writing class) I know of TWO instances where that happened;
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433 I'm sure there's more. I could go into great detail why all this material
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434 could not be retrieved for printing, but you probably wouldn't be interested
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435 anyway. And that's why these things happen over and over. Besides, you'd be
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436 executed for asking "why Johnny didn't learn anything but gang warfare at PPS",
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437 especially if you work where I think you do. You business is to manipulate
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438 things to make them look good.
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439
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440 I know that for a fact, too; I input and reinput and reinput various versions
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441 of these reports.
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442
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013=Usr:322 Stray Cat 11/06/90 10:08 Msg:5612 Call:31891 Lines:4
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443
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444 And, if I may be so bold as to inquire, is it YOUR department who's in charge
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445 of the computers used for student elections in the local high schools????
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446
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014=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 11/06/90 10:13 Msg:5614 Call:31892 Lines:10
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447
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448
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449 &*&*&*&*'s
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450 All I can say is that isn't my experiance in the department in which I work.
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451
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452 Of course I don't know all that much about the rest of the place.
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453
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454 An Astral Dreamer
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455 &*&*&*&*'s
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456
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015=Usr:322 Stray Cat 11/06/90 12:36 Msg:5617 Call:31895 Lines:12
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457
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458 BTW, AD, I'm talking about "textual" input, not programs. I know of one such
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459 education program that was sent to be typed for publication, was published
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460 in the form of maybe 15 different "booklets" of varying length then printed by
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461 the hundreds. When it came time to revise the DOCUMENT part, the computer
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462 input on it was so fragmented into pieces (due to working on a page-count
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463 basis) that it could never be put back together again. After implementing it
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464 in several schools, the whole program was quickly dropped. The garbage bill
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465 to dump the "booklets" must have been astronomical ... to say nothing of the
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466 frustration felt by the people who were forced to work on the whole thing for
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467 months upon months in the first place.
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468
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016=Usr:322 Stray Cat 11/06/90 16:32 Msg:5618 Call:31898 Lines:30
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469
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470 And this is not too different from being forced to use WordStar rather than
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471 WordPerfect. I have a letter from Bob Williams stating that WordStar was
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472 the ONLY system User Services would support districtwide, saying they had
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473 researched it extensively. At the time, WordStar cost three times what a
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474 state of the art program would have cost. As if that wasn't horrible in
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475 itself, WordStar didn't support subdirectories at the time ... and we had
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476 just obtained hard disks. Because I asked the difference between "back up"
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477 and "copy" DOS functions and being told to take a beginning DOS class even
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478 though I'd been using a computer and WordStar for two years and having my
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479 supervisor called and told I was being a smartass and ended up having to
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480 WRITE my requests to user services, I also have documentation of their
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481 interpretation or effective computer use. I also have written documenta-
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482 tions of my complaints AT THAT TIME to yet another department who was
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483 doing an "effectiveness/reorganization" study of my department at the
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484 time. Not only did we originaly pay $350 for the dated word processing
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485 program, but $99 each for two subsequent and progressively worse updates.
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486 Now four years later, after secretaries were given no options in the
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487 beginning and were FORCED to use WordStar and have four years of work
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488 on that program are, according to a source I heard talking in my union
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489 office, going to be forced to use WordPerfect EXCLUSIVELY now. Unfair to
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490 secretaries who have little time for learning ANY computer program in the
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491 first place but outrageous in terms of expense ... new program, new
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492 training, conversion of documents, etc. But conversions is going to be
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493 difficult because you had to constantly "re-invent" WordStar because it
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494 did so little for you. It's hard enough to transfer WOrdStar documents
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495 from one person to the next because everybody invented their own tricks, but
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496 I would imagine it's going to be nearly impossible to convert current docu-
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497 ments to a different program.
