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001=Usr:0 Null User 06/30/87 20:34 Msg:0 Call:0 Lines:19
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1$If you are in need of help, you need but ask...
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2$************************* INSTALLED: 8 SEP 89 ****************************
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3$Welcome to BWMS II (BackWater Message System II) Mike Day System operator
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4$**************************************************************************
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5$GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS II IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION
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6$ PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM.
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7$BWMS II was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS II is a privately
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8$owned and operated system which is currently open for use by the general
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9$public. No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the
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10$system is privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all
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11$messages which I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the
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12$system, it will be periodically purged of messages (only 999 lines of data
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13$can be saved). To leave a message, type 'ENTER'. Use ctrl/C to get out
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14$the ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering
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15$the message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to
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16$replace the line. To exit from the system, type 'BYE' then hang up.
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17$Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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18$**************************************************************************
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19$
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002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 09/08/89 18:08 Msg:4324 Call:23820 Lines:5
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20 Admitting error clears the score and proves you wiser than before.
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21 Arthur Guiterman
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22 ********************* Disk #100.5 *************************************
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23 Some say the end is near. I say that it is only the beginning.
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24 ***********************************************************************
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003=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 09/08/89 19:23 Msg:4325 Call:23823 Lines:5
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25 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
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26 After FIVE years of modeming, at last, on the TOP!
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27 Friar: WWhat condition is the story in? After a week, no new entries... Have
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28 we reached a creative dry spell? An update would be MOST helpful right now!
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29 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==Zephyr::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
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004=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 09/08/89 19:48 Msg:4326 Call:23824 Lines:12
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30 ------------------====================--------------------==============-------
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31 So in other words, you would like to keep getting one-sided news stories with
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32 inane side comments and attaboys for left-wing pantywaists. I see. Hmmm, just
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33 a sec while I try to find a bucket of sand to loan you. Aw heck, you can have
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34 it!
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35
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36 As for easily defeated logs, what are you doing defeating logs, anyway? Did
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37 the logs ask you to defeat them? Exactly what did they ever do to you to
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38 deserve this defeating treatment you are giving them. Geez, what a bully.
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39 Next time, pick on someone your own size, like the CIA's new ultra-secret
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40 NIFTY computer generated code. Heh heh.
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41 ======================---------------============Charitable===========---------
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005=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/08/89 22:25 Msg:4327 Call:23830 Lines:11
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42 &*&*&*&*'s
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43 Sure its lopsided, I don't know of any media that isn't. The media tends to
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44 serve itself more then anybody else. Don't think I buy everything I read,
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45 and taking an extreme view you could view these news stories as fiction.
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46 Albeit not very origional.
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48 Oh well, time I took these scattered brain cells to bed.
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49
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50 An Astral Dreamer
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51 &*&*&*&*'s
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006=Usr:379 Phoenix Polymorp 09/08/89 22:38 Msg:4328 Call:23831 Lines:18
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53 THIS IS WORLD WATCH THREE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>08-SEP-89
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54 Contrary to popular belief, the Ultimate answer to life, the universe and every
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55 thing is NOT 42. It is, infact, maybe. We have no proof of this, however; no
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56 one has been able to disputet it.
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57
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58 Maybe is a more logical answer than 42. For instance- Does it matter, cosmicly
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59 speaking, that I go to work? 42, Does that fit? Does it make sense? No!
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60
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61 Try this- If everybody ignores the law of gravity, would apples fall up? 42?
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62 What?
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64 In both cases, maybe fits much better than 42. Our apologies to Deep Thought,
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65 but; nice try.
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67 For Thought For The Disk, I'm Phoenix Polymorph.
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69 WWIII>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NW0
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70 ---------------------------
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007=Usr:286 Jeff Marten 09/08/89 23:33 Msg:4329 Call:23834 Lines:36
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71
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73 {+}{+}{+}{+}
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75 The News Junkie Says:
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77 One thing you gotta say about George Bush's
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78 War On Drugs so far...
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79 it sure put a stop to The Iranian Hostage Crisis.
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81 Tammy Faye had a great quote the other day, in reference to
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82 Jim having to "bend over in front of all those men" for his
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83 daily strip search :
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84
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85 "This should not be allowed in the United States of America."
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86 Well, shucks.
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87 There are a lot of things that shouldn't be allowed, Tammy...
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88 THAT'S WHY JIM IS ON TRIAL
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89
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90 Another fine quote :
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91 NBC News Anchorbabe Deborah Norville, talking about one of
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92 the teen female heinous crime perpetrators she interviewed
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93 for the critically loathed and highly rated NBC News Special
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94 { "Bad Girls" :
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96 "And she was really pretty,too....she could have been a
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97 model."
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98 OR A NETWORK NEWS ANCHOR
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101 -+|[ ThingFish ]|+-
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102 That's The News And I Am Outta Here
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008=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 09/09/89 12:51 Msg:4330 Call:23844 Lines:64
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107 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
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108 >But what both Friar and I have been saying is that *statements* may be true,
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109 > false, or anything inbetween. Your example above will do quite well:
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110 > "water boils". The statement may be true or it may be false. But it requires
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111 > information not present in the statement OR IN THE RULES OF DISCOURSE to
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112 > determine which.
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113
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114 Of course. A collection of glyphs can have no logical value unless
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115 they are assigned a meaning, but that meaning is (in my view) within
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116 the realm of fact and therefore subject to strict truth or falsehood.
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117 Sure I have to know what "water" is and what "boil" means before I can
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118 logically evaluate the sentence, and I'll have to have some sort of
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119 evidence in order to come to a conclusion, but in the end water either
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120 boils (under *some* set of conditions) or it does not. All I'm saying
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121 is that the *meaning* of a statement must be true or false. I hope
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122 you didn't think me so foolish as to think that English statements
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123 somehow had value separate from their meanings.
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124 I'm not saying you can't make a statement that you're unsure about
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125 (and could therefore call "probably true") or that you can't make a
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126 more accurate statement (closer to the Truth) and call it "truer"
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127 than another statement, but in the absolute sense a statement's
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128 meaning is always either true or false.
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129
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130 > That Is why I said it is almost impossible to make a true
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131 > statement about reality.
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132 > The statement must be able to stand on it's own.
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134 If you mean that the statement must stand alone without its meaning,
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135 I agree completely with your conclusion. It is already divorced
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136 from reality, therefore it can have no correlation with it. It is,
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137 however, very easy to make a statement whose meaning is true - just
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138 make a statement and it's complement - one and only one meaning can
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139 be true. If you wish to make the distinction, I'll concede that a
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140 sentence, stripped of its meaning, cannot be logically evaluated,
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141 but once a meaning has been assigned (through the rules of the
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142 language, etc.), that meaning must have a truth value or be
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143 paradoxical.