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498
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017=Usr:322 Stray Cat 11/06/90 18:26 Msg:5619 Call:31900 Lines:15
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499
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500 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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501
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502 Well, you heard it folks. Bill Garbet <author of the infamous letter in
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503 the Willamette Week encouraging other district to hire the head of the
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504 Oregonian's niece, who would in turn be "in debted for life"> on TV stating
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505 85% of the school district budget is used for teacher salaries. Guess
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506 where they're gonna make the cuts ... and it will probably be the teachers
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507 that may have ever registered a complaint about the tyrrany. Didn't
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508 mention layers of bureaucracy such as the DOI offices or different off-
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509 shoots of the Personnel Department, like Employee Relations ... another
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510 charmer. His son's the one who wants to "gentrify" NW Portland who was
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511 handed a last-minute reprieve from some city bureaus but got his condos
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512 burned down by the outraged community anyway.
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513
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018=Usr:322 Stray Cat 11/07/90 06:59 Msg:5620 Call:31909 Lines:6
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514
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515 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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516
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517 And on Channel 12, Prophet said he'd be sending pink slips to teachers this
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518 spring.
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519
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019=Usr:322 Stray Cat 11/07/90 10:33 Msg:5624 Call:31913 Lines:4
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520
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521 When you're able to write out your own report card, there might be a tendency
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522 to grade yourself overly high. What ever happened to Porter Sexton anyway?
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523
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020=Usr:322 Stray Cat 11/07/90 11:50 Msg:5625 Call:31915 Lines:8
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524
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525 ?+?+?+?+?+++?+?+?+?+?+?++++
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526
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527 Why is the school board mostly lawyers???? How long has someone from the
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528 Rieke family served anyway???
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529
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530 ?++?++?++?++?+++?++?++?+++?+++?+++?
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531
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021=Usr:322 Stray Cat 11/08/90 11:23 Msg:5628 Call:31937 Lines:16
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532 As Dan Quayle recently said, "A mind is a terrible thing to lose." Do you
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533 suppose 12 yrs of the indoctrination system that **IS** PPS (in most cases)
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534 has any relevance to the new study just released regarding the high child
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535 abuse and toddler mortality rates in the area????
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536
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537
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538 ???+???+???+???+???+???++++????++++????++++
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539
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540 I hope everybody reads Phil Stanford's column today and responds with their
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541 tales of woe ... especially those of you with UNION stories. They SHOULD be
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542 sued, and sued in a huge group move. I could probably get **MILLIONS** for
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543 what they put ME through. I'd rather vent my anger first, however.
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544
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545 Be sure to send a copy of your complaints to Jonathan what's his ... Plagariast
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546 Jon ... Whatever's Cool Jon. Lowest Common Denominator of the Upper Ilk Jon.
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547
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022=Usr:322 Stray Cat 11/08/90 11:58 Msg:5629 Call:31939 Lines:8
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548
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549 Here's one ... When the union was "working" on a case for my, my rep suggested
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550 that maybe she could drop her son off at my house every morning during the
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551 summer and I could pay him for doing my yardwork. She said a woman she had
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552 been "helping" the previous summer had done precisely that ... and the woman
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553 paid him really well, she said. That woman might want to write Phil Stanford
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554 ... and gee, I hope you didn't FLOAT at your trial by water.
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555
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023=Usr:417 Chemo Sabe 11/08/90 19:02 Msg:5631 Call:31949 Lines:8
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556
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557 (*)^(*) (*)^(*) (*)^(*) (*)^(*) (*)^(*)
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558
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559 Anybody have any information on PFT-CE and the problem at Tubman some
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560 years ago. Please leave mail for Chemo Sabe #417.
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561
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562 (*)^(*)--(*)^(*)--(*)^(*)--(*)^(*)--(*)^(*)--(*)^(*)
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563
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024=Usr:417 Chemo Sabe 11/09/90 08:02 Msg:5634 Call:31961 Lines:21
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564
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565 Let's hope the scientific research being done on PPS students is more
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566 valid that the research scientists did on thalidomide. Seems like the
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567 results of such methodology could be just as damaging. Why isn't this
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568 being done on a private research grant anyway? And how many school
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569 districts would allow or could AFFORD the time and resources for such
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570 studies, even if MOST of it was paid for by a private grant. This takes
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571
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572 alot of teacher time and creates alot of frustration. Aren't many of the
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573 costs for this program hidden anyway ... like the computers in the schools
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574 used for this project, or the committees of teachers that are hired to
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575 write test questions. Isn't this hidden in, say, the Curriculum budget???
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576 The costs of this experiment might be astonomical, and the root assumption
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577 at the bottom of it might be totally wrong! Isn't that POSSIBLE??
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578
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579 Couldn't this project be totally eliminated from the PPS school budget and
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580 maybe handled more efficiently/effectively at the statewide level. Wouldn't
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581 that give teachers more leeway in how they conduct their classes. Don't you
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582 down deep think teachers may have a better idea of where a student is coming
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583 from that a computer profile???
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584
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025=Usr:423 DB Cooper 11/09/90 11:31 Msg:5639 Call:31965 Lines:11
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585
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586 Another thing your program doesn't access is PRINCIPAL effectivness! I've
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587 transcribed for a principal who couldn't compose a complete sentence. When
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588 I requested hard copy instead I found he counldn't compose on paper either ...
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589 nor could he spell. I was shocked, to say the least, but I subsequently
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590 found that he also had a personality/personnel problem ... one included an
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591 entire community. A couple of years later and working in another position,
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592 I coincidentally found out another person had serious problems with the
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593 same principal, who is STILL a PPS principal and who is probably STILL creating
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594 problems.
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595
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026=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 11/09/90 22:08 Msg:5641 Call:31975 Lines:24
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596 &*&*&*&*'s
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597 I don't have all of the answers. True wisdom involves understanding ones
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598 limitations. The world is not perfect. I work hard in my little corner
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599 of it to make it the best place that I can for everybody. I've been
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600 known to annoy people while doing this. The only reason annoying people
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601 bothers me is that I believe it tends to limit my effectivness.
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602
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603 Any large organization is going to have some bad eggs. The real crime here
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604 is the fact that these bad eggs are not easily eliminated.
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605
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606 A side note on the subject of spelling. I've strugled my entire life to
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607 gain the very limited proficiency you see here. I am not stupid, nor
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608 have I failed because of a lack of trying. Spelling just doesn't seem to
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609 be a something I learn easily. Should I be relagated to garbage collection
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610 because of this? Putting people down because of an inability to spell is
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611 not cool in my book. Especially when there were many other far better
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612 reasons listed in your post to attest to the principles inability to
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613 do their job.
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614
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615 An Astral Dreamer (God, will I ever change anybodys mind on anything?)
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616 &*&*&*&*'s (I'm tired of learning from others, when they don't wish to learn
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617 from me.)
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618
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619
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620
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621 *********************************
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622
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623 IT IS DANGEROUS TO READ NEWSPAPERS
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624
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625 While I was building neat
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626 castles in the sandbox,
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627 the hasty pits were
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628 filling with bulldozed corpses
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629
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630 and as I walked to school
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631 washed and combed, my feet
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632 stepping on the cracks in the cement
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633 detonated red bombs.
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634
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635 Now I am grownup
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636 and literate, and I sit in my chair
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637 as quietly as a fuse
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638
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639 and the jungles are flaming, the under-
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640 brush is charged with soldiers,
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641 the names on the difficult
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642 maps go up in smoke.
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643
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644 I am the cause, I am a stockpile of chemical
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645 toys, my body
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646 is a deadly gadget,
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647 I reach out in love, my hands are guns,
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648 my good intentions are completely lethal.
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649
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650 Even my
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651 passive eyes transmute
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652 everything I look at to the pocked
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653 black and white of a war photo,
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654 how can I stop myself
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655
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656 It is dangerous to read newspapers.
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657
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658 Each time I hit a key
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659 on my electric typewriter,
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660 speaking of peaceful trees
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661
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662 another village explodes.
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663
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664 By Margaret Atwood
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665 From THE ANIMALS IN THAT COUNTRY,
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666 1968
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667
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668 *****************************************8
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028=Usr:316 scott wirth 11/10/90 21:12 Msg:5644 Call:31995 Lines:6
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669 ???????????????????????????Sir Osis of Liver?????????????????????????
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670 Dammit. I hate twits........ perfectly good space wasted by someone too damn
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671 stupid to think of doing anything else other than ruining things and being
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672 destructive. Shoot the Twits!