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144
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145 >Likewise, "This sentence is false" can't be a paradox, because the only means
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146 >of parsing it that will even give it the appearance of one is English. English
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147 >st a "formal system". Thus it can't have paradoxes...
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148
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149 Sure, "This sentence is false." makes a great English sentence. It
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150 has a subject, a verb, etc.. One can apply the laws of English to
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151 it and come up with a meaning. However, if one applies logic to
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152 that meaning, one will discover that it is nonsensical. I fused
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153 the two steps in earlier discussions because we were discussing
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154 facts, not language (perhaps I should not have).
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155 Hmmm, differentiating the steps does bring into account
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156 another level of abstraction, and this *could* make the sentence
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157 non-self-referential since the *sentence* would fall under the
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158 category of English, while the *meaning* of the sentence would
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159 be in the realm of logic. False wouldn't be a terribly applicable
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160 adjective to an English sentence, but I see where you might
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161 conclude that the sentence is not about its meaning. This would
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162 be a nice convention for self-referentials (doesn't really apply
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163 anything else) if it is consistent with the rest of the language.
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164 Is this what you meant? This makes sense to me.
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165
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166 "If I had a mine shaft, I don't think I would just abandon it. _
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167 There's got to be a better way." /#)
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168 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/
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169 / ~~~ ~~~ \/
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170 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
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009=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 09/09/89 23:14 Msg:4331 Call:23854 Lines:6
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171 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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172 I promise. A story entry some time before Monday
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173 is over. Lots Happening right now.
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174 [][][][][][][][] Friar [][][][][][][][][][][]
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175 PS Milch- 2 file boxes so far, through 1985.
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176 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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010=Usr:4 Milchar 09/10/89 01:19 Msg:4332 Call:23858 Lines:6
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177 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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178 Friar: Let me know how the print head on your printer holds up.
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179 It seems to me that printer manufacturers could use the BWMS archives
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180 as a print test. "Our printers are tough- three archives later, they
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181 still are going strong!" :-)
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182 ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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011=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 09/10/89 11:51 Msg:4333 Call:23864 Lines:5
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183 A survey of hotel bills from last year's National Religious Broadcasters
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184 Association convention found that 80% of them watched an X-rated movie
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185 in the privacy of their rooms. Just doing a little research on the enemy,
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186 we suppose.
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187 *************************** CM *****************************************
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012=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/10/89 18:08 Msg:4334 Call:23873 Lines:17
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188 &*&*&*&*'s
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189 Not much happening here today.
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190
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191 I went on an album buying sprey last weekend. (BTW swob, how are your
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192 aquisitions?) Boght three of the B52's albums, Dire straights Making movies
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193 and They Might be Giants first Album. Not a dud in the bunch. I especially
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194 like a line from on of the TMBG's song. 'Life is just a mood ring we're
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195 not allowed to see.`
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196
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197 Fun stuff and well worth the money. And barring theft I'll be able to enjoy
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198 them for years, as I long ago gave up vinyle. It really is nice to be
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199 able to get the alternate groups in a more lasting format.
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201 An Astral Dreamer (Who has trouble finding people to listen to some of the
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202 stuff he buys.)
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203 &*&*&*&*'s
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204
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013=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/10/89 18:27 Msg:4335 Call:23875 Lines:4
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206 I don't think sysops should be allowed to take vacations or get new girl-
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207 friends ...
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208
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014=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 09/10/89 20:18 Msg:4336 Call:23876 Lines:1
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209 or have computers that don't work.... ;-9
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015=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/11/89 15:47 Msg:4337 Call:23887 Lines:2
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210 WorkLurk.
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211
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016=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 09/11/89 17:01 Msg:4338 Call:23888 Lines:21
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213 Friar: Okay then, I guess it would be for the best if I gave you a little
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214 update on what is going on, since I think the disk that contained my last
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215 literary entry was on scrolled away into the inky blackness of he Archives.
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216 As we have it now, Friar is on the road, following the girl, with the two
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217 strangers from the Inn far behind him.
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218 Then the Cloaked Man appears, states that Friar is responsible for "crimes
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219 against his world" and points a thin strip of steel that appears to be a
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220 bent coat hanger at his intended target, citing his responsibility as "the
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221 Judge, the One who Decides, and the One Who Carries Out."
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222 Brief Description Run-Down: The Cloaked Man is, of course, cloaked in a blue,
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223 sparkling shroud, with gold fasteners. His voice carries a metallic tint, and
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224 his eyes appear misted over. What would appear to be electrical energy courses
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225 around him. He appeared to Friar in two different forms. First, that of a
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226 green cloud (which conceals at first, since the sky of Pyrrix Aaaal is green)
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227 and then in the humanoid form that now confronts him. He is dressed fairly
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228 well, albiet out of place on P.A.
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229
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230 Just thought I'd let you know what your character saw. As I said, all of the
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231 above was said earlier, but I think you might have missed it.
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232 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==Zephyr::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::====
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017=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 09/12/89 10:31 Msg:4339 Call:23897 Lines:18
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233 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
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234 Astral: My acquisitions? Much like you said, not a dud in the bunch.
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235 I'm particularly pleased with the T Bone Burnett album (which
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236 I bought sound unheard), but I've learned to watch it with his
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237 stuff, since he *used* to dabble in near-country (yechh!).
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238 I especially like the line, 'I get the feeling that as soon as
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239 something appears in the paper it ceases to be true.'
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240 Oh, and the entire song that's a cliche' (You Could Look It Up)
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241 - a real kick when you listen close. Still not as good as Tonio,
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242 tho.
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243
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244 "If a kid asks you where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to
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245 tell him is, 'God is crying.' And if he asks why God is crying,
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246 another cute thing to tell him is, 'Probably because of something _
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247 *you* did." /#)
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248 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/
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249 / ~~~ ~~~ \/
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250 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
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018=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 09/12/89 12:11 Msg:4340 Call:23898 Lines:4
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251 *%()@#$*%_@#)_(@$)_(#@_)!$_)@#(%$)_^)_#^)_$(#^)_$#*^)_#()_($)_%()_#(%@)_$#(%
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252 To you B52 buyers out there - listen close to "Private Idaho", it says a lot
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253 about the socio-economic conditions of our society. Really a lot...