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673 ???????????????????????????Sir Osis of Liver?????????????????????????
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674
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029=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 11/10/90 22:14 Msg:5645 Call:32001 Lines:7
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675 &*&*&*&*'s
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676 Twits are single celled creatures. Shoting them only cuases them to divide,
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677 thus doubling their numbers. :-)
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678
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679 An Astral Dreamer
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680 &*&*&*&*'s
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681
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030=Usr:165 Bart Simpson 11/10/90 22:57 Msg:5646 Call:32003 Lines:5
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682 NOT ALL twits are single celled creatures. Some look like intelligent
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683 thinking human beings. Any many seem to gravitate to jobs as elected officials
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684 in high offices such as Vice President. Some are even appointed as Chief of
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685 Staff to the President.
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686
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031=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 11/11/90 02:25 Msg:5647 Call:32006 Lines:5
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687
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688 And others reproduce newspaper articles here on backwater with complete
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689 disregard for copyright issues and backwater users. Often these reproductions
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690 are imperfect, adding the the audacity and stupidity of the uploadee.
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691
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032=Usr:165 Bart Simpson 11/11/90 07:43 Msg:5648 Call:32008 Lines:16
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692 I guess you feel that 555 entered 150 times on 150 is much more intelligent.
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693 How do YOU know that someone doesn't hold the copyright on that number?
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694 But then some people only want to read what they already believe/know. THey
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695 feel threatened when someone is trying to open their minds and present some
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696 evidence that the system, and those in charge of the system are not working
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697 properly. Copyrights are violated everyday. What about the person who is
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698 continually quoting anyone other than themselves? They are violating it as
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699 much as one posting supposed newspaper articles. Everytime you tape something
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700 off the radio, or off a record or CD that you BOUGHT, you are violating the
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701 copyright laws. So get off your high horse. At least the alleged newspaper
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702 articles have substance to read, they`re not just taking up space to fill the
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703 disk.
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704
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705 (where is THINGFISH when
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706 he's needed?)
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707
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709 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
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710 ]
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711 Yeah, Thingfish, we need some humor!!! Please post.
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712
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713 But back to being a twit now. Let's get back to Testing and Evaluation (not
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714 to include Research and Development BTW). Does your "program" track the
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715 effect of changing principals (and thereby half the school administration ...
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716 don't they often take their own "staffs" with them) every two to four years on
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717 teachers, teaching programs, or student learning??? Especially when each
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718 principal has his own "rules" and ways of processing the piles of bureaucratic
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719 paperwork? And ESPECIALLY since there is NO WRITTEN MATERIAL on how this is
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720 SUPPOSED to be done .... Remember the MARSHALL THE MUSIC TEACHER article in the
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721 paper ... when the music teacher went to counseling because he felt so strung
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722 out all the time???? Said he often visted up to four different schools a day.
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723 And the counselor (probably our **EMPLOYER'S** ASSISTANCE PROGRAM) told it
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724 him it was because his dad was a rage-aholic. Now I've gone up to the EAP
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725 for YEARS complaining about the way things are, thinking they'd figure out
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726 there was some common problem that need to be dealt with within the District.
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727 I was often VERY SPECIFIC about what I was experiencing. I was repeatedly
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728 told there was NOTHING YOU COULD DO ABOUT IT ... THE DISTRICT IS SOOOOO RICH
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729@AND HAS SOO MANY LAWYERS, it was unwise to stand up for your rights. They
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730@said I'd do better doing fire watch in the woods. When I was REALLY at my
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731@recommended I do fire watch in the woods, but I told 'em I was scared of
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732@enhancement program, they said their didn't offer help in that area. When I
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733@in and put in a career development program
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734@
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735 AND HAS SOOOOOO MANY LAWYERS, it was unwise to "make waves" (stand up for your
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736 rights). He recommended I do "firewatch" instead ... never even asking if I
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737 was scared of spiders or anything. But then when I got in real trouble,
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738 Personnel insisted I go to EAP for counseling. After the five free sessions,
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739 I got further counseling through my health plan (NOT easy to do with Good
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740 Health Plan folks, BEWARE!!!). THAT counselor AGREED with much of what I
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741 was saying and wrote my union to transfer me out of the situation ASAP and to
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742 put me in a career enhancement program. Because my yearly benefits ran out, he
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743 then transferred me back to the EAP, who was to act as a liaison between the
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744 dept @ PPS and the union in setting up such a program. EAP stated they were
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745 UNABLE to help. When I explained what was going on and stated I felt like a
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746 battered woman, I was told NOT to make another appt. He did, however, insist
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747 I sign a RELEASE, which I did feeling he was somehow still obligated and
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748 **WILLING** to help. I was fired nine months later though. No help ever
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749 arrived!! I think go
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034=Usr:417 Chemo Sabe 11/11/90 09:47 Msg:5650 Call:32010 Lines:26
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750 ????????????????????????