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254 *%@*%)_@%)_^*)_#@(^)_#@(^)_^@^ L'homme sans Parity *%_)#@%_#)@(%)_#@%)_#@(%@
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019=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/12/89 19:27 Msg:4341 Call:23909 Lines:14
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256 @)(*^!@#+@(#$&^*#_@#$+@$_*#^)!+)(+!)@#(|!#)&!^(*%#!@#_*@+#$()@_+)#^&!)@&#%
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257
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258 Why don't you just tell us ??? What's B52 and "Private Idaho" anyway??
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259 And WHERE's BigHam ... he sure is shirking his responsibilities lately. I
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260 LIVED by the BP. I don't know who people are elsewhere.
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261
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262 _^!@#+)@$(+)#!%(!#@|_)|!_#!(&@#!K!)(*#!+(@#!~%@(&^~@^(*+#_!@~(^(+~!@$_^~@
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265 And what's the deal with CBBS/NW?
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266
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267 ... not that it was THAT interesting ... just wonderin'
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020=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/12/89 19:46 Msg:4342 Call:23910 Lines:14
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269 &*&*&*&*'s
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270 As for social meaning I can`t be sure as it is a bit hard to tell what is being
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271 said on 'private idaho.' I'll have to listen awhile longer before I am sure.
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272
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273 The album it comes off of is 'Wild Planet' by the B52's. Came out in 1980.
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274 Also has some other really great tracks such as 'dirty back road' and 'strobe
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275 light.' It was their second album BTW. (Available now on CD.)
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276
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277 Does anybody know the name of their '86 album? It's the only one I need to
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278 complete my collection.
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280 An Astral Dreamer
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281 &*&*&*&*'s
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021=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 09/12/89 19:59 Msg:4343 Call:23911 Lines:57
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283 696969696969
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284 9/08/89 By PATRICK McDOWELL Associated Press Writer
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285 PARIS (AP) -- A year after radiocarbon tests found the Shroud of Turin to be
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286 only 700 years old, a participant in a shroud symposium said Friday the bright
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287 light of the Resurrection may have altered the aging process.
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288 "Many of the questions boil down to this," said Jacques Evin, an engineer at
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289 the Radiocarbon Laboratory of Lyon. "In the event of the Resurrection of Christ
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290 would there have been a sufficient burst of light to alter the process of carbo
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291 decay?"
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292 The Paris International Scientific Symposium on the Shroud of Turin gave
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293 "shroudies" -- dedicated students of what is purported to be the burial cloth o
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294 Jesus Christ -- their first chance to contest the findings issued in October
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295 1988.
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296 "It is a most unusual object and it's an object that means a lot of things t
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297 a lot of people," said Professor Michael Tite of the British Museum research
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298 laboratory at the end of the two-day gathering. "Anything you do with it is
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299 bound to cause controversy."
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300 Tite was at the heart of the debate last year. He headed one of three
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301 laboratories that said the shroud was made about 700 years ago, 13 centuries
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302 after the death of Christ. Scientific teams from the University of Arizona and
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303 University of Zurich also participated.
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304 Rather than resolving questions of the shroud's authenticity, the radiocarbo
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305 tests appear to have become a new source of argument.
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306 The 14-yard-long cloth bears a faint, yellowish negative image of the front
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307 and back of a man with thorn marks on the head, lacerations from flogging on th
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308 back and bruises on the shoulders, suggestive of accounts of Christ's
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309 crucifixion.
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310 It has been kept in Italy's Cathedral of Turin since the Middle Ages, when
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311 creation of false religious relics was widespread. The now-retired Roman
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312 Catholic cardinal there, Anastasio Ballestrero, invited scientists last year to
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313 test samples the size of postage stamps with radiocarbon dating techniques.
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314 Datings by the laboratories ranged from 1260 to 1390. Ballestrero eventually
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315 endorsed the results, but said the shroud's significance as an object of deep
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316 religious faith was unchanged.
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317 Few symposium participants contested the test results, but Evin and others
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318 questioned whether the cloth had been altered somehow to produce an inaccurate
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319 reading.
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320 Tite was skeptical of Evin's theory.
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321 "It seems to me a slight coincidence that, if there was a burst of radiation
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322 it would have been just enough to date the cloth to the 14th century," he said.
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323 Some of the 100 spectators cheered when one of their number insisted the
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324 scientists had tested a piece of the cloth near a seam that was restored in the
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325 16th or 17th century.
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326 "We do not have a pure specimen," he declared. "It was contaminated. There
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327 were threads from the 16th century extending into the main part of the shroud.
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328 think we may be dealing with a clever forger who rewove the threads."
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329 Tite said the results would have been affected only if 60-70 percent of the
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330 cloth were rewoven.
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331 John Jackson, 43, of Colorado Springs, Colo., said density measurements of
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332 the frontal image on the cloth appear to show a body was lifted through it, but
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333 he stopped well short of calling the phenomenon evidence of the Resurrection.
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334 "I don't want to get into too much speculation on the religious
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335 implications," said Jackson, who has studied the shroud for 15 years. "If the
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336 shroud is medieval, then this image was formed then.
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337 "I'm also open to the fact that if someone else can explain this image in a
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338 conventional way, then that should take priority over mine."
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339
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022=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 09/12/89 20:10 Msg:4344 Call:23912 Lines:91
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340 9/06/89 By PAUL NOWELL Associated Press Writer
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341 CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) -- A federal judge ruled Jim Bakker competent to stand
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342 trial on fraud charges Wednesday after a government psychiatrist testified the
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343 PTL founder was not going crazy when he broke down last week.
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344 Bakker's trial resumed nearly a week after he was found hiding under a couch
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345 and hallucinating in his lawyer's office last Thursday. He was sent to a federa
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346 prison in Butner for psychiatric evaluation.
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347 "For the first time in three years, the whole situation came home to him and
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348 he began to cry," Sally Johnson, chief of psychiatric services at the prison,
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349 told U.S. District Judge Robert Potter.
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350 "He is not going crazy," Ms. Johnson testified with jurors absent. "He has n
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351 hidden mental illness. The stress that he's feeling is normal. I can't rule it
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352 out that it won't happen again, but I can't rule it in either."
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353 Potter ordered Bakker released from federal marshals' custody and asked
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354 Bakker, who was brought to court in leg irons and handcuffs, to stand and answe
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355 qestions.
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356 "Do you understand what you are on trial here for?" the judge asked Bakker,
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357 who is accused of fleecing followers of his PTL ministry.
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358 "Yes sir," Bakker responded quietly.
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359 Asked if he was able to assist his lawyers, Bakker said, "I'm very tired, bu
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360 I believe I can."
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361 Bakker, 49, showed little emotion, sometimes hanging his head and staring at
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362 the floor. He wore a suit his wife, Tammy Faye, had brought him.
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363 Mrs. Bakker, who attended the hearing with other family members, has
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364 protested her husband's treatment at the federal prison hospital.