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751
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752 Don't tell me PPS classified employees when through Ballot Measure 5 without
|
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753 a contract?????? I read in the Sept-Oct FEDERATION NEWS (in a most confusing
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754 paragraph I might add, but here let me quote...) In another Local 111 matter,
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755 negotiations have a new contract with Portland Schools have resulted in
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756 tentative agreements in all areas but two, REDUCTION IN FORCE (???? - geesh!
|
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757 you GOTTA be kidding) and wages. Are they making morons of everybody or
|
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758 WHAT????? Then Randi Post goes on to say that employees have "turned around"
|
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759 from previous years when they were AFRAID to take a strong stand .... "Our
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760 members are saying, 'Hey, I'm not just a secretary. I'm important and I
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761 deserve respect." Have you ever read their contract. Until you've been
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762 through the system with the union and the district, you won't believe how
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763 SILLY it really is. It's all in bureaucratese except the section on dismissal.
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764
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765 If ever I was shown a lack of respect, it was by my union. OFT President,
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766 Randy Schwartz, actually said to me (as a reason for recommending I resign),
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767 "Oregon employers can ask you do anything short of jumping out a window,"
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768 which in effect says I have no rights. I thought I was paying THEM $15 (or
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769 more) a month to make sure I did.
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770
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771 It shall be interesting to see how things turn out. SECRETARIES BEWARE!!!!
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772 I think you've been duped by this organization one more time. You'd think
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773 they learned for the last vote that they was tremendous displeasure in the
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774 way they were conducting their business. They only won by 12 VOTES.
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775
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776 &*&*&*&*'s
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777 I assume that since school by school scores are kept track of, that there is
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778 in fact a way to look at how well a principle is doing, especially if they
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779 have been with several schools.
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780
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781 This has been interesting, if confusing reading. (BORDERS PLEASE!)
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782
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783 An Astral Dreamer
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784 &*&*&*&*'s
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785
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036=Usr:322 Stray Cat 11/12/90 09:23 Msg:5653 Call:32033 Lines:8
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786 !!!???!!!???!!!???!!!???!!!???!!!???
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787
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788 Good grief ... I can't believe it. PPS classified employees DIDN'T have
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789 a contract. They're paying that union over a QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS a
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790 year. What the @)(*&$@#&)* do they DO with it?????????
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791
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792 !!!???!!!???!!!???!!!???!!!???!!!???!!!???!!!???!!
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793
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037=Usr:322 Stray Cat 11/12/90 12:01 Msg:5655 Call:32035 Lines:25
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794 ???????????????????????????????????????????????????
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795
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796 Sorry about the typos and resulting confusion, AD. I was kinda thinking
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797 on paper at the time. After rereading the FEDERATION NEWS and wondering
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798 at the irony of it all, kinda chuckling about all the double meanings of
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799 the "talking heads", I was overwhelmed with curiosity whether they had
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800 gotten out a contract to cover employees in case of the massive layoff
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801 Dr. Prophet had promised, and totally frustrated because it was a school
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802 holiday and I couldn't call and find out! I did call the PFT, OFT, and AFT
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803 offices but they were, OF COURSE, all closed too. Therefore, I had to wait
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804 until this morning to find out. Of course, the union offices still didn't
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805 answer their phones, but I did talk to someone in Personnel, who sheepishly
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806 answered the question for me. I really couldn't imagine they wouldn't have
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807 provided a contract in time. This editor is extremely primitive anyway ...