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365 "This should not be allowed in the United States of America," was her only
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366 comment as she left the courthouse.
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367 Potter, after meeting with attorneys in chambers, also denied defense
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368 lawyers' motions for a mistrial, for a continuance and for dismissal of the
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369 indictment against Bakker.
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370 Bakker, who resigned from the PTL ministry in 1987 during a sex-and-money
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371 scandal, went on trial Aug. 28 on conspiracy and fraud charges. Prosecutors sai
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372 he used nearly $4 million in ministry funds to live in high style.
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373 If convicted on all 24 counts against him, he could could receive 120 years
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374 in prison and more than $5 million in fines.
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375 After Wednesday's lunch break, former PTL Vice President Steve Nelson, who
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376 collapsed under defense cross-examination last Wednesday, resumed testifying fo
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377 the prosecution.
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378 Questioned by Assistant U.S. Attorney Jerry Miller, Nelson said he went to
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379 Bakker and Richard Dortch, another ex-PTL vice president, to express his concer
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380 over the number of "lifetime partnerships" sold at Heritage USA, the Christian
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381 retreat and amusement park created by Bakker.
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382 Prosecutors contend that Bakker oversold partnerships despite his statements
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383 on TV and in promotional literature that there was a limit. A $1,000 donation
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384 gave a partner free lodging in the 500-room hotel three nights a year.
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385 "I told them we had problems getting people in there," Nelson said. "I told
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386 them we could not sell more. ..." He said Bakker and Dortch told him to keep
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387 selling the partnerships.
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388 Dortch, indicted with Bakker, pleaded guilty to four counts of fraud and
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389 conspiracy and was sentenced to eight years in prison and a $200,000 fine.
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390 Defense attorney Harold Bender, who was questioning Nelson last week when th
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391 witness fainted, chose not to cross-examine him Wednesday. In the mistrial
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392 motion, Bender said the collapse had prejudiced the jury against Bakker.
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393 Bakker appeared more alert during Nelson's testimony. He smiled, chatted wit
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394 attorneys and reviewed documents. Mrs. Bakker did not attend the afternoon
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395 session.
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396 Court was recessed for the day around 5:30 p.m. As Bakker left the
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397 courthouse, he waved at photographers and said, "I'm glad to be out of where I
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398 was." He also said he had the flu, then got into Bender's BMW sedan and left.
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399 During the morning session, Ms. Johnson said her preliminary diagnosis of
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400 Bakker was that he had suffered a panic attack after Nelson's collapse. Nelson
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401 had testified that he had told Bakker someone could go to prison because of the
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402 ministry's financial practices.
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403 Bakker didn't come to court the next day, and lawyers told Potter he was
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404 hallucinating and hiding his head under a couch at their office.
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405 Asked if she thought Bakker had faked his emotional collapse, the doctor sai
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406 n.
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407 "It was a powerful emotional reaction and release," Ms. Johnson said. "The
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408 weight of all these things began to coalesce. ...
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409 Ms. Johnson also said Bakker suffered narcissism, or excessive
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410 self-absorption, and depression.
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411 The psychiatrist said the panic attack was not caused by Bakker's taking an
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412 anti-depressant prescribed by his private psychiatrist, but could not rule out
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413 that it had had an impact on his mental state. She also testified that Bakker
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414 had taken aspirin and is taking an antibiotic for a cold.
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415 Assistant U.S. Attorney Jerry Miller asked Ms. Johnson if she felt Bakker wa
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416 hallucinating when he left court last week.
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417 "I did not label it as hallucinatory phenomena," she replied.
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418 She said Bakker told her he hadn't felt well and that radio and television
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419 news crews gathered at the courthouse took on the form of frightening animals.
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420 She said he told her they appeared as "large ants with antennae."
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421 Ms. Johnson said Bakker insisted he hadn't lost touch with reality.
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422 "He did not lose sight that they were actually the press," she said. "It was
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423 an experience in which he was very frightened and there was a large number of
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424 people in the crowd."
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425
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426 So...who's to say what's "real news" and what's "more of the story"...or right
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427 or left for that matter. Lee Atwater was unavailable for comment on either.
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428
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429 696969696969696969
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430
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023=Usr:379 Phoenix Polymorp 09/12/89 21:36 Msg:4345 Call:23915 Lines:6
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431 This is Phoenix Polymorph. What I want to know is: What happened to the Blue
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432 Parratdt6268009
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433 Parrot?
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434 ^p
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435
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436
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024=Usr:13 voyeur 09/12/89 23:18 Msg:4346 Call:23917 Lines:15
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437 :::::::::O O:::::09/12/89::::::::::::::::::::::::::23:35:17:::::::::O O:::::::
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438 Blue Parrot - Mike took it down last weekend while taking off for a few days
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439 of vacation. When he tried to bring it back up, it wouldn't
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440 work. Last I heard he suspected a (hard disk?) power supply.
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441 No idea what the current status is. Check on Applephilia.
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442 CBBS/NW - Last week they warned that service might be interrupted while
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443 made some changes to the software. I don't think they planned
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444 to be down this long. I remember they were thinking of removing
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445 the 9600 baud modem from the board since it wasn't being utilized,
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446 and as you may recall, when they *added* the 9600 there were
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447 problems with the autobaud detect code. Maybe they're having
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448 difficulties reverting to the old code.
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449 BackWater - An oversupply of reposted news, coupled with a dearth of stories.
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450 This is the most serious BBS casualty of all...
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451 ::::::::::O O::::::::::::::::::::voyeur::::::::::::::::::::::::::O O::::::::::
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025=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/12/89 23:34 Msg:4347 Call:23918 Lines:9
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452 &*&*&*&*`s
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453 About BW, the way to solve the problem is not to complain about it, but rather
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454 to do somthing about it. I'm currently between apartments, and am limited on
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455 my bbsing time. So I can't see myself contributing much in the story area
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456 for awhile.
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457
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458 An Astral Dreamer
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459 &*&*&*&*'s
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460
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026=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 09/13/89 16:30 Msg:4348 Call:23926 Lines:6
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461 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | It's only 5:30 and I'm tireddddddddddddddd
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462
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463 Reality is questionable, only imagination is definate.
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464
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465 KKKKurfur Redlig | I must have had fun last night, but I can't rememberrr
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466
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027=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 09/13/89 19:30 Msg:4349 Call:23929 Lines:8
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467
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468 FLASH!
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469
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470 BACKWATER INVADED BY INANE REPORTERS!
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471
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472 NUCLEAR WAR BEGINS AT 6:00 PM TODAY!
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473
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474 FILM AT 11:00!