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808 either that or I haven't taken the time to read the directions <grin>. Any-
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809 way it's not like this is being PUBLISHED and sent all over the country or
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810 anything. I **WILL** try to be more careful though.
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811
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812 ***************************************
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813
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814 I was gonna enter a poem but there's not enough lines left ... oh well.
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815 See ya!
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816
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817 ***************************************
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818
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038=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 11/12/90 22:16 Msg:5657 Call:32042 Lines:12
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819 &*&*&*&*'s
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820 Don't let the instructions fool you. There is no real editing here. :-)
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821
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822 Might as well finish the disk off. Hmm, got a few lines to go.
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823
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824 This is harder then it looked.
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825
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826 Ah, only five lines left!
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827
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828 AT THE BOTTOM!
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829 An Astral Dreamer
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830 &*&*&*&*'s
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831 &*&*&*&*'s
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832 Oh NO! now I look dumb. :-)
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833
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834 An Astral Dreamer
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835 &*&*&*&*'s
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836
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837 696969696969
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838 MEDIA AND POLITICS TODAY
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839 Source:Peacenet
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840 igc:peacenet
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841 pn.announcemen 2:04 pm Nov 2, 1990
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842
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843 Subject: MEDIA AND POLITICS TODAY
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844
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845 From wnperry Thu Nov 1 17:47 PST 1990
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846 To: peacenet
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847 Subject: announcements: THE GREAT DEBATE
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848 Status: RO
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849
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850 THE GREAT DEBATE!
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851
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852 Time is running out until Americans elect their politicians and
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853 our leaders elect either to continue peace or to go to war. We all
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854 know how much time is left for the political campaigns. Who knows,
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855 however, how much time is left to reach agreement on a nonviolent
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856 solution to the Middle East crisis? We fear time is rapidly running
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857 out on both.
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858
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859 Our national political scene is more highly charged than usual.
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860 Voter dissatisfaction with the performance of elected representatives
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861 is palpable. What is our justification? Is it the deficit? Is it
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862 taxes? Is it the S & L fiasco? Is it social benefits? Or is it war
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863 or peace?
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864
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865 The democratic way provides for the removal from office of elect-
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866 ed officials who fail to perform the way people want. Not in our
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867 lifetimes has there been more widespread dissatisfaction with
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868 incumbents. Yet, according to Kipplinger's News Letter, the incum-
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869 bents are good bets to be reelected. How come? While everybody
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870 wants "to throw the bums out," they generally mean y_o_u_r_ bum, not
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871 theirs.
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872
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873 It is curious- no very sad- that we are unaware of anyone cam-
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874 paigning on a Middle East peace platform. What issue could conceiv-
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875 ably be of more contemporary interest and importance? What happens
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876 in the Middle East is certain to condition what can happen on the
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877 domestic front, not to mention to the rest of the world.
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878
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879 Yet, peace or war is not a significant political issue in America
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880 today. Could the concern for it becoming an election issue have been
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881 a reason for the relatively low key concern of the administration for
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882 American hostages until very recently?
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883
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884 On the international political scene, things are very chancy.
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885 Peace or war decisions rest precariously on the judgement of very
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886 few. Are our leaders congruent with the views and desires of our
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887 people? Do the hostile expressions and threats of our President
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888 reflect the attitudes of our people? Do our leaders really think and
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889 believe that they know what's best for America and Americans? Who
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890 among you is sure?
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891
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892 While we probably will endure the consequences of the upcoming
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893 election, there are at this time uncountable humans, some American
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894 and others not, who will not survive a Middle East war. War, which
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895 allegedly doesn't work anymore, seems almost certain to happen soon
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896 as things now stand.
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897
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898 Unless...... unless we, who have the patience for peace, come to
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899 realize the likelihood, if things are left as they are, it won't be
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900 the likes of us who will determine what happens. Things probably
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901 will be decided by those with the shorter, not the longer fuses.