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028=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/13/89 21:47 Msg:4350 Call:23933 Lines:129
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475 &*&*&*&*'s
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476 Well, I thought I'd do somthing about the dirth of stories here on backwater.
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477 What follows is a first draft of a short story that just sort of wrote
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478 itself. Comments will be greatly appreciated.
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479 You can't always be sure of the things you say. Somtimes even the
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480 The most well respected fact will turn out to be wrong. Take for instance
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481 last Saturday. I was sitting on a barstool down at Ernies. Don't get the
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482 idea that I go there often, because I don't. I just happened to be there.
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483 It was the ussual crowd, Only the lonely frequent these halls. Not that that
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484 is altogether bad. Lonely people can have some of the most interesting stories
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485 to tell.
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486
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487 So I sat there, waiting for somthing to happen. Not expecting it, just
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488 waiting. I waited till near closing. Then when I'd almost given up hope
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489 it happened.
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490
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491 Ahm, She walked in... No, nothing as cliche' as that. It was actually
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492 a largish grey rat. It came running from behind the bar, and almost
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493 imediatly I could hear Ernie cursing and calling after it. "Jennings
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494 you swine, get back here and into your cage."
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495
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496 Jennings? Who names a rat Jennings and sticks it in a
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497 cage behind a bar? I hadn't thought Ernie anywhere near that imaginative.
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498
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499 The rat wasn't buying it. He just kept running. Looked like the front
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500 door was his destination. I layed my money down on the table and got out
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501 just behind him, with Ernie on my heels. It was dark, and most of the cars had
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502 left the parking lot. I only lived a block or so away, so a car was the least
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503 of my wories. Ernie had ran passed me and was yelling at the top of his
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504 lungs in alternite directions. "Jennings! You scoundrel! Get back here!"
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505 He kept it up for the better part of an hour. The cops came out twice, and
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506 the second time they carted him off. The patrons had been taking care of
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507 the bar during the owners little 'illness'.
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508
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509 I walked behind the counter and checked the till. It looked like
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510 somebody had been sober enough to recognize the possibilities there. That
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511 meant there was no percentage in it for me, atleast from that angle. So
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512 I grabbed a couple of crackers from the bar and went outside. Being in front
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513 of Ernie I had seen a bit more. So I walked over to the Dumpster and dropped
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514 a cracker. "Ok Jennings you can come out now, he's gone."
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515
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516 "Not bloody likely. I don't even know you."
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517
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518 "So, do you want to sit under that trashcan for the rest of your days
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519 or do you want come out and talk business." Silence, or the closest thing
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520 you can get to it in the big city. "Look, We can do this easy, or we can
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521 do it hard. So make it easy on both of us and come out."
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522
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523 "Say I did, whats in it for me?"
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524
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525 I smiled, my hunch had been correct. "Depends on the circumstances."
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526
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527 "Such as?"
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528
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529 "How did you happen to become a rat in a cage in the back of the
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530 bar at Ernies."
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531
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532 "Oh, that. Well, you know how it is. I had a bad day."
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533
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534 "Do tell."
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535
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536 "You really want to hear this?"
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537
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538 "Yes."
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539
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540 "Well, I used to be a cockerspanial. Then one day I woke up as a rat.
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541 That was a bit of a shock. Especialy since I'd been curled up next to
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542 Solips, the family cat. Luckily I managed to get out of there before he
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543 noticed me. Out the cat door and into the street. I've been running ever
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544 since."
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545
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546 "And before that?"
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547
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548 "I was one of those big sea turtles. A fun life, and not to bad if you
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549 know how to avoid the pitfalls. had to be carefull though, speed wasn't
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550 my strong point back then."
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551
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552 It was all starting to make sense to me. All that was left was arranging
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553 payment. "I'll bet you started life out as a human?"
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554
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555 "Yep, near as I can figure it I started life out as a tinker in medieval
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556 England."
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557
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558 "And did a brass ring come into your possesion a short time before
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559 these problems started?"
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560
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561 "Let me thing... Could have been, it's been a century or two you know."
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562
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563 "Well then, I think I can solve your problem. All I want is the ring."
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564
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565 "Your welcome to it, if I have it and if you can get to it."
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566
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567 "Good, are you going to come out from under there now?"
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568
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569 "Oh sure."
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570
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571 Out he waddled, one of the biggest rats I had ever seen. He looked up
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572 at me in anticipation. "Well?"
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573
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574 "One last question, why were you in that cage?"
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575
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576 "Ernie caught me mumbling to myself in his storage room. had me netted
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577 before I knew what was happening."
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578
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579 I could believe Ernie had had the oppurtunity to develope such skills.
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580 I pulled the wand from the inner pocket of my coat. Mumbled the words to
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581 the unbinding and stood back. The spot that had held the rat a moment
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582 before now held a short brown haired man dressed in the clothes of
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583 a medieval merchant. And on the ring finger of his left had was a brass
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584 ring. "Hurry, and give me the ring."
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585
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586 "No problem, happy to be rid of it." He replied. He took it from his
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587 finger and handed it to me. This was going to be well worth my trouble,
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588 I'd recovered one of my earlier devices and saved myself a finders fee.
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589
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590 "Now all I have to do is figure out how to make a living."
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591
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592 "You shouldn't have any problems with that. Theres always work available
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593 for a craftsman, even today." I placed the wand back in its hiding place
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594 and stuck the ring in another of my many pockets and bid him farewell.
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595 "Yes," I thought. "Still work for craftsman."
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596
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597
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598 This is the first thing I've written since last march. Some of you will
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599 understand that date. I'm hoping I'll be able to keep it up.
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600
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601 An Astral Dreamer
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602 &*&*&*&*'s
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603
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604 696969696969
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605 APn 09/12/89 By HARRY F. ROSENTHAL Associated Press Writer
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606 WASHINGTON (AP) -- Anti-nuclear activists today protested the launch next
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607 month of a nuclear-powered space probe, but administration officials say
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608 President Bush will not block the flight.
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609 The president is expected by next week to authorize the use of a 48-pound
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610 nuclear generator to provide electrical power for the Galileo spacecraft,
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611 scheduled for launch to Jupiter from the shuttle Atlantis on Oct. 12.
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612 The nuclear powerplant is similar to the one the Voyager 2 spacecraft used s
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613 successfully on its 12-year journey to Neptune and beyond, and on 21 other spac
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614 devices. But protesters worry about a release of radioactivity should the
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615 Atlantis have an accident similar to the one that destroyed Challenger.
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616 A recent safety analysis by the National Aeronautics and Space Administratio
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617 concluded, "the probability of an accident resulting in a release of plutonium
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618 ranges from 1-in-2,500 to 1-in-2 million and any release from these low
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619 probability events would be very small."