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902
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903 Acknowledging that is only the first step. The second is to
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904 accommodate our action to this reality.
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905
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906 It is too late to inject war or peace into the election dialogues
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907 (In retrospect, we missed that boat). Prayerfully, it is not too
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908 late to establish war or peace as the issue it deserves to be for
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909 nationwide dialogue. As a stand alone issue, it could have apprecia-
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910 ble impact!
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911
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912 Twenty-four hours ago, the idea of a nationally televised debate
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913 on the merits of peace vs war was mentioned by Ted Koppel on
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914 Nightline. It struck us as a great idea! Earlier today, in the
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915 course of failed attempts to talk personally to Mr. Koppel and Ted
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916 Turner, among others, we learned that the idea apparently did not
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917 originate with Mr. Koppel. The idea has a multifocal origin. That's
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918 terrific!
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919
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920 A very courteous and sensitive spokeperson for Mr. Turner respond-
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921 ed with three comments:
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922
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923 1. Our call certainly was not the first. There is interest
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924 out there for such a event.
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925
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926 2. Mr. Turner feels that by having ongoing interviews with
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927 various experts on both sides, CNN is already contributing
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928 to the national dialogue.
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929
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930 3. That Mr. Ed Turner (no relation), Vice President in
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931 charge of newsgathering for CNN, is in charge of responding
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932 to call such as ours.
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933
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934 National debate could take at least two forms: one that occurs
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935 in Congress between elected representatives; the other on network
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936 television between principals. Mr. Bush has been said to oppose
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937 both. A Congressional Debate is apparently viewed as having the
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938 potential of taking away from the President the element of surprise
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939 should he elect to attack Iraq. A network debate would ultimately
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940 contribute public opinion, which Mr. Bush has been quoted as saying
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941 he can't let influence him. (He can't lead effectively if his deci-
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942 sions are subjected to public replay and review.)
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943
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944 We believe that such attitudes on the part of the administration
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945 are big parts of the problem.
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946
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947 Getting the issue of war versus peace center stage now seems very
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948 important. What other way is there for our leaders to learn the
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949 direction of where we Americans wish to be led. What better way is
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950 there for us quickly to influence our political leaders than through
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951 mass education and the generation of consolidated public opinion?
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952
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953 What we really need is a national referendum on war versus
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954 peace. While the debate vehicle is not a referendum, what else is
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955 available in the short term?
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956
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957 Without having the time or benefit of thinking the whole matter
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958 through, we believe it useful to:
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959
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960 1. Seek the production of a first class nationally televised
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961 debate on the virtues of War versus Peace in the Middle
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962 East.... ASAP.
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963
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964 2. Establish at the same time a mechanism by which to mea-
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965 sure public opinion concerning this issue.
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966
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967 3. Establish a vehicle whereby political response to public
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968 opinion could be evaluated and be made widely known.
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969
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970 There has to be people out there with the connections necessary
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971 to facilitate the accomplishment of such objectives quickly. There
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972 also is power out there if as many of you as possible make similar
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973 calls. Please involve yourselves. Please call:
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974
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975 * Ted Koppel's office: (202) 887-xxxx
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976
|
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977 * Ed Turner (CNN): (404) 827-xxxx
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978
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979 * CBS: (212) 975-xxxx NBC: (212) 664-xxxx ABC: (212)
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980 456-xxxx
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981 Nancy and Will Perry
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982
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983 696969696969696969
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984
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985 &*&*&*&*'s
|
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986 Well, We're near the end of the disk again.
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987
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988 Twin Peaks was a fairly dark show to begin with, an its only gotten worse
|
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989 these last couple of weeks. I'm just not sure how much longer I can hold
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990 out in terms of being able to stand it. I just hope cooper figures out
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991 who bob is soon. Otherwise, Donna~r and james might find themselves
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992 in a big bunch of trouble RSN.
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993
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994 Well, there can't be more then six or so lines left, so I guess I'll finish
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995 this disk of for real this time.
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996
|
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997 At the Bottom (Really!)
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998 An Astral Dreamer
|
|
999 &*&*&*&*'s
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