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620 About a half dozen sign-carrying protesters stood outside NASA's national
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621 headquarters today, passing out a flyer that said, "Keep Project Galileo's
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622 plutonium on the ground."
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623 One sign said, "If Galileo explodes, kiss Florida goodbye," and another said
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624 "One pound of plutonium could kill every person on Earth." The demonstrators
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625 represented the Maryland Safe Energy Coalition, which is headquartered in
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626 Columbia, Md.
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627 This weekend, a group called the Florida Coalition for Peace and Justice,
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628 says it will begin a 200-mile "peace walk" from Cape Canaveral to Kings Bay,
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629 Ga., to protest both the Galileo probe and the Trident missile program.
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630 A spokesman said the walk will be completed Oct. 8 and the protesters will
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631 return in time for the Atlantis launch.
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632 "We are going to attempt to enter the launch area and sit on the launch pad"
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633 to halt the October launch, said Bruce Gagnon of Orlando, leader of the Florida
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634 group which has staged past demonstrations against Trident launches.
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635 King's Bay is where the Trident is flight tested.
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636 A lawyer for the Christic Institute, Larry Sinkin, said the group will file
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637 suit in federal court later this month to stop the Atlantis launch, citing amon
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638 its reasons "the very poor record NASA has of estimating risks" and "the
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639 reliability of the shuttle itself."
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640 The president's science advisers are studying risk assessments of the launch
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641 and a separate safety evaluation, Thomas P. Rona, deputy director of the White
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642 House Office of Science and Technology Policy, said Monday.
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643 An administration source who spoke on condition of anonymity, asked if the
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644 Galileo launch will be approved, replied "certainly."
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645 Rona declined to say what the recommendation to Bush will be but said "every
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646 possible design precaution has been taken. ... My personal opinion is that the
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647 shuttle is far more reliable now than before."
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648 Elizabeth Prestridge, spokeswoman for the National Space Council which is
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649 chaired by Vice President Dan Quayle, said the staff considers the Galileo prob
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650 safe. And a congressional source said there is no doubt the president will allo
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651 the launch.
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652 The review process, which makes White House approval mandatory before nuclea
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653 iotopes can be launched into space, has been in effect since 1977.
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654 The nuclear devices are called RTGs, for radioisotope thermoelectric
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655 generators. They have never caused a spacecraft failure, although three of the
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656 22 have been involved in space mission accidents with no release of plutonium.
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657 Galileo will be the first spacecraft to orbit Jupiter and it will insert a
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658 probe into the atmosphere to investigate thick cloud layers covering the huge
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659 planet. The trip is a complicated one in which the spacecraft will twice return
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660 near Earth for gravity boosts to gain necessary velocity to reach Jupiter in
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661 1995.
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662 Would YOU risk the life of EVERY PERSON on earth with 1 in 2500 odds?
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663
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664 Nomination for the "Ten Best Censored Stories of 1987"
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665
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666 PROJECT GALILEO SHUTTLE TO CARRY LETHAL PLUTONIUM
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667
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668 Despite scientific warnings of a possible disaster, NASA is
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669 pursuing plans to launch the Project Galileo shuttle space probe which
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670 will carry enough plutonium to kill every person on earth.
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671 Theoretically, one pound of polutonium, uniformly distributed,
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672 has the potential to give everyone on the planet a fatal case of lung
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673 cancer. Galileo will have 49.25 pounds of plutonium on board, most of
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674 it plutonium 238, a radioisotope 300 times more radioactive than the
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675 one used as fuel for atomic bombs.
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676 Critics of the plan, such as Dr. John Gofman, professor of
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677 medical physics at the University of California, Berkeley, and Michio
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678 Kaku, professor of nuclear physics at the City University of New York
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679 claim that putting Galileo's plutonium payload into space is both
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680 risky and unnecessary.
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681 The plutonium will be used to fuel "radioisotope thermoelectric
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682 generators" which keep instrumentation warm. Although NASA and the
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683 DOE say there are no alternatives, professor Kaku asserts that the
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684 latest advances in solar cells make it possible to generate solar
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685 electricity even as far away as Jupiter, Galileo's destination.
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686 NASA downplays the possibility of the release of plutonim in an
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687 accident, stressing that the substance will be encapsulated in "clads"
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688 made from iridium alloy in a graphite shell. The DOE contends that
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689 clads can withstand explosive pressures up to 2,200 pounds per square
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690 inch. However, a DOE safety analysis report on the Galileo mission
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691 obtained under FOIA states that from the viewpoint of potential
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692 nuclear fuel release, the most critical accidents would occur on the
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693 launch pad. Launch pad accident scenarios, such as "tipovers" and
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694 "pushovers" are estimated to generate explosive pressures as high as
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695 19,600 psi.
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696 Once in space, Galileo is still potentially danglerous. Since
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697 the solid-fuel rocket substituted for the highly volatile liquid-fuel
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698 Centaur rocket used in the Challenger does not have the power of the
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699 Centaur, NASA devised a plan to use the earth's gravitational pull to
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700 increase the rocket's momentum sufficiently to reach Jupiter. During
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701 the "flyby" orbits around the earth, Galileo would at times be only
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702 277 miles overhead. A 1987 NASA report estimates the chance of
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703 Galileo inadvertently reentering the earth's atmosphere to be less
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704 than one in a million, and, as such, an accident scenario is deemed
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705 not credible.
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706 NASA set the probability figures for the chance of a shuttle
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707 accident at one in 100,000 for thhe Challenger. Investigation
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708 following the crash put the figure at closer to one in 25.
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709 While "The Lethal Shuttle: Plutonium Payload Scheduled" was one
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710 of the top 10 overlooked stories cited by Project Censored in 1986,
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711 the continued failure of the media to draw attention to the potential
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712 risk of Project Galileo fully warrants its renomination for 1987.
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713
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714 SOURCES: THE NATION, 1/23/88, "The Space Probe's Lethal Cargo,"
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715 by Karl Grossman;, pp 1, 78; L.A. TIMES, 2/6/86.
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716
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717 okay, Is it 1 chance in 2500, or 1 chance in 25 of a shuttle disaster?
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718 Doesn't really matter much when we're all gasping for air with failing lungs.
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719 While I'm all for space exploration, and loved the Voyager revelations, it
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720 seems that this is an unneccessary risk, since there ARE alternatives. Just
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721 another way of dealing with the drug problem, and all other problems too. No
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722 more worrying about the national debt for old George, he'll be in his bunker
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723 with all the other wealthy Republicans, counting their HUD money, snorting
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724 Noriega's cocaine, and laughing at all us poor, dead, suckers.
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725 YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK.
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726
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727 696969696969696969
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728
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729 sleep well tonight. Dan Quayle is next in line....
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730
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731 {}
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732
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733 Pathetic.
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734
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735 Choose: NO CREDIT or LOVE. Which means more to you?
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736
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737 Who is worse: the liberal, moderate or conservative Democrats, or
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738 the liberal, moderate or conservative Republicans?
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739
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740 How do you judge a person: by their physical appearence, by
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741 their emotional capacity, by their intelligence and brilliance, or
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742 by the morals and laws of institutions? Or would you rather
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743 prefer situational ethics to this?
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744 or
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745 by that dim but persistent
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746 image of him/her, hiding behind all of this, the same image you hae
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747 had all of your life - the ideal mate? Is a person worth something
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748 in terms of your values? Are they worth something in terms of
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749 their capacity to be human and their actions as so?
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750
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751 Do you hate landsharks around Portland? You've met them at least
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752 once - the slick new car salesperson, the behind-the-counter attendant,
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753 thBMW next to you at the light with the suit'n'shades...
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754 Do you pity them?
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755 Do you try to teach or communicate with them?
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756 Do you ignore them?
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757
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758 Before the flames of the board engluf me and turn me into
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759 Texas Style Bar - B - Que, consider that I too have felt all of the
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760 above, at least once in my life. I do not sport a "correct" answer,
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761 in fact, I'm not so sure there is an answer, but it seems there is
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762 a Solution or Path to follow - that is, a course of action that should
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763 be continued but not placed as the Final Result. Pain is both real and
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764 imagined. This last sentence is True to me - DO NOT ATTEMPT TO TELL
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765 ME OTHERWISE - for you are not me, and have not experienced the different
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766 effects of this. After a lecture on the concept of reality, I had a
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767 splitting headache that, reguardless of my actions or what I concentrated
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768 on, would NOT GO AWAY. I asked my instructor, "if what you're saying is
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769 true, then I should be able to make my headache disappear." "Well,
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770 yes, something like that..." he replied. So I closed my eyes, and told
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771 myself that the headache did not exist 3 times. By the third time, my
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772 headache DISAPPEARED completely, and did not return, no matter how many
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773 times I tried to re-evaluate the lecture that started it. From
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774 that day forth, I understood but did not realize the concept of
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775 self-fulfilling prophicies and self-programming. Only now, two
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776 years later, have I begun to search for this skill again. And you
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777 think me not to be in contact with reality? Sometimes I wonder about
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778 the world. I wonder what would happen if the 80% that had not suddenly
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779 sealed off the 20% that did have, buy "doing their own thing"; starting
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780 a new economy and ethical system, and bartering and understanding and
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781 helping each other, instead of SERVING. ometimes I become so sick
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782 from the menial job that I have that I have to call in sick for a day
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783 to escape the pain - data entry is certainly the "Sweatshop" job of the time -
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784 and I ponder about how I could escape from this, and become
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785 non-dependent without hurting others.
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786
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787 I must not despair - that is the one thing that we are actually
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788 Taught to do. I promised that my future child WILL NOT SUFFER from
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789 the conditioning and enslavement of the public education system -
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790 which I also understand from my years of living with my father, an
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791 Art teacher and Union President (ag! yech!) - is their hope?
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792 Am I truely alone, in a world of insane and damaged people who
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793 would rather hurt others than to help themselves heal?
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794
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795 Or is my schizophrenic writing simply a "soft-centered approach"?
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796
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797 Hagbard Celine
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798
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799 {}
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800
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801 {}
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802
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803 As I said earlier, and I say now (about my last entry)
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804
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805 pathetic.
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806
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807 H. Celine
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808
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809 {}
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810
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033=Usr:286 Jeff Marten 09/14/89 01:47 Msg:4355 Call:23941 Lines:28
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811
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812
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813 {+}{+}{+}{+}
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814
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815 Reptiles make enriching pets.
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816 I have a pair of South American Anoles in a fish tank in my
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817 living room; average sized chameleons that can almost glow a
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818 fluorescent green if they want to.
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819
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820 Stare into the face a lizard for a while, late at night, and
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821 you can almost hear the far away ticking of evolutionary
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822 clockwork.
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823
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824 Right now an arrogant, high strung breed of large-brained,
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825 hairless monkey thinks its ruling the earth, but Things Used To
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826 Be Different...and they could be again. Reptiles used to rule
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827 the earth too, but it didn't last.
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828 7
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829 The lizards in my fish tank are a dumb and mute reminder that
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830 no beast stays at the top of the food chain forever.
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831
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832 -+|[ ThingFish ]|+-
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833 You Ain't Nothin' But A Reptile - Slimin' All The Time...
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834
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835
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836 {+}{+}{+}{+}
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837
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838
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034=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 09/14/89 16:15 Msg:4356 Call:23958 Lines:1
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839 AND AMERICA MARCHES ON!
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035=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/14/89 19:57 Msg:4357 Call:23963 Lines:7
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840 &*&*&*&*'s
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841 Not much action tonight. Where's the BBS party? Or I suppose this could just
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842 be one of those cosmic lulls hinted at by the magic of fractals.
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843
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844 An Astral Dreamer
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845 &*&*&*&*'s
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846
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036=Usr:379 Phoenix Polymorp 09/14/89 20:06 Msg:4358 Call:23964 Lines:9
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847 THIS IS WORLD WATCH THREE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>14-SEP-89
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848
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849 VOTED TOP CENSORED STORY AT NETWORK ZERO
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850
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851
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852 For world watch three, I'm Phoenix Polymorph
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853 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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854 ^p
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855
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037=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 09/14/89 20:53 Msg:4359 Call:23965 Lines:21
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856 KKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Hmmmm. Project Galileo huh
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??????????????????
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857
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858 Personally, the prospect of every living thing on the planet being
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859 wiped out doesn't seem to bother me. I mean, once it's happened, it
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860 won't really bother us much since we'd all be dead, and there won't be
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861 much we'll be able to do about it anyways. Besides, I think the only
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862 nuclear explosion capable of wiping out all life is one sheathed in
|
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863 cobalt. We've had a lot more plutonium massed together before and
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864 exploded it (remember Nagasaki history buffs?) and it didn't affect
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865 the whole planet very much (although it was a bit of an inconvenience
|
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866 for the Japanese it killed). One pound of plutonium may be able to
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867 kill all life on the planet, but not when it is exploding, and you'd
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868 have to distribute it pretty widely too.
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869
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870 Besides, who needs Florida anyhow? After all, it's only an extension
|
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871 of Disney-World.
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872
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873 KKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Eat, Drink, and Be Merry etc....................
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876
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038=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/15/89 15:15 Msg:4360 Call:23976 Lines:8
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877 &*&*&*&*'s
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878 The whole thing sous rather like a case of quoting out of context.
|
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879 Besides, if we don't get off of this plat in the next 100 years we'll all
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880 be dead anyways. (The human race that is.)
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881
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882 An Astral Dreamer
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883 &*&*&*&*'s
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884
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039=Usr:29 The Bard 09/15/89 20:26 Msg:4361 Call:23982 Lines:19
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885 As for the RTG's on Galileo, similar units were used to power the instrument
|
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886 packages that the Apollo missions left on the moon. Remember Apollo 13? It had
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887 one aboard. When the astronauts abandoned the LM, the RTG was still aboard.
|
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888 Measurement taken after the mission indicate that the RTG must have survived
|
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889 reentry intact. So much for the risks when Galileo makes it's swings past
|
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890 here on its way to Jupiter.
|
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891 It's also fairly certain that even in a Challenger type accident the RTG would
|
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892 survive intact. And even if it *did* break open, the stuff wouldn't spread far.
|
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893 Finally, statements like "evenly distibuted one pound of plutonium could kill
|
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894 everyone on earth" *less* truthful than a statement such as "properly
|
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895 distibuted, one man's ejaculation could get every woman on earth pregnant".
|
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896 That's the kind of spreading around they are talking about. And the dosage they
|
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897 are calling *lethal* is based on taking an *old* figure for ALLOWABLE YEARLY
|
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898 INDUSTRIAL EXPOSURE and calling that "lethal".
|
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899 In short, these people are fear-mongering zealots who won't let mere facts
|
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900 interfere with their holy crusade against anything with the word "nuclear"
|
|
901 in it.
|
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902 Bah!
|
|
903 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~BARD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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040=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 09/15/89 21:06 Msg:4362 Call:23984 Lines:5
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904
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905
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906 Nuke 'em till they glow, and then shoot 'em in the DARK!
|
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907@The end on one century... The beginning of a new one.
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908
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041=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 09/15/89 22:00 Msg:4363 Call:23985 Lines:14
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909 /*/*/*/*/*/*/*
|
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910 Astral: I think the B52's 1986 album was called "Bouncing Off the
|
|
911 Satellites". They also made a single for the soundtrack to
|
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912 "Earth Girls are Easy" called "Shake That Cosmic Thing" - is
|
|
913 is this the same as the title track to the new album???
|
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914
|
|
915 "It makes me mad when I go to all the trouble of having Marta cook up
|
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916 about a hundred drumsticks, then the guy at Marineland says, 'You
|
|
917 can't throw that chicken to the dolphins. They eat fish.'
|
|
918 Sure they eat fish, if that's all you ever give them! _
|
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919 Man, wise up." /#)
|
|
920 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/
|
|
921 / ~~~ ~~~ \/
|
|
922 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\
|
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|
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923 &*&*&*&*'s
|
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924 Thanks swob. I bought a book yesterday that has stuff about
|
|
925 alternate bands and it has al sorts of interesting things about groups like
|
|
926 the B52's, REM, Pylon, Blondie, The GO GO`s etc ad infinitum. (Well maybe
|
|
927 not infinitum.) The B52's 1986 album is indeed called Bouncing off the
|
|
928 Satellites." Kind of apt in light of the current debate. :-)
|
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929
|
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930 An Astral Dreamer
|
|
931 &*&*&*&*'s
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932
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043=Usr:4 Milchar 09/16/89 00:59 Msg:4365 Call:23990 Lines:13
|
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933 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|
|
934 Use solar power at Jupiter? Hold it a minute. Solar power might suffice
|
|
935 for *some* equipment at Earth distance, but we're talking about light
|
|
936 energy at Jupiter- does the phrase 'inverse-square law' mean anything to
|
|
937 you? I don't remember the distance figures for Jupiter at the moment, but
|
|
938 I'm betting heavy money that the light flux at Jupiter would be less than
|
|
939 1/4th that at Earth distance. Perhaps the equipment on Galileo takes a
|
|
940 wee bit more energy to power than that on Voyager? Granted, this is an
|
|
941 off-the-cuff estimate of power needs and light availability, but even so
|
|
942 I canna see where else you're gonna get that much power, Captain.
|
|
943 Does anyone have concrete figures on Solar cell efficiency, and distance
|
|
944 figures for Jupiter? Solar flux at Earth and Jupiter orbits?
|
|
945 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch ++++++++++++++++ my $0.02 ++++++++++
|
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044=Usr:286 Jeff Marten 09/16/89 03:44 Msg:4366 Call:23993 Lines:42
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946
|
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947
|
|
948 {+}{+}{+}{+}
|
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949
|
|
950 In case you missed them kids: here are the
|
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951
|
|
952 Top Ten Reasons Exxon Is Leaving Alaska
|
|
953 DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
|
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954
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955
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956 10) Sometimes had to drive miles to find a Liquor Store
|
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957
|
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958 9) Planning a big oil spill off of California
|
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959
|
|
960 8) Going to start the really big job of cleaning up Exxon
|
|
961 station restrooms
|
|
962
|
|
963 7) Somebody thought they saw Bigfoot
|
|
964
|
|
965 6) Just got contract to take off Tammy Bakker's makeup
|
|
966
|
|
967 5) Decided that black gunk covering coastline and wildlife
|
|
968 actually looks kind of cool
|
|
969
|
|
970 4) Big party this weekend at Captain Hazelwood's
|
|
971
|
|
972 3) Wanted to be there to give Zsa Zsa all the support she
|
|
973 needs
|
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974
|
|
975 2) Time to face the fact that Batman isn't going to answer
|
|
976 the Bat Signal
|
|
977
|
|
978 1) Have to move on to screw up bigger and better things
|
|
979
|
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980
|
|
981 -+|[ ThingFish ]|+-
|
|
982 I'm Here To Help
|
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983
|
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984
|
|
985
|
|
986 {+}{+}{+}{+}
|
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987
|
|
045=Usr:393 Byron O'Brien 09/16/89 12:06 Msg:4367 Call:23995 Lines:9
|
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988 ]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[
|
|
989 V - V ^V
|
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990 _ 2 1
|
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991 a = ------- = --
|
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992 t - t ^t
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993 2 1
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994
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995 (Could you ask for more? Really?)
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996 ]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[
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046=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/16/89 13:26 Msg:4368 Call:23997 Lines:3
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997 Just filling the disk.
|
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998 One more line.
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999 And we're through!
